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General thread for * 2020 Election Polls *

The previous thread is now paywalled, and was almost at 600 posts anyway. So, here's a new one.

Poll Troll, please continue to bring us good news.

New polls this morning from CBS News / YouGov:

NORTH CAROLINA:

Biden 48%, Trump 44% (Biden +4)

GEORGIA:

Biden 46%, Trump 45% (Biden +1)

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by Anonymousreply 602September 1, 2020 3:43 PM

Here is the link to the most recent polling thread.

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by Anonymousreply 1August 2, 2020 4:07 PM

Since 2010, NC polls have consistently Underestimated the Republican vote. Republicans have done an incredible job of maximizing their turnout since 2010, whereas Democrats have been very slack and getting their vote out. I would add four points to the Republican candidate in any North Carolina poll.

by Anonymousreply 2August 3, 2020 3:05 PM

National Presidential Averages On August 3:

2004: Kerry +1 (-) 2008: Obama +2.7 (-2.3) 2012: Obama +2.7 (+1.6) 2016: Clinton +4.7 (+3.5) 2020: Biden +8.3 (-)

(% Changes With July 27 Per Each Election Respectively)

by Anonymousreply 3August 3, 2020 3:20 PM

Should point out on R3, that end of July is traditionally when the conventions happen, so candidates likely saw a bump.

by Anonymousreply 4August 3, 2020 3:23 PM

Poor Kerry. Another bad candidate

by Anonymousreply 5August 3, 2020 3:25 PM

**TEXAS**

Morning Consult

Biden (47%)

Trump (46%)

[Jul 24-Aug 2, 2020, 2,576 Likely Voters]

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by Anonymousreply 6August 4, 2020 11:06 PM

PT, what is your opinion of online pollster Morning Consult?

Nate gives them a B/C and they rank in the 120s on his ranked list.

Is KY that hard to poll?

by Anonymousreply 7August 4, 2020 11:27 PM

R7, Morning Consult is considered a decent pollster. It's not in the top tier, but polling analysts consider it an okay middle tier pollster.

As for Kentucky, the polling last year for the Governor's race predicted that it would be close and that turned out to be true, with Andy Beshear winning narrowly. But the state has moved to the right over the past 2 decades, and it will be hard for McGrath to beat McConnell. It's a different Kentucky than the one that Bill Clinton won twice in the 1990s.

by Anonymousreply 8August 5, 2020 7:42 PM

What the fuck is Muriel doing paywalling my fucking threads? Joe Biden’s historic march to victory as he redeems the soul of this nation is not meant to be a revenue generator. What the fuck. You’re fucking with democracy here. How dare you profiteer off the pain and misery of the American people over the past four years. Have we not suffered enough? Election threads should be hands off!

by Anonymousreply 9August 5, 2020 8:03 PM

new Monmouth poll of Iowa:

Trump 48% Biden 45%

by Anonymousreply 10August 5, 2020 11:39 PM

NEW POLL: Biden leads Trump by 3 points nationally

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by Anonymousreply 11August 5, 2020 11:41 PM

It's a complete joke that so many people are still willing to vote for Trump. I said in 2016 that I didn't want to live in a country where even 10% of the people would consider voting for him. And now there are even more reasons not to vote for him. This country has gone completely off the rails and I don't think it's ever coming back. I'm glad I'm old.

by Anonymousreply 12August 6, 2020 12:01 AM

Trump is a symptom of the problem

by Anonymousreply 13August 6, 2020 12:08 AM

poll @r11 seems off

by Anonymousreply 14August 6, 2020 12:11 AM

trump "how stupid are the people of iowa" stated IN IOWA in front of IOWANS.. well judging by iowa polls in 2020 "that's how stupid!"....

by Anonymousreply 15August 6, 2020 12:15 AM

Iowa is sadly moving toward being a deep red state. It’s becoming like Kentucky.

by Anonymousreply 16August 6, 2020 12:19 AM

[QUOTE] It's a complete joke that so many people are still willing to vote for Trump.

Correction: so many WHITE people. Get it right. White people are singlehandedly keeping him in the game just like last time. They’re titillated by the outrageous bullshit that comes out of his mouth. He’s “telling it like it is.”

If black people were propping up Trump like this, boy, would there be hell to pay for them on DL. But since it’s white people, we strangely can’t identify this amorphous group with any specificity. They’re just “people.”

by Anonymousreply 17August 6, 2020 1:00 AM

Facts

by Anonymousreply 18August 6, 2020 1:05 AM

Truth

by Anonymousreply 19August 6, 2020 1:06 AM

R17 is spot on. All of the things we hate about him are the things his cult laps up.

by Anonymousreply 20August 6, 2020 1:14 AM

That’s the problem. And a lot of people like him that much more when they see the people whom they dislike blowing gaskets over Trump

by Anonymousreply 21August 6, 2020 1:19 AM

I read that Biden has a 39 point lead in California, about 9 points greater than Hillary’s margin of victory there. And since 1 in 7 Americans live there, the possibility exists that Biden could have even a larger national popular vote victory than Hillary & still come out short in the Electoral College.

by Anonymousreply 22August 6, 2020 1:39 AM

Same applies to New York

by Anonymousreply 23August 6, 2020 1:47 AM

Joe Arpaio just lost by friggjn 516 votes. Let that sink in and think about doing some volunteering between now and Nov 3 so we don't wake up and cry again.

by Anonymousreply 24August 6, 2020 1:59 AM

R11, HarrisX is a C-rated pollster and usually leans Republican, so that poll showing Biden with only a +3 national lead should be treated with caution.

YouGov's poll today has Biden +9 nationally, as does today's Ipsos poll.

by Anonymousreply 25August 6, 2020 4:04 AM

The point is to take the aggregate trends

by Anonymousreply 26August 6, 2020 12:14 PM

I don't understand why people fixate on national polls since they're completely irrelevant.

by Anonymousreply 27August 6, 2020 1:01 PM

They indicate trends

by Anonymousreply 28August 6, 2020 3:36 PM

trends dont vote people do

by Anonymousreply 29August 6, 2020 4:18 PM

Kanye West’s campaign has filed the paperwork along with the $1,000 filing fee to get on the ballot in Colorado pending an official review, a spokesperson for the state's Secretary of State confirms to @ABCPolitics.

by Anonymousreply 30August 6, 2020 5:03 PM

The sheriff's race in Maricopa County has yet to be called. Arizona is a mail in ballot state for the most part so it takes longer to get the results back.

by Anonymousreply 31August 6, 2020 5:10 PM

It's so amazing watching these rock red states turn deep blue.

McCain Country Arizona with two blue senators and Biden now? Biden tied in Utah, Georgia; Texas? Florida's not even a swing state anymore?

Fucking awesome and embarassing for the crooked, right-wing scum.

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by Anonymousreply 32August 6, 2020 5:37 PM

Arizona has no mail-in balloting for everyone and the results are counted immediately, for weeks before the election up to election night.

Why the disinformation campaign, r31? You want to tell us you're not Boris?

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by Anonymousreply 33August 6, 2020 5:40 PM

Nobody dislikes a politician more than Donald Trump, r21.

Nice try, Boris. Why don't you go back to "protesters are too lazy to register to vote?"

by Anonymousreply 34August 6, 2020 5:43 PM

I'm sorry. I just don't believe these polls. Because they alway even up by election day. Always.

by Anonymousreply 35August 6, 2020 5:48 PM

80 to 90 percent of people do vote by mail in Arizona. The results usually are not available for a few days. Take a look at the McSally/Sinema which wasn't called for almost a week while the ballots were counted.

by Anonymousreply 36August 6, 2020 5:50 PM

Anyone confident in August is reckless

by Anonymousreply 37August 6, 2020 5:57 PM

Trump: I believe we Will have a vaccine before Election

by Anonymousreply 38August 6, 2020 6:02 PM

r35, do you think 200 THOUSAND dead Americans will have Donald raise them from the dead on Election Day?

Conventional wisdom is no longer conventional.

Biden's numbers will explode as the country slides into Depression.

by Anonymousreply 39August 6, 2020 6:21 PM

NEW @davidbinder / @focusonrural (D) Poll (7/30-31):

IOWA: Biden 49% (+6) Trump 43% . MICHIGAN: Biden 51% (+10) Trump 41% . WISCONSIN: Biden 53% (+11) Trump 42% . MINNESOTA: Biden 54% (+18) Trump 36%

by Anonymousreply 40August 6, 2020 6:31 PM

New Senate polling from Quinnipiac:

KENTUCKY:

McConnell (R) 49% , McGrath (D) 44%

SOUTH CAROLINA:

Graham (R) 44%, Harrison (D) 44%

MAINE:

Gideon (D) 47%, Collins (R) 43%

by Anonymousreply 41August 6, 2020 6:53 PM

R41, those are good numbers for the Dems from Quinnipiac.

The Senate race in Maine is still tight but this is another pollster giving the edge to Gideon, so that's good news for her.

The Senate numbers in Kentucky & South Carolina are also good for the Dems, but we'll need to wait from other pollsters to see whether those races are that close.

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by Anonymousreply 42August 6, 2020 8:04 PM

We need to win the Senate. Not just squeak. Win eight seats so there can be no doubt the country is over these thugs.

I think that by 2022 midterms, so much shit regarding the total corruption of the rethugs is going to be exposed that nobody will vote for them save racists and uneducated white men.

Everyone else will be replussed and enraged by the amount of lies, double dealing and outright theft by these thugs. So many of them will end up in jail or not run for reelection, you won't be able to find anyone who voted, ran or served as GOP two years from now.

by Anonymousreply 43August 6, 2020 8:45 PM

R12 I’m in northeast PA which is blue or blue leaning visiting my parents and there are trump signs everywhere. And Biden was born here! Kill me. I’m so tempted to destroy the signs but afraid of the psychos who are dim and hateful enough to advertise they’re voting for him

by Anonymousreply 44August 6, 2020 8:51 PM

I like this thread. Keep the polls coming.

Also curious about state races as well. Governors and state houses.

by Anonymousreply 45August 6, 2020 8:58 PM

Also, ballot initiatives too.

by Anonymousreply 46August 6, 2020 8:59 PM

Dave Wasserman:

Really good poll for Dems in a district GOP would likely need to make any significant House gains. #IA01

Monmouth Poll

IOWA POLL: US House CD1

Registered voters:

51% Finkenauer (D)

41% Hinson (R)

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by Anonymousreply 47August 6, 2020 10:24 PM

I would love to see Amy and Jaime win!

by Anonymousreply 48August 6, 2020 10:38 PM

I've been steadily contributing to Biden's campaign and several other Democratic candidates campaigns. I have purchased zero yard signs as I think they're trashy. Hopefully, the majority of voters are like me, unconcerned with garish displays and (im)patiently waiting to vote blue.

by Anonymousreply 49August 6, 2020 11:45 PM

I'm surprised by those Maine numbers. Collins is so weak and ineffective.

by Anonymousreply 50August 7, 2020 1:22 AM

But she hasn’t been winning elections because she has no support

by Anonymousreply 51August 7, 2020 2:04 AM

For fifty years Democrats governed over prosperity and then Reagan.

This is a return to American governance.

by Anonymousreply 52August 7, 2020 2:26 AM

R50, Collins is embarrassing on the national stage, but apparently she's been good with constituent services.

by Anonymousreply 53August 7, 2020 2:30 AM

R40, those are some big poll numbers for Biden. Any idea if Focus on Rural America is a good quality pollster? I've never heard of them before.

by Anonymousreply 54August 7, 2020 2:40 AM

Didn’t Collins vote against eliminating Obamacare? I remember her getting a lot of good will for that (at least, I think it was that).

by Anonymousreply 55August 7, 2020 2:40 AM

[quote]I'm surprised by those Maine numbers. Collins is so weak and ineffective.

Collins is a 4-term Senator with almost 24 years of incumbency so she retains some residual advantages from that. It's still a positive sign for Gideon that she is maintaining small leads in the polls, but it will be a close race that will go down to election night.

by Anonymousreply 56August 7, 2020 11:05 AM

Exactly

by Anonymousreply 57August 7, 2020 11:28 AM

Plus until now, Democrats have done a horrible job of showing how Collins empowers Trump and vile radical rightwing ideology

by Anonymousreply 58August 7, 2020 11:29 AM

Where is Maine re. president? Is Biden leading Trump? That might help widen the narrow gap a bit come voting.

by Anonymousreply 59August 7, 2020 2:08 PM

EPIC-MRA poll:

Michigan Joe Biden 51% Donald Trump 40%

Gov. Whitmer's approval rating: 57%

by Anonymousreply 60August 7, 2020 5:18 PM

20 years ago today: With one new poll putting him 17 points behind George W. Bush, Vice President Al Gore selects Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman -- who had been one of the most vocal Democratic critics of Bill Clinton's behavior during impeachment -- as his running mate

by Anonymousreply 61August 7, 2020 5:33 PM

IS EVERY TRUMPSTER ON FACEBOOK AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA INSANE? ... i'm so so tired of seeing and reading them posting how biden is a pedo, posting images, gif's, videos of him to them being a pedo and creepy with some young person and meanwhile COMPLETELY AND I MEAN COMPLETELY IGNORING ALL THESE TRUTHS AND FACTS ABOUT TRUMP! IT'S BEYOND SHAMEFUL, RIDICULOUS, EVIL AND YES, CRAZY! NUTS!......

even when you point all the sexual acts and truths about trump they ignore it and or equate biden's so called "creepy gestures' (and they are only gestures i might add!) on the same level as their beloved leader trump! since when is analogy here, someone tapping your hand and another person cutting off your head the same equivalency?..

if these people truly truly are THAT stupid, THAT pathologically stubborn they should LITERALLY not be walking on the streets! DOWNRIGHT DAMN SCARY is their thought process and mentality!..

by Anonymousreply 62August 7, 2020 6:56 PM

Most of the snaps those halfwits drag out of Biden embracing or kissing young girls are of him and his granddaughters, R62. Unlike Anusmouth, Joe isn't fucking and hasn't fucked a daughter (or granddaughter) and the Trumpers are just assuming he's being perverted when he's actually just bring a loving pawpaw.

by Anonymousreply 63August 7, 2020 7:31 PM

Anusmouth, and balls-jaw. Christ is it November 3 yet? Time to take out the garbage.

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by Anonymousreply 64August 7, 2020 8:16 PM

[quote]Where is Maine re. president? Is Biden leading Trump? That might help widen the narrow gap a bit come voting.

R59, Biden has a solid lead in Maine -- new polls have him up double digits. It's a much larger lead so far than the narrow 3 points that Hillary won Maine by. The only question for Biden is whether he will beat Trump in Maine's 2nd Congressional District. Maine is one of 2 states (the other is Nebraska) that splits its electoral votes by CD. Trump won Maine's 2nd CD in 2016, but the race in Maine CD 2 is close this year.

by Anonymousreply 65August 7, 2020 10:13 PM

Maine is voting for Biden.

In fact, Maine voted for Hillary Clinton and that’s why Collins has been in hot water for 4 years.

Collins chose to rubber stamp Trumpism and appoint a rapist to the Supreme Court. That does not reflect what the people of Maine want.

by Anonymousreply 66August 7, 2020 11:44 PM

*HOUSE update*

Dave Wasserman:

Perhaps the most damning reality for House Republicans is that three months out - and with a historic Dem freshman class - there’s not a single House seat that’s a surefire GOP pickup.

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by Anonymousreply 67August 8, 2020 11:49 PM

Things can change in 86 days

by Anonymousreply 68August 9, 2020 1:55 AM

There are 67 days before I receive my Vote By Mail ballot in NV IF the Governor does not fuck Trump up and move the date to October 1st. More time for the PO.

by Anonymousreply 69August 9, 2020 1:59 AM

North Carolina begins voting in about a month

by Anonymousreply 70August 9, 2020 2:07 AM

Arizona does so at about the same time.

by Anonymousreply 71August 9, 2020 4:14 AM

New polling today for a couple of important battleground states from CBS News / YouGov:

WISCONSIN:

Biden 48%, Trump 42%

PENNSYLVANIA:

Biden 49%, Trump 43%

(Margin of error 3.7%)

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by Anonymousreply 72August 9, 2020 6:57 PM

I'm still appalled at the number of people who are still supporting this asshole. We need to publicly shame, ostracize, and boycott anyone who has anything to do with him.

by Anonymousreply 73August 9, 2020 7:28 PM

I’m appalled but not surprised

by Anonymousreply 74August 10, 2020 11:58 AM

r73 I can't stand Trump and can't wait for him to be gone but with your statement all you are doing is standing face to face with Trump. You on one end and him on the other. We can only have democracy if everyone's voice is heard. People are entitled to support who they believe in without retribution. If the entire country believed what you believe and others voices are stifled then we are no longer a democracy.

by Anonymousreply 75August 10, 2020 1:15 PM

CNN (Brianna Keiler), just announced that Joe Biden has made his VP pick, and he may announce her as soon as today. Good times. All of the nominees are all-star picks.

I can see the panel of insufferable pundits (specifically talking to you, Gloria Borger), yapping like a bunch of hyenas around a fresh kill.

by Anonymousreply 76August 11, 2020 7:00 PM

[quote]People are entitled to support who they believe in without retribution.

Not if they're supporting Trump.

by Anonymousreply 77August 11, 2020 8:20 PM

Whoever the pick is, Maureen Dowd will write a column about their dinner together, and how she was the one who put forth the idea for X to be VP, and then, when all the name dropping is done, she will tear the woman apart for not being, well, Maureen Dowd.

by Anonymousreply 78August 11, 2020 8:23 PM

*WISCONSIN*

Marquette Law School Poll of likely voters

Joe Biden (50%)

Donald Trump (46%)

[August 4-9, 2020, 694 Likely Voters]

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by Anonymousreply 79August 11, 2020 8:58 PM

McSalley is closing the gap

by Anonymousreply 80August 11, 2020 9:08 PM

Monmouth National Poll

[Biden +10]

Biden (51)

Trump (41)

[Aug 6-10, 2020, 785 Registered Voters]

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by Anonymousreply 81August 11, 2020 9:17 PM

That Wisconsin poll is too close for comfort, poll troll!

by Anonymousreply 82August 12, 2020 1:35 AM

Yes, R82, the race has tightened a few points in Wisconsin, and in some of the overall polling.

But we're now entering several weeks of intensive polls with the VP choice and the conventions, so it's time to buckle in. The polls have been quiet lately but they're about to pick up again with many polling companies now gearing up for the next phase.

by Anonymousreply 83August 12, 2020 11:22 PM

538 Forecast today:

"Biden is favored to win the election"

Biden has a 71% chance of winning and Trump a 29% chance.

