Revenge of the "Golden Girls Inconsistencies Thread"

She may have went all 4 years of high school as a date for different guys. And it's possible that more than one event described above happened at a single prom.

I thought of that R1, but they refer to every Dorothy prom scenario as "The Prom." Which to me reads as the Senior Prom. Whereas they refer to someone attending a "Junior Prom" with another character, maybe Rose?

But that's true, there's typically a Jr. and Sr. prom in high school. It just really seems like they are always talking about Dorothy's Senior Prom. The Prom.

Neretti, OP. John Neretti.

Has anyone noticed the inside of the house was nothing like the outside?

Why didn't Dorothy have any visible reaction when she found out who he DID end up marrying.?

R5 You're right, Dorothy totally glazes over the revelation that John married the beautiful popular perfect girl. No reaction.

I have to say that as cool as the Blanche, Dorothy and Rose are...I hate every single one of their children and grandchildren. Their siblings tend to totally, totally suck as well and they seem relatively estranged from everyone in their life aside from Dorothy's ex Stan. Dorothy sees Stan 1000x more than she sees or references either of her children, and she seemingly has no other friends on earth besides the girls, and Stan.

GG relatives that aren't punchable? Gay Clayton and Uncle Lucas.

Uncle Angelo mayyyybe gets a pass, cuz he's old and occasionally says something witty? But he was a horrible liar to his entire family, living a lie for his whole adult life. And he took that free apartment Dorothy and Stan set him up with totally for granted. So nah, he's a jerk.

For being such a heartwarming chicken-soup-for-the-soul kind of show...there wasn't actually a lot of authentic love on the show! The women berated each other night and day. They were psychologically abusive to Rose--Dorothy even would smack Rose with newspapers and magazines. They all piled up on Dorothy for her looks, including her own mother, who could be just emotionally ruthless towards Dorothy. Sophia also constantly called Blanche a slut and a tramp in Blanche's own home.

Stan's mother was a horrible person who doesn't love her son. She's the reason he's so messed up and codependent.

And massive-scale sibling estrangements, and some degree of estrangement from seemingly all of their children.

Blanche's beloved George, the absolute love of her life, and father of her (three, four or six?) children--the only man to whom she was completely faithful--stepped out on her, fathering a secret love child that George then ignores his whole life (and whom he clearly didn't support financially). It's all a bit bleak!

R7, Blanche's grandson in S1 was pretty good and had one of the best lines on the show: "you can kiss my attitude".

Dorothy was a liar and a fraud. Remember when Rose was looking for a job and Dorothy sat down on her bed, grabbed a legal pad and made up a bunch of fake job details for Rose's resume?

[R7] I hate all the children except for skinny Rebekah. She just wanted to have a baby and the Town Slut acted like she said she wanted to become a drug dealer. Michael is hot, but what a loser. He's told to grow up and storms off like a baby. Kate comes to Dorothy after she gets cheated on and is appalled that Dorothy has an opinion on her stupidly staying with ugly Dennis(the first one was much better looking.) Steven Sanders' mom was a stuck up witch and then when she found out Rose was poor she got upset because it meant no trust fund for misgendered Charlie and no more Country Club. I skip the episodes with Clayton because I hate how Blanche treats him, so can't recall how he is. Aunt Angela was played so well that she gets a pass for being a man stealing whore.

[R8] I never thought abusing Rose was funny or straight up saying Dorothy looked like a man all the time.

Oh joy, another Golden Girls thread.

R12 It's COVID times, please don't begrudge us a fresh Golden Girls diversion.

I love you, OP.

Here's another Prom inconsistency:

Dorothy tells her mother she's going to prom with a football player, then hides in the basement slow dancing with a rake and attempting to give herself a hickey with the vacuum cleaner.

i just assumed Dorothy was just a pathological liar.

^Only when asked if she had a penis.

The show may have had its inconsistencies, but those girls could whirlybird in unison like nothing I've ever seen!!!

Dorothy didn't feel guilty about being the other woman even though she herself felt the pain of being cheated on.

All four girls had dementia.

Dorothy was supposed to be born around 1930 so her prom would have been around 1948. She would have had her baby in 1949.

If I recall correctly she has two children. Michael was 23 in the episode he came to visit and Kate was no more than 30.

And why on earth was her high school reunion IN. MIAMI?

If there had to be one, consistent story about Stan and Dorothy, this would be it:

1. Stan & Dorothy are same or similar age.

2. Stan & Dorothy went to Dorothy's (and maybe Stan's, also) *senior* prom together.

3. Dorothy got drunk on prom night, passed out (maybe blacked out), and Stan fornicated upon Dorothy's comatose body.

4. Dorothy got pregnant on prom night but was able to graduate from high school with her class. (Her pregnancy was not super-obvious until after graduation.)

5. Stan and Dorothy got married some time after Dorothy graduated from high school, but before Dorothy gave birth to their first child.

Well at least Dorothy's children are consistent. How many kids do Blanche and Rose have. It varies episode to episode. The only constants are Janet and Rebecca for Blanche and Kirsten for Rose.

NO ONE CARES, ROSE!

Michael and Kate are both referenced in a conversation between Dorothy and Sophia in a mid-50's flashback when Dorothy asks Sophia to watch the kids so that she can get a second job to save up for a television.

[R18] The marriage was over for years according to him, so a bit different.

[R21] Why was Phillip's funeral in Miami? Why was Blanche's sorority reunion in Miami? They made no effort to make the setting of these events realistic.

Watching "It's a Living" reruns, I can't get over how much Golden Girls and It's a Living had in common. Tom Whedon worked on both shows but never realized the similarities until recently. And I watched both during their original respective runs. They were both on Saturday nights in NY.

The episode where everyone agrees to be in Dot's production of Little Red Riding Hood because the cast got sick.

The one where Amy's pen pal escapes from prison.

One episode had Sonny auditioning for Jullliard and it's the same set they used for Kid Pepe's audition.

Ann Jillian's exchange to Crystal Bernard on having a dog is the exact same one Rose and Blanche have in the paper parrot episode.

Both shows also used the exact same dark wood backings, which worked fine for office spaces on Golden Girls, but looked terrible for hotel interiors on It's a Living.

Didn't Cindy Williams guest star as Dorothy's daughter Kate?

Was it ever made clear when Dorothy, Stan, and Sophia moved down to Miami?

r29

especially since they bought land there on their honeymoon

Also I don't think Blanche's reunion was in miami, she packed a bag and came back early

[quote] Why was Blanche's sorority reunion in Miami?

To be fair, do we know where Blanche went to college?

Michael and Kate are supposed to be about 2 years apart.

Dorothy got pregnant with her first at around 18 and in another episode Sophia says Dorothy was pregnant at 20.

R31, she said it one episode. It was some kind of finishing school. It was Miss something. Not Miss Porter's, but something like that.

R29 It's never clear when Blanche and George left Atlanta for Miami either. Rose moved to Miami a year or so before the start of the series, but I don't think any of the other girls got that part of their backstory told.

The girls had already been living together for a year or two when the series opens.

Blanche's kids must've lived in the house with her and George for several years. Why else would they buy a 4 bedroom house? They weren't hoarders.

r28 No.

R33: Miss MacGuyver. You know, the one who shared a one bedroom apartment with Miss McGhee off campus......

R23: Don't forget Bridget. She's the one that fucked afro Michael. She's never seen again but Rose still mentions her.

R20: First Kate is 30 at most, and a much better actress. Second Kate is dowdy and could pass for over 40 a bit, but she's a worse actor. So Kate could have been the love child, 2nd Kate at least. It's hilarious, its the inverse with Dennis. 1st Dennis is hot but a horrible actor, 2nd can act but was chunky and meh looking.

I posted this in the Dorothy Zbornak thread, so I'll just quote it:

[quote]In 6x11 (Stand By Your Man), Dorothy has that running gag throughout the episode where she talks too long about something and then finishes with, “Who are you to judge me?!” One of the moments is her trailing off and talking about having sex in an airplane lavatory with the pilot! THIS from the loser who had no sex life? I guess it’s not an outright inconsistency but it’s very out of character. And it’s the only moment in the whole series she ever tells a Blanche-y story like that, so it’s kind of a WTF moment whenever I see it.

