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Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons

They are hitting the big time.

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by Anonymousreply 600Last Sunday at 8:08 PM

Sorry, but you would either have to have so much money you didn't know what to do with it, or be a total Royal Family (or former Royal Family) whore, to even think about hiring either of these two. What could they possibly have to say that would be relevant to ANYTHING? They both just need to fuck off and go away.

by Anonymousreply 106/24/2020

They went through all this just for Harry to become a paid public speaker? While I suppose in some ways its a step up from your dad and grandma paying you to do it. Though at least that was for the general public not Wall Street bankers.

by Anonymousreply 206/24/2020

What do Wall Street bankers have to learn from the Harkles?

by Anonymousreply 306/24/2020

I think many people would like to listen to them just once to see what they had to say.

I hope they make a metric fuck-tonne of money.

by Anonymousreply 406/24/2020

But why? They have nothing to say.

by Anonymousreply 506/24/2020

Meghan can lecture on her Divide and Conquer method of family relations.

Harry can lecture on the fact that he wanted to be a Beatle. He couldn't decide if he wanted to be John or Paul so he married his very own combination Yoko Ono/Heather Mills and now he feels like he is both!

by Anonymousreply 606/24/2020

They are both so embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 706/24/2020

Meghan would have more to bring to the table just lecturing on the value of networking. I mean look where it got her. Harry is a harder sell. His poor little orphan shtick is tiresome given the position he was born into. I think they might do well as a novelty act for a short time.

by Anonymousreply 806/24/2020

[quote] They will focus on social issues such as racial justice (which the former Meghan Markle recently addressed with students from her L.A. alma mater), gender equity and environmental concerns. They will also speak on mental health; Prince Harry has shared his own struggles with grief and has championed emotional health initiatives and organizations in recent years.

[quote] there are no plans to accept any speaking engagements about the royal life they have left behind.

by Anonymousreply 906/24/2020

R5 - How do you know they have nothing to say?

by Anonymousreply 1006/24/2020

I thought Meghan McCain had the grief portion of the lecture circuit covered.

by Anonymousreply 1106/24/2020

More clichéd than this articled (linked) would be difficult: it appears that Harry and Meg are being forgotten and the news outlets are running out of things to say, or is that just Fox? But now they've signed up with the Obamas' agency, I assume they will be back on the agenda. Did they want to be in or out of the public eye - I don't think I really understand their position?

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by Anonymousreply 1206/24/2020

You linked a fox news article. Murdoch owned tabloid is currently being sued by the Sussex. Fox news. Really?

by Anonymousreply 1306/24/2020

The pandemic and quarantine really put a wrench into their take L.A. by storm plan. They are going to have to play catch-up now. If they really want daily and maximum exposure of any kind, Kris Jenner is who they should be signing with.

by Anonymousreply 1406/24/2020

Speaking engagements? Oookay pumpkins. Set in a good supply of coke for those chatty hours coming up.

by Anonymousreply 1506/24/2020

The Daily Mail will keep daily running stories on the Sussexes as long as the Daily Mail is in existence because these two generate more click$ for revenues with one story than all the other Daily Mail stories on the BRF combined.

by Anonymousreply 1606/24/2020

They squandered a great opportunity to make a difference. They fucked up (royally).

Harry could never be the "heir" and Meghan could never be Kate.

Meghan wants it all (fame and fortune and to be "heard") and Harry wants a quiet life. Major conflicts.

Whatever they do, I suspect these two will never be happy. There is never enough.

by Anonymousreply 1706/24/2020

Oh yeah, how ever did the Daily Mail, and the world, ever get up in the morning before Cringe and Whinge came along to enlighten all of us?

by Anonymousreply 1806/24/2020

Well, the problem is that the Obamas and Clintons both have something worthwhile to say based on actual experience and education vs. the grifter pair banking on their quickly fading royal celebrity.

I suppose, a girl's got to eat...

by Anonymousreply 1906/24/2020

R17 you want them to be unhappy. That is the core issue. They look happy, are getting good publicity, are together not mid divorce like the deranged obsessed nutters were stating. All confirmed with flight manifestos and confirmed witnesses that Harry was in the uk. All made up by obsessed nutters who are now being laughed at by everybody with more than one functioning brain cell. You blog loons are becoming a joke. Even the media is backing away from you.

by Anonymousreply 2006/24/2020

R13 Are the Harkles also suing Murdoch's group? I thought it was only the Fail.

by Anonymousreply 2106/24/2020

^^^Archie is suing, I'm serious.

by Anonymousreply 2206/24/2020

[quote]All made up by obsessed nutters who are now being laughed at by everybody with more than one functioning brain cell. You blog loons are becoming a joke. Even the media is backing away from you.

You know very well you will likely have to eat these words. The Sussexes have laid fairly low in recent weeks, to their credit, with the odd news drop and "sources close" quotes here and there. But we should wait until they re-emerge from the virus-mandated cocoon they've been in, because that's when the rubber will truly meet the road and we'll see how "good" their publicity will be.

These two have a big knack for taking decent luck and fucking it right up, bigtime. The next several months will be interesting for sure.

by Anonymousreply 2306/24/2020

Harry is suing the Sun. In regards to phone hacking. Murdoch owns the sun.

by Anonymousreply 2406/24/2020

What in hell would they "speak" about?

by Anonymousreply 2506/24/2020

Blogs are currently exploding with the nutters aggressive meltdowns. Go to any blog - Nuttyflavorblog, murkyMeg, Skippyblg LSA unpopular thread and see the derangement on display. All because of a charity photo and signing to an agency. It is obsession.

by Anonymousreply 2606/24/2020

I read that 64% of men go for women with the same personality traits as their mothers...poor Harry has to be one of them

by Anonymousreply 2706/24/2020

[quote]They look happy,

No.

[quote] are getting good publicity,

No.

[quote] are together not mid divorce like the deranged obsessed nutters were stating.

They've been married for barely two years.

by Anonymousreply 2806/24/2020

Harry is suing The Scum. Meghs is suing The Fail. Perhaps they could be booked and paid $$$ to talk about effective media management.

by Anonymousreply 2906/24/2020

They'd better not be speaking on behalf of Weight Watchers. That's my shtick.

by Anonymousreply 3006/24/2020

She keeps trying to make herself happen, but so far, no one cares. She has absolutely nothing to offer and has no personality or charm. The only thing she ever did was to snag a Prince and then promptly pussy whip him , made him "divorce" his royal family and turned him into a commoner and a beach bum. I wonder if he regrets the day he ever married her. She ruined his life and must be impossible to live with . There is no pleasing this bottomless pit of neediness.

by Anonymousreply 3106/24/2020

R31 he's not a beach bum, altho he did say he wanted to try surfing.

As for neediness, they are both needy in the extreme. No a good long-term combo.

by Anonymousreply 3206/24/2020

My guess is that their unique status and connection to royalty is a novelty for a speakers' bureau and will bring a lot of bookings initially out of sheer curiosity.

But those who can afford to pay Clinton and Obama levels of money are highly educated groups of people with high expectations of their speakers in terms of their knowledge and the quality of their speeches. They are used to listening to heavy hitters at gatherings and they know the difference between substance and fluff.

Harry is a poorly-educated oaf who didn't know he was related to the Romanovs and would not have graduated secondary school had faculty not cheated on his behalf.

Meghan is not nearly as smart as she thinks and probably lacks a great deal of knowledge. After all, she spent 15 years post-university in the shallowest business on planet earth. I hardly think she spent much time reading for self-edification. If she had read at all, she would have become familiar with good writing and picked up some writing skills along the way. But no, she produces word salads riddled with malapropisms that she clearly thinks are "intellectual."

Sure, they'll hire a succession of professional speech writers that Meghan WILL DRIVE BATSHIT crazy because there will be egg in the speech! She can tell! Yes, she thinks she can out-chef professional chefs. Of course, writers' drafts are going to be sent back covered in red with ridiculous edits. Not wordy or "meaningful" enough.

The big bucks bookings will probably dry up. They'll become speakers at small colleges and sales or trade conventions and talk about motivation and finding one's true self. Those audiences are usually more receptive to psychobabble.

by Anonymousreply 3306/24/2020

The View still hasn't filled the vacancy left by Abby Huntsman, maybe Meghan could make her daytime debut this September...

by Anonymousreply 3406/24/2020

For those of you who think they have nothing to say, I’m sure they’ll hire professional speech writes at a fraction of what they’ll be paid. They will do just fine.

by Anonymousreply 3506/24/2020

^ damn, professional speech WRITERS...

by Anonymousreply 3606/24/2020

The View? Oh, how I wish! Meghan in a catty female environment being told she's flat out wrong or being called out about something in front of a national audience of millions?! I can already see the gaping, pustulent narcissistic wound throbbing and Meghan striking out in RAGE.

by Anonymousreply 3706/24/2020

R35 - We're very sure Meghan will be very good at taking advice from professional speech writers because she has an excellent track record of "taking advice" from people with actual skills sets.

by Anonymousreply 3806/24/2020

She can read a script for TV why not for $$$ at Goldman Sachs?

by Anonymousreply 3906/24/2020

If I remember correctly, and I do, they tried the public speaking thing last winter at a JP Morgan conference in Miami and it went over like a lead balloon. Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result?

by Anonymousreply 4006/24/2020

R40 what were they speechifying about at the JPM conference?

by Anonymousreply 4106/24/2020

Harry talked about the pain of losing his Mommy. The billionaires didn't care.

by Anonymousreply 4206/24/2020

R10 They’re both in their late 30’s and I haven’t heard either of them say anything that hasn’t been said before.

by Anonymousreply 4306/24/2020

They have no discernible expertise. What kind of events would book them? Weddings?

by Anonymousreply 4406/24/2020

I'd pay $23.43 to watch Harry do a striptease. But only if he goes the full monty. If he won't go the full monty, I'd pay $0.43.

by Anonymousreply 4506/24/2020

They ought to write a daily column for Huffpost Personal!

by Anonymousreply 4606/24/2020

I would imagine the company that signed them must feel that have some capacity to draw a crowd and pay some outlandish amount to hear them blather on; otherwise, the company wouldn't have done it. There will be some curiosity at first, which very likely could be sustained since there are always sucker groups out there willing to charge their members to pay up to see and be see with these two. I would hope people wouldn't be so gullible, but time will tell.

by Anonymousreply 4706/24/2020

As embarrassing as these two are, this might be the most sensible move they've made since bolting the BRF.

I mean, companies will pay to have these two show up at their events just because wherever they go make headlines, so it would be extra publicity for the company.

Have no idea what they'll talk about though. Will she talk about BLM for the rest of her white-centered life? Talcum X looks more convincingly black than Meghan does. Maybe if she stops straightening her hair?

Also, THIS is what Harry left the BRF to do? To give speeches about eco stuff after flying on yet another private jet to get there? Or speeches about mental health when the whole world thinks these two exhibit a few mental problems of their own? Talk about Mommy, who would have loathed Meghan with the fire of a thousand suns merely for putting a wedge between the formerly close brothers?

I think they'll do well at first, get a lot of speeches and get paid well, but then the sheen of novelty will wear off quite quickly.

by Anonymousreply 4806/24/2020

They could be paid guests at folks' weddings, birthdays, bar mitzvahs.

How humiliating. Could pay big $$$ tho.

by Anonymousreply 4906/24/2020

Didn't Hals tell that Disney exec that Meghs can act? Perhaps she could reprise her acting.

by Anonymousreply 5006/24/2020

Keep throwing stuff against a wall, something’s bound to stick.

I think this might make them a bit of money, honestly.

by Anonymousreply 5106/24/2020

They'll end up talking about Royal life. Its the only game they have to play. They'll start after the their titles are removed at year-end. Not many will be interested in hearing from them. This is another failed endeavor.

by Anonymousreply 5206/24/2020

[quote]Didn't Hals tell that Disney exec that Meghs can act?

No, he told her that Megs can do voice overs. Literally, that's what he said.

by Anonymousreply 5306/24/2020

Speaking gigs pay well when a conference or convention actually takes place. Most of the groups who would hire them have canceled or postponed their events until first quarter of 2021.

They may be able to make some serious coin from the small elite gatherings but they need the large-scale national events to develop the sparkle reel that their people will use to market H&M to the big money groups.

by Anonymousreply 5406/24/2020

R53, it looked like a cringeworthy moment.

by Anonymousreply 5506/24/2020

r12 They wanted maximum scope for financial whoredom, minimal royal duties but maximum royal privileges and no criticism because that is mean and hateful. That is in a nutshell what they wanted.The other royals clicked onto this straight away.Being quasi royal is the basis of the celebrity income they crave. Why in a world awash with social justice warriors, protestors, policy experts and academics and an ability to mobilise and organise efficiently and effectively on social media to promote their message do we NEED these two b to be highly paid speakers lecturing the rest of humanity on social issues?? As a side point it's this kind of combination of celebrity, financial benefits and charity or philanthropy that is taunting the whole phenomenon of good causes.

by Anonymousreply 5606/24/2020

Perhaps Bezos could appoint them his philanthropic ambassadors at large.

by Anonymousreply 5706/24/2020

r56 my last line should say TAUNTING good causes not taunting!

by Anonymousreply 5806/24/2020

r58 TAINTING! good causes!🙈

by Anonymousreply 5906/24/2020

He should buy a yacht and she should run a brothel out of it -- Heidi Fleiss style. These jobs would incorporate the maximum amount of their work experiences possible.

by Anonymousreply 6006/24/2020

She, Megs Markle, will speak to the poors about the racial injustice she has endured in her 40 years. And Harry Wales the supreme idiot will lecture about mental health and his dead mommy. I'm interested to hear their messages.

by Anonymousreply 6106/24/2020

Who are they going to speak to? Groups of ten or less aren't really big-bucks audiences.

by Anonymousreply 6206/24/2020

**An earthquake in California, has anyone contacted Meghan to see if SHE is ok?**

by Anonymousreply 6306/24/2020

They'll likely not be speaking to anyone. Signing with an agency is no different than signing up to sell your house with a real estate agent. They only get commission if you get hired. Any agency would sign them for a 'fishing expedition', i.e. the agency might make a buck or two off of them without having to put much money up front into marketing, since they already have a 'certain kind of fame'. Nobody makes money unless they are hired to speak; and will that happen/ And how much would an organization be willing to pay for them? 'Signing with an agency' is really just another way to get a sound bite on today's media rotation. Time will tell if it has any teeth.

by Anonymousreply 6406/24/2020

Maybe they can do Cameo.

by Anonymousreply 6506/24/2020

They could conceivably talk about do-gooding in the third world, but their tour of Africa was a disaster and their tour of the South Pacific did not get great press either. They have no experience and the only thing that anyone would want to hear about is their leaving the royal family. Yet the people who want to hear about that aren't the ones this agency targets. I wonder why the agency took them on. The headline puts them on part with the Obamas or Clintons, but does the agency see them that way?

by Anonymousreply 6606/24/2020

To be honest, they should sign on as Fox News "analysts". Har could do the "Royal Watch" and Megs can comment on white privilege.

But Harry's Uncle Andrew made bank just by being a middleman and selling influence, so I'm sure some good Samaritan will come along an offer Harry a job.

by Anonymousreply 6706/24/2020

They most certainly will not speak of Royal life I suspect they'll speak about their causes: the environment, animal welfare, third world development and the like. Much like Jolie and just as mind-numbing

But the key take away here is they can't get a leg up in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 6806/24/2020

Is it a fait accompli or is it one of those wish-fulfillment things Megs does?

by Anonymousreply 6906/24/2020

Damaged goods once they left the Royal fold.

by Anonymousreply 7006/24/2020

She is trying to manifest it lol. Reality is they hire a photographer to snap them packing a few lunches so they can sell those pics to media. Ta da!

by Anonymousreply 7106/24/2020

The mail is reporting they are going to charge one million POUNDS (so, well over a million dollars) per speech?

That's more than the Obamas and the Clintons charge!

Why would anyone pay a million to hear the Harkles when you could an Obama or a Clinton for the same amount?

by Anonymousreply 7206/24/2020

Hester Klingnam on Quora. Researcher and reporter for German TV and Media. Answered questions on Quora about Meghan. Made statements about a multi million dollar pr spend and insinuated that Meghan's pr were trying to influence with payoffs certain media etc. Proven to be a total fraud. Every negative sussexblog and megxit account was tweeting and retweeting false information from a made-up persona who is now being investigated. And treating it as fact. These people are psychotic. Who creates a fake identity, asks questions from made up accounts then goes to blogs and gossip sites to forward this info. Psychotic obsessed nutters.

by Anonymousreply 7306/24/2020

Funny how their press push mentions the Clintons and Obamas. Harry Walker also reps Fergie, which is a much more apt reflection of Harry and Meghan's status.

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by Anonymousreply 7406/24/2020

Didn't David Beckham and Posh Spice try this already?

Nobody cared.

by Anonymousreply 7506/24/2020

Poor little rich boy Harry lecturing on anything is a joke

by Anonymousreply 7606/25/2020

I know. He's an object lesson on how to squander opportunities and how humiliate to himself oneself in public. Why would anyone pay a million pounds to hear what he has to say?

by Anonymousreply 7706/25/2020

I can't imagine anyone over the age of 15 with at least one functioning brain cell actually paying good money to listen to them.

by Anonymousreply 7806/25/2020

Looks like the offers are not rolling in for them to be intervewed by anyone, anywhere. Hence the speakers bureau. Does this mean that people wlll have to pay to hear their wisdom?

by Anonymousreply 7906/25/2020

Well, it's certainly a sign that the Hollywood offers are not exactly rolling in.

by Anonymousreply 8006/25/2020

Their colossal blunder--and holing up in Tyler Perry's LA mansion like AirBnB-ers--is one of the best, most satisfying things to come of the horrible pandemic. Not so much Harry, but she definitely thought she'd be a fixture of some sort in Hollywood by now. By the time this (the pandemic) is all over, literally no one will care about them. Whereas if they'd kept level heads and stayed on in their posts in the UK, they'd still be getting that attention she so desperately craves. She'll be lucky to be considered for 'Real Housewives of Beverly Hills'by the time the pandemic is over.

by Anonymousreply 8106/25/2020

Good point, r81. If they'd stayed in the UK, they'd be being lauded right now, and no paparazzi would have had any inroad, so they'd have had privacy.

Now, they're laughingstocks, in a borrowed mansion, and even when they help a decent charity like the one yesterdy, everyone just rolls their eyes. They've exposed themselves and allowed their image-masks to slip, and there is no going back now, ever.

by Anonymousreply 8206/25/2020

Charles and William "used Prince Andrew's disastrous interview to enact a coup against Harry"

A "Coup" against a second son? Makes zero sense.

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by Anonymousreply 8306/25/2020

I love it. Every time you trolls start these threads it comes back to bite the Brf in the ass. These threads are used as examples of the organized trolling and more and more people are thinking the Brf are involved. Keep it up.

by Anonymousreply 8406/25/2020

But I thought that Harry said he was planning Mexit from even before he married Meghan...

This 'coup nonsense is more Sunshine Sachs-led bullshit.