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by Anonymousreply 84August 12, 2020 11:29 PM

538 Forecast is still doing that crap.

by Anonymousreply 85August 13, 2020 1:53 AM

Yeah, fuck 538.

Vote anyway!

Volunteer to work the polls!

All hands on deck.

by Anonymousreply 86August 13, 2020 2:26 AM

North Carolina Poll:

Biden 45% (+1) Trump 44% 3rd Party 4%

@HarperPolling/@NCCivitas (R)

by Anonymousreply 87August 13, 2020 5:49 PM

Stop embarrassing yourselves, North Carolina. You can do better.

by Anonymousreply 88August 13, 2020 6:34 PM

Third party doesn’t even get a name. Lol.

I think the rethugs use the third person to manipulate the voter totals when they hack into the systems. They divert votes there so they are not “missing”.

by Anonymousreply 89August 13, 2020 6:40 PM

Today's @pewresearch national poll showing Biden +8 suggest Trump's turn to open racist arguments on crime/housing are restoring big leads for him w/non-college whites while cementing unprecedented deficits w/col+ whites-of both genders in each case. Minority deficits big too

by Anonymousreply 90August 13, 2020 7:18 PM

This poll from Pew (h/t @sahilkapur) is fascinating.

Biden appears to have a comfortable 8 point overall lead. But for every 10 people who say they “strongly support” Trump only 8 say they “strongly support” Biden.

by Anonymousreply 91August 13, 2020 7:19 PM

From detailed tables in new @pewresearch report on Election 2020: Among registered voters, Trump leads by 67 percentage points among white evangelical Protestants White Protestants who are not evangelical, Trump +19 White Catholics, Trump +19

by Anonymousreply 92August 13, 2020 7:22 PM

An interesting data point from the @pewresearch survey: Half of registered voters think Trump will win & 48% think Biden will win. This effect *could* be a factor limiting the extent to which people expect Biden will win and vote for down-ballot Republicans as a "check" on Biden

by Anonymousreply 93August 13, 2020 10:25 PM

An interesting data point from the @pewresearch survey: Half of registered voters think Trump will win &; 48% think Biden will win. This effect *could* be a factor limiting the extent to which people expect Biden will win and vote for down-ballot Republicans as a "check" on Biden

by Anonymousreply 94August 13, 2020 10:26 PM

Fox News poll:

Joe Biden 49% Donald Trump 42%

by Anonymousreply 95August 13, 2020 11:48 PM

This is the way the question should be asked:

National @FoxNewsPoll, On How committed are you to voting for...

% Extremely committed: Biden voters 73% Trump voters 66%

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by Anonymousreply 96August 13, 2020 11:51 PM

Net favorability ratings in a new ABC/Ipsos poll:

Donald Trump -23

Mike Pence -14

Joe Biden -3

Kamala Harris +4

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by Anonymousreply 97August 14, 2020 12:35 AM

Biden doesn't need a "check" and America overwhelmingly wants to check Republican senators right now.

r94 = Boris

by Anonymousreply 98August 14, 2020 1:09 AM

Poll: Biden and Harris seen as more moderate than Trump and Pence

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by Anonymousreply 99August 14, 2020 2:09 AM

[quote] National @FoxNewsPoll, On How committed are you to voting for... % Extremely committed: Biden voters 73% Trump voters 66%

Trump voters who should BE committed: 100%

by Anonymousreply 100August 14, 2020 2:13 AM

3 days until the Democratic National Convention starts

10 days until the Republican National Convention starts

46 days until the 1st presidential debate

54 days until the VP debate

62 days until the 2nd presidential debate

81 days until Election Day

by Anonymousreply 101August 14, 2020 12:10 PM

Hah, yes, r100, but that’s actually a very telling stat. I thought all of his supporters were pretty crazy about him, but it’s surprising that they actually aren’t that enthusiastic.

by Anonymousreply 102August 14, 2020 12:29 PM

new Pew Research national poll:

whites without college degree Trump 64%, Biden 34%

everyone else Biden 68%, Trump 30%

by Anonymousreply 103August 14, 2020 2:14 PM

National @DataProgress Poll:

Biden 52% (+12) Trump 40%

That’s a two point shift in Biden’s favor in less than two weeks

by Anonymousreply 104August 14, 2020 3:41 PM

From Political Wire:

A new Navigator poll finds Joe Biden leads Donald Trump nationally by 10 percentage points, 52% to 42%.

But among those voters who plan to use mail-in ballots, Biden leads by an astounding 50 percentage points, 72% to 22%.

Among those who plan to vote in-person on Election Day, Trump leads by 35 percentage points, 55% to 31%.

Among those who plan to vote in-person early, Trump leads by four percentage points, 49% to 45%.

It’s not that complicated: Disenfranchising mail voters is Trump’s best — and perhaps only — path to victory.

by Anonymousreply 105August 14, 2020 4:14 PM

This is definitely going to be an election where every vote counts in every category all the way down the ballot. Because even if Trump manages to get reelected, a solidly Democratic-led House and Senate can remove him through the same impeachment process that the Senatrix McConnell was able to moot last February.

by Anonymousreply 106August 14, 2020 4:27 PM

No, r106, it takes 67 Senate votes to remove the fucker in a Senate impeachment trial. You may get 50+ votes but rethugs will NEVER turn on this fucker.

That being said, if we take the Senate and hold the house, the Senate can crush his lickspittles in the cabinet and really fuck him up in a number of ways.

Vote anyway. Just vote. Vote out every lickspittle and enabler, vote out every spineless, lying POS who has covered for this traitor.

by Anonymousreply 107August 14, 2020 5:47 PM

It is unlikely Trump will be re-elected yet the Senate remain Republican

by Anonymousreply 108August 14, 2020 8:28 PM

National Poll:

Biden 52% (+10) Trump 42%

@GSG/@GBAOStrategies (8/6-10)

by Anonymousreply 109August 14, 2020 10:23 PM

It is unlikely Trump will be re-elected or the Senate remain Republican .

There, fixed it.

by Anonymousreply 110August 14, 2020 10:52 PM

Harry Enten:

Live interview polls this week... Fox News +7 Biden, Marist +11 Biden, Monmouth +10 Biden... Pretty clear picture there... A Biden advantage around or a less than 10 in the live interview polls.

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by Anonymousreply 111August 14, 2020 11:43 PM

National polls mean NOTHING.

by Anonymousreply 112August 15, 2020 12:00 AM

R112, although the election is not determined by the national vote itself, the national polls are relevant in highlighting trendlines that can affect the state level polling.

by Anonymousreply 113August 15, 2020 12:18 AM

Precisely

by Anonymousreply 114August 15, 2020 12:35 AM

You rarely hear support for Trump these days. Everyone's tired of him. So why all the support for someone who has basically failed at his job? Would a CEO be kept on with such a dismal record?

You have to worry about the future of the country when almost 50% of voters want 4 more years of this.

by Anonymousreply 115August 15, 2020 1:08 AM

They support him because he hates the people they hate

by Anonymousreply 116August 15, 2020 1:11 AM

Exactly, r116.

His entire platform is hate, racism, bigotry and "own the libs".

No matter that they are dying in droves, they're kids are starving and they have no jobs.

They cling to their hate and bigotry

by Anonymousreply 117August 15, 2020 1:16 AM

Amen

by Anonymousreply 118August 15, 2020 1:19 AM

So if 90% of the voters in California, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and a few other large states vote for Biden, but a small majority in most of the smaller states votes for Trump -- guess who's gonna win? And the national polls will have shown Biden with much larger support.

by Anonymousreply 119August 15, 2020 1:24 AM

Mayor Pete along with Andrew Wang appearing on Bill Maher right now. Smart guys. Problem solvers, for sure. We need them. Pete is so cute. And FUCK all of you haters. Just stuff it.

by Anonymousreply 120August 15, 2020 2:21 AM

Decent post until you snapped for no good Teen Beat reason.

by Anonymousreply 121August 15, 2020 2:29 AM

POLLS! POLLS!

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by Anonymousreply 122August 15, 2020 2:34 AM

POLLS! POLLS!

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by Anonymousreply 123August 15, 2020 2:35 AM

POLLS! POLLS!

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by Anonymousreply 124August 15, 2020 2:38 AM

Nice try, Boris.

Donald Trump has never held a lead in the Electoral College. Ever..

Not in 2016, not before the pandemic and certainly not after the pandemic. That you have unshakeable faith that you can beat the odds through the Electoral College a second time shows you're as Dumb as Trump, who thinks America would tolerate him rigging an election or staying in power after he's voted out.

by Anonymousreply 125August 15, 2020 2:55 AM

Harry Enten:

Looking for a big sign Trump is a weak candidate? He's running behind the GOP House candidates. In similar situations dating back to the 1940s, prez nominees in Trump's position have run ahead of their party's candidates for the House 13 of 15 times.

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by Anonymousreply 126August 15, 2020 10:57 PM

Approval of Harris pick - Dems: 86-8% Independents: 52-29% Republicans 25-55%

by Anonymousreply 127August 16, 2020 2:02 PM

new NBC/WSJ poll in sample combining 11 battleground states:

Biden 49% Trump 42%

by Anonymousreply 128August 16, 2020 3:01 PM

New numbers from NBC News/WSJ Poll show Pres. Trump leads Biden on the top issue for voters: the economy #MTP

-Biden leads Trump by 23 points on unifying the country

-Biden leads Trump by 16 points on health care and coronavirus

-Trump leads Biden 48 to 38 on the economy

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by Anonymousreply 129August 16, 2020 3:02 PM

Poll: Biden leads Trump by 9 points nationally

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by Anonymousreply 130August 16, 2020 3:03 PM

8/16/20 11am EST. - Every political/Anti Trump thread gets pushed down 20 spots in 5 minutes. Boris started his shift.

by Anonymousreply 131August 16, 2020 3:13 PM

Just saw those cunts Sara Fagan and Chris Christie on "This Week" with George S trying to gloss over Donald Trump's attempts to steal the election via the postal service. Disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 132August 16, 2020 3:14 PM

Good news:

CNN — White House chief of staff Mark Meadows said Sunday that the US Postal Service will not dismantle any mail-sorting machines between now and Election Day.

"Sorting machines between now and Election Day will not be taken off line," Meadows told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

by Anonymousreply 133August 16, 2020 3:21 PM

R133, that ignores the mail sorting machines they’ve already dismantled, doesn’t it?

by Anonymousreply 134August 16, 2020 3:36 PM

CBS/YouGov Poll (Aug. 12 - 14):

Biden/Harris (52%) leads Trump/Pence (42%)

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by Anonymousreply 135August 16, 2020 3:44 PM

NBC: Trump Getting 31% of Latin vote

by Anonymousreply 136August 16, 2020 5:49 PM

R131, Meadows is probably the brains, such as they are, behind the USPS plotting, so have him say this is good. It probably will not get the removed machines restored, at least not yet, but it shows that intense public outrage can get results.

by Anonymousreply 137August 16, 2020 6:23 PM

R136 that suggests that Biden/Harris are getting 69% of Latino vote, much higher than the white vote the democrats are getting. Why not report that?

by Anonymousreply 138August 16, 2020 6:26 PM

ON WHAT PLANET of people's mindset would those think that trump would be better for the economy??? who knew EVERYONE plays the stock market? and wins!

by Anonymousreply 139August 16, 2020 7:00 PM

Democrats need to hammer away at the economy issue. The Stock Markets aren't the economy. The stock markets are the only place that rich people flush with Trump Tax Reduction cash can park their money.

Biden needs to hammer Trump with Reagan's:

Are you better off today than you were a year ago?

Game, set, match.

by Anonymousreply 140August 16, 2020 8:06 PM

[quote] "Sorting machines between now and Election Day will not be taken off line," Meadows told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union."

Liar. People need to be watchdogs and take pics of mailboxes or sorting machines being removed. These people cannot be trusted.

by Anonymousreply 141August 16, 2020 8:40 PM

I think a lot of Trumpers aren't going to vote. They don't like Donald anymore but they don't want a democrat.

by Anonymousreply 142August 16, 2020 8:50 PM

A lot of people said stuff like that in r142. They vote

by Anonymousreply 143August 16, 2020 8:51 PM

NBC/WSJ Poll Biden ahead: Blacks 88-8% Latinos 57-31 Ages 18-34 54-30 Independents 49-25 Whites w/college degrees 58-35 Women 57-36 Seniors 50-43

Trump ahead: All Whites 49-42% Men 47-43 Whites w/o college degrees 59-27%.

61% - Trump CV response failure.

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by Anonymousreply 144August 16, 2020 9:09 PM

Harry Enten:

Joe Biden is the first challenger since at least 1940 to head into the conventions with over 50% support against an incumbent president. That is, Biden heads into the conventions in a historically strong position.

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by Anonymousreply 145August 16, 2020 11:49 PM

Harry Enten:

So far, there has been a successful roll out w/ Kamala Harris as VP. Every live interview poll has her with a net positive favorable. A majority of voters approve of the pick. Most impt, a majority say she is ready to step in as president if necessary.

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by Anonymousreply 146August 16, 2020 11:54 PM

Republicans do a lot better on election day in Southern States. If you see a poll, pre-election day, assume Trump gains 3-4 points in Florida, Georgia and North Carolina when the votes are in.

by Anonymousreply 147August 17, 2020 12:26 AM

Well if there's anyone I believe in all this, R133, it'is the Trump white house chief of staff.

by Anonymousreply 148August 17, 2020 12:49 AM

Dave Wasserman:

Don’t expect Harris to change anyone’s vote choice. But in terms of $$ and minority engagement/turnout, hard to see her as anything other than a net plus for Biden.

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by Anonymousreply 149August 17, 2020 2:41 AM

Dave Wasserman:

We talk often about how working-class whites are overrepresented in the Electoral College battleground.

But Black voters punch above their weight in those states too, and restoring turnout to 2012/Obama-era proportions would be a big f****** deal.*

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by Anonymousreply 150August 17, 2020 2:42 AM

BREAKING: John Kasich just said that a prominent congressman will be endorsing Biden tomorrow, and implied that it is a Republican!

This is huge! (FYI: Justin Amash is an independent — not a Republican.)

by Anonymousreply 151August 17, 2020 3:48 AM

It's probably Boehner. Both are from Ohio and Boehner wasn't nearly as hostile to Obama as the other Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 152August 17, 2020 4:49 AM

[quote] But Black voters punch above their weight in those states too, and restoring turnout to 2012/Obama-era proportions would be a big f****** deal.*

How are they going to do that with voter suppression by Trump and the GOP-- closing the polls, long waits in line, slowing down of the mail in their district?

I feel optimistic but I dread that Trump will go out of his way to blatantly suppress their votes.

by Anonymousreply 153August 17, 2020 5:07 AM

Boehner isn't a congressman anymore.

by Anonymousreply 154August 17, 2020 5:46 AM

r145 And how did that guy in 1940 do?

by Anonymousreply 155August 17, 2020 5:47 AM

I just got back to South Carolina after 5 months away. I'm in the upstate, so it's very conservative here. On the way down from Ohio, I drove route 23, which goes through the reddest of red counties in Kentucky, Virginia, and Tennessee. While I did not see any Joe Biden signs along the way, I was absolutely floored at the lack of Trump signs. And here in South Carolina, I have yet to see one. I'm not going to turn into the Pennsylvania sign troll, but it's a weird thing. I saw far more Trump signs in Ohio than I do down here.

by Anonymousreply 156August 17, 2020 6:27 AM

#NEW @CNN National Poll

Biden/Harris 50% (+4) Trump/Pence 46%

That’s a 10 point shift towards Trump In a month

by Anonymousreply 157August 17, 2020 1:29 PM

BREAKING: Joe Biden holds a 12 point lead over Pres. Trump among registered voters, 53-41%, and a similar 10 point lead among likely voters, 54-44%, according to new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

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by Anonymousreply 158August 17, 2020 1:30 PM

CNN Poll In 15 battleground states:

Biden 49% (+1) Trump 48%

by Anonymousreply 159August 17, 2020 1:31 PM

Here’s how CNN’s polling has looked over the last few months.

CNN polls:

April: Biden+11 May: Biden+5 June: Biden+14 August: Biden+4

This race hasn’t swung 10 points in each direction month by month. Something is off with their polling.

by Anonymousreply 160August 17, 2020 2:41 PM

CNN is an outlier, but we need to use it as a motivator to emphasize this race is essentially tied. All polls show we have a huge and enduring enthusiasm gap, yet it seems Democrats are doing little to remedy that critical deficit.

by Anonymousreply 161August 17, 2020 2:55 PM

How can we create enthusiasm in 87 days?

by Anonymousreply 162August 17, 2020 2:57 PM

Tommy Topher: CNN poll undersampled Black voters — that's how Trump made up 10 points over last month. THREAD.

Wondering how Trump closed his gap with Biden from 14 points in June to 4 points in August? So was I.

by Anonymousreply 163August 17, 2020 3:06 PM

Individual polls can have swings r160, that's why it's always important to look at the polling averages rather than focusing on a single poll.

by Anonymousreply 164August 17, 2020 3:21 PM

Of course

by Anonymousreply 165August 17, 2020 3:38 PM

You live by polls, you die by polls. With 88 days left, there will be bad polls for us. We need to stop thinking we will coast to Victory. It’s a tied race, and the one who wants to win most, will win.

by Anonymousreply 166August 17, 2020 3:39 PM

r166 correction: the one We want to win the most will win.

by Anonymousreply 167August 17, 2020 3:49 PM

Five point shift to Trump within a month:

Texas Poll: Among Registered Voters: Trump 48% (+7) Biden 41% Among Likely Voters: Trump 50% (+6) Biden 44% @YouGovAmerica/@TexHPF/@BakerInstitute (8/4-1)

by Anonymousreply 168August 17, 2020 4:30 PM

President Donald Trump's job approval rating is 42% in the latest Gallup poll. This marks a slight improvement from two readings below 40% in June.

