Russia has a vaccine

Would you really accept a vaccine developing by Russia that has not gone through clinical trials and testing that the US has monitored?

Unless we're reaching Walking Dead or Contagion levels of outbreak, I probably wouldn't.

I wouldn't trust it with my life.

Their 'vaccine' is probably krokodil-spiked vodka.

I’m not trusting a fucking Russian vaccine

OP, you should say "RUSSIA SAYS IT HAS A VACCINE", since there probably is no objective evidence.

Germany has asked for samples of this vaccine to do some testing. We also have 3 that are being tested.

Russia has provided no evidence if/how it works. They were just caught trying to hack into our research two weeks ago. The country is one big scam.

It is wonderful news that Russia our good friend country who loves America has vaccine that can save lives of millions of patriot Americans. We must all demand that our good friend Russia gives us vaccine that makes us healthy immediately! Tell our patriot politicians to make sure we patriot Americans all get Russian vaccine now! Then everyone will be healthy and not dead.

They're basically doing a live Stage 3 testing on their own people. If they want to be guinea pigs for us, fine. Let's hope it works.

I'm sure they will allow any American stupid enough to try it to do so. Actually, that's probably only trump.

A rogue country known for poisoning their enemies -- what could go wrong?

LINK, fat whore OP.

And, this is how World War Z started...

Side effects include a sudden hankering for consuming human flesh.

R10 is right! Trump will fall for anything -- conspiracy theories, snake oil quack remedies, etc. He was willing to have the rest of us drink bleach and shoot UV rays up our asses, and he himself eagerly took that pill that's dangerous for obese people with heart flutters -- he's the ideal candidate to act as a human guinea pig for the Russian "vaccine". He'd be a hero!

r15. He doesn't "fall" for them. He gets PAID to shill them. That guy doesn't let go of a fart until he gets a cut from the fart's profits.

Sure they do

You first, OP.

You would accept a rushed Russian hoaxine?

They're only doing it to shut people up. It's opium to placate the masses, like all public measures under Putin.

They are no further along than several American companies. They simply are cutting short clinical trials necessary to demonstrate safety and efficacy.

"Ask *your* witch doctor about Lidokork!"

Safety trials are for pussies.

These people invented Krokodil. Look it up. No, thanks.

[quote] Uh Mr Putin. Sir? Why is the cure glowing?

I'm sure it's very safe. The Trump children and grandchildren should take it first.

If you said "Germany has a vaccine", I'd believe that because Germans have their shit in a box (despite all of their other issues). Russia, not so much...

R26, exactly.

Rah, rah, Vlad Putin

Claims he has a safe vaccine ...

Russians are on top of biological warfare so I think it's plausible. It's not like we're comparing cars, and if Vlad's own daughter is getting it, it must be legit.

You just know Trump is going to cut a deal with Putin to bring this new miracle vaccine to the U.S. The US government pays Putin $2 billion for the vaccine and then, in totally unrelated news, Putin pays Trump $1 billion to build Trump Tower Moscow.

[quote] Their 'vaccine' is probably krokodil-spiked vodka.

[quote] These people invented Krokodil.

How’s that now, mates?

R29, even on the tiniest chance that it is legit, who would trust Russia (a country known for poisoning) to administer a safe vaccine to the rest of the world?

They totally skipped over final testing. Yeah, I’m avoiding it. But as someone upthread said, Dump will make a deal with Putin and this will be the October surprise.

Thankfully, he has already convinced his base that vaccines are unnecessary Jew-boy terrorism, so no change there.

I’ve heard many, many people, many smart doctors say they would, r32. A lot of people have said. Of course I can’t name names or produce one single damn person to corroborate, but I’ve heard.

HELL NO would I trust a Russian anything.

Liars, cheaters, whores and drunks

I would risk COVID before I’d risk a Russian vaccine. At least some folks know something about what COVID Is.

[quote]Russia has a vaccine

If their vaccine is to medicine what their food is to cuisine, then that would be a [italic]nyet[/italic].

It actually doesn’t matter if you trust or not as it will not be available to you anyway.

I personally don’t see any problems with it. They are stupid stupid enough to kill their own people if millions get the vaccine. Whatever works for them, then good for them

Sorry I meant “they are not stupid enough***

R40, no, I think you were right the first time...

Why are they stealing other country's vaccine info?

It’s a hoaxine.