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by Anonymousreply 8506/25/2020

R82, exactly. They'd look like saints right now, like Kate and Wills doing Zoom calls to the nursery schools and nursing homes. But--as God has a sense of humour--they bailed on what could've been the easiest gig they ever had. To William's credit, he went to some small businesses and got a free birthday cake last week. I wondered as soon as I saw that if he promptly tossed it in the trash...no way he ate it.

by Anonymousreply 8606/25/2020

r86, Why would he throw out a free cake??

by Anonymousreply 8706/25/2020

R87, why wouldn't he? The video I saw was of him accepting the cake and showing it to the cameras, but not tasting. He's not a Datalounger...he has cakes upon cakes waiting at home.

by Anonymousreply 8806/25/2020

That was an excellent bakery, and he carried that cake like it was a little baby. Enjoy, Will!

by Anonymousreply 8906/25/2020

Ahhhh, so Will was seen helping a bakery last week so Hazsmug had to get one up on him by helping a POC bakery?

Now it makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 9006/25/2020

So do I, r4.

by Anonymousreply 9106/25/2020

But they won't, r4 and r91.

They've proven themselves unstable and untrustworthy, with big mouths.

No one is going to splash money out on the two of them unless their image improves - dramatically.

by Anonymousreply 9206/25/2020

I think the Harkles are rather ridiculous; however, pandemic or not--even in retrospect, I think they wanted out when they got out and wouldn't have wanted to wait in the UK until it was over. Granted, the pandemic has thwarted their plans to be king and queen of Los Angeles, but the pandemic will end at some point and life will return to something semi-normal. It already is to a certain degree. However, they've wanted out and had been planning their escape from the UK since before they got married. Their whole time in the UK together was a big lie while they waited to bounce.

I don't know what they offer the world that other spokespeople, pundits, do-gooders, charitable organizations and foundations don't already offer and do it much better than they do. But I suppose there are a number of companies out there who will pay to see and be seen.

by Anonymousreply 9306/25/2020

[quote] Their whole time in the UK together was a big lie while they waited to bounce.

The lie, if that's what it was, was very expensive £££. The wedding, fogmoor cottage etc etc

by Anonymousreply 9406/25/2020

R72, the article I read said that they “can” make that much. I mean, they “can” make $70million per speech — if someone were willing to pay that much It’s just semantics.

It’s like your unemployed cousin signing to a temp agency and his mom telling everyone she knows “Brian’s getting a job at Goldman Sachs!” Yeah, it *could* happen, but chances are he’ll be answering phones and won’t make enough to move out of his old room.

by Anonymousreply 9506/25/2020

Harry and Meghan are garbage.

by Anonymousreply 9606/25/2020

Success is inevitable.

by Anonymousreply 9706/25/2020

"The Queen has gifted the couple with Enough Rope".

I wish I could take credit for that remark. Alas, I can't. Somebody here at the good ole DL wrote that when the results of "negotiations" between the Sussexes and Buckingham Palace were announced.

What r33 and 47. Thank You for clarifying the agency thing, r64. That makes sense.

r82, you hit the nail on the head.

I hoped that Markle would have the sophistication, smarts and self-awareness to assess herself correctly and honestly- "I'm a mid-30s, divorced Bi-racial American who's snagged the Prince Harry, Grandson and Son of Q E II and the Future King; this is it, my role of a lifetime." And then hang on for dear life to her position within the immediate family of Charles, Prince of Wales, soon to be King of England and the Commonwealth Realms.

Obviously, however, she can't shoulder the entire blame for their stupid, self-imposed exile- even Harry didn't want t o remain in the fold.

Of course Markle can't be Kate. That she didn't seize that reality and turn it to her advantage to carve out a position and image, not in competition to her, but in positive CONTRAST to her, while remaining in the fold, always will puzzle and disappoint me.

This will end in tears. Without the imprimatur of a connection to the BRF, who cares about these two?

Obviously, I care enough to gossip, but really? Is this what it's come to? I could gossip, and do, about any other celebrities who are much more interesting and more fun to gossip about. The only thing these two had going for them is the thing they've relinquished.

I've written this before and I do so again-upon a divorce, which is inevitable, he'll slink back to England, tail between his legs but then regain his popularity. He'll be forgiven and welcomed back both by the BRF and the public.

Markle, otoh, ain't no Lauren Sanchez, who everybody loves to diss for being a "gold-digger" but whom I admire. Sanchez has Game. Her lingerie should be retired and draped from a rafter in the Gold-Diggers Hall of Fame.

Markle isn't in her league; not even close, so any notions she'll upgrade to a hedge -fund billionaire post-Harry should not be entertained by her. But she'll think she can, and it'll be just another mistake of self-awareness on her part.

Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who, if she were still alive, would have, long ago, become bored outta her fucking mind with JFK, Jr., divorced him and by now, be on 3rd billionaire. Markle, otoh, doesn't have her desirability.

Wealthy men see their women as a reflection of their power and status. The ex-wife of JFK, Jr? Check.

The ex-wife of Prince Harry? Not.

Again, this will end in tears. Hers.

by Anonymousreply 9806/25/2020

I don’t know why she even bothered. When you’re marrying “up”, that’s what happens. A worldly woman such as Meghan should know this.

They forever look down on you, and that’s just the way it is. It’s the price of admission, and so you have to take that price into account when you’re making your calculations. Is your skin thick enough? Are you valuable enough to them that they eventually see you as an asset?

She was just in for a smash and grab, it seems. A smarter golddigger would have a better long con for a better return.

by Anonymousreply 9906/25/2020

^^ and now she’s scrambling instead of working towards security and posterity.

She’ll be a footnote like Heather Mills.

by Anonymousreply 10006/25/2020

There is always DWTS.

As contestants or guest judges.

by Anonymousreply 10106/25/2020

Time to enact Plan B. Meghan will engineer a Patty Hearst style kidnapping of herself. Harry will go into 24 hour televised panic mode pleading for the kidnappers to release the mother of his child. The BRF will be roped in because they can't be seen as being cold and aloof and they will be forced to pay the ransom money, which the "kidnappers" will split with Meghan. Meghan will then go on the talk show circuit, write a book and become an expert in conflict resolution.

by Anonymousreply 10206/25/2020

Bad for the brand, R102. Patty Hearst went to jail.

Not that Meghan doesn’t deserve some time in solitary for her many transgressions against good sense and good taste, not to mention the heist she’s pulled on the UK’s taxpayers...

by Anonymousreply 10306/25/2020

[quote] Bad for the brand, [R102]. Patty Hearst went to jail.

Patty Hearst wasn't daughter-in-law to the Queen of England.

by Anonymousreply 10406/25/2020

Of course Meghan’s not Kate. Thank goodness.

The double standard regarding the two duchesses is so obvious. Kate is not much better than MM. Maybe even worse. She’s a horrible role model for women. Just sit around and be a your man’s beck and call, basically a doormat and bed warmer. It’s kind of lame.

by Anonymousreply 10506/25/2020

Good for them. But they can do better.

by Anonymousreply 10606/25/2020

R92 - How have the Sussexes proven themselves unstable? Examples please of instability.

by Anonymousreply 10706/25/2020

[quote]How have the Sussexes proven themselves unstable? Examples please of instability.

Meghan's letter to her father and the subsequent lawsuit that she will lose

Moving from England to Canada to US with no specific plan in place

Copyrighting every word that contained "Sussex Royal" and thinking they could earn money off their royal name

Being given a completely refurbished residence and then acting like it wasn't good enough

by Anonymousreply 10806/25/2020

R108 - I agree that all the things you listed are very bad judgement. However, I do not view any of those things as mental instability.

The whole "truth" on the Sussexes has not yet come out so I try not to make hard judgments based on the face value of tidbits published by the British Tabloids and so called "Royal Watchers" or "Royal Reporters".

"Copyrighting every word that contained "Sussex Royal" and thinking they could earn money off their royal name". This may have been done to prevent others from making money off "Sussex Royal". I have a friend who did a copy right for her business and she did the exact same thing even though she has no intention of selling T-shirts, pens or coffee mugs.

It should be noted that Buckingham Palace has an almost identical copyright and has had said copyright since Buckingham Palace was open to paying visitors. I think the Duchy of Cornwall also has a similar copyright to protect itself from exploitation.

It appears to me you really dislike Meghan & Harry but I may be misinterpreting what you posted.

by Anonymousreply 10906/25/2020

R107, I’d say that their living situation is a very good example of their instability. I’m only considering their residences post-Archie, because their instability doesn’t really affect anyone else.

When Archie was born, they ostensibly lived at Frogmore. She decamped to the Clooney mansion for a while, they did a few trips with and without him. Went though a few nannies, exited to Canada and lived in one or two (??) borrowed homes there. Then they went to LA and live in a borrowed mansion there.

In the first year of Archie’s life, he’s lived in four separate residences, only one of which actually belongs to his parents. That’s not counting all the hotels. In a year.

Babies really benefit from a structured schedule and consistency in caregivers. In their first year of life, they learn about object permanence. It’s a cute idea to think you’re turning them into experienced world travelers and exposing them to new experiences, but that doesn’t happen until later stages of brain development, I’d say after “the age of reason”; about seven years old.

Would you advise any new parents to move house that many times in a baby’s first year? Of course not!

by Anonymousreply 11006/25/2020

I’d say throwing hot tea at someone is a sign of instability. PTSD triggered by camera shutters clicking would be, also. Ghosting all family members.

by Anonymousreply 11106/25/2020

R110 - What you posted makes sense from all that the tabloids have published but I cannot say that I believe all that has been published by the tabloids.

With regards to "She decamped to the Clooney mansion for a while", do you have a link to a trustworthy source for this information. I have read this allegation many times but I have never seen it attributed to a trustworthy source.

If all that has been discussed here is true then I view it as extremely poor judgement. IMHO, poor judgement is not mental instability.

Example from my own life; My mother had very poor judgement and she was never satisfied with anything because she could never make up her mind. Her choices were made by default not in analyzing possible outcomes but she was in no way mentally unstable.

by Anonymousreply 11206/25/2020

I think Harry hates public speaking, I guess he better get used to it.

by Anonymousreply 11306/25/2020

"Ghosting all family members."

R111 - I have ghosted a majority of my family members because they are despicable and trouble causing individuals.

One the best way to avoid to avoid trouble is to stay away from people who cause trouble.

With the exception of Meghan's mother, I do not think very highly of Meghan's immediate family . I myself would not want to be around these people.

by Anonymousreply 11406/25/2020

I don't believe the decamped at Clooney's rumor either.

That was a Sun shine Sacks arranged surface "friendship" for mutual exposure.

Both women are too fiercely attention and camera seeking to be able to be in each other's competitive orbit for long.

by Anonymousreply 11506/25/2020

These two are the anatomy of a disaster.

There should be textbooks about it. They define the term completely.

by Anonymousreply 11606/25/2020

"These two are the anatomy of a disaster."

R116 - No! NO! and FUCK NO! Donald Trump, Mike Pence and Mitch McConnell are the anatomy of a disaster.

A text book needs to be written about Trump, Pence and McConnell.

The Sussexes are just harmless entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 11706/25/2020

I hadn't thought about the effect on Archie being moved from one place to another so often. It's a form of abuse. And what's Harry's immigration status? Archie I assume is a US citizen.

by Anonymousreply 11806/25/2020

The fact that these two whiny bitches allowed the British taxpayers to pay to renovate Frogmore Cottage to the tune of $3 to $4 million dollars knowing that they were planning and scheming to leave the UK while their new home was being renovated is all you need to know about their character.

Yes, I know, they thought they could be part-time royals and do the glamorous stuff they wanted and ignore the crap that they didn't want. So I guess they thought their part-time plan entitled them to run up the bills up on Frogmore. Problem is, they didn't ask the boss if part-time were possible. So now they have to pay back the cost of the Frogmore renovations. Perhaps they should have said, "You know, we're thinking of leaving the UK, why don't you hold off on the Frogmore renovations."

by Anonymousreply 11906/25/2020

[quote] But Harry's Uncle Andrew made bank just by being a middleman and selling influence

That avenue would have been open to Harry had he stayed close to the royal family. Andrew was able to do that because of his close proximity to the senior royals. Eventually Harry may be in a similar position, but not while they are estranged from the family in LA.

by Anonymousreply 12006/25/2020

Would Harry have to be a rapist like his Uncle Andrew also?

by Anonymousreply 12106/25/2020

Harry has a Mummy now to instruct him, he'll be fine.

by Anonymousreply 12206/25/2020

R119 - You do not know what you are talking about in regards to Frogmore Cottage. Frogmore Cottage was scheduled for renovation BEFORE it was made available to the Sussexes.

Per Wikipedia:

In the early 21st century, the cottage was a series of five separate units housing Windsor estate workers. The cottage was in a derelict uninhabitable state for many years prior to 2018 and scheduled for renovation..

In 2019, the house was converted into a four-bedroom-and-nursery, single-family home, at a reported cost from the Sovereign Grant of £2.4 million. As a property of a Royal Palace of State and designated heritage site, Frogmore Cottage was always scheduled to be renovated, regardless of occupant, something also confirmed by the Keeper of the Privy Purse Michael Stevens.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex later announced they would repay Sovereign Grant expenditure, while it is to remain their family home. The couple, who in 2018 had their wedding reception at nearby Frogmore House, moved from Nottingham Cottage to Frogmore Cottage in 2019, before the birth of their first child, Archie Mountbatten-Windsor.

by Anonymousreply 12306/25/2020

Meghan was treated with kid gloves. Swipe for details.

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R124 - There is no questions that Meghan was treated well at first then something major happened. I would love to know what that major something was.

The Sussexes have made many mistakes and deserve to be called for those mistakes.

However, the scrum over Frogmore Cottage and the scrum over how she dealt with her horrible family are not among those mistakes.

by Anonymousreply 12506/25/2020

You Yanks take this lot so seriously.

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[quote]You do not know what you are talking about in regards to Frogmore Cottage. Frogmore Cottage was scheduled for renovation BEFORE it was made available to the Sussexes.

The state of the house doesn't matter. It's the fact that they were given a free house and thumbed their nose at it. How many people would have loved to have been given that house?

by Anonymousreply 12706/25/2020

Harry never intended to bail. You may recall just before the wedding he stated "Megan doesn't really have a family so I'm happy she'll now have mine."

He's taking her disastrous lead. Frankly I think she may be bi-polar. This will end in tears speaking engagements or not

by Anonymousreply 12806/25/2020

Okay, they’re totally stable individuals. Meghan has a commitment to strong and lasting relationships and absolutely zero delusions of grandeur.

Makes no difference to me.

by Anonymousreply 12906/25/2020

And even discounting the Clooney story, they have lived in three countries in three different domiciles (where’s the proof of any of THOSE stories?) dragging their baby and dogs along.

Very stable. Stable geniuses.

by Anonymousreply 13006/25/2020

She is textbook narcissist.

One of the traits is they are never satisfied no matter how much you bend over backwards for them, they will always complain you didn't do enough.

The post above states all the protocols the Queen abandoned during their engagement just for her yet she still bellyached. If the Queen had given her the tiara she wanted, the apartment at KP and allowed her to walk ahead of the Cambridges at every Royal event she still would have moaned the horses used for the carriage at her wedding were not of prime stock and not properly groomed.

You just can't win with these types.

by Anonymousreply 13106/25/2020

R127 - I do not think the Sussexes thumbed their noses at anyone or any house. The left the BRF and moved to California. Frogmore Cottage belongs the the Crown Estates. The 2.5 million in renovations stayed with the house. QEII can "give" Frogmore Cottage to anyone she chooses. Do you think Jack & Eugenie might want it?

Are you telling me that if my father buys me a house in Atlanta, Georgia that I have no right to give him back the keys and move to Miami, Florida or London, England?

by Anonymousreply 13206/25/2020

Meghan should pull a Fergie and write a children's book series.

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Fergie was allowed to use HRH on the cover of that book at R133. Yet the Sussexes are not allowed to merch and shill. Double standards, hypocrisy, racism, call it what you will.

by Anonymousreply 13406/25/2020

R132. You are misinformed. H and M negotiated to retain FC as their London residence. They are meant to pay rental fees for it now.

by Anonymousreply 13506/25/2020

Are they paying rent on that hideous McMansion they've got in LA?

by Anonymousreply 13606/25/2020

Lady Colin Campbell's book was released today in the UK....

by Anonymousreply 13706/25/2020

Do you think Charles regrets walking her down the aisle?

by Anonymousreply 13806/25/2020

Maybe they will have to resort to a sex tape for cash @R126

by Anonymousreply 13906/25/2020

Does anyone have proof that MM has done all the things that she’s accused of?

by Anonymousreply 14006/25/2020

Well, R125, according to LCC here's 2 for starters:

----attending Euge wedding in her maternity coat and going from guest to guest telling everyone she was pregnant

---throwing hot tea at an assistant whereby BP was forced to apologize in the paoers, emphasized the employee was excellent, and gave her £250,000.

by Anonymousreply 14106/25/2020

Wow, so LCC confirms those two stories?

Can you imagine what a shock for the family it was to have someone who behaves like that in the BRF?

Upperclass Brits typically never even so much as raise their voices, much less toss hot beverages on their staff.

I'll bet they had absolutely no idea what to do after she did that.

by Anonymousreply 14206/25/2020

If they can make this work, good for them. They should be taking any opportunity to earn their own money and pay their own way. I don't see how they'll be more than a short-term novelty act, but if they did find long-term success as paid speakers, there are worse ways to pay the bills.

Still, though. If Meghan had just toughed it out in the UK until everything settled down: Being the first biracial British royal, particularly in the current cultural climate, was a fantastic niche that Kate never could have touched. As Della said above, Meghan could have carved out a unique position in contrast to Kate. Why Meghan didn't see that, we'll never know . . .

by Anonymousreply 14306/25/2020

Commentary on her stans and how she/they (as usual) pissed on Charles' Windrush speech

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MM’s haters are ten times worse than her stans.

by Anonymousreply 14506/25/2020

[quote] And what's Harry's immigration status? Archie I assume is a US citizen.

Harry is a citizen of the United Kingdom. Archie has dual citizenship, the American one by right of his mother. When he turns 18, Archie will be able to decide whether he wants to have single citizenship or dual. According to the current rules, when Charles becomes King, Archie will automatically become a prince regardless of Harry's status at the time. Politically and diplomatically, it would be a bad situation to have an adult British prince being an American citizen. In order for Archie to retain American citizenship in adulthood, he would probably be required to relinquish all royal titles.

If Harry does break free of Meghan's hold and returns to Britain, it's likely Meghan will keep her bargaining chip with her in America with Harry being given visitation rights.

by Anonymousreply 14606/25/2020

[quote] Being the first biracial British royal

She wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 14706/25/2020

The first biracial British Royal in modern times. Queen Charlotte's biracial status is disputed, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 14806/25/2020

Not by the paintings of her, nor by her own doctor's written notes about her, r148. Both confirm she was bi-racial.

by Anonymousreply 14906/25/2020

I think they are upping the game by doing what will be referred to as strip lecturing.

They will disrobe while they give the talks and end with a live sex show.

by Anonymousreply 15006/25/2020

By time Archie hits 18 he'll be the new Redmond O'Neal.

by Anonymousreply 15106/25/2020

Yes, but Queen Charlotte's potential black ancestor was quite far back in her family tree. She didn't have a black parent like Meghan.

It doesn't matter if Charlotte was or wasn't. The point is that Meghan could have cared out a unique place for herself in the BRF with a little patience and planning. Neither of those things appear to be her strong suit, so let's hope the speaking gigs work out.