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by Anonymousreply 169August 17, 2020 4:31 PM

#NCSen: Cunningham (D) 44% (+4) Tillis (R-Inc) 40%

#NCGov: Cooper (D-inc) 52% (+14) Forest (R) 38%

East Carolina University

by Anonymousreply 170August 17, 2020 4:32 PM

Biden is fucked. White people have moved on from the Floyd protests, the virus isn’t as out of control as it was a month ago, and house dems torpedoed an economic relief package and then went home for a month. Those “undecideds” are heading back to Trump. This election will be a nail biter and will be decided in WI, PA, and MI. Biden needs to camp there the next three months. Forget Texas. Forget Georgia. It ain’t happening.

by Anonymousreply 171August 17, 2020 4:40 PM

Biden needs a cogent, attractive message why swing staters should vote FOR him. In 2016, Hillary made the lethal mistake of trying to make the election all about Trump, instead of having a positive succinct message about why swing state voters should be on her team. “I’m with her” was not it. Biden needs to have one or two wildly popular proposals to market that will compel moderate voters to vote for him. He also lacks a pithy, catchy theme. His campaign is far too undefined

by Anonymousreply 172August 17, 2020 4:51 PM

Biden’s health need to be protected, but don’t use it as an excuse to be silent and invisible. He needs to constantly create events that create positive media for him, instead of letting Trump dominate the media and narrative. He should be energetic on the campaign trail, constantly traveling, and on the national stage. Find a way to social distance and have rallies.

by Anonymousreply 173August 17, 2020 4:59 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 174August 17, 2020 6:05 PM

YouGov (B rating from 538, ave. DEM bias 0.4%) just released another national poll on behalf of Yahoo News, taken Aug. 14-15, 1,529 adults. LVs: Biden-50% (+9%) Trump-41% RVs: Biden-49% (+11%) Trump-38%

by Anonymousreply 175August 17, 2020 7:12 PM

R172 is right. Biden/Harris have the policy elements but they need a catchy slogan for it all like FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society.

by Anonymousreply 176August 17, 2020 8:07 PM

Exactly. All these well-paid consultants and staff, and yet no catchy slogans or catchy phrases!? No political memes to bolster Joe?!

by Anonymousreply 177August 17, 2020 8:11 PM

Do they think they can win just by pointing out Trump’s horridness?

by Anonymousreply 178August 17, 2020 8:14 PM

Keep in mind that despite wrecking the economy, a Rock Star Obama, and a failed war, 47% of Americans voted for the Republican.

by Anonymousreply 179August 17, 2020 8:58 PM

The race was always going to tighten. Just keep working and have a strong plan for you and 10 of your like-minded friends to vote.

by Anonymousreply 180August 17, 2020 9:00 PM

Yeah, it’s likely a tie game by mid October

by Anonymousreply 181August 17, 2020 9:02 PM

I do expect it to tighten, but currently Biden is up by an average of 8.2 pts. The polls have not tightened in any real respect yet.

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by Anonymousreply 182August 17, 2020 9:04 PM

YouGov (B rating from 538, ave. DEM bias 0.4%) just released another national poll on behalf of Yahoo News, taken Aug. 14-15, 1,529 adults. LVs: Biden-50% (+9%) Trump-41% RVs: Biden-49% (+11%) Trump-38%

by Anonymousreply 183August 17, 2020 9:06 PM

77.5 days

by Anonymousreply 184August 17, 2020 9:07 PM

David Plouffe says:

1) Prime time hearings, now. 2) Subpoenas to Trump WH and camp officials. This is a RICO case 3) Visit local post offices with cameras - show people what is happening. 4) Events with those getting Rx late 5) Involve governors 5) No rest, no vacation. Go to war for our country.

by Anonymousreply 185August 17, 2020 9:16 PM

National GE: Biden 48% (+7) Trump 41% Jorgensen 2% Hawkins 1%

@RedfieldWilton

, LV, 8/12

by Anonymousreply 186August 17, 2020 9:24 PM

GEORGIA Trump 47% (+2) Biden 45% Jorgensen 4% Landmark/

@wsbtv

, LV, 8/14-15

by Anonymousreply 187August 17, 2020 9:26 PM

Harry Enten:

As we go into the conventions, the best way I can describe Biden's position: 1. Best for a challenger in terms of polling position (i.e. over 50% and a clear lead). 2. A steady lead. 3. Still plenty of time for a Trump comeback based on history.

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by Anonymousreply 188August 17, 2020 11:12 PM

Nate Cohn:

Another important note is that the decline in Biden's lead hasn't been accompanied by a decline in his support. Instead, Biden's now all the way up to 51--which is an extremely high number by historic standards. Trump has gained more, but to a mere 42

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by Anonymousreply 189August 17, 2020 11:27 PM

How to interpret polls: Assume the race is tied and work your butt off for Biden and down-ticket Dems.

Nothing else is an option

by Anonymousreply 190August 18, 2020 1:30 AM

Biden and Democratic senators are going to get a BIG BUMP from the convention this week!

by Anonymousreply 191August 18, 2020 2:14 AM

Big bumps are rare in modern era. COVID-19 and streaming makes it even less likely

by Anonymousreply 192August 18, 2020 2:16 AM

National Poll:

Biden 51% (+16) Trump 35%

@leger360 (8/14-16)

by Anonymousreply 193August 18, 2020 3:59 AM

A new Morning Consult poll in Wisconsin finds Joe Biden leading Donald Trump in the presidential race, 49% to 43%.

Key finding: “Trump has a 12-point advantage in the Badger State among white voters without a college degree, while Biden leads with the state’s college-educated voters by 23 points.”

by Anonymousreply 194August 18, 2020 5:19 AM

Plenty can happen with election day about 11 weeks away.

The Torah codes predict Trump will win again.

Sorry to disappoint everyone on here with that.

Spend your time & money on other races especially the Senate.

by Anonymousreply 195August 18, 2020 5:59 AM

Nope

by Anonymousreply 196August 18, 2020 11:25 AM

So what do the Torah codes predict.for the downticket.races?

by Anonymousreply 197August 18, 2020 12:25 PM

How much can I get off on a Torah?

If I use the code do I still pay tax?

by Anonymousreply 198August 18, 2020 1:31 PM

Some hack writer wrote about the “Torah codes.” Like Nostradamus, it’s all bunk. “Drosnin also made a number of claims and alleged predictions that have since failed. Among the most important, Drosnin clearly states in his book "The Bible Code II", published on December 2, 2002, that there was to be a World War involving an "atomic holocaust" that would allegedly be the end of the world.[34] Another claim Drosnin makes in "The Bible Code II" is that the nation of Libya would develop weapons of mass destruction which would then be given to terrorists who would then use them to attack the West (specifically the United States).[35] In reality Libya improved relations with the West in 2003 and gave up all their existing weapons of mass destruction programs.[36] A final claim Drosnin made in "The Bible Code II" was that Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat would allegedly be assassinated by being shot to death by gunmen which Drosnin specifically stated would be from the Palestinian Hamas movement.[37] This prediction by Drosnin also failed, as Yasser Arafat died on November 11, 2004[38] of what was later declared to be natural causes (specifically a stroke brought on by an unknown infection).[39][40] “

by Anonymousreply 199August 18, 2020 1:37 PM

6/

Weekly totals by party reg of 2020 NC requests for ABM ballots, starting mid-April:

Wrapping up week 33, #s of requests processed:

GOP = 6,419 Unaff = 22,693 Dem = 52,836

GOP has dropped this week vs previous weeks, while Dems significantly up

#ncpol #ncvotes

by Anonymousreply 200August 18, 2020 2:37 PM

[quote]The Torah codes predict Trump will win again.

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by Anonymousreply 201August 18, 2020 5:12 PM

National Economist/YouGov Poll:

Biden 50% (+10) Trump 40%

by Anonymousreply 202August 19, 2020 2:59 PM

Biden opens with an 11 point lead in the USC panel poll--the one that showed Trump leading throughout 2016.

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by Anonymousreply 203August 19, 2020 3:00 PM

National Poll:

Biden 45% (+6) Trump 39%

@Harris_X_/@thehill

A 2 point shift towards Biden in 3 days

by Anonymousreply 204August 19, 2020 4:56 PM

Good news.

by Anonymousreply 205August 19, 2020 6:15 PM

Ronald Brownstein:

No data source showed HRC in 16 winning col+ white men, who usually lean solidly R. Pew, ABC/WP, NBC/WSJ, Marist now show Biden margin 10+ w/them. W/that opening, why would any D who wants to beat Trump complain about Rs speaking for Biden @DemConvention ?

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by Anonymousreply 206August 19, 2020 9:08 PM

Watching the news, I was just asking myself if showcasing so many establishment and normal Era Republicans could backfire against Biden. I was fretting whether Colin Powell, Kasich, Molanari, Todd-Whitman, Cindy McCain’s support helps get swing state white voters, or does it turn them off.

by Anonymousreply 207August 19, 2020 9:13 PM

This is the convention bump.

Remember that at the beginning of September when you all start wigging out about Biden's numbers going down a point or two.

by Anonymousreply 208August 19, 2020 9:44 PM

😂 Convention bump. Nobody gives a shit about the conventions this year.

by Anonymousreply 209August 19, 2020 9:49 PM

What do the Torah codes predict for deez nutz?

by Anonymousreply 210August 19, 2020 10:23 PM

#NEW Minnesota Poll: Biden 47% Trump 47% Jorgensen 4%

@trafalgar_group (8/15-18)

by Anonymousreply 211August 20, 2020 12:49 PM

Emerson recent poll of Minnesota: Biden 50 v Trump 47

538 grades Emerson A-

Democrats need all hands on deck in Minnesota

by Anonymousreply 212August 20, 2020 12:50 PM

Texas Poll:

Biden 47% (+2) Trump 45%

@GSG/@ChrystaForTexas (D) Internal (8/11-13)

by Anonymousreply 213August 20, 2020 5:28 PM

new national likely-voter poll by GOP firm Echelon Insights:

Biden 53% Trump 39%

by Anonymousreply 214August 20, 2020 5:29 PM

National GE: Biden 53% (+14) Trump 39% . Biden 51% (+13) Trump 38% Jorgensen 2% Hawkins 1% West 1%

@EchelonInsights, LV, 8/14-18

by Anonymousreply 215August 20, 2020 5:30 PM

National GE: Biden 50% (+8) Trump 41%

@DataProgress, LV, 8/13-14

by Anonymousreply 216August 20, 2020 5:31 PM

these polls are just burning Boris off the hinges! He's bumping every 2015 and 2016 Hillary poll, like that's going to save Fuckface Von Clownstick.

by Anonymousreply 217August 20, 2020 6:21 PM

*NEW HAMPSHIRE*

Saint Anselm College

Biden +8

Biden (51%)

Trump (43%)

[Poll conducted Aug 15-17, 2020, 1,042 Registered Voters]

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by Anonymousreply 218August 20, 2020 11:18 PM

R217 the mad bumper has been around for years? It has nothing to do with these threads.

by Anonymousreply 219August 21, 2020 12:47 AM

It’s time for Muriel to pick a side here. The 2015 bump queen needs to be Red lined to oblivion.

by Anonymousreply 220August 21, 2020 2:19 AM

#NEW Battleground Suburbs (MI, PA, WI, AZ, NC) Poll:

Biden 55% (+16) Trump 39%

@ThirdWayTweet/@davidbinder

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by Anonymousreply 221August 21, 2020 10:04 AM

North Carolina Poll:

Trump 46% (+2) Biden 44% 3rd party 2%

@RedfieldWilton

by Anonymousreply 222August 21, 2020 11:38 PM

NEW @RedfieldWilton Poll:

MICHIGAN: Biden 50% (+12) Trump 38% 3rd party 2%

WISCONSIN: Biden 49% (+10) Trump 39% 3rd part 3%

ARIZONA Biden 47% (+9) Trump 38% 3rd party 5%

FLORIDA Biden 49% (+8) Trump 41% 3rd party 2%

PENNSYLVANIA Biden 48% (+7) Trump 41% 3rd party 3%

8/16-19

by Anonymousreply 223August 21, 2020 11:42 PM

[quote]North Carolina Poll: Trump 46% (+2) Biden 44% 3rd party 2%

Retards.

by Anonymousreply 224August 22, 2020 12:09 AM

Since 2008, North Carolina Republicans have significantly overperformed polls on Election Day. Republicans there are supercharged to turn out and vote every election, whereas Democratic turnout has been very lethargic and underwhelming since 2008. It’s has been a Similar situation in Florida and Iowa.

by Anonymousreply 225August 22, 2020 12:17 AM

Omg.

by Anonymousreply 226August 22, 2020 12:19 AM

Omg.

by Anonymousreply 227August 22, 2020 12:19 AM

Pollls...LOL

by Anonymousreply 228August 22, 2020 12:50 AM

LOL @ NC. It's going to be a nail biter.

by Anonymousreply 229August 22, 2020 1:06 AM

This has probably been stated and dispelled before, but I have to say that I always hold a desire that PollTroll is really Steve Kornacki. I stan Steve hard.

by Anonymousreply 230August 22, 2020 1:12 AM

PAYWALLED!!!!! PAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYWWWWWAAAAAALLLLLLLLLED!!!!!!!!!

PAY THE FUCKING $25 per year, you cheap little shits.

by Anonymousreply 231August 22, 2020 1:14 AM

Hmmmmm...

When Steve interviewed AOC he came across as a gossipy little queen. The perfect archetype of a classic DLer.

by Anonymousreply 232August 22, 2020 1:20 AM

I suspect Biden will get a post-RNC bump.

When people see the collection of nut jobs and Q-Anon theorists that make up the Trumpist Party....

by Anonymousreply 233August 22, 2020 1:24 AM

I wonder about that too, r233.

by Anonymousreply 234August 22, 2020 1:39 AM

Trump's speech with either be an insane rambling rant a la Tulsa or he will read the speech that Miller wrote him in that dull flat monotone, mispronouncing a bunch of words along the way. Either is deadly

by Anonymousreply 235August 22, 2020 1:43 AM

I'm "those colored gals"

Which is how most of the conventioneers will refer to Diamond and Silk

by Anonymousreply 236August 22, 2020 1:45 AM

Senate Polling:

Michigan (n=812): Peters (D): 48%* James (R): 39%

Arizona (n=856): Kelly (D): 53% McSally (R): 34%*

North Carolina (n=967): Cunningham: 47% Tillis (R): 38%*

Redfield & Wilton / August 17, 2020 / Online

by Anonymousreply 237August 22, 2020 4:31 AM
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by Anonymousreply 238August 22, 2020 5:17 AM

I really like the 538 model page.

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by Anonymousreply 239August 22, 2020 5:20 AM

I despise any model that tries to quantify an alleged chance of winning the election. It’s ridiculous. They should have been so Humiliated in 2016, they went out of business. Dumb distraction

by Anonymousreply 240August 22, 2020 1:42 PM

I find it hard to understand how this pollster has Trump +2 in NC but Cunningham +9. I can't imagine that dramatic of a split.

by Anonymousreply 241August 22, 2020 1:49 PM

R241, NC has a long history of voting state and local for Democrats, nationally for Republicans. State Democrats almost always do better than national Republicans in NC.

by Anonymousreply 242August 22, 2020 2:17 PM

A senator isn't a local politician r242, they work in DC. And I could buy Cunningham outpacing Biden, but I can't buy him outpacing him by 11 damn points.

But I see this pollster doesn't have a rating on 538, guess they are new, so impossible to say if they should be taken seriously.

by Anonymousreply 243August 22, 2020 2:21 PM

North Carolinians are prone to like our own fellow North Carolinians much more, but if it’s a Democratic National candidate, it’s nearly impossible to win here unless the candidate is a folksy southerner or Midwesterner. Trump won by appealing to southern culture

by Anonymousreply 244August 22, 2020 5:30 PM

538 was odious in its post-convention discussion. Nitpicking, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 245August 22, 2020 6:38 PM

R244, in other words "southern culture" equals "racism."

by Anonymousreply 246August 22, 2020 6:51 PM

Sometimes, but also a certain way of talking; folksiness; devout religiosity; and small town/rural sensibility.

by Anonymousreply 247August 22, 2020 6:56 PM

Yeah, R247, if there is anything I think of when considering the Orange Menace, it is folksiness, small town sensibility, and, especially, devout religiosity. It's still racism.

by Anonymousreply 248August 22, 2020 7:03 PM

Oh, and malevolent, prideful, bone-deep stupidity...but mostly racism.

by Anonymousreply 249August 22, 2020 7:04 PM

R248, don’t be dense. Trump is liked by them Because he genuflects and exalts their culture. He’s not one of them, but he empowers them.

by Anonymousreply 250August 22, 2020 7:08 PM

At some point in our recent history, being smart was deemed too "east coast liberal elite" Don't you guys remember when they tried to turn the Obamas eating arugula as some sign that he was out of touch with the common people. To appeal to many working class white voters and white southerners you really have to dumb your message down. If they get even a hint that you think you're better than them, you're done.

by Anonymousreply 251August 22, 2020 7:26 PM

McSally in the low 30s is too fucking funny. Arizona is turning blue and will never look back.

by Anonymousreply 252August 22, 2020 8:07 PM

I will be so happy to see McSally crawl back to Arizona.

by Anonymousreply 253August 22, 2020 8:12 PM

R260 is correct. And the anti-elite, anti -intellectual sentiment has only increased since them. Obama was able to overwhelm it talking folksy; wearing a cowboy hat; sometimes talking with a southern accent; going to NASCAR events; and highlighting his evangelical Christian beliefs and associations.

by Anonymousreply 254August 22, 2020 8:51 PM

Democratic voters and Biden widely realize swing states and Middle America strongly dislike Northeast intellectuals. They view them as “elites.” For so long, Democrats loved to nominate the Dukakis/Kerry types. They flirted with doing it again with Warren, but the Party thankfully realized how unpopular this type is in swing states.

by Anonymousreply 255August 22, 2020 9:00 PM

Warren is from Oklahoma. Trump was born and raised in New York City.

by Anonymousreply 256August 22, 2020 9:14 PM

But Trump Embraces and empowers Oklahoma culture; Warren does not. I don’t know why some of you don’t get that basic consequential fact. Voters do.

by Anonymousreply 257August 22, 2020 9:46 PM

Trump doesn't "embrace and empower" Oklahoma culture. He just hates the same people they do: anyone not white and anyone with more than a high school education.

by Anonymousreply 258August 22, 2020 10:01 PM

R258, you realize that’s what the culture wars are all about?

by Anonymousreply 259August 22, 2020 10:05 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 260August 22, 2020 10:30 PM

It's the idiotic "have a beer with" mentality of Hicks and the uneducated.

They don't want to know someone is smarter than they are.

If you want their votes, you have to act as dumb as they are. Or at least talk like it.

I should fucking run. I can talk like a hillbilly, play dumb and "folksy", eat hillbilly and ethnic food all day long, ride a horse and milk a cow. Shoot a gun and drive a stick shift.

And yet I'm educated and lived overseas and I'm fucking smart enough to know I need people smarter than ME running the fucking country!

by Anonymousreply 261August 22, 2020 11:09 PM

This is the electorate we have, not the electorate you wish we had. We have to play with the players we have.

by Anonymousreply 262August 22, 2020 11:13 PM

Arizona is becoming the new Virginia.

