Fox News asking: Could Trump drop out?

A stretch of lackluster polling for President Trump has some Republican operatives nervous about the president’s reelection prospects in November – with some even floating the possibility for the first time that Trump could drop out if his poll numbers don’t rebound.

“It’s too early, but if the polls continue to worsen, you can see a scenario where he drops out,” one GOP operative who asked to remain anonymous told Fox News.

“I’ve heard the talk but I doubt it’s true,” another said. “My bet is, he drops if he believes there’s no way to win.”

Trump’s poll numbers in recent weeks have trended downward amid criticism over his administration’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic and the White House's response to the protests and riots following the death of George Floyd in late May while in Minneapolis police custody.

A recent Fox News poll had the president trailing Democrat Joe Biden by 12 points, while a RealClearPolitics average of polls had Trump down almost 10 points to the former vice president. Biden also was leading Trump in many key battleground states, and polls from Republican strongholds such as Texas had Trump and Biden neck and neck.

James Carville said Trump would likely drop out last night on MSNBC.

Who would step up? Romney? Or would the GOP double down and find someone equally as disgusting

God, I hope he was watching and that orange face turned red and further clogging his arteries.

Never gonna happen.

I'm available!

He's a pussy.He's not brave and tough, he could possibly walk away with the excuse he was not appreciated. If he quit, he will blame everyone else.

I am available, and I have been running the country anyway, Trump is just a figure head to likes to golf and sign executive orders.

I’m ready to negotiate peace in the Middle East with the Saudi Royal Princes!

Ivanka, that maverick singlehandedly shattering glass ceilings for women everywhere!

That would be happy news.

From the Lincoln Project

R12, I'd sooner have Melania. Seriously.

The Lincoln Project is doing what Dems are SUPPOSED to do. This is why Dems keep losing. You go for the jugular and TLP is hitting it out of the ballpark. Thank God they hate him so much.

It would be on brand for Trump to bail out, to be honest. He would blame it on everyone else but he would create a massive chaos cloud before he did it.

See: Atlantic City.

Once they secure the loot, they are out the back door.

Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump America - all trashy failures. He's King Midas in reverse

What r19 said.

Don't let the media trick you into some false safety. Go and vote him out no matter how many media outlets and polls claim that he is projected to lose bigtime. Make his and the GOP's loss one for the history books of landslide losses.

That's great news that FOX is even discussing this. Maybe they're planting some initial seeds of doubt inside of the heads of their brain-washed, idiot base.

too early to count these chickens, ladies

still too early

FOX News is only reporting this to get their viewers to show their support for Trump and vote for him out of fear of Biden forcing socialism onto them.

Maybe they are positioning for the post Plump world like Drudge Report is.

It’s just good business at this point.

He's starting his farewell tour later this week. First up: burn down Mount Rushmore.

Yes r24. By all means, enjoy it in the moment but don't get complacent.

I.was just talking about this news with a coworker. She said as long as her 401lk is still climbing, she cant see voting for Biden. Shes a college educated caucasian who works in a hospital and has seen Covid firsthand.

R29, your coworker is one dumb, selfish bitch.

Talk to her again in a month or two.

He drops out and all those DOJ prosecutors he and Barr shit on will be looking for blood. Biden said he would never pardon Trump so he likely will be the first president to see the inside of a prison cell. Buh bye Donny

If Trump is going to lose—and I truly hope he does, then I don’t want him to drop out. However, I just don’t want him to lose, I want him to be humiliated and go down in the worst defeat ever. If he were to drop out, then the humiliation factor lessens or goes away entirely after the shock of the news wears off.

But whatever the news is today, we can never get complacent. We have to work for Trump’s defeat. It’s not over until the motherfucker is relegated to the trash bin of history.

[quote]Or would the GOP double down and find someone equally as disgusting

Believe me, there's no-one equally disgusting - I've heard people say this, and nobody does it better! Just check my show-reel to see year-on-year disgust. Learn from it. America's never been so disgusted! MAGA!

He will not drop out. He will burn down the country on the way down and take his fellow Republicans with him.

I don't envy Biden, having to fix the past four years of Republican thievery and Trump grifting. They do this every time, and it's a monumental task.

Could he pull an Edward Snowden?

R29. Everyone’s 401k was rising steadily under Obama. Trump did not invent the stock market rise. The economy is not going to collapse if we have a Democratic president.

Granted, the economy is going to have some rough going ahead no matter who is president. And that is Trump’s fault since he has mismanaged the entire Covid and economic recovery. Please advise your co-worker that we need to defeat Trump to save the country and preserve the fundamentals of our democracy—get rid of a criminal and reckless incompetent.

Whenever any top Dem is being interviewed, why don't they immediately mention the money unaccounted for and where it went? Why don't they immediately mention Mnuchin's name?

Trump has no other choice but stay in the race until the bitter end. He needs to be re-elected to save himself. Without the power of POTUS he is going to get charged with so many crimes he must flee the US and can't scam Americans out of their money anymore.

Where is pacifier mouth stashing the goods?

That’s what I want to know.

Once there is real digging into where the money went then I think he would run for the hills.

That’s why this was all about from the start.

How can a 401k climb when everyone I know who was readying for retirement has had to push it back because they lost so much?

When will his taxes be released?! SCOTUS tick tock...⏰

It’s down 3000 from December. Tell her to check her portfolio and get back to you.

"Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump America - all trashy failures. He's King Midas in reverse."

Let's not forget the 3 Atlantic City casinos that all went belly up. When he was finally run out of town, Trump said it was Atlantic City's fault, it was New Jersey's fault, it was everybody's fault except the Trump Organization.

In 2003, more 10 years after Trump opened the Taj Mahal, the Borgata Hotel and Casino opened in Atlantic City. The joint has made a profit every year of its existence, including the great recession years of 2008 and 2009 and in 2014, when Trump left town with his tail between his legs. And in most years of its existence, it has been the top casino in town profit wise.

If they Borgata could make money in AC, why couldn't Trump.

