I understand that when someone says something akin to, "You've got this, king!" or "Adjust that crown, queen!" they're trying to be supportive of a fellow human, but I hate this trend and grit my teeth everytime I see it spoken or in a social media post.. What say you, DL?
People who call others "king" and "queen"
|by A simple serf||reply 100||09/16/2020|
|by A simple serf||reply 1||08/30/2020|
They're doing it with that dead guy from the Marvel movies. Calling him king in tributes and shit. Stupid.
|by A simple serf||reply 2||08/30/2020|
Why does it matter?
|by A simple serf||reply 3||08/30/2020|
|by A simple serf||reply 4||08/30/2020|
ABC called their special on Boseman A Tribute for a King. I think it's a bit of a stretch.
|by A simple serf||reply 5||08/30/2020|
If that ugly british family can be called that I don't see why the rest of us can't
|by A simple serf||reply 6||08/30/2020|
Because the BRF worked at it for a thousand years R6.
|by A simple serf||reply 7||08/30/2020|
Is being called "king" goals?
|by A simple serf||reply 8||08/30/2020|
It's dumb...like people calling themselves "badasses."
|by A simple serf||reply 9||08/30/2020|
I mainly hear among my African American acquaintances. It grates on my ears. I'm biracial and grew up with Dukes and Princesses, but this is different.
I think it's self-valuation and also a desire to acquire some of the cachet observed in white society, without interest in the traditions behind "ennoblement" or such. Rather like how so many black churches now have bishops and archbishops for congregations that are not part of sects in which such titles traditionally fit. The hierarchy and structures are not there, but a one-off unaffiliated church will have an archbishop for a pastor, not just "The Reverend."
The use of the terms in a (in theory, anyway) democratic republic is what what it feel "off" to me - but maybe Disney has contributed to things. It's just how my ear hears it.
But people can take it seriously. Like the way Aretha Franklin took her Queen of Soul title seriously enough that she did not like people dubbing Glady Knight as the Empress of Soul.
But if I'm called a queen I don't mind - all in the hearer, I guess.
|by A simple serf||reply 10||08/30/2020|
I always laugh at couples who do this because they are always the most disfunctional. I used to know this woman Who had matching king and queen rings with her man. Obviously they’re no longer together.
|by A simple serf||reply 11||08/30/2020|
[quote]ABC called their special on Boseman A Tribute for a King. I think it's a bit of a stretch.
Well in his most famous role he played one so that makes a bit more sense, doesn't it?
[quote]I mainly hear among my African American acquaintances. It grates on my ears. I'm biracial and grew up with Dukes and Princesses, but this is different.
I hear white gay men say this all the time.
But acting like it's brand new is silly. It has been around as a positive comment towards someone else for actual decades. "You're a King!", "He's a prince among men!", "You're my Queen!", etc.
The only ting that's "new" is young people saying it.
[quote]I think it's self-valuation and also a desire to acquire some of the cachet observed in white society, without interest in the traditions behind "ennoblement" or such.
I don't think when teens use it they're thinking that deeply about it and once again it's not just black people who say it.
However, calling people they like "Mom" and "Dad" is a whole other story. That is just weird.
|by A simple serf||reply 12||08/30/2020|
Well would you prefer everyone calling each other "boss"? Or are we leaving that in the 2010s.
|by A simple serf||reply 13||08/30/2020|
it's an #edwinalounge thing
|by A simple serf||reply 14||08/30/2020|
R12 isn't hearing what the OP is describing.
|by A simple serf||reply 15||08/31/2020|
[Quote]Because the BRF worked at it for a thousand years [R6].
Oh spare me. The chronicled royalty were the mafia and street gangs of their era.
|by A simple serf||reply 16||08/31/2020|
It’s a momentary propping-up, a sort of self-soothing delusion. None of us are “Royal”.
|by A simple serf||reply 17||08/31/2020|
When everybody is a king and a queen, then nobody is king or queen.
|by A simple serf||reply 18||08/31/2020|
Harmless, wishful thinking.
|by A simple serf||reply 19||08/31/2020|
Racial division thread. Ignore.
|by A simple serf||reply 20||08/31/2020|
King, this ain't it.
|by A simple serf||reply 21||08/31/2020|
My four year old niece addresses everyone as "Your Majesty." Does that count?
|by A simple serf||reply 22||08/31/2020|
A lot of black escorts call themselves "prince" or "king". Not sure why
|by A simple serf||reply 23||08/31/2020|
"Every man a king, but no one wears a crown." - Huey Long
|by A simple serf||reply 24||08/31/2020|
I get the use of it inside the Black community as a sign of respect.
