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Revenge of the "Golden Girls Inconsistencies Thread"

The Riddle of Dorothy's Prom" edition.

As the coronavirus saga soldiers on, I have found myself with the time to re-watch all seven seasons of The Golden Girls in the span of about two weeks. The incalculable inconsistencies are so much more glaring when you binge an entire seasons in two days. I googled "Golden Girls inconsistencies" because I was feeling so agitated and confused at how very, very many inconsistencies were allowed to happen on the show. Up popped a Datalounge thread of over 700 posts dating from 2007 to 2009. I have now read every post. And while I am impressed with the degree of cross-referencing of the minutiae of GG that was lovingly compiled on that thread, the matter of DOROTHY'S EVER-CHANGING PROM STORIES has not been thoroughly examined to my satisfaction.

As far as I can tell, these are all the versions of her prom story:

1. Dorothy went to the prom with Stan and WAS impregnated on prom night (she may or may not have been black-out drunk when they had sex).

2. She went to prom with Stan (and helped him tie his tie) but Dorothy did NOT get pregnant that night--she got pregnant during a drive-in movie makeout session. (Here, too, she may or may not have been black-out drunk when they had sex).

3. Dorothy went to the prom with her brother Phil.

4. Dorothy was supposed to go to the prom with badboy John Neuretti, but Sophia turned him away. Dorothy thought she had been stood up, and she stayed home.

5. Dorothy never went to her prom because no one even asked her. This is the butt of a joke on one episode.

BONUS PROM INCONSISTENCIES:

*Dorothy went to the prom in her "tennis whites" because of a practical joke that "her frenemy Trudy played on her.

*Conversely, Dorothy looked so beautiful coming down the stairs on her way to the prom, that Sophia told her it was the most special mother/daughter memory of their lives.

*If she DID go to the prom with Stanley, due to his being defined in an early episode as 65 to Dorothy's mid-50s, (so let's say a 10 year age gap) then Stan would have been 27 or 28 at her senior prom. THERE IS NO WAY IN SICILIAN HELL that Sophia and Sal Petrillo would have let Dorothy go to her senior prom with an almost 30 year old man. He would have been fitted for cement shoes before that would happen.

*Then there are the pregnancy age discrepancies, which would impact all the prom scenarios above. Because if Dorothy truly got "knocked up" while still in high school, then honestly--would she have gone to the prom with Stan? Pregnant? Or even more implausible....as a new mother with milky bosoms??

*Also, surely Johnny Neuretti would not have asked Dorothy to prom if she was already carrying Stan's child, or even weirder, was a nursing teen mother planning a shotgun wedding?

It's all so convoluted and crazy. The creators invented a wonderful series, wrote a strong, compelling character called Dorothy Zbornak, cast Bea Fucking Arthur to brilliantly embody this three-dimensional character so brilliantly. And then they fucked it all up by forcing the viewer out of this deliciously wrought universe every episode as we strain to connect the unconnectable dots of Dorothy's backstory--a backstory that runs strong and deep through every season, and which literally shaped her entire adult life.

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 301Last Sunday at 4:45 AM

She may have went all 4 years of high school as a date for different guys. And it's possible that more than one event described above happened at a single prom.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 108/04/2020

I thought of that R1, but they refer to every Dorothy prom scenario as "The Prom." Which to me reads as the Senior Prom. Whereas they refer to someone attending a "Junior Prom" with another character, maybe Rose?

But that's true, there's typically a Jr. and Sr. prom in high school. It just really seems like they are always talking about Dorothy's Senior Prom. The Prom.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 208/04/2020

Neretti, OP. John Neretti.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 308/04/2020

Has anyone noticed the inside of the house was nothing like the outside?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 408/04/2020

Why didn't Dorothy have any visible reaction when she found out who he DID end up marrying.?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 508/04/2020

R5 You're right, Dorothy totally glazes over the revelation that John married the beautiful popular perfect girl. No reaction.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 608/04/2020

I have to say that as cool as the Blanche, Dorothy and Rose are...I hate every single one of their children and grandchildren. Their siblings tend to totally, totally suck as well and they seem relatively estranged from everyone in their life aside from Dorothy's ex Stan. Dorothy sees Stan 1000x more than she sees or references either of her children, and she seemingly has no other friends on earth besides the girls, and Stan.

GG relatives that aren't punchable? Gay Clayton and Uncle Lucas.

Uncle Angelo mayyyybe gets a pass, cuz he's old and occasionally says something witty? But he was a horrible liar to his entire family, living a lie for his whole adult life. And he took that free apartment Dorothy and Stan set him up with totally for granted. So nah, he's a jerk.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 708/04/2020

For being such a heartwarming chicken-soup-for-the-soul kind of show...there wasn't actually a lot of authentic love on the show! The women berated each other night and day. They were psychologically abusive to Rose--Dorothy even would smack Rose with newspapers and magazines. They all piled up on Dorothy for her looks, including her own mother, who could be just emotionally ruthless towards Dorothy. Sophia also constantly called Blanche a slut and a tramp in Blanche's own home.

Stan's mother was a horrible person who doesn't love her son. She's the reason he's so messed up and codependent.

And massive-scale sibling estrangements, and some degree of estrangement from seemingly all of their children.

Blanche's beloved George, the absolute love of her life, and father of her (three, four or six?) children--the only man to whom she was completely faithful--stepped out on her, fathering a secret love child that George then ignores his whole life (and whom he clearly didn't support financially). It's all a bit bleak!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 808/04/2020

R7, Blanche's grandson in S1 was pretty good and had one of the best lines on the show: "you can kiss my attitude".

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 908/04/2020

Dorothy was a liar and a fraud. Remember when Rose was looking for a job and Dorothy sat down on her bed, grabbed a legal pad and made up a bunch of fake job details for Rose's resume?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1008/04/2020

[R7] I hate all the children except for skinny Rebekah. She just wanted to have a baby and the Town Slut acted like she said she wanted to become a drug dealer. Michael is hot, but what a loser. He's told to grow up and storms off like a baby. Kate comes to Dorothy after she gets cheated on and is appalled that Dorothy has an opinion on her stupidly staying with ugly Dennis(the first one was much better looking.) Steven Sanders' mom was a stuck up witch and then when she found out Rose was poor she got upset because it meant no trust fund for misgendered Charlie and no more Country Club. I skip the episodes with Clayton because I hate how Blanche treats him, so can't recall how he is. Aunt Angela was played so well that she gets a pass for being a man stealing whore.