It's like when Russia tested the oral polio vaccine and got zero people infected with polio, thus leading the world to accept it and causing millions of new polio cases.

In Russia lady get many vaccine which protect from diseases of private and other thing.

The vaccine Russia has given the green light to is Japanese in origin.

The difference is other countries are being more cautious whereas Russia has decided to grasp at the first straw.

Russian scientists have a long history of trying what we now call "Phase 3" vaccines on themselves and their families.

Here's an article from a few weeks ago about this very practice:

Decades-Old Soviet Studies Hint at Coronavirus Strategy

A married pair of virologists in Moscow tested a vaccine on their own children in the 1950s. Now, a side effect they found is sparking new hope for a defense against the coronavirus.

By Andrew E. Kramer Published June 24, 2020

MOSCOW — To the boys, it was just a sugary treat. To their parents, prominent medical researchers, what happened in their Moscow apartment that day in 1959 was a vital experiment with countless lives at stake — and their own children as guinea pigs.

“We formed a kind of line,” Dr. Peter Chumakov, who was 7 at the time, recalled in an interview. Into each waiting mouth, a parent popped a sugar cube laced with weakened poliovirus — an early vaccine against a dreaded disease. “I was eating it from the hands of my mother.”

Today, that same vaccine is gaining renewed attention from researchers — including those brothers, who all grew up to be virologists — as a possible weapon against the new coronavirus, based in part on research done by their mother, Dr. Marina Voroshilova.

Dr. Voroshilova established that the live polio vaccine had an unexpected benefit that, it turns out, could be relevant to the current pandemic: People who got the vaccine did not become sick with other viral illnesses for a month or so afterward. She took to giving the boys polio vaccine each fall, as protection against flu.

Now, some scientists in several countries are taking a keen interest in the idea of repurposing existing vaccines, like the one with live poliovirus and another for tuberculosis, to see if they can provide at least temporary resistance to the coronavirus. Russians are among them, drawing on a long history of vaccine research — and of researchers, unconcerned about being scoffed at as mad scientists, experimenting on themselves.

Rest of the article in the link.

[quote] It’s a hoaxine.

It's a whorexine!

It's an untested bullshit vaccine they did to help Trump. I wouldn't go near it. Russia will never admit all the people that die from it or get Covid anyway because it is, as I said, a bullshit vaccine. Who with even 1/4 of a working brain would believe that this is a real and safe vaccine.

[quote]Russia has a vaccine

Feel free to try it OP and let us know how it works.

It’s telling that Pooty poot hasn’t taken it, but supposedly his daughter has...

Pooty's daughter is hideous. Not even Trump would grab her by the pussy.

A solution of krokodil, bear jizz, and vodka isn't a vaccine.

I'm sure the Russians do have one - lots of countries have some that have proved effective. Russia is skipping all the protocols, that is all.

This is going to be better than an inadequately tested vaccine. An inexpensive, easily produced inhalant based on nanobodies, antibody-like immune proteins. Developed by UCSF researchers, who are already negotiating mass production simultaneous with testing. Nanobodies are structurally simpler and stabler than antibodies. This is a really innovative and exciting approach to COVID protection until effective and thoroughly tested vaccines are developed.

Plus you've got to love the name--AeroNabs....

New reports have said that Stage II was done on a small sample of 100 volunteers. No idea if that is true as Russia hasn't given much away apart from Putin's claiming that his daughter has tried it and is still alive. That is a pitifully small sample. In the absence of better information, I wouldn't go near this.

Americans are never going to be first to get COVID prevention nor will said prevention when it arrives be "brilliant and the absolute best." Haven't you all been paying attention to your government's track record? Not saying the Russian vaccine is good, however.

I keep seeing little clauses and caveats about immunity to Covid-19 being temporary. Is it because no one knows? Is it like the flu vaccine? Is it why we don’t have an HIV vaccine? We have to create a new flu vaccine every year, but you get a polio vaccination (plus a booster) that provides lifetime immunity (in most cases)? Or is it herd immunity?

Sorry to be so dense. It depends on the type of virus?

My best friend is anxious that Trump will glom onto it and try to distribute here in the States, perhaps even make it mandatory. That would be instant 'World War Z,' if it happened, over the distrust of a Russian vaccine alone. I certainly don't want it. I'll wait for ours, thank you very much (which now, I'd need some kind of assurance that it's ours, and not theirs).