In other words, reliably red for decades but now Republicans can barely get arrested in the state.

Any idea what is turning these states blue?

by Anonymousreply 263August 23, 2020 2:49 AM

While Arizona is trending blue it is still full of Republicans. I live in an area which is primarily Republican. While trending towards being like Virginia we are not nearly there yet. We have a Republican governor and one Republican senator. Also our one democratic senator often votes like a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 264August 23, 2020 2:57 AM

Demographic changes r263. The DC area has grown a lot, so Northern Virginia has carried Virginia into being a blue state.

Like r264 said, Arizona still has a good while to go before it can be considered a blue state.

by Anonymousreply 265August 23, 2020 2:59 AM

Yeah Arizona is about a 15 years behind Virginia in its political evolution. It has more Latinos, but Latinos aren’t as solidly Democratic as African Americans and vote less. Most people live in the Phoenix area, but it’s lifestyle is very low density suburban, which is not optimum for Democrats. Northern VA has some very dense, urbanlike suburbs. Arizona also skews elderly which is also is a challenge for Democrats. It’s also not the most Educated state, unlike Virginia. Virginia is a very well-educated state. Virginia also has a huge tech sector, which tends to be liberal.

by Anonymousreply 266August 23, 2020 3:04 AM

Northern Virginia, Tidewater and the Richmond area have helped change the political landscape in Virginia.

People really should keep an eye on North Carolina. People are saying that Georgia is next, but I think NC will go blue before GA.

by Anonymousreply 267August 23, 2020 3:08 AM

We have had an influx of liberal Californians to Arizona who are mostly looking for lower housing costs as well as a large Hispanic population. It is a wrong assumption that Latinos vote Democrat. They can be very conservative.

by Anonymousreply 268August 23, 2020 3:09 AM

The majority of latinos do vote Democratic, it's not an assumption it's a fact. Not to the same extent as black people of course, but still a very clear majority.

by Anonymousreply 269August 23, 2020 3:12 AM

[Quote]but I think NC will go blue before GA

Of course. North Carolina is a bluer state than GA. It voted for Obama in 2008, it just elected a Dem governor in 2016.

by Anonymousreply 270August 23, 2020 3:14 AM

North Carolina is also about 15 to 20 years behind Virginia. It is a state of small towns. It’s cities are solidly blue, but most of the state lives in small to medium size towns. It’s suburbs are very low density and Republican. Lots of Northerners are moving there, but it seems like they tend to be conservative, or become conservative after they move. There are a lot of black voters, but not enough to offset the fact that whites are increasingly voting Republican no matter what, and whites are voting in huge numbers in every election . The Latino population is growing, but it’s still less than 10 percent of the state. Additionally, NC is much more culturally conservative than VA, and much more religious. It is a state of Baptists and Pentecostals. However, it is a state of many colleges. There is a significant college-educated population. And the tech industry is growing there. It will take time.

by Anonymousreply 271August 23, 2020 3:19 AM

NC is also a huge retirement magnet and haven for the wealthy escaping high taxes, which stymies the political evolution

by Anonymousreply 272August 23, 2020 3:22 AM

Virginia’s turning pretty solid blue is one of the better electoral developments in the last decade. Looking forward to other states doing the same.

by Anonymousreply 273August 23, 2020 3:54 AM

I took a drive from upstate South Carolina to Augusta, Georgia today, on back roads and rural highways. 110 miles of driving and I could count the Trump signs on two hands. It's early, yes, but I think he has a real enthusiasm problem that is not being acknowledged in the media. COVID is killing him.

by Anonymousreply 274August 23, 2020 6:39 AM

It's not only COVID, he's also attacking the Post office. The Post Office is like people's bread and butter and that has to hurt almost everyone. It's like he'll burn down the whole country to stay in office but he's so stupid that he can't see it's backfiring on him.

by Anonymousreply 275August 23, 2020 7:38 AM

Poll: Biden's favorability gets 5-point boost after Democratic convention

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by Anonymousreply 276August 23, 2020 1:53 PM

Ron Brownstein: Just discussed this. White share, especially non-col white share, declining in every battleground state. But until Ds can win Sunbelt states that reflect ntn's diversity, they will have to claw thru Rustbelt states that are much more white non-col than US.

by Anonymousreply 277August 23, 2020 2:16 PM

Except for Pennsylvania and Iowa (whose changes were within the margin of error), 13 battleground states saw growth in their eligible voter population between 2016 and 2018. Florida alone tallied 592,000 more eligible voters, an unsurprising outcome for such a fast-growing state. Florida led all states in growth from domestic migration between 2017 and 2018. (Note: These changes do not account for other changes in voters due to Florida’s 2018 ballot initiative that restored voting rights for most felons. See Methodology section at bottom.)

Trailing Florida’s large gains were Georgia, Arizona and North Carolina, each of which netted more than 200,000 new voters in two years’ time. In Michigan, roughly 86,000 net new voters entered the voting pool. (Note that Michigan tied New Hampshire for the tightest presidential race in the country in 2016, a razor-thin 0.3 percentage point margin.) Among these 15 states, Maine saw the most modest net growth in voters, with 14,000 Gained 2016 to 2020.

by Anonymousreply 278August 23, 2020 2:19 PM

THREAD: The Electoral College will decide the Presidency, but Biden keeps his overall national preference lead over Donald Trump at 10 points, unchanged from last week.

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by Anonymousreply 279August 23, 2020 3:01 PM

"Did the DNC make you more or less motivated to vote this year?"

More: 58% Unchanged: 40% Less: 2%

CBS/YouGov / August 22, 2020 / n=957 / Online

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by Anonymousreply 280August 23, 2020 3:05 PM

"Do you think Democrats at the DNC did or didn't make a persuasive argument that..."

Biden Should Be Elected: Did: 68% Did Not: 32%

Trump Shouldn't Be Re-Elected: Did: 70% Did Not: 32%

It's Important To Vote: Did: 89% Did Not: 11%

CBS/YouGov / Aug 22

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by Anonymousreply 281August 23, 2020 3:06 PM

"Who is more likely to win the election?"

Biden: 40% Trump: 31% Both Likely: 13%

Redfield & Wilton / August 20, 2020 / n=2000 / Online

by Anonymousreply 282August 23, 2020 3:06 PM

Hmmm, r282. I wonder what the other 16 percent believe.

by Anonymousreply 283August 23, 2020 3:10 PM

There has clearly been a Trump surge in NC and Iowa in August. The question is should Biden focus on other swing states and forget winning those states. He is doing well elsewhere

by Anonymousreply 284August 23, 2020 3:16 PM

Wyoming has the smallest population. Easy to turn blue with telecommuting Dems.

by Anonymousreply 285August 23, 2020 4:05 PM

Yep. We need maybe 500,000 Californians to move to Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho to turn those states blue. Not sure about the mathematics of Utah.

by Anonymousreply 286August 23, 2020 4:09 PM

North Carolina already has a ton of former New Yorkers, but the state needs more of the liberal type, not Republicans fleet ing the high taxes of New York.

by Anonymousreply 287August 23, 2020 4:10 PM

Wyoming would need about 200,000 voting Dems to turn blue. That’s many.

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by Anonymousreply 288August 23, 2020 4:17 PM

Those types are voting blue. The metro areas that the northeasterns move to in NC are very blue.

But North Carolina is a populous state and there are a lot of people that live outside of the blue cities. You are fighting against *a lot* of smalltown and rural voters who are Trump's base.

by Anonymousreply 289August 23, 2020 4:18 PM

NC needs more people living in the biggest cities relative to the huge numbers of small towns there. It also needs suburban counties that vote blue, which it currently lacks.

by Anonymousreply 290August 23, 2020 4:26 PM

Today

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by Anonymousreply 291August 23, 2020 8:15 PM

National post #DemConvention Poll:

Biden 52% (+10) Trump 42%

@CBSNewsPoll

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by Anonymousreply 292August 23, 2020 8:48 PM

CBS News/ YouGov poll - post DNC Among Independents Trump 47% (+10) Biden 37%

CBS poll before DNC Trump 45% (+5) Biden 40%

*CBS poll party split: 41.6% Dem/30.2% GOP D+11.4

by Anonymousreply 293August 23, 2020 9:09 PM

Those numbers make zero sense, R293. There is something wrong with their polling. Poll troll, tell us what's wrong with their polling.

by Anonymousreply 294August 23, 2020 9:57 PM

That poll has Biden up by a whopping 10 points and you are freaking out about it r294?

by Anonymousreply 295August 23, 2020 10:06 PM

Read it again...closely, R295, and you'll see why R294 is concerned.

by Anonymousreply 296August 23, 2020 10:09 PM

Yes you can find that if you play around with their cross tabs r296, but the topline of the poll is they found Biden is up 10 points over Trump 52-42.

by Anonymousreply 297August 23, 2020 10:14 PM

If you dont get it, according to that poll, Biden went down over the course of the convention and Trump went up.

by Anonymousreply 298August 23, 2020 10:14 PM

R298, it’s hard to tell what R293 was reporting—it appears to be only the responses of “independents”, who tend to be conservative anyway.

by Anonymousreply 299August 23, 2020 10:51 PM

The point is either party usually gets a bump from a convention.

by Anonymousreply 300August 23, 2020 10:54 PM

Oh no, Biden didn't get a bump according to this poll. They found he is stuck at a paltry double digit lead! Time to go into panic mode!

by Anonymousreply 301August 23, 2020 10:57 PM

[quote] Time to go into panic mode!

Now you're just being an ass.

by Anonymousreply 302August 23, 2020 11:01 PM

Harry Enten:

Trump's only the 4th prez to head into the conventions down by more than a point. No prez with a net approval as low as his at this pt has been reelected. Trump'll need to defy history to win, but so few have even ever been in his position. So we'll see.

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by Anonymousreply 303August 23, 2020 11:17 PM

This CBS poll is a mess

by Anonymousreply 304August 24, 2020 12:43 AM

[quote]CBS News/ YouGov poll - post DNC Among Independents Trump 47% (+10) Biden 37%

Meaning the poll find a post-DNC bump for TRUMP among Independents, and a slide for Biden?

This country is full or morons.

by Anonymousreply 305August 24, 2020 1:49 AM

And that's with this breakdown?

[quote]*CBS poll party split: 41.6% Dem/30.2% GOP D+11.4

Like I said, it makes zero sense.

by Anonymousreply 306August 24, 2020 2:00 AM

I think maybe it's the race stuff during the convention that turned-off a plurality of the independents who shifted to Cheeto. Not that they're lost for good, however.

by Anonymousreply 307August 24, 2020 2:20 AM

CBS polling. It's actually pretty good. Please ignore my post at r307.

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by Anonymousreply 308August 24, 2020 2:25 AM

There are only about 35% of voters who will even call themselves Republicans at this point and they are all Trumpers. Independents are embarrassed Repugs.

by Anonymousreply 309August 24, 2020 2:32 AM

I think that is possible, but if they are so embarrassed to identify as Republican, why support Trump?

by Anonymousreply 310August 24, 2020 3:29 PM

AP/NORC poll on Trump:

approve 35 disapprove 65

net approval -30

This is his biggest net approval gap since 2017 - heading into the election.

by Anonymousreply 311August 24, 2020 3:33 PM

Biden holds 52-point lead over Trump among college students: poll

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by Anonymousreply 312August 24, 2020 3:34 PM

College students don’t vote. What I want to know is, how many Republicans are voting for Biden?

by Anonymousreply 313August 24, 2020 3:36 PM

Yeah, I hate all the "But what are Democrats going to do to reach out and mobilize young voters?!?!?!" stuff. Same when applied to Latino voters: "But how are the Democrats reaching out, and are they speaking to their concerns.??!?!!?"

They. Don't. Vote. What's hard to understand about that?

The arguments are usually made by someone playing an angle: clout, funds. Voto Latino is the most blatant; the executive who runs it just wants to be on TV.

by Anonymousreply 314August 24, 2020 3:45 PM

Should we just resign ourselves to them never voting? Did Republicans give up in the 60s and 70s to mobilizing white evangelicals to be the most powerful force in American politics?

by Anonymousreply 315August 24, 2020 3:57 PM

If you aren't going to vote this year, I can't imagine you are EVER going to vote. I don't get it. I can't understand how people just don't care.

by Anonymousreply 316August 24, 2020 4:11 PM

Yep r314.

What makes me happy is that Biden is polling well with older voters. Those are the people who actually vote in high numbers.

by Anonymousreply 317August 24, 2020 4:13 PM

"College students don’t vote"

Yes, they do. Why do you think Republicans spend so much effort making it harder for college students to vote?

"They. Don't. Vote."

Yes. They. Do.

by Anonymousreply 318August 24, 2020 5:08 PM

Hon, It's a shorthand for saying they vote at lower rates than other demographics r318.

18-24 year olds vote at a lower rate than every other age group. Not that they literally don't vote.

Since this apparently needs to be explained.

by Anonymousreply 319August 24, 2020 5:15 PM

r319, then you should have said that. Not "They don't vote"

by Anonymousreply 320August 24, 2020 5:22 PM

#NEW National Post #DemConvention Poll:

Biden 50% (+11) Trump 39%

@YouGovAmerica/@YahooNews (8/21-23)

by Anonymousreply 321August 24, 2020 5:42 PM

AP poll: Trump's approval among independents is more than 2-to-1 negative:

-Overall (73-24) -On coronavirus (71-28) -On foreign policy (69-28) -On health care (66-31)

by Anonymousreply 322August 24, 2020 5:43 PM

Hillary spent a lot of effort and money trying to organize and turnout Latino voters in 2016 and it was all for nothing. There was no jump in Latino turnout, and Trump ended up getting a decent-sized share of the Latino vote.

It makes much more sense to concentrate on proven voters than chasing after unreliable voting blocs. That's what Trump did in 2016 and we all saw how it paid off.

by Anonymousreply 323August 24, 2020 6:11 PM

"There was no jump in Latino turnout, and Trump ended up getting a decent-sized share of the Latino vote."

By "decent-sized share" you mean a minority.

"It makes much more sense to concentrate on proven voters than chasing after unreliable voting blocs. That's what Trump did in 2016 and we all saw how it paid off."

Yeah, the problem with that line of reasoning is that the "unreliable voting blocs" are the ones who support Dems

by Anonymousreply 324August 24, 2020 6:17 PM

Sadly

by Anonymousreply 325August 24, 2020 6:18 PM

Ohio Poll:

Biden 47% (+1) Trump 46%

@TargetSmart/@ProgressOhio (D) 7/28-8/3

by Anonymousreply 326August 24, 2020 6:19 PM

Here's the Voto Latino hack, Maria Theresa Kumar.

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by Anonymousreply 327August 24, 2020 6:58 PM

Encouraging people to vote is bad, mmmmkay

by Anonymousreply 328August 24, 2020 7:16 PM

Looking good.

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by Anonymousreply 329August 24, 2020 7:30 PM

Except no one cares about national polls because they don't mean a thing.

by Anonymousreply 330August 24, 2020 7:39 PM

Adorable lol - You can select the state, R330.

by Anonymousreply 331August 24, 2020 7:45 PM

Still too damn close. I was praying for a big bump after the convention. If Biden and Senate Dems don't win big there is going to be trouble. We'll never get Trump and McConnell and Ms. Graham and the others out of office. They will claim they really won and no one will stand up to them. I'm so scared that I can't even sleep anymore and I'm itching all over. Really, I don't think I will survive this election.

by Anonymousreply 332August 24, 2020 7:47 PM

R332, I’ve said this in other posts, but I want to drop off my mail-in ballot and hibernate until Nov. 3.

by Anonymousreply 333August 24, 2020 7:48 PM

Along the lines of R332.

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by Anonymousreply 334August 24, 2020 7:50 PM

[quote] This time, a bipartisan group of political figures has tried to game out what will happen if Trump refuses to accept the verdict this year, and the results aren’t pretty. As Rosa Brooks, a Georgetown law professor, a former Defense Department official and a co-organizer of the group known as the Transition Integrity Project, told the Boston Globe in July, “All of our scenarios ended in both street-level violence and political impasse.” She continued, “The law is essentially … it’s almost helpless against a president who’s willing to ignore it.”

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by Anonymousreply 335August 24, 2020 7:51 PM

Me too. R333. I'm disabled and have voted, in NYS, by absentee ballot for over a decade. It is the exact same thing as mail in ballot. I've never had an issue with it except for the first year when I didn't realize I had to sign the envelope. They notified me. I will send mine in the day I get my hands on it. People who intend to vote by mail, especially in red states, need to try to get their ballots now! They have to be counted by Election Day or the evil GOP'ers will claim no Democrat won. I'd give anything for a good night's sleep. Even Ambien and Ativan don't help.

by Anonymousreply 336August 24, 2020 7:54 PM

We don't get out mail in ballots in Arizona until early October.

by Anonymousreply 337August 24, 2020 7:57 PM

Same in CA, R337. They go to the USPS on October 5, delivered over a few days after that.

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by Anonymousreply 338August 24, 2020 7:58 PM

Hah r336, my doctor won’t give me those, so I’m stuck with Lunesta. I do try and read as many books as I can (all diversionary stuff, nothing serious). It helps a little, but not a lot.

by Anonymousreply 339August 24, 2020 9:35 PM

[quoted]Still too damn close. I was praying for a big bump after the convention.

Maybe Trump having nationally televised psychotic breakdowns for four consecutive nights this week will do the trick.

by Anonymousreply 340August 24, 2020 10:32 PM

Election night will be a nightmare of anxiety. The good news is that by then most of the vote will probably be in. If Biden can keep the lead for the next weeks in the battleground states, he'll win. Watch Pennsylvania on election night. If Biden doesn't win outright or the state is too close to call, take some sleeping pills and go to bed. Trump will either be the winner in the morning or the election will drag on for days, weeks.

by Anonymousreply 341August 24, 2020 11:07 PM

*NORTH CAROLINA*

Morning Consult

Biden +3

Biden (49%)

Trump (46%)

[Poll conducted Aug 14-23, 2020, 1,541 Likely Voters]

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by Anonymousreply 342August 24, 2020 11:46 PM

simple but important question; so should i vote in person (nov 3) or do the mail in voting (i'm in illinois) ahead of time? i'm obsessed about having my vote COUNT!....

by Anonymousreply 343August 25, 2020 1:12 AM

Get your mail in ballot, fill it out early and drop it off rather than mail it in.

by Anonymousreply 344August 25, 2020 1:14 AM

Good advice

by Anonymousreply 345August 25, 2020 1:18 AM

I'm voting in person. I don't care if I have to drag myself over shards of glass to do it.

by Anonymousreply 346August 25, 2020 1:39 AM

r17 and let's not forget the white middle class female contingent who just wants to stay comfortable because nothing is too terrible for them and has never been too terrible for them.