[R8] I never thought abusing Rose was funny or straight up saying Dorothy looked like a man all the time.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1108/04/2020

Oh joy, another Golden Girls thread.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1208/04/2020

R12 It's COVID times, please don't begrudge us a fresh Golden Girls diversion.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1308/04/2020

I love you, OP.

Here's another Prom inconsistency:

Dorothy tells her mother she's going to prom with a football player, then hides in the basement slow dancing with a rake and attempting to give herself a hickey with the vacuum cleaner.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1408/28/2020

i just assumed Dorothy was just a pathological liar.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1508/28/2020

^Only when asked if she had a penis.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1608/28/2020

The show may have had its inconsistencies, but those girls could whirlybird in unison like nothing I've ever seen!!!

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1708/28/2020

Dorothy didn't feel guilty about being the other woman even though she herself felt the pain of being cheated on.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1808/31/2020

All four girls had dementia.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 1908/31/2020

Dorothy was supposed to be born around 1930 so her prom would have been around 1948. She would have had her baby in 1949.

If I recall correctly she has two children. Michael was 23 in the episode he came to visit and Kate was no more than 30.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2008/31/2020

And why on earth was her high school reunion IN. MIAMI?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2108/31/2020

If there had to be one, consistent story about Stan and Dorothy, this would be it:

1. Stan & Dorothy are same or similar age.

2. Stan & Dorothy went to Dorothy's (and maybe Stan's, also) *senior* prom together.

3. Dorothy got drunk on prom night, passed out (maybe blacked out), and Stan fornicated upon Dorothy's comatose body.

4. Dorothy got pregnant on prom night but was able to graduate from high school with her class. (Her pregnancy was not super-obvious until after graduation.)

5. Stan and Dorothy got married some time after Dorothy graduated from high school, but before Dorothy gave birth to their first child.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2208/31/2020

Well at least Dorothy's children are consistent. How many kids do Blanche and Rose have. It varies episode to episode. The only constants are Janet and Rebecca for Blanche and Kirsten for Rose.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2308/31/2020

NO ONE CARES, ROSE!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2408/31/2020

Michael and Kate are both referenced in a conversation between Dorothy and Sophia in a mid-50's flashback when Dorothy asks Sophia to watch the kids so that she can get a second job to save up for a television.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2508/31/2020

[R18] The marriage was over for years according to him, so a bit different.

[R21] Why was Phillip's funeral in Miami? Why was Blanche's sorority reunion in Miami? They made no effort to make the setting of these events realistic.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2609/01/2020

Watching "It's a Living" reruns, I can't get over how much Golden Girls and It's a Living had in common. Tom Whedon worked on both shows but never realized the similarities until recently. And I watched both during their original respective runs. They were both on Saturday nights in NY.

The episode where everyone agrees to be in Dot's production of Little Red Riding Hood because the cast got sick.

The one where Amy's pen pal escapes from prison.

One episode had Sonny auditioning for Jullliard and it's the same set they used for Kid Pepe's audition.

Ann Jillian's exchange to Crystal Bernard on having a dog is the exact same one Rose and Blanche have in the paper parrot episode.

Both shows also used the exact same dark wood backings, which worked fine for office spaces on Golden Girls, but looked terrible for hotel interiors on It's a Living.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2709/01/2020

Didn't Cindy Williams guest star as Dorothy's daughter Kate?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2809/01/2020

Was it ever made clear when Dorothy, Stan, and Sophia moved down to Miami?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 2909/01/2020

r29

especially since they bought land there on their honeymoon

Also I don't think Blanche's reunion was in miami, she packed a bag and came back early

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3009/01/2020

[quote] Why was Blanche's sorority reunion in Miami?

To be fair, do we know where Blanche went to college?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3109/01/2020

Michael and Kate are supposed to be about 2 years apart.

Dorothy got pregnant with her first at around 18 and in another episode Sophia says Dorothy was pregnant at 20.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3209/01/2020

R31, she said it one episode. It was some kind of finishing school. It was Miss something. Not Miss Porter's, but something like that.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3309/01/2020

R29 It's never clear when Blanche and George left Atlanta for Miami either. Rose moved to Miami a year or so before the start of the series, but I don't think any of the other girls got that part of their backstory told.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3409/01/2020

The girls had already been living together for a year or two when the series opens.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3509/01/2020

Blanche's kids must've lived in the house with her and George for several years. Why else would they buy a 4 bedroom house? They weren't hoarders.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3609/01/2020

r28 No.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3709/01/2020

R33: Miss MacGuyver. You know, the one who shared a one bedroom apartment with Miss McGhee off campus......

R23: Don't forget Bridget. She's the one that fucked afro Michael. She's never seen again but Rose still mentions her.

R20: First Kate is 30 at most, and a much better actress. Second Kate is dowdy and could pass for over 40 a bit, but she's a worse actor. So Kate could have been the love child, 2nd Kate at least. It's hilarious, its the inverse with Dennis. 1st Dennis is hot but a horrible actor, 2nd can act but was chunky and meh looking.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3809/01/2020

I posted this in the Dorothy Zbornak thread, so I'll just quote it:

[quote]In 6x11 (Stand By Your Man), Dorothy has that running gag throughout the episode where she talks too long about something and then finishes with, “Who are you to judge me?!” One of the moments is her trailing off and talking about having sex in an airplane lavatory with the pilot! THIS from the loser who had no sex life? I guess it’s not an outright inconsistency but it’s very out of character. And it’s the only moment in the whole series she ever tells a Blanche-y story like that, so it’s kind of a WTF moment whenever I see it.

It's just a really stupid moment overall. They should have left it out.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 3909/01/2020

I just watched the Libertine Bell episode. It was a good episode in theory, but the plot had more holes than Swiss Cheese.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4009/01/2020

not NOW, R40!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4109/01/2020

FFS, if it’s not a bowel movement its some insipid golden girls bullshit. What is there that even a minimally intelligent person could even want to discuss about this?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4209/01/2020

Also, why doesn't Sophia have an Italian accent??

