Trump Seems Resigned Biden Will Win: ‘He’s Going to Be Your President’

I’m speechless that anyone could be swayed by the Drumpfs insanity. If you repeat a lie enough times it seems true if you want it to be true.

George Costanza advice to Jerry on how to beat the lie detector test: “Remember that it ISN’T a lie if you think it’s true “

Well, Donnie Boy is going to get a one word postcard from me after the election: "LOSER"

Trump, "Hell, I'm voting for Joe".

[quote] The president insisted that before the “China plague” hit

Lol... he's changing his wording.

It used to be "Chinese virus." Now it's "China plague."

What's with that? Does he think it will get him more votes?

"un-nice"? What? I'm un-shocked.

I believe in Trump's childish mind he thinks sounding pitiful with lines like “and all I’m doing is doing my job” is going to get him a huge pity vote. Don't be surprised if he doesn't start crying on camera soon.

"[Biden] is going to be president because some people don’t love me."

Wow. Just... wow.

That's a shame.

Isn't it cute? Isn't it true?

I don't like laughing at him, almost as a rule, but I can't help it this time.

I really don't care. Do you?

It's true, R10.

This is really a pathetic display.

The Morning Joe panel was just talking about this.

Joe was saying that Donald Trump is behaving as someone who doesn't want to be President any more, and that he might even resign by August.

SOME people don't love me? MOST didn't vote for you in the first place.

He won't resign unless he can wrangle a post Presidency pre-pardon for any crimes they may find he committed while in office. I believe if he could get that signed, sealed, and delivered today he'd resign tomorrow.

And I hope like hell he doesn't resign. I desperately want to see him lose, and then be investigated, ultimately indicted, convicted, and imprisoned.

Trump isn’t a professional politician. Professional politicians are hell bent to keep their jobs because they want to accomplish their agenda. Trump doesn’t really have an agenda. All that wall stuff was to attract Deplorables.

If it doesn’t get done, he’ll go on OANN and complain about Biden. He doesn’t really care about policies, he just wants to be worshipped as a God. And he’s in a much better place to do that if he gets a job as an OANN anchor or writes a book full of lies about how we’re all going to die if Democrats run things.

If he does get a deal, I want him to agree to shut the fuck up.

Thinking this might be one of his tricks so Dems get comfortable and don’t go out & vote.

If this stops being fun for him he may quit, then go on a lecture tour to the thrill of screaming crowds, saying they weren’t good enough to appreciate him and do t deserve him. He’d make a ton of money and be totally isolated from critics. He wouldn’t get the extreme health screenings of everybody around him like he does now though.

Then he’d probably catch Covid and die, but what a way to go!

Sanders:

But she suddenly seemed to lose interest She looked tired.

Tired. Tired. Turdface Tired.

[Che:] Face the facts, the Rainbow's starting to fade I don't think she'll make it to Phoenix now

[Aide #1:] It wasn't on the schedule anyhow

[Che:] You'd better get out the flags and fix a parade Some kind of coming home in triumph is required

I would think his fear of the Russians wouldn't let him drop out, he owes them.

No, Trump knows that votes will be stolen...he will continue his crooked path, destroying our country.

He's asked SCOTUS to strike down Obamacare. I guess he wants to be fired.

It's time to bring up Hillary's emails!

He's like a toddler that made a big mess and is very proud of smearing his feces all over the walls, even though he knows his parents are mad at him.

Yes, haha r5. The man critiqued Biden's English and in the next sentence used "un-nice".

Just a reminder that you can thank the Bernie Bros and their cohorts in the progressive media for handing Trump the "Biden is senile" slur.

And if Trump doesn't just lose, but lose in a fucking historic landslide, this country is doomed.

Anybody who looks at this shitshow and thinks "yeah, I'll take 4 more years of this!" needs to have their head examined.

He will NEVER EVER EVER resign. Please. He is far too stupid, far too egomaniacal and his pathological fear of losing would never allow.

Ever notice how he repeats words/phrases when he speaks? Classic autism scale behavior.

As Doris Kearns Goodwin said a few years ago, shortly after he was sworn in, something like "if Trump doesn't get a hold of his temper, it'll be the downfall of him, end of his presidency." She said a few years ago and I never forgot it. That's the one thing he cannot control - his anger, r28. I would put nothing past him if he got pissed off enough and did something erratic out of spite.

[quote]because some people don’t love me.”

to put it likely, most people I know openly hate the mother fucker

I don’t see him taking to the lecture circuit at all. First of all deplorables don’t have the money to pay him what he thinks he’s worth. Second, he’ll have to stay in backwater hotels and motels, since he won’t have the use of AF1 and Marine 1. I see him slinking away, screaming into the void on OAN.

Cripes, what a man-baby.

My guess is once out of office the other former presidents will shun him. The first ladies will be ok with Melania. But sad about Trump...not.

[quote]In a fiery Thursday night monologue, Fox News host Tucker Carlson warned Trump that he “could well lose this election” if he doesn’t turn things around soon.