This is a group that has played it safe by sticking with tradition, they wouldn't even vote for their own equal rights.

by Anonymousreply 347August 25, 2020 1:45 AM

For those wondering you can contact your registrars office and see if 1) you can go there to vote 2) can to bring in your filled out ballot to them

Also any other voting questions you have.

All those who are not working might be able to go to their voter registrars office to vote or turn their ballot in.

Also just do a search for polling places in your city, county.

I know that a couple of the NFL teams have worked out using stadiums as polling places, one team doing this is the Atlanta Falcons.

by Anonymousreply 348August 25, 2020 1:52 AM

FYI the reason the NFL is helping with this is to help fight voter suppression in Black areas. This way whoever can make it to the stadium can vote, no one mucking around with closing polls early or other shady tactics.

by Anonymousreply 349August 25, 2020 1:56 AM

Biden +1 in Texas. Chump's approval rating among independents in Texas is only 38 percent. We may be in for a surprise on 11/3.

by Anonymousreply 350August 25, 2020 1:58 AM

[QUOTE] I'm voting in person. I don't care if I have to drag myself over shards of glass to do it.

Same. I received a vote by mail application and threw it in the trash. I don’t trust it. I’ll be there at the booth with bells on, I don’t give a damn if the Coronavirus second wave, the flu, murder hornets and saber tooth tigers are out there waiting for me. Plus I’m in a battleground state and want my vote counted on election night. I want this shit over and done with on November 3rd. I want Joe Biden’s full cabinet announced on November 4th.

by Anonymousreply 351August 25, 2020 2:04 AM
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by Anonymousreply 352August 25, 2020 2:04 AM

Wow, that's great news, R349. NFL should open up all the stadiums in the Battleground states.

by Anonymousreply 353August 25, 2020 2:07 AM

Sooooo unless i put my voting ballot in a voting mailbox personally and KNOW 100% it will be counted i should then just wait and vote in person? i'm leaning towards voting in person and having my elderly parents vote by mail...

by Anonymousreply 354August 25, 2020 2:23 AM

r351 Don't move to Oregon. They have ONLY mail-in voting.

by Anonymousreply 355August 25, 2020 3:15 AM

r351, Putin has had 3 years to infect voting machines with Russian malware while Trump has spent ZERO dollars on election security.

The herd to Vote By Mail has forced him to denigrate the USPS to send voters back to the infected voting machines.

I'm voting by mail and driving my ballot to the election department.

Think like the KGB.

by Anonymousreply 356August 25, 2020 8:30 AM

[quote]It makes much more sense to concentrate on proven voters than chasing after unreliable voting blocs

Since Latinos have turned the Southwest blue, they are a reliable group, especially after 2018 when they became they top voting minority. Arizona is about to turn blue and vote in their second Democratic Senator thanks to Latinos.

The Rustbelt and South become reader by the day. The West is where it's at.

by Anonymousreply 357August 25, 2020 8:48 AM

[quote] Since Latinos have turned the Southwest blue

R357, it's migrants from California of all ethnicities who've done the most to turn AZ blue. Latinos aren't particularly reliable voters.

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by Anonymousreply 358August 25, 2020 2:53 PM

More recent analysis. Most of the change in AZ comes from changing suburban voters of all ethnicities.

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by Anonymousreply 359August 25, 2020 2:56 PM

The California Exodus is a good thing

by Anonymousreply 360August 25, 2020 3:19 PM

Mail it back ASAP.

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by Anonymousreply 361August 25, 2020 4:17 PM

I guess it really was a home run. 😂

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by Anonymousreply 362August 25, 2020 5:23 PM

Why is Rush Limbaugh still alive?

by Anonymousreply 363August 25, 2020 5:29 PM

We are really about to see the soul of America tested and revealed. I fear we will not pass

by Anonymousreply 364August 25, 2020 5:33 PM

Florida Poll:

Biden 48% (+4) Trump 44%

@ppppolls (8/21-23)

by Anonymousreply 365August 25, 2020 5:33 PM

Love to you Americans! I hope the blue wave take the Senate and the presidency.

by Anonymousreply 366August 25, 2020 5:36 PM

Thank god Latinos are starting to vote in big numbers. Maybe Utah next ?

by Anonymousreply 367August 25, 2020 6:42 PM

r363, every morning he bathes in the fresh blood of a Dominican boy.

by Anonymousreply 368August 25, 2020 6:48 PM

Never forget Nikki Haley in 2016:

“I will not stop until we fight a man ( @realDonaldTrump ) that chooses not to disavow the KKK, that is not a part of our party.”

It is now...

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by Anonymousreply 369August 25, 2020 7:00 PM

I don't trust Florida polls. In 2018 polls consistently said that Andrew Gillum was well ahead of Ron Desantis for governor. And we all know how that turned out.

by Anonymousreply 370August 25, 2020 7:08 PM

R340, the Gillum-DeSantis polls showed the race to be extremely close.

by Anonymousreply 371August 25, 2020 7:17 PM

Looking at RCR, Gillum was up by an average of 3.6, and lost by 0.4. So the polls were off by about 4 pts, basically at the margin of error which is generally 3.5.

by Anonymousreply 372August 25, 2020 7:58 PM

Florida is corrupt.....I wouldn't doubt that Trump has some deal with DeSantis to purge some ballots this is why Voting by Mail in Florida is okay to him.

Someone said Georgia is getting pretty good about their ballots being accountable and the Atlanta Falcons offering their stadium as a polling place. This is probably due to Stacey Abram's work. I wish she'd go to every Battleground State.

by Anonymousreply 373August 25, 2020 8:01 PM

Ron de Santis was pals with Lev Parnas, who was at his inauguration. Wouldn't be surprised if there were some shenanigans there....

by Anonymousreply 374August 25, 2020 8:14 PM

I believe Florida Republicans are corrupt, but Democratic turnout in Florida has been pathetic for every election without Obama on the ballot. Democrats have a huge problem getting their people to vote in Florida.

by Anonymousreply 375August 25, 2020 8:51 PM

[quote]Joe Arpaio just lost by friggjn 516 votes.

No, he lost by 6000+ Otherwise, you're quite right.

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by Anonymousreply 376August 25, 2020 11:41 PM

There is something definitely shady about Florida vote totals. I often wonder why there isn’t a team of mathematics professionals pouring over the 2016 polls? And 2018 polls in Florida?

Shady stuff.

by Anonymousreply 377August 25, 2020 11:45 PM

I’m hearing that tonight’s convention evening was particularly disgusting in is corruption and lies.

by Anonymousreply 378August 26, 2020 3:51 AM

Generic Congressional Ballot: Democrats 50% (+11) Republicans 39%

@YouGovAmerica/@YahooNews 8/21-23

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by Anonymousreply 379August 26, 2020 3:56 AM

Over 1.3M mail ballot requests have been submitted for the general by Pennsylvania voters.

67.9% from Dems, 26.2% from GOPs.

194,266 of those voters didn't vote in '16. These new voters skew young (39% <35) and Dem.

Donald Trump carried the state in '16 by 44,292 votes.

by Anonymousreply 380August 26, 2020 4:16 AM

[quote] Over 1.3M mail ballot requests have been submitted for the general by Pennsylvania voters. 67.9% from Dems, 26.2% from GOPs. 194,266 of those voters didn't vote in '16. These new voters skew young (39% <35) and Dem. Donald Trump carried the state in '16 by 44,292 votes.

Explains the troll ramp up here and the continued destruction of the mail sorting machines. Trump knows his goose is cooked.

by Anonymousreply 381August 26, 2020 4:51 AM

Young people will vote if all they have to do is fill in a bubble with a pen and throw it in a box. Repugs are done forever if young people vote.

by Anonymousreply 382August 26, 2020 4:55 AM

If anyone has some free time, you should sniff around Wisconsin’s votes to see why they don’t want mail-in ballots.

They had an election a little while back that seemed really shady.

by Anonymousreply 383August 26, 2020 4:59 AM

The CNN hosts were effusive in their praise for the speech, claiming it showed the first lady expressing “strong sympathy” for victims of the coronavirus and racial injustice

by Anonymousreply 384August 26, 2020 5:02 AM

Showing “strong sympathy”, or emotion, can be acted. So, I’ll counter CNN’s effusive praise for the first whore’s “strong sympathy” with hard evidence of her truth; slut pics, support for hubby’s egregious birther theories, and that cunt’s, “I really don’t care, do you”, jacket. You blew your image it a long time ago. Get off the stage bitch.

by Anonymousreply 385August 26, 2020 6:53 AM

CNN is too toxic, both-sides, and sensationalistic. They put exclamation points on many of their YouTube clip titles. Their approach is gross. MSNBC is far more pleasant and calm.

by Anonymousreply 386August 26, 2020 7:35 AM

Miles Taylor the former Chief of Staff in DHS talks about briefing Trump about the safety of future elections from the Russians and Trump basically ignored them, they stopped bugging him about it because they were afraid he'd tell them to stop working on the security of the election. I get the feeling that they have been working on protecting our election system from hacking but not letting Trump know about it.

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by Anonymousreply 387August 26, 2020 7:44 AM

*VIRGINIA*

Roanoke College

Biden +14

Biden (53%)

Trump (39%)

[Poll conducted Aug 9-22, 2020, 566 Likely Voters]

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by Anonymousreply 388August 26, 2020 11:50 PM

The 538 forecast "scores" are narrowing. It was 68 Biden earlier today. It had been 74. Back to 70 now.

Convention bump for Cheeto, I guess.

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by Anonymousreply 389August 26, 2020 11:56 PM

Dahlia Lithwick today.

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by Anonymousreply 390August 26, 2020 11:57 PM

R389, Trump hasn't gotten a convention bump yet, but there's been some tightening in some of the battleground state polling.

by Anonymousreply 391August 27, 2020 12:07 AM

Thanks for the clarification, PollTroll. Keep the info coming!

by Anonymousreply 392August 27, 2020 12:16 AM

Is Zogby reliable?

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by Anonymousreply 393August 27, 2020 12:43 AM

No, R393.

by Anonymousreply 394August 27, 2020 12:47 AM

R393, as reliable as the Washington Examiner.

Absolutely ridiculous polling by Zogby and Rasmussen.

by Anonymousreply 395August 27, 2020 12:50 AM

Approval/disapproval is 54/42.

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by Anonymousreply 396August 27, 2020 1:00 AM

53/42 among registered voters (toggle on that page).

by Anonymousreply 397August 27, 2020 1:01 AM

43/53 rather - among registered voters

by Anonymousreply 398August 27, 2020 1:02 AM

There has been narrowing in the Pennsylvania polls.

by Anonymousreply 399August 27, 2020 1:26 AM

Remember 2016!!!

by Anonymousreply 400August 27, 2020 1:38 AM

And remember 2019 and 2020, specifically the myriad points in the Democratic primary over those two years where Mighty Joe Biden’s campaign was prematurely pronounced dead only for him to prevail in the end.

by Anonymousreply 401August 27, 2020 1:42 AM

Anyone who thinks this isn't going to be a nail-biter is wrong. If Biden wins it will be by a very small margin. Same if Trump wins.

by Anonymousreply 402August 27, 2020 1:46 AM

R399. I think Trump will win PA.

by Anonymousreply 403August 27, 2020 1:49 AM

There’s no way in hell Trump wins PA. Even the 3 point margin in these new “tightened” polls would be a sizable swing from 2016, and I don’t see it getting any closer. I wish it was a comfortable blowout, but a win is a win.

by Anonymousreply 404August 27, 2020 1:53 AM

Trump only won PA by like 40,000 votes last time.

R403 must be lying because I live in Pennsyltucky and even the Republicans here are getting sick of him

by Anonymousreply 405August 27, 2020 1:59 AM

On election night, I’m going to need someone to standby with a defibrillator in case I pass out from the suspense.

by Anonymousreply 406August 27, 2020 2:13 AM

Not in South West Pennsylvania, r403.

R402 is absolutely correct.

by Anonymousreply 407August 27, 2020 2:17 AM

I wouldn't necessarily expect to know who wins on election night r406. Given the ballots coming in by mail this could take a while.

by Anonymousreply 408August 27, 2020 2:24 AM

I’m going to pill myself into a nice demi-coma until the results come in.

so just wean me off when we know the results.

by Anonymousreply 409August 27, 2020 2:32 AM

[QUOTE] Trump only won PA by like 40,000 votes last time.

If Joe Biden can’t make that up, then I’m Barbra Streisand.

Hillary had PA in the bag for the most part, but there were a lot of fence sitters who didn’t want to pick a candidate until they stepped in the booth. The Comey Letter, conforming their overall skepticism and disdain for the woman, pushed a lot of those people toward Trump in the final days. That’s how he won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

This is nothing like 2016.

by Anonymousreply 410August 27, 2020 2:36 AM

The Trafalgar Polls show Trump with a slim lead in almost all the battleground states. They also show Pennsylvania and Florida as ties.

That's exactly how it ended in 2016 and I bet 2020 will look like a repeat. Hopefully, Biden can win Pennsylvania. I don't see how he wins the race without it.

by Anonymousreply 411August 27, 2020 2:50 AM

If you believe the Trafalgar polls then the race is already over and Biden will lose every battleground state, including Pennsylvania. So there’s no need for you to fret over the election anymore. Trump has already won a second term, and the Trafalgar polls will never show anything different.

by Anonymousreply 412August 27, 2020 2:55 AM

Trafalgar is a C- pollster. They have a poor record.

by Anonymousreply 413August 27, 2020 2:57 AM

r396 / r397 is spreading Fake News. His own link shows Approval/disapproval is 42/54, NOT

[quote]Approval/disapproval is 54/42.

42% APPROVE of The Trumpster Fire

54% DISAPPROVE of the Trumpster Fire.

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by Anonymousreply 414August 27, 2020 2:59 AM

R411, Trafalger is Republican-leaning. Their polls are, right now, outliers.

by Anonymousreply 415August 27, 2020 3:09 AM

[quote]This is nothing like 2016.

Rethugs ain't done yet.

Billy Barr will whip up indictments enough for ten Comey October surprises.

by Anonymousreply 416August 27, 2020 3:33 AM

R416, who believes anything Barr says?

by Anonymousreply 417August 27, 2020 3:38 AM

I have no expectation that the election will be decided on November 3rd. I would not be surprised if we are still counting ballots at Thanksgiving.

by Anonymousreply 418August 27, 2020 3:42 AM

[QUOTE] Billy Barr will whip up indictments enough for ten Comey October surprises.

The reason why the Comey Letter was so brutally effective is because he was a member of the Obama administration. That shielded him from accusations of a partisan witch-hunt, which is why Hillary was so hamstrung in her defense. How could she pushback when she considered Attorney General Loretta Lynch a colleague? How could she go on the attack against Barack Obama?

If Bill Barr tries the same shenanigans, however, it will immediately be seen as targeting a political opponent in order to tip the scales in the election.

by Anonymousreply 419August 27, 2020 3:43 AM

I have every expectation the secretaries of state across more than 270 electoral votes will call the race for Biden on Nov. 3, r418. So will networks for the ratings, though Fox might call it for Trump or stay undeclared.

But you're right, the shitshow will only start to get REALLY interesting on Nov. 3!

by Anonymousreply 420August 27, 2020 4:00 AM

[quote]If Bill Barr tries the same shenanigans, however, it will immediately be seen as targeting a political opponent in order to tip the scales in the election.

There are enough Bern victims who will start parroting any lies about 'corruption, Hunter" just to get back at the DNC. Then there are independents up for grabs. Even if Dems will rightfully condemn Barr, don't underestimate the effect of muddying the waters. By then the polls will be tight and Trump's effort will be to shave percentages here and there.

Barr is a crafty fucker, he managed to neutralize and even weaponize the Mueller report, and now the more biting Senate intelligence report is barely a blip on the radar. And he didn't commit to not interfering before the election.

by Anonymousreply 421August 27, 2020 4:34 AM

I think Biden’s national lead will be halved by this time next week. Watch the protests and listen to what they’re saying. Cheeto just needs to replay this stuff on TV to close the gap.

by Anonymousreply 422August 27, 2020 4:48 AM

"Cheeto just needs to replay this stuff on TV to close the gap."

Why? Cheeto hasn't done a damn thing to stop the violence. Nice of you to cheerlead for a RACIST

by Anonymousreply 423August 27, 2020 4:56 AM

Charlottesville put the festering blob’s approval ratings the the basement. That was his lowest point as far as approval goes.

Nobody is talking about that stupid convention anymore. It’s all about the Hurricane and Wisconsin.

by Anonymousreply 424August 27, 2020 5:01 AM

I think the trolls on here underestimate the amount of hatred that people have for Trump. 50% of the country will absolutely not, under any circumstances, vote for him.

The Doomsday Sayers have been whining on all year, but even despite everything that's going on, Biden's lead has remained remarkably stable at 8 to 10%. COVID is the issue, and there is nothing that Trump can do to put that genie back in the bottle.

by Anonymousreply 425August 27, 2020 5:03 AM

r421 = Fake News

Bernie Sanders and his supporters are so pumped up to take the crooked Republican establishment down.

by Anonymousreply 426August 27, 2020 5:05 AM

Have you noticed it's the start of a brand new day in Moscow at the Russian troll farm?

Boris has punched the clock and settled in for 8 more hours of FAKE NEWS ON DL!

by Anonymousreply 427August 27, 2020 5:08 AM

You dummies who think it’s in the bag are the same morons who thought Cheeto would be removed from office by this past January “because the evidence was overwhelming and the Senate would be forced to remove him”.

You think swing voters are rational? Please. 180,000+ dead, millions of jobs lost, off-the-charts corruption — al because of Cheeto — none of it matters when you show Bob and Helen mouthy woke protesters in their 20s saying “fuck the police” and others joining in to burn shit. Evan deaths caused by psychos like that 17-y.o. MAGA fuck will be pinned on peaceful BLM protesters. Because swing voters don’t really about truth or nuance: when they get scared, they run to people like Cheeto. They give their own the benefit of any iota of doubt.

Learn about this country outside of your enclave. It’s far more prejudiced, reactionary, and intransigently irrational than you think.

It’s like Ta-Nehisi Coates wanted Cheeto re-elected all along. Book sales. (Kidding, but you get it.)

by Anonymousreply 428August 27, 2020 5:24 AM

I hate fraudsters like Ta-Nehisi Coates.

by Anonymousreply 429August 27, 2020 7:48 AM

Nothing wrong with having a look at Zogby and Rasmussen, which mostly poll Republican voters. It really shows that even among GOP voters, he barely makes it.

by Anonymousreply 430August 27, 2020 8:33 AM

Have a look at this and adjust the top left bar to A+ - B.