But there's a weird use of it now with gay men, especially "king."
|by A simple serf||reply 25||08/31/2020|
|by A simple serf||reply 26||08/31/2020|
Over exaggerating Trash.
|by A simple serf||reply 27||08/31/2020|
It depends on who's calling me a queen. And it's always a queen regnant. Never a consort.
If people say it seriously it really puts me off. Like shop workers calling me 'boss' or 'mate'.
|by A simple serf||reply 28||08/31/2020|
Drag her, Jade!
|by A simple serf||reply 29||08/31/2020|
Can we also file the phrase “‘Preciate you!” under this same grievance please?
|by A simple serf||reply 30||08/31/2020|
I've never heard it said OP.
|by A simple serf||reply 31||08/31/2020|
OP In this day and age there are many pharmaceuticals that can help you live a normal life.
|by A simple serf||reply 32||08/31/2020|
R30 Have a blessed day
|by A simple serf||reply 33||08/31/2020|
I just want to say I have primarily heard white trash use king and queen so I don’t get how this is a racist thread.
|by A simple serf||reply 34||08/31/2020|
Weak people who need status to feel like worthy human beings. People who use this the most are also the most insecure.
|by A simple serf||reply 35||08/31/2020|
|by A simple serf||reply 36||08/31/2020|
Verbal equivalent of a participation trophy and is overcompensation. Seems harmless enough though, especially if the end results are positive.
|by A simple serf||reply 37||08/31/2020|
I think Beyoncé started the trend when she referred to herself as “King Bey” in 2013. That’s all I got.
|by A simple serf||reply 38||08/31/2020|
Now, the idea that we (Black people) descended from royalty isn't an uncommon one. It's a popular reference, found in countless songs, texts, and speeches as an understandably empowering juxtaposition to how Black Americans have historically been portrayed here. So popular is this reference, in fact, that many of us use "king" and "queen" as pronouns. It also has some historical merit, because there were actually kingdoms with kings and queens and unfathomable wealth. But this — both the reference to descending from kings and queens and being referred to as "king" — has always (always!) bothered the piss out of me. Why? Well, because that's not how kingdoms work!
If you're from a place where kings and queens existed, there's a small chance you actually directly descended from them. And a much, much, much, much, much, much, much larger chance you descended from people who were ruled by them. And, if history is any guide, if you happen to be from a place with an unfathomably wealthy ruling class, that unfathomable wealth most likely ended with the ruling class. Everyone else was either some version of middle class (not very likely) or a peasant (very likely). For Nas's line to be accurate, it would have to be amended to "Be, be, 'fore we came to this country. We were kings and queens, never porch monkeys. Well, like four of us were kings and queens. The rest of us tended goats and shit. I mean, there's nothing wrong with tending goats. Goat tending is a very honorable profession. But we were totally goat tenders, not kings and queens. Except for four of us."
|by A simple serf||reply 39||08/31/2020|
I'm triggered by such royal appropriation.
|by A simple serf||reply 40||08/31/2020|
We see no problem with it, in moderation.
|by A simple serf||reply 41||08/31/2020|
R39 Why are you making this thread all about Black people? No one ever said "Black people.." in this thread at all. You are projecting your insecurities onto us. Go away.
|by A simple serf||reply 42||08/31/2020|
R42 Well, who said it should be only be about white people?
|by A simple serf||reply 43||08/31/2020|
OP, do you live in Atlanta?
|by A simple serf||reply 44||08/31/2020|
R43 No one SAID that it should ONLY be for white people, either. Stop moving the goal posts and projecting your racist self-hatred onto the DL.
|by A simple serf||reply 45||08/31/2020|
We love to see it.
|by A simple serf||reply 46||08/31/2020|
Calm down, R45. The thread is about ANYONE who uses the expression. It’s equally sillly regardless of race.
|by A simple serf||reply 47||08/31/2020|
I've lived all over the country, and I've never heard anyone refer to someone else as King, and never heard the word Queen used, except in the context of a mincing faggot. Where are you hearing this, OP, while you're sleeping?
|by A simple serf||reply 48||08/31/2020|
Yes, R47, but the overt implication at R39 is that king and queen are Black terms used by Black people only, therefore this thread is about Black people. That is the obvious overt racial implication deduced using basic reading comprehension. Stop acting like you don't know what I'm talking about or what R39 said.
|by A simple serf||reply 49||08/31/2020|
Exactly R49. They always act dumb. And I've always only heard the phrases King and Queen used by black people.