It's just a really stupid moment overall. They should have left it out.

I just watched the Libertine Bell episode. It was a good episode in theory, but the plot had more holes than Swiss Cheese.

not NOW, R40!

FFS, if it’s not a bowel movement its some insipid golden girls bullshit. What is there that even a minimally intelligent person could even want to discuss about this?

Also, why doesn't Sophia have an Italian accent??

Why doesn’t Angela, who lived in Sicily even longer than Sophia?

Actually, the high school reunion in Miami is not necessarily an inconsistency. So many Brooklynites of that generation moved down to Florida, their high schools actually had reunions in that area.

Why was Rose's daughter portrayed as a genius on the episode where she beds Michael, Dorothy's dead-end son?

Dorothy's multiple prom experiences can be explained by physics. Each occured but in different timelines brought together by a rip in the space time continuum.

^^^uncanny resemblance to Yoda

She's a lying, frigid cunt.

R49 I'm the homecoming queen, you bitch!

R46: They just needed Bridget to be successful and in college, to contrast with starving artist/musician Michael. When opposites attract. What's stupid about that episode is that they fuck and Dorothy and Sophia get completely bent out of shape about it. And that's the focus of the back half of the episode. Rose has one 2 minute chat with Bridget about it and that's it. It's not proportional. That or the Bridget actress really sucked at emoting so they kept the scene short.

Blance and George must have moved to Miami when their kids were adults since Blanche made that comment to her daughter who was being artificially inseminated about going downstairs to scream for the governess.

It's telling that Blanche had no pictures in the house of any of her kids or George.

It also made no sense for George's brother to go visit Blanche to talk to her about her mother-in-law's will when Blanche wasn't given anything.

Dorothy once references something about Stan slipping something in her drink and she thought she was moving the gearshitft . Then she made a comment about doing her part for the war effort by sleeping with Stan. I always assumed she meant ww2 but I guess it could have been the Korean war.

In the episode when George's brother visits Dorothy says something about feeling like she's having dejavu to when she was 14, only now Sophia is her and she is Sophia. Rose asks her what she's going to do and Dorothy says clearly she's not going to let her go to the Prom!

So maybe Dorothy was going to proms as a Freshman!

Whet to Stan's third wife

R53 Relatives were being recast left and right! Only the late/ex husbands, Michael, Rebecca 2.0 and Sophia's siblings stayed the same.

R43 R44 I can understand Sophia and Angela losing their accents, but their mother not having one after only being in the U.S. for a couple of years is unforgivable. Was learning an Italian accent too hard for Bea or did she just not bother?

Why did we never see Charlie?

R58: Afro Michael who fucked Bridget is the same straight hair Michael that fucked Lorraine? Are you sure?

R60/R58: I stand corrected. It's the same guy. God, he looks so different with that stache and for the first time we see him.

"The creators invented a wonderful series, wrote a strong, compelling character called Dorothy Zbornak, cast Bea Fucking Arthur to brilliantly embody this three-dimensional character so brilliantly. And then they fucked it all up by forcing the viewer out of this deliciously wrought universe every episode as we strain to connect the unconnectable dots of Dorothy's backstory--a backstory that runs strong and deep through every season, and which literally shaped her entire adult life."

MARY!!!

Both versions of Michael are hot!!!

R63: NO! That mustache and fro? Becky, please!! He's much cuter in my pic above. That Michael can take me anytime he wishes.

I loved pornstache Michael!

Michael goes from 26 to 23 to 30.

They say his age in nearly every appearance but it was never consistent.

We sort of saw Charlie in Golden Palace.

Scott looked like he could be Bea and Herb's son in real life.

R68: It was great casting for that role. 2nd Kate was good as the love child, as far as looks went. Her acting wasn't that great, but hey, you can't have it all.

I also agree that the original actor who played Kate's husband was hot and the 2nd actor was meh. Also the insisting on calling Dorothy "Mother Dorothy" was bizarre.

R70: Some writer had the Calcutta line and wanted to use it, so away they went with it.

R8 George did support David financially though a trust fund in Dallas that’s how he found out blanches address.

1st Kirsten looked more like rose then the second one and wasn’t dumpy.

The first Gloria was a much better actress and resembled Dorothy much more then the second Gloria.

Kate #1 looked like she could be Stan and Dorothys kid the second one looked like she had a stinky pussy.

Neither Rebecca was model pretty nor was her slut niece Lucy.

Blanches 2 sisters were prettier then she was.

The storyline about Dorothy being switched at birth but both glorias were tall and looked like Dorothy.

The flashback Dorothy was great, nan Martin couldn’t done the Sophias part since she could do an Italian accent as philomena.

I think they recast Gloria just so they could do the joke of Sophia’s two tall daughters.

One more question, did Bea get a facelift between season 6 and 7?

I though bea had a lot of work done between Maude and golden girls

What a forensic investigation.

You should write a TV series called CSI: Miami, Miami, You’ve Got Style!

Johnny Neuretti

Oh, dear.

R60, it took me years to accept that it was same actor. The voice kind of sounds the same but he looked like a totally different to me. The clean cut version is quite an improvement. His younger brother played Blanche's grandson David in the first season.

One thing that annoyed me was when they did the same dress joke twice. First with Blanche and Sophia and then with Dorothy and Blanche.

My favorite episode is the one where Rose sets out to find the perfect rescue cat for her curmudgeonly client at the grief center. The B plot was Blanche getting pelvic mesh surgery with hilarious and slapstick, sexy outcomes.

He was away on business, Rose at R59

"His younger brother played Blanche's grandson David in the first season."

Mind blown. I had no idea they were related.

R79, I thought that was funny! I figured they were going to be lazy and have them have the same dress again, but I cracked up when Sophia came out wearing Blanche's dress.

R82, I have an even bigger scoop for you - Mars bars are made right here on Earth.

Wasn't second Kate in It's a Living?

R85, I'm the one who mistook her for Cindy Williams upthread. She was played by Deena Freeman, who was on Too Close For Comfort.

r57

She left him... I think that's in the ep where Stan is Santa

Did Rose wax her pussy?

[R87] He goes back to her at the end of the episode.

R88 No, because she had never heard of shaving above the knee.

[quote]Also the insisting on calling Dorothy "Mother Dorothy" was bizarre.

At least it wasn't Jerry calling Eve Arden's character "Mother Hubbard."

Did Blanche really engage in incest when she was a teenager? It's stated several times that Blanche messed around with her cousins.

The front door in the Petrillo's Brooklyn house changed locations at some point between the 1950s and the 1980s.

Did Mr. Terrific have AIDS?

No, but Rose's romantic interest in the vacation from hell episode/Dorothy's video game student from season 7 did.

Joe Mama?

R93 it also ended up on the ground floor when they wheeled Dorothy's grandmother in and you could see grass behind.

I thought the second Gloria looked a lot more like Dorothy than the first one, R72!

They never dressed like Florida.

Someone mentioned It's a Livinig and I thought I'd mention that in the Christmas episode where they feed the homeless, the kitchen at the Church is the Kitchen set from It's a Living, which was also the Kitchen used in Benson.

Also the Golden Girls kitchen was a re-used set from the show, "It Takes Two," which starred Richard Crenna, Patty Duke, Helen Hunt and Anthony Edwards.

It Takes Two is on YouTube. Watch it!

R101: I watched episode 1. The mother-in-law who lives with them was Rose. Pure and simple, long pointless stories and all. Susan Harris simply transferred the character from that of a daffy, senile grandmother to a daffy pea-brain from Minnesota.

Anthony Edwards' 1982 mullet looks great on him in 'It Takes Two.'

It Takes Two (1982-83): Patty Duke was too young to play Helen Hunt's mother (only 17 years apart in age). Richard Crenna was 20 years older than Patty, yet they were married on the show.

[quote] Patty Duke was too young to play Helen Hunt's mother (only 17 years apart in age).