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by Anonymousreply 431August 27, 2020 11:34 AM

R405, please note that r403 is the Dump sign troll. He loves Dump. PA went very, very narrowly for Dump, after many years of voting for Dems, so he thinks his wisdom re the signs he sees has merit. In fact all he sees are Dump signs because he loves Dump. I’m also in PA and you’re right even Pennsylvanians are sick of him.

by Anonymousreply 432August 27, 2020 11:54 AM

Without Hillary's negs for Clinton history and misogyny, and with Trump's disastrous handling of the Virus, the economy and stirring up racial strife, Trump HAS to cheat.

by Anonymousreply 433August 27, 2020 12:07 PM

RIGHT NOW ON FOX NEWS, "ALTERNATIVE FACTS" conway is of course talking about violence in major cities and the headline on the screen is "major u.s. cities rocked by increase in violence" and she has the gall to already say :

1) that BIDEN is the one who should be visiting these cities of "violence" and sitting down to talk to people (ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME! it's not the president who should be doing this?)......

2) that BIDEN should be the one calling these victims of violence, uh, did she miss the fact that just yesterday Biden DID CALL AND TALK to the entire family of jacob blake and put a video out there talking about it!....

3) now she's backtracking on trump (hey, he's wearing a mask! hey, he's not doing all his rallies he wants!)...and that the dems are not talking about abortions because they "lost" that cultural war and yet they the dems are STILL okay with 8 to 9 month abortions! BULLSHIT! yeah, ANYONE wants a baby about to be born fully form killed!...

ah yes, fox and friends... the 3 hosts, one a douchebag, one a asshole and one a dumb blonde...

by Anonymousreply 434August 27, 2020 12:49 PM

Speaking of PA, there’s a new poll that’s shows Joe is leading 49% to 42%.

Lots of signs there.

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by Anonymousreply 435August 27, 2020 2:04 PM

[quote]Bernie Sanders and his supporters are so pumped up to take the crooked Republican establishment down.

They absolutely are not. Not only have they declared that they won't vote for him, they keep screaming that Biden is senile, a racist and a rapist and is no different than Trump. You need to accept that they are hopeless and give up on them already.

by Anonymousreply 436August 27, 2020 2:35 PM

[quote]RIGHT NOW ON FOX NEWS, "ALTERNATIVE FACTS" conway is of course talking about violence in major cities and the headline on the screen is "major u.s. cities rocked by increase in violence" and she has the gall to already say :

WTF is she doing on Fox News? Isn't she supposed to be trying to put her broken family back together?

by Anonymousreply 437August 27, 2020 5:46 PM

You fell for that old tripe, r437?

That desiccated bitch is taking one of the few life boats off the trumptanic as it starts to list and sink.

She thinks that by getting out NOW she can save her lying, embalmed hide. She's got another thing coming to her.

by Anonymousreply 438August 27, 2020 6:23 PM

R432 why are you such a stalker? Whats interesting is someone asked about me in another thread about a month ago. So I commented that yes I was still around and I gave my opinion on PA. I was given a ban of some sort after that for a month. Just like I said I would. You screamed FF the yard sign troll. like WTF?

Then some stalker (you I supposed) went on and on saying I was a sock puppet and had like numerous accounts when trump won in 2016 - no you're wrong (again just like in 2016). I didn't have numerous accounts. There were 3 of us from PA that posted a lot in 2016 and we were all called concern trolls, boris etc. In addition - we didn't register to post on DL back in 2016. If you posted on an iPhone, and then posted on your desktop or your iPad and trolldar'ed someone it would appear as if it was 2 different people - but it was only 2 different devices. Like most people I had more than one device, still do.

I'm not attacking you or anyone, I'm giving my opinion on how I think MY STATE will vote. I live in county that seems to be talked about a lot when they discuss the election. A Bellwether county I guess. Hillary only won my county by a few thousand votes , out of 200K or so. But she was expected to win by a much higher margin.

I haven't been coming into the political threads much here lately - for good reason. DL is not the place for actual real debate, or exchange of opinion.

R407 Like I posted above. I have not seen one Biden sign yet. I am now seeing more Trump signs in the area. More began popping up last week. They are on lawns of upper middle class whites. Not just in the working class areas of the county. Some of whom didn't have any sign on their lawns on 2016. Initially, I was of the opinion that it would be the economy, that would win PA for Trump (no one wants Biden in charge of a recovery) but now with the looting and riots, that is only making things worse for Biden.

I believe that all of the riots and looting will drive the upper middle class white voters that the democrats think they are getting right now... (in my county anyway) away from Biden. I think THOSE are the people that are putting out the new Trump yard signs - these people didn't have yard signs in 2016.

by Anonymousreply 439August 27, 2020 6:26 PM

Nobody here thought the Senate would impeach Trump! McConnell and the Republicans are just as crooked as Trump — now taking Russian bribes like Trump —‚ and willing accomplices to all his crimes.

We know Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are probably too wimpy to prosecute these scumbags when they lose the Senate, too.

But we know the country is sick of the Republicans' shit and they're losing the Senate and White Housse this November.

So you can go fuck yourself, r428.

by Anonymousreply 440August 27, 2020 6:49 PM

Way too close. Someone like Trump must have a closet full of skeletons. Can't they release one every couple of days?

by Anonymousreply 441August 27, 2020 6:50 PM

There are hardly any "independents" or "swing voters" anymore. Less than 1 percent. That's not enough to overcome a 10 point lead.

There aren't enough swing voters and 2016 Hillary polls to save the Great Trumpkin this time.

NICE DELUSIONS, BORIS.

by Anonymousreply 442August 27, 2020 6:51 PM

R439, I have to laugh, because you have me confused with a bunch of other posters who referred to you as the sign troll. I said none of the things you’re talking about in your post. I do remember you because all you talk about are Dump signs in PA and you’re obviously for Dump. I’m from PA too, and I suspect you’re talking about some parts of lower Bucks, which are working class/ lower-middle class. While there’s a significant amount of Republicans, Bucks is a blue county and getting bluer.

Btw no one puts out Biden signs because we think Dump supporters are violent and we don’t want our cars scratched or egged. I had Obama signs both in 2008 and 2012, but I haven’t put out any signs since.

by Anonymousreply 443August 27, 2020 6:56 PM

[quote]Nobody here thought the Senate would impeach Trump!

Perhaps because the Senate cannot impeach anyone.

Trump

Was

Impeached.

Do not forget.

by Anonymousreply 444August 27, 2020 7:00 PM

Here in dinkey Spartanburg South Carolina, I am seeing an increasing amount of Biden signs in our upper-middle-class neighborhood of Converse Heights. In fact, I've seen more Biden signs in South Carolina than Trump signs.

Weird.

by Anonymousreply 445August 27, 2020 7:06 PM

I don't know where you get your delusions, r436, but the more you tighten your grip on self lies, the more Republican stars will slip straight down the shitter.

Bernie supporters listen to Bernie, not a shit-for-brains fantasist like you.

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by Anonymousreply 446August 27, 2020 7:06 PM

[quote]There are enough Bern victims who will start parroting any lies about 'corruption, Hunter" just to get back at the DNC

It seems to me that the "Bernie Bros" etc. are a much less significant force than they were in 2016. I encountered one on Facebook the other day, railing against Biden's record of going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and so on and so forth, but even he was saying we should vote for Biden "holding our nose" or whatever. There's a much more significant demographic who are horrified at Trump and drawn to Biden.

by Anonymousreply 447August 27, 2020 7:12 PM

You're a troll because you declare forecasts and make claims supported only by your "feelings" and yard signs, r439.

You're so full of shit, as the latest poll @ r435 puts Biden ahead 7 points in PA! You're lying about upper middle class whites, because Trump couldn't even carry most educated whites in 2016 and you're lying that "no one wants Biden in charge of a recovery."

Polls have ALWAYS shown the overwhelming majority of Americans believe Democrats are better at handling the economy.

[quote]Fifty-three percent of U.S. adults think Biden would handle the coronavirus pandemic better than Trump, while 37 percent think Trump would do a better job.

You just make shit up in your head, like a typical, modern Republican. Faith-based, alternative facts and Fake News is all you people have.

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by Anonymousreply 448August 27, 2020 7:18 PM

You know what I meant, r444.

No one here thought the Republican Senate would convict Trump.

by Anonymousreply 449August 27, 2020 7:20 PM

Here in the suburbs of Phoenix I see nothing but Trump and McSally signs. I wonder if the democrats are too intimidated to put out a sign. Anyway, I am living in a very conservative area so maybe that explains it. The polls are seeing both Trump and McSally are still seeing the two of them losing.

by Anonymousreply 450August 27, 2020 7:25 PM

Trump's followers are like a cult, he is a god and they are in your face about it. Biden voters are much more practical in their support, they like his positions and proposals. No one thinks Biden is a god, nor does he want them to.

Don't forget there are bombs yet to drop on Trump in the next two months: Michael Cohen's book, leaked bank records, and other October surprises. Is there really an old tape of Trump saying the N-word and the S-word?

by Anonymousreply 451August 27, 2020 7:40 PM

I suspect Trump's followers would applaud if he used the N word. They probably use it all of the time.

by Anonymousreply 452August 27, 2020 7:42 PM

What’s the S-word, r451. I can’t imagine it would be the word shit—that’s not really shocking.

by Anonymousreply 453August 27, 2020 7:47 PM

"Spick" from the evil mouth of the mobster who would be president would not be shocking, but it would not be good for his bullshit about wanting Hispanic votes while being an anti-Hispanic bigot.

by Anonymousreply 454August 27, 2020 7:50 PM

i'm waiting for the democrats to release and maybe like a roll call do it in a press conference all the names of republicans who have taken money from russia for any and all reasons....BOOM!

by Anonymousreply 455August 27, 2020 8:23 PM

[quote]It seems to me that the "Bernie Bros" etc. are a much less significant force than they were in 2016. I encountered one on Facebook the other day, railing against Biden's record of going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and so on and so forth, but even he was saying we should vote for Biden "holding our nose" or whatever. There's a much more significant demographic who are horrified at Trump and drawn to Biden.

I wouldn't disagree. But the holding the nose attitudes, esp. when people are vocal about them on SM, have the potential to depress Dem votes, and that's one of the strategies of the Trump campaign - depress the Dem vote as much as they can, any way they can.

The other strategies, obviously, are fear mongering, voter suppression, crafting a narrative that the election results won't be legitimate, and gaslighting people with a fairy tale that COVID is over and Trump created the best economy evah.

by Anonymousreply 456August 27, 2020 9:44 PM

Trump doesn't worry about what's good in the Big Picture.

Trump only worries about what the people in front of him at the moment want to hear.

by Anonymousreply 457August 27, 2020 10:58 PM

R439, that was me...I was asking about you. Yeah, this place can suck.

by Anonymousreply 458August 28, 2020 1:10 AM

I think Facebook is the new yard sign check.

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by Anonymousreply 459August 28, 2020 7:20 PM

Chuck Rocha, who used to work for Bernie Sanders claims he's worried about Biden in Nevada.

Says if Biden loses male Latinos he's finished.

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by Anonymousreply 460August 28, 2020 7:23 PM

Looks like Biden spanked the Godtoddler in the convention speech ratings!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 461August 28, 2020 7:28 PM

[quote]Chuck Rocha, who used to work for Bernie Sanders claims he's worried about Biden in Nevada. Says if Biden loses male Latinos he's finished.

A Berniebro concern troll is low on my list of concerns.

by Anonymousreply 462August 28, 2020 7:28 PM

According to a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 30 percent of registered voters said they planned to vote by mail, and 43 percent said they planned to vote in person on Election Day. But among Trump supporters, only 11 percent said they planned to vote by mail, and 66 percent said they planned to vote in person on Election Day. Among Joe Biden backers, 47 percent said they planned to vote by mail, while only 26 percent said they planned to vote in person on Election Day. (The share who said they would vote early in person was consistently 20-21 percent among all three groups: Trump supporters, Biden supporters and voters overall.)

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by Anonymousreply 463August 28, 2020 7:28 PM

Nobody uses FB anymore except the olds.

After 2016, most people know it's nothing but Russian propaganda and have tuned out.

The NYT is out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 464August 28, 2020 7:42 PM

[quote] Nobody uses FB anymore except the olds.

The olds vote.

by Anonymousreply 465August 28, 2020 7:49 PM

Do you know any moderates? Talk to them. They do watch the news, and they see what's going on in WI and MN. Ask them what they think about it.

by Anonymousreply 466August 28, 2020 7:52 PM

The DNC won all 4 nights in the ratings over the RNC. Kamala Harris's speech got 6 million more viewers than Pence's speech.

by Anonymousreply 467August 28, 2020 8:05 PM

R466, a lot of moderates hate Trump

by Anonymousreply 468August 28, 2020 8:09 PM

[QUOTE] The DNC won all 4 nights in the ratings over the RNC. Kamala Harris's speech got 6 million more viewers than Pence's speech.

If the Democrats are smart, they’ll keep feeding us Kamala. Give us as much as she can muster. I want to see her out there all day everyday.

by Anonymousreply 469August 28, 2020 8:40 PM

What do you guys think about the debates? Should there be debates or not? I actually think there should.

by Anonymousreply 470August 28, 2020 9:41 PM

Dave Wasserman:

Fast forward: today, Biden is polling spectacularly in heavily college+ suburban districts (he’s ahead in a few districts Clinton lost by 10%+!) *and* impressively overperforming Clinton in white working class districts.

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by Anonymousreply 471August 28, 2020 11:10 PM

Today's USC polls indicate a blue tsunami.

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by Anonymousreply 472August 28, 2020 11:27 PM

Don't get overconfident, bitches.

Once Trump gets all of the mail in votes for Biden thrown out, the EC will be a sea of red on election night.

by Anonymousreply 473August 28, 2020 11:41 PM

Dave Wasserman:

The upshot for Biden: because white-working class voters have dwindled as a share of the eligible electorate *everywhere* since 2016, Trump needs to not only get back to his 2016 margins w/ these voters but significantly up their turnout to stay in the game. Possible, but tough.

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by Anonymousreply 474August 28, 2020 11:43 PM

Trump is catching up.

by Anonymousreply 475August 28, 2020 11:45 PM

A lot of Trump voters from 2016 would have inevitably died of old age anyway in the following four years, but the fact that several major factors correlated with added risk of dying from COVID (being male, obese, and elderly) are also correlated with being Trump voters don't bode well.

by Anonymousreply 476August 28, 2020 11:54 PM

Thanks for mentioning that, R476. I've wondered the same thing: how many of Trump's 2016 voters have (thankfully) died in the interim? I know multiple. I'm sure Clinton voters have died as well, but what is the net effect?

by Anonymousreply 477August 28, 2020 11:57 PM

National Polls mean nothing. Individual State polls mean the most since the president is selected by electoral votes.

by Anonymousreply 478August 28, 2020 11:58 PM

Should I buy a gun?

by Anonymousreply 479August 29, 2020 12:02 AM

still wondering if i should a) vote by mail b) vote early or c) vote on election day (i'm in illinois)...getting paranoid about my vote not counting and getting "lost"....

by Anonymousreply 480August 29, 2020 12:26 AM

I live in California and they usually mail my ballot months ahead but I've received nothing.

by Anonymousreply 481August 29, 2020 12:27 AM

Ballots in Arizona are mailed out early October. I suspect Ca is similar.

by Anonymousreply 482August 29, 2020 12:36 AM

R480, I'm in Illinois, too. You can register to get a mail-in ballot. They email you that they received your request. They email you when they send it so you know to expect it. They then email you again when they receive your filled out ballot. From what I've been reading, they are also going to start putting dedicated drop off boxes in places like courthouses, village halls, libraries, etc.

And, to make you feel even better about whatever route you choose, to my great disappointment every fucking presidental election, your vote doesn't matter at all nationally. Illinois is blueblueblue.

by Anonymousreply 483August 29, 2020 12:51 AM

Do any PA voters know when they're mailing ballots here?

by Anonymousreply 484August 29, 2020 1:03 AM

R483, it’s very similar in CA. Certain states encourage voting. Red states don’t.

by Anonymousreply 485August 29, 2020 1:06 AM

In CA, ballots are delivered to the USPS on 10/5. Then we get them a few days later.

by Anonymousreply 486August 29, 2020 1:08 AM

R483, many of my family members are Trump supporters and they live in Illinois. My only consolation is knowing that their presidential votes don't count!

by Anonymousreply 487August 29, 2020 1:13 AM

Chilling and makes sense.

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by Anonymousreply 488August 29, 2020 1:14 AM

I have two family members who are big Trump supporters. But they live in Massachusetts, so their votes are meaningless.

by Anonymousreply 489August 29, 2020 1:15 AM

The race was always going to tighten, especially as we get to Labor Day. That's just politics 101. But Biden is still in a pretty damned good position. Nothing is a foregone conclusion or anything, but the swing state polls don't have me pulling my hair out. Keep working. Don't take anything for granted, but at the same time don't allow trolls to get into your head.

by Anonymousreply 490August 29, 2020 1:25 AM

Where is Trump catching up? Link please?

by Anonymousreply 491August 29, 2020 1:35 AM

Iowa

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by Anonymousreply 492August 29, 2020 1:36 AM

Europeans know how this goes. Viktor Orban, the rightist Hungarian prime minister, has established a template for the authoritarian system Trump would pursue if re-elected: neutralize an independent judiciary, demonize immigrants, claim the “people’s will” overrides constitutional checks and balances, curtail a free media, exalt a mythologized national heroism, and ultimately, like Orban or Vladimir Putin or Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan, secure a form of autocratic rule that retains a veneer of democracy while skewing the contest sufficiently to ensure it can yield only one result.

In fact, of course, Trump has long since started down this road. He has Attorney General William Barr’s Justice Department in his pocket. He is on course, as he boasted in his speech, to appoint more than 300 federal judges. He already has his sights on The Washington Post’s owner, Jeff Bezos.

He is working hard at voter suppression and attempts to disqualify legitimate votes. “Mail ballots, they cheat,” the president claims. Mail ballots are “substantially fraudulent.” Mail ballots “will be printed by foreign countries.”

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by Anonymousreply 493August 29, 2020 1:38 AM

Trump makes "Meet John Doe" look like "Meet Me in St. Louis"!

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by Anonymousreply 494August 29, 2020 1:41 AM

[quote]Chuck Rocha, who used to work for Bernie Sanders claims he's worried about Biden in Nevada.

The biggest enemy of Nevada Republicans is Nevada Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 495August 29, 2020 3:21 AM

This is super important.