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4309/01/2020

Why doesn’t Angela, who lived in Sicily even longer than Sophia?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4409/01/2020

Actually, the high school reunion in Miami is not necessarily an inconsistency. So many Brooklynites of that generation moved down to Florida, their high schools actually had reunions in that area.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4509/01/2020

Why was Rose's daughter portrayed as a genius on the episode where she beds Michael, Dorothy's dead-end son?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4609/01/2020

Dorothy's multiple prom experiences can be explained by physics. Each occured but in different timelines brought together by a rip in the space time continuum.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4709/01/2020

^^^uncanny resemblance to Yoda

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4809/01/2020

She's a lying, frigid cunt.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 4909/01/2020

R49 I'm the homecoming queen, you bitch!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5009/01/2020

R46: They just needed Bridget to be successful and in college, to contrast with starving artist/musician Michael. When opposites attract. What's stupid about that episode is that they fuck and Dorothy and Sophia get completely bent out of shape about it. And that's the focus of the back half of the episode. Rose has one 2 minute chat with Bridget about it and that's it. It's not proportional. That or the Bridget actress really sucked at emoting so they kept the scene short.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5109/01/2020

Blance and George must have moved to Miami when their kids were adults since Blanche made that comment to her daughter who was being artificially inseminated about going downstairs to scream for the governess.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5209/01/2020

It's telling that Blanche had no pictures in the house of any of her kids or George.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5309/01/2020

It also made no sense for George's brother to go visit Blanche to talk to her about her mother-in-law's will when Blanche wasn't given anything.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5409/01/2020

Dorothy once references something about Stan slipping something in her drink and she thought she was moving the gearshitft . Then she made a comment about doing her part for the war effort by sleeping with Stan. I always assumed she meant ww2 but I guess it could have been the Korean war.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5509/01/2020

In the episode when George's brother visits Dorothy says something about feeling like she's having dejavu to when she was 14, only now Sophia is her and she is Sophia. Rose asks her what she's going to do and Dorothy says clearly she's not going to let her go to the Prom!

So maybe Dorothy was going to proms as a Freshman!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5609/01/2020

Whet to Stan's third wife

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5709/01/2020

R53 Relatives were being recast left and right! Only the late/ex husbands, Michael, Rebecca 2.0 and Sophia's siblings stayed the same.

R43 R44 I can understand Sophia and Angela losing their accents, but their mother not having one after only being in the U.S. for a couple of years is unforgivable. Was learning an Italian accent too hard for Bea or did she just not bother?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5809/01/2020

Why did we never see Charlie?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 5909/01/2020

R58: Afro Michael who fucked Bridget is the same straight hair Michael that fucked Lorraine? Are you sure?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6009/01/2020

R60/R58: I stand corrected. It's the same guy. God, he looks so different with that stache and for the first time we see him.

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6109/01/2020

"The creators invented a wonderful series, wrote a strong, compelling character called Dorothy Zbornak, cast Bea Fucking Arthur to brilliantly embody this three-dimensional character so brilliantly. And then they fucked it all up by forcing the viewer out of this deliciously wrought universe every episode as we strain to connect the unconnectable dots of Dorothy's backstory--a backstory that runs strong and deep through every season, and which literally shaped her entire adult life."

MARY!!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6209/01/2020

Both versions of Michael are hot!!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6309/01/2020

R63: NO! That mustache and fro? Becky, please!! He's much cuter in my pic above. That Michael can take me anytime he wishes.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6409/01/2020

I loved pornstache Michael!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6509/01/2020

Michael goes from 26 to 23 to 30.

They say his age in nearly every appearance but it was never consistent.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6609/01/2020

We sort of saw Charlie in Golden Palace.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6709/01/2020

Scott looked like he could be Bea and Herb's son in real life.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6809/01/2020

R68: It was great casting for that role. 2nd Kate was good as the love child, as far as looks went. Her acting wasn't that great, but hey, you can't have it all.

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 6909/01/2020

I also agree that the original actor who played Kate's husband was hot and the 2nd actor was meh. Also the insisting on calling Dorothy "Mother Dorothy" was bizarre.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7009/01/2020

R70: Some writer had the Calcutta line and wanted to use it, so away they went with it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7109/01/2020

R8 George did support David financially though a trust fund in Dallas that’s how he found out blanches address.

1st Kirsten looked more like rose then the second one and wasn’t dumpy.

The first Gloria was a much better actress and resembled Dorothy much more then the second Gloria.

Kate #1 looked like she could be Stan and Dorothys kid the second one looked like she had a stinky pussy.

Neither Rebecca was model pretty nor was her slut niece Lucy.

Blanches 2 sisters were prettier then she was.

The storyline about Dorothy being switched at birth but both glorias were tall and looked like Dorothy.

The flashback Dorothy was great, nan Martin couldn’t done the Sophias part since she could do an Italian accent as philomena.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7209/01/2020

I think they recast Gloria just so they could do the joke of Sophia’s two tall daughters.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7309/01/2020

One more question, did Bea get a facelift between season 6 and 7?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7409/01/2020

I though bea had a lot of work done between Maude and golden girls

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7509/01/2020

What a forensic investigation.

You should write a TV series called CSI: Miami, Miami, You’ve Got Style!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7609/01/2020

Johnny Neuretti

Oh, dear.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7709/01/2020

R60, it took me years to accept that it was same actor. The voice kind of sounds the same but he looked like a totally different to me. The clean cut version is quite an improvement. His younger brother played Blanche's grandson David in the first season.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7809/01/2020

One thing that annoyed me was when they did the same dress joke twice. First with Blanche and Sophia and then with Dorothy and Blanche.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 7909/01/2020

My favorite episode is the one where Rose sets out to find the perfect rescue cat for her curmudgeonly client at the grief center. The B plot was Blanche getting pelvic mesh surgery with hilarious and slapstick, sexy outcomes.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8009/01/2020

He was away on business, Rose at R59

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8109/01/2020

"His younger brother played Blanche's grandson David in the first season."

Mind blown. I had no idea they were related.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8209/01/2020

R79, I thought that was funny! I figured they were going to be lazy and have them have the same dress again, but I cracked up when Sophia came out wearing Blanche's dress.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8309/01/2020

R82, I have an even bigger scoop for you - Mars bars are made right here on Earth.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8409/01/2020

Wasn't second Kate in It's a Living?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8509/01/2020

R85, I'm the one who mistook her for Cindy Williams upthread. She was played by Deena Freeman, who was on Too Close For Comfort.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8609/01/2020

r57

She left him... I think that's in the ep where Stan is Santa

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8709/02/2020

Did Rose wax her pussy?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8809/02/2020

[R87] He goes back to her at the end of the episode.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 8909/02/2020

R88 No, because she had never heard of shaving above the knee.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9009/02/2020

[quote]Also the insisting on calling Dorothy "Mother Dorothy" was bizarre.

At least it wasn't Jerry calling Eve Arden's character "Mother Hubbard."