Excuse me, R104, that seems perfectly reasonable. I don't see anyone having a problem with me playing Bea's mother when she was a year older than me!

The Exterior shots of the house didn't match the front porch of the house!!!!

The kitchen window would be looking into Sophia's bedroom.

It would've made more sense if they made the house a two story with all of the bedrooms and both bathrooms upstairs.

The door in the kitchen leading to the garage which should be right next to the living room reminds me of how the rooms in Clue had secret passages leading to other rooms diagonally across the board.

[quote] googled "Golden Girls inconsistencies" because I was feeling so agitated and confused at how very, very many inconsistencies were allowed to happen on the show.

And probably every show of that vintage. What is wrong with you, OP? Are you on the spectrum?

[quote]Because if Dorothy truly got "knocked up" while still in high school, then honestly--would she have gone to the prom with Stan? Pregnant?

If she got knocked up on prom night she wouldn't have shown before graduation.

R55, she once jokes that she was in the search party for missing bandleader Glenn Miller, so I think we can assume she meant WWII.

When Sophia lost her glasses and accidentally exited the front door (thinking she was on her way to her bedroom) it's only 2 seconds before cars honk. Really? Just 2 seconds to get down that long driveway?

R111 It's the timing of the joke. Any longer and it diminishes the humor in it.

Kill yourself, OP. Fuck the Olden Cunts.

How come Dreyfuss never fucked Rose? She was up for it.

On the first episode with Max Weinstock, Sophia tells Rose and Blanche that "Esther Weinstock was my best friend. We grew up together." Really? Esther lived in Sicily?

Sophia's dentures slipped, R115. She meant to say "We threw up together."

Sophia was a lying old bastard.

It's sad that Jean never appeared again. Was her love for Rose so strong that she couldn't bear to be around her? Did she sacrifice her friendship with Dorothy so she would never have to see Rose again?

She was trapped in Lebanon.

R111, that always drove me nuts too!!

R111 and R120 I think because Sophia thought she had just stepped into her bedroom, she whipped up her dress, exposing two droopy old titties and snow white pussy.

A horrified driver honked his horn in disgust before almost driving into Freida Claxton's tree/memorial.

Esther's maiden name was Conti.

Why were Sophia and Dorothy Italian? IRL they're both Jewish!!!!

Why wouldn't they sit on the other side of the table? What was wrong with that seat? Sophia would always sit at the island. And Dorothy would always sit in the center.

[quote] 1st Kirsten looked more like rose then the second one and wasn’t dumpy.

Oh, dear!

[quote] The first Gloria was a much better actress and resembled Dorothy much more then the second Gloria.

Oh, DEAR!

[quote]Blanches 2 sisters were prettier then she was.

Oh, FUCKING DEAR!!

As much as I loathe "Oh Dear" trolls, I can't help but laugh when they appear.

R124 every TV show does this.

r127 Only multi-cam shows have to do this, because they're filmed in front of an audience.

Yes, and every show back then was filmed in front of an audience.

r124

also someone would have their back to the audience if they all sat at the table

R124 Bea sat in the center because she was able to make people laugh with her look. She sometimes looked almost to the camera and sometimes turned her head from one side to another and people were laughing

Why would an male hetero bar like the Rusty Anchor have a grand piano with a male piano player in it? And the woman's bathroom which looked like something out of a Beverly Hills restaurant? It made absolutely no sense.

And why did NO ONE attend Dorothy's wedding to Lucas? It was the last episode, you think they could have at least splurged a little and had Miles show up.

Also her ingrate loser kid’s didn’t show up.

I wish there had been a Rusty Anchor spin-off.

R132, it was one of the last episodes of the series. They probably said fuck it.

[quote] Also her ingrate loser kid’s didn’t show up.

Her kid’s what though?

R126, to me, that’s the whole point. Well, maybe not the whole point. One is to educate and the other is to make people laugh.

I’ve always envisioned it as an old school marm clucking her teeth and mumbling to herself.

Because of this thread I went down a "It Takes Two" binge today.

It is definitely a Susan Harris show.

The show is like a group marriage between Soap, Golden Girls and the original Rita Moreno Empty Nest pilot.

R138...and Benson. Similar sets, music, supporting/guest actors, etc.

r129 Seriously? There are dozens of shows that used single camera. EVERY dramatic series. And sitcoms did so as well. Leave It to Beaver, Jeannie, Bewitched, The Brady Bunch, MASH, Happy Days, Doogie Howser, Dream On, etc. etc.

Doogie Howser was a sitcom?

Did Mel Bushman ever present hole?

I'm finally on season 7. A couple of notes. It seems that to get Bea back they limited her appearance in episodes. And I never noticed it before but it seems that Bea is reading from the cue cards a lot this season. It's very obvious. I knew Estelle was having problems at this point, but I hadn't heard anything about Bea.

Maybe Bea wasn't having problems like Estelle but rather just didn't care enough to learn the lines.

Also, why did we never see Dorothy's brother, Phil?

It was better that we didn't.

Phil died on the show. Remember his funeral?

Yeah, in season 6. He could've appeared before then.

Phil tried doing a drag show at the Rusty Anchor and was beaten to death. That's why the funeral was in Miami.

It made NO sense to have Phil's funeral in Miami. Just like it made no sense for Dorothy to have a high school reunion in Miami.

Maybe that should have been the spin off. The girls buy the Rusty Anchor.

That would have been too similar to [italic]Cheers[/italic].

Blanche has a fear of flying, than she doesn't. Dorothy doesn't have a fear of flying, than she does.

[quote] Blanche has a fear of flying, than she doesn't. Dorothy doesn't have a fear of flying, than she does.

Your point being?

Is it possible that some of the bedrooms, like Sophia's, were loft conversions?

I love the idea of them owing The Rusty Anchor! They could have had guest rooms upstairs.

Dorothy's room is right next to Blanche's and yet there are windows. They would look right into Blanche's bedroom just like the kitchen windows would look right into Sophia's.

What about all the actors who came back playing different roles? Meg Wyllie, for example, played four different parts, including the flight attendant who tells Rose this isn’t the Copacabana. And Lloyd Bochner had big guest starring roles as the actor and then the hairdresser.

Don’t recall other shows doing that.

Rose’s education

r158 has apparently never heard of a little show called "I Love Lucy."

I Like Lucy

I Loathe Lucy.

[quote] Blanche has a fear of flying, than she doesn't. Dorothy doesn't have a fear of flying, than she does.

Oh, dear!

dorothy as a gambling addict. nope.

How about that story line where Freida Claxton didn't actually die but went into the Witness Protection Program only to return a few years later to reveal she's Dorothy's biological mother... whose accent doesn't match anyone else's in her family.

Technically, it is plausible that Dorothy's room had a window that would not look into Blanche's bedroom as the window isn't on the shared wall. You can see how it would make sense in the episode, "Foreign Exchange" when they kick Dorothy's real parents out of the bedroom, you get a view of how it works.

Rose's room makes no sense. Their living room windows would look right into her bedroom.

Rose seemed to have a giant bedroom with a sitting area and a bathroom. Sophia's room also had an en suite.

R151 The Rusty Girls

Doro's bedroom

Rose's bedroom

Blanche's Boudoir

Sophia's bedroom

Yeah Rose's bedroom makes no sense. As mentioned, the bedroom would jut out and be the only thing you could see through the living room windows. Further, her bedroom windows are the ones that would be looking into Blanche's bedroom. Finally, the distance from Rose's front door to her back wall does not match up with the distance presented in the hallway between her door and Blanche's door.

[quote] Further, her bedroom windows are the ones that would be looking into Blanche's bedroom.

They’d be too fogged up to see anything. Maybe you could catch a glimpse of Mel Bushman’s ass, but that would be it.

If you told me 35 years later a bunch of queens would be bitching about this, I would've laughed in your face.

How the hell did Frieda Claxon see in any of their bedrooms since she lived across the street?

Precisely R176 she can't possibly see anything as she doesn't live next door or behind them but right across the street!

Would only make sense if Blanche was in the bedroom from the pilot.