My best friend told me to be careful when the vaccines are available. He said I have to avoid the George Soros and Bill Gates mind control vaccine. Get the Illuminati one.

So, R60/smartass, you wouldn't mind taking the Russian vaccine? Tell you what - you take it, and we'll watch to see what happens to you. It will be necessary to expose you to Covid-19 to see if it truly confers immunity on you.

No dumbass. I don't want the Russian "vaccine". I'm laughing at your ridiculous fear that a US President can "mandate" obligatory vaccination with snake oil.

What's ridiculous about it, R62? All he need do is advocate its use on Twitter, like he did with hydroxychloroquine. He has shown that he's perfectly capable of offering incentives for accepting it, and dis-incentives for rejecting it; he plays these kinds of games with states all the time, turning aid on and off like a faucet. The ensuing conflict from the question alone would rip the US a new ass. He could pretend he'd solved the pandemic, which, prior to the election, no one would be able to reliably verify. And he could blame the Democrats for it not being made available here - which, reasonably, it couldn't.

Such a gaslighting strategy could be a potential election-bender.

Dig in, dear? None of that is "mandatory". I agree with you that Trump is deplorable.

[quote]None of that is "mandatory".

Neither is it "ridiculous," R64.

"Mandatory" is not my word, but one my friend used. (He's an actual person, not a rhetorical device substituting for myself. I have no need for such.) But in his defense, it's worth pointing out that throughout his presidency so far, Trump has made all sorts of feints at making this or that either mandatory or non-mandatory, ranging from Muslim bans to mask-wearing, as his preference leaned. Whether any of it is something he can actually carry out - constitutionality is an issue - is another matter. He's discovered the power of rhetoric alone, which skips over checks and balances.

It remains to be seen what Trump will do with Russia's claim to have a vaccine.

While I would definitely wish a Russian vaccine for COVID-19 on my worst enemy, I'd take a hard pass. Putin probably offered up his least favorite daughter as a guinea pig.

I will say it's funny how the countries who've done the worst jobs of handling the disease are the closest to developing vaccines. Necessity truly is the mother of invention.

[quote]Putin probably offered up his least favorite daughter as a guinea pig.

I rather doubt it. It's probably an empty lie for propaganda's sake.

[quote]I will say it's funny how the countries who've done the worst jobs of handling the disease are the closest to developing vaccines.

Like who, R66? 𝐶𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 to have a vaccine is not the same as having one. Nor is it even near to having one.

In post-Soviet Russia Covid vaccine tests you!

Russia's vaccine is piss and vodka.

[quote] Putin's claiming that his daughter has tried it and is still alive.

Is that the bar he’s setting?!

“Hell, she didn’t drop dead. Vaccine for everyone!!“

I would be cautious taking one we just came out with....never mind from our good friends the Russians.

Vaccine kill you or cure you. Either way, no more virus!

Trump is waiting for Stella Immanuel to endorse the Putin vaccine before spending billions to receive samples to inject college football players so they'll play this season. Trump will get acculades from Gym, Ladybug, & Go-Go Gohmert if he does.

[quote] Trump will get acculades

As many things as I wish this man to get (COVID, heart attack), I don’t think he can get this.

We have injection, yes, is exclusive for share with Americans. We like you so much we let you go first. To be protected. You not feel a thing, maybe a pinch.

[quote] Unless we're reaching Walking Dead or Contagion levels of outbreak, I probably wouldn't.

I think that vaccine will result in flesh-eating zombies. Russia needs to be sealed off from rest of World.

Trump wants to believe that hydroxochloriquine and internal bleaching will protect him from COVID, too, r29.

Let these psychopathic autocrats like Putin and Trump kill themselves and their families because reality is only what they want to believe.

That's how psychopathic fascists think. It's delusional.

Russia probably invented a poisonous vaccine so that Trump would embrace it and give it to Americans.

Trump does everything else Putin wants to destroy and disrupt America. Trump has been taking Russian mob money for decades and the Russians funded Trump's campaign.

Yes, r58.

Some viruses are wiped out with one vaccination but many require routine vaccinations.

That's because the antibodies you develop to fight the vaccine erode over time, at different rates for different viruses, and viruses mutate so your old antibodies become obsolete.