Best thing I've read. It means none of them know how to save the sinking ship, because if Bowtie is imploring that fat fool to turn things around on his own... he's got one routine and nothing else and it's got him to here. Good.

[quote]My guess is once out of office the other former presidents will shun him.

He won't go anywhere near former presidents. It's all about him. He'd be sat, by precedence, next to the Obamas. The bully coward doesn't have the balls to do that.

[quote]“Whenever he does talk, he can’t put two sentences together”

Is he speaking in the third person again? This is all a show so when they steal the election (again) he can act as surprised as everyone else.

R29, he is not autistic. It is the ONLY thing he has learned to do right in terms of propagandist speak..but it also helps with his HUGE lack of intellect.

The second he’s out of there, Melania’s getting a divorce and will never appear at any of the events again. Even if she doesn’t divorce, she still won’t. She’ll take Barron to some remote place and no one will ever see either one of them again.

I guess she could try to make some money writing a book, but she’d have to do a book tour and she won’t want to do that. I think she’s on the spectrum too. She’s extremely introverted and seems to have no friends from what I’ve heard.

Wow. Everyone here seems so confident he is going to lose.

Just a reminder: Dubya sounded just as depressed and resigned going into his re-election campaign against Kerry. He really thought he was more than likely to lose - but ended up winning handily.

Dont count chickens yet.

Biden wins and I guarantee that Trump will skip the inauguration. He'll retreat to Mar A Lago and have the staff pack up. Melania and Barron will be in NYC.

R40, here is the difference:

Trump continues to dig a deeper hole with his lack of intellect, lack of empathy, lack of action, lack of a plan.

He is, by all accounts on the road that leads to a landslide.

I know at least 15 ppl that voted for him and now hate him with a passion.

That is everywhere. Even in D.C.

[quote] "(Biden) is going to be president because some people don’t love me."

This whining could be his new strategy. He's basing it on the concept of a Pity Fuck. He's trying for a Pity Second Term.

Despite his incredibly disastrous performance in every area, he's almost at 50% in Ohio to Biden's 50%. What would he have to do to make some parts of the country decisively reject him?

This really isn't about Trump anymore.

An introvert? R39, you must be out of your mind. How many introverts do YOU know who pose nude for publication?

What's with the spectrum talk? Trump is a narcissist, and very possibly or even probably a sociopath. Trying to turn him into an autistic person is pretty much trying to make him seem likeable, when in fact he's just rotten to the core.

Melania's career has always been about her looks, and since she hasn't even learned the language it's clear she doesn't give a shit about trying to fit in. She seems like one of those women who just feel too beautiful to have female friends since they believe other women are too envious of them. That said she does seem vulnerable in many ways, and it seems she's fully aware she comes from a poor Commie country and that people believe she used to be a whore. And if she really was a whore it's clear she knows her place, and doesn't even try to befriend society women. However since she was spewing that birther crap around she's clearly a cunt as well, and not just some mindless victim. Many Eastern Europeans are unbelievably racist.

Neither seem to be on the spectrum, neither are introverts who shun the limelight . They're just two asshole grifters who gut lucky way too many times.

I'm going to choose to pretty much agree with you, r42...everything adds up to him losing. I just can't whole hog invest in it as an inevitability.

[quote]Just a reminder: Dubya sounded just as depressed and resigned going into his re-election campaign against Kerry.

you made that up entirely

[quote]Dont count chickens yet.

but this is indeed wise

[quote] How many introverts do YOU know who pose nude for publication?

lots of porn models are introverts, bunnk. posing isn't about being sociable.

Trump resigns in August ... Pence becomes President ... Pence pardons Trump for all crimes. Can see this one coming.

The attempt to abolish ACA today would seem to indicate Trump is self-sabotaging.

Even people who are against Obamacare are like "WTF? We're in the middle of a pandemic! You can't leave millions of people uninsured!"

(Except for his base, that is, but that base is shrinking)

R49, there is ZERO chance of that happening. We are more likely to be hit by an oncoming comet that nobody saw.

R50, I think his base who are enrolled in Obamacare might take pause. He does seem like he’s self sabotaging and can’t help it.

R51, I see it happening only under specific circumstances. If Dump’s approval ratings hit the low 30s, there will be an effort to get him to resign, I think. Not that he would, but those numbers would signify an epic disaster in the 2020 election. But the powers that be would have to threaten him with something—revealing stuff that Dump is terrified to be public. I think one of those is his tax returns, if they show he’s in hock to Russian oligarchs. That actually would do tremendous damage, less so to his base, but certainly everyone else.

"you made that up entirely"

I absolutely did NOT make that up. He def didn't sound so confident in his re-election campaign. Granted the poll below isnt as dramatic as Biden's right now - but Bush winning wasn't a foregone conclusion, especially because of the Iraqi War.

I think he's too vain to go for any reason than himself. No one could implore, convince or threaten him into resignation even if they promised pardons. And what good would it do? That would have to go public and extend to the whole family.

The only option left for Republicans is to go down with him or renounce him when it gets close to autumn. Right now they can dither behind coronavirus, which must a like making plans in Hitler's bunker while you hear and feel the impact of the bombs and shells on the ground above.