R42. Yes, everyone lost a ton in March and April, but the stock market has surprisingly rebounded. It’s not where it was from the highs in February, but the March losses have been largely recouped as of now—not entirely recouped, but doing fairly well.

The danger is that when earnings are announced for the second and third quarters of 2020–which will likely suck due to al, the business closures—the markets could tumble again.

“It’s not where it was from the highs in February,”

Ain’t that the truth.

Too bad Hilary was railroaded because the stock market would be through the roof.

This covid mess never had to happen.

Haley President Tom Cotton Vice President

You heard it here first.

The stock market is currently being propped up by Trump's billionaire friends and supporters. Trump knows he's got nothing else to run on than the stock market and if it falls again, even r29 's idiot co-worker wouldn't vote for him

r29 Since she's obviously on board with pussy-grabbing, why not give it a try?

Tell your friend that the stock market was doing much better under Obama, R29. In fact, the best performance was under the last 2 Democratic administrations, the worst under the Repug ones.

R16, And if TLP gets an "acceptable" Republican candidate, watch them turn their fire on Biden.

They ARE Republicans, after all.

R53, I don't doubt that, which is why we need get rid of people like Schumer who are fucking weak. I want hard-core, proud Democrats. People need yo fucking get it: There are in fact more of us than there are Republicans. We are not evenly split. In 2018, twelve million *more* people voted for Dem candidates for the Senate than did for Reps, yet the Reps get to control it. We are beholden to a system that allows states with fewer people than the avg neighborhood in NY or CA to wield more power than they should...and they don't even pay their fair share on top of it.

yo = to*

R49 Tom KKKotton makes me sick.

[quote] Haley President Tom Cotton Vice President

I don't think Pence would bow out that easily. He hasn't spent three years licking Trump's ass for nothing.

[quote] He hasn't spent three years licking Trump's ass for nothing.

History will beg to differ.

I don't trust this info nor do I trust the polls.

History suggests Trump will win a second term so I keep sending checks to Dems. Don't believe this election is not going to be very close.

Social media live-streaming platform Twitch just suspended President Trump's account for "hateful conduct."

Then hours later - Reddit banned some Donald posting that DL won't let me copy.

No one thinks Trump is actually going to drop out. It is however significant that Repubicans are discussing it. It suggests there is a lot of nervousness behind the scenes. Actually, there must be a huge amount for Fox to be reporting it. It's a bit of a stretch to conclude that Democrats are going to decide to stay at home on Election Day due to these reports.

[quote]Reddit banned some Donald posting that DL won't let me copy.

Why would DL not let you copy something? You can just cut-and-paste -- you don't have to link.

Reddit banned a shit ton of subreddits, not just the Dump one. They’re clamping down on hate speech.

The following figures could be off slightly; however, they are fairly close to what has happened since before the shutdown until now:

The Dow Jones all-time high happened on February 12, 2020 at 29,551.42

The Dow Jones low during the shutdown happened on March 18, 2020 at: 19,904.04 (so as you can see it dropped nearly 10,000 point in a month)

The Dow closed today, June 29, 2020, at 25,595.80 (The Dow is currently just shy of 4,000 points away from the all-time high, but it has recovered fairly well for now.)

So while we are doing somewhat okay now, the full effects of the pandemic, business closures, unemployment and staggered reopenigs (or not reopening at all) and the effect on the stock market won't be realized at least in part until after the 2020 second and third quarter earnings are announced. The recovery of course will continue through a vaccine being produced since while there will be ups and downs along the way, we won't be fully recovered until there is a sense of normalcy that gives us a feeling of some reassurance.

And then of course, there will be the regular surges and stock market drops that just happen in everyday life aside from a pandemic. It's just for the next couple of years, it will be very hard to take significant stock market crashes since we are on such shaky ground now. Bottom line: Vote Trump out. We don't need this roller coaster of lawlessness that is pervasive with this criminal and current administration.

How long until Muriel starts clamping down? Or does anyone really care about our little Tinkerbell Gossiping site?

No quitting. I want that orange buffoon humiliated by a landslide loss. And to take that loss over to the Senate with McTurtle out on his nelly ass.

I don't give a fuck if he quits, resigns, have a heart attack, covid, assassinated, loses in Nov etc....As long as the shithead is GONE! Enough already.

R46 watch The Con Man episode of Dirty Money on Netflix. Interviews with past casino employees explain why Trump went belly up. Dump was using them as his personal piggy bank.

It also has me suspicious about Dump's role in the chopper crash that killed some of his executives.

Why would muriel clamp down?

I wrote two years ago that the Republican leadership should have put a secret tiger team together, to project when the best time for Trump to go would be. I mean, the best time for the Republicans in Congress.

Rather than a resignation, I'd prefer a humiliating loss and then jail for him and his family.

Stock market does better under Dems. Period. Clinton has over a 200% increase nearly matched by Obama.

^^ This. But if he's defeated it will be close. One can't expect young people to vote for 80 year old Biden unless he pulls a spectacular VP out of a hat.

R73 They don’t vote anyway. If they need a spectacular VP pick they’re assholes.

[quote]Rather than a resignation, I'd prefer a humiliating loss and then jail for him and his family.

I'd prefer a grease fire, but I'll take what I can get.

The exhausting thing is Biden will likely only serve one term, and then the shit show of picking another dem nominee and pitting them against whoever the GOP goes with next starts all over again

[quote]No one thinks Trump is actually going to drop out. It is however significant that Repubicans are discussing it.

To me, this is just a continuation of the typical republican tactic of lowering expectations for their pathetic candidate. They developed this for Bush the Lesser, refined it with Trump's first campaign and have perfected it with this whole "will he drop out" nonsense.

Now, if he merely stays in the race, they can trumpet how strong and perseverant in the face of adversity he has become.

[quote]Could he pull an Edward Snowden?

Could he pull a Sylvia Plath?

[quote] Could he pull a Sylvia Plath?