Rose had the best bedroom, Blanche's looks smaller and less comfortable.

It makes sense for Rose to have the better bedroom over Dorothy or Sophia since she won a coin toss from it, but hers shouldn't be better than Blanche's.

Didn't Blanche's bedroom have a separate entrance from the outside or doors that led to a patio? I thought someone entered from the outside once (perhaps George?).

r178

Dorothy did when she escaped from her foot surgery

No. A big scary man came into the house, r179.

I know she once said that she would be wakened by "Wayne tapping on the window"..

Judging by the windows in Rose (to the left of Blanche's bedroom) and Dorothy's (to the right of Blanche's) bedroom, Blanche's bedroom would be no wider than a hallway.

A house with 4 master (sized) bedrooms with at least 2 of them having their own bathroom plus a main bathroom is very unusual in real life. Therefore Blanche and George must've had the house built for them and their 6 children.

*Judging by the windows in Rose's (to the left of Blanche's bedroom) and Dorothy's (to the right of Blanche's) bedrooms,

Why the hell did they deviate from the original floorplan that had Blanche's bedroom off the hallway to the left of the frontdoor?

When Rose first dates Miles she says she doesn't know what a metaphor is but she it's clearly explained to her in the Barbara Thornedyke episode.

I agree they should have kept the plan where Blanche's was off the lanai. Makes sense that she would get her privacy.

It's all made-up by the writers. Made-up shit can contradict other made-up shit. It's sitcom entertainment; not a documentary.

GG is NOT a made up show! It's REAL! REAL! REAL!

Sets are a problem in multi-cam shows filmed in front of an audience. They have a limited amount of space and usually only have room for three fixed sets and maybe one or two smaller or flexible ones. These limitations account for a lot of the house layout issues.

[quote] GG is NOT a made up show! It's REAL! REAL! REAL!

No it isn't. It's just a TV show.

Now ALF, on the other hand, is real and his show was just a cover-up to that effect.

I love how they always brush off Rose's problems. She gets a letter about Charlie's company going bankrupt and losing her pension. Eh, they probably can't cut you off. Call them and everything will be fine. She gets a letter she may have HIV. You'll go get a test and everything will be fine.

Well, as her friends I guess that beats them telling her, “Oh you’re fucked.”

[quote] When Rose first dates Miles she says she doesn't know what a metaphor is but she it's clearly explained to her in the Barbara Thornedyke episode.

She gets a pass from me. I’ve had metaphors and things like that explained to me and sometimes I don’t get them either.

R186: Stop and think about this. That meant the lanai was right behind the living room. Which means every time there was a party or gathering or whatever, they would have to film some of them standing in the area outside, behind the living room, if anyone went back inside the house. By moving the lanai to that round the corner entrance, they don't have to worry about that. It's the old "what makes sense in a house layout is a nightmare for production" issue.

R193 is...limited.

[quotw]She gets a letter she may have HIV. You'll go get a test and everything will be fine.

And they were right in both cases!

Yeah, cause it's TV. If you got a letter you might be poz and your friends replied "where do we wanna brunch today?" wouldn't you be pissed off?

But it's TV so why would you expect more?

ew you gave me an R cup!

All their kids were assholes.

R198, I would expect a bit more concern and the "da na na na, don don, ding ding" serious music cue they had.

it was strange that 4 women with at least 13 children among them and we only met 2 from Dororthy 2 from Sophia 2 from Blanche 2 from Rose

and I'm not counting Golden palace(but if I did I think we meet 1 child of both Rose and Blanche)

But it's TV.

The Golden Palace introduced Tad, Blanche's retarded brother. We'd certainly never heard about him before.

R202: I only remember Rebecca for Blanche. Who was number 2? And no, fat Rebecca and skinny Rebecca do not count as 2, bitches.

Janet. She's seen in one of the last episodes of the series in a "b-plot" that goes absolutely nowhere and was obviously just filler for the two parter.

I miss Sexy Grandma!

I think it was easier to block for the cameras with her going down the communal hallway. Her grand exits wouldn’t have been the same is she’d gone the either way, which wouldn’t give her the opportunity to really strut.

We never got to meet Biff, Doug, or Skippy Devereaux.

[quote]Maybe one of them grew up to be hot

Or gay, like Uncle Clayton.

Matthew Devereaux appeared on [italic]Golden Palace[/italic] and wanted to be a comedian. He must have been inspired by Big Daddy's short-lived music career.

How many children did Rose have? I remember Kirsten and the one Dorothy's son slept with.

Rose and Blanche both have 5 children that are mentioned.

Blanche's children was another inconsistency:

[quote]Blanche mentions the names of six children: Janet, Rebecca, Mathew, Doug, "Biff", and "Skippy". However, in the third-season episode "Bringing Up Baby", when Dorothy questions an impulsive car purchase, Blanche says to her: "I have had four children, I have never had a Mercedes". She mentions three sons — Skippy, Biff and Doug — in the episode "Bringing Up Baby", while the fourth name, Matthew, was mentioned in the episode "To Catch a Neighbor" and made an on-screen appearance on an episode of The Golden Palace

R191

Yes, you are spot on -- the invalidation that was hurled at Rose often made me extremely uncomfortable.

The most hardcore "invalidator "was Dorothy. She would act like the other girls were simply batshit crazy to EVER be concerned or worried about anything, ever. She would get the most condescending tone and be like "OH, C'MON! THAT'S RIDICULOUS! YOU'LL BE FINE! EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE FINE!" I am sensitive to people being flat-out invalidated, and it takes me out of the story when it happens.

Although Dorothy is my favorite character, the way she is written, she can be hypocritical, and that is annoying. Like, she gets to worry about her chronic fatigue, but Rose shouldn't worry about potentially having AIDS?

Rose finally meets her birth father after 60 something years.... and then he is never mentioned again.

Rose's dad had too much Monking to do.

Yeah that was silly r216.

You think that's bad, R216, trying moving across the globe to Miami and never being heard from again.

Aunt Angela was an even nastier, more annoying woman than Sophia so I'm glad she disappeared. Uncle Angelo was a total tool with a terrible accent.

I always thought it rude that Dorothy made invitations for people to stay without mentioning it to Blanche or the others first, like when she said Angela can stay with them til she finds somewhere. It isn't your house, Stretch.

At one point it actually was her house, at least partly.

Dorothy wasn't a guest in the home. She was paying rent, which gives her the ability to invite people to stay over.

Absolutely R221 but not when she offered these people long stays.

R222 of course she can, but right in front of Blanche she invited Angela to stay for as long as she liked with them if she moved to Miami.

There are other instances when she had people to stay that Blanche knew nothing about it before they arrived.

HowI could Dorothy not know that her mother and aunt had a fight and hadn't talked in 30 years.

Dorothy had a breakdown after Stan left her and had forgotten R225

That's also why she went from being a high-flying Headmistress to a substitute teacher.

[quote] Aunt Angela was an even nastier, more annoying woman than Sophia so I'm glad she disappeared. Uncle Angelo was a total tool with a terrible accent.

This is why they made them Italian instead of Jewish. If they were Jewish, you'd have cried anti-semitism until the cows came home.

R220: Look, I'm trying to have a heartfelt last few years with my mother and my favorite aunt. SO BUTT OUT, RAMBO!!!!

Mother Dorothy, then shove them in your slum tenament.

R229: That my ex-husband bought without my knowledge, probably at the same time he bought the corvette without my knowledge! I was too busy doing jazzercise to pay attention, you know.

And frankly, who are you to judge me?!?! That Norwegian pea brain forced us to turn the house into a blind help house for a whole week for her sister, who tried to fry bacon herself and REFUSED to wear dark glasses. I mean, she kept her eyes closed, as though she was PRETENDING. That's not coping!

And let's not forget the week we had to be mothers again for that Georgian tramp's rotten grandson, until my mother put him in his place. My grandmother would had the kid's bare ass as red as marinara sauce when the cop brought him in from the Bahamas!

Let me spell it out for you, R229. Go to hell. ;)

Mother Dorothy, you inherited that slum from Stsn's dead Uncle and it didn't stop you spending your rent income on hideous smelly boots and cowl sweaters!