He might be cagey enough to dangle resignation in exchange for pardons... but there's still no upside to anybody but him because it will still get out, it will still stink, although the remainers can retain deniability.... his idea, etc.

I am inclined to agree more with R49 more than R51.

One other thing... The only thing that makes me think he might be contemplating this is the firing of Berman and those odd comments to Hannity as if Biden is inevitable.

I agree that no one should under estimate him or the powers of the Deplorables.

He and they have singlehandedly screwed up our country's response to COVID-19 despite what the rest of the world was already proving worked.

Your neighbors, heck family members, are still majority stupid as dirt.

The decision to ask the Supreme Court to abolish the ACA, in the middle of a pandemic, is head scratching. McConnell is apparently furious because he wanted trump to wait until after the election to do this. Mitch knows this action will screw every single vulnerable republican in November. Trump is certainly acting like a man on his way out, trying to burn everything down while he still can. One thing we know about Trump is his obsession with being the biggest victim in the room. I don’t think he’ll resign, but I definitely think he’d rather lose than win. He can play the victim and his brain dead followers will support his new TV network that he’ll start, and they’ll support Ivanka when she runs in 2024.

You can count on me to not bring that hook...er, outgoing First Lady a Tiffany. hostess gift when she "shows me around" The White House.

He isn’t even trying anymore. He’s losing seniors by 9 points and he’s still pretending the pandemic isn’t happening and he doesn’t care. He doesn’t want to be president anymore.

[quote] his pathological fear of losing would never allow.

Trump is no stranger to losing. His multiple bankruptcies and business failures are a testament to how familiar he is with losing.

“His multiple bankruptcies and business failures are a testament to how familiar he is with “

But he actually looks at the bankruptcies as winning because he was still able to abscond with millions from those business before they tanked. Those bankruptcies in his mind cost him nothing.

r45, ugly women are really mean to pretty women. Even attractive women are mean to pretty women. Crabs in a barrel shit.

Jon Stewart has a wise observation. He needs to be heard more.

[quote]He's asked SCOTUS to strike down Obamacare.

In the middle of a pandemic.

What R36 said. Trump will not go anywhere near the past presidents after he loses or even NOW. Once Trump is done, he'll refuse to be a part of that pack. It'll take a lot of strain off the ex-presidents.

I don't understand all of these experts claiming Trump doesn't want to be re-elected. He's doing the same thing he did in 2016, and he won that year. To re-group and perform using a new strategy is beyond his capabilities. Sure, it can be written out, but Trump thrives on going off script. His off-script is always ignorant, petty, angry and self-serving. In the year 2020 = NO SALE.

This kind of sums up where's he's at.

TL;DR - under stress, people revert to their old habits.

So if DUMP resigns in August, and Pence becomes President, will all the Republicans who said they would support Biden, run back to Pence?

I can see Republicans mobilizing behind Pence, if DUMP quits.

Don't ever, ever, ever get comfortable with this language. This is the most important election in our lifetimes. He's *got* to go, people. It's absolutely ridiculous we're even theorizing anything about his motives. The ONLY motive we should all have is to get amped up to vote his dumbass out in November.

He’d rather lose than resign. If he loses he can blame everyone else.

Morning Joe said the opposite, R70.

Everyone who knows him said that his biggest fear is losing.

I wonder of this is manipulative ploy, from the king of manipulative ploys!

Democrats need to WORK for this win, under no circumstances is it going to just show up on platter. America does not hate Trump like you do, and he is much nicer to them than you are.

Have you volunteered for Biden? Are you planning to? If not, expect a loss. Note I said volunteer, not donate.

But he loves making up his own reality, r71. He'll never lose, in his own mind. It was all rigged. He really won. People are saying. Everyone knows it.

Why are Democrats and progressives falling for the old illusion that Republicans and Trump think they are going to lose this year? You guys bought it into this obvious illusion in 2016 to the point of being recklessly overconfident and lazy. Why would you give attention to their attempts to make a fool of you yet again?

R72, is correct. Stop falling for tricks

Get this hammered through your skulls, everyone: People who will vote for him again or the first time have more shame this go around and will not tell people they are voting for him, thus the current poll numbers are and will continue to be artificially deflated.

R74 DL clings to its caricatures of Republicans because hating them feels so good, so superior....

Forgetting that Republicans are every bit as smart as you and are aware of that behavior and will consistently use it to their advantage. It's called "playing country-dumb."

Trumps feeds your egos and feeds your egos like you're little gremlins, and then uses your hubris against you.

You know he doesn't actually post his tweets himself? He writes them out by hand in advance and an aid posts them. The misspellings and grammar mistakes are intentional, posting them at 3 a.m. is intentional.

Fools.

Trump is just firming up his base with his racism. He thinks he can win with that alone. There are an awful lot of ignorant racist in this country.

Silly homosexuals and trolls

Trump won because people hated Hillary almost as much as they hated Trump.

Biden doesn't have that problem.