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[quote]Fergie was allowed to use HRH on the cover of that book at [R133]. Yet the Sussexes are not allowed to merch and shill. Double standards, hypocrisy, racism, call it what you will.

R134 has trouble differentiating between a work for charity and grifter's blatant scam.

by Anonymousreply 15306/25/2020

Maybe he'll use his actual name.

by Anonymousreply 15406/25/2020

R135 - If the Sussexes are paying rent on Frogmore Cottage to retain the right to occupy when in the UK, then what is the problem? I am not a big fan of the Sussexes but they are damned if they "do" and damned if they "don't"..

What is it that the Sussex haters really want the Sussexes to do? I have a hard time believing the haters want them back in the UK? If you do not want them in the USA or UK, where do you want them to live?

by Anonymousreply 15506/26/2020

Oh sure, Harkles faithfully send in their rent check plus the £18,000 per month pay-back on house renovations. Oh yeah, sure. Just like they pay for the hundreds of thousands on security and millions to their crap PR firm. They financially independent!

by Anonymousreply 15606/26/2020

Merchie will end up every bit as a social media hungry, grasping celebrity. as his parents. I see more of a Paris Hilton, blogger, LA outsider in his future, someone who never made it to A List in showbiz just like his mother. He'll be like Cher's Chaz.

by Anonymousreply 15706/26/2020

I hope this is not the agency that approved the last speaking tour for the Clintons. That bombed big time. They couldn't give the tickets away.

by Anonymousreply 15806/26/2020

Poor Archie doesn't stand a chance. With Diana's mental illness gene and Meghan's narcissism, I see a Jussie Smollett noose in his future.

by Anonymousreply 15906/26/2020

Merchie's future. In L.A. I meant Perez Hilton, not Paris Hilton.

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by Anonymousreply 16006/26/2020

Meghan's father Thomas Markle in a high school photo.

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A young Doria.

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If she had played her cards right with her father she might have been able to get a gig on General Hospital when the show returns to taping. He worked there for years and even won an Emmy. Hell, they may have even cast her as new Chief of Staff when Monica Quartermaine finally retires.

by Anonymousreply 16306/26/2020

Signing to an agency (of any sort) doesn’t mean all that much. If they get the Harkles work, that’s great.

by Anonymousreply 16406/26/2020

LOL, R102. That reminds me of the plot to Ruthless People with Danny DeVito and Bette Midler. He has her kidnapped and then refuses to pay the ransom. That's a great way to get rid of her and he can resume his old life back in London.

I try to stay away from these threads because of all the hate shown towards these two. But I am really starting to feel bad for Harry. He's like a rudderless ship right now. He does not seem to have any future here and I'm thinking he's starting to understand it. The American dream ain't happening. I'll give him 3 or 4 more years before he quits and goes back home to his family (without Meghan). They will welcome him back with open arms.

by Anonymousreply 16506/26/2020

The Royal Family might, R165, and then again, they might not.

I suspect the people of the UK won't be quite so forgiving, though. Their world will have changed by then and he won't have been a part of it. HM the Queen will be gone or gaga and it'll be Charles or William in charge.

by Anonymousreply 16606/26/2020

I don't think the BRF will welcome Harry back. By then, the betrayals will really have mounted up. I wouldn't be surprised if Harry ends up seriously fucked up on drugs.

by Anonymousreply 16706/26/2020

Publically, they'll always welcome him back. What kind of acceptance he gets in private may be quite another matter: Wills doesn't strike me as the forgiving type.

by Anonymousreply 16806/26/2020

Once lost, it's hard to recover trust.

by Anonymousreply 16906/26/2020

If I were William, I wouldn't be quick to forgive. He went through the same traumas as Harry. Unlike Harry, he first had to put up with several years of being his unstable mother's confidante. Yes, he's got a bigger piece of the pie now, but he also has far more responsibility. Harry has no one to blame but himself if he's unhappy. William is smart enough to know that, and I'm sure he's tired of the whining.

by Anonymousreply 17006/26/2020

R153 Fergie was not doing the budgie books for charity. It was part of her, successful, attempts to stave off bankruptcy.

by Anonymousreply 17106/26/2020

I blame William for his fall-out with Harry.

If William has any sense, and I believe he does, he'll have learned his lesson to keep your yap shut about an immediate family or friend's partner.

And yes, I know it's reported that William merely urged Harry to take it slower with Markle, and wasn't directly critical to Harry about her, but still, that stuff gets heard entirely differently by the listener. It's heard critically.

There is an old expression- Unspoken words can't be regretted.

If you value your relationship with your family member or friend, you'll keep your opinions of their choice to yourself.

by Anonymousreply 17206/26/2020

R172 he wasnt wrong.

by Anonymousreply 17306/26/2020

There's no right way with Harry, whose sole mission in life is to one up his brother. This is the first peace any of them have had in 35 years.

by Anonymousreply 17406/26/2020

[quote]And yes, I know it's reported that William merely urged Harry to take it slower with Markle, and wasn't directly critical to Harry about her, but still, that stuff gets heard entirely differently by the listener. It's heard critically.

It's especially difficult to live in the shadow of a more successful sibling. Harry is the Roz Kind of the BRF.

by Anonymousreply 17506/26/2020

Perhaps William had a much better old expression in mind — marry in haste, repent at leisure.

by Anonymousreply 17606/26/2020

Urging a family member to take it slower is quite different from telling them their prospective spouse sucks. William had seen his parents' hasty marriage blow up in their faces, and he was in a stable, happy marriage with a woman he vetted for nearly a decade before marrying. Harry should have listened to his brother's advice; or, at the very least, he shouldn't have been offended when William tried to give him the benefit of his considerable experience. Instead, Harry has estranged himself from his only brother for going on 3 years, which shows what a stupid, selfish, spoiled brat he really is.

by Anonymousreply 17706/26/2020

Exactly right, r177.

by Anonymousreply 17806/26/2020

And William knows about taking it slow. It took nearly 10 years for him to pop the question.

by Anonymousreply 17906/26/2020

R179 he was also much younger when he met Kate. If he had proposed to her after 18 months when they were...22(?)...there would've been opinions

by Anonymousreply 18006/26/2020

I recall it was reported that Charles confided to HM and others present during Mexit negotiations at Windsor that Charles was concerned about Harry's mental health. That Harry was quite distraught and that he sobbed to Charles that he couldn't take the pressure I believe this was in the Guardian It implied the possibility Harry might do something rash if his demands were not met

by Anonymousreply 18106/26/2020

Harry is such a classic borderline. Exactly like his mother: Scream and wail and emotionally blackmail those closest to you until they give you your way. Sad as it might have been to see Harry go, I bet there is relief now that it's Meghan who has to put up with his bullshit instead of them.

by Anonymousreply 18206/26/2020

I look forward to the Mommy Vlog.

"At home with the Mountbatten Windsors!"

Will it be as tasteful as Living Lohan?

by Anonymousreply 18306/26/2020

Fergie was still married to Andrew when she wrote that, R134, so she was still an HRH.

by Anonymousreply 18406/26/2020

Wasn't there a story that Diana warned both her sons not to marry someone they didn't know very well?

If this is true, then perhaps William invoked Diana's warning when cautioning Harry.

Since Dim spends lots of time (and words) talking about his mother, it's a wonder he didn't heed her advice.

by Anonymousreply 18506/26/2020

[quote]It implied the possibility Harry might do something rash if his demands were not met

Like get fucked by a rich Egyptian Muslim playboy? I'd pay to see that.

by Anonymousreply 18606/26/2020

It'll be interesting to see how Kate and Wills succeed or fail in averting the Curse of the Spare with Charlotte and Louis. After Harry, Margaret, and Dear Rapey Uncle Andy...gotta be a priority.

by Anonymousreply 18706/26/2020

[quote]averting the Curse of the Spare with Charlotte

Well they won't have to worry about that because I *will* be Queen!

by Anonymousreply 18806/26/2020

I think the curse of the spare is more acute when there are just two kids. In that scenario, one kid is the chosen one, the other kid gets the leftovers. If there are three or more kids, there are multiple spares, so each doesn't take their lesser status so personally.

by Anonymousreply 18906/26/2020

[quote]I think the curse of the spare is more acute when there are just two kids.

It was a lot worse in Margaret's day because they knew she wouldn't be queen but wouldn't let her marry or do her thing. Liz was more lenient with Andrew and Charles even more lenient with Harry. The pressure of being the spare is not as great as it used to be.

by Anonymousreply 19006/26/2020

And yet Andrew (definitely) and Harry (arguably) are much messier spares.

by Anonymousreply 19106/26/2020

R123 I’m also sure that as a property of a Royal Palace of State and designated heritage site, Frogmore Cottage was always scheduled to have a yoga studio, barbecue area, a gender-neutral nursery painted in cruelty-free paint, and a copper bathtub, so it is unfair, really, that Meghan and Harry are made to pay for all these essential renovations.

by Anonymousreply 19206/26/2020

This would never have happened if my dear Albert were still running the family.

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The Harkles are the poster illustration of how to make something out of nothing.

Neither one of them are experts in anything except how to milk status and fame.

If you wanted a celebrity lecture at a boardroom lunch or banker conference, Leo Dicaprio would be the way to go (he has a huge foundation dedicated to environmental causes), not a pair of Skim The Surface Bring In A Few Platitudes And Walk Out With The Check twats who between them have about an inch of depth and to whom no one would listen if they weren't adjacent British royals.

Dicaprio's Foundation, now partnering with the Earth Alliance, is the kind of thing the Harkles probably thought they could pull off but haven't got the money, drive, and brains to do. See below:

"The Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation is now part of Earth Alliance

A new philanthropic partnership dedicated to urgently addressing climate change and environmental threats to life on Earth. A new organization to help address the urgent threats to our planet’s life support systems, Earth Alliance marks the next step in the evolution of the Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation as it works to accelerate the rate of change and adoption of environmental solutions on a global scale.

Born out of the shared passion of its founding co-chairs: actor and activist Leonardo DiCaprio, businesswoman and philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs, and investor and philanthropist Brian Sheth – the Alliance seeks to bring together the best minds in science, conservation and philanthropy to urgently respond to a growing climate crisis and the staggering loss of biodiversity threatening the stability of life on Earth.

LDF, together with its Alliance partners Emerson Collective and Global Wildlife Conservation, will focus on addressing the intertwined threats of climate change and biodiversity loss through its global work to protect ecosystems and wildlife, ensure climate justice, support renewable energy, and secure indigenous rights to the benefit of all life on Earth."

This is how you do it.

These two whingers should be tied to their chairs and forced to read press releases like this and web sites like these before shooting their mouths off.

They're getting paid for being famous and nothing else. And the only reason they're famous is who he was born to and who she married.

by Anonymousreply 19406/27/2020

[quote]And the only reason they're famous is who he was born to and who she married.

Excuse me, hater, I was on "Suits"!

by Anonymousreply 19506/27/2020

Dear Rapey Uncle Pedrew.

by Anonymousreply 19606/27/2020

Thanks, r194. Another good example is Melinda Gates recent announcement. I can't find the link unfortunately, but I think she announced last week she was teaming up with another philanthropist and establishing a new project. Wish I could find it on the internet. Anyway, the point being is as r194 pointed out that the 'business model' the Harckles should be looking at. Only problem is that the Harckles don't qualify for admission to the tiny elite group of SJW or general like-minded "philanthropist" communities. These philanthropists have highly paid advisors to come with highly paid-sounding ideas and concepts that are researched, validated and integrated into other worthwhile initiatives. These initiatives are formulated by intelligent people, funded by wealthy people and managed in a transparent manner for the benefit of their intended causes.

This does not describe Harry and Meghan's ill-conceived and every-diminishing "philanthropic' profile.

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The Markles are now involved with a boycott of a private company (Facebook). The Queen will NOT be amused.

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What profile could they possibly have, R197? They have no money of their own to set one up and as you say, no concept or advisors to design something that isn't otherwise being addressed better by other organizations. Nor do they have any track record for successful philanthropy that would attract donors to contribute - if anything, just the opposite. It's been made clear that any attempt to profit from a so-called "charitable foundation" in such a way as to support their post-royal lifestyle by charging their living expenses as overhead would be a no-go, not just to the tax authorities but to potential donors as well.

A couple in their late 30's with a child, no home, no jobs, no workable plans, questionable judgement, terrible timing, a disastrous track record, not much in the way of financial or emotional resources, publicly and messily estranged in whole or part from their families and whose expenses are being underwritten by one parent don't strike me as the sort of people whose lives, let alone their foundation, have sufficient stability to inspire donors to go running for their checkbooks.

by Anonymousreply 19906/27/2020

R199 and E197 - As you both point out, at the moment there's no "there" there.

One crucial skill the Harkles have never exhibited is the ability to pick a lane and stay in it.

Their stock in trade seems to be complaints, lawsuits, threats, and leaks.

by Anonymousreply 20006/27/2020

"Meghan Markle desperate to fix Prince Harry’s coronavirus ‘cabin fever’"

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"“Harry’s biggest fear is not being there if his grandmother were to die,” adds a source in the book."

SHE'S 95! IT'S GONNA HAPPEN RELATIVELY SOON.

by Anonymousreply 20206/27/2020

Fergie and Meghs were and are married to their respective dukes when attempting shilling and merching. Fergie got away with it. Not Meghs. Racism.

by Anonymousreply 20306/27/2020

If either of these two had an actual skill, like Harry was a former athlete, awarded such and such, donated winnings to such and such but no, he just talks to rich people. About his dead mother . ME! the other toots, has no skills either. So what are people with money going to be paying money to people with no money, no skills, no life experience, and virtually nothing new to say?

by Anonymousreply 20406/27/2020

In 40 years, there will be movies about Charles' life, and they'll be very sympathetic towards him. Because he was bullied by his father for being sensitive and intellectual rather than athletic, he was bullied by his schoolmates for the same reason. (The schoolmates also bullied him because he was going to be the king.) He fell head over heals for a woman, but he wasn't allowed to marry her (because he was going to be the king). She gave up on him and married someone else. Then he was pressured by his father to marry another woman (because he was going to be the king), whom he didn't love, but maybe thought he could grow to love. The marriage turns into a nightmare, and he has to reconcile with the fact that it's partially his fault because he lied about his feelings from the beginning. He ends up having an affair with his old lover. She's willing to be his sidepiece and hide in the shadows while another woman gets all the rewards of being his wife. He gets a divorce. His ex-wife dies and the public goes ballistic at the loss. He marries his first lover.. His sons must have some resentfulness towards him at times. His brother becomes embroiled in one of the worst types of scandals imaginable. One son angrily walks away from his birthright. All of this...and in his 70s,he's still not the king yet. There's so much drama and irony there. He'll be portrayed as a very sympathetic character.

by Anonymousreply 20506/27/2020

r205, what do you mean in 40 years? He's already being portrayed in The Crown. Camilla Parker-Bowles featured heavily in one episode.

by Anonymousreply 20606/27/2020

Chaz got the Rona. The firm might have gone straight to Wills.

by Anonymousreply 20706/27/2020

And then, R207, where would Harry have been geographically and emotionally?

by Anonymousreply 20806/27/2020

R208 It would have left Hals completely fucked up, same as now in other words.

by Anonymousreply 20906/27/2020

Charles issues go far back in childhood: His father bullied him and his mother was absent, completely consumed by her duties as Queen. If it hadn't been for his grandmother's love and attention, he would have been even more fucked up than he was in his early years. He's always had issues with indecisiveness and low self-esteem, and that's his parents' fault. As someone said up thread, he wanted a woman not like his mother, but like his grandmother: jolly and mumsy but with enough backbone for two people (or more). That he wanted a younger version of his gran rather than his mum says volumes about his relationship with Elizabeth.

by Anonymousreply 21006/27/2020

Also, never forget that Camilla bears a striking resemblance to Mabel Anderson, Charles' beloved nanny.

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Kate also rather resembles William's former nanny Tiggy Legge-Bourke, and like Tiggy is sporty and uncomplicated.

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Yes, it's the nanny complex.

by Anonymousreply 21306/27/2020

Wow. That NY Post article is nothing short of brutal.

But... what can one say? Harry deserves his misery. He's earned it.

by Anonymousreply 21406/27/2020

Recently I saw an old newsreel of the Queen returning from an extensive working trip - more than a month away if I recall correctly She stepped out of the car and greeted 5 year old Charles with a hand shake.

by Anonymousreply 21506/27/2020

The cameras were on and that was correct protocol at the time, r215. This isn't The Waltons, in case you have yet to notice. This is British Monarchy, which has stood for roughly a thousand years.

by Anonymousreply 21606/27/2020

Keep telling yourself that, dear. The Queen was not a good mother to her young children.

by Anonymousreply 21706/27/2020

I don't know the Queen, so I have no idea what kind of mother she is, r217.

And neither do you.

by Anonymousreply 21806/27/2020

There is no point of measuring TQ’s parenting skills by the modern middle-class standard. Charles was born 70+ years ago and into an aristocratic family. Diana was supposed to be groundbreakingly hands-on with her children, and they were still shipped off to boarding schools. Kate is supposed to be groundbreakingly hands-on with hers, and she still has a live-in nanny.

by Anonymousreply 21906/28/2020

^I mean, Charles himself went to see Tosca and then swanned off to an environmental conference when his son was having a brain surgery. Talk about a good father.

by Anonymousreply 22006/28/2020

Why would you expect any of these people to have an ounce of humanity for their children? They are rich beyond normal people's imagination. They hire people to provide the love. Same with entertainers.

by Anonymousreply 22106/28/2020

Elizabeth was reportedly more hands-on with Andrew and Edward, and Andrew is still a nightmare. I just don't think she has much in the way of parenting instincts. Her lack of warmth would have been easier to take if Phillip hadn't been such a controlling bully with Charles. Charles, unlike Anne (who's basically a clone of Phillip), had his grandfather George VI's uncertainty and sensitivity. He needed understanding parenting and instead was sent to Gordonstoun.

The only thing that would have saved him early on is if he'd married a woman like his grandmother, but the marriage to Diana guaranteed disaster. They both had deprived childhoods and desperately wanted nurturing, and they were totally unable to nurture and support each other. His parents should have seen that and put a stop to the courtship rather than basically ordering Charles to marry her, but they were blinded by Diana's good looks and blue blood, coupled with their urgent desire to see Charles married and a father. Many of the scandals of the 90s can be laid right at HM and Phillip's door.

by Anonymousreply 22206/28/2020

Philip's lack of warmth also left Charles vulnerable to Dickie Mountbatten's manipulations. His great-uncle became a surrogate father to Charles, and it was Mountbatten who encouraged Charles to sow wild oats in the 70s instead of going ahead and proposing to Camilla, as he should have. Mountbatten did this because he wanted Charles single when Mountbatten's own granddaughter, Amanda, became old enough to court and marry. Of course, when Mountbatten was assassinated in 1979, that left Charles even more emotionally vulnerable, and he fell prey to teenage Diana's empathetic murmurs (which disappeared as soon as the engagement ring was on her finger).

by Anonymousreply 22306/28/2020

[quote]but they were blinded by Diana's good looks and blue blood, coupled with their urgent desire to see Charles married and a father.