There isn't an oven big enough

Trump‘s tax cut was good for the economy in the short term, but not the long term. Ditto for the relaxation of regulations. He goosed an economy that was already doing well and improving. But this means that the the government doesn’t have the tools to pull us out of a recession, as many have remarked on here for years, because he’s already used them. He did the exact opposite of what you do in boom times.

In the past, Presidents gave some consideration to the wreckage they were leaving for the next administration, out of love for country, but not Trump. He’s either too stupid or he doesn’t care or both.

Dropping out would require some amount of humility.

Trump has none.

Don’t waste your time on trying to persuade your nurse friend with any arguments regarding the stock market. It’s bullshit. She’s a racist and she was always going to vote Trump anyway.

If you don't make seven figures or more, you have no business voting for the GOP and it is an admittance that you're a prejudiced person. Period. Their policies are NOT for your poor ass. And yes, you are poor compared to who benefits from their policies.

Dumbass construction workers, firemen, police, steel workers, military, Joe the plumbers... Stupidest and racist motherfuckers - all of them. You can't justify voting for policies that benefit the wealthiest.

They think pence has a better shot at beating grandpa joe huh

I hate Trump. He's the worst thing to ever happen to the presidency. However, I will admit he has a certain amount of appeal to those who like him. I have never worried too much about Pence running for president because unlike Trump, he has no appeal or charisma at all. Pence does not stir that passion or devotion that Trump does. He's also been dirtied by Trump. Biden could beat Pence handily.

There must be something to this.

Faux Spews wouldn't raise the question unless they had solid info that, behind the scenes, The Powers That Be weren't, at least, contemplating that possibility.

Also, maybe for Fox, it really is as simple as they're sick of defending Trump. Besides, Fox is more in their element when they're attacking a Dem Administration and that's now what they want.

I don’t think they’d run Pence if he drops out. It would have to be someone fresh. I don’t think even Mitt Romney could Turn out the white nationalist crowd. The GOP isn’t that much the county club party any more.

Considering the precedent that has been set, a Schwarzenegger-Ventura ticket would probably win in a landslide.

“Trump‘s tax cut was good for the economy in the short term”

Link?

Homosexualist Tom Cotten seems like he’d be the kind of vice-president who would have the president killed.

Trump will stay in office solely to avoid jail. He'll seek asylum and Putin will take him in in Moscow, where he can build those big projects he was talking about prior to his election.

We need to allow our young Democrats to take the senior positions in Congress. It will make the party fresh and current, with new ideas to explore. I wish there was a retirement policy for Congress just as there are retirement plans in the rest of the country. We have some exciting new candidates for the fall elections, and those who have been around for a bit can really help us if the party leaders would get out of the way.

“Trump‘s tax cut was good for the economy in the short term”

Which is all Trump, the Republicans and greedy capitalists like the Koch brothers think in terms of. Why do expensive strategic, long term planning and product/service development when short term profits are so much easier to obtain. Added bonus: the people with the short term outlook won't be around to clean up the mess they made because they will have moved on to the next shiny object, have the attention span of gnats, and the loyalty of Benedict Arnold (just like Trump).

[quote] SCOTUS tick tock...

The Mazar’s & Vance rulings should come tomorrow.

Maybe all the crappy stuff he's done , especially in the last couple months- that cost American lives - is his way of negotiating a deal. He will be so bad we will agree to anything to get rid of him.

Actually R94 🤔 Interesting theory. He is definitely determined to destroy everything. That much is obvious.

I really want the pleasure of voting him out.

By this time next year, every bootlicker who has been covering for Trump will be acting as though they hated him all along. And all the major media will let them get away with it.

Maybe he won't run due to "medical" issues. Have you seen a pic of him? He looks so fat!!!! He was wearing a polo shirt and slacks in the pic I saw.

Even out of office, Trump will still have Twitter and maybe a radio show. He’ll have his victimhood and have his followers. The Republicans will still fear him, unless he is throughly discredited.

Nah... I disagree. As much as some cretins ( I’m looking at you, Matt “Daddy” Gaetz) hang on his coattails, most Republican politicians find him exhausting and unpredictable. He’ll fade away... hopefully in prison, but probably not.

IF he is offered a deal then the deal better include utter and comple twitter, broadcast and publishing silence from that morbidly obese, pustulant piece of shit. No more tweets, no more rallies,no interviews, no jobs on-air, no books.

Just take his pardons, the billions he stole, STFU FORVER and GTFO of America!

Twitter will block him the day after he gets the boot.

All social media platforms will since he can't help but spew his racist, hateful shit.

Just breaking: Trump announces he'll step down in order to spend more time with his family. "Barron is going through a very sensitive period of his development and I'm really needed more at home" , Trump said.

^ I don't know him.

Putin won't offer Trump shit.

Once he is out of office his value will plummet.

Hell, knowing Putin he'll probably have him killed.

R201 Really good point. We don't need his continued shit stirring.

Republicans and Pence are fucking this country up to, it is not just Trump.

These Republicans (cough Nazis) have to be voted OUT of office by the American people.

I read that differently. Fox News knows that Trump watches them, and floating the suggestion that he'll resign - already circulating among Dems and other observers - will likely cause him to adamantly insist publicly that he won't quit, thereby putting the rumor to rest.

Has Trump bitten yet?

R103, 👏👏👏👏👏

Don't believe it. The Russiapublicans are trying to make him look like a dark horse, a rebel outsider who just wants to make America again- against all odds! They're also the bots you're chatting with online, stirring-up racial chaos in an election year.

The up to the minute polls are fake, too. He's probably really polling in the teens.

I'm even wondering how much of a reliable voter base GOP even has these days when you eliminate all the QAnon wackos, racists, and such. I just can't see some center-right candidate mobilizing them all that much in November since the pendulum has swung so hard to the extreme on the right. If Trump indeed drops out, they'll start spinning crazy conspiracy theories how RNC made some secret deal with "Demonocrats" to remove him since he's the only one who can save the world from the hordes of roaming pedos or what have you...