Tell me about it, r219.

Tell me all about it.

R231: Look, it was sold after the judge made me spend the night in it with that bastard ex of mine. Once I got it, I sold my shares, and used the paperwork to beat Rose over the head for filling that TV report in the first place. What more do you want??

....Trudie, is that you? You old bitch!

Dorothy's pajamas were the same style as her day clothes.

I thought Dorothy wore nighties?

r150

Phil's funeral is on now and Sophia said they convinced Angela to have Phil buried in the family plot in Miami

Who was in the family plot in Miami?

R237, Sal and Dorothy's dignity.

And why did Phil's poker buddies make the flight down, but none of his kids, or Gloria, or Gloria's presumed kids, or Dorothy's kids, or even Stan, who lives in the same town and was his brother-in-law for 38 years?

And none of those inconsistencies are as bad as Estelle trying to cry at the end!

Maybe they were all at the funeral and the girls came home with Big Sal as it was too much for the Raisin In Sneakers.

Brenda and Estelle were both Emmy nominated for the Phil's funeral episode.

Based on their ages in the series, all three girls are probably still alive.

r241

that's embarrassing

R239 It's the same thing with births, weddings and funerals in soap operas. It's due to two things: actor availability and more importantly money.

I mean on Days of Our Lives, Justin and Adrienne have 3 sons (two of which are identical twins) and two of them have been living in Salem for decades and yet haven't actually appeared onscreen in nearly 30 years since they were infants.

r244

They all live in Arizona now and other than Sonny, I thought they have always been in Arizona since they left Salem the 1st time

R244/R245: Dorothy.....WHAT THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

r246

DOOL!!!

R239, Like the viewers, Stan and Dorothy's children as well as their nephews and nieces, never met Phil. They kept that part consistent!

Which episode was Sophia the biggest cunt in? I say it’s Phil’s funeral. She distanced herself from the family for that long over a bounced check? It was supposed to be so petty that it was funny but it just made her a mean old bitch.

By that time, some dialogue here and there about her simply using her stroke as an excuse to be a twat would have been useful, because the original premise of the character was just gone.

R249 I think it was funny because the cheque issue was clearly an excuse. She admits she expected his wife to stop Phil cross-dressing and lead a "normal" life. Sophia is angry this didn't happen and that "Big Sal" embraced and condoned it.

Digging deeper, it's revealed Sophia blames herself for whatever it was that started her son cross-dressing and harbors a lot of guilt. It's only when his wife assures her that her son was a "good man" that Sophia can let go and cry "my baby is gone". That last line always gets me.

That's my interpretation of it anyway.

R250, that's exactly what it was all about.. it's all spelled out for the viewer.

R250 Weird, I don’t remember all that. I just remember the “My baby is gone” part. I guess I need to watch it again. I usually skip it.

And never mind about that being her bitchiest moment—I forgot about the episode where she pretends to be channeling Charlie’s spirit to fuck with Rose. Rose was beyond stupid by that point and Sophia was beyond mean. That’s one moment where it’s obvious that the show needed to wrap up (and I’m actually a huge fan of season 7).

R252 right on. That's easily the nastiest thing Sophia did. She watched Rose break up with Miles, conned her out of money and didn't seem to see what she was doing was wrong. Awful writing, I'm surprised Estelle didn't refuse to play it.

You’re right about it all, r250, except she disparagingly referred to her as “Big Sally.”

In the episode when the Mercedes gets possessed and they all take a ride in it as it's being towed if you look closely there is a woman sitting in the driver's seat who looks noticeably younger than the main characters wearing a white wig that looks nothing like Rose or Dorothy's respective hairstyles. That's even worse than the editing used for Betty's dance/cartwheel doubles.

Why did Blanche's house have a fireplace?

It's not quite that simple r222. The way it technically works is you are allowed to have a guest stay about ~2 weeks in a 6 month period, and more than that you are violating your lease agreement in terms of how many people are staying in the property.

35th Anniversary today bitches.

Awww R258 that's amazing! Where did the time go?

I have to have a mini "thon" now. Thank you for telling us!

Why did Stan always have to show up at the door and say, "Hi, it's me, Stan?"

Honestly R259, I'm surprised others hadn't mentioned it, given how fanatical some people are. There must be a separate anniversary thread.

R260 For the viewers at home, Rose.

The viewers had seen him hundreds of times, Rose.

R131 she was also 1) the tallest and 2) the STAR and wouldn’t have fucking had it any other way.

Did they ever get that hottub?

For the same reason the front door had a peephole for exactly one episode, R256.

It was his “schtick,” r260. Much like Sophia’s “picture it....”

[quote] The way it technically works is you are allowed to have a guest stay about ~2 weeks in a 6 month period, and more than that you are violating your lease agreement in terms of how many people are staying in the property.

You think every landlord across the entire nation has the same lease for every single renter?

If that were the case we wouldn’t need Landlord & Tenant’s Court to have a judge interpret leases.

Yes, it was obviously his schtick... but an entirely dumb and unnecessary one.

Why did they even add Janet to the Rose/heart attack episodes? It literally cannot be understated how useless and unnecessary she was. She had NOTHING to do with the episodes at all. NOTHING. It’s like they accidentally spliced it with scenes from the wrong episode.

Between that and Kiersten’s mopey ass, those episodes makes me violent.

Wait. R269, your initials spell BED?

😉

Did any of the Girls ever do nudity in their film careers?

Sophia had a best friend that was a nun who was never mentioned prior to the nun's death or after.

[quote] Did any of the Girls ever do nudity in their film careers?

At the insistence of Bill Macy, Bea Arthur was was going to go full frontal in [italic]LucyMAME[/italic], but Gene Saks talked her out of it.

Sophia was butt naked in Tootsie but that scene was cut.

No but there used to be some thing on YouTube of Rue McClanahan’s feet — from some TV movie.

Also did Bea skip those season 7 episodes because she had a hysterectomy ? I read that somewhere not sure if here...

always shocked that they leave the scene where a guy tells Blanche that he can cure her of her "lesbianism" because she had never been with a real man

Also....I’m home for a bit watching Laverne & Shirley right now (no comment) and Shirley mentioned going on a date with “Alan Steckler.” Didn’t they have one of the same writers for a while?

It’s funny how some of these writers/creators will just blatantly recycle names like no one will notice.

Blanche states that she was getting her nails done when George died (where he'd been in a coma)... and then later claims she was at home when she got a call from the Police that he had been in an accident and died.

There seem to be conflicting stories about Charlie and what he did for a living and his financial situation.

R279 Maybe she had a manicurist make a house call and the she got the call while she was receiving a topcoat?

R281

The first story she tells indicates he had a long term illness. The second story she tells reveals the death to be an unexpected accident .

r280

I always thought Charlie just changed jobs a lot... My dad was like that(but he was an alcoholic so maybe that's why Charlie couldn't keep a job)

Generally, it makes no sense how they circle back to this theme of "we are family, we are sisters" over and over. Yet in between those assertions, I have never seen four women be so cruel and gaslighting to one another. (Maybe the Kardashians?) I don't know how they could stand to live together being as rude and cutting and vengeful as they all are.

It's really shocking, for instance, how badly they all treat Rose. Occasionally I will laugh but often it's so "mean girls" that I can't even laugh with the studio audience about it.

And finally, the finale of the last season seemed so bizarre, having Dorothy fast-track that wedding to Blanche's uncle and hotfoot it out of there -- after asserting for six seasons how they were always going to be together and take care of one another in their aging years.

She leaves her MOTHER behind with the other girls. Her aging, mercurial, be-strok'd mother? Really?!

It's like she'd been waiting seven seasons, silently scanning, praying for the opportunity to get the hell out to emerge. And when it did, Dorothy was on it like like bees on honey. Blanche's uncle. Yuck.

Blanche's SEXY Uncle R284!

She was going to take the old Gheko with her, but she refused to go.

[quote] She was going to take the old Gheko with her

The old WHO?