And screwing up the national response to Covid which will leave at least 200K people dead is a lot different than grabbing women by the pussy.

Especially against an opponent whom most voters assumed was married to a man who'd likely said the same thing.

R79 Hubris! Pride goeth before the fall.

R76 You are completely correct. Trump voters also see inaccurate polling as a strategic advantage, and purposefully decline to be polled.

[quote] We cannot allow our fellow DLers to get lax and think we are going to win in a landslide again. We must post about the falseness of Trump's weakening support so they won't freak out about not having the right pen to calligraphy their mail-in ballot and thus not send it in.

[quote] Hubris! Pride goeth before the fall.

This is what I don't get.

Didn't these people learn their lesson in 2016.

They were SO SURE that Hillary was going to beat Trump, and they would scream and shout and berate anyone who questioned them.

Now we're in the same situation again this year, and here they go again.

So sure that Biden will beat Trump, and anyone saying otherwise, is a "troll."

These people NEVER learn.

[quote]So if DUMP resigns in August, and Pence becomes President, will all the Republicans who said they would support Biden, run back to Pence?

It would be difficult to have Pence become the nominee if this happens after the convention.

[quote] It would be difficult to have Pence become the nominee if this happens after the convention.

If Trump resigns in August, Pence would automatically become the nominee because he would already have stepped in as President.

He only says this because he knows Russia is fixing the election for him. Trump is a stupid man and telegraphs every move months before it happens.

He won't resign; his ego would not allow him to admit failure or that he did anything wrong. He will need to lose at the polls. And unless he turns things around, the Senate may just squeak by and go blue.

He's always wanted a network and likely wanted to take over all or part of Fox in 2016. Now that Ailes is gone (and Tucker et al have even turned on him a bit), I think taking over OAN is his best shot. Watch for it to be renamed the new TNT (Trump Network Television). Being offered a network before November would be the only way to get him out before November 3rd.

Something suddenly came up!

R87, that would be a hoot. You know OAN is a piddling operation, and deplorables won’t bring a lot of advertising dollars, they’re too poor. And you can forget about people paying extra for it like HBO. It will be a nice big disaster, just like his presidency.

The ideas that somehow Trump will resign in exchange for blah blah blah are fun to daydream about, sure. But don't think for a moment that this election isn't the most important in modern history.

Fantasize all you want, but you MUST VOTE. We all MUST VOTE.

I have a feeling that October is going to be a real shit show.

Fasten your seatbelts!

"This kind of sums up where's he's at."

OY

It's, This kind of sums up where he IS, lose the "at" permanently.

This is going to be a repeat of 2000. They won't decide who won until it's gone to the Supreme Court.

Probably, R93.

If Trump loses, you can pretty much guarantee that he will tie up the result with a lawsuit that will drag on and on.

That's his M.O.

He loves delaying any process that he doesn't agree with, by filing a lawsuit.

Because he's an asshole.

Maybe now is the time for The Lincoln Project to start scaring a few other people.

Trumpism is a cult. There's about 40% of the country so will go down with the ship, kicking and screaming. Fox News and Facebook are their only sources of information and serve to reinforce that the world is rotten and only Trump can make it right. That's why he's still in this - his sycophants who would walk over broken glass to get to one of his rallies.

Drive through rural America. The Trump flags and banners are all the proof you need.

I'm 10 years though, you'll be hard pressed to find anybody who will admit to voting for him. Never let them forget

R96, that’s exactly what happened with Hitler. As soon as he was gone, everybody who was a member of the party said they just did it to keep their job or not get in trouble, they didn’t really like him.

They didn’t really like him (any more) because he lost. When he was winning, they loved him. I have a feeling that’s going to be what happens here. Because other Republicans want to get elected and they can’t if they tie themselves to this shitshow.

So if you’re a Deplorable, you want to promote Republicans who are still in office or running for office, not defeated or retired ones. And they will be the spineless ones who say, “who he? Never liked him.” Watch Ted Cruz and Miss Lindsey come up with some excuse, if they’re still around.

"i WaS jUsT fOlLoWiNg OrDeRs"

[quote]If Trump resigns in August, Pence would automatically become the nominee because he would already have stepped in as President.

Did you just pull that out of your ass? Why on earth would you think that the president automatically becomes a party's nominee?

R99, In that case, it would be very hard to get rid of Pence. He would probably say I know where all the bodies are buried and you *will* be nominating me.

Think of all the crooked stuff people have done right in front of Pence. He knows everything. Not just about the Trumps.

Maybe it would be a god idea- for both of them- to not debate. What is there to gain? And most people already know who they're going to vote for.

I don't think him resigning is the best way for him to go. I would rather he hang in and be voted out.

I agree with those who say, don't stop fighting, don't let up, don't get comfortable. They are right, of course. But I still think something is happening here. I think the shittiest president in American history is slowly deflating, slowly giving up.

Doesn't mean anyone should change their behavior or stop doing anything, but still. It seems like he's finally getting it a little: America hates the bitch.

Agree 100% R97

The parallels between Nazis in 1945 and Trumpists in 2020 are quite obvious too.