[quote]The Mazar’s & Vance rulings should come tomorrow.

What? They're finally going to rule on whether it's permissible to wear bluejeans on the subway?

"DUMP TRUMP."

Preferably off a cliff.

We better hope that he doesn't drop out, because a replacement nominee would have a good chance of beating Biden. All those Never-Trumpers would switch in a heartbeat and vote for the Republican. We would also have much less of a chance to retake the Senate. If Trump stays in, we win and win big.

Seriously, Democrats need to shut the hell up about Trump dropping out.

I hope he drops the fuck out!!!

I see three possibilities other than winning:

1. He loses in November. After Thanksgiving he offers Pence the opportunity to be #46 for 46 days, in return for select pardons.

2. Before the election, Barr gets all of the cases against #BunkerBoy’s co-conspirators dropped (with prejudice) or secures wrist slap sentences for a few (home confinement). Freed from double jeopardy they won’t implicate Putin’sBitch in any future federal actions. Barr offers a deal to Cuomo. PrivateBoneSpurs will resign [italic] before [/italic] the election (ending our national nightmare) if NY pardons him. The ticket goes forward in Pence’s name only.

3. The Fox News option. Emboldened by having survived their primaries unscathed by the OrangeAnus’ tweets, and frightened by the Afghanistan developments effect on their campaigns, previously “loyal” Repigs race for the door. Not only does he lose his most vocal legislative and media supporters, but it slowly dawns, even on Deplorable's, that he’s setting their sons up as ducks for a Putin shooting gallery. His internal polls [italic] really [/italic] plummet.

He bows out (with a pardon against the awful Dems) after having made America Great.

Hey DNC,

This is why you should not listen to bloomberg, billionaire scum. He is not on our side. Also, he is a proven RACIST, has a track record of structure violence policies.

Please LEARN THE LESSON!

I agree this is all folly. Even on this thread there's a general sentiment that Trump is sure to lose the election. At this rate it'll be 2016 again.

r117 We've been over this numerous times. Just because Pence assumes the Presidency doesn't make him the nominee.

And while we're at it:

[quote]Not only does he lose his most vocal legislative and media supporters, but it slowly dawns, even on Deplorable's, that he’s setting their sons up as ducks for a Putin shooting gallery.

Oh, dear. Never use an apostrophe to make a plural.

[quote]but it slowly dawns, even on Deplorable's, that he’s setting their sons up as ducks for a Putin shooting gallery.

Don't count on it. They like sons who don't become sitting ducks.

Trump is a traitor, but he is not the mastermind behide this all. Republicans are doing this to us. They had the opportunity to prove otherwise by impeaching his ass.

Vote ALL Republicans OUT of office for this! We need all Americans to join us.

Fucking Traitors!!!!!!

[quote]The Lincoln Project is doing what Dems are SUPPOSED to do. This is why Dems keep losing. You go for the jugular and TLP is hitting it out of the ballpark. Thank God they hate him so much.

You don't think Dems help fund them, or coordinate messaging? The old Good Cop/Bad Cop routine? I do.

People never learn. If the man didn’t drop out after being caught on tape saying “grab her by the pussy”, no way he drops out now. Especially with Biden as his opponent. However, Trump is so dumb, it’s really unreal. COVID-19 cases rising, he just ignores it. No reminder to stay safe. Take precautions. Just silence.

I don't think Orangina will drop out. He knows Mittens will jump in the race and he may even win by claiming everything Dump is, is the opposite of himself.

Do. Not. Fall. For. It.

It’s a ploy to make weary Democrats move to a place of complete apathy, boosted by false confidence.

Agreed R126. How do you know if a Republican is lying? His lips are moving.. Rally everyone D vote to the polls as if your life depends on it.

Exactly. Dem voters should be part of the biggest landslide win of the Democratic Party's history. No excuse to stay home (even Covid-19 ... cover your body in disinfectant gel and wear a mask if you must) and not vote.

R125, there’ll be no “race” for Romney to jump into should Trump drop out as Trump has already clinched the nomination. Instead, the RNC will have to name his replacement as head of the ticket.

R68, Mob SOP: Take over a legit business, bleed it dry, abandon it, move on.

Trump, Inc., has been surviving for a long time on Russian money, as Eric once openly revealed. Meaning Daddy T. is billions-beholden to Vladdy P.

And we all know that the Russian Mob never forgives a monetary debt---unless, of course, it acquires as payment something much more valuable, such as a weakened Europe and bankrupted United States.

Trump has performed admirably as a Russian agent.

Denial of Russian "interference," aka an act of war, in our 2016 national election. US troops withdrawn from Germany. Removal of sanctions over Ukraine/Crimea. Threats to make Marie Yovanovich, our own US Ambassador to Ukraine, "go through some things." Invitation to Russia to make the G7 the G8. Ventilator gifts when US governors were begging for them. US withdrawal from "Open Skies Arms Control Treaty." Withdrawal of troops from Syria, handing US compounds to Russian troops. Calling NATO "obsolete." Saying Russia "was right" to invade Afghanistan, though the US was backing the Afghan mujahideen.

And being completely indifferent to Russian offers of money for US soldiers' heads. Literally.

Trump is not just a life-long criminal in the Russian mob of Queen's, as his father was with the Genovese Family; he is now a Constitutionally-defined traitor.

Benedict Donald.

"Queens."

People seem to have forgotten that Mitt Romney wasn't so different from Trump when it comes to evil business tactics. His company did hostile takeovers and forced the then healthy companies to pay off the debt that was taken to finance the hostile takeover and bleeding these companies dry until it was time to fire everybody to make the company look good in the books and sell it off to someone who only realizes later that he bought a lemon that can't be saved from bankruptcy without investing some serious money.

Are they trying to make us complacent so we don't vote?

"I.was just talking about this news with a coworker. She said as long as her 401lk is still climbing, she cant see voting for Biden. Shes a college educated caucasian who works in a hospital and has seen Covid firsthand."