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9109/02/2020

Did Blanche really engage in incest when she was a teenager? It's stated several times that Blanche messed around with her cousins.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9209/02/2020

The front door in the Petrillo's Brooklyn house changed locations at some point between the 1950s and the 1980s.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9309/02/2020

Did Mr. Terrific have AIDS?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9409/02/2020

No, but Rose's romantic interest in the vacation from hell episode/Dorothy's video game student from season 7 did.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9509/02/2020

Joe Mama?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9609/02/2020

R93 it also ended up on the ground floor when they wheeled Dorothy's grandmother in and you could see grass behind.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9709/02/2020

I thought the second Gloria looked a lot more like Dorothy than the first one, R72!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9809/02/2020

They never dressed like Florida.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 9909/02/2020

Someone mentioned It's a Livinig and I thought I'd mention that in the Christmas episode where they feed the homeless, the kitchen at the Church is the Kitchen set from It's a Living, which was also the Kitchen used in Benson.

Also the Golden Girls kitchen was a re-used set from the show, "It Takes Two," which starred Richard Crenna, Patty Duke, Helen Hunt and Anthony Edwards.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10009/04/2020

It Takes Two is on YouTube. Watch it!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10109/04/2020

R101: I watched episode 1. The mother-in-law who lives with them was Rose. Pure and simple, long pointless stories and all. Susan Harris simply transferred the character from that of a daffy, senile grandmother to a daffy pea-brain from Minnesota.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10209/04/2020

Anthony Edwards' 1982 mullet looks great on him in 'It Takes Two.'

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10309/04/2020

It Takes Two (1982-83): Patty Duke was too young to play Helen Hunt's mother (only 17 years apart in age). Richard Crenna was 20 years older than Patty, yet they were married on the show.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10409/04/2020

[quote] Patty Duke was too young to play Helen Hunt's mother (only 17 years apart in age).

Excuse me, R104, that seems perfectly reasonable. I don't see anyone having a problem with me playing Bea's mother when she was a year older than me!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10509/04/2020

The Exterior shots of the house didn't match the front porch of the house!!!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10609/04/2020

The kitchen window would be looking into Sophia's bedroom.

It would've made more sense if they made the house a two story with all of the bedrooms and both bathrooms upstairs.

The door in the kitchen leading to the garage which should be right next to the living room reminds me of how the rooms in Clue had secret passages leading to other rooms diagonally across the board.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10709/04/2020

[quote] googled "Golden Girls inconsistencies" because I was feeling so agitated and confused at how very, very many inconsistencies were allowed to happen on the show.

And probably every show of that vintage. What is wrong with you, OP? Are you on the spectrum?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10809/04/2020

[quote]Because if Dorothy truly got "knocked up" while still in high school, then honestly--would she have gone to the prom with Stan? Pregnant?

If she got knocked up on prom night she wouldn't have shown before graduation.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 10909/04/2020

R55, she once jokes that she was in the search party for missing bandleader Glenn Miller, so I think we can assume she meant WWII.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11009/04/2020

When Sophia lost her glasses and accidentally exited the front door (thinking she was on her way to her bedroom) it's only 2 seconds before cars honk. Really? Just 2 seconds to get down that long driveway?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11109/04/2020

R111 It's the timing of the joke. Any longer and it diminishes the humor in it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11209/05/2020

Kill yourself, OP. Fuck the Olden Cunts.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11309/05/2020

How come Dreyfuss never fucked Rose? She was up for it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11409/05/2020

On the first episode with Max Weinstock, Sophia tells Rose and Blanche that "Esther Weinstock was my best friend. We grew up together." Really? Esther lived in Sicily?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11509/05/2020

Sophia's dentures slipped, R115. She meant to say "We threw up together."

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11609/05/2020

Sophia was a lying old bastard.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11709/05/2020

It's sad that Jean never appeared again. Was her love for Rose so strong that she couldn't bear to be around her? Did she sacrifice her friendship with Dorothy so she would never have to see Rose again?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11809/05/2020

She was trapped in Lebanon.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 11909/05/2020

R111, that always drove me nuts too!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12009/05/2020

R111 and R120 I think because Sophia thought she had just stepped into her bedroom, she whipped up her dress, exposing two droopy old titties and snow white pussy.

A horrified driver honked his horn in disgust before almost driving into Freida Claxton's tree/memorial.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12109/05/2020

Esther's maiden name was Conti.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12209/05/2020

Why were Sophia and Dorothy Italian? IRL they're both Jewish!!!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12309/05/2020

Why wouldn't they sit on the other side of the table? What was wrong with that seat? Sophia would always sit at the island. And Dorothy would always sit in the center.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12409/05/2020

[quote] 1st Kirsten looked more like rose then the second one and wasn’t dumpy.

Oh, dear!

[quote] The first Gloria was a much better actress and resembled Dorothy much more then the second Gloria.

Oh, DEAR!

[quote]Blanches 2 sisters were prettier then she was.

Oh, FUCKING DEAR!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12509/05/2020

As much as I loathe "Oh Dear" trolls, I can't help but laugh when they appear.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12609/05/2020

R124 every TV show does this.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12709/05/2020

r127 Only multi-cam shows have to do this, because they're filmed in front of an audience.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12809/05/2020

Yes, and every show back then was filmed in front of an audience.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 12909/05/2020

r124

also someone would have their back to the audience if they all sat at the table

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13009/05/2020

R124 Bea sat in the center because she was able to make people laugh with her look. She sometimes looked almost to the camera and sometimes turned her head from one side to another and people were laughing

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13109/05/2020

Why would an male hetero bar like the Rusty Anchor have a grand piano with a male piano player in it? And the woman's bathroom which looked like something out of a Beverly Hills restaurant? It made absolutely no sense.

And why did NO ONE attend Dorothy's wedding to Lucas? It was the last episode, you think they could have at least splurged a little and had Miles show up.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13209/05/2020

Also her ingrate loser kid’s didn’t show up.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13309/05/2020

I wish there had been a Rusty Anchor spin-off.

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13409/05/2020

R132, it was one of the last episodes of the series. They probably said fuck it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13509/05/2020

[quote] Also her ingrate loser kid’s didn’t show up.

Her kid’s what though?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13609/05/2020

R126, to me, that’s the whole point. Well, maybe not the whole point. One is to educate and the other is to make people laugh.

I’ve always envisioned it as an old school marm clucking her teeth and mumbling to herself.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13709/05/2020

Because of this thread I went down a "It Takes Two" binge today.

It is definitely a Susan Harris show.