R273 Anytime someone died Sophia always claimed they were her best friend even though they were never mentioned or seen.. Gladys Winestock, the Nun, the woman inspired Martha Lamont, and I'm sure there are others. The only constantly mentioned friend she seemed to have was the Gladys that showed up in "Miles to Go" with the Tony Martin concert tickets.

Sophia kept upgrading her friends to "Best" status as the previous title-holders kept dying.

Sophia was a nasty old shit

I just rewatched the "Lebanese" episode. I'm thinking that Sophia's acceptance of Jean may have been a bit too progressive. Sophia was 80 years old, Catholic, and Italian.

Sophia used to have a lessie affair at Shady Pines

The one where Sophia is looking at going to jail for setting fire to Shady Pines was a bridge too far. Just the worst. A two-parter!

It's not like she was fresh off the boat though r290, she had been a New Yorker for most of her life.

The clip shows were the worse. Those must've been real slow days in the writer's room or maybe Susan Harris was having a flare up of her CFS. The faux clip shows which featured flashbacks to scenes that were created just for those episodes were good.

This show's clip shows were less cringeworthy because the clips themselves hold up. It's the linking framework that feels wobbly. No way the writers were going to waste A-level jokes on one of these episodes.

R284, the show just reset on Hallmark and at the end of the pilot it's Bea who says even if they all get married they still be together. They should've introduced Lucas several episodes earlier, if not the whole season. Getting married after 1 episode was ridiculous and totally out of character.

It’s fucking hilarious how Hallmark’s Golden Girls block always loops back to the Pilot on the same night as the finale, so immediately after you watch Dorothy get married and ditch her sobbing friends, you get to watch Dorothy make the girls promise each other they won’t leave if they get married.

If they showed them out of order, some people might complain.

R298 What I meant is, the finale never seems to be the last episode of the night. It’s especially funny seeing the pact they make in the Pilot within thirty minutes of seeing their blubbering faces fading to black.

If they threw [italic]Golden Palace[/italic] into the mix and showed that show's last episode followed by GG's first, you would show how they look like bookends since both involve a fiancée of Blanche's. You also show how much they were straining for ideas in a new setting. What the hell was the point of that nightmarish dream sequence with everybody getting pregnant? They actually forgot about Blanche going through menopause!

[quote] The clip shows were the worse.

Oh, dear!

Betty would never have worked as the sex mad trollop. She was too old and uncooth.

r302

I'm not sure but 2 emmys playing sex/man obsessed SueAnn Nivens on Mary Tyler More may suggest otherwise

R303 for that show and that decade it was great (plus remember Sue Ann was a supporting character and wasn’t even on every episode), but I don’t think she would have been able to take it to that next level to keep it fresh.

Plus Blanche was a lead role and it wasn’t just her coming into a scene and saying some funny lines; it requires some real character development and to be honest I’m not sure Betty would have been able to pull off something like that. Her strengths are totally different.

[quote] She was too old and uncooth.

You may be right, but I’ll bet she can spell.

I have been rewatching some of my favorite episodes (season 4 is a winner). And I have to say, the acting is fucking incredible. Talking about character development and the relationships between the four "girls" -- it is sooo good. They are brilliantly, insanely talented.

The episode where Dorothy starts seeing little shlumpy Eddie, and it turns into a physical-only relationship and she is explaining to Rose how carnal it all is "I'm talking SEX, Rose." It's just so good. So raw and funny. Also the one where Stan is getting married again, and Sohpia has pneumonia, and Dorothy thinks she needs to get back with Stan...really good acting. Really raw and real. God they were talented.

R106 funny that’s my least favorite season. They all looked terrible that year too.

I loved the season when they had the same Buick always coming up the driveway or parked in the driveway. None of those ladies seemed like the Buick type.

Dorothy probably had whatever the 90s version of a Prius was.

Rose probably had a Chevy

Blanche probably had a red convertable

Sophia had a bus pass

Didn't one of them drive a Gremlin? I vaguely remember that R308.

R257 sounds... limited.

R309 Rose drove one in the episode with Enrique Maas. But I’m sure the writers had her driving something else in the very next episode, you know how they are.

What I loved even better was the Buick would pull up at 80 miles an hour in the driveway. WTF

[Quote]God they were talented.

Yes. Bea, Betty and Rue were just giving masterclasses in sitcom acting.

Estelle is more limited, but was pitch perfect delivering a witty one liner.

Remember when the old lady was pinching their cars and going out driving? I would have reported her for Grand Theft Auto and had her locked up!

R314 Agreed, that was not a funny premise. She legit could have killed people!

[quote]What I loved even better was the Buick would pull up at 80 miles an hour in the driveway. WTF

I agree with that. What was that about? There was also the episode when the cab came up the driveway.

THE cab contained Blanche coming home after a bender at The Rusty Anchor

It was speeding because she needed a slash like yesterday

There was a lot of dumb writing on that show. Like the time the girls were "shipwrecked" and Dorothy revealed that Rose had a nose job that she never told Blanche about. Like she could keep that secret from someone she lived with.

She couldn't even hide getting knocked up by a yutz in high school!

Ok, so I am watching S5 Ep 6 "Dancing In The Dark" which is the first episode where Rose starts seeing Miles. It is really glaringly weird to know his whole story arc, and then to go back and revisit this first episode.

He's hosting a dinner party at his place, wherein there is a houseful of uppity college professor "colleagues." How does someone get a legitimate job as a college professor if they are not qualified? He teaches a class on Hemingway! He can keep up intellectually with all the other professors? Really?

Did some fake Ph.D qualifications come with the Witness Relocation package?

Obviously the answer is thus: the Cheeseman plotline was not on anyone's radar when the writers brought Miles into Rose's life. And it really should never have happened. It was ridiculous in the extreme!

Who did the housework? Never saw the girls with a vacuum or lemon-fresh Pledge.

Dorothy dusted when Lorraine's family was coming. Blanche cleaned when her sister Virginia was visiting. Blanche attempted to reshelve the kitchen cabinets. Rose rearranged the kitchen cabinets. Get some Windex for your eyes, R322.

Rose cleaned the garage once.

Since their money situation changed depending on the plot, I choose to assume that they had a cleaning lady come in once a week.

What always annoyed me was when Dorothy and Rose would have to chip in for household repairs like the roof or something like that. What kind of rental agreement did they have with Blanche?

R325 Trying to remember--was the roof repair before, or after, they became co-owners of the house with Blanche?

That was way before they became part owners of the house.

Who mowed the lawn?

They had a gardener. Remember that episode with the Asian gardener?

They had 4 gardeners thanks to Blanche's exposure.

One gardener used his leaf blower to try to blow Dorothy's skirt over her head.

Imagine the image of Dorothy, skirt over her beautiful head, long-John bloomers down to her knees, furry boots halfway up her ankles. Hasn't used a razor since Stan left.

You're forgetting Marg-you-REET?

Rose scrubbed the shitters, showers and baths

Dorothy scrubs the floors and conducts pest control (mice and spiders only)

The Old Lady shifts furniture and cleans the kitchen, which reeks of her smelly maranara sauce

Blanche lightly dusts once per week and cleans the windows (in a skimpy negligee which exposes her perky bosom)

Remember when Blanche couldn't pronounce bleach? Are we to presume that the other women did her laundry?

Blanche only needed Sophia's assistance removing semen stains after her all nighters at The Rusty Wanker

I bet Coco was that homeless bag lady Rose saw that one time.

BLEE-ACH

All these threads for a 35 year old fictional TV show about 4 old ladies. Geez.

The jealous Linda Bloodworth-Thomason at R339

Did Blanche take her bra off during sex?

Her tits are too small to wear a bra.

I always hated that joke, R338. It would've even been ridiculous as a Rose joke.

How would a spoiled woman like Blanche have gone from having a nanny, never change a diaper, rich to doing her own chores? Don't see it, George left her rich.

4 old ladies go to a Madonna concert?

"And Charles Nelson Reilly!" *dead silence*

Madonna wasn't even that big in 1985. Her show wouldn't have been an EVENT.