And does your imaginary co-worker go around with a yellow feather boa and some sparkly green tap shoes! Oooh, maybe she has a parrot on her shoulder that can sing! And that parrot craps out mini candy bars in pristine wrappers!

And there's a lemonade lake and 'smores forrest and a unicorn made out of cinnamon toast!

Every vote counts so the Democratic Party can push through legislation without the Republican Party being able to stonewall it or water it down to almost no progress being accomplished.

[quote] Benedict Donald.

Benedict Arnold was a patriot compared to Donald Trump.

Leave it to the Republican Party to outdo previous traitors of history.

Nate Cohn:

Trump's disapproval rating is at 55.6 among RV/LV polls, according to FiveThirtyEight. It's the highest in 2.5 years

I hope he doesn't drop out, Republicans who hate him passionately will vote for whoever replaces him. My 70 year old sister has voted Republican her entire life but she's voting Biden, that would change if they ran someone other than the Rump.

R85 is right.

Rooms seem emptier when Pence walks in.

Don't underestimate Pence. He has the Christian Right Wing on his side. If necessary the Christian Right Wing and its media (like, the 700 Club) would hype the guy like he's the Justin Bieber of politics. The only reason this isn't done is because of Trump's fragile ego. Trump only accepted Pence because he offered the CRW demographic to Trump at his disposal and not to use it for outmaneuvering Trump and his Deplorables to control the Republican Party.

Something is missing here... the reason why republicans are using trump is this:

Trump approval ratings are low. But among Republicans, Trump's approval ratings are higher. Other Republican's approval rating are in the toilet. If trump drops out, this would fragment a already weak base.

Pence couldn’t get re-elected in Indiana

In Indiana for Pete’s Sake

It’s fascinating to me that Fox would even say this. In the end, they have to carry on after Trump is gone. They must be taking orders from somebody else at this point. Somebody that wants to survive The Purge.

Who’s that? Mitch McConnell? Lady G?

R143, someone upthread, or another thread, said that Fox feels it is best when Democrats are in power, and I believe that. Remember, they don’t give a crap about Democrats or Republicans. All they care about is making money = demographics.

R144, then they’re playing both sides against the middle at best. They’re not doing the “Biden is senile“ thing, are they?

Personally, I think whoever runs Fox now thinks Trump is too crazy even for them, but can never say it on TV. So they allow the anchors to slowly incite doubt among the viewers. The problem with that is, the few times they’ve criticized Trump, his rabid followers have gone beserk and accused them of being traitors to their God.

Remember, they hated Megyn Kelly after she left, she could never come back. She was their pin up girl before she asked Trump a question they didn’t like. Then they turned on a dime on her after years of loyalty. If Fox gets too critical, they will lose 90% of their viewers, who will go to OANN. They will decide Fox are traitors.

R144, do you think Trump has actually said to Hannity that he’s thinking about leaving? They talk all the time. Maybe he wanted to put it out there and get a reaction.

Can you imagine the crazy that he'll tweet if he drops out?

It would be utterly entertaining to watch that meltdown.

The only thing more entertaining than that would be if the rethugs even made a move NOT to nominate him. I'd love to see what he'd unleash on anyone who dared to opposed his renomination.

Could Trump drop out? No, his priority is his ego and proving how he's always correct and always the victim. In his mind, it's more important to put on a show, a spectacle, to demonstrate his power. Whether his fellow citizens die or starve, or whether his nation falls into ruin is of no consequence.

R148, what I meant was, maybe Trump thinks he can steer his worshippers to think America is unworthy of his expertise, and can therefore drop out with the response of, “we were unworthy of his genius! Poor little Trumpy, we didn’t deserve him! We hate the Democrats even more! Poor little Ivanka, he did it for her!”

If he is able to make his base think he is oh so mistreated, maybe they won’t blame him and he can leave while keeping his ego intact.

[quote]Every vote counts

If that were true, we'd currently have a Dem President, Senate, House and SC...like in a real democracy. Millions and millions more people vote Dem over Rep and still, Reps get to control things. Dinky little shit states with few people who get handouts, get to have power over the rest of us because we are not a democracy. "Republic" bullshit.

with the latest on the supreme court decision regarding abortion, they are telling them to come out to vote for the orange turd because you know RBG ain't gonna last much longer...

There's a chance he may say he has some disease so he has to leave.

Syphilis ?

R149, this is R148. You do make a strong point. Thanks for clarifying. Your theory has merit.

R149, your theory is consistent with DT's modus operandi. One either has to follow his lead, to believe he's all-knowing, to agree with him no matter what, to do what he says OR one will be burned and publicly humiliated. One's reputation and livelihood destroyed.

If DT does drop out, maybe the scenario you describe will come true. He'll create more fissures in our nation to protect his ego and to ensure his words will get more coverage. Trump will feel he's taught his detractors a lesson and punished us all.

R148

R117 R120 Well.... deplorables could see Trump shoot their sons in the middle of Fifth Avenue and defend it.

The Crazy is deep.

I think he only way he will drop out is if he's get assurance that the NY AG won't go after him and his family for all the misdeeds...among other requests.

I wouldn't want that out for that sack of shit. I want NY to go after him. That fucking family needs to be brought down

Rather than drop out, conceivably helping a party he couldn’t care less about (he will gloat henceforth that only he could lead the party to a victory), might he just sit on his fat ass & refuse to campaign?!

R158: and destroy the USA in the process

Pence is allowing a Pandemic to kill Americans too. So are Republicans in Congress and Republican Governors.

The problem is the Republican Party, not just Trump.

Vote ALL Republicans OUT of Office!

No way he would refuse to campaign, R158 - that's his entire presidency. Being a pathetic shit on stage who is adored by that feedlot of idiots is his only reason to be president. Well, that and being a thieving, corrupt parasite who profits off of the presidency.

Those poor Evangelical suckers. They voted for Trump and the current ruling on abortion did not go their way.

All they got for their trouble was possibly being sick and losing their jobs. So sad.