The show is like a group marriage between Soap, Golden Girls and the original Rita Moreno Empty Nest pilot.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13809/05/2020

R138...and Benson. Similar sets, music, supporting/guest actors, etc.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 13909/05/2020

r129 Seriously? There are dozens of shows that used single camera. EVERY dramatic series. And sitcoms did so as well. Leave It to Beaver, Jeannie, Bewitched, The Brady Bunch, MASH, Happy Days, Doogie Howser, Dream On, etc. etc.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14009/05/2020

Doogie Howser was a sitcom?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14109/05/2020

Did Mel Bushman ever present hole?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14209/06/2020

I'm finally on season 7. A couple of notes. It seems that to get Bea back they limited her appearance in episodes. And I never noticed it before but it seems that Bea is reading from the cue cards a lot this season. It's very obvious. I knew Estelle was having problems at this point, but I hadn't heard anything about Bea.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14309/06/2020

Maybe Bea wasn't having problems like Estelle but rather just didn't care enough to learn the lines.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14409/06/2020

Also, why did we never see Dorothy's brother, Phil?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14509/06/2020

It was better that we didn't.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14609/06/2020

Phil died on the show. Remember his funeral?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14709/06/2020

Yeah, in season 6. He could've appeared before then.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14809/06/2020

Phil tried doing a drag show at the Rusty Anchor and was beaten to death. That's why the funeral was in Miami.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 14909/06/2020

It made NO sense to have Phil's funeral in Miami. Just like it made no sense for Dorothy to have a high school reunion in Miami.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15009/06/2020

Maybe that should have been the spin off. The girls buy the Rusty Anchor.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15109/06/2020

That would have been too similar to [italic]Cheers[/italic].

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15209/06/2020

Blanche has a fear of flying, than she doesn't. Dorothy doesn't have a fear of flying, than she does.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15309/06/2020

[quote] Blanche has a fear of flying, than she doesn't. Dorothy doesn't have a fear of flying, than she does.

Your point being?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15409/06/2020

Is it possible that some of the bedrooms, like Sophia's, were loft conversions?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15509/06/2020

I love the idea of them owing The Rusty Anchor! They could have had guest rooms upstairs.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15609/06/2020

Dorothy's room is right next to Blanche's and yet there are windows. They would look right into Blanche's bedroom just like the kitchen windows would look right into Sophia's.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15709/07/2020

What about all the actors who came back playing different roles? Meg Wyllie, for example, played four different parts, including the flight attendant who tells Rose this isn’t the Copacabana. And Lloyd Bochner had big guest starring roles as the actor and then the hairdresser.

Don’t recall other shows doing that.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15809/07/2020

Rose’s education

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 15909/07/2020

r158 has apparently never heard of a little show called "I Love Lucy."

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16009/07/2020

I Like Lucy

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16109/07/2020

I Loathe Lucy.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16209/07/2020

[quote] Blanche has a fear of flying, than she doesn't. Dorothy doesn't have a fear of flying, than she does.

Oh, dear!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16309/07/2020

dorothy as a gambling addict. nope.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16409/07/2020

How about that story line where Freida Claxton didn't actually die but went into the Witness Protection Program only to return a few years later to reveal she's Dorothy's biological mother... whose accent doesn't match anyone else's in her family.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16509/07/2020

Technically, it is plausible that Dorothy's room had a window that would not look into Blanche's bedroom as the window isn't on the shared wall. You can see how it would make sense in the episode, "Foreign Exchange" when they kick Dorothy's real parents out of the bedroom, you get a view of how it works.

Rose's room makes no sense. Their living room windows would look right into her bedroom.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16609/07/2020

Rose seemed to have a giant bedroom with a sitting area and a bathroom. Sophia's room also had an en suite.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16709/07/2020

R151 The Rusty Girls

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16809/07/2020

Doro's bedroom

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 16909/07/2020

Rose's bedroom

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17009/07/2020

Blanche's Boudoir

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17109/07/2020

Sophia's bedroom

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by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17209/07/2020

Yeah Rose's bedroom makes no sense. As mentioned, the bedroom would jut out and be the only thing you could see through the living room windows. Further, her bedroom windows are the ones that would be looking into Blanche's bedroom. Finally, the distance from Rose's front door to her back wall does not match up with the distance presented in the hallway between her door and Blanche's door.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17309/07/2020

[quote] Further, her bedroom windows are the ones that would be looking into Blanche's bedroom.

They’d be too fogged up to see anything. Maybe you could catch a glimpse of Mel Bushman’s ass, but that would be it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17409/07/2020

If you told me 35 years later a bunch of queens would be bitching about this, I would've laughed in your face.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17509/07/2020

How the hell did Frieda Claxon see in any of their bedrooms since she lived across the street?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17609/07/2020

Precisely R176 she can't possibly see anything as she doesn't live next door or behind them but right across the street!

Would only make sense if Blanche was in the bedroom from the pilot.

Rose had the best bedroom, Blanche's looks smaller and less comfortable.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17709/07/2020

It makes sense for Rose to have the better bedroom over Dorothy or Sophia since she won a coin toss from it, but hers shouldn't be better than Blanche's.

Didn't Blanche's bedroom have a separate entrance from the outside or doors that led to a patio? I thought someone entered from the outside once (perhaps George?).

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17809/07/2020

r178

Dorothy did when she escaped from her foot surgery

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 17909/07/2020

No. A big scary man came into the house, r179.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18009/07/2020

I know she once said that she would be wakened by "Wayne tapping on the window"..

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18109/07/2020

Judging by the windows in Rose (to the left of Blanche's bedroom) and Dorothy's (to the right of Blanche's) bedroom, Blanche's bedroom would be no wider than a hallway.

A house with 4 master (sized) bedrooms with at least 2 of them having their own bathroom plus a main bathroom is very unusual in real life. Therefore Blanche and George must've had the house built for them and their 6 children.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18209/08/2020

*Judging by the windows in Rose's (to the left of Blanche's bedroom) and Dorothy's (to the right of Blanche's) bedrooms,

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18309/08/2020

Why the hell did they deviate from the original floorplan that had Blanche's bedroom off the hallway to the left of the frontdoor?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18409/08/2020

When Rose first dates Miles she says she doesn't know what a metaphor is but she it's clearly explained to her in the Barbara Thornedyke episode.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18509/08/2020

I agree they should have kept the plan where Blanche's was off the lanai. Makes sense that she would get her privacy.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18609/08/2020

It's all made-up by the writers. Made-up shit can contradict other made-up shit. It's sitcom entertainment; not a documentary.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18709/08/2020

GG is NOT a made up show! It's REAL! REAL! REAL!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18809/08/2020

Sets are a problem in multi-cam shows filmed in front of an audience. They have a limited amount of space and usually only have room for three fixed sets and maybe one or two smaller or flexible ones. These limitations account for a lot of the house layout issues.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 18909/08/2020

[quote] GG is NOT a made up show! It's REAL! REAL! REAL!