Well, since it was in the script I’d believe she was and it would’ve been. Otherwise everyone would say, “Who?!” when they referred to her.

That didn’t happen.

You're right, R347. By the time the episode premiered, Madonna only had 7 top 10 singles, 2 which hit #1, 1 which lasted 6 weeks. Constant play on MTV, appearing on Live Aid. They should've used someone bigger like Alisha.

R347 is an ass. 1985 was Madonna's HUGE year. Crazy for You hit #1 and Desperately Seeking Susan was top box office. FU!

Like a sturgeon, hooked for the very first time!

The producers of Grab That Dough would send the tickets out four months in advance and not bother to check in with them at all before tape date?

r352

I was just coming here to complain about this episode... it surprises me that it is from season 3 because later seasons had plots that made no sense but so many issues with this episode

And then the hotel clerk says there's not a vacant room in the entire city? Really? Not one hotel room in all of LA? Maybe if the Olympics were taking place but they don't even give a reason like conventions or anything.

r354

This episode also suffers due to edit for syndication. I think the clerk did explain that there was a convention but it is cut in most versions now

R352 R353 R354 The construction of this episode is soooo terrible. Nothing about it is believable. From the tickets being sent to Sicily first, to them all agreeing to fly a redeye at the last minute across the country, to sleeping in the hotel lobby for $75. And then having all their purses stolen while sleeping, even though it's not a shithole hotel, and the desk attendant is right there, and any sane person would have used their purse as a pillow anyway expressly to avoid having it swiped. NO WOMAN would be able to sleep in a public environment with her purse casually on the ground.

Then lo, Sophia has the tickets in here stale old bra! And although they have no money between them, they somehow get to the studio, no problem! They somehow get to the airport, no problem! They somehow get on the plane home, with no tickets -- no problem! They aren't even that upset about losing their purses, which would have included drivers' licenses, credit cards and cash. No biggie!

And then there was the splitting up into factions. How is it that these brothers who have been on a winning streak on the show, suddenly are the most ignorant, low IQ people on earth now because Dorothy and Blanche are on their team? And wouldn't the producer tell them no, you have to be on your own team, that's the whole point, there was a winning team and now you are the new challengers?

The only thing that redeems the episode, is that "Grab That Dough" is a truly funny concept. And Dorothy them in the plexiglass box grabbing chaotically at the flying bills is pretty funny. It's like someone had the funny concept, but then the writers were tasked with building an episode around it. But the scaffolding to get to that moment of them grabbing the dough is so shoddy, it's hard to enjoy the punchline.

they never show their stuff getting taken while sleeping anymore either

not sure why the sound is weird

Like they would suddenly give away the rooms in the middle of the night. Like some people just waltzed in at 3 am for rooms. That's just nuts.

R357 Yeah, they got their purses stolen in the episode you linked. I think the they sped up the voices so to evade copyright infringement laws.

R355, I used to think that too. While that scene is edited a bit for syndication, I own it on DVD and the clerk never gives a reason why there isn't a vacant room in the city.

r356, there's also the issue of a flight arriving at 2am in LA. If Miami to LA is about a 5 1/2 hour flight, the last flight out would be about 10 or 10:30 and getting in to LAX before 1am. I don't know about then, but now, the last one leaves at 9 and arrives in LA at 11:30.

The idea that they were arriving to LAX and not getting to the hotel until after 3am seems absurd enough anyways, but that the hotel cancels their reservations at 3, and someone else was there to take their room, and there's a convention (maybe the clerk lied to get the $75?), and none of them think to watch their purses in a hotel lobby in a major city where the disreputable clerk has just screwed them.

Yeah, it's a lot to swallow.

Grab that ho!

I was confused a few episodes prior when fat Becky comes. At the very end, after she and Blanche make up, the next scene Becky leaves, everyone sits down and sighs. Then Sophia says "I thought we agreed we wouldn't talk about the children." I never understood that. Did she mean Becky and Jeremy? Was Becky pregnant by Jeremy or did she have a kid with him already?

Jeremy was such an asshole. I wished there was a scene where Dorothy lost it and kicked the shit out of him for treating Original Becky like shit. Honestly Becky #2 was better when it's usually the original actors who are better (Gloria, Dennis, Kiersten).

R8 , George did set up a Trust fund for his illegitimate son .

So were any of the "girls" good parents, or no? They sure don't allude to it. Sophia, with all her "pussycat" nonsense, seems like she doesn't have maternal bone in her body. Stan's mother hated him. Golden Girls presents a spicy take on the richness of post-menopausal life, but the take on motherhood is that it was basically a thankless chore at best, an untimely curse at worst. And seems to be low on the priority list all around.

I am the wolf

The big bad wolf

Let's talk about Empty Nest. That show gets no love.

r369 Really?

Just watched the switched at birth story. If Gina was the same age as Dorothy, were we supposed to believe that she was just getting married in her late 50s

I also watched the Blanche's slutty niece episode. Quite a hypocritical episode, but they never stated which of Blanche's siblings sired the slut.

And we never saw the niece again, even though she was supposedly going to school in Miami.

Tell me about it, R372.

Blanche's relatives always arrive and then two seconds later, leave. David goes to meet kids on the corner, Lucy goes to get fucked, Big Daddy goes to check out the space for his performance. Odd.

[quote] I also watched the Blanche's slutty niece episode. Quite a hypocritical episode, but they never stated which of Blanche's siblings sired the slut.

Episodes like that are why I rarely rewatch season one episodes unless it’s in the context of doing a marathon of the whole series or if I am in public and that’s what’s on the TV.

I assumed the kids David met on the corner were young male prostitutes.

R375, where are you going in public that The Golden Girls are on? Bathhouses?

They used to run GG on a loop at The Cock

Are used to belong to a gym where the treadmills had personal TVs on them and sometimes I would watch it there. Even while panting and sweating, I could always tell where stuff was cut.

Are = I

I witnessed a huge barroom brawl break out once when half the Marys wanted to watch Golden Girls and the other half wanted to watch Designing Women. It was so horrible. Blood and broken glass everywhere.

I survived by casually walking out of the room unnoticed while whistling [italic]the Facts of Life[/italic] theme song.

I know it was never stated but it seems most likely that Lucy could've been Charmaine's daughter.

What was the order of the Hollingsworth sisters? I'm thinking Virginia, Blanche, then Charmaine. As for the brothers, I'm gonna assume they were bookends. The special needs brother was the oldest of all the kids and the gay brother was the baby of the family, since Blanche refers to him as her baby brother.

I think it was also in the game show episode when it's mentioned they have to go to Hollywood and Rose asks, "Hollywood, California?" And they act like she's a moron. However, they're from Miami... Hollywood, FL is 30 minutes away and a pretty touristy area, so it wasn't exactly a stupid thing for Rose to ask.

Why would a hospital even CONSIDER Rose as an administrator with her qualifications. And Dorothy wrote a cover letter in pencil, not even a resume. Was Rose supposed to type that up before her extremely early 8:30am interview?

[quote] Blood and broken glass everywhere.

I can only imagine the amount of thread and fabric required to sew up those torn caftans.

A memorial quilt was made from all the torn up caftans to honor the men who died that night.

[quote] but they never stated which of Blanche's siblings sired the slut.

She would only have one sibling capable of that.

Was Tad named Tad because he was just a tad special?

I don't have time to look it up right this second, but I am sure the Girls made at least one if not more references to Donald Trump on the show. Like, in a negative light. Can anyone remember that?

Seeing how free the writers felt to have the characters complain about Bush Sr, I would LOVE to know how a show like Golden Girls would tackle a Trump presidency.

Dorothy said that some fat old guy on Jeopardy was the anti-Trump. I don't remember who it was though.

When Sophia was getting married, the girls were talking about getting married again, and Blanche says any man she would marry would have to have the resources of Mr. Donald Trump. LOL

Sophia said that if she banged Trump they'd have to peel her off the ceiling.

Merv Griffin was the anti trump

Christmas 1989 episode. NO ONE goes home to their families or have family visit? All but Rose decide at the last minute to volunteer at the shelter. Did they not plan to cook a big dinner already? Sophia the devout Catholic was going to watch Scarface? Cheese slices on top of the apple pie?