It's interesting that Trump has cancelled his upcoming rally in Alabama. They are saying they aren't planning any more at this time, but that could change if he gets an itch to get out of the white house.

[quote]All they got for their trouble was possibly being sick and losing their jobs.

Well, they also found out that the dear, sweet baby jesus is OK with grabbing a woman's cunt.

When he loses he will blame Republicans.

I am counting the days until Dump, realizing how far in the hole he really is, turns on his Republican enablers. Because, make no mistake, he will. And, he will destroy the remains of that (never) Grand Old Party.

We have to work hard and campaign against Trump as if he were going to win. We can never become complacent.

Biden wasn't my first choice--but he'll do just fine. We just have to get Trump out. But we are a crisis away or one misstep by Biden, a flub-up, a fall, a major mistake, whatever it may be, and the polls could fall away from Biden and in Trump's favor. I'm not saying Trump is going to win, but as the campaign season heats up, the race is going to tighten. There's is no way Biden will win by 10-12-14 points as some of the polls indicate now. We don't even know if Biden will win at all when it comes down to those deplorable swings states. We have to expect the worst...hope for the best...and work like hell to defeat Trump.

They want Tucker Carlson in 2024

More likely, R166 is that the Repub congresspeople up for re-election will see the dismal poll numbers and the inevitable landslide and abandon Trump for their own survival. You're starting to see this with the split over masks.

If Trump actually did make up some excuse and bail, how would his replacement play out? The poster who said Haley for pres and Cotton for VP sounds plausible—but for a normal, primary/backroom driven nomination. Would Pence want to step in? Would there be mayhem among Republican contenders? Would heads explode on Fox News? What would happen?

Hello!

I would imagine there's jockeying behind the scenes right now for who Trump's replacement will be. Haley is a non-starter because she said supportive things about the Confederate flag - she would be crushed in this political cycle. Cotton is a nobody to most of the country. The Republicans need someone with national name recognition.

I don't know who the Republican donor class is going to settle on - but if someone is throwing out Tucker Carlson's name, someone is getting desperate. And the fact that they're considering anyone but Pence means that the polls must show Pence is as dead in the water as Trump.

Would they run Crenshaw?

I'll accept the nomination! I'm desperate to keep my name in the news. What party? Republican? I'm fine with that, even though I'm not a Republican. Of course, I'm not a democrat either.

Kasich should run in his place. I wouldn't want to kill myself if he were elected.

[quote]They want Tucker Carlson in 2024

It's cute that anyone who would want him, thinks there are enough of them to get him elected considering they only need to play the vile things he has said over the years along with his garbage site that prints lies and hate. Why in the hell would anyone think one of Trump's "dealers" could even win? These people can't win as it is without cheating. And even with cheating, millions people more still vote Dem.

Four years from now, the electoral college needs to be GONE. Enough is enough of a minority of morons electing idiots like Trump.

millions more*

Hey, Rush Limbaugh is still alive ... he'd win in a landslide.

Does anyone really think Dump will leave voluntarily? I’m sure the GOP is considering their next moves if Dump’s numbers keep cratering, but they’re going to have to present him with stuff that, if publicly revealed, will do incredible damage to him. And I don’t mean peepee tapes. Hell, knowing deplorables, they’ll like him even more. I mean stuff that will RUIN him. We can all speculate what that would be, and we know he’s got dark stuff in his background, but that’s the only way he’ll resign. They don’t even need to give him a pardon, which wouldn’t work anyway in state or local cases.

Whoever they run has to be at least partially acceptable to Trump's cult - that means no Romney and no Kasich.

I could see Trump quitting if he thought he was going to be embarrassed at the polls, the problem is that his closest sycophants are telling him that the polls are fake, and Trump believes it because he wants to believe it. It's going to take Mitch McConnell sitting down and telling him that the polls aren't fake, that the party is going to dump him after Labor Day, in order for Trump to even consider dropping out of the race... and even then, he won't back down unless his family gives him permission. So they need to take out Jared if they want Trump out.

Mitt Romney - watch.

R180, actually, if McConnell told Dump he was going to dump him (hah), Dump would probably resign beforehand. But I think his numbers would have to be in the high 20s, maybe low 30s, for that to happen. Bush was in the mid 20s at the end of his presidency; Nixon was also at the mid 20s, in January 1974 and when he resigned.

Romney burned his bridges by voting for impeachment - the Never Trumpers might consider voting for him, but the party loyalists would say hell no.

Private Republican polls in recent weeks show Trump struggling even in conservative states, leading Biden by less than five points in Montana and trailing him in Georgia and even Kansas, according to GOP officials who have seen the data.

Wow, r184. I think that’s scarier for the GOP than even the 10-12 point national spread. I think the GOP won’t take action yet, but if faced with these numbers in September, I think they’ll actually take swift action.

He is now working on voter suppression and mail fraud, since his lackey was put in charge of the Post office.

If the GOP wants to run a Hail Mary candidate, their only shot is to get Trump to announce before the August convention that he has decided not to seek out a second term. At the convention they can put forward their consensus candidate, pick a minority to be the VP candidate, and then keep their fingers crossed that they can turn things around at the debates.

Good point, r187. That’s actually an excellent strategy by the GOP. I think deplorables will be pissed, but I don’t think that will keep the, from the polls. They hate Democrats...

I'm the Haley-Cotton poster. She'd move beyond the confederate flag thing with her typical nimble slickness. The Never-Trump faction would fall into line pretty easily. Cotton would be red meat to MAGA nutcases as well as acceptable to the Cheney faction.

Pence, of course, would be the likely choice should Trump drop out. And the current admin one most hungry to be President is Sec of State Pompeo. Pence-Pompeo would be the evangelicabans' Dream Team.

I think this is mostly wishful thinking by more sane Republicans.

Trump holds all the cards: his base of devoted MAGAts will follow him to the grave. There are far more of them than there are of any other group of Republicans. If they dump Trump, the MAGAts go with him and just stay home.