White people are mad when black people refer to each other using the "N" Word, or referring to women as Bitches and Hoes, and now their mad about black people endearingly refer to each other as Royalty. Why do they care so much what black people say to each other? They really enjoy policing black people no matter what, they have to have input some kind of way.
Toxic people with no end in sight.
|by A simple serf||reply 50||08/31/2020|
R50 Black people get angry about the N word, not white people. No one can even write the N word without being socially and politically excoriated as racists for even daring to utter it, least of the oppressive white race. Does any other racial slur carry so much historical and cultural weight over communication in the English language and in the collective unconscious of the West than the oft-referred to "N" word? A word that can only be referred to by its first letter. Does any other race other than Black hold such cultural dominion over a word, six neutral letters that, when strung together, hold such sway over the supposedly "oppressive" dominant cultural lexicon? No. I don't think that such a word, a racial slur, would be able to hold such emotionally-charged control over an oppressive dominant culture. An oppressive dominant culture wouldn't fire people from their jobs for saying the N word, or expel students from their schools for saying the N word in a video. An oppressive doesn't care about their subjects, so why do white people with the lower case w care so much about what the Black people with a capital B think and feel?
Can you help me answer this question? Looking for teachable moments here.
|by A simple serf||reply 51||08/31/2020|
R51 It is kind of interesting that the word is never written nor spoken in news accounts but is tossed around casually in pop songs, comedy bits, etc.
|by A simple serf||reply 52||08/31/2020|
R52 The word you're thinking of is n*gga, a 5 letter word. You know which one I'm referring to.
|by A simple serf||reply 53||08/31/2020|
"Queen" is a long-running term of endearment in Liverpool
|by A simple serf||reply 54||08/31/2020|
R51 They are the same, no?
|by A simple serf||reply 55||08/31/2020|
R55 If they're the same, why aren't they used more often, interchangeably?
|by A simple serf||reply 56||08/31/2020|
Reading many of the responses in this thread that has turned into, of course, a race thread
|by A simple serf||reply 57||08/31/2020|
R56 Honestly, I thought both were offensive and never printed.
|by A simple serf||reply 58||08/31/2020|
R58 but one is used often while the other is not. That's the point of R51: the power that it has over oppressives who don't care, somehow. Oppressives who care enough to punish anyone who uses it with the loss of financial security and social stature for years to come? What implications of powerful social currency it has.
|by A simple serf||reply 59||08/31/2020|
I prefer prime minister.
|by A simple serf||reply 60||08/31/2020|
Outdated Black terminology frequently used by gay white men trying to seem hipper than they are.
|by A simple serf||reply 61||08/31/2020|
[quote] R48 I've lived all over the country, and I've never heard anyone refer to someone else as King, and never heard the word Queen used, except in the context of a mincing faggot. Where are you hearing this, OP, while you're sleeping?
In social media posts, as OP stated
|by A simple serf||reply 62||08/31/2020|
R59 I cannot think of any other such word. It used to be you couldn’t say or write “cunt” but Game of Thrones put paid to that.
|by A simple serf||reply 63||08/31/2020|
R63 People in the UK have been saying cunt forever. The N word will never be said, unless you have a powerful Black man's approval, like Samuel L. Jackson.
|by A simple serf||reply 64||08/31/2020|
The Context Of A Mincing Faggot sounds like the title of Harvey Fierstein's memoir.
|by A simple serf||reply 65||08/31/2020|
And you'll never get any reprisals for saying faggot, R65
|by A simple serf||reply 66||08/31/2020|
Yes, it’s mostly used by black people, as far as I know. To each their own.
I find “rest in power” equally dumb.
|by A simple serf||reply 67||08/31/2020|
As a gay man I don't appreciate being called a queen.
|by A simple serf||reply 68||08/31/2020|
[quote]People who call others "king" and "queen"
[quote]Yes, it’s mostly used by black people, as far as I know. To each their own.
R67Are black people different from "people"?
|by A simple serf||reply 69||09/01/2020|
At the risk of being flamed I will mention an expression that actually is used only by black people (in my experience): “The ancestors got your/my back.” What does this mean? It seems nonsensical but maybe I am missing the point.
Beyoncé refers to it in “Black Parade:” “Ancestors put me on game.”
