People who call others "king" and "queen"

WHO CARES

They're doing it with that dead guy from the Marvel movies. Calling him king in tributes and shit. Stupid.

Why does it matter?

Yaaaas, queen.

ABC called their special on Boseman A Tribute for a King. I think it's a bit of a stretch.

If that ugly british family can be called that I don't see why the rest of us can't

Because the BRF worked at it for a thousand years R6.

Is being called "king" goals?

It's dumb...like people calling themselves "badasses."

I mainly hear among my African American acquaintances. It grates on my ears. I'm biracial and grew up with Dukes and Princesses, but this is different.

I think it's self-valuation and also a desire to acquire some of the cachet observed in white society, without interest in the traditions behind "ennoblement" or such. Rather like how so many black churches now have bishops and archbishops for congregations that are not part of sects in which such titles traditionally fit. The hierarchy and structures are not there, but a one-off unaffiliated church will have an archbishop for a pastor, not just "The Reverend."

The use of the terms in a (in theory, anyway) democratic republic is what what it feel "off" to me - but maybe Disney has contributed to things. It's just how my ear hears it.

But people can take it seriously. Like the way Aretha Franklin took her Queen of Soul title seriously enough that she did not like people dubbing Glady Knight as the Empress of Soul.

But if I'm called a queen I don't mind - all in the hearer, I guess.

I always laugh at couples who do this because they are always the most disfunctional. I used to know this woman Who had matching king and queen rings with her man. Obviously they’re no longer together.

[quote]ABC called their special on Boseman A Tribute for a King. I think it's a bit of a stretch.

Well in his most famous role he played one so that makes a bit more sense, doesn't it?

[quote]I mainly hear among my African American acquaintances. It grates on my ears. I'm biracial and grew up with Dukes and Princesses, but this is different.

I hear white gay men say this all the time.

But acting like it's brand new is silly. It has been around as a positive comment towards someone else for actual decades. "You're a King!", "He's a prince among men!", "You're my Queen!", etc.

The only ting that's "new" is young people saying it.

[quote]I think it's self-valuation and also a desire to acquire some of the cachet observed in white society, without interest in the traditions behind "ennoblement" or such.

I don't think when teens use it they're thinking that deeply about it and once again it's not just black people who say it.

However, calling people they like "Mom" and "Dad" is a whole other story. That is just weird.

Well would you prefer everyone calling each other "boss"? Or are we leaving that in the 2010s.

it's an # alounge thing

R12 isn't hearing what the OP is describing.

Right, Mom?

[Quote]Because the BRF worked at it for a thousand years [R6].

Oh spare me. The chronicled royalty were the mafia and street gangs of their era.

It’s a momentary propping-up, a sort of self-soothing delusion. None of us are “Royal”.

When everybody is a king and a queen, then nobody is king or queen.

Harmless, wishful thinking.

Racial division thread. Ignore.

King, this ain't it.

My four year old niece addresses everyone as "Your Majesty." Does that count?

A lot of black escorts call themselves "prince" or "king". Not sure why

"Every man a king, but no one wears a crown." - Huey Long

I get the use of it inside the Black community as a sign of respect.

But there's a weird use of it now with gay men, especially "king."

Relax, King!

Over exaggerating Trash.

It depends on who's calling me a queen. And it's always a queen regnant. Never a consort.

If people say it seriously it really puts me off. Like shop workers calling me 'boss' or 'mate'.

Drag her, Jade!

Can we also file the phrase “‘Preciate you!” under this same grievance please?

I've never heard it said OP.

OP In this day and age there are many pharmaceuticals that can help you live a normal life.

R30 Have a blessed day

I just want to say I have primarily heard white trash use king and queen so I don’t get how this is a racist thread.

Weak people who need status to feel like worthy human beings. People who use this the most are also the most insecure.

And VAIN^^

Verbal equivalent of a participation trophy and is overcompensation. Seems harmless enough though, especially if the end results are positive.

I think Beyoncé started the trend when she referred to herself as “King Bey” in 2013. That’s all I got.