I wonder if Trump will dispense cyanide capsules to the inner circle in November

OAN is a cable network that is carried by very few operators.

It might have some success as a streaming service but I suspect that like Glenn Beck's project, the audience would be limited.

R104 Please get your head out of your ass.

Pence would only become the nominee if he decided to run for the office, and that requires more than just being the current office holder.

Go suck Trump's nasty, shit encrusted asshole, R106.

Watch what I tell you. Trump's staff will start fleeing like the wind as soon as it's obvious he's not going to win. It will be a sea of diseased rats fleeing a sinking ship. A week after they're gone they won't even remember Trump's name.

I do hope the feds have an up to date inventory of every single piece in the White House and ever gift that has been given to Trump or Melancholia during their time there. Otherwise there's no telling how much they'll steal when they leave. I'm sure there's plenty they've received that they have never even listed with the government. Things received "under the table".

If Trump stepped down, Pence would not be the automatic nominee. If you think Cruz, Romney, and others wouldn’t fight to lead the ticket, you have missed the plotline.

Just think of all the appointments and pardons he'll make between November and January.

R108 This self-indulgent "Trump is literally Hitler!" shit is a political liability. Half of this thread is people detailing exactly how and why. It's like a drug.

I think it's funny that he's pivoted from THE POLLS ARE WRONG!! to "woe is me, I am too good for this world! They don't deserve me"

You can never tell what those traitorous repigs will do, but if they see Dear Leader sinking, it's not hard to imagine that they abandon in droves, so they can try & tell their voters they did everything they save him, but alas...he could not be saved!

R113 He understands your psychology and the mindset of your voting demographic, and HE IS TRICKING YOU. How many people have to say it? Are you all just too addicted to the pretend?

I think the failing numbers do point to the fact people are giving up on him in a number of different ways.

I don’t think that inspires laziness I think it inspires motivation. Some of you have been banging on about something the Democrats can get excited about this election - will here it is voting: for a landslide defeat of Donald Trump.

I don’t counsel giving up or taking anything for granted either. I think that message is vital. But I don’t think this is anything other than what it seems. The worst president in American history is approaching the ballot box. What would you expect people to do? He didn’t even win the popular vote last time and then nobody knew just how big of an asshole he can really be and 125,000 people weren’t dead.

R112: 'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

History is loaded with assholes like Hitler and their equally pea-brained supporters, willing to follow any crack pot, lamed brained asshole into oblivion because said asshole paints himself as their savior and only he can solve all of their problems, but only if they will just surrender their minds and common sense unto him.

Sound familiar?

Agree completely R115

I think many DLers were traumatized by 2016 and did not realize the extent of the animosity towards Hillary and how much that contributed to her defeat, so they want to be cautious in 2020 on the "once burned, twice shy" theory.

How many single issue voters has he lost since last time? Not counting the people whose single issue is supporting racism, obviously. Take healthcare. How many people believed the lie he told about better, cheaper health insurance that simply didn't materialize in any way for example?

The problem with not having a single issue that you are campaigning for is that you don't get those single issue voters. Everything adds up on election day.

R20. His bloated body is slowly breaking down, he's losing speed, he's losing strength not bile. If he climbs one more ramp it could be his last.

Another wary +1 with r115.

Daily, my spectrum meter of reactions to to whether Trump will be re-elected has gone from one extreme to the next : "He's toast", to "This fucking asshole country is going to put this despicable, bigoted incompetent gelatinous, cowardly, asshole in Office again!"

Lately though, I'm warily believing he's out, if for no other reason that even his secret voters, the kind who'd be dragged to hell before attending a Trump rally, are just plain weary of the whole spectacle from hell, and, speaking of "secret", want the Dems in for peace and quiet and to clean up the mess, although they'd die rather than admit that.

Long before "Morning Joe" openly talked about him withdrawing from the race rather than take a humiliating "LOSER" defeat, a lot of us here speculated about that possibility.

"Going down swinging" is an act of valor. It requires character on the part of the combatant. It requires honor, integrity and loyalty to "the cause", and, as we all know, Trump's cause is Trump.

It takes knowing losing is inevitable, but, for the sake of your own dignity and that of the people in your corner, you, in the words of Lincoln, give the "last full measure of devotion".

We're talking Trump here.

If he decides he doesn't want to be humiliated by a defeat, it's entirely possible he'll withdraw with nonsense like, "As President, I've been the best; better than any other. I've accomplished more in 4 years than any other, including FDR's 12, so fellow Americans my work is done."

I can just hear him bloviate along those lines.

R104, a lot of officials killed themselves after Hitler was gone, but a lot of those people weren’t in Hitler’s inner circle. Some of them were local mayors and other local officials, who had spent years shitting on their childhood neighbors, and now knew that once the Allies were running things, the locals would drag them into the street and tear them into pieces. Some of those weren’t really true believers, they had just used Hitler as an excuse to shit on people.