Remember history: the Junker generals tried to overthrow Hitler in 1944 when it was clear they were losing the war. Didn't work. And a sizeable portion of the German population was still fighting for him up until V-E day.

Several headlines on Drudge are about this. I don't think he will drop out but it is pretty interesting that there is so much talk of it.

R190, the only way it would work is if Dump endorsed the change. And the only way he’d endorse it is if he were forced out and the GOP resorted to blackmail to do so. If Dump is forced out kicking and screaming, I still think deplorables will vote, but not in droves.

I don’t believe Dump being forced out kicking and screaming would ever happen. The GOP needs his supporters. They’d have to make sure he’s on board. And we know Dump would only be on board if it’s in his self interest.

Plus Trump has trouble being enthusiastic about anyone other than himself. His endorsement of the new candidate would come off as half-hearted at best.

The only way a Hail Mary GOP candidate could win is to win back all of the voters that Trump bled out (mainly white women suburban voters who hate racism + senior citizens who don't want to die) plus cut into the weak spots in Biden's base (Hispanics + those who think Biden's too old). A hard right candidate doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning back white women suburban voters this year, so a hard right candidate can't be on the ticket. Also, running a minority in the VP spot is cynical, but it reassures white women voters that they aren't voting for an evil racist, which frees up the Hail Mary candidate to focus on explaining how he or she plans to save the country from Covid + the Great Depression.

The Nazis/MAGATs might be inclined to sit things out, but once Biden chooses a female VP - particularly if she is a minority - the Nazis/MAGATs will come out to vote specifically against her, regardless of their feelings for the Hail Mary candidate.

Interesting article that was posted in another thread. Looks like Labor Day is basically D-Day for Dump to get his act together. Supposedly this is Mitch McConnell’s deadline.

R195: Shit! How many people will get sick and die in the next 60 days?

That's the most upbeat article I have read, R 195.

I've been saying on DL for about a year now that Trump will drop out and the convention will be a contested one between Romney and Sass.

It will be either a Romney/Sass or a Romney/Tim Scott ticket. Trump will exit saying his business needs him.

Labor Day is too late to save anything for the GOP.

I think he has to be out by the end of July early August. Most states have deadlines to get on the ballot.

R198: I believe you're right.

But if he's dropping out he'll want to cause as much trouble as possible. He won't care about state deadlines other than to flout them.

Trump and his ego aren’t going anywhere. He will blame his loss on being rigged.

I would like to see him drop out, and the sooner he does, the better. The trouble is finding an acceptable alternative. I'm sure the GOP establishment has a laundry list of swamp creatures they would like to foist on us.

R202, he may not care about state deadlines, but Republican senators and congressman do and they'll be putting pressure on Trump to exit the easy, face saving way.

You are delusional R198

The MAGAts all hate Romney and will not vote for him, even if it means Kamala Harris gets to be vice president.

[quote] I've been saying on DL for about a year now that Trump will drop out and the convention will be a contested one between Romney and Sasse.

See, if that's the case, why bother?

It doesn't matter. America is doomed. This is the Kang vs. Kodos election.

I just can’t picture Trump making a concession call to Biden on Election Night. He would have to be gracious in defeat, which we know is impossible for Trump. Maybe he would tweet something @ Biden about the election being a “rigged hoax” and “so unfair.”

[quote]The MAGAts all hate Romney and will not vote for him, even if it means Kamala Harris gets to be vice president.

I'm what you would call a MAGAt, though I'm pretty much over Trump at this point. It's not that I hate Romney. I just don't see the difference between him and Biden.

R206, Sooo MAGATS are all that matters. It will be Romney. Watch.

You have to be insane to think Trump will drop out. I've said what R203 said.

I don't believe a single story claiming Trump is "worried." He doesn't "worry," he just lashes out like a petulant child and blames others for everything. He will absolutely blame rigging WHEN he loses. He can never accept that most people hate his fucking guts and that only 27% of the population worship him.

R206 this isn't about finding a magat approved candidate. This is about winning back moderate Republicans who are disgusted with Trump and are voting for Biden and about not losing down ballot elections I think Republicans understand the presidency is lost this election and it's more about rebuilding.

Exactly R212.

The only reason Republicans are winning is because of MAGAts

The differences between Biden and Romney are fairly minimal

And other than Romney, every single GOP senator who is up for reelection has been licking Trump's ass for the last four years. No one will buy that they've suddenly found Jesus.

If Sanders was the nominee, you might be able to win back scared suburban voters.

But no one is scared of Biden.

Romney is pro gay marriage?

Romney is Pro-Choice?

Why was Trump out and about at 4:15 am this morning?

Did he try to escape and they retrieved him?

Was there a silver alert issued?

Inexplicably, all the twitter threads seem to have been deleted. Weird.

What on earth does Sanders have to offer “scared suburban voters”? Sanders is exactly what they’re scared of.

And if you think Biden and Romney are the same, you should find out what they stand for. Neither is comparable. You might say they’re both older white men. White men are not all identical in their thinking.

R216, maybe he does have dementia. People with dementia are more active at night and they tend to wander at night.

Maybe he wandered off and somebody had to round him up.

Romney thinks corporations are people. I don't think Biden agrees.

The Republicans will never, ever nominate Romney for President, because it sends the message that A) he was right to vote to impeach Trump and B) he was right to buck the party. The Republican party wants to dump Trump - it doesn't want to send a message to the public, you were right all along Democrats, he should have been impeached because he's a crook. And the Republican party sure doesn't want to send a message to Senators, see, if you had bucked the party, you too could have been our nominee. The Republicans are all about falling in line.... Romney spit on that. They can make peace with him, but they can't reward him.

R187/R220: You are so wrong. It is Romney for the reasons stated in R212. You will see.

Bookmarking this for reference in the next few months.

[quote] What on earth does Sanders have to offer “scared suburban voters”? Sanders is exactly what they’re scared of.

LOL.

That was my point--Romney would be able to win back white suburban voters who were scared of Sanders. Biden doesn't scare them.