Now, the idea that we (Black people) descended from royalty isn't an uncommon one. It's a popular reference, found in countless songs, texts, and speeches as an understandably empowering juxtaposition to how Black Americans have historically been portrayed here. So popular is this reference, in fact, that many of us use "king" and "queen" as pronouns. It also has some historical merit, because there were actually kingdoms with kings and queens and unfathomable wealth. But this — both the reference to descending from kings and queens and being referred to as "king" — has always (always!) bothered the piss out of me. Why? Well, because that's not how kingdoms work!

If you're from a place where kings and queens existed, there's a small chance you actually directly descended from them. And a much, much, much, much, much, much, much larger chance you descended from people who were ruled by them. And, if history is any guide, if you happen to be from a place with an unfathomably wealthy ruling class, that unfathomable wealth most likely ended with the ruling class. Everyone else was either some version of middle class (not very likely) or a peasant (very likely). For Nas's line to be accurate, it would have to be amended to "Be, be, 'fore we came to this country. We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys. Well, like four of us were kings and queens. The rest of us tended goats and shit. I mean, there's nothing wrong with tending goats. Goat tending is a very honorable profession. But we were totally goat tenders, not kings and queens. Except for four of us."

I'm triggered by such royal appropriation.

We see no problem with it, in moderation.

R39 Why are you making this thread all about Black people? No one ever said "Black people.." in this thread at all. You are projecting your insecurities onto us. Go away.

R42 Well, who said it should be only be about white people?

OP, do you live in Atlanta?

R43 No one SAID that it should ONLY be for white people, either. Stop moving the goal posts and projecting your racist self-hatred onto the DL.

We love to see it.

Calm down, R45. The thread is about ANYONE who uses the expression. It’s equally sillly regardless of race.

I've lived all over the country, and I've never heard anyone refer to someone else as King, and never heard the word Queen used, except in the context of a mincing faggot. Where are you hearing this, OP, while you're sleeping?

Yes, R47, but the overt implication at R39 is that king and queen are Black terms used by Black people only, therefore this thread is about Black people. That is the obvious overt racial implication deduced using basic reading comprehension. Stop acting like you don't know what I'm talking about or what R39 said.

Exactly R49. They always act dumb. And I've always only heard the phrases King and Queen used by black people.

White people are mad when black people refer to each other using the "N" Word, or referring to women as Bitches and Hoes, and now their mad about black people endearingly refer to each other as Royalty. Why do they care so much what black people say to each other? They really enjoy policing black people no matter what, they have to have input some kind of way.

Toxic people with no end in sight.

R50 Black people get angry about the N word, not white people. No one can even write the N word without being socially and politically excoriated as racists for even daring to utter it, least of the oppressive white race. Does any other racial slur carry so much historical and cultural weight over communication in the English language and in the collective unconscious of the West than the oft-referred to "N" word? A word that can only be referred to by its first letter. Does any other race other than Black hold such cultural dominion over a word, six neutral letters that, when strung together, hold such sway over the supposedly "oppressive" dominant cultural lexicon? No. I don't think that such a word, a racial slur, would be able to hold such emotionally-charged control over an oppressive dominant culture. An oppressive dominant culture wouldn't fire people from their jobs for saying the N word, or expel students from their schools for saying the N word in a video. An oppressive doesn't care about their subjects, so why do white people with the lower case w care so much about what the Black people with a capital B think and feel?

Can you help me answer this question? Looking for teachable moments here.

R51 It is kind of interesting that the word is never written nor spoken in news accounts but is tossed around casually in pop songs, comedy bits, etc.

R52 The word you're thinking of is n*gga, a 5 letter word. You know which one I'm referring to.

"Queen" is a long-running term of endearment in Liverpool

R51 They are the same, no?

R55 If they're the same, why aren't they used more often, interchangeably?

Reading many of the responses in this thread that has turned into, of course, a race thread

R56 Honestly, I thought both were offensive and never printed.

R58 but one is used often while the other is not. That's the point of R51: the power that it has over oppressives who don't care, somehow. Oppressives who care enough to punish anyone who uses it with the loss of financial security and social stature for years to come? What implications of powerful social currency it has.

I prefer prime minister.

Outdated Black terminology frequently used by gay white men trying to seem hipper than they are.

[quote] R48 I've lived all over the country, and I've never heard anyone refer to someone else as King, and never heard the word Queen used, except in the context of a mincing faggot. Where are you hearing this, OP, while you're sleeping?