Recent studies are finding that COVID antibodies erode as quickly as two months, so even people who have it might be at risk for reinfection. They're still studying the virus and no significant numbers of reinfection have been shown in current studies.

As for HIV, I think scientists just haven't cracked the code yet for a vaccine that will only harm the AIDS virus and not totally infect a person.

R79, thank you.

R79, for what it’s worth, you’re one of the reasons I love Datalounge.

Thank you.

Do we even have anything like accurate numbers from Russia on covid infections, deaths, recoveries, etc.?

[quote] Recent studies are finding that COVID antibodies erode as quickly as two months, so even people who have it might be at risk for reinfection. They're still studying the virus and no significant numbers of reinfection have been shown in current studies.

Those studies also suggest that if a person produces antibodies to fight the virus once they will do it again. We have no natural immunity to disease caused by coronavirus -- until we do. So even if someone is reinfected the hope is they will have another successful immune response.

What a disgusting country.

"Recent studies are finding that COVID antibodies erode as quickly as two months, so even people who have it might be at risk for reinfection. They're still studying the virus and no significant numbers of reinfection have been shown in current studies."

Antibodies decrease after *every* infection the body fights off. Your body maintains the defense memory of creating them and also t-cells have a big role in fighting off Covid. So, fewer anti-bodies in now way definitively means you are more susceptible to reinfection.

Can anyone else picture R22 being carried out of the testing lab by his wrestler son?

R86 made me LOL in a waiting room.

I think I would trust any other country in the world with a vaccine before Russia.

Duterte told Putin straight up that he'll use the Filipinos as guinea pigs for it.

Fucking mess.

You don't need a vaccine, just get the actual virus. There is a 99.9999% you won't be harmed.

We are surrounded here by some of the most gullible people alive. Do you really believe: (a) Orange It took a round of the hydroxychloroquine medication; and (b) Putin's daughter was vaccinated with the Russian experimental vaccine? Why? Because two of the world's most prolific liars said so? Really?

There's only one Brooklyn Bridge and its continuous for-sale status is a joke, get it? Anyone offering to sell you the bridge is pulling your leg.

Orange It and Pooty are pissing on you while you don't even have the common sense to come indoors from what you swear is rainfall.

Bridge for sale. Bridge for sale.

R91, I totally believe Trump took Hydroxychloroquine as supposed prophylaxis, because he really is that stupid. He believes his own hype. But the Putin's daughter bit and likely the vaccine itself are unadulterated bullshit.

What statistically warped planet did you drop in from, R91? Follow the scientific reportage -- even people with mild symptoms may exhibit persistent damage to the heart, lungs and nervous system.

^^^ R90, not R91

[quote] [R91], I totally believe Trump took Hydroxychloroquine as supposed prophylaxis, because he really is that stupid. He believes his own hype. But the Putin's daughter bit and likely the vaccine itself are unadulterated bullshit.

He got convalescent plasma infusions AND a provisional vaccine. He'd be dead without it.

I love the world's reaction to Russia's vaccine declaration:

No Phase 3 trials.

I wouldn't take that Russian shit if they paid me.

It's probably legit. We'll know by October.

R99 You should volunteer for the Russian vaccine.

Russians have earned their reputation as liars and cheaters. Now they're surprised the rest of the world is doubting their vaccine. LOL

America also has a vaccine that is currently being tested. Three actually. They are so promising that they are already being mass produced and will be ready to be distributed in mid November.

Fingers crossed.

R101 Do you trust a rushed vaccine?

What would they gain lying about this? Nothing!

Uncross your fingers, r101...

R103 Russians lie about everything. If they say something is white, you can trust that it's actually black.

Yes, I'd trust a rushed vaccine. This is 2020, not 1990. I trust the science and the fact that a vaccine has literally been in development and researched in every advanced nation throughout the world since this began. They had the genome almost immediately from the Chinese and they know how the virus works. I would 100% take a vaccine if there is one in November.

R106 Sucker! Go ahead and trust the Russians of all fucking people. Ha

Can you order the vaccine through the mail like their women?

Why can’t we test it here?

Let the deplorables take this untested vaccine. That might take care of some of our problems!

Despite the USA's faults, and even under the Trump administration, an ineffective or dangerous vaccine will not be brought to market. Period. The New York Times has looked into the fact that in addition to anti-vaxxers, a lot of people who are distrustful of Trump are reluctant to take the vaccine when it is available. That concern is understandable, but it is not valid.