No it isn't. It's just a TV show.

Now ALF, on the other hand, is real and his show was just a cover-up to that effect.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19009/09/2020

I love how they always brush off Rose's problems. She gets a letter about Charlie's company going bankrupt and losing her pension. Eh, they probably can't cut you off. Call them and everything will be fine. She gets a letter she may have HIV. You'll go get a test and everything will be fine.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19109/09/2020

Well, as her friends I guess that beats them telling her, “Oh you’re fucked.”

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19209/09/2020

[quote] When Rose first dates Miles she says she doesn't know what a metaphor is but she it's clearly explained to her in the Barbara Thornedyke episode.

She gets a pass from me. I’ve had metaphors and things like that explained to me and sometimes I don’t get them either.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19309/09/2020

R186: Stop and think about this. That meant the lanai was right behind the living room. Which means every time there was a party or gathering or whatever, they would have to film some of them standing in the area outside, behind the living room, if anyone went back inside the house. By moving the lanai to that round the corner entrance, they don't have to worry about that. It's the old "what makes sense in a house layout is a nightmare for production" issue.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19409/09/2020

R193 is...limited.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19509/09/2020

[quotw]She gets a letter she may have HIV. You'll go get a test and everything will be fine.

And they were right in both cases!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19609/09/2020

Yeah, cause it's TV. If you got a letter you might be poz and your friends replied "where do we wanna brunch today?" wouldn't you be pissed off?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19709/09/2020

But it's TV so why would you expect more?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19809/09/2020

ew you gave me an R cup!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 19909/09/2020

All their kids were assholes.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20009/09/2020

R198, I would expect a bit more concern and the "da na na na, don don, ding ding" serious music cue they had.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20109/09/2020

it was strange that 4 women with at least 13 children among them and we only met 2 from Dororthy 2 from Sophia 2 from Blanche 2 from Rose

and I'm not counting Golden palace(but if I did I think we meet 1 child of both Rose and Blanche)

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20209/09/2020

But it's TV.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20309/09/2020

The Golden Palace introduced Tad, Blanche's retarded brother. We'd certainly never heard about him before.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20409/09/2020

R202: I only remember Rebecca for Blanche. Who was number 2? And no, fat Rebecca and skinny Rebecca do not count as 2, bitches.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20509/09/2020

Janet. She's seen in one of the last episodes of the series in a "b-plot" that goes absolutely nowhere and was obviously just filler for the two parter.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20609/09/2020

I miss Sexy Grandma!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20709/09/2020

I think it was easier to block for the cameras with her going down the communal hallway. Her grand exits wouldn’t have been the same is she’d gone the either way, which wouldn’t give her the opportunity to really strut.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20809/09/2020

We never got to meet Biff, Doug, or Skippy Devereaux.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 20909/09/2020

[quote]Maybe one of them grew up to be hot

Or gay, like Uncle Clayton.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21009/09/2020

Matthew Devereaux appeared on [italic]Golden Palace[/italic] and wanted to be a comedian. He must have been inspired by Big Daddy's short-lived music career.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21109/09/2020

How many children did Rose have? I remember Kirsten and the one Dorothy's son slept with.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21209/09/2020

Rose and Blanche both have 5 children that are mentioned.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21309/09/2020

Blanche's children was another inconsistency:

[quote]Blanche mentions the names of six children: Janet, Rebecca, Mathew, Doug, "Biff", and "Skippy". However, in the third-season episode "Bringing Up Baby", when Dorothy questions an impulsive car purchase, Blanche says to her: "I have had four children, I have never had a Mercedes". She mentions three sons — Skippy, Biff and Doug — in the episode "Bringing Up Baby", while the fourth name, Matthew, was mentioned in the episode "To Catch a Neighbor" and made an on-screen appearance on an episode of The Golden Palace

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21409/09/2020

R191

Yes, you are spot on -- the invalidation that was hurled at Rose often made me extremely uncomfortable.

The most hardcore "invalidator "was Dorothy. She would act like the other girls were simply batshit crazy to EVER be concerned or worried about anything, ever. She would get the most condescending tone and be like "OH, C'MON! THAT'S RIDICULOUS! YOU'LL BE FINE! EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE FINE!" I am sensitive to people being flat-out invalidated, and it takes me out of the story when it happens.

Although Dorothy is my favorite character, the way she is written, she can be hypocritical, and that is annoying. Like, she gets to worry about her chronic fatigue, but Rose shouldn't worry about potentially having AIDS?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21509/09/2020

Rose finally meets her birth father after 60 something years.... and then he is never mentioned again.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21609/10/2020

Rose's dad had too much Monking to do.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21709/10/2020

Yeah that was silly r216.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21809/10/2020

You think that's bad, R216, trying moving across the globe to Miami and never being heard from again.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 21909/11/2020

Aunt Angela was an even nastier, more annoying woman than Sophia so I'm glad she disappeared. Uncle Angelo was a total tool with a terrible accent.

I always thought it rude that Dorothy made invitations for people to stay without mentioning it to Blanche or the others first, like when she said Angela can stay with them til she finds somewhere. It isn't your house, Stretch.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22009/11/2020

At one point it actually was her house, at least partly.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22109/11/2020

Dorothy wasn't a guest in the home. She was paying rent, which gives her the ability to invite people to stay over.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22209/11/2020

Absolutely R221 but not when she offered these people long stays.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22309/11/2020

R222 of course she can, but right in front of Blanche she invited Angela to stay for as long as she liked with them if she moved to Miami.

There are other instances when she had people to stay that Blanche knew nothing about it before they arrived.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22409/11/2020

HowI could Dorothy not know that her mother and aunt had a fight and hadn't talked in 30 years.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22509/11/2020

Dorothy had a breakdown after Stan left her and had forgotten R225

That's also why she went from being a high-flying Headmistress to a substitute teacher.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22609/11/2020

[quote] Aunt Angela was an even nastier, more annoying woman than Sophia so I'm glad she disappeared. Uncle Angelo was a total tool with a terrible accent.

This is why they made them Italian instead of Jewish. If they were Jewish, you'd have cried anti-semitism until the cows came home.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22709/11/2020

R220: Look, I'm trying to have a heartfelt last few years with my mother and my favorite aunt. SO BUTT OUT, RAMBO!!!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22809/11/2020

Mother Dorothy, then shove them in your slum tenament.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 22909/11/2020

R229: That my ex-husband bought without my knowledge, probably at the same time he bought the corvette without my knowledge! I was too busy doing jazzercise to pay attention, you know.