I think there was a definite urgency there. Charles was 32 when he married. That doesn't sound bad today, but back then it seemed like he was never going to start a family (and continue the lineage). There was still very real fear that he would be like his great-uncle and ascend to the throne without a wife. His parents knew about Camilla Parker-Bowles and needed to stamp that out quickly. Diana, on paper, looked like a good catch. She had grown up around the Royal Family (had played with Andrew and Edward on occasion and had attended the annual Christmas party at Sandringham as a child), her grandmother was a Lady-in-Waiting to the Queen Mother and her brother-in-law had a job with the BRF.

by Anonymousreply 22406/28/2020

[quote]but they were blinded by Diana's good looks and blue blood, coupled with their urgent desire to see Charles married and a father.

I think there was a definite urgency there. Charles was 32 when he married. That doesn't sound bad today, but back then it seemed like he was never going to start a family (and continue the lineage). There was still very real fear that he would be like his great-uncle and ascend to the throne without a wife. His parents knew about Camilla Parker-Bowles and needed to stamp that out quickly. Diana, on paper, looked like a good catch. She had grown up around the Royal Family (had played with Andrew and Edward on occasion and had attended the annual Christmas party at Sandringham as a child), her grandmother was a Lady-in-Waiting to the Queen Mother and her brother-in-law had a job with the BRF.

by Anonymousreply 22506/28/2020

Can someone explain to me why many Sussex stans despise Carole Middleton so much? I get that they dislike Kate, due to the competitive nature of the relationship between the Duchesses. But wtf Carole? Does she even know Meghan that well?

The posters at C-bithcy in particular seem to believe she's the antichrist and hellbent on bringing Meghan down. Why they think this is not clear. They seem to feel she's behind most of the negative media stories re the Sussexes, and the main source for 'leaks' to royal reporters. For the life of me I'm scratching my head. They just devoted an entire post to this topic last week, with over a hundred posts.

Some of the comments were batshit, stating she's jealous of MM because she's a 'failure' at her own life - ?? Aren't the Middletons mostly self-made, from their business? Why would Carole care about the Sussexes, and how would she have the time to follow them, given she still has a business to run and a large family to oversee.

by Anonymousreply 22606/28/2020

[quote]Can someone explain to me why many Sussex stans despise Carole Middleton so much?

Just a guess. When William and Kate married, William really took to the Middletons. It is said he loved spending time with them and found them fun to be around. In essence, they were the family he never had.

I think the Sussex haters are mad because Harry doesn't have that same deal. Harry doesn't get invited to Summer backyard barbecues at the Middletons. They hate that Will and Kate are having a good time and Harry and Meghan are not.

by Anonymousreply 22706/28/2020

If Harry isn't invited to the barbecues, it's probably due to his own behavior. I'm sure the Middleton's wouldn't have turned down having another prince at their barbecues, but that sounds like the last place hard-partying singleton Harry would have wanted to be. Once he married, his wife's behavior towards Kate ensured that no new invitations would be forthcoming.

It's ironic that the Sussex stans hate William and Kate for just living their lives and doing their duty. Harry and Meghan could have done that too but chose not to.

by Anonymousreply 22806/28/2020

I don't think the Queen lacked warmth with her children, I think she lacked spine. She is notoriously shy of confrontation, and left the discipline to Philip, who was particularly harsh with Charles. Anne was really Philip's alter ego and she appears to have escaped unscathed. Edward was also something of a disappointment to Philip early on, but his stable, quiet marriage and dutiful bland work for the monarchy redeemed him later on. Edward is this generation's equivalent of the Duke of Gloucester, the middle brother in the 1930s, who married the shy but hardworking Princess Alice, daughter of the Duke of Buccleuch, one of the biggest landowners in Scotland. Andrew was probably more the son Philip envisioned, and we know how that turned out.

The Queen came to the throne at 25 with two young children. She's hoped for more years with the family before taking it all on, but it wasn't to be. That is, in my opinion, why she allowed the Cambridges, and especially Kate, to prioritise their young family over heavy schedules, which led to the charges of them being work-shy. Their work was secondary to founding the all-important close, stable family.

The Queen refused to interfere in her sister's life; refused to interfere in Charles' marriage until way too late in the day; refused to confront Harry about Meghan Markle's blatant unsuitability for the constraints of royal life; refused to reign Andrew is after spoiling him rotten.

I'd agree that she wasn't a great parent (few sovereigns are, Queen Margrethe of Denmark was also alleged to be a lousy mother), but I don't think it was lack of warmth. It was lack of courage, firmness - and time early on.

by Anonymousreply 22906/28/2020

It is quite interesting how the Queen messed it all up when by all accounts, her own parents were wonderful.

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Hilarious to see a bunch of presumably gay men, likely childless, nattering on about Her Majesty's parenting skills.

by Anonymousreply 23106/28/2020

R220 Who had the brain surgery?

by Anonymousreply 23206/28/2020

Wills, r232

by Anonymousreply 23306/28/2020

"Can someone explain to me why many Sussex stans despise Carole Middleton so much?"

On the topic of Mrs Middleton, many others, and most of what the Harkles do or don't do, the hatred they express represents their thinking: they are all batshit crazy.

by Anonymousreply 23406/28/2020

Why did Wills need brain surgery?

by Anonymousreply 23506/28/2020

[quote] I'm sure the Middleton's wouldn't have turned down having another prince at their barbecues

Why invite the spare when you have the heir?

by Anonymousreply 23606/28/2020

And they'll be signing with Cameo in short order, wedged in between Gilbert Gottfried and Perez Hilton...

by Anonymousreply 23706/28/2020

[quote]Why did Wills need brain surgery?

When he was little, some kid at school pushed him and he fell and hit his head.

by Anonymousreply 23806/28/2020

I wonder if Meghan has ever tried to get a chair on The View? Whoopi would probably smack her down.

by Anonymousreply 23906/28/2020

I don’t recall William getting brain surgery’s a kid. Only perhaps a concussion or a broken arm as a kid. But that was also when Charles and Diana were already living separately in private.

by Anonymousreply 24006/28/2020

Wills got hit by a golf club at school.

by Anonymousreply 24106/28/2020

Has Princess Anne had anything to say about Harkles that we know? Did she go their wedding?

by Anonymousreply 24206/28/2020

HM was caught between a rock and a hard place in regards to Charles' upbringing. She left the major parenting decisions to Philip as a way of giving Philip some control--she was head of state, but he was head of their family. If she'd interfered too much it would have put further strain on an already rocking time in their marriage, as Philip gave up his blossoming navy career to spend his life walking 3 steps behind his wife and Queen. They always knew it would be like that eventually, but nobody thought it would come just 5 years into their marriage. George VI was supposed to live a lot longer and give his daughter a lot more time to be a wife and mother. But it worked out this way, and Philip, not seeing how different his son's temperament was from his own, sent Charles to paramilitary Gordonstoun instead of arts-based Eton. He didn't want Charles at Eton because he thought the boy was soft and needed toughening up, and he thought there would be less toadying to Charles at Gordonstoun. He was right, but perhaps he didn't count on toadying being replaced by non-stop bullying.

by Anonymousreply 24306/28/2020

R232&R235,

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From r244's article:

[quote]As the boy was wheeled in for a CAT scan, Charles and Di “were walking behind his stretcher, reassuring him,” says eyewitness Sarah Prince, a 14-year-old schoolgirl.

Why was some girl, who should have been in school, hanging around a hospital ward? Did MI-5 do a background check on one "Sarah Prince"? Sounds like a made up name to me!

by Anonymousreply 24506/28/2020

Its possible Wills has a metal mesh in his head for the fractured skull. Mesh compared to plates, presents fewer issues as a young skull grows.

by Anonymousreply 24606/28/2020

In a recent article, Princess Anne said she never felt the need to reinvent the wheel, as have some of the younger royals.

by Anonymousreply 24706/28/2020

Link please R247.

by Anonymousreply 24806/28/2020

Here you go, R248.

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Only the Queen Mother, George VI himself, and his doctors knew how serious the King's cancer was. Royals always pack mourning clothes on extended tours just in case they have to return quickly and aren't seen arriving home in unseemly bright colours. That's why black is frowned upon for ordinary official events, and Remembrance Day. Not that Meghan Markle could have cared - after all, that's someone else's rather logical tradition. She only wanted the bennies, not the onerous duties.

In photos of George VI waving farewell to his daughter and Philip at the airfield, as they set out for Africa on that last tour, his face looks haunted. I think he knew, and the Queen knew, that Elizabeth might never see her father alive again. Whether how fragile his hold on life was was shared with his daughters, I don't know.

by Anonymousreply 25006/29/2020

"Can someone explain to me why many Sussex stans despise Carole Middleton so much?"

Many people, both fans and non-fans, see the Middletons (read Carole Middleton) for the "frauds" they probably are.

Please do not ask to explain because to get the whole picture one would need to write a book. In a nut shell, the dislike comes from the theory that Carole Middleton has used her daughter's marriage to the Future-Future King of the UK to advance her family's position in any way she could.

by Anonymousreply 25106/29/2020

And Meghan has used her marriage to the future King's son to advance herself in any way she can. Are they angry that the Middletons have played the game far better?

by Anonymousreply 25206/29/2020

[Quote]Whether how fragile his hold on life was was shared with his daughters, I don't know.

It's hard to imagine that his health status wasn't shared with the heir to the throne. Those were different times though.

by Anonymousreply 25306/29/2020

R253 - You're likely right, but with Elizabeth enjoying her time as a young wife and mother, perhaps they hoped to shield her for a bit. No one really knows. And sharing it with Elizabeth and not Margaret may have seemed unfair. Perhaps both daughters knew, can't say. But I have always read that even the cancer diagnosis wasn't shared publicly - he underwent a lung operation the previous year, which was pronounced a "success". Lung cancer in the 1950s was basically a death sentence, so the Queen at least must have known the end was a matter of time.

by Anonymousreply 25406/29/2020

It’s difficult to know, in retrospect, what even the King knew. Surgeons seldom told their patients the whole story of their diagnosis, seeking to spare them the details of what was then often a disease with a grimmer outlook than today.

by Anonymousreply 25506/29/2020

Back on topic, somehow we seem to have missed an excellent article in FORBES on the Harkles' rocky withdrawal from the BRF. It was dated 24 April 2020. Below is an excerpt:

"Self-Isolating In A Borrowed Mansion, Handing Down Yet Another Sussex-Royal Edict, And Suing The Press: Prince Harry’s And Meghan Markle’s Rough Debut In Los Angeles Guy Martin, Senior ContributorForbesLife

On the face of it, the Prince Harry's and Meghan Markle's necessarily stealthy move south 1200 miles from their former borrowed estate on Vancouver Island to their next borrowed estate in Malibu's Serra Retreat was a good move, if a little mistakenly rushed as a result of President Trump's mid-March Covid-19 "border closure." (The U.S.'s border closure does not apply to returning Americans, which, despite her marriage into Britain's royal family, Meghan Markle remains.)

But since the magic couple's arrival in Los Angeles, the odd, herky-jerky rhythm and carry of Ms. Markle's various professional and personal efforts, begun in January with the couple's disastrous, unannounced Instagram edict that they were retreating from royal life, has continued with a vengeance. Even the fondest Harry-and-Meghan observer could argue, as much of the British press routinely does, that the utterances, taken in context with the pair's movements, seem counterproductive at best.

But before we dip into the jolly timeline of those, it's important to note that the couple's months-long discovery period leading up to the London court dates for Ms. Markle's invasion-of-privacy and copyright-violation lawsuit against the Sunday edition of the leading UK tabloid Mail on Sunday, and the Sunday and Daily Mail's parent company, Associated Newspapers, has ended. The first hearing on the shape of the charges took place before a High Court judge in London on April 24. . . .[we know how that went] . . ."

Article then goes on to discuss the negative ramifications of the email the Sussexes sent to the four tabloids with whom they would "never ever again" engage with, in the negative terms that should have been obvious to the blinkered couple themselves. However, it's the last bit of the article that sums up the Harkles so perfectly:

". . . Unclear, also, is whether Meghan Markle or Harry consulted with, broached or even mentioned the April 19 email to Ms. Markle's London lawyers — it would have been wise to have done so, since the lawsuit is proceeding, and the email constitutes direct communication with the defendant in the matter. But one thing is clear: The couple's dissatisfaction is ongoing and, whatever its target, will not likely be dimmed. This aspect of its durability and power suggests that its target is greater and more intimate than the trappings and duties of royalty, or certain members of the British press.

It may just be that, no matter what sort of change they make happen, Harry and Meghan are dissatisfied with themselves."

by Anonymousreply 25606/29/2020

[quote] Still, though. If Meghan had just toughed it out in the UK until everything settled down: Being the first biracial British royal, particularly in the current cultural climate, was a fantastic niche that Kate never could have touched. As Della said above, Meghan could have carved out a unique position in contrast to Kate. Why Meghan didn't see that, we'll never know . . .

Thank You, r143. You captured better than I did exactly what I was trying to convey in my post at r98.

And even without the current, long over-due, racial reckoning, Markle had an opportunity to really be a singular presence within the BRF, if only they both could have gotten past their immature, myopic view of themselves and their position.

Don't get me wrong. It makes my hair stand on end contemplating the bigotry Markle had to endure. That's real. And I don't doubt that the cold, silent, blast of the chilly presence of William during the BRF's private, behind the scenes moments could not have been easy to endure.

That would have passed, however, and things settled down.

One day, and too late, they'll both know what QE II has known all along. That is that is, the Sussexes need the BRF more than the BRF need them. And I write this as believing that the BRF themselves knew that Meghan was the fresh breeze that they needed, and, as such wanted her to succeed.

by Anonymousreply 25706/29/2020

This is some kind of weird mental gymnastics. William is a bad guy, because he warned Harry against rushing into the marriage. But he was right. But he was WRONG, because you don’t tell your brother who is head over heels that it is going to end in tears even if you know it is going to end in tears. But Meghan could have had it all if she put up with it and then eventually William would have seen he was wrong. But he was right, because Meghan is incapable of putting up with anything for any length of time, and William was right about her all along. But he’s still a bad guy, because...

by Anonymousreply 25806/29/2020

You just don't get it. Life as the wife of the spare is very short on glamour compared to the glittering life MM imagined. There would be plenty of senior centres in the Midlands to open, Frogmore Cottage out in Windsor is far from opulent, your staff doesn't actually work for you but in fact for the palace, lots of dreary rules... Dealing with William at every official and family event, you'd feel like Cinderella. If she couldn't do it on her own terms, there was no point in sticking around.

by Anonymousreply 25906/29/2020

So, Della, you think the only reason William might be "chilly" to MM is bigotry (R257)?

I can list lots of reasons that have nothing to do with Sparkle's claim of victim hood and your claim of bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 26006/29/2020

William's chilliness has zero to do with bigotry (something Harry, btw, took no pains to avoid prior to meeting his future wife) and everything to do with Wills taking one look at MM and seeing that her behavior, not her melanin count, wasn't going to fly in that family.

by Anonymousreply 26106/29/2020

I don't think the reaction to MM was bigotry but more like seeing her as Wallis Simpson 2 and the feeling that "we've been here before and it didn't work so well the first time." And it seems that they are having to replay the Wallis Simpson charade again.

by Anonymousreply 26206/29/2020

Meghan would have seen more glitter if she hadn't fallen out with the Cambridges and the other royals early on. It's clear that big apartment at Kensington was first meant for the Sussexes, and there were all those rumors in the press about them being given York Cottage as a country place. Sure, there would also have been senior centers and whatnot, but there would also have been tiaras and royal tours, just as the Snowdons (another secondary couple) got to do back in the day.

As Della noted above, the problem was a lack of patience and a willingness to understand the very different course her life was taking. Like any good actress taking on a new role, she should have done her background reading. Biographies of Diana, Sarah Ferguson, Princess Margaret, the Queen herself, would have told her what life was like as a royal woman, and she should have paid particular attention to what it was like for the married-ins. If she'd made nice, Kate and Sophie could have told her everything she needed to know about sucking up and concentrating on the work. Did she think a 1000-year-old institution would change its rules for her? That was never going to happen. If she couldn't imagine herself becoming Windsorized, she should have kissed Harry good-bye and sent him on his way.

by Anonymousreply 26306/29/2020

*sucking IT up. Though sucking up wasn't a bad course of action, either. Not when there are titles, properties, and tiaras at stake.

by Anonymousreply 26406/29/2020

Yes, r263, Right on.

No, r260, I don't think William is bigoted about Markle's ancestry.

I do, however, think, based upon "the scarfing", that he just doesn't like her.

William strikes me as the kind of entitled, privileged, upper, hell, top crust, male who, when they don't like you, doesn't have to deign to be overt about it. A cold, distant ,silent mood around you will suffice to get the message across. That's what I surmise Markle dealt with around him and I don't care who you are, that type of treatment can be hell.

And r258, I stand by my previous post that William is to blame if his warning to Harry to slow down contributed to their fall-out.

Yes, any person, Royal or one who lives in a van down by the river, CAN warn an immediate family member or friend to slow down, and CAN be right about that, but whether you SHOULD say so, calls for weighing the risks versus the potential rewards, especially if you value the relationship with your family member or friend.

If you plan to open your yap, know that the listener doesn't hear "maybe you should take it slower" as offered in his best interest. That's not how it's received, especially if they're blindly in love.

They hear criticism. That's when the trouble starts. Hence the phrase "Unspoken words can't be regretted."

That why I maintain it best to keep your yap shut, ride it out silently, then be there for them when the inevitable break-up happens.

by Anonymousreply 26506/29/2020

I keep remembering a video clip of the 4 (William, Kate, Harry and Meghan) early on. Kate was pregnant, wearing a blue dress and the 4 of them were sitting on a stage, talking about one of the organizations they supported.

Kate started to say something and Meghan leaned over and interrupted her, talking over her. Kate looked startled and then looked down and let Meghan talk.

My response in seeing this was that Meghan was a Rude Bitch and didn't know and didn't care to know how to behave in public. Particularly since she was the newest one in that quartet and had a lot to learn.

As I said, this was very early on. Before the wedding.

And my take on Sparkle only grew to be more of the same.

One can only wonder how she behaved in private if she was so rude to Kate in such a public setting.

by Anonymousreply 26606/29/2020

^^ yes, a lot of that. Behavior that stops one in one's tracks because it is so audaciously vulgar. Its toxic in any social setting but amongst the Royals its intolerable.

by Anonymousreply 26706/29/2020

William was right, Harry did his typical tantrum behavior resulting in him leaving the BRF, and it's the firsr bit of peace they've both had in 35 years. What's the problem?

by Anonymousreply 26806/29/2020

Della, it is outrageous of you to assume that "chilly blast" from William against Poor Dear Meghan, and just assume that it had nothing to do with his immediate recognition of a bad choice on his brother's part.

Meghan wasn't a blank slate: do you think they didn't know she'd kept Harry and her father far apart? That she'd been on the hunt for a high-profile British man for some time? Seen her pretentious TIG "lifestyle" blog?

Meghan had opportunist written all over her. She radiated unsuitability for a position that called for subsuming the private self to the public self, holding back much of that private self, and she never once indicated that she knew she had a learning curve ahead of her. No, she was "going to hit the ground running", except she had the faintest fucking idea what sort of ground she was really on. Taking it slow, easing in, watching more experienced royals . . . but, oh wait: she was ALREADY planning the book, and she and Harry were already talking about how they'd leave as soon as Meghan, on the backs of UK taxpayers, got the global fame she needed to take with her as she slid out the door having done 18 months of "work".