And protest all you will, the differences between Biden and Romney are shades of gray

Well, R221, as long as we're throwing out possibilities as to where the GOP lands.... I'll toss in the ring: Chris Christie / Will Hurd.

Hurd is African-American, which cuts off charges of racism, and he's from Texas, which helps secures Texas which was getting a little too close for comfort.

Chris Christie is center-right, has national name recognition for hugging Obama (a negative in 2016, a positive in the Covid era), he's at least a decade younger than Biden, and he's good at debating. He no longer has Bridgegate hanging over his head, and if Biden brings it up, Christie can argue he was the target of a political prosecution, putting Biden on defense. Trump likes him so the Trump cult might follow along. He's familiar to the GMA/The View audience, so he's not scary to white women suburban voters. He's anti-Castro, which secures him the Cuban vote in Florida. He has been lobbying for a Puerto Rican electric company, so while Democrats will attack him for being a lobbyist, he will argue that he's been working for Puerto Ricans. He started a charity to help small businesses during Covid, so he can point to a concrete way in which he has helped small businesses. Lots of positives for the party, and he has been a party loyalist. If he flops big time, at least the party doesn't have to deal with him in 2024. If by chance he won, Trump would find a way to take credit for the whole thing.

This is obviously just speculation, based on where the party is at today. If they can't get Trump to drop out by the Convention, nothing changes.

I agree with your Will Hurd, he'd fill the same roll as Tim Scott named above. But it won't be Christie. It's not going to be someone with strong ties to Trump.

Forgot to sign as R187 above.

[quote]Interesting article that was posted in another thread. Looks like Labor Day is basically D-Day for Dump to get his act together. Supposedly this is Mitch McConnell’s deadline.

I think it's too late now for the GOP to find a new ticket for November, so Labor Day is definitely too late. How would they even put a campaign team together with only two months left? They would run into all kinds of trouble with changing state ballots and buying TV air time for ads. How would they have time to prepare for debates?

R226 a seasoned politician with name recognition would overcome most of what you laid out.

How about us? We're young, glamorous, knowledgeable about both domestic and foreign affairs. We have been very successful in all of our endeavors - we've brought peace to the Middle East, have established excellent business relationships with China, have championed women's entrepreneurship around the world, and have very successfully eliminated coronavirus in the US. What more could you ask of us?

It's not the Republican Party anymore. It's the Trump Party. They're all afraid of him and his power over the cult members. He's grabbed them all by the pussies. Trump isn't going anywhere (well, until January 2021).

[quote]Romney burned his bridges by voting for impeachment

PLEASE STOP SAYING THIS. You too, R220.

The Senate does not vote on impeachment. Romney did not, and COULD not vote to impeach Trump. He was already impeached by the time the Senate got the case. Romney voted to REMOVE.

R228 - Matthews Broderick and Sarah Jessica Parker!?

I’d vote for them in a heartbeat!

What is all this speculation? Anyone who would run in place of Trump, or in the VP slot, would have to be resigned to losing (at least as things are going as of now), since the Republican brand is so badly tarnished, and any moderate voters they win over from Biden are offset by the hardcore base who will stay home either sulking or just unmotivated. Romney's going to be that sacrificial lamb? Chris Christie?

What the hell, they're already running the US. Might as well make it formal.

Wasn’t there a deadline a while back if you wanted to run? You have to apply in each separate state and different states have different deadlines. Probably they’ve all passed the deadline by now. So the person would be a write-in candidate. I don’t think most people are going to bother to write somebody in. A lot of people would probably just vote for Trump, even if he dropped out, as a protest vote against the replacement.

The end result would be a lot of confused people would vote for the name on the ballot (Trump), a few woke people would vote for the write in. It would be like a primary on Election Day.

The electors are the ones that really pick the President, so my guess is if Trump won and he already dropped out, they’d cast their votes for whoever the party says the president-elect should be. Even if that’s not somebody on the ballot.

If Trump died or quit after November, the party picks the replacement. The replacement by policy is the VP.

Why would anyone normal trust the current Republican party even if they got rid of Trump? McConnell needs to go even before that orange trashbag parasite. It's an evil fucking party. their policies are archaic.

I am getting sick of posting this, so this might be my last time doing so - Fox News viewers DO NOT WANT MITTENS. PERIOD. My entire family (for the most part sadly) are all GOP/MAGAt cultists and Romney is akin to the Antichrist to them. They HATE him. Fox has dragged this man's name through the mud and back over and over for his audacity to oppose the Führer. He will not appeal to the base (Fox News junkies who watch from the wee hours until they pass out to Hannity) and doesn't have the time to pay enough dirty money to the corrupt evangelical religious leaders (Robertson, Fallwell Jr., Franklin Graham, etc.) for them to demand that their cult members storm the voting booths in the numbers needed to get anywhere. This will not be Romney's year even if he does run - and even with the rampant, crooked GOP cheating (purging voter rolls, foreign hacking of voting machines, USPS interference, etc.) he doesn't stand a chance. If they do run someone else, the chances are very slim that GOP candidate will be Romney. Pence is most likely with some scumbag male running mate (Cotton, Cruz, etc.).

I forgot to add that they hated the fact that Mittens is a staunch Mormon when he ran against Obama. That is an issue that will never die with the Evangelicals and one that they will never come in in voting droves for either. I was shocked that he even won the nomination way back when.

"never come out in voting droves" sorry..

[quote]And protest all you will, the differences between Biden and Romney are shades of gray

Not true. There are big differences between Biden and Romney.

Particularly when it comes to who they would nominate for the Supreme Court.

Neil Young will be the next person to tell Trump not to use his music

Neil said as much:

I doubt it. I think that it is too early to call Biden a sure thing and Trump and his minions have many tricks up their sleeves and are hoping for Biden doing poorly in the debates

Daddy fans, who is hotter, Romney or Biden?

R243, I'd say Romney. But I'd hate myself in the morning

There's no way this would ever happen. Not only would Trump never bring himself to do it, but the GOP would get crushed in November.

r245: GOP is crushed either way.