And frankly, who are you to judge me?!?! That Norwegian pea brain forced us to turn the house into a blind help house for a whole week for her sister, who tried to fry bacon herself and REFUSED to wear dark glasses. I mean, she kept her eyes closed, as though she was PRETENDING. That's not coping!

And let's not forget the week we had to be mothers again for that Georgian tramp's rotten grandson, until my mother put him in his place. My grandmother would had the kid's bare ass as red as marinara sauce when the cop brought him in from the Bahamas!

Let me spell it out for you, R229. Go to hell. ;)

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23009/11/2020

Mother Dorothy, you inherited that slum from Stsn's dead Uncle and it didn't stop you spending your rent income on hideous smelly boots and cowl sweaters!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23109/11/2020

Tell me about it, r219.

Tell me all about it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23209/11/2020

R231: Look, it was sold after the judge made me spend the night in it with that bastard ex of mine. Once I got it, I sold my shares, and used the paperwork to beat Rose over the head for filling that TV report in the first place. What more do you want??

....Trudie, is that you? You old bitch!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23309/11/2020

Dorothy's pajamas were the same style as her day clothes.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23409/11/2020

I thought Dorothy wore nighties?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23509/12/2020

r150

Phil's funeral is on now and Sophia said they convinced Angela to have Phil buried in the family plot in Miami

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23609/12/2020

Who was in the family plot in Miami?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23709/12/2020

R237, Sal and Dorothy's dignity.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23809/12/2020

And why did Phil's poker buddies make the flight down, but none of his kids, or Gloria, or Gloria's presumed kids, or Dorothy's kids, or even Stan, who lives in the same town and was his brother-in-law for 38 years?

And none of those inconsistencies are as bad as Estelle trying to cry at the end!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 23909/12/2020

Maybe they were all at the funeral and the girls came home with Big Sal as it was too much for the Raisin In Sneakers.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24009/12/2020

Brenda and Estelle were both Emmy nominated for the Phil's funeral episode.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24109/12/2020

Based on their ages in the series, all three girls are probably still alive.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24209/12/2020

r241

that's embarrassing

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24309/12/2020

R239 It's the same thing with births, weddings and funerals in soap operas. It's due to two things: actor availability and more importantly money.

I mean on Days of Our Lives, Justin and Adrienne have 3 sons (two of which are identical twins) and two of them have been living in Salem for decades and yet haven't actually appeared onscreen in nearly 30 years since they were infants.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24409/12/2020

r244

They all live in Arizona now and other than Sonny, I thought they have always been in Arizona since they left Salem the 1st time

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24509/12/2020

R244/R245: Dorothy.....WHAT THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24609/12/2020

r246

DOOL!!!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24709/12/2020

R239, Like the viewers, Stan and Dorothy's children as well as their nephews and nieces, never met Phil. They kept that part consistent!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24809/12/2020

Which episode was Sophia the biggest cunt in? I say it’s Phil’s funeral. She distanced herself from the family for that long over a bounced check? It was supposed to be so petty that it was funny but it just made her a mean old bitch.

By that time, some dialogue here and there about her simply using her stroke as an excuse to be a twat would have been useful, because the original premise of the character was just gone.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 24909/13/2020

R249 I think it was funny because the cheque issue was clearly an excuse. She admits she expected his wife to stop Phil cross-dressing and lead a "normal" life. Sophia is angry this didn't happen and that "Big Sal" embraced and condoned it.

Digging deeper, it's revealed Sophia blames herself for whatever it was that started her son cross-dressing and harbors a lot of guilt. It's only when his wife assures her that her son was a "good man" that Sophia can let go and cry "my baby is gone". That last line always gets me.

That's my interpretation of it anyway.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25009/13/2020

R250, that's exactly what it was all about.. it's all spelled out for the viewer.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25109/13/2020

R250 Weird, I don’t remember all that. I just remember the “My baby is gone” part. I guess I need to watch it again. I usually skip it.

And never mind about that being her bitchiest moment—I forgot about the episode where she pretends to be channeling Charlie’s spirit to fuck with Rose. Rose was beyond stupid by that point and Sophia was beyond mean. That’s one moment where it’s obvious that the show needed to wrap up (and I’m actually a huge fan of season 7).

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25209/13/2020

R252 right on. That's easily the nastiest thing Sophia did. She watched Rose break up with Miles, conned her out of money and didn't seem to see what she was doing was wrong. Awful writing, I'm surprised Estelle didn't refuse to play it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25309/13/2020

You’re right about it all, r250, except she disparagingly referred to her as “Big Sally.”

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25409/13/2020

In the episode when the Mercedes gets possessed and they all take a ride in it as it's being towed if you look closely there is a woman sitting in the driver's seat who looks noticeably younger than the main characters wearing a white wig that looks nothing like Rose or Dorothy's respective hairstyles. That's even worse than the editing used for Betty's dance/cartwheel doubles.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25509/13/2020

Why did Blanche's house have a fireplace?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25609/13/2020

It's not quite that simple r222. The way it technically works is you are allowed to have a guest stay about ~2 weeks in a 6 month period, and more than that you are violating your lease agreement in terms of how many people are staying in the property.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25709/14/2020

35th Anniversary today bitches.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25809/14/2020

Awww R258 that's amazing! Where did the time go?

I have to have a mini "thon" now. Thank you for telling us!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 25909/14/2020

Why did Stan always have to show up at the door and say, "Hi, it's me, Stan?"

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26009/14/2020

Honestly R259, I'm surprised others hadn't mentioned it, given how fanatical some people are. There must be a separate anniversary thread.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26109/14/2020

R260 For the viewers at home, Rose.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26209/14/2020

The viewers had seen him hundreds of times, Rose.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26309/14/2020

R131 she was also 1) the tallest and 2) the STAR and wouldn’t have fucking had it any other way.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26409/15/2020

Did they ever get that hottub?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26509/15/2020

For the same reason the front door had a peephole for exactly one episode, R256.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26609/15/2020

It was his “schtick,” r260. Much like Sophia’s “picture it....”

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26709/15/2020

[quote] The way it technically works is you are allowed to have a guest stay about ~2 weeks in a 6 month period, and more than that you are violating your lease agreement in terms of how many people are staying in the property.

You think every landlord across the entire nation has the same lease for every single renter?