In social media posts, as OP stated

R59 I cannot think of any other such word. It used to be you couldn’t say or write “cunt” but Game of Thrones put paid to that.

R63 People in the UK have been saying cunt forever. The N word will never be said, unless you have a powerful Black man's approval, like Samuel L. Jackson.

The Context Of A Mincing Faggot sounds like the title of Harvey Fierstein's memoir.

And you'll never get any reprisals for saying faggot, R65

Yes, it’s mostly used by black people, as far as I know. To each their own.

I find “rest in power” equally dumb.

As a gay man I don't appreciate being called a queen.

[quote]People who call others "king" and "queen"

[quote]Yes, it’s mostly used by black people, as far as I know. To each their own.

R67Are black people different from "people"?

At the risk of being flamed I will mention an expression that actually is used only by black people (in my experience): “The ancestors got your/my back.” What does this mean? It seems nonsensical but maybe I am missing the point.

Beyoncé refers to it in “Black Parade:” “Ancestors put me on game.”

It made me think, I have no idea who my ancestors are. I need to buy one of those DNA kits.

I suspect that the more socially marginalized one is, the greater the tendency to use terms such as "King" "Queen" and "Rest in Power" to feel better about themselves.

R69 don’t try to stir shit.

R72 I'm not "trying to stir shit", I found the comment ignorant.

Also - I haven't noticed that the use of king and queen is used more by black people. If your friend posts a particularly great picture to instagram you respond "King". Not hard to figure out why. It's not about being socially marginalized.

I use it in an ironic tone for things, such as when Dua Lipa says "should have stayed at home" or "don't go out", I like to yell QUEEN OF QUARANTINE.

And I am Marie of Romania.

Kamala Harris called Brandy and Monica queens during their verzuz yesterday!

People can say whatever they want and I'll do the same. That's how it works people.

Is your name Aretha Franklin, Elizabeth Windsor, RuPaul or Letizia of Spain?

Then no one should be calling you Queen.

I think it’s absurd, morganatic baroness.

White people are bland as fuck. They really don't get or understand nor are they supposed to understand, black cultural references. It's not for white society to understand, that why most of you don't get it.

And it definitely has nothing at all to do with being marginalized and making yourself feel better. It's just cultural sayings that exist within a group of people who share pretty much the same ancestry.

I think white society should stop messing with things that was never intended for them. Everything isn't meant to be white washed and understood my the oppressive white savages of society.

R81 I don’t think anyone is confused by it, just that they think it’s silly.

I’d still like to know what the Ancestors phrase means.

[quote] White people are bland as fuck.

Yet black people are the ones with babytastes. How ironic.

This Queen didn't come from Africa . She's an Indigenous Queen.

She states her boundaries. No-one has privilege over her!

It's 2020. White Privilge is Ovah.

Why, white people do this ALL the time, OP!

Laura Bush to W.: "Don't worry about speaking to the Amarillo League of Women Voters tonight--you've got this, [italic]King![/italic]"

[quote] My four year old niece addresses everyone as "Your Majesty." Does that count?

Everyone addresses my child as "Jermajesty." Does [italic]that[/italic] count?

R72 Such an ugly expression! Leave it in the toilet!

This is a genuine king and queen

R86 I can’t stop laughing when I read “Jermajesty.”

r89, you know he really did name his son that.

I think it was Kevin Hart who said, "Look, I'm rich and famous but I bet no white man in this audience wants to be me", Sad but true,

If it makes black people feel better or happy to say King and Queen, for Lord sake let them say it without fucking with them.

Usually when I see King its some black guy on grindr who claims to have a 12" dick and wants you to pay him $300 to even see it or touch it.

White people are completely trash. They really are.

[Quote]People can say whatever they want and I'll do the same. That's how it works people.

Exactly. Some of the posters here are truly disgusting. Look at the ease with which they assume they have the undeniable birth right to monitor and direct the actions and thinking of black people, however, when the same restrictions are imposed on them and their culture, they lunge screaming "homophobia." You really think you are in charge and running the show, don't you?

R95 They are delusional beyond belief.

On a gay men's website, run by and for gay men, gay men think they are running the show?

MARY!, R95!

Not sure why anyone would want be in the same class of people as .

Yes, you're right, R81

Never heard such a thing.