Everyone screeched how Meghan would ace it because as an actress she was "used to scrutiny and red carpets" when, in fact, she'd had far less scrutiny than she'd have liked, because she was a two-bit, d-list actress of 35 who hadn't really been on many red carpets at all.

The brothers were close for a long time. It's a safe bet that an appalled William had already gotten wind that his brother had chosen a wife he could weaponise against the Windsors.

Meghan Markle was a hustler and too lousy an actress to hide it.

This had nothing to do with her (very light) skin. This had to do with who Meghan Markle is. Blaming this on William is to fall right into the lunacy pedalled on Celebitchy that William and Carol Middleton are a Satanic duo controlling the entire UK media because they don't like black people.

It's just nuts. Meghan was totally unsuited to royal life, had no desire to learn how to be, was in it for the short-term bennies, and it showed.

No wonder William hated her.

by Anonymousreply 26906/29/2020

R269, they must have shit themselves when they saw her suitcase girl pics with the exposed fake tits.

by Anonymousreply 27006/29/2020

*sigh* Have it your way, r269, but whether William had reasons to "hate" Markle is beside the point I made at r265.

The point is, when you voice anything other than support about an immediate family member's or friends choice, you are taking an unnecessary risk of alienating the relationship.

And, trust me here, "I told you so." is a hollow victory.

by Anonymousreply 27106/29/2020

"....alienating your relationship with that immediate family member or friend."

by Anonymousreply 27206/29/2020

r269, Seriously, Celebitchy stans are claiming Carole and husband are a satanic duo controlling the press because they're racist?

ROTFL!!!!

CB insanity never fails to amaze.

by Anonymousreply 27306/29/2020

I think William might have managed to restrain himself if Harry were marrying someone mildly unsuitable, like Cressida (yes, I know she never intended to marry him, but let’s say for the sake of argument that she did). William would probably have seen the trouble ahead, but figured that the worst that could happen was a divorce in a few years, not unlike his aunt or uncle had, and it wasn’t going to turn Harry’s life upside down. Meghan was a looming disaster from the start. LCC wrote in her book that when the press started checking MM’s background they were taken aback by all the negative info people who dealt with her in the past were willing to spill, and that they didn’t print it out of respect to Harry. William would have heard all of that and more. In other words, it’s different when you see someone is about to take a wrong exit on a highway, and when you see they are about to drive off a cliff. In the first case you can let them figure it out on their own, in the second you will try to warn them, even if you know they won’t listen.

by Anonymousreply 27406/29/2020

Two people, each with their own agenda.

Ginger wanted to send a big fuck you to his family, make sure they suffered and mightily for all of his perceived slights, discontent and bad treatment at their hands. Megs provided the perfect bludgeon for his purposes.

Megs sought the ultimate grift, a look-at-me loser whose constant compulsion to be the only star in the galaxy has driven her from bad to worse to appalling to deplorable. Ginger's back provided the perfect rung up the stellar ladder to her narcissistic fantasies.

Neither was interested in the roles assigned them by their families, the media or the public. Neither is interested in the roles they have assigned to one another. And in their futile search for yet another role of no interest, neither is yet aware that their mutual exploitation has reached its inevitable end.

by Anonymousreply 27506/29/2020

The published statements of MM's half-siblings were mindblowing. I get that they were brassed off at being excluded from the wedding, but the unequivocal descriptions they gave of MM's character were astonishing.

I'd love to know why Samantha is now eerily silent. Did they pay her off or threaten her life?

by Anonymousreply 27606/30/2020

Della, I am an older brother of a once feckless sister. It's not as easy as you suggest to figure out whether you should shrug and let the other sibling go off the cliff and maybe learn a thing or two, or to speak up. If you say nothing, you are complicit in some way. If you say something, you get your teeth kicked in. But the destruction done by the bad decision of the sibling remains the same.

What should William have done watching the younger brother he'd loved and felt protective of all his life? Shrug and say, Hey, on your head, bro?

Meghan Markle is a nasty piece of work and it showed. William had a wife and two children with a third on the way when Harry brought Meghan in, as well as an increasingly looming duty to the monarchy. What was he supposed to do?!

It was Meghan who set out alienate William and Kate as soon as she could. Her aim was, from the beginning, as most narcissists do, to separate Harry from his herd and make him completely dependent on her. Not only did she create the emotional distance, in the end she succeeded in created the physical distance AND cutting her son off from any meaningful relationship with his grandfather, uncle, aunt, and cousins. Absolute possession and control is the name of her game.

Meghan and Harry showed their hands very early in the game - the summer of 2018 was the first in his life that Harry didn't show up at Balmoral for a couple of days to visit the Queen the way almost every other member of the family does each year. There she was, the new bride, the newly minted HRH The Duchess of Sussex with all attendant courtesies thanks to the Queen, and the bitch didn't see the need to head up there to present her bona fides a couple of months later.

Don't lay this at William's feet. This was on Meghan and Harry from the start. Meghan is lucky the Queen went as light as she did, with all that bullshit in the public announcement about how Meghan remained much loved members of "my family", when in fact every last one of them probably wishes they'd never laid eyes on her.

Meghan came out of this with far more than she came in with. It's Harry who came out with the losses: his brother, his nephews and niece, his sister in law, his son becoming part of the fabric of his blood family . . .

Well, tough. Harry agreed to it, he and Archie will pay the price for it. But Meghan got exactly what she wanted: royal status without royal obligations, lots more money (at least, till Charles pulls the plug), and Harry all to herself.

by Anonymousreply 27706/30/2020

My understanding of Balmoral is that the Queen issues the invitation to come stay and it's unthinkable to decline. Maybe no invitation was forthcoming? Because if Harry turned it down, I think we would have read about it. It's possible that Harry and MM didn't want to go for some reason and let it be known to the courtiers so they could forestall an actual invite.

I can't think of a reason for them not to make an appearance though, seeings as how it rates very highly in the public's opinion. Diana found it extremely boring and refused to go after the initial trips.

by Anonymousreply 27806/30/2020

New angle from the Daily Fail: Kate warned Harry not to marry Meghan and Harry's increased spending caused the rift with William. There's always another story - true or not?

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by Anonymousreply 27906/30/2020

There's some good tea in the Royals At War -- specifics on money, including Doria's allowance etc.

by Anonymousreply 28006/30/2020

^^^ Details, details...

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by Anonymousreply 28106/30/2020

Maybe William is no racist, but you MM haters are.

by Anonymousreply 28206/30/2020

[quote]Doria's allowance

WTF ????

Excuse me, but an allowance for what and paid for by whom?

by Anonymousreply 28306/30/2020

Kate knows how to do one thing extremely well: keep her mouth shut and her thoughts to herself. She would never have stepped in front of William 's relationship with his brother like that.

As for Doria's allowance, that's also a fairy tale.

And as for reckless spending, they didn't spend anything the BRF didn't allow them to spend. Meghan's wardrobe was ridiculously high priced for her position as the wife of the sixth in line, but that dress allowance came from Charles. In fairness, she was starting from scratch whilst Kate had had years to build the foundation of a future Princess of Wales' wardrobe - to Kate's credit, she's still wearing clothes 10 years old thanks to that resilient figure she has.

The real reckless spending was sticking the UK taxpayer for the royal wedding and home renovations when both Harry and Meghan knew they were on their way out. Those expenses are undertaken with the understanding that they will be paid back to the nation through years of working for said nation.

They're both grifters.

by Anonymousreply 28406/30/2020

Meghan was not "starting from scratch." And she supposedly left much of her clothing behind in Canada in storage. As soon as she had Charles' checkbook she made a run for high end mostly foreign designer houses, likely to deliberately distance herself from Kate's way more sensible high street and British designer route. Very tacky, which is on brand for her.

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by Anonymousreply 28506/30/2020

"The published statements of MM's half-siblings were mindblowing."

R276 - Meghan's half-siblings and father are trash.

by Anonymousreply 28606/30/2020

The Markle family creed: Fuck shit up for a quick check. Neither Meghan, nor her father nor her siblings could play the long game. Meg couldn't play nice with the BRF, the Markles couldn't play nice with Meg.

by Anonymousreply 28706/30/2020

I doubt Kate (and Carole) would have been able to play her long game so well if she started where Meghan did.

by Anonymousreply 28806/30/2020

All that money on clothes and M still looks as if she shops in a New Jersey mall. I want to know the amount of Doria's monthly allowance. Such blatant grifting at every turn.

by Anonymousreply 28906/30/2020

R281, “a 12-week course of numerology readings costing $4515“? She’s irredeemable.

by Anonymousreply 29006/30/2020

Doria's allowance, PLUS security costs, British taxpayers.

by Anonymousreply 29106/30/2020

R288 they couldn't have played it much worse. One of the few things I'll give Meg credit for is not responding to her crazy relatives. As hilarious as that would've been, it was a no-win situation.

by Anonymousreply 29206/30/2020

R288, maybe but they're not really comparable situations. A divorced, biracial, tacky with an even trashier paternal family, 35+, American actress with a paper thin resume that included a silly game show would not have been allowed within 100 miles of the future king. (Remember Wallis and Edward didn't marry until after he abdicated, and she never got the HRH.) So a Kate starting where Meghan did would have been a nonstarter anyway.

by Anonymousreply 29306/30/2020

R293 I didn’t mean “started as a divorced actress”, I meant, imagine Kate having a start in life as a biracial daughter of a lighting director and a (what was Doria, make-up assistant?) in Hollywood. If Carole were black, would her entrepreneurial talent make her millions? If Uncle Gary were black, would his run-ins with the law let him walk away unscathed? Let’s say she would have grown up the same stable, sensible girl she is now. She’d probably have made a good suburban wife to a reasonably well-off guy from Northwestern (someone not unlike Meghan’s rumoured first husband). She’d never even come close to global fame (or infamy) and the BRF.

by Anonymousreply 29406/30/2020

R294, I don't get your point. Would Kate with the same background as Meghan have ended up with William? No, and neither would Meghan. With Harry? Not if she were the same sensible Kate because sensible people don't usually end up with an idiot like Harry. If alternate Kate and Carole were still as ambitious and conniving as they supposedly are/were though, sure, why not? And if Kate were both conniving/ambition and still sensible, she would have made the marriage/role with Harry work long enough to guarantee herself long term security. In your scenario, the only advantages the actual Meghan has over the theoretical Kate are being American and a mediocre acting career.

Remember, if Cressida Bonas or Chelsey Davy had wanted the worldwide fame and royal perks Meghan wants, one of them would have been the one to snag Harry. Meghan's biggest asset was her willingness to at least pretend to want the royal life because it actually was a step up for her. Harry whined repeatedly that being royal was getting in the way of his love life because for the women he was used to dating it was a negative. In short, Meghan's success entirely hinges on the fact that she really did need Harry to get what she wanted. Without that, why would she bother? And if she wasn't so thirsty, why would he bother?

by Anonymousreply 29506/30/2020

They want $1m for each speaking engagement. It's not unreasonable, given the overhead they have to bear (incl Doaria's allowance).

by Anonymousreply 29606/30/2020

If Harry wanted out so badly, I don't know why he didn't just marry Chelsy and get out. Her father could have supported them both in extreme luxury for the rest of their lives.

by Anonymousreply 29706/30/2020

The Harkles will bill $1M per speech just about the same day you will, R296.

by Anonymousreply 29806/30/2020

[quote] If she couldn't imagine herself becoming Windsorized, she should have kissed Harry good-bye and sent him on his way.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that ME! does not "love" Harry, never "loved" Harry - it was always a grab for money, a means for survival. She was rapidly aging out in the second or third tier cable entertainment industry and her options were closing in. The desperation is written all over her face in Jamaica. Poor Harry fell for it. No thinking on his part and that is why he is sitting somewhere in the hills of LA , in his rented mansion looking like he's been shunted from pillar to post, spouting inane edicts. The Harckle Show will never end. And that's all it is really right now, just a show. Someone, an adult in the room needs to unplug the computer, tell them to get jobs, and quit whining about the in-laws in England. In other words, Get A Life.

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by Anonymousreply 29906/30/2020

[quote]neither is yet aware that their mutual exploitation has reached its inevitable end.

Bingo!, r275. How much "winning" can Harry endure in the hot, isolating hills of LA? You can only spend so many hours on a computer exciting and enthralling the world with your worldliness and amazing charm then you're stuck with each other the rest of the time. To do what? Complain some more? Find new causes? Dream big dreams about ... a political future? Oh wait....

by Anonymousreply 30006/30/2020

What's his immigration status?

by Anonymousreply 30106/30/2020

Well if he still has his title and his HRH, r301, we know he hasn't taken American citizenship.

by Anonymousreply 30206/30/2020

[quote]What's his immigration status?

The UK has closed off all travel from America into the UK. So we're stuck with him for awhile.

by Anonymousreply 30306/30/2020

R297 that’s because Harry didn’t know that he wanted out before he met Meghan.

by Anonymousreply 30406/30/2020

Not true. Harry said he wanted out for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 30506/30/2020

[quote] How do you know they have nothing to say?

I for one know they must be deep thinkers, and I cannot wait to hear what they have to say about all manner of issues that discuss nightly: the Israeli-Palestinian crisis; the Renaissance; string theory; Proust...

by Anonymousreply 30606/30/2020

...color theory; their architectural influences; fashion and the beauty of fit; urban planning; stone landscaping...

by Anonymousreply 30706/30/2020

[quote] I for one know they must be deep thinkers, and I cannot wait to hear what they have to say about all manner of issues that discuss nightly

Like how Me-Again tried to upstage the York kid at her wedding?

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by Anonymousreply 30806/30/2020

R295 I meant that a lot of positive qualities that are attributed to Kate are not her own achievement but a result of being born into a close, stable, rich family. And for all her perfection, I’m sure her parents and especially her mother were instrumental in her ending up with William. Not even because they were conniving, but because they provided exactly what William wanted - a loving, secure, independently wealthy home. Kate’s part in the “long game” was minimal - basically, be who she was and do what Carole told her.

Meghan’s game up until the wedding was much more impressive, and I will always give her credit for that. With her background, to even get a date with a prince, let alone get him to marry her so soon - it’s a golddigger hall of fame material. And she did all that without help from her family - yes, she used her father for his money, and she used her mother when she needed her, but the strategy and connections she used to get Harry were her own. In a sense, it was even more impressive than if she got a billionaire because of the historical role of the BRF. Too bad she had zero appreciation for all that and her game fell apart right after the wedding.

by Anonymousreply 30906/30/2020

They better get a move on, they are heading towards 40 and to the younger generations will be considered old and out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 31006/30/2020

Why don’t these pieces of shit get a job at Dairy Queen?

by Anonymousreply 31106/30/2020

That sun headline at r308 is a classic: "Bride and Fume"

by Anonymousreply 31206/30/2020

Yes, MM has done well, quite by accident. She had her sights on a "rich, famous British man," and Ashley Cole was brought up for consideration. Bagging the son of the heir to the British throne would have been like unexpectedly finding a diamond ring at a charity shop. But I think she would have been happier and more successful as a WAG.

by Anonymousreply 31306/30/2020

I think Pippa has her dream role. All the money, a title, no restrictions.

by Anonymousreply 31406/30/2020

She's done brilliantly in bagging a Prince, but really, stunningly, terribly at everything else that has come with that prize. The scale of her fuckups have got to the point where they so many and so cringeworthy that she's even succeeded in making the prize look like an albatross.

by Anonymousreply 31506/30/2020

Also, the obscene spending hasn't helped her at all.

It makes it look like the vision of Megaintoinette of Wimbledon wasn't a one-off, but a mask-slip

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by Anonymousreply 31606/30/2020

Yes, the scale of her faux pas is staggering. Literature and film abound with stories of Cinderellas who rise to the challenges of their new station and shine in their new role, but chances are, the real Cinderella would have been hanging out in the palace kitchen with the scullery maids.

It's Murphy's Law - people rise to their level of incompetence. MM had a great life in Toronto. You see it in the photos. She looked pretty, well-groomed, and radiated confidence. Now, most of the time she looks like a disheveled wreck, nervously smiling for the camera when everyone around her looks serious. She should have stayed with the celebrity chef.

by Anonymousreply 31706/30/2020

r314 Pippa has no title.

Although she does have the FAR better life: money, loving family, gorgeous house, international connections enough to be able to do nearly anything she wants at any time, and a degree of privacy on top of it all.

by Anonymousreply 31806/30/2020

Pippa's husband is 10 yr older than her and far from dreamboat material. She would have preferred her ex-fiancé Alex Loudon, but his aristo mother poisoned the well after Kate's wedding, or her friend George Percy. She dated her husband years earlier, then moved on, and ultimately settled on him after other prospects dried up. He does have some obscure Scottish title. They are both very sporty, so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 31906/30/2020

I saw Pippa and her husband at dinner with a large group in Sloane Square about 8 years ago(?) and I could see that he basically worshipped her. I had no idea who this guy was but he was attentive to her in a very obvious way. I recognised his photo later on when they announced their engagement.

Also what I noticed during that dinner: she has a chin so pointy and protruding as to put one in mind of a Hapsburg, or a witch. Although she also looked pretty. And happy too. There is clearly something solid between them.

by Anonymousreply 32006/30/2020

Yeah his title is BS but its a title. But most of all $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and freedom. She can go on as many vacations as she wants and the Daily Mail commenters have no reason to complain

by Anonymousreply 32106/30/2020

I think Mr. Pippa's "title" is the kind you can buy in Scotland. Certain houses/lands are sold with the title of "Laird of..." attached to the deed.

I guarantee you that no one who acquires a 'title' that way goes around using it, EVER, unless they're a Russian or Middle Eastern oligarch. Everyone quietly laughs at those who do use their Scottish land titles.

by Anonymousreply 32206/30/2020

Meghan and Harry to "target" brands in support of boycott of Facebook advertisers in a 'bid to destroy hate-speech'

(.....'Hate speech' such as saying "I don't like Meghan and Harry", perhaps? Thought so.)

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by Anonymousreply 32307/01/2020

Just listened to a Royals-focused podcast of The Royals, and it sounds like Harry an Meghan made the best choice.

Will/Kate could have used them more so than not. They don't like to work. They haven't done enough, and their commitments are only going to increase. The monarchy is going to die out within a generation or two. Harry/Meghan actually got out with impeccable timing. Their decision will age well. People slagging them better enjoy their heyday, because it's going to end soon.

by Anonymousreply 32407/01/2020

You wish all that were true, Cinesnatch.

I know you do.

But it's not.

Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 32507/01/2020

*Hollywood Read not The Royals

by Anonymousreply 32607/01/2020

Beatrice might have been put to use, but now she is thinking of moving to Italy to escape the fallout from her father's scandal. A great choice, I think.

by Anonymousreply 32707/01/2020

Also worthy of mention, (I don't have the link sorry) Dimwit came out and said at one point "Give Trump a chance". I think ME's father might have been quoted somewhere repeating Dimwit's phrase.

by Anonymousreply 32807/01/2020

Great idea, r311. Harry can be a soda jerk.