R112, that made me LOL.

R106 “ They had the genome almost immediately from the Chinese”... AGAIN, do we really trust these people? They’re quite literally trying to destroy us.

Just Western propaganda, r97. Those of us without a dog in the perpetual America-Russia battle will be watching with interest the vaccine's rollout in Russia. And if it works, Uncle Vlad will, once again, have outsmarted and outmanoeuvred your bumbling, buffoon, golden-shower-loving president. And yes. The two presidents are reflective of their people and I wouldn't want to be Trump under any circumstances.

[quote] Those of us without a dog in the perpetual America-Russia battle

For someone with no dog in this race, all of your posts certainly seem to indicate someone with typical Slavic defensiveness and a very vested interest in defending Russia.

R13 not world war z, more likely "I am Legend "

[quote] They had the genome almost immediately from the Chinese”... AGAIN, do we really trust these people? They’re quite literally trying to destroy us.

Do you think they told us the genetic sequence and we believed it or that our scientists figured it out?

SMH.

How their rushed vaccine could backfire.

r107, I'd be taking the vaccine that America has been developing, not the Russian one, you dolt.

Not that I trust American medicine more. But we (America) have three vaccines in trial right now that are promising and showing very little complications. I'll be signing up when it's ready.

Trump already took the Russian vaccine because they told him it was hooker piss.

The alleged vaccine was only tested on 100 people. It only conducted 2 phases of trials and it won't share any data with the public.

HOAXINE.

Partial list of ingredients:

Krokodil

Beet juice

Antifreeze

HGH

Hydroxychloroquine

Chernobyl potato vodka

What else?

Even I wouldn't take it!

"She is ugly daughter. I don't care about her. Give her vaccine."

Oh, my! Such wonderful news!

I just love, love, love their complexion wafers!

Wow- they've really shown us who's the boss! Russia has a long history of rushing research and forgoing safety guidelines and testing in an effort to outdo the West. There's a 50% chance that any breakthroughts will eventually be tainted by reality.

A bag of Skittles is more effective than anything Russia claims to have developed.

Fact of the Day: The retirement age in Russia is the same age as the average lifespan for an adult Russian male. They probably want to speed up the process of killing old people to free up some rubles.

I don't trust the Russians and I don't trust the Americans.

I'll take a German or a British vaccine.

I worry that if Trump doesn't have an American vaccine by election day, he will work out something with the Russians, behind the scenes, with an American front. He is capable of anything.

I am at risk, twofold, but no way am I taking any vaccine that is Trump endorsed.

[quote]What else?

Clitoral smeg from Katya's vag

The US has around three vaccines for COVID 19 at the same stage of testing as the Russian one. Russia just doesn't care whether their vaccine is safe, much as Trump doesn't care, he just wants a vaccine.

R124, all of Putin's daughters are ugly. They look like Vladdy with a vagina. I'm not convinced they don't have a Y chromosome.

I do not trust anything made in Russia.

You saying I can't say one is uglier than the others? I'm president, I can say whatever I want.

What's the name of the trog on the left at R132? Uglyoshka, perhaps?

The Swine Flu vaccine under Fords watch is too fresh in my mind. I never took that either and Im glad I didnt.....I'll continue to get my flu shots and let trump and putin's people take this one first

Seems like the USSR and then Russia has a history of success in mechanical sciences, but health? Maybe they do but nothing comes to mind off the top of my head.

I’d take it, but only 6-9 months after millions of Russians had taken it and they provided clean data.

Trump is saying that there will be a vaccine available before election day. I hope people realize it will be from Putin the Poisonous.

I don't think anybody trusts their vaccine.

[quote] The Swine Flu vaccine under Fords watch is too fresh in my mind.

R136, can you elaborate on this? I’m not familiar with it at all.

The Swine Flu vaccine was fine. Nothing happened.

Sorry, Jerry, I don’t trust you.

I want to hear it from r136. You just concentrate on de-planing.

The were a flu scare out of New Jersey (Fort Dix) in the 70's. It was a completely new strain and it was pretty bad. People panicked and a vaccine was developed and distributed across the country. Then the side affects started to set in.

The vaccine just wasn't tested enough.

only about 450 people developed side effects to the swine flu vaccine.

Only 450? We have fewer coronavirus cases than that across the whole country.

Right?