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by Anonymousreply 496August 29, 2020 4:06 AM

Why isn't Obama out there every day, from his very influential and unique position, talking about all of the things going on right now? Is he holding back for some reason? To let Biden be the front man? To not outshine him? To not contradict him? If that is any plan of the Biden campaign, this will go down in history as the same mistake Gore made not using Clinton.

by Anonymousreply 497August 29, 2020 6:19 AM

The article at R496 is maddening. The riots caused by right wing lunatics in country run by Trump and his Repug cabal of criminals with a Justice Department headed by the elephantine Barr that is more interested in creating and autocracy than creating peace are the fault of the Democrats??? There's not even a speck of reality. Maybe if the media stopped pretending it was true it wouldn't, ya know, be a talking point.

by Anonymousreply 498August 29, 2020 6:26 AM

Nothing wrong with The Atlantic article. The situation in Wisconsin could be addressed smarter and more aggressively by Dems. This state is vital for Biden's win and he needs to less preach to the converted and not lose the important swing voters. Democrats are notorious in screwing things up themselves.

by Anonymousreply 499August 29, 2020 8:50 AM

The media needs to start reporting that what is happening is that the BLM protests are peaceful and then the white right wing assholes show up at night to start all the violence. They know it, they just don't say it. They track the vans. They have the vans filled with weapons from out of state. They know who is coming and where they are coming from but still they don't report it and just keep pretending that the BLM protests and the violent right wing riots are one and the same.

by Anonymousreply 500August 29, 2020 8:54 AM

Yeah, r499, we really screwed things up in 2008 when Obama was elected and then when he was re-elected. I hate Dems who bitch about other Dems but give a free pass to Republicans

by Anonymousreply 501August 29, 2020 4:01 PM

R501, past performance isn't indicative of future results.

by Anonymousreply 502August 29, 2020 4:07 PM

Last time it was largely the Bernie cult that ruined things.

This time it’s BLM. They’re not even voting and they’re turning off moderates.

by Anonymousreply 503August 29, 2020 4:27 PM

r503, moderates are turned off by members of the far right who lionize racists like Kyle Rittenhouse

by Anonymousreply 504August 29, 2020 4:29 PM

Stephen Miller’s Dystopian America

Language is a tool for shaping minds, and Miller knows how to weaponize it.

By Jean Guerrero

Ms. Guerrero is the author of “Hatemonger: Stephen Miller, Donald Trump and the White Nationalist Agenda.”

Aug. 28, 2020

Over the past week, the Republican National Convention sought to conjure a “radical left” hellscape.

Speakers conflated anti-racist protesters with deranged criminals out to destroy the country. Donald Trump Jr. called Joe Biden “the Loch Ness monster,” while the conservative activist Charlie Kirk praised Donald Trump as “the bodyguard of Western civilization.” In his speech on Thursday, the president denounced “mob rule.” “Your vote will decide whether we protect law-abiding Americans, or whether we give free rein to violent anarchists and agitators, and criminals who threaten our citizens,” he said.

The language at the convention comes from the “white genocide” conspiracy theory, which warns, among other things, that brown and Black people will destroy white civilization with the help of their anti-racist allies. It echoed that of the racist-dystopian novel “The Camp of the Saints,” which Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s senior policy adviser and speechwriter, promoted in 2015 through the right-wing website Breitbart.

The book, by the French author Jean Raspail, characterizes “anti-racists” as an apocalyptic “mob” of “agitators” and “anarchists,” and depicts the destruction of the white world by brown refugees described as “monsters,” “beasts” and “toiling ants teeming for the white man’s comfort.” He wrote of a world where “anti-racists” are “servants of the beast” tainted by the “milk of human kindness.” Empathy and interracial ally-ship are associated with primitive bodily functions.

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Language is a tool for shaping minds, and Mr. Miller knows how to weaponize it. It’s why he draws from books like Mr. Raspail’s to shape rhetoric. It’s why, in 2015, he asked writers at Breitbart to produce an article about the parallels between the book and real life that painted the book as prophetic. It’s also why he inserts vivid, gory descriptions of crimes ostensibly committed by migrants into Mr. Trump’s speeches.

In July, Mr. Miller told Tucker Carlson that the federal crackdown on anti-racist protesters in Portland, Ore., was about “the survival of this country.” In an interview with the radio host Larry O’Connor that month, he said the priority of the administration was protecting America from the dangers of “cancel culture,” which he described as “a very grave threat to American freedom.”

Mr. Trump is leaning on Mr. Miller’s dystopian vision to stoke white fear the way Mr. Miller did in 2016, when he helped his boss depict Democrats as elites seeking to “decimate” America through immigration. This time around the targets have expanded beyond Mexicans and Muslims to include Black Lives Matter protesters and their allies. The Trump campaign’s strategy is to cast the president’s opponents as an existential threat to the nation.

The term “cancel culture,” used throughout the Republican convention, lumps together and demonizes critics of white male supremacy, in an attempt to silence them. The use of the term in this context allows the far right to dictate the terms of the conversation, as does the news media’s reluctance to call Mr. Trump and his chief adviser what they are: traffickers in hate, pushing a white nationalist agenda through narratives about national identity, prosperity and security.

Mr. Miller seeks to re-engineer immigration into this country to keep brown and Black people out, because he sees them as threat to America’s prosperity and national security. It explains why his policies disproportionately affect migrant families from Latin America and Africa, and why the federal government is using force against anti-racist protesters in cities run by Democrats. This obsession with the supposed dangers of people of color, particularly immigrants or left-wing extremists, ignores reality. Right-wing extremists have committed the most terrorist attacks in the United States since the 1990s.

Officials say that a 17-year-old named Kyle Rittenhouse opened fire on people during a protest in Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday, killing two and wounding a third. Mr. Rittenhouse, a supporter of Mr. Trump and the pro-law enforcement “Blue Lives Matter” movement, traveled to Kenosha from his home in Antioch, Ill., in response to online appeals from a right-wing militia group to “protect” businesses, property and lives from “rioters,” investigators say.

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Last August, a gunman drove to a Walmart in El Paso, targeting Hispanics in massacre that left 23 people dead. The man charged in the killings, Patrick Crusius, wrote an anti-immigrant manifesto that spoke of a “Hispanic invasion of Texas,” mirroring Mr. Trump’s characterization of migrants from Central and South America as perpetrating “an invasion of our country.”

False Black and brown crime statistics are a common recruiting tactic in white supremacist circles; the website American Renaissance, which Mr. Miller also promoted through Breitbart, pumps out misleading statistics characterizing people of color as more prone to violence. These words take on a life of their own and serve to further radicalize an already divided citizenry.

Mary Ann Mendoza, an “angel mom” whose son was killed by a driver who was in the United States illegally, was scheduled to speak at the Republican convention. She was dropped from the convention lineup after she retweeted an anti-Semitic QAnon conspiracy theory. Mr. Miller has repeatedly given her a platform from which to spew fabricated migrant crime statistics that inaccurately paint migrants as more innately violent than citizens.

As Mr. Trump increasingly adopts the playbook of white supremacists, a new solidarity is emerging among white, Black, brown and other groups as they confront the growing threat of right-wing extremism together. The Joe Biden-Kamala Harris ticket reflects this new solidarity.

“Trump knows that if we find real solidarity, it’s a wrap,” said Aida Rodriguez, an Afro-Latina activist. “We’re all waking up to it, and you’re going to see it in November.” These alliances are a real-life manifestation of the mob of Mr. Miller’s nightmares. But that “mob” will not destroy America, as he imagines. It will destroy the white supremacist fantasy he and so many others live inside.

Jean Guerrero (@jeanguerre), an investigative journalist, is the author of the book “Hatemonger: Stephen Miller, Donald Trump and the White Nationalist Agenda.”

by Anonymousreply 507August 29, 2020 4:36 PM

R483... oh, i know illinois is blue blue blue, but i still want my vote to count... i DID just request a mail in vote ballot, hopefully i'll get it soon, will fill it out and walk my butt directly to a election mail box of heck the election board at the nearest courthouse to insure my ballot got to where it should be going....

off topic, but i'm currently or was in a facebook argument with people who are against ALL PROTEST peaceful or not because they think that these protesters are protesting the wrong thing! that instead they and everyone should be protesting violence and murder AGAINST THE POLICE, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND? .......never mind, the police are the ones who are SUPPOSE to "serve and protect", never mind, the police are the ones who are suppose to be "above it all" and "trained to not kill and murder", never mind, citizens are killed at 3 times the rate of the police and blacks are killed 3 times as more as those that are killed by the police! NONE OF THESE TRUTHS REGISTER IN ANY of these people's minds!..

by Anonymousreply 508August 29, 2020 5:20 PM

Worse than bad ratings:

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by Anonymousreply 509August 30, 2020 5:24 AM

Harry Enten:

If the initial polling we've seen post-convention is matched by others... Then for Trump to win, he will have to be the first president since Truman in 48 to come back after trailing post-convention.

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by Anonymousreply 510August 30, 2020 10:52 AM

R509 that article is from June. Things changed since then.

Wisconsin and Minnesota, in particular, are shifting in the polls. And Biden can't win without those. He would need Florida.

by Anonymousreply 511August 30, 2020 11:03 AM

R511, the polls don't show a shift in WI, only in MN (check out 538's aggregate poll chart). Funnily enough, the polls in MN are back to where they were in May, before George Floyd's murder. Biden had enjoyed a jump that he then lost. It's close though.

by Anonymousreply 512August 30, 2020 11:11 AM

Re R50999999, what's the opposite of a troll, someone who intentionally submits posts like that one?

by Anonymousreply 513August 30, 2020 1:16 PM

R512: I’ll make sure to check “538’s” post .... when it happens.

by Anonymousreply 514August 30, 2020 1:19 PM

R514, the website 538.

by Anonymousreply 515August 30, 2020 1:23 PM

Amy Klobuchar on ABC's "This Week" speaking about Biden's response to protests and civil unrest, acting as though she were Biden's VP candidate of choice.

by Anonymousreply 516August 30, 2020 1:27 PM

One of the hazards of absentee voting, which, let's be frank, is the only sane way to vote in this election, is that people will put off filling out and submitting their ballot or just forget about it until it's too late. But that cuts both ways.

by Anonymousreply 517August 30, 2020 1:32 PM

Biden has announced that he will be hitting the campaign trail after Labor Day, making in-person appearances at campaign rallies.

Finally, signs of life from the Biden camp.

by Anonymousreply 518August 30, 2020 1:34 PM

r497, in case you haven't noticed the Biden strategy is to keep a low profile, make a few well-timed appearances, and let Trump spend his time punching at the air. It seems to be working well. Trump would love to run against Obama again as it worked for him in 2016, but if Obama stays out of the fight he really can't do that.

by Anonymousreply 519August 30, 2020 1:42 PM

R519, it did seem to be working well; with the tightening of the polls, though, Biden has to step it up. The question is whether he's up to it. He's historically been a disastrous presidential candidate.

by Anonymousreply 520August 30, 2020 2:11 PM

What r520 said.

Seriously, my fear is that he is neither physically or mentally fit for the challenge. He's too low energy to fire up a crowd, and doesn't seem committed or focused. I think Jill wants this more than he does.

by Anonymousreply 521August 30, 2020 3:03 PM

[quote]One of the hazards of absentee voting, which, let's be frank, is the only sane way to vote in this election

There is no more threat to vote in-person than going to the grocery store. As long as you wear a mask you will be just fine.

by Anonymousreply 522August 30, 2020 4:17 PM

According to a new poll post-convention:

[quote]President Donald Trump's efforts to build his appeal and define his opponent at the Republican National Convention, using pageantry and the White House as the backdrop, had little apparent impact on the electorate's impressions of both him and former Vice President Joe Biden, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.

[quote] Trump's week of celebration did not improve his favorability, even among his own base, and the country still remains widely critical of his handling of the major crisis of his presidency: COVID-19.Trump finds himself in a much different position than his chief rival.

[quote] In the new survey, which was conducted using Ipsos' KnowledgePanel, Biden's favorability remains higher than his unfavorability, 46% to 40%, solidifying his improvement in favorability from last week, when attitudes about the Democratic nominee improved to a net positive from his slightly underwater position prior to the convention.

[quote] Biden's favorability ticked up from 40% in an Aug. 13 poll to 45% just after the Democratic convention. Among Democrats, too, Biden's favorability climbed seven points after his convention -- showing signs that he's solidified support among his base. But Trump's favorability dipped slightly -- by four points among Republicans in the newest survey.

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by Anonymousreply 523August 30, 2020 8:08 PM

Harry Enten:

Biden has a larger lead of any challenger at this point against an elected incumbent since... Well ever tbh. (Note: this includes Perot questions from 92.) Part of that is an unpopular incumbent, but it's plausible Biden's a better candidate than many here give him credit for.

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by Anonymousreply 524August 30, 2020 10:47 PM

Your concern is noted R521. *rolls eyes*

by Anonymousreply 525August 30, 2020 11:19 PM

Poosie Grabber, Pootie, and Talibie.

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by Anonymousreply 526August 30, 2020 11:45 PM

Donald Trump needed a big convention bounce that would lift him ahead of his opponent — the game-changing bounces that both Bushes and Bill Clinton got. This was Trump's last chance to turn the odds in his favor.

Sadly, he didn't do that. Trump's convention and the Kenosha looting will be long forgotten by November 3. But COVID-19 will be escalating and Trump still won't care. The recession will be deepening as Republican senators obstruct relief and Trump won't stop them.

Trump's only chances of winning are now like 2016. He'll have to flip a couple of swing states and sneak into office through the Electoral College against the the popular vote which he has certainly lost.

He can do that, especially with the mail sabotage and Russian shenanigans he's so fond of. But will the 3,000th cry of "wolf" and play-acting concern for the issues be the one that finally convinces Americans outside Trump's base?

I think not.

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by Anonymousreply 527August 31, 2020 12:15 AM

So what's the plan, man ?

by Anonymousreply 528August 31, 2020 6:25 AM

Looks like Not Being Trump is the only plan a candidate needs right now.

by Anonymousreply 529August 31, 2020 9:13 AM

R529, are you sure you wanna go on the record with that? Didn’t you learn a lesson in 2016 dude?

by Anonymousreply 530August 31, 2020 1:30 PM

Polls Schmolls - my advice to the candidates is not to count on them. It's what goes on in the voters minds on election day that really matters.

by Anonymousreply 531August 31, 2020 2:26 PM

POLL: Biden +6 Over Trump Among Active Duty Troops

Sorry, Donald: The latest Military Times poll shows a continued decline in active-duty service members’ views of President Donald Trump and a slight but significant preference for former Vice President Joe Biden in the upcoming November election.

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by Anonymousreply 532August 31, 2020 2:28 PM

r530, if you want any more criticism of Joe Biden, you're going to have to pull it out of yourself.

by Anonymousreply 533August 31, 2020 3:07 PM

Harry Enten's analysis is comforting.

That said, the poll averages and approval/disapproval are trending in the wrong directions.

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by Anonymousreply 534August 31, 2020 3:40 PM

The best ways to vote in every state. Out today.

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by Anonymousreply 535August 31, 2020 3:42 PM

Opinion THE CONVERSATION

Joe Biden Had Better Watch It

After Trump’s unconventional convention, there is danger for the former vice president all over the political landscape.

By Gail Collins and Bret Stephens

Aug. 31, 2020

Bret Stephens: Hi, Gail. I’m dying to hear your take on the Republican convention. Mine in a nutshell: Joe Biden had better watch out.

Gail Collins: OK, open the nutshell — what should Biden be quivering over? Donald Trump’s seating arrangement for his speech? (Loved that squished-together audience.) Or Mike Pence’s rhetorical genius?

Bret: I need to be careful with the analogy here, so take this as a purely tactical comment. But I fear the Biden campaign has built its Maginot Line along the character-decency-goodness front, while the Trump campaign has launched its, er, Blitzkrieg against Biden’s left flank, aiming at the strategic Belgian town of (checks map) Kenosha.

Gail: Famous, in happier days, for its Cheese Castle.

This is the really sad part of the election year craziness. Kenosha’s people don’t want more trouble — and the same is true of Portland. But at times when everybody’s angry and twitchy, you need a well-run police department and an absence of political jerks who want to look like tough guys for their campaign.

As Joe Biden says, the job of the president is to lower the temperature. As the convention demonstrated, all Trump wants to do is raise it.

Bret: More broadly, the convention helped Trump politically in a bunch of ways. It did what every demagogic party needs to do: create a far-enemy, China, and a near-enemy, the radical left. It painted Biden as an enabler of both. It gave voters something visceral to fear: a progressive mob coming for your suburb, your job and your right to speak your mind. It painted Trump as a straight shooter whose coarseness was courage and whose rudeness was honesty. It gave shy Trump voters moral cover with its long list of Black speakers. And it promised economic growth as opposed to moral restoration.

I get that much of this is very distant from the truth. But Trump is now playing offense, and Biden needs a better counterattack than deploying a platoon of fact checkers.

Gail: Conventions don’t generally move the needle themselves — not over the long run. And if the target was undecided voters, I’ll bet there were at least 12 watching at home.

Bret: Not sure if I agree that there aren’t a lot of undecideds, but go on.

Gail: But if your worry is about Biden needing a more focused, aggressive campaign, you’re right. I’m hoping we’ll see that soon. Very soon. Cannot be overly soon.

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This Zucchini Tian Is Nonna-Inspired Cooking at Restaurant Speed Bret: The Democratic convention succeeded in uniting the party behind Biden. The Bernie Folk aren’t going to be sitting this election out, much less voting third party.

Now Biden has to counterpunch. He must say that the first order of business in restoring “law and order” is to get rid of the most lawless, disorderly and disordered president in American history. He has to give a stirring pro-police speech to some police union, akin to his speech this weekend to the National Guard, stressing the unity of every blue-collar worker.

Gail: The police unions are going to be tough. I was so depressed when the head of New York City’s P.B.A. showed up as a Republican convention speaker.

Bret: Biden has to take on the allegation that he’s mentally feeble by challenging Trump to additional debates. He has to say about Trump what Mary McCarthy once said about Lillian Hellman: that every word he says is a lie, including “and” and “the.” He has to mock a “people’s president” who stiffs his suppliers, scams his students and is currently swindling the American people. He needs to challenge Trump to a new kind of push-up contest: Do a push-up, show a year of tax returns.

Gail: Love the Trump push-up image. ...

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Bret: And he has to get out in front of people, lots of them. The Biden campaign needs to figure out the public rally equivalent of safe sex: exciting, energetic, passionate, frictional — but virus-free.

What’s your advice?