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by Anonymousreply 32907/01/2020

Harry is beyond redemption, at this point.

by Anonymousreply 33007/01/2020

[quote]Pippa's husband is 10 yr older than her and far from dreamboat material.

This snapshot of the newlyweds always makes me laugh. His hair is sticking up like a cartoon character and makes him look even "weirder'.

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by Anonymousreply 33107/01/2020

R296 - I more realistic figure is $200,000.00. I do not know where the media came up with a $1,000,000 fee. The amount of the fee has never been confirmed. The amount of the fee is just made up BS by the British Tabloid Media to generate click$ for revenue.

by Anonymousreply 33207/01/2020

R300 - I do not think Harry has whined to the press since 31 March 2020. I the report of all this whining is just BS made up by the British Tabloid Media.

by Anonymousreply 33307/01/2020

Whatever, sugar r332.

The fact remains that they're never going to make enough to pay the British taxpayer back for their wedding or their unused house.

Which leaves them being rightly labelled as a drain on resources which otherwise might go to the NHS.

by Anonymousreply 33407/01/2020

r333. There are many other ways of expressing anger, resentment, even hostility than directly dealing with the press via interviews. His wife is a master at using surrogate "leakers", informants, etc.

by Anonymousreply 33507/01/2020

R334 - The Sussexes were never asked nor did they offer to pay back costs of their wedding. Where did you come up with this.

The British tabloids, lead by the commentariat, are demanding payback for costs of the wedding but no one else.

If I follow your line of reasoning thne Andrew should have to payback cost of his wedding because he is divorced, no longer a senior working royal and, more importantly, is also a criminal via embezzlement and sexual deviance.

by Anonymousreply 33607/01/2020

Meghan Markle is about to turn 39 this August. Let that sink in. She will be turning 40 next year. Just who are they aiming their messages at? They're middle -aged. Middle-aged folks normally have jobs, busy raising kids, and taking **responsibility"* and have a pretty idea of where they heading in life. I don't see any of those traits or attributes in this hapless couple. They behave more like disgruntled teenagers, running away from home, blaming the folks, blaming everybody else for their troubles and tribulations. If Dimwit doesn't end up having some sort of nervous breakdown, I'd be surprised.

by Anonymousreply 33707/01/2020

I think you'll find, r336, that the British taxpayer very much WANTS the 'Sussexes' to pay back what they stole, having taken many millions of pounds all while knowing from the beginning that they would leave the country.

Go into any taxpaying street in England and ask. They'll tell you.

Loudly, I imagine.

by Anonymousreply 33807/01/2020

R338 - Are you a British Taxpayer or do you just own the Deluxe Collector's Edition Box Set of Dalton Abbey and Brideshead Revisited?

How can you steal something that was given to you? QEII GAVE the Sussexes the wedding and QEII GAVE them Frogmore Cottage. If you have problems with money spent, then you need to go and talk with QEII

The Sussexes are paying rent on Frogmore Cottage therefore it is theirs. If the rent is paid then it is their business if they choose to reside there.

I am not a fan of the Sussexes but I am not a hater. The allegations and reasoning to justify such allegations, as put forth on this thread, do not stand up in the court of common sense, let alone a court of law.

There is a rumor on several Royal Gossip blogs that Meghan is pregnant again but who really knows.

by Anonymousreply 33907/01/2020

r339's posts are interesting:

Posts by ignored poster 1 Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons I think many people would like to listen to them just once to see what they had to say.

I hope they make a metric fuck-tonne of money.

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons R5 - How do you know they have nothing to say?

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons The Daily Mail will keep daily running stories on the Sussexes as long as the Daily Mail is in existence because these two generate more click$ for revenues with one story than all the other Daily Mail stories on the BRF combined.

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons R92 - How have the Sussexes proven themselves unstable? Examples please of instability.

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons R108 - I agree that all the things you listed are very bad judgement. However, I do not view any of those things as mental instability.

The whole "truth" on the Sussexes has not yet come out so I try not to make hard judgments based on the face value of tidbits published by the British Tabloids and so called "Royal Watchers" or "Royal Reporters".

"Copyrighting every word that contained "Sussex Royal" and thinking they could earn money off their royal name". This may have been done to prevent others from making money off "Sussex Royal". I have a friend who did a copy right for her business and she did the exact same thing even though she has no intention of selling T-shirts, pens or coffee mugs.

It should be noted that Buckingham Palace has an almost identical copyright and has had said copyright since Buckingham Palace was open to paying visitors. I think the Duchy of Cornwall also has a similar copyright to protect itself from exploitation. It appears to me you really dislike Meghan & Harry but I may be misinterpreting what you posted.

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons R110 - What you posted makes sense from all that the tabloids have published but I cannot say that I believe all that has been published by the tabloids.

With regards to "She decamped to the Clooney mansion for a while", do you have a link to a trustworthy source for this information. I have read this allegation many times but I have never seen it attributed to a trustworthy source.

If all that has been discussed here is true then I view it as extremely poor judgement. IMHO, poor judgement is not mental instability.

Example from my own life; My mother had very poor judgement and she was never satisfied with anything because she could never make up her mind. Her choices were made by default not in analyzing possible outcomes but she was in no way mentally unstable.

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons "Ghosting all family members."

by Anonymousreply 34007/01/2020

A second glimpse into the mind of r339:

R111 - I have ghosted a majority of my family members because they are despicable and trouble causing individuals.

One the best way to avoid to avoid trouble is to stay away from people who cause trouble.

With the exception of Meghan's mother, I do not think very highly of Meghan's immediate family . I myself would not want to be around these people.

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons R119 - You do not know what you are talking about in regards to Frogmore Cottage. Frogmore Cottage was scheduled for renovation BEFORE it was made available to the Sussexes.

Per Wikipedia:

In the early 21st century, the cottage was a series of five separate units housing Windsor estate workers. The cottage was in a derelict uninhabitable state for many years prior to 2018 and scheduled for renovation..

In 2019, the house was converted into a four-bedroom-and-nursery, single-family home, at a reported cost from the Sovereign Grant of £2.4 million. As a property of a Royal Palace of State and designated heritage site, Frogmore Cottage was always scheduled to be renovated, regardless of occupant, something also confirmed by the Keeper of the Privy Purse Michael Stevens.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex later announced they would repay Sovereign Grant expenditure, while it is to remain their family home. The couple, who in 2018 had their wedding reception at nearby Frogmore House, moved from Nottingham Cottage to Frogmore Cottage in 2019, before the birth of their first child, Archie Mountbatten-Windsor.

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons R127 - I do not think the Sussexes thumbed their noses at anyone or any house. The left the BRF and moved to California. Frogmore Cottage belongs the the Crown Estates. The 2.5 million in renovations stayed with the house. QEII can "give" Frogmore Cottage to anyone she chooses. Do you think Jack & Eugenie might want it?

Are you telling me that if my father buys me a house in Atlanta, Georgia that I have no right to give him back the keys and move to Miami, Florida or London, England?

Harry and Meghan’s next move: Signing with speaking agency that reps Obamas, Clintons R135 - If the Sussexes are paying rent on Frogmore Cottage to retain the right to occupy when in the UK, then what is the problem? I am not a big fan of the Sussexes but they are damned if they "do" and damned if they "don't"..

What is it that the Sussex haters really want the Sussexes to do? I have a hard time believing the haters want them back in the UK? If you do not want them in the USA or UK, where do you want them to live?

by Anonymousreply 34107/01/2020

What r315 and r316 said.

It's possible the Sussexes may turn it around, and yes, the pandemic shut-down affects all production opportunities, but still, I find the silence from their reported "A" List production partners such as Oprah, telling.

And r337 makes a pertinent point about the aging of the Sussexes. Once they mature, if they do, I won't be surprised if they don't look back over "the pond" and want back in.

And, I know it's silly to wonder about it, but still, but I can't help but be curious about what Michelle Obama, Harry and Meghan's "good friend" thinks about what the Sussexes have done, that is, assuming she even gives them a thought.

I speculate MO thinks they've screwed-up.

Finally, what r319 said about Pippa. After reading about her relationship with Loudon and, moreover, seeing his pic and how good-looking he is, when she married Middleton i knew she was on the rebound from hell Loudon.

by Anonymousreply 34207/01/2020

Pippa looked like she was pretty head over heels with Nico Jackson. Until he ran away to Switzerland. Now this is a "dreamboat."

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Della, President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama have far better things to do with their time than to get themselves mixed up with these two nightmares.

I'm sure the Obamas are very encouraging and nice on the phone to the Harkles, and I'm sure that M & H will be invited to the Obama anniversary party etc, but past that?

No gurl. No.

by Anonymousreply 34407/01/2020

[quote]And [R337] makes a pertinent point about the aging of the Sussexes. Once they mature, if they do, I won't be surprised if they don't look back over "the pond" and want back in.

By the time the Harkles are done with the U.S. and the U.S. is thoroughly done with the Harkles, Queen and Philip will be gone. Possibly Charles. That leaves William. Um...Hope the Harkles aren't expecting a Welcome Wagon at Heathrow.

by Anonymousreply 34507/01/2020

The UK may never accept even Harry back, at this point.

Two months ago I would have said they would, but now?

No.

The UK wants shut of Harry.

He's done.

by Anonymousreply 34607/01/2020

The US may be done with them sooner than they think. The “year-end” review is not going to go well for them if they get involved in politics/boycotts or anniversary parties that are fundraisers for a candidate or a party. They can kiss their HRH’s goodbye.

If the $ cease to flow westward, maybe they can start a GoFundMe to cover the costs of their itinerant lifestyle, because the U.K. (see Boris’s speech yesterday) is broke and planning to be broker. Royal support from whatever source, public or “private” isn’t going to go to an aging prince who deserted his country - it just won’t fly: you don’t work, you don’t get paid.

by Anonymousreply 34707/01/2020

Looks don't last: Money and kindness do. Even if he was Pippa's only choice at the time, she was better off marrying the wealthy man who worshipped her than aristocratic playboys who were just in it for sex and publicity. Even if some of those playboys had money and titles of their own.

by Anonymousreply 34807/01/2020

[quote] resilient figure she has

Anorexic figure.

by Anonymousreply 34907/01/2020

R340 & R341 - I think R339 has a great mind!

R339 never said the "entire" family was ghosted. Some people deserve and need to be ghosted being related by blood should have no relevance in the judgement process.

by Anonymousreply 35007/01/2020

A philanthropist publishes his or her net worth, they then state its too much and declare how much they will donate. Harry and Megs use a different approach but with your money..they thought that pearler up over dinner too... - DM Comment

by Anonymousreply 35107/01/2020

R316's article is the definitive version. I have linked it again here. Now I get it: Meghan did not understand that the BRF are, on a day to day basis, frugal. Meghs could accept every part of the royal lifestyle, however formal and stuffy, except the daily penny-pinching. Meghs did not get that at all: she thought she would be able to spend, spend, spend on a daily basis; she thought she was going to have access to $billions. When she was told to turn the second bar of the $50 electric fire OFF she snapped, claimed racism, claimed she was being controlled, claimed life in the BRF was stifling, sought to cash in on her HRH status so she could spend it. With her its all $$$: and that's all it is. She's the same with the paps: they need to pay for access, not just snap, snap, snap away. The narcissism is secondary; Hals and Arches are secondary. First comes MONEY. Financial independence for her means being able to spend without being accountable. Fortunately, Harry's $40m are kept by trustees.

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r352, Exactly.

by Anonymousreply 35307/01/2020

I can just imagine the eyerolls in the BRF when they heard about thousands spent on freaking numerology sessions.

by Anonymousreply 35407/01/2020

^ Meh, don't a lot of the royals buy into astrology and psychic readings and all that crap?

The eyerolls are for all the ostentatiousness. Of course the royals can live well, but they have to be discreet about showing it. The glitz and glam are for the special "tiara" occasions, but day to day is supposed to be about tradition, discretion, and their version of humility. Meghan (and Harry) want the reverse: to live well AND SHOW IT with the occasional acts of charity and duty peppered in. Her silly lifestyle blog said everything about what to expect: it was a pure facade of elegance by an outsider who badly wanted in.

by Anonymousreply 35507/01/2020

[quote] The royal family are a thrifty lot, with Princess Anne regularly re-wearing a slew of eye-popping outfits from the ’70s to this day and Prince Charles reportedly happily tucking into leftovers of an evening.

That's from R316's article. I can't find pics of Anne "re-wearing a slew of eye-popping outfits from the ’70s"? In the link she looks like she got out of La Cage aux Folles, but she was young then.

BTW, the leftovers Charles tucks into are the leftovers from the servant's hall, just like in Downton Abbey. Charles is happy to have something to eat - he is totally dependent, doesn't even know how to make a sandwich for himself.

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Nah, I don’t think so, R145. Her “performance” at the Commonwealth Day Service at Westminster Abbey in March. Pure viperish affectation.

by Anonymousreply 35707/01/2020

Didn't a DL poster post something last year (maybe) about Prince Charles commissioning some ridiculously expensive statue for Highgrove garden. The poster apparently met Charles (she may have sold him the statue). Anyway, her overall impression of Charles was that he was kind of "emotional" - there was allusion to gay mannerisms or overtones, but I can't recall exactly. It was a rather interesting post. Wish that poster was around to describe that meeting again. Anyway, there was no expense spare for the statue and her impression is yes, they are frugal but exceptionally lavish privately. They are very, very careful not to display overly excessive trappings of wealth. Which I can believe.

by Anonymousreply 35807/01/2020

That's how old money lives: frugal day-to-day, but not afraid to spend money on something they see as an investment. Charles adores Highgrove, and IIRC, that statue was a large and exquisite piece that would last forever. He doesn't spend tons of money on trivialities. Meghan, on the other hand, embodies the cliche of free-spending, flashy nouveau riche to the point of parody.

I know Fergie and Diana were into psychics and astrologers, but I've never heard of born-in royals buying into that sort of thing. It's one of the habits the Princess and the Duchess were ridiculed for in the press.

by Anonymousreply 35907/01/2020

Nice people do not have to throw dirt on others to make themselves look good.

by Anonymousreply 36007/01/2020

R356, Anne is known for recycling clothes for DECADES.

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by Anonymousreply 36107/01/2020

I am a British taxpayer.

You?

by Anonymousreply 36207/01/2020

Thanks R361. Not eye-popping (at least not my untrained eye - perhaps I was expecting something more outlandish, latter day Austin Powers) but interesting. She's kept her figure: good for her.

by Anonymousreply 36307/01/2020

Man, that’s some soulful eyes in R249.

by Anonymousreply 36407/01/2020

Anne's clothes are custom-made, still fit her well, and have that timeless Royal look (brightly colored but a bit dowdy). She's a countrywoman who doesn't give a damn about clothes: Why would she get new ones?

by Anonymousreply 36507/01/2020

Stories of the queen's meanness are legendary. She wants people to turn their sheets topside down before laundering, she goes around turning off lights, and got annoyed at the footmen taking nuts from the bowls places around the palace.

Yes, Nico Jackson was truly a mega-dreamboat.

by Anonymousreply 36607/01/2020

Link, r366?

Because unless you can prove that, I'll think you might have made that all up.

by Anonymousreply 36707/01/2020

I am a descendant of ex-British taxpayers, R362. Thank goodness they had the fortitude to come to Virginia 370 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 36807/01/2020

So, I take it from your comment that you do not now pay tax to HRMC, r368?

The same HMRC which funds Harry and Meghan?

Then perhaps you might want tot bow out of conversations being had by those of us who do pay HRMC, and who are nevertheless forced to pay some Californian lifestyles.

by Anonymousreply 36907/01/2020

R362 and R368, I still pay taxes in the UK and the US where I am paying off the 1m stimulus checks sent to dead people and cashed by deplorables who the IRS will never trace.

by Anonymousreply 37007/01/2020

The Future Happy Harkles

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by Anonymousreply 37107/01/2020

R371, wow, he looked so much like his great nephew, Charles.

by Anonymousreply 37207/01/2020

Stop lying, r370.

It's so obvious.

by Anonymousreply 37307/01/2020

Well, at least MM has a narrower nose that that AWFUL Wallace Simpson's!

Even if MM's was shaved... and her chin...

by Anonymousreply 37407/01/2020

In other news, Prince Charles ponders ending all subsidies to ME! and Harry.

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by Anonymousreply 37507/01/2020

The "Five Friends" who blabbed to People magazine are named but Meghan denies that she gave them permission to talk about her letter to Papa Markle. Yeah, ok so are they still your friends?

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by Anonymousreply 37607/01/2020

Britain should be grateful to Meghan for her lavish wedding.

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by Anonymousreply 37707/01/2020

Oh and I also get to pay for the repainting of Boris' jet and for the misappropriation by 45 on the campaign trail of Air Force One.

by Anonymousreply 37807/01/2020

R376, I read the article and was disappointed the names are being kept confidential.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how was she able to identify the five friends who spoke to People magazine...if she didn't authorize them to speak to People magazine?

by Anonymousreply 37907/01/2020

R376 - Jessica Mulroney definitely is no longer a friend.

by Anonymousreply 38007/01/2020

R377 - The BBC definitely made a profit off of the Sussex wedding.

by Anonymousreply 38107/01/2020

How do we know Anne’s clothes are from 40 years ago? Maybe she has the same tailor and just calls up and says send me another #15.

by Anonymousreply 38207/01/2020

R382 - Anne has admitted to never getting rid of anything because of the price she originally paid. Most of Anne's clothes are custom tailored bespoke made to her specifications per the article in the November 2020 edition of Vanity Fair and countless Royal books telling the same story. Anne has a pretty terrific body as she has always been athletic and very physically active.

The Daily Mail ran an article with series of photos spanning 35+ years of Anne re-wearing the outfit she wore to Chuck & Di weeding. I think this Daily Mail article ran about two years ago.

by Anonymousreply 38307/01/2020

It baffles the mind that 5 of her friends would speak to a global publication about her and NONE of them would pick up a phone and be like... "is this ok, girl?"

LIES.

by Anonymousreply 38407/01/2020

At the very least it makes you wonder why it's no biggie when her friends leak, but if anyone else does it's a betrayal.

by Anonymousreply 38507/01/2020

R384, maybe that week she got five phones from people who said, "Hey, People magazine called me up and asked me some questions about your relationship with your dad. I was bored, so I took a few minutes to chat with the reporter and answer their questions. I figured that you wouldn't mind if I put your personal business out there. When are you going to invite me back to the castle?"

Or...she knows who they were because after the article appeared, she called up everyone she knows and asked them, "Did you talk to People magazine about me?"

by Anonymousreply 38607/01/2020

Or maybe, R386, she told them all to talk to PEOPLE Magazine.

by Anonymousreply 38707/01/2020

As if there were a chance of People running that article without Meghan's approval.

by Anonymousreply 38807/01/2020

I would never talk to a global tabloid about a friend's personal life without checking in. And I can't believe 5 people would and none of them would pick up the phone to her.

by Anonymousreply 38907/01/2020

r386 Meghan contradicts herself on this point of inconsistency because she is a liar. A lying hypocrite who revels in a particular version of victimhood.

by Anonymousreply 39007/01/2020

DM headline has her claiming she "was not protect by the Institution" of the Royal Family during her pregnancy. This is the new "no one asked if I was o.k.".

by Anonymousreply 39107/01/2020

^^^ "protected"

by Anonymousreply 39207/01/2020

R152 - Good Lord. That clip is shocking.