If that were the case we wouldn’t need Landlord & Tenant’s Court to have a judge interpret leases.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26809/15/2020

Yes, it was obviously his schtick... but an entirely dumb and unnecessary one.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 26909/15/2020

Why did they even add Janet to the Rose/heart attack episodes? It literally cannot be understated how useless and unnecessary she was. She had NOTHING to do with the episodes at all. NOTHING. It’s like they accidentally spliced it with scenes from the wrong episode.

Between that and Kiersten’s mopey ass, those episodes makes me violent.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 27009/15/2020

Wait. R269, your initials spell BED?

😉

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 27109/16/2020

Did any of the Girls ever do nudity in their film careers?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 27209/16/2020

Sophia had a best friend that was a nun who was never mentioned prior to the nun's death or after.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 27309/16/2020

[quote] Did any of the Girls ever do nudity in their film careers?

At the insistence of Bill Macy, Bea Arthur was was going to go full frontal in [italic]LucyMAME[/italic], but Gene Saks talked her out of it.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 27409/16/2020

Sophia was butt naked in Tootsie but that scene was cut.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 27509/16/2020

No but there used to be some thing on YouTube of Rue McClanahan’s feet — from some TV movie.

Also did Bea skip those season 7 episodes because she had a hysterectomy ? I read that somewhere not sure if here...

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 27609/16/2020

always shocked that they leave the scene where a guy tells Blanche that he can cure her of her "lesbianism" because she had never been with a real man

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 277Last Thursday at 3:23 AM

Also....I’m home for a bit watching Laverne & Shirley right now (no comment) and Shirley mentioned going on a date with “Alan Steckler.” Didn’t they have one of the same writers for a while?

It’s funny how some of these writers/creators will just blatantly recycle names like no one will notice.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 278Last Thursday at 11:45 AM

Blanche states that she was getting her nails done when George died (where he'd been in a coma)... and then later claims she was at home when she got a call from the Police that he had been in an accident and died.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 279Last Thursday at 5:16 PM

There seem to be conflicting stories about Charlie and what he did for a living and his financial situation.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 280Last Thursday at 6:05 PM

R279 Maybe she had a manicurist make a house call and the she got the call while she was receiving a topcoat?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 281Last Thursday at 6:07 PM

R281

The first story she tells indicates he had a long term illness. The second story she tells reveals the death to be an unexpected accident .

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 282Last Thursday at 6:24 PM

r280

I always thought Charlie just changed jobs a lot... My dad was like that(but he was an alcoholic so maybe that's why Charlie couldn't keep a job)

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 283Last Friday at 2:37 AM

Generally, it makes no sense how they circle back to this theme of "we are family, we are sisters" over and over. Yet in between those assertions, I have never seen four women be so cruel and gaslighting to one another. (Maybe the Kardashians?) I don't know how they could stand to live together being as rude and cutting and vengeful as they all are.

It's really shocking, for instance, how badly they all treat Rose. Occasionally I will laugh but often it's so "mean girls" that I can't even laugh with the studio audience about it.

And finally, the finale of the last season seemed so bizarre, having Dorothy fast-track that wedding to Blanche's uncle and hotfoot it out of there -- after asserting for six seasons how they were always going to be together and take care of one another in their aging years.

She leaves her MOTHER behind with the other girls. Her aging, mercurial, be-strok'd mother? Really?!

It's like she'd been waiting seven seasons, silently scanning, praying for the opportunity to get the hell out to emerge. And when it did, Dorothy was on it like like bees on honey. Blanche's uncle. Yuck.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 284Last Friday at 4:45 AM

Blanche's SEXY Uncle R284!

She was going to take the old Gheko with her, but she refused to go.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 285Last Friday at 9:22 AM

[quote] She was going to take the old Gheko with her

The old WHO?

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 286Last Friday at 1:18 PM

R273 Anytime someone died Sophia always claimed they were her best friend even though they were never mentioned or seen.. Gladys Winestock, the Nun, the woman inspired Martha Lamont, and I'm sure there are others. The only constantly mentioned friend she seemed to have was the Gladys that showed up in "Miles to Go" with the Tony Martin concert tickets.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 287Last Friday at 8:05 PM

Sophia kept upgrading her friends to "Best" status as the previous title-holders kept dying.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 288Last Saturday at 2:43 AM

Sophia was a nasty old shit

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 289Last Saturday at 5:08 AM

I just rewatched the "Lebanese" episode. I'm thinking that Sophia's acceptance of Jean may have been a bit too progressive. Sophia was 80 years old, Catholic, and Italian.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 290Last Saturday at 5:37 AM

Sophia used to have a lessie affair at Shady Pines

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 291Last Saturday at 6:04 AM

The one where Sophia is looking at going to jail for setting fire to Shady Pines was a bridge too far. Just the worst. A two-parter!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 292Last Saturday at 6:34 PM

It's not like she was fresh off the boat though r290, she had been a New Yorker for most of her life.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 293Last Saturday at 7:53 PM

The clip shows were the worse. Those must've been real slow days in the writer's room or maybe Susan Harris was having a flare up of her CFS. The faux clip shows which featured flashbacks to scenes that were created just for those episodes were good.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 294Last Saturday at 8:50 PM

This show's clip shows were less cringeworthy because the clips themselves hold up. It's the linking framework that feels wobbly. No way the writers were going to waste A-level jokes on one of these episodes.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 295Last Saturday at 9:17 PM

R284, the show just reset on Hallmark and at the end of the pilot it's Bea who says even if they all get married they still be together. They should've introduced Lucas several episodes earlier, if not the whole season. Getting married after 1 episode was ridiculous and totally out of character.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 296Last Saturday at 9:33 PM

It’s fucking hilarious how Hallmark’s Golden Girls block always loops back to the Pilot on the same night as the finale, so immediately after you watch Dorothy get married and ditch her sobbing friends, you get to watch Dorothy make the girls promise each other they won’t leave if they get married.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 297Last Saturday at 10:04 PM

If they showed them out of order, some people might complain.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 298Last Saturday at 10:15 PM

R298 What I meant is, the finale never seems to be the last episode of the night. It’s especially funny seeing the pact they make in the Pilot within thirty minutes of seeing their blubbering faces fading to black.

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 299Last Saturday at 10:38 PM

If they threw [italic]Golden Palace[/italic] into the mix and showed that show's last episode followed by GG's first, you would show how they look like bookends since both involve a fiancée of Blanche's. You also show how much they were straining for ideas in a new setting. What the hell was the point of that nightmarish dream sequence with everybody getting pregnant? They actually forgot about Blanche going through menopause!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 300Last Saturday at 11:09 PM

[quote] The clip shows were the worse.

Oh, dear!

by Kate and Michael Zbornakreply 301Last Sunday at 4:45 AM
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