I was gonna post that they actually had it snow in Miami during an Xmas episode. Then I found this.

R396 As invested in this show as I am, I guess I have to parrot some of the more cynical DL's on this topic and say...hey, it was just a TV show. Because there is no way in reality that the Girls would have their own little Christmas and then go to the shelter with Rose to help. And there is no way that Stan would end up there in a raggedy Santa suit. At the same shelter. In all of Miami. He would have reached out to the Girls, like he's always doing in every other episode. Or to Kate or Michael. But the truth is, the Girls would have flown to be with at least one of their kids. Or had their kids' families come to them. The only people who don't go to family for Christmas are people who either don't have family, or are estranged from their children in a bad way. But the Stan thing was the lest believable part of it all.

I HATE that Christmas episode. Dorothy comes home from the mall complaining about the heat, swaddled in 5 layers of clothing. Sophia mentions grandkids. Which grandkids? Hers? Dorothy's? It's like the day before the holiday. How are the gifts getting there? Yes, it's just a TV show, but the writing is LAZY.

The Mangiacavello curse episode (which I hate), there's this huge thing with Blanche being reluctant to lend Dorothy her fuckbuddy Doug. They build him up to be this big thing and they cast probably the least attractive guy they've had on the show to play him.

r400

that ep is easily in the top 3 WORST episodes

Aunt Blanche???

R400 well its not like they could show us Doug's massive 10 inch cock!

No, but they could've at least cast someone who was in the same league as Donnelly Rhodes and the mink vet looks wise.

r402

they could have at least suggested something like that though like Ernie

Was Doug Mr. September in the Men of Blanche's Boudoir Calendar?

Who doesn't long for a Very Special Episode of The Golden Girls, in which Blanche thinks that goody-two-shoes Dorothy is making a huge unnecessary stink about the dangers of this new disease sweeping through the US called the Novel Coronavirus? And they have a blow out fight because Blanche refuses to wear a mask, and refuses to stop bedding men?

And Then Blanche gets the Covid and ends up on a respirator?

And then none of Blanche's kids come to visit her in the hospital, and it is never discussed nor addressed why?

R405, Charlie Nylund should've been October since it was alluded in another episode that he was hung. Then Rose would've found out much sooner that Blanche slept with him. Then we wouldn't have had the rest of that convoluted Christmas episode.

I wish they aired the original series finale where Rose finally snaps after nearly a decade of abuse from her roommates, murders all 3 of them, frames Stan for it and then sells the house after forging Blanche's will and runs off to be with Jean.

I would argue that Dorothy suffered much more abuse than Rose.

R409 Tell us more. Cuz that seems wrong to me.

I might need to explore this channel...

where's the Revenge of the Golden Girls Incontinence Thread?

Kate and Allie would kick GG ass!

[quote]there's also the issue of a flight arriving at 2am in LA. If Miami to LA is about a 5 1/2 hour flight, the last flight out would be about 10 or 10:30 and getting in to LAX before 1am. I don't know about then, but now, the last one leaves at 9 and arrives in LA at 11:30.

This is fucking hilarious.

Well if we give them the benefit of the doubt their flight might not have been direct or it could have been delayed. I took a flight from Miami to LA once with a departure time of 6 pm and we were so delayed we didn't get in until 3 am.

R414 You're right, that is hilarious, actually

Even though I've seen all the episodes multiple times, I always notice something new (or that I'd forgotten.) Did you know Rose had a daughter named Jeanella? Surprised the hell out of me.

Yes, she was born The Day of the Princess Pig. Everyone knows that.

When the three "girls" moved to The Golden Palace, who bought Blanche's house?

R419 Honestly, I would have rather watched a series about whoever bought Blanche's house than the atrocious Golden Palace. Seriously, it would have been comforting to still see the house every week. And like, yeah...who lives there now? Let's find out! Great premise.

probably a Puerto Rican family.

Hallmark went from the NuKirsten episodes to the 1st episode today... Dorothy says Stan is 65 so how she be in her mid 50s if they went to high school together? Hmmm...

Why did Dorothy shit on Rose’s bedroom floor?

Stan wasn't supposed to be in high school with Dorothy, was he?

R424 Stan wasn't necessarily the same age as Dorothy...but would he have been a full decade older than her? And going to prom with her?? That'd be even way more skeezy than he already is portrayed.

Anyone remember the backstory of how they met? Is there one?

They were married from 1946-1984. Dorothy was born in 1930.

R 426 Ok so that right there is an example of how completely "off" these timelines are presented in the show. Oy vey.

r427

It was the first ep so I can give it some leeway but not 10+ some years

In the Mr. Gordon episode, Sophia mentions a date in her calendar when she was free from when Shady Pines burned down. Dorothy comments that the calendar is from 1984. The show debuted in 1985. The writers couldn't even get that right.

[quote]They were married from 1946-1984. Dorothy was born in 1930.

She got married when she was 16? How/when did she attend college?

DOROTHY WOULD NEVER BE A COMPULSIVE GAMBLER.

Speaking of prom, did we ever find out what happened to the real Cindy Lou Peeples and Kim Fung Toi? I'd love to know what they thought of Dorothy and Rose stealing their identities.

R432 That episode was hilarious until Rose collapsed from a heart attack.

Hogwash, R433!

I am the wolf (boom boom) the big bad wolf (boom boom). Hello.

The one thing that's been in more motel rooms and she still can't get it right.

How come Dorothy's surname is sometimes pronounced like Zuh-bornak? What IS the actual pronunciation?

[quote]I also agree that the original actor who played Kate's husband was hot and the 2nd actor was meh.

But the second Dennis had a nice ass on him!

[quote]Did Rose wax her pussy?

Apparently not, since she is mystified that Blanche shaves 'above the knee.'

So she got a Rose bush.

[quote]The Golden Palace introduced Tad, Blanche's retarded brother. We'd certainly never heard about him before.

Whose group home was in Chattanooga. Was Blanche visiting him in GG when she was arrested there twice for 1) driving with her shirt off, and 2) greasing up her hands at a party?

R253 Why does that make it awful writing? Because Sophia isn't presented as a perfect Mary Sue as many female characters are wont to be written nowadays? Flawed characters are more interesting and funny. And in real life, everyone has flaws.

R277 why is that shocking? It was funny, especially Blanche's reaction.

Dorothy got pregnant/married as a teenager r430, they were consistent on that. She went to college as a mother, which is fine.

What doesn't make sense is how she had a college roommate!

r425

Herb Edelman was born in 1933, Bea Arthur was born in 1922

[quote]The Golden Palace introduced Tad, Blanche's retarded brother. We'd certainly never heard about him before.

Where did they get that idea from?

[quote]And while I am impressed with the degree of cross-referencing of the minutiae of GG that was lovingly compiled on that thread, the matter of DOROTHY'S EVER-CHANGING PROM STORIES has not been thoroughly examined to my satisfaction.

You want the real story of Dorothy's prom?

Ok, I'll tell you, you anal-retentive, flamin' homo Yutz!

My daughter Dorothy didn't get invited to Prom - she got her looks from her father, what can I say?

But she caught a virus that Spring that caused her to have high fevers.

Night after night, I sat by her bed, bathing her with alcohol, and trying to bring down her fever.

Finally, her fever broker but it affected her short-term memory for that period - she couldn't remember what happened and she couldn't retain memories of that period.

As she recovered, she'd ask me to tell her stories about her Prom, so I told her some stories.

How was I supposed to know we were going to be cross-examined by the big gay Encyclopedia Brown?

Doesn't Stan fire all his employees when they threaten to unionize at his Xmas party?

Dorothy gets a buzz from champagne 30 seconds after she drinks it.

Sophia volunteering Rose to give the eulogy at the funeral of someone she doesn't know. Like they wouldn't have family or friends in mind to give it?

How in God's name was Rose qualified to be associate producer of Wakeup Miami? She seemed organized and had the essential clipboard, but she was unqualified.

R444 Incredible. You freaking nailed it. xo