Maybe they should have cast Harry as the lead in "Beautiful Boy" instead of Timothee Chalamet.

by Anonymousreply 39307/01/2020

Why didn't they protect MEEEEEE like they protected every other royal bride???

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My favorite line: In the legal documents, Meghan added that she “was also the founder of the commercially successful lifestyle website The Tig”.

by Anonymousreply 39507/01/2020

Markle should have stayed with "Suits", urged Harry to marry someone else, and that she would be his Everybody-Knows-It mistress.

Than, she'd at least be interesting.

by Anonymousreply 39607/01/2020

Then, she'd at least be interesting.

by Anonymousreply 39707/01/2020

The best part, R395, is that she has zero clue - nor care - how idiotic she makes herself look with that credit listed. In a dreadfully drafted complaint, much of which the judge rightly tossed.

Not her "haters" nor those mean, mean courtiers. Not her husband's family. Not the media outlets she won't speak to but will leak to. The jokes just write themselves and she does it all by herself.

by Anonymousreply 39807/01/2020

Nobody is on my side. Kate's staff forced me to yell at them. I didn't want to do it, but they literally forced me!

by Anonymousreply 39907/01/2020

Can anyone explain why she's talking about UK tourism revenues brought in by her wedding in a legal document for a case over a letter she wrote to her father about their relationship?

I'm beginning to wonder if she's not genuinely imbalanced.

by Anonymousreply 40007/01/2020

When does the actual court case get under way? And when does the ass kicking decision get handed down?

by Anonymousreply 40107/01/2020

This is the beginning of the end. I guess this is what their lecture tour will be like!

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In that Sun video:

"My wife said...." Bwhahahahahaha

And I love the finger action on "Now is the time..."

by Anonymousreply 40307/01/2020

It looks like a hostage video.

by Anonymousreply 40407/01/2020

At 33 seconds, he bows his head forward, and his hair looks much thicker on top. A few months ago, he had a bit of fluff in the front, and the top was pretty bare.

by Anonymousreply 40507/01/2020

Does Harry plan to continue with his menstrual cycle lecture topic that he introduced in England or will his US lecture circuit contain new and original content?

by Anonymousreply 40607/01/2020

Weird toupee. Or toupette.

by Anonymousreply 40707/01/2020

In 2018, Anne received a lot of attention for wearing this beautiful white and navy coat to Royal Ascot. She first wore it, again to Ascot, in 1980 and has worn it nine times over the years.

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by Anonymousreply 40807/01/2020

that video at r402 annoys me so much.

This scrote who thinks calling people Paki is fun lectures us on racism? I loathe him.

by Anonymousreply 40907/02/2020

I loved the dangling tendrils threads, there was so much fun and mockery .Now they have gone too far .I really hope America doesn't fall for their grift.

by Anonymousreply 41007/02/2020

The US is giving thr Harkles a lot of trouble R410. They are doing sporadic royal-type "engagements," the latest coming to the rescue of a woman who claims to have been lit on fire by some frat boys. However, it seems to have been another mentally ill hoax, so there probably won't be followup speeches on thar one.

by Anonymousreply 41107/02/2020

There is a thread open now on the new papers submitted by Meghan's solicitors.

If I've read them correctly, they make the same mistake the first ones did: bringing in as much mud as possible to sling but that have nothing, really, to do with the privacy issue at hand.

Whether or not the BRF "protected" her has nothing to do with her father's letter, which forms the basis of her suit against ANL (the parent company of the MoS). It is, in fact, just Meghan taking another pot shot at the family to whom she owes her title (which is still technically only a courtesy because she is an American citizen), her considerably enhanced lifestyle, her status, and her fame.

And she's doing this before an English judge in an English court.

I don't know about the outcome of the case, which seems less in Meghan's favour every time her solicitors open their mouths on her behalf, but in terms of the a relationship with the BRF, it seems all over but the shouting, and it will be interesting to see if the Queen finally acknowledges the handwriting on the wall at their "year-end review" and lets the bridges burn.

In the meantime, does her solicitor really think anyone in the Known Universe would believe that Meghan didn't have a hand in that PEOPLE Magazine article and helpfully prompt them to use the Letter To Dad - written in calligraphy and which even her idiot lapdog Omid Scobie casually observed was obviously written with future publication in mind?

by Anonymousreply 41207/02/2020

I've reached the point now where I find them both disgusting. All humour is gone..

by Anonymousreply 41307/02/2020

R413 - We feel exactly the same.

by Anonymousreply 41407/02/2020

[quote]I'm beginning to wonder if she's not genuinely imbalanced.

Well, she certainly had a tough go dressing herself for public appearances, r400.

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Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Thomas Markle took several big time payouts from the Daily Mail to go on record and talk about his daughter?

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Thomas Markle took a big time payout from the Daily Mail to set up fake pap shots acting like he was preparing for Meghan's wedding?

What kind of person would take money from the Daily Mail or any tabloid to sellout a family member?

by Anonymousreply 41607/02/2020

[quote]that video at [R402] annoys me so much. This scrote who thinks calling people Paki is fun lectures us on racism? I loathe him.

Agreed. So many things wrong with it.

"Unconscious bias must be acknowledged..." If it's unconscious, then how does a person know about it?

And what about the man who marries a half-black woman who is having all types of facial surgery NOT to look black?

by Anonymousreply 41707/02/2020

[quote] What kind of person would take money from the Daily Mail or any tabloid to sellout a family member?

One who, after he did everything for his daughter by raising her and sending her to good schools, turns around and sees her being a high riding bitch and ruining his reputation publicly. I'm not saying it's right, but I understand the feeling behind doing it.

by Anonymousreply 41807/02/2020

R418 - If a person wants to get their side of a story out, FINE! The person needs to go to respectable journalistic publication and spill their guts not sell info and tittle-tattle to tabloid to edit to fit their narrative of anything to generate comments and click bait for revenue.

I want the whole truth to come out. I do not think anything near the whole truth has been presented to date.

by Anonymousreply 41907/02/2020

[quote]The person needs to go to respectable journalistic publication and spill their guts not sell info and tittle-tattle to tabloid to edit to fit their narrative of anything to generate comments and click bait for revenue.

Do you think Thomas Markle is savvy in the finer points of public relations? He either sold to the first one that came knocking or to the highest bidder. My take is that he just wants to be left alone and remain out of the public spotlight, but his daughter keeps dragging him into shit.

by Anonymousreply 42007/02/2020

"The person needs to go to respectable journalistic publication."

Smell R419: dictating what someone they don't know must do. What he did was go to the same "journalistic publication" (whatever that is) his daughter had leaked to until her leaks were no longer being accepted by them without any scrutiny while using a photographer she'd worked with.

by Anonymousreply 42107/02/2020

R421 - This is the DL. The whole point of the DL is to dictate what someone they don't know must do.

The DL has always (and always will) make other people's business everybody's business. (I just read this statement on another thread and loved it!)

by Anonymousreply 42207/02/2020

R422 This is a gossip site. If you don't like what's discussed, don't come on here. It's that simple.

by Anonymousreply 42307/02/2020

I love that little manifesto R422! It needs to be in needlepoint, hanging over the mantle in the DL's 'good room.'

by Anonymousreply 42407/02/2020

R423 - I know this is a gossip site and that is why I come here. If you were not referring to me please accept my appology

R424 - Exact quote - "DL makes everyone's business OUR business!"

by Anonymousreply 42507/02/2020

R425 Well, I clearly cited your reply number.

by Anonymousreply 42607/02/2020

He is such an entitled prick. He needs to go spend a few months living on benefit in inner city Birmingham ( West Mids.), maybe then he would get a clue.

by Anonymousreply 42707/02/2020

Or Birmingham AL why not? Just as gritty.

by Anonymousreply 42807/02/2020

R427 - I think Bradford is more Harry's speed.

by Anonymousreply 42907/02/2020

Question: Why would a supposedly strong, independent feminist like Meghan need protection from the Royal Family? The tabloids are mean to you...suck it up, girl.

The press hounded teenage Diana BEFORE she married Charles as well as after, Fucked Up Fergie was called "Duchess of Pork" and even Kate was called Waity Katie for years and her family was raked over the coals. Why does she think she should get treated any differently than the white chicks who marry into the family? Does she think she's special.

by Anonymousreply 43007/02/2020

Does she think she's special?

Yes. She. Does.

by Anonymousreply 43107/02/2020

Well if MM is fair game, so is Kate.

by Anonymousreply 43207/02/2020

Kate has always been fair game. Hell, Kate was fair game back when Meghan was still opening suitcases and calling up tabloids begging them to cover her.

by Anonymousreply 43307/02/2020

Markle had "protection" -- she had press officers and a whole slew of people at BP to deal with the papers. Additionally, she chose to engage a US PR firm, Sunshine Sachs, and is now crying that she had no one looking out for her PR-wise. She makes no sense.

by Anonymousreply 43407/02/2020

It's all a game, r434. It's very obvious she had more, not less protection. Not just the physical protection and privacy, but also William writing that open letter in her favour. The female MP's writing an open letter on her behalf. The fact that she never, ever had to deal with the paps on her downtime until she left the protection of the BRF. There are, simply, NO photos of her in the wild except for ONE from the week she moved to the UK. Never again. Someone put a stop to the paps immediately. We can see from the lack of pap shots that she was FAR more protected as a fiance, and then as a wife, than Kate or Diana ever were.

Staff were bending so far over backwards for her that she and Harry lost FOUR staffers and one security person in under a single year. She abused them despite how accommodating they tried to be to her, and so working for her became too much ....for five separate staffers.

She was treated with kid gloves all the way. She's lying to try to get her stans to cancel the BRF.

I have news for her. Britain is not going to cancel the BRF on behalf of a vulgar, vain, tacky d-list actress just because she makes outrageous, easily disprovable claims about them.

by Anonymousreply 43507/02/2020

I'm still not clear on what protection she expected beyond the usual advice. Its a free country with a free press. They weren't kind to her but they weren't calling for a public lynching. so criminal charges are out. Suing on civil grounds has clearly not worked the last 30 times they've tried. So what else is there? Charles to lead the Sandringham hunt into the Mails offices? Philip to anchor a battleship across from the Daily Mirrors?

by Anonymousreply 43607/02/2020

Those pics with her holding her baby gut: repulsive. I have forgotten all that b/s. Let's hope she doesn't start again. But she will, because with her it's all about MONEY. It's just business for Meghs.

by Anonymousreply 43707/02/2020

I don't think we'll ever see her cradling a baby bump again, not after what Archie did to her figure. The only way I can see her chancing is if she can guarantee a girl--she'd LOVE to have Diana's granddaughter to show off and merch.

by Anonymousreply 43807/02/2020

When does Harry have to back to the UK (not the EU) for immigration? When he is away, Meghs will pull all sorts of extra mind-blowing crap.

by Anonymousreply 43907/02/2020

^go

I am so frightened when you're not here I need an extra £1m paid into my personal account for security.

by Anonymousreply 44007/02/2020

Think about it. Even adjusted for inflation, she's gotten or will get more $$$ than the Brinks job, the Great Train robbery and the Lufthansa heist at JFK combined.

by Anonymousreply 44107/02/2020

She certainly took Canadian taxpayers for a ride

by Anonymousreply 44207/02/2020

R441 You are right that her whole thing was getting. She has gotten. Her getting is ovah. She screwed up bigly.

R442 The Canucks avoided paying for this b/s.

by Anonymousreply 44307/02/2020

Canada dodged a bullet with ME! So glad she's gone forever.

by Anonymousreply 44407/03/2020

You think she's gone? She's not gone. she's coming BACK.

Evil is eternal, and encompassing.

by Anonymousreply 44507/03/2020

The royal press officers didn't defend Meghan because most of the stories were true.

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Harry! BRING ME THE AXE

by Anonymousreply 44707/03/2020

Wonder if ME! is missing Wimbledon.

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Harry and Meghan are officially shutting down their Sussex Royal charity.

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They know those titles are getting stripped and rightly so, disgusting pair of grifters

by Anonymousreply 45007/03/2020

Guessing BRF is pulling away support from ME! with the looming court case and fallout in the media yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 45107/03/2020

Yep. The Queen will leave them the figleaf of letting them spin it like it was a mutual agreement, but you know it's not.

by Anonymousreply 45207/03/2020

[quote]This includes the eco-tourism scheme 'Travalyst', led by The Duke of Sussex. The pair hope to focus their attention on the global initiative, which states on its website that it seeks to 'change the impact of travel'.

These two never learn. You want to set yourself up for major criticism? Be rich and try to tell those who are not about their carbon footprint when they travel. Why don't they just take on something less controversial like poverty or Africa.

by Anonymousreply 45307/03/2020

But then they would have to GO to Africa and see the POORS! You know Meghan hates that.

by Anonymousreply 45407/03/2020

They just lurch from one thing to another, don’t they.

by Anonymousreply 45507/03/2020

[quote]But then they would have to GO to Africa and see the POORS! You know Meghan hates that.

Meghan could set up a school like Oprah did. All she has to do is show up, cut the ribbon and then leave.

by Anonymousreply 45607/03/2020

Oprah paid for that school out of her deep, deep pockets. Even if Meghan had deep pockets instead of intermittent access to Charles' deep pockets, she wouldn't spend the money on African schoolchildren.

by Anonymousreply 45707/03/2020

Meghan would rather die than actually pay for another person.

Even if it were for our own Darfur Orphan, Meghan would clench up tighter than a clam.

by Anonymousreply 45807/03/2020

Maybe Harry should do hair growth commercials. Joan Rivers made $$$ off that.

by Anonymousreply 45907/03/2020

Must say I love that it's all being confirmed.

KP is not holding back!

by Anonymousreply 46007/03/2020

Are they not now obliged to adopt a black African child to keep themselves on the celebrity woke list?

by Anonymousreply 46107/03/2020

You mean like me?

by Anonymousreply 46207/03/2020

[quote]Are they not now obliged to adopt a black African child to keep themselves on the celebrity woke list?

You think Charles is going to pay for a second nanny? Camilla will put a stop to that expense!

by Anonymousreply 46307/03/2020

Meghan has spent her entire life sculpting her looks to seem as white as possible. She has only dated white men, married one of the whitest men on the planet, and produced a baby that is at least 75% white and looks entirely white. No way in hell will she adopt a black child. The only way she'll have another (white) child is if she can produce Diana's granddaughter OR if she very quickly catches a tech billionaire, dumps Harry, and produces the billionaire's blessed heir.

by Anonymousreply 46407/03/2020

And their timing, R453 through R456, means they can't even do that now: not much flying from here to Africa (or anywhere else) going on now and for the next six to eighteen months, depending on the length and depth of the worldwide recession that we're already in. There will cutbacks and higher taxes to pay for the costs of the pandemic and limits to gatherings. Travelyst will be dead and buried in a year.

What are they doing to help? Hiding in tacky, faux-luxe LA where they're making what appear to be hostage videos in their war against, well, everything. They're figures of fun by now, the worst possible thing to be when you need to be seen as credible. They're not. They're already seen as damaged goods. Not quite down to the level of PeeWee Herman after the masturbation arrest, but they're headed that way.

And as R446 said: The royal press officers didn't defend Meghan because most of the stories were true. Nobody has to invent bad things to say about her: she does it all by herself. MeAgain thought she was going back to LA in triumph. Instead, LA is seeing - at a moment when they have plenty of time to watch, starved as we all are for entertainment - how poorly the Markles have managed their move to "independence."

Who in a position to give them work or money thinks they'd be worth it? Nobody so far, it seems. They're halfway through their "yearlong review." Having read about Harry's histrionics and his father's concerns about his mental health, can he make it through the next six months with his family going one way and his wife another?

by Anonymousreply 46507/03/2020

Imagine the insipid discussions between these two as they plan their next moves.

by Anonymousreply 46607/03/2020

[quote]Imagine the insipid discussions between these two as they plan their next moves.

I don't think there are discussions. I think Meghan has all these crazy schemes and she is going down the list to see which ones stick. In Harry's hostage video the first thing we hear is "My wife said that more has to be done." She's calling all the shots and he's just the obedient servant. Harry is not a leader.

by Anonymousreply 46707/03/2020

[QUOTE] They're figures of fun by now,

They're also rapidly becoming figures of ridicule and contempt. If only, for eg, ME! had kept her mouth shut with regard to Mulroney debacle and just tweeted or whatever a sympathetic statement or nothing at all. Instead of disowning a person, a friendship. What's that expression, "When you're only tool is a hammer, everything is a nail." These two don't know strategy if it hit them in the face. Everything is reactive. People aren't stupid. People watch and read about this pair and their endless quibbling with elderly (nearly dead) senior royals, nitpicking and embarrassing Kate Middleton in the media, it is relentless. I think Harry is losing his sense of self, dignity, respect to be following this ME! character around the world trying to find wealthy benefactors to fund their ill-conceived causes. I foresee increasing desperation as pipe dream after pipe dream fizzles.

by Anonymousreply 46807/03/2020

I'll make sure that Ghislaine takes care of these two.

by Anonymousreply 46907/03/2020

Don't bother, r469 we're already on it!

by Anonymousreply 47007/03/2020

When the sex goes bad this will crash and burn.

by Anonymousreply 47107/03/2020

As soon as Meghan convinced Harry to leave the BRF, she was done. Not because it would be impossible for someone in her position to become wealthy and famous in her own right, but because it was impossible for HER to become wealthy and famous in her own right. Someone with the drive, cunning, and resourcefulness to parlay residual royal fame into something real and lasting would have either 1) not needed the BRF to begin with, as she'd have made it on her own as a Hollywood player, or 2) she'd have had the good sense to realize the enormous opportunities available to her as HRH Duchess of Sussex and carved out a unique and storied position as the first biracial working member of the BRF. The fact that Meghan couldn't make either of these scenarios work shows her for what she really is: A small-time grifter who had one huge stroke of good fortune and hadn't the slightest idea of what to do with it.

by Anonymousreply 47207/03/2020

When will the queen strip them of their titles?

by Anonymousreply 47307/03/2020

I think you may have hit the nail on the head there r472. There's no other rationale for the fiasco this has turned out to be. I'm the guilty party that started the Dangling Tendrils threads and I started it out of sheer fun, having a go at her horrible taste in fashion, day after day and day. She was such a gift to those threads. But what kept the DT threads going (can't recall the numbers #20?) was the disturbing realization that this character was not only flawed, but deeply flawed, a fake, an imposter, a poseur and she was thinking that she had everyone fooled. She did succeed in fooling a lot of people but gradually over time, the kinks appeared revealing the true nature. So, yeah, she lucked out at the beginning but at the end of the day is very unsophisticated for all her pretensions (Tig lol) and I think she realized this also and perhaps this is why she knew better to get out. What is fascinating is you now have these two vacuous social climbing, narcissists trying to present as altruistic types. They really need to quit while they're ahead.

by Anonymousreply 47407/03/2020

[quote] They really need to quit while they're ahead.

They are not ahead.

by Anonymousreply 47507/03/2020

What happened to Archewell?

by Anonymousreply 47607/03/2020

[quote]What happened to Archewell?

They probably discovered that there's a chain of nursing homes in New York with that same name.

by Anonymousreply 47707/03/2020

R3, that greed is good.

by Anonymousreply 47807/03/2020

DM headline says they are trademarking "Archewell" for tv and movie projects.

by Anonymousreply 47907/03/2020

[quote]The royal press officers didn't defend Meghan because most of the stories were true.