Others really were true believers, thought Hitler would miraculously solve every problem no matter how bad, and when he was gone they thought it was the end of the world and were terrified to live on. They had surrounded themselves with other True Believers and suddenly they knew all the privileges they’d received were going to be ripped away. A lot of them were more ass kissers than qualified people, so they could never reach that level again. They’d rather die than go back to being ordinary. And then there’s the ones that knew they were going to jail and wanted to cheat the hangman.

Trump’s situation is a little different. Virtually no one close to him is a true believer. Lindsey Graham, Kellyanne Conway, and all those professional hangers on and con artists don’t believe in Trump, they believe in paychecks. Trump will be shocked at how quickly his “friends” fall away when he’s out of office. Not even Pence and Mother care about him really. Mother hates him.

The True Believers with Trump are the unwashed masses that swallow whole everything he says without understanding it.

Some other Republicans, probably OANN and Alex Jones type conspiracy theorists, will continue to promote Trumpism because they can’t make money without riling up the public. The politicians are going to have to tone it down if they want to stay in office. A lot of local extremist Republicans will be driven out on the blue wave. And the Corona backlash in red states, after the thousands of deaths that will be hanging over their heads by election time, is going to drive out a lot of governors.

In the end, the foxes guarding the henhouse aren’t loyal. Only the sheep.

Well put R121

If you read the history of that era, many (not most, but many) Germans continued to be True Believers till the end and even as the Russians were surrounding Berlin believed that somehow the Fuhrer would pull out a wildcard and win.

Similarly, they believed all of Goebbels propaganda about how well everything was going and it was only when refugees from East Prussia began to arrive in Berlin that more of them started to wake up.

I also agree with those of you saying that in five years no one will admit to ever having been a Trump supporter or, if the evidence is too great to deny, they will claim they did it "for the courts" or some other nonsense similar to what the Germans claimed was the reason they became Nazis.

One huge difference is that once Hitler solidified his power, he had massive popular support in Germany, something Trump, who is actually more akin to Goerring, a fat pompous vain dolt, never achieved

Russia will fix the election for him. Again. They are already easily hacking into zoom calls and people working from home. Hacking election results is a piece of cake for them.

I heard Harry Reid is coming out with a vote where he states Russia changed the vote tallies in 2016.

Trump is the one that is senile if he can’t figure up there is only three years and five months difference in their ages.

Next he’ll be saying Biden has a comb-over.

Trump’s desperation is showing.

To paraphrase Hannibal Lecter “you stink of fear Donald“

His window to bow out with any fiction about doing all he could has passed.

But I have a question - an honest one -which is all those people lying to the pollsters and saying Biden when they secretly mean Trump... really, what's left to vote for? The economy is in terrible shape and the pandemic is out of control. Even he couldn't articulate a benefit to him. What's left to vote for? I know there's racists and freepers but they aren't 50% + 1. So for the people who somehow thought or gambled he'd do less damage than Hillary and the Democrats - what's left to vote for? Surely there are enough people somewhere between die hard Republican and Democrat who are left to vote against what's happened and what will come.

To quote Peggy Noonan R126

[quote] I believe in the phenomenon of silent Trump voters, people who don’t tell anyone, including pollsters, that they’re for him because they don’t want to be hassled. But eight, 10 or 14 points worth? No.

He is such a whiny little bitch

If the Republicans wanted to force him to resign, the way to do it is to get some kompromat on Jared or Ivanka and blackmail them with it/force their hand. They are the only ones that could convince Plump to resign. You think he cares two shits what the party republicans like John Thune or Ted Cruz think?

I think they're going to use him up and either arrange an assassination (blaming a pro-Biden Democrat, of course, to stir up support for voting Red) or he'll have a timely 'heart attack' or 'stroke' that will incapacitate him, leaving the GOP to spin his legacy and dance away from culpability.

[quote] I wonder if Trump will dispense cyanide capsules to the inner circle in November

No, he'll be giving them away as Christmas gifts instead.

[quote] Trump’s situation is a little different. Virtually no one close to him is a true believer. Lindsey Graham, Kellyanne Conway, and all those professional hangers on and con artists don’t believe in Trump, they believe in paychecks. Trump will be shocked at how quickly his “friends” fall away when he’s out of office. Not even Pence and Mother care about him really. Mother hates him.

Which makes them even worse.

Because they know how corrupt, evil and sadistic he is, but they're going along with him any way. For their own benefit.

Listening to the Pence's talk about how religious they are, makes me sick!

Over 100,000 have died because of Trump's failure to act on the pandemic, and even more will die when he takes away Obamacare.

And yet Pence is STILL out there talking about what a great job the administration is doing, and that we should "pray" that things get better.

That's not being a good Christian. That's being equally evil as Trump - AND complicit.

[quote] I wonder if Trump will dispense cyanide capsules to the inner circle in November

Trump is already pulling a slower Jim Jones/Jonestown -- encouraging his not-so-healthy-looking base to avoid wearing masks and congregate at his KKK rallies in the middle of a pandemic.