It made me think, I have no idea who my ancestors are. I need to buy one of those DNA kits.
|by A simple serf||reply 70||09/01/2020|
I suspect that the more socially marginalized one is, the greater the tendency to use terms such as "King" "Queen" and "Rest in Power" to feel better about themselves.
|by A simple serf||reply 71||09/01/2020|
R69 don’t try to stir shit.
|by A simple serf||reply 72||09/01/2020|
R72 I'm not "trying to stir shit", I found the comment ignorant.
|by A simple serf||reply 73||09/01/2020|
Also - I haven't noticed that the use of king and queen is used more by black people. If your friend posts a particularly great picture to instagram you respond "King". Not hard to figure out why. It's not about being socially marginalized.
|by A simple serf||reply 74||09/01/2020|
I use it in an ironic tone for things, such as when Dua Lipa says "should have stayed at home" or "don't go out", I like to yell QUEEN OF QUARANTINE.
|by A simple serf||reply 75||09/01/2020|
And I am Marie of Romania.
|by A simple serf||reply 76||09/01/2020|
Kamala Harris called Brandy and Monica queens during their verzuz yesterday!
|by A simple serf||reply 77||09/01/2020|
People can say whatever they want and I'll do the same. That's how it works people.
|by A simple serf||reply 78||09/10/2020|
Is your name Aretha Franklin, Elizabeth Windsor, RuPaul or Letizia of Spain?
Then no one should be calling you Queen.
|by A simple serf||reply 79||09/10/2020|
I think it’s absurd, morganatic baroness.
|by A simple serf||reply 80||09/10/2020|
White people are bland as fuck. They really don't get or understand nor are they supposed to understand, black cultural references. It's not for white society to understand, that why most of you don't get it.
And it definitely has nothing at all to do with being marginalized and making yourself feel better. It's just cultural sayings that exist within a group of people who share pretty much the same ancestry.
I think white society should stop messing with things that was never intended for them. Everything isn't meant to be white washed and understood my the oppressive white savages of society.
|by A simple serf||reply 81||09/11/2020|
R81 I don’t think anyone is confused by it, just that they think it’s silly.
I’d still like to know what the Ancestors phrase means.
|by A simple serf||reply 82||09/11/2020|
[quote] White people are bland as fuck.
Yet black people are the ones with babytastes. How ironic.
|by A simple serf||reply 83||09/11/2020|
This Queen didn't come from Africa . She's an Indigenous Queen.
She states her boundaries. No-one has privilege over her!
It's 2020. White Privilge is Ovah.
|by A simple serf||reply 84||09/11/2020|
Why, white people do this ALL the time, OP!
Laura Bush to W.: "Don't worry about speaking to the Amarillo League of Women Voters tonight--you've got this, [italic]King![/italic]"
|by A simple serf||reply 85||09/11/2020|
[quote] My four year old niece addresses everyone as "Your Majesty." Does that count?
Everyone addresses my child as "Jermajesty." Does [italic]that[/italic] count?
|by A simple serf||reply 86||09/11/2020|
R72 Such an ugly expression! Leave it in the toilet!
|by A simple serf||reply 87||09/11/2020|
This is a genuine king and queen
|by A simple serf||reply 88||09/11/2020|
R86 I can’t stop laughing when I read “Jermajesty.”
|by A simple serf||reply 89||09/11/2020|
r89, you know he really did name his son that.
|by A simple serf||reply 90||09/11/2020|
I think it was Kevin Hart who said, "Look, I'm rich and famous but I bet no white man in this audience wants to be me", Sad but true,
|by A simple serf||reply 91||09/12/2020|
If it makes black people feel better or happy to say King and Queen, for Lord sake let them say it without fucking with them.
|by A simple serf||reply 92||09/12/2020|
Usually when I see King its some black guy on grindr who claims to have a 12" dick and wants you to pay him $300 to even see it or touch it.
|by A simple serf||reply 93||09/13/2020|
White people are completely trash. They really are.
|by A simple serf||reply 94||09/13/2020|
[Quote]People can say whatever they want and I'll do the same. That's how it works people.
Exactly. Some of the posters here are truly disgusting. Look at the ease with which they assume they have the undeniable birth right to monitor and direct the actions and thinking of black people, however, when the same restrictions are imposed on them and their culture, they lunge screaming "homophobia." You really think you are in charge and running the show, don't you?
|by A simple serf||reply 95||09/13/2020|
R95 They are delusional beyond belief.
|by A simple serf||reply 96||09/13/2020|
On a gay men's website, run by and for gay men, gay men think they are running the show?
|by A simple serf||reply 97||09/13/2020|
Not sure why anyone would want be in the same class of people as Edwin.
|by A simple serf||reply 98||09/13/2020|
Yes, you're right, R81
|by A simple serf||reply 99||09/15/2020|
Never heard such a thing.
|by A simple serf||reply 100||09/16/2020|