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Black Trans Women Seek More Space in the Movement They Helped Start

Transgender women of color led the uprising at the Stonewall Inn 51 years ago on Sunday, but they were never put at the center of the movement they helped start: one whose very shorthand, “the gay rights movement,” erases them.

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by Anonymousreply 3206/29/2020

This will go well.

by Anonymousreply 106/27/2020

nytnews@nytimes.com

maggie.astor@nytimes.com

Surely, the Times won't do anything. But we can at least pester them with emails stating a few basic historical facts!

by Anonymousreply 206/27/2020

Black Trannies are no where to be found in the pictures of Stonewall. Just white, boys. The 60's were a racist time. pretty sure we weren't even allowed in them places.

by Anonymousreply 306/27/2020

Yawn.

If they want to talk about erasing...

by Anonymousreply 406/27/2020

R3

Sylvia Rivera admitted as much, that POC and transvestites weren’t particularly welcome at the mob-owned gay bars.

How much longer can this revisionist history go on? I even see it from eldergays who have to know better.

by Anonymousreply 506/27/2020

This article erases the contribution of queer British Asian women like Jameela Jamil who literally sent the first tweet about the first brick being thrown at Stonewall.

by Anonymousreply 606/27/2020

There is already a thread on this.

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by Anonymousreply 706/27/2020

I just sent an email to Astor basically saying I’m confused. I want to know the truth.

by Anonymousreply 806/27/2020

Good at creating myths that create a place for themselves decades after facts to the contrary.

by Anonymousreply 906/27/2020

[quote]Just white, boys. The 60's were a racist time. pretty sure we weren't even allowed in them places.

Oh good, the straight Mumsnetter ladies have shown up and are now pretending to be black gay Americans.

by Anonymousreply 1006/28/2020

Oh here go hell come.

by Anonymousreply 1106/28/2020

R10, Black? Ain't no one got time for that. Latino, Male here.

by Anonymousreply 1206/28/2020

OP Storme DeLarverie started the riot by imploring those present to do something against the cops as she was cuffed and put in the back of a police wagon. She was a black butch lesbian - not trans. Stop rewriting history with this trans nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 1306/28/2020

R13 — YOU are rewriting history.

It was started by a drag queen not a lesbian.

Marsha was a drag queen.

by Anonymousreply 1406/28/2020

R14 By her own admission Marsha didn’t arrive until shit had already hit the fan.

It’s bonkers how many people lie about this.

by Anonymousreply 1506/28/2020

Stop lying OP Stonewall was not begun by black trannies.

by Anonymousreply 1606/28/2020

Stop lying R14 that Marsha addict was not the catalyst.

by Anonymousreply 1706/28/2020

At about 4 minutes in Marsha makes quite clear that she was nowhere near Stonewall when the riots began.

Sylvia was in the park having "cocktails" (meaning heroin) and missed the whole first night.

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by Anonymousreply 1806/28/2020

Yet another attempt by "trans" to obliterate gays and women.

by Anonymousreply 1906/28/2020

It’s an attempt by lesbians to erase gay men.

Stonewall clientele was gay men.

They started the uprising, not a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 2006/28/2020

[quote]but they were never put at the center of the movement they helped start: one whose very shorthand, “the gay rights movement,” erases them.

If you started the movement, wouldn’t you put yourself at the center of it, and wouldn’t you name it yourself?? More evidence that black trannies didn’t start shit and weren’t even involved.

by Anonymousreply 2106/28/2020

[quote] Yet another attempt by "trans" to obliterate gays and women.

It's an attempt to obliterate gay men.

Stop putting women into our struggle.

by Anonymousreply 2206/28/2020

Even if the riot was started by Johnson and Rivera, they were both DRAG QUEENS. Drag queens weren't 'trans women' in 1969, and are certainly not what we consider to be trans women in 2020. The drag queens in question were gay men who - for playful, political, and performative reasons - dressing in non-masculine attire.

So even if Johnson threw the first brick, the idea that the entire gay liberation movement was started by trans women of colour is revisionist nonsense that erases gay men and gay women.

by Anonymousreply 2306/28/2020

R20 Every single person who was alive at the time and on the list of the 300 names taken by the police at the bar agrees that it was a woman in man's suit who threw the first coins to protest the payola and it grew from there. So yes, it was a lesbian who began the whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 2406/28/2020

If Blacks were the public face of the gay movement, gays would still be fighting to decriminalize homosexuality.

by Anonymousreply 2506/28/2020

You don't care about gay men, R24. You just hate trans women.

I support trans women, but Stonewall was OURS -- gay mens'.

by Anonymousreply 2606/28/2020

I've recently heard the same arguments about ACT UP and how problematic they were for not giving more space/attention to black trans women. I guess the white gay men had too much privilege (while dying of AIDS).

by Anonymousreply 2706/28/2020

I genuinely want to know your thoughts because I'm in my twenties and didn't live through any of this

But I've always thought that gay rights have really just progressed due to more people coming out, and ultimately the straight family and friends loving and accepting the gay people in their lives outnumber those who reject gay people.

And that this was facilitated against the backdrop of increased communication/media in the 20th century, which allowed people to realise that the phenomenon of homosexuality wasn't that uncommon and that phobias/misconceptions were unfounded

by Anonymousreply 2806/28/2020

The Times is so silly. It's basically run by HuffPo and Slate now.

by Anonymousreply 2906/28/2020

Spoiler alert: they did not.

by Anonymousreply 3006/28/2020

r28- Stonewall was step 1. Fighting back. Then it was Harvey Milk who said we had to come out of the closet. That was the way we get equal rights by letting everyone know who we were. I recommend watching the Academy Award winning movie "Milk."

by Anonymousreply 3106/28/2020

Hi Dustin/R31!

by Anonymousreply 3206/29/2020
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