I know this is beating a dead horse, but in PA, I remember driving in some of the rural areas an hour from Philly and being a bit shocked at all the pro Dump signs—I mean house after house. In Philly, there are signs, but mostly for local politicians. There were no more than a handful on my block for Hillary OR Dump in 2016. And I remember being very worried about the bad rainstorms in Philly on Election Day because PA needs Philly to come out and vote Democratic.

I really don’t want to think the Russians hacked into the vote totals. I am hoping people were enamored of Dump because of his talk about foreign jobs (the area I drive thru is old steel country).

One additional note—in the five county Philly area, only Philly and Delaware County were Democratic. In 2018-2019, all five counties turned blue.

R43, you asked what it would take to turn current supporters in, say, Ohio, to drop him. It would have to be some outrageous action and not just something he says, because we know he would backtrack from that. Possible ideas include appointing pro-choice judges; an executive order taking away guns; and dumping Pence and selecting Hillary or Pelosi as VP. The diehards vote culturally, and gun rights, abortion, and hatred of certain liberals, especially females, keep them coming to the polls.

I have lived most of my life in the Rust Belt of Northwestern Ohio. There are a lot of Germans, Catholics, farmers, evangelicals, and former Democrats who walked away from the party when the factories closed and the Dems embraced anti-racist, pro-choice and gun control platforms. Many of these people are former Appalachians who moved north to work in the factories that are no longer here.

I think people on the coasts severely underestimated the power of decades of Limbaugh stories maligning Hillary. I have voted blue since I turned 18, but even I was tired of hearing about Hillary by the time 2016 rolled around. If Joe had run then, he would have won. She was a terrible choice, not because of who she is or her policies, but of her bad press since 1992.

Hillary did actually win the popular vote, r135, but I get what you're saying. For the rural areas, which sadly is too often the dumb fuck areas, it had been 30 years of relentless Hillary is the Devil propaganda. So yeah, hopefully, that won't have quite the impact with Joe Biden. We'll see.

[quote] even I was tired of hearing about Hillary by the time 2016 rolled around. If Joe had run then, he would have won. She was a terrible choice, not because of who she is or her policies, but of the LIES SPREAD ABOUT HER since 1992

There, I fixed it for you.

Hillary may be the most unfairly maligned politician in US history. It really did suck how the media decided to treat her. And although she made some mistakes, it really was a media decision, based on bullshit pretty much entirely.

Yup, r138. Perfect.

Regardless, someone -- Hillary and the DNC--should have been smart enough to say "look whether it is justified or not, half the country hates you now and that's going to make it next to impossible for you to beat anyone...even failed reality TV show host/pussygrabber with zero political experience.

At some point you need to cut your losses and after 2008 it should have been clear that--rightly or wrongly--she had too many negatives and did not have the necessary political acumen to overcome them.

how does that work, though, r140? She ran in a bunch of primaries and caucuses, and won. Who is supposed to step in and say, nope, white guy here, not on my watch! You can't be the nominee. It's gotta be Bernie or somebody. Who is supposed to make that happen?

She herself should have known that R141

The Clintons cleared the deck so she would have smooth sailing and people mostly glommed onto Bernie because he Was-Not-Hillary

It's one thing to have ambition, it's another to be realistic about your limitations.

she ran, she won, for the nomination. it's perfectly normal. she did seem like the most experienced and smartest candidate in a long time r142. I really disagree with the idea that it is up to people to decide, well, the media is full of assholes who get a veto on an obviously qualified candidate because they have stupid shit reasons. I really do. Bernie was my choice actually, initially, but she won and should not have been treated like some deeply problematic candidate when she so obviously wasn't. Sadly, the media never gets a reckoning, so they will still do the stupid shit they always do until the end of time, but still, she was the nominee fair and square and did not deserve the Clinton Rules treatment. We can't do anything about that now, but hopefully be very suspicious about everything published by the New York Times and Washington Post as we head into November. And of course everything on the Sunday Morning bullshit hours.

If Trump loses none of the trials Barr has impeded will go away? Gawd only knows what else they have on him. Look for Trump to do ANYTHING to avoid losing and facing charges when he doesn't control the Justice Dept.

Trump will likely pardon Roger Stone and the rest of his gang of criminals.

And when everyone complains about that, he will just say "but Marc Rich"

I gladly voted for Hillary, but I also believe the stories that she strong armed a lot of people (maybe Biden included) into not running. Yes she won the primaries, but perhaps she wouldn't have if 7 or 8 other Democrats would have been competing against her. Would we even know who Bernie Sanders was if he had gotten lost in the crowd?

In 2008 I voted for Obama in the primary because I felt Hillary would be dragged through the mud by the National Enquirer non-stop. I had no idea back then how dirty the Nat. Enquirer was.

It's no small problem for Trump that he isn't running against Hillary this time. The tragedy of his life, to be sure.

Adding to the "Trump Really Wants To Lose" bandwagon-- this morning he retweeted his support of a video from an elderstraight community in Florida where someone on the video could clearly be heard shouting "White Power!"

Trump seems relieved he's going to lose.

Let's really screw him and re-elect him, but with a veto-proof Democratic House and Senate.