Gail: I kinda think three debates plus one for the vice-presidential candidates is enough. More than that and they just become gaffe-traps. The only public takeaway is who said or did something stupid.

With these two guys I don’t think we need to go the extra mile just for a blooper or two.

But you’re right that Biden has to run an aggressive campaign that goes way beyond reminding people he’s nicer than Trump. And he needs a few resounding messages.

If you were advising him, what three issues would you tell him to stress?

Bret: The Supreme Court, for starters. A second Trump term almost certainly means a third (Ruth Bader Ginsburg), fourth (Stephen Breyer) and possibly fifth (Clarence Thomas) Trump pick. Roe v. Wade doesn’t survive on that court. If I were Biden, I’d ask Kamala Harris to go on a swing through Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, New Hampshire and Wisconsin to explain that if Trump wins, legal abortion will become a thing of the past for every woman living in a red state.

Gail: Trump talks about his judicial appointments as one of his greatest accomplishments. That’s all thanks to Mitch McConnell, who refused to take up many of Barack Obama’s nominees from his first day as majority leader. I know that’s kind of inside baseball, but I wish there’d be a way to portray the president as McConnell’s Minion.

Bret: A second is ethics. Has the swamp ever been swampier than under Trump? Who elected Ivanka to rule over us? How did Jared get to lord it over us? Who turned the White House into a stage prop? Since when does the president use his office to blackmail foreign leaders into doing him political favors? Why is it that nearly everyone who has ever worked for Trump, people like John Bolton and John Kelly, finds him despicable? And did he get somebody to take his S.A.T.s for him? Biden should run a five-minute online spot titled “A Cheater From the Beginning.” Highlights would include bone spurs, (alleged!) cheating on the S.A.T.s and Marla Maples.

Gail: OK, I love that one.

Bret: Third issue: Dictator suck-up. No president in history has ever had nicer things to say about America’s enemies than Trump, just as no president has ever had nastier things to say about America’s friends. I also can imagine the imagery for this: Trump at Helsinki with Vladimir Putin, Trump at Panmunjom with Kim Jong-un, Trump in Osaka with Xi Jinping, Trump in the White House with Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

What about you? What are your three?

Gail: First, the pandemic. Biden should remind people constantly that when he was vice-president there was an office of the federal government devoted to preventing this exact kind of crisis, and that Trump dismantled it.

Bret: Agree. And that he spent weeks pretending the virus would just disappear like morning dew.

Gail: Which would lead into my No. 2 issue: health care. Trump may deny it, but his assaults on Obamacare have put coverage of pre-existing conditions in jeopardy. Biden actually wants to give people more insurance options, earlier access to Medicare and address the cost of prescription drugs, which Trump also likes to talk about.

Bret: Don’t agree, but I see the political logic. Go on. ...

by Anonymousreply 537August 31, 2020 3:54 PM

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Gail: And I’m really glad he’s going to be campaigning on gun control. That’s not actually a No. 3, but it just feels like an issue whose time, as they say, has come.

Bret: Completely agree. And it might happen faster than you think. It took people like Huey Newton and the Black Panthers to get Ronald Reagan, when he was the governor of California, to push for gun control. Watch that happen again the moment the far left starts asserting its Second Amendment rights as forcefully as the far right does.

Gail: Well, Bret, we’re taking a post-convention conversation break next week. But when we come back, it’ll be eight weeks to Election Day. Cooler weather but I’ll bet hotter politics.

by Anonymousreply 538August 31, 2020 3:55 PM

R484 I haven't seen an exact date for when ballots will be mailed in PA, but people I've spoke to seem to think it's the first or second week of September.

by Anonymousreply 539August 31, 2020 4:18 PM

r530, Biden is an old white mainstream Democrat. He is far from Trump as he is from Hillary.

Tired of people comparing 2016 to 2020.

No misogyny, plus a Trump record.

Nuff said.

by Anonymousreply 540August 31, 2020 4:24 PM

[quote]I haven't seen an exact date for when ballots will be mailed in PA,

Bill Maher said on last week's show that they start September 14.

by Anonymousreply 541August 31, 2020 4:26 PM

Disgusting.

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by Anonymousreply 542August 31, 2020 4:38 PM

🤐 [italic] Nobody knows nothin 'bout whose gonna win this election.

by Anonymousreply 543August 31, 2020 5:21 PM

[Quote]Nobody knows nothin 'bout whose gonna win this election

Of course not. All people can say is what is likely to happen if the election were held right now.

The answer is it is very likely Joe Biden would win.

by Anonymousreply 544August 31, 2020 5:30 PM

Ohio burbs here. My road backs up to one of those golf course burbs where the houses run about $1million to start.

I was out walking the dog yesterday as I do and she stopped to sniff some bushes.

At a house nearby, there were two old, white couples sitting in the yard (socially distanced) and talking. At first I ignored them but then I heard one of the men say "Obama" so I shamelessly eavesdropped.

Guy was saying how Obama had to get us out of a recession that dumbya (my word) got us into. That the economy was fine until "Trump opened his mouth". Crosstalk I couldn't make out then one of the women, "well, I would support him but he can't keep his mouth shut! And that stupid tweeting!"

More crosstalk (for once I'm ok with the dog trying to smell every blade of grass).

Man's voice saying "the economy isn't going to improve until we get rid of this virus."

Then the dog moved on. I have to say I was really surprised to hear these (probably rethug) people fed up. If there are more fed up rethugs out there in the burbs, fat and orange is done.

by Anonymousreply 545August 31, 2020 5:53 PM

R545, thanks for that. I really hope you're right.

by Anonymousreply 546August 31, 2020 6:00 PM

One of the most lasting wins of the cheating, including hacking the vote, that took place in 2016 was to make everyone always question polls. It's going to make it much easier when they cheat again because people have now been brainwashed to think that it must be the polls that were wrong, not the results.

by Anonymousreply 547August 31, 2020 6:10 PM

Biden is 68 out of 100 now. Was 69 for a week, 73 a week before that. He's got to condemn the violence forcefully, and those weakling governors and mayors need to crack down.

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by Anonymousreply 548August 31, 2020 6:53 PM

R545 is encouraging. But Biden has to be out on the stump every day, and step up the attacks to brand Trump as the lawless potus. And there are better ways to say that Trump "fomented violence". The speechwriters should talk to Bill Clinton and stick to direct plain talk, not cliche phrases.

The Atlantic last week, and that article above make good points. Hopefully the Biden campaign manager is reading and listening to the critique of the campaign strategy.

by Anonymousreply 549August 31, 2020 8:04 PM

What we do know is Chump is polling about the same as Ford, Carter, and Bush Sr. at this point. They, of course, were not reelected. Trump is also the first impeached incumbent seeking reelection and the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation. His favorable rating among independent voters is *38 percent*. He embarrassingly bungled COVID-19 and the second wave will flareup in October. Michael Cohen's book will hit the shelves in a few weeks, with front page news about the pee tapes.

That's a lot to overcome in 60 days.

by Anonymousreply 550August 31, 2020 8:22 PM

Agreed r549.

Biden has to get out there and campaign strong and hard. He needs to be a constant visible and vocal presence. Time to get to work and win.

by Anonymousreply 551August 31, 2020 8:23 PM

I'm on it, r550!

by Anonymousreply 552August 31, 2020 8:27 PM

Highly rated Emerson poll out today had Trump above water on approval, and Biden up by just 3 overall.

Other polls released today show Biden WAY up in Pennsylvania, and in the lead in GA. Even the bad (very bad) HarrisX pill has Biden up by 9 overall.

It's all over the place. Those Emerson numbers worry me. Let's see what this week brings.

by Anonymousreply 553August 31, 2020 8:28 PM

I always vote Green but you hysterical queens should accept that in reality there is a 98% chance Trump has it in the bag already. So move on with your sad lives.

by Anonymousreply 554August 31, 2020 8:40 PM

The Emerson poll is a good poll for Trump r553, but I'd wait for some high quality live caller polls to drop to give us a better view of the current race.

by Anonymousreply 555August 31, 2020 8:46 PM

Yawn r554. Yes, there is certainly someone here whose life is sad.

by Anonymousreply 556August 31, 2020 8:50 PM

R554 Can you provide data to support your claim?

by Anonymousreply 557August 31, 2020 8:52 PM

Yes, r557 ...... Trump Tweets @ 3:00 am, then puts in a full day, and then some.

Biden breaks @ 3:00 PM for a nap.

by Anonymousreply 558August 31, 2020 9:10 PM

Trump doesn’t tweet at 3:00 am you nitwit. He has a flunky do it. There re numerous accounts of how he doesn’t even start his day until about 10-11 am.

by Anonymousreply 559August 31, 2020 9:13 PM

[quote] Trump puts in a full day, and then some.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing posted on this site ever.

by Anonymousreply 560August 31, 2020 9:16 PM

R554 is a deplorable who couldn't even pick out the color green let alone vote Green.

by Anonymousreply 561August 31, 2020 9:18 PM

Just watched Biden's speech from Pittsburgh today, on YouTube.

Nothing new to say or offer. Kamala better light a fire under him if we're gonna take DC.

by Anonymousreply 562August 31, 2020 9:24 PM

[quote] Trump is also the first impeached incumbent seeking reelection

Too bad he didn't follow in the footsteps of one of the other two impeached incumbents -- Andrew Johnson wasn't even renominated by his party for President.

by Anonymousreply 563August 31, 2020 9:28 PM

I just blocked r558. He’s the main troll on this thread. Suddenly everything smells nicer!

by Anonymousreply 564August 31, 2020 9:28 PM

67.

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by Anonymousreply 565August 31, 2020 10:07 PM

Emerson poll isn't great.

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by Anonymousreply 566August 31, 2020 10:18 PM

General election polling.

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by Anonymousreply 567August 31, 2020 10:27 PM

[quote] Emerson poll isn't great.

Isn't great for whom?

53% Disapproval

43% Approval

Approval is always around 40%. Were you expecting it to drop into the 30s after the convention?

by Anonymousreply 568August 31, 2020 10:36 PM

R554

Wow, you sound really authentic. Like an actual real-life progressive leftist gay man. Very convincing--you don't sound at all like a right-wing heterosexual disinformation troll. Not even a little...

Can you tell me more information that portrays the situation as hopeless so I should give up and not vote? I mean, as a genuine, not-fake-at-all progressive who likes to "keep it real" with other gay guys, I could really use more input from you.

/end sarcasm

GTFO of here straight boy. Your game is C- at best.

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by Anonymousreply 569August 31, 2020 10:52 PM

Love r569

R554 go fuck yourself. Worked in 2016, doesn’t work today

by Anonymousreply 570August 31, 2020 10:59 PM

R570

xoxoxoxoxo

by Anonymousreply 571August 31, 2020 11:02 PM

In the limited post-RNC polling we have so far, Harry Enten calculates that Trump has gotten about a 2-point bump:

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by Anonymousreply 572August 31, 2020 11:14 PM

[quote]Trump puts in a full day, and then some.

A full day of watching FOX News, stuffing his fat face with KFC and tweeting nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 573August 31, 2020 11:30 PM

[quote]then puts in a full day, and then some.

Well those Bic Macs aren't going to eat themselves, are they?

by Anonymousreply 574August 31, 2020 11:39 PM

Democrats have voter registration advantage in four battleground states

Aug. 30, 2020

A look at voter registrations in four key battleground states since 2016 shows how the political age divide could have real impact this fall.

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by Anonymousreply 575August 31, 2020 11:41 PM

Polltroll, that info from NBC is sketchy.

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by Anonymousreply 576September 1, 2020 1:45 AM

Biden leads by 1 in Texas, Georgia and Ohio.

by Anonymousreply 577September 1, 2020 1:58 AM

MSNBC says there will be a fact-checker present at the first debate. I think Chump will back out at the last minute over "bias."

by Anonymousreply 578September 1, 2020 2:16 AM

R576, Ron Brownstein said today that the piece at R575 is a good one, but I suppose there is a certain amount of subjectivity involved.

by Anonymousreply 579September 1, 2020 3:11 AM

Beto is on the right track. If Texas ever goes reliably blue, it's game over. The Republicans would never hold the presidency again. Of course, at that point, we'd also finally be able to get rid of the stupid Electoral College because the remaining red states would finally realize that they'd never have a winning candidate. At least with the results being based on the actual national vote, everyone's votes would finally matter.

by Anonymousreply 580September 1, 2020 3:33 AM

I think I see the problem with what you posted nat R575. It looks like they're taking the difference between registered Democrats and Republicans and are saying it's a increase in voter registration.

These numbers from what I posted at r576 look closer to reality for Pennsylvania. They also check out with what I've been following in the Courier.

[quote]Net Shift in Pa. Voter Registrations, 2016 to 2020

[quote]Between the 2016 and 2020 primary elections, Democratic voter registrations increased by 30,506, or 0.7%, while Republican voter registrations increased by 164,778, or 5.2%.

by Anonymousreply 581September 1, 2020 3:37 AM

Voter registrations are irrelevant unless the people, you know, actually VOTE.

by Anonymousreply 582September 1, 2020 3:51 AM

But, r581:

[quoteDemocrats still maintain an 800,000-voter edge over Republicans. But that’s down from 936,000 in 2016, when Trump still won the state by less than 1%.

It was Democrats who put PA in the Trump camp in 2016 (just barely). And he's trailing badly in that state. So ....

by Anonymousreply 583September 1, 2020 3:57 AM

He's not trailing as badly as you think, r583. I'd say the live caller polls are less accurate when it comes to Trump.

by Anonymousreply 584September 1, 2020 4:13 AM

What's the evidence for that, r583?

by Anonymousreply 585September 1, 2020 4:48 AM

Two new PA polls were released today that show Biden leading by +9 and +10.

by Anonymousreply 586September 1, 2020 5:01 AM

I EAT DOG SHIT I FIND IN THE STREET!

by Anonymousreply 587September 1, 2020 7:08 AM

Morning Consult Poll, results released this morning:

Biden leads Trump by 9 points, 52% to 43% – identical to a poll conducted before the Democratic National Convention earlier this month.

Biden saw his favorability improve to 51% after conventions concluded, while 55% continue to view Trump unfavorably.

At the state level, the the numbers have stayed basically from pre- to post-convention. The exception is Arizona, where Biden has turned a 2 point deficit into a 10 point lead. (!!!)

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by Anonymousreply 588September 1, 2020 11:31 AM

A top Democratic data and analytics firm told “Axios on HBO” it’s highly likely that President Trump will appear to have won — potentially in a landslide — on election night, even if he ultimately loses when all the votes are counted. Way more Democrats will vote by mail than Republicans, due to fears of the coronavirus, and it will take days if not weeks to tally these.

This means Trump, thanks to Republicans doing almost all of their voting in person, could hold big electoral college and popular vote leads on election night.

It also means he'll spend days or not weeks claiming to have won, which will cause chaos when/if Biden is declared the eventual winner.

by Anonymousreply 589September 1, 2020 1:29 PM

Poll Troll at R579, that's the Pennsylvania troll you're talking to, he's claiming every PA poll is wrong and that his own personal observations (which are always pro-Trump) are the real truth. He's been doing it for years.

by Anonymousreply 590September 1, 2020 1:36 PM

R589, that's terrifying. I could see GOP state governors ordering stoppages of vote counting after Trump claims massive mail fraud. Then Barr and the Supreme Court will get involved, stopping all voting and declaring Trump the winner.

by Anonymousreply 591September 1, 2020 1:59 PM

Furthermore, r590, that article shows that, unlike PAtroll’s “facts” about yard signs, Bucks County is bluer than it was in 2016. You can see the entire 5-county Philadelphia area is blue, when three of the five were red in 2016 (including Bucks). And in 2018/2019, Montgomery and Bucks kicked out their Republican-led government.

by Anonymousreply 592September 1, 2020 1:59 PM

I have a question for the experts (not you, PATroll, btw); I know California takes awhile to count mail in ballots, but is that the case with other states? If so, I actually see the networks holding back on declaring a winner until they can confidently consider the mail in ballots. For example, if someone was ahead by 100,000 votes, and there are 75,000 mail in ballots left to be counted, they could declare a winner in that state. But if it’s the reverse, they can’t. Since 2000, I believe the networks have been pretty careful.

Wasn’t that the issue in Arizona? Didn’t Krysten Synema (who was trailing election night) catch up after the mail in ballots were counted? There was no winner declared until all of them were counted.

by Anonymousreply 593September 1, 2020 2:05 PM

The networks won't declare a winner, but they will report vote totals -- and Trump will claim victory based on those.

by Anonymousreply 594September 1, 2020 2:24 PM

It appears that Konacki is creaming his khakis over Joe Kennedy losing Senate in MA.

Closet Conservative.

by Anonymousreply 595September 1, 2020 2:27 PM

63 days.

Narrowing.

R595, the other guy is AOC's guy. Kennedy is Pelosi's guy.

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by Anonymousreply 596September 1, 2020 2:27 PM

So the only transformational bump so far was in Arizona, which was already trending Biden all year.

Trump's convention and the Kenosha looting will be forgotten on Nov. 3. But the recession will be worsening because of McConnell's obstruction of stimulus and COVID will be escalating because of Trump's indifference.

I smell elephants down the shitter.

by Anonymousreply 597September 1, 2020 2:48 PM

The Tangerine Twat really thought in May that if you just open everything and hide the COVID infection numbers, the economy could rebound and make him President by Election Day.

What a Tangerine Twat! No wonder he bankrupted so many businesses.

by Anonymousreply 598September 1, 2020 2:51 PM

R597, re stimulus, I fear that most Americans, who are deeply ignorant, will blame "that Pelosi" for the absence of a second stimulus bill. Because they don't understand that the House already passed a decent bill. The GOP will say "they haven't passed a bill" or "they never passed anything we could work with" and the press will both-sides it.

by Anonymousreply 599September 1, 2020 2:54 PM

R597, re stimulus, I fear that most Americans, who are deeply ignorant, will blame "that Pelosi" for the absence of a second stimulus bill. Because they don't understand that the House already passed a decent bill. The GOP will say "they haven't passed a bill" or "they never passed anything we could work with" and the press will both-sides it.

by Anonymousreply 600September 1, 2020 2:54 PM

Of course Republican leaders will distort the issue that way and the majority of equally dishonest Republican voters will accept it.

But they're a minority, however sizeable. They're on-track to lose the Senate and more House seats.

And Democrats can counter the lies with the truth if they stay on-message and endorse the House plan.

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by Anonymousreply 601September 1, 2020 3:42 PM

Republicans haven't accepted responsibility for any mistake, even massively deadly disasters, since the 1990s. Of course they're going to blame the opposition.

by Anonymousreply 602September 1, 2020 3:43 PM
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