That will really send him over the edge, along with Barr, Pompeo, Miss Lindsey, Moscow Mitch, Melania and out inept Republican governors.

MWWHAHAHAHAHAA!!

The benefit to a Democratic supermajority is we can make DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa and the Northern Marianas all into states, thus blunting the GOP advantage in the Electoral College.

The latter three will be a tough sell--they have small populations, but DC and PR should be fairly easy.

How on earth are we going to get a Democratic supermajority? Even if we do, I doubt AOC and her band are willing to accept imperfect advances. The last time, between Ted Kennedy’s death and Blue Dogs, we blew the opportunity.

[quote] I know there's racists and freepers but they aren't 50% + 1.

As you well know, 50% + 1 is irrelevant as long as we have the Electoral College.

[quote]I heard Harry Reid is coming out with a vote where he states Russia changed the vote tallies in 2016.

What the hell does this mean? Coming out with a vote?

[quote]It might have some success as a streaming service but I suspect that like Glenn Beck's project, the audience would be limited.

In more ways than one.

[quote]As you well know, 50% + 1 is irrelevant as long as we have the Electoral College.

You know, I honestly forget. Of course we do... so back to the battlegrounds. What a ridiculous system. We can tear down statues long past their sell by but we can't deal with that relic.

R154 The system is specifically designed to do this. It's supposed to force consensus. None of you had a problem with the electoral college until Clinton lost because of shitty campaigning.

Has anyone thought to try campaigning? No?

+1 R155

Up until Election Night 2016, the talk was of how the Electoral College was providing Clinton with her personal Maginot Line, "the Blue Wall" that would push Her to victory and that as soon as Florida was won the election would be over.

Actually, the Electoral College failed us in November 2000.

It should have been changed way back then. Especially with all of the republican gerrymandering which has taken place in the last 20 years.

Can you explain how the gerrymandering of Congressional districts impacts the Electoral College R157

Here R158...

In short:

[quote] Gerrymandering is a practice intended to establish an unfair political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries, which is most commonly used in first-past-the-post electoral systems.

You can read the long explanation at the link.

What would happen if electoral votes were tabulated on their own instead of choosing a winner by states? Aren't there a handful of states who only submit electoral votes rather than a state choice?

Sorry, I'm American by birth and have only lived in the USA for about the first 2 years of my life.

In parliamentary democracies it is not uncommon for the popular vote to belong to the party that is not in power.

Your question is confusing, r160, but let me do my best. For the most part, a state’s popular vote Is winner takes all and determines who the electors (representatives to the Electoral College) will be. Some are legally bound to vote the way the state did, but occasionally someone goes rogue.

A small number of states allow for proportional (NOT winner takes all) assignment of electors. They can split the state’s overall Electoral College voting.

Essentially, the EC is tabulated independently rather than by state. However, the number of states who Can split their EC votes is so small that the distinction really does not matter much.

R160 & R161, Maine & Nebraska are the only 2 states that split their Congressional districts in the Electoral College.

This is how Obama won an electoral vote in Nebraska in 2008 and how Trump won an electoral vote in Maine in 2016.

Well, if Donald trump did win an electoral college vote in Maine you can rest assured I believe you can rest assured I am very concerned that he’s learned his lesson.

That explains nothing R159

Gerrymandering affects the make-up of a state's Congressional delegation and/or the state legislature. It has nothing to do with the EC.

As per R162, except for NE and ME, the electoral college votes are calculated on a statewide basis.

You win the state, you win the electoral votes.

Everytime I see Democrats stamping their little feet about how unfair the Electoral College is, I see it as a tacit admission that the party has nothing to offer rural voters and never will.

We refuse to change, so change the system, basically.

I am a Democrat from a rural area and I assure you, r165, nothing Democrats do will change their allegiance. They want 1952 back, just with 2020 technology.

So help with the tech, rural tech initiatives. The Dems have to be more than the Sexual Revolution Party or they're unelectable.

Companies that try to bring jobs to rural areas usually find workers who do not want to learn new skills. A rural initiative by the Democrats would be derided as a government takeover. I know plenty these people. They want the life they imagined their grandparents living, with high wages for 40 hours of manual labor. The ones who don’t move away.

R168 Sounds like you need to move!

I don’t live in a rural area anymore, r169. I just came from one and still hear plenty.

"Companies that try to bring jobs to rural areas usually find workers who do not want to learn new skills. A rural initiative by the Democrats would be derided as a government takeover. I know plenty these people. They want the life they imagined their grandparents living, with high wages for 40 hours of manual labor. The ones who don’t move away."

I'm from farmers in rural Michigan and Iowa and let me tell you, many of these people don't even want the good manual labor jobs. My family has always had a bitch of time finding solid, decent help and we pay a living wage (for the area) including good health benefits. Given that, our best workers by far were from Mexico and Central America. And they weren't taking anyone's job - we turned to them as a last resort because most of the locals were lazy, flakes, alcoholics. Undocumented workers saved my family's collective ass.

Just out of curiosity r171, did you pay the Mexicans and Central Americans as much as you would the locals?