It wasn't because they wouldn't, it was because legally they couldn't. The stories were TRUE.

by Anonymousreply 48007/03/2020

[quote] It wasn't because they wouldn't, it was because legally they couldn't. The stories were TRUE.

She made them cry anyway. Then fired them.

by Anonymousreply 48107/03/2020

Being signed to the firm will mean the couple can gain a source of income as they branch out on their own.

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by Anonymousreply 48207/03/2020

"The couple could potentially earn hundreds of thousands per appearance"

From the link above.

They seem to be doing very well despite all the DL nay-sayers.

by Anonymousreply 48307/03/2020

Sure r483. If you say so.

by Anonymousreply 48407/03/2020

I think people like MM see average, untalented people like the Kardashians become very famous and making a huge amount of money and think if they did it, I can too.

by Anonymousreply 48507/03/2020

BP needs to set up a permanent Crisis Management Centre to deal will the wayward family and constant fall out.

by Anonymousreply 48607/04/2020

Their mental illnesses are deepening.

by Anonymousreply 48707/04/2020

to deal with...^^^^

by Anonymousreply 48807/04/2020

Don't want to confuse this thread with the Jizz Lane thread but I can't help but ponder how the Harkles are coping (on anxiety level scale 0-10) with the ever-deepening Andrew sex scandal engulfing the BRF, and the entire institution. This "scandal" is taking practically everything else off the front pages and will continue to do so for the next month or so. Hilarious to think how these two nits over in L.A can possibly counter the tsunami of bad press which is about to further engulf the royals.

by Anonymousreply 48907/04/2020

Looking at r482's article, once again it needs to be emphasized that Haz should not allow himself to be photographed from the back. That hair loss will turn off any future prospective wives.

by Anonymousreply 49007/04/2020

R499 The anxiety must be great that Barr will take Hals hostage until Andrew is delivered to his Manhattan death house.

by Anonymousreply 49107/04/2020

^489

by Anonymousreply 49207/04/2020

The difference between the P.A. scandal and the Harkle scandal is that P.A.'s scandal has been rumbling for two decades at least. This is the prince who openly dated porn star Koo Stark back in the eighties. The other problem is that of the recent accusations, the only victim to come forward re Andrew was of age in Britain. Everyone in Britain knows Andrew is a scumbag, and has known it for ages. This latest just seems par for the course, however disgusting.

The Harkle scandal is something entirely different. It's been more of an emotional rollercoaster for British observers, most of whom categorically adored Harry like a member of their own family and who were really happy for Megan when she got married. Everyone was excited for the new addition to the BRF, and then the behaviour began to raise eyebrows, and then the tacky baby shower really pulled the mask off, and from there I think people were just in a bit of shock at the two of them.

Now, with this bizarre lawsuit, ostensibly on privacy but in reality being used as a vehicle to attack the BRF and palace staff quite openly, people are disgusted with the Harkles in a way I think is only matched by the disgust felt for Wallace Simpson and David. In fact, it might surpass that disgust since David remained a popular king even after he abdicated. The sense of betrayal is palpable.

Also, the Harkles keep falsely maligning the entire UK as "racist" and insulting the entire populace as a way to excuse their leaving the BRF in order to be able to make bank. Even foul, disgusting Andrew has never done that. So while Andrew is reviled, the Harkles are now reviled, and loathed, and resented - all in in a quick two years. Additionally, at least Andrew has hidden himself from view, to the relief of many. By contrast, the Harkles won't go away, and keep putting their self-aggrandising PR puff pieces in the papers every day it seems. They are not even giving the public a chance to forgive and forget, and so they only keep sinking further in national estimation by the day.

It takes some doing to make yourself more reviled than a potential sex offender, but the Harkles have somehow managed it.

by Anonymousreply 49307/04/2020

[quote] adored Harry like a member of their own family

You adore your own family?

by Anonymousreply 49407/04/2020

Fair point, r494. How about "Adored Harry like a particularly beloved member of their own family." instead?

by Anonymousreply 49507/04/2020

Hal should concentrate on Invictus Games. He seems still to be the Patron.

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by Anonymousreply 49607/04/2020

Thanks for the take from the other side of the pond r493. Just out of curiosity, this level of animosity towards the Harkles, do you sense any of this anger, resentment "bleeding" towards the institution itself, the BRF for ostensibly permitting these shenangians (for lack of a better word) to go on unabated? I'm just wondering if there is a sense that the BRF is a "hopeless cause" at this point or are people more or less philosophical about it and seeing that it only applies to these characters. Just curious.

by Anonymousreply 49707/04/2020

[quote] people more or less philosophical about it

because the Queen is widely admired.

Also, there is no risk of a Trumplestiltskin stealing the show and upsetting half the country.

by Anonymousreply 49807/04/2020

Part 2 to my question at r497, even if the general public understands that the scandals are confined to a few "dissidents" in the BRF, is there not a sense of outrage that the Queen or Charles are not taking leadership in addressing these issues, nipping them in the bud before they explode like this. I don't know, I just get the sense that the lights are on but nobody's home kind of thing.

by Anonymousreply 49907/04/2020

The monarchy is a unifier. The Queen has her family and they are humans, accepted warts and all. But the firm sidelined Andrew and Harkles quite fast so the lights are on and someone is inside there: in fact if there were no one at home, the Queen would insist on all the lights being turned OFF; after all, she is said to use all postage stamps twice.

by Anonymousreply 50007/04/2020

There’s a new article in the daily mail about Jessica and Meghan. I won’t bother to link since it won’t work anyway. Here are some excerpts:

A mutual friend of the women said: 'Meg needs to be careful. Jess is the keeper of her secrets. She knows where all the bodies are buried and she does not forgive and forget public disavowals easily. She is said to be keeping a note of everyone who has come out for or against her.'

The pair were once incredibly close, having met in Toronto when Meghan was filming the legal TV drama Suits, which made her name.

Jessica's twin sons Brian and John, now nine, were pageboys at Meghan's wedding to Prince Harry in May 2018, with her daughter Ivy a flower girl.

Jessica helped Meghan choose her wedding dress and was reportedly made a godmother to 14-month-old Archie, although she could not attend last year's christening at Windsor Castle.

In turn, Meghan is Ivy's godmother. But last month, Meghan failed to get in touch on Ivy's seventh birthday, despite normally marking such celebrations with multiple presents.

The relationship appears to have cooled after Jessica became embroiled in a row with social-media influencer Sasha Exeter, who called for high-profile people to be more vocal in support of Black Lives Matter movement, which Jessica took to be a personal attack.

by Anonymousreply 50107/04/2020

The Daily Fail is foiling our attempts to link to their publication. Rather than liking, posters may like to provide the first part of the headline for others here to Google.

by Anonymousreply 50207/04/2020

Thanks r500. The British people are mighty tolerant I would think to rally around the BRF. I don't know I just feel Charles at the very least - he doesn't come across as a terribly strong, influential parent. It would take a book to explain Charles in all his permutations but he just doesn't seem to have a firm grip (not talking about power). Something doesn't add up in that family to see such dysfunction played out on an international stage like this. Something's not totally on an even keel here, I think.

by Anonymousreply 50307/04/2020

[quote] Jessica helped Meghan choose her wedding dress [/quote]

Well who could forgive THAT

by Anonymousreply 50407/04/2020

lol, You beat me to it!, r504.

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by Anonymousreply 50507/04/2020

There's not much the Queen can do about Harry and Meghan at this point except strip the titles. Which may happen at the one-year review. Of course, then they'll cry more racism and unfair treatment, but since they are going to do that anyway, HM and her advisors may as well pull the plug. Meghan and Harry will continue to embarrass themselves, but without the titles it will further separate their antics from the Firm's programs.

by Anonymousreply 50607/04/2020

If Meghan and Harry are not working Royals, then they should have their titles removed. It's that simple in my mind. Add to the mix that Meghan and Harry are openly hostile to the BRF, and and to the British public, with their unproven accusations of racism and marginalization. Meghan and Harry are essentially campaigning to have their titles removed in order to feed their 'woe be me, I'm so hard done by' resentfulness. They are setting this narrative.

by Anonymousreply 50707/04/2020

What amazes me is that the BRF and courtiers seem unable to "contain" the crisis internally. The BRF just cannot compete with ME! or won't compete with ME! so everything gets played out in the broader public arena. I guess that is what I am getting at. It's ok to have family squabbles, family run-ins and whatnot but you represent a country, a major cultural institution, you are living in a very, very dangerous and ever-evolving political and economic context, yet the BRF seems to live in another universe - can't seem to get in front of scandals and can't seem to contain them. Like Prince Andrew droning on and on forever about being "bewildered" about the FBI non responses to his requests to meet. A Comedy of Errors. Baffling.

by Anonymousreply 50807/04/2020

DM links not working is a DL problem, not a DM problem.

Among many workarounds are these:

1) Go to your settings and disable "link previews." The DM links will then work fine.

2) In the link preview, you can see the article title. Go to google, type in the article title followed by "daily mail." The top result will be a working link.

by Anonymousreply 50907/04/2020

To your questions re whether the Harkle scandal is causing the people to turn against the Queen/ BRF, r497 r499, I'd say, overall the answer is No.

When all these dramas started I think the initial response was "Why don't the BRF do something!?", and there has been an undercurrent of frustration over the course of the development of this scandal, but as the Harkles' mask has continued to slip, I think the populace are, as of now, far more understanding of the Queen's ultra-conservative, non-reactive approach here. At first I think people thought the BRF were behaving weakly, but as Meghan and Harry have become more and more bellicose while simultaneously tanking their own reputations, the hands-off one-year review policy is looking more and more like prescience and wisdom.

Especially with this last set of insults from Meghan surrounding the ridiculous court case, the public seem to realise that the couple are genuinely malicious and seem hellbent on doing damage in anyway they can, to any member of the BRF they can - even to Beatrice and Eugenie, who are regarded warmly as entirely harmless.

The Queen's approach is now appearing more and more like "enough rope" and it is increasingly respected by those who previously thought it was too indulgent. I still think the vast majority would like to see the couple stripped of their titles, but I think overall the Queen has come out of this looking wise and canny.

by Anonymousreply 51007/04/2020

Interesting, r510. I think there is so much goodwill towards the Queen that even if Andrew turned out to be an axe murderer on top of liking young girls, he'd still get a pass. I'm exaggerating of course but once the Queen is gone, will Charles command that same level of respect, deference, reverence to be able to surmount these types of scandals -that's the million dollar question.

by Anonymousreply 51107/04/2020

The question is, will Charles revive the itinerant monarchy, not seen for may centuries, in a modern-day format?

by Anonymousreply 51207/04/2020

Charles will be King, Defender of the Faith, and The Supreme Governor of the Church of England. As such he will deference and reverence. Respect he will have to earn, but I don't see why not, short of an very abbreviated reign.

by Anonymousreply 51307/04/2020

I agree in general, r511. Charles is definitely the weak link in the chain of respect, but don't forget that once Charles is King, the Prince of Wales will be Will, and because Charles is so retiring, Will and KAte will be far more centre stage.

They are both incredibly popular, and have been made even more so by Harry's apparent disloyalty to Queen and Country and by Meghan's attacks via obvious leaks to the media claiming unlikely things about both of them. Maybe Wills did cheat, but no one cares so long as they stay together, and absolutely no one in the entire country believes that Kate is the 'mean girl' Meghan's leaks attempt to portray.

Partially because of Harry and Meghan, Will and Kate have now risen to 'ultra-appreciated' status, which is unusual for such a (relatively) young Royal couple. Usually that kind of respect takes many more decades to earn.

So, with Will and Kate providing the supporting ballast for Charles, I think Charles will be on less shaky ground than he would have been had Harry not made the UK appreciate the upstanding members of the BRF to the huge extent that they do now.

by Anonymousreply 51407/04/2020

[quote]As such he will deference and reverence.

correction ...as such he will have deference and reverence ....

by Anonymousreply 51507/04/2020

Rolls eyes at R105.

by Anonymousreply 51607/04/2020

[quote] R503 The British people are mighty tolerant I would think to rally around the BRF.

Most people in the UK grew up hearing about the royals on a daily basis and regard them as distant family: the Queen holds a special place as matriarch and head of state; and now William and Kate are a thing; as for the rest, take your choice. In my view the only ones who matter anyway are the Queen, the Prince of Wales and Prince William as they have clear constitutional value; most people don't take such a precise view.

by Anonymousreply 51707/04/2020

I guess it's true "every cloud has a silver lining." Great news for Wills and Kate to have that level of public support, r514. A lot of pressure on Wills and Kate and their small family and the Harkles not making it any easier for the Cambridges. I just still cannot believe Harry turned out to be such a ......disappointment.

by Anonymousreply 51807/04/2020

Are you still nattering on about taxes, R378? Boring.

by Anonymousreply 51907/04/2020

The L.A. grifter and the petulant bitter Spare were the best things to happen to Wills and Kate. The Harkles made them look so dutiful, so loyal, and so staunch by comparison.

The Cambridges will be stepping up as the Queen fades and Charles ascends.

Meghan and Harry will be footnotes in 20 years. Wills and Kate will be or close to becoming the next King and Head of State and Queen Consort of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

And no amount of venomous lies Meghan Markle spews out of her veneered teeth will change one damned thing.

by Anonymousreply 52007/04/2020

[quote] I just still cannot believe Harry turned out to be such a ......disappointment.

Then you obviously only read the KP press releases and ignored the actual news reports. You always are what you always were.

by Anonymousreply 52107/04/2020

[quote] Wills and Kate will be or close to becoming the next King and Head of State and Queen Consort of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I doubt the Northern Ireland bit. With Brexit, NI is already slipping into the EU which will lead to a united Ireland.

by Anonymousreply 52207/04/2020

Australia, Canada and NZ are waiting for Liz to croak before they distance from Britain. Commonwealth is ending British monarch as its head after Charles. And we're yet to see the full impact of Brexit, though with B Johnson in charge................ *shudder*. A much diminished throne in a less deferential age, with a more diverse/divided populace is no big feat. Though some DL'ers still think it's 1950.

by Anonymousreply 52307/04/2020

The UK is breaking up before our eyes. NI will merge with the Republic of Ireland. Scotland will become independent and rejoin the EU. Wales, not sure: it is only a principality but at the very least they will become an autonomous part of the UK, consisting only of England and Wales. Then the UK's permanent seat on the UN Security Council will be taken away and given to ... Brussels. Ha-ha! Bravo Boris and his numbskulls.

by Anonymousreply 52407/04/2020

So everybody loves Liz so much, they're just waiting for her to die, right? I get that.

by Anonymousreply 52507/04/2020

They're certainly not sparing her in her old age, between the scheming Harkles and a lying Boris. Plus Brexit, plus the Rona, plus, plus, plus: the agony is being piled high.

by Anonymousreply 52607/04/2020

Canadian here, and I’m not aware of any strong republican movement in my Commonwealth country. Those of us with a brain recognize the genius of the British constitutional monarchy (even left-of-centrists like me) and have no desire for what we see to the south of us.

by Anonymousreply 52707/04/2020

Noted R527 but after his re-election Trump may think it as well to annex your vast country to allow Putin to exploit mineral rights there.

by Anonymousreply 52807/04/2020

r528, speechless, where to begin ....

by Anonymousreply 52907/04/2020

I expect that to happen one day, R528. Once the Americans have turned their own country into a toxic waste dump, they’ll be looking north to do the same to us. Of course they will. And there’s not much we can do about it, unless our NATO partners step in.

by Anonymousreply 53007/04/2020

Although I don't exactly agree with R105, I don't think waiting around for 10 years, all your 20s, for your reluctant bf to propose marriage bespeaks much dignity or self-esteem. Wills is not exactly a dreamboat. Kate had her goals, she took a gamble, and it paid off. Kudos to her for that. MM had an agenda too, but it turned out to be a trainwreck in slow motion.

by Anonymousreply 53107/04/2020

I don’t think the comparison is valid. It’s clear now that Kate wanted the job (and dating William in his twenties while he was still hot is not something to sneeze at). She couldn’t become Queen by marrying someone else, although if it didn’t work out with William, I have no doubt that she’d now be married just as well if not better and had quite comfortable life.

Meghan had no better option than to marry Harry and she was aging out of “hot girl number 2” roles, so she leapt at the chance to take the job as a member of the BRF.

But it’s also clear now that she had little understanding of what the job entailed - she didn’t realise that she would not have the same rank as Kate, or Camilla, or the Queen, or even Diana, and she didn’t realise that in the future she was going to be very briefly promoted (when TQ died, Charles became king, and before the Cambridge children were grown up), but after that her career would have a downward trajectory. Or she did realise it, but played dumb and decided to wing it once she has both her feet on the ground.

by Anonymousreply 53207/04/2020

If Kate and wills had broken up before getting married, she would have automatically become the Most Eligible Girl in London, would have married an aristo billionaire, and would have had a life far more enviable than she has now. None of the pressure, all of the perks.

They neither of them really ever dated anyone else for that entire decade they dated. Sounds boring to us, but they look happy now, almost 20 years after they first met. And they trust each other - that is clear. They are a team.

No controlled "Hostage videos" coming out of Kensington Palace in which one half of the relationship looks half-dead and ventriloquised by the other. On the contrary, they both seem like separate individuals who work well together and are having a good time together.

I know which of the two relationships I'd rather be in.

by Anonymousreply 533Last Sunday at 1:28 AM

[quote]They neither of them really ever dated anyone else for that entire decade they dated.

That's not true. They did separate for awhile and he did date other women.

by Anonymousreply 534Last Sunday at 1:46 AM

During the break, he was rumoured to have dated one other woman for two weeks and she was seen at a rollerskating party sitting on the lap of one other man, although no one claimed she dated him.

Pretty tame for a nine year courtship with one break of a few months.

by Anonymousreply 535Last Sunday at 1:51 AM

It's odd that Kate M waiting around, - and apparently being mocked as the limpet by Will's crew - was not a sign that she "didn't have better options." I mean, despite the history rewrite, the Middleton gals were not esteemed in high society, hence the nickname Wisteria sisters. Pippa getting the shaft from both Loudon & JJ Patterson, so had to settle for the lizard face hubby, with the dodgy father, after Nico Jackson left her in the lurch is nothing to be envious of. Nor were Kate's 2 exes exactly beating down her door for reconciliation, Willem Merx for one had longed moved on and considered her sweet, but not some great love/lust. And Wills only went back to Kate, cause Isabella/Jecca Craig were like "Nope". Meanwhile, it's Meghan who apparently only got with Harry because "she had no better options".

by Anonymousreply 536Last Sunday at 2:29 AM

522 - Even funnier, cause William's staff is jam packed with Brexiteers and Tory grandees, who no doubt share his politics. God help him, (and the rest of the BRF), if Labour comes to power and the Brexit reality becomes a shitshow.

by Anonymousreply 537Last Sunday at 2:37 AM

Settling with second or even third best from what you originally dreamed of can sometimes lead to a very happy life.

by Anonymousreply 538Last Sunday at 2:40 AM

r536 clearly has no idea how British 'society' works.

But never mind - I'm sure she's absolutely right and that Meghan must indeed be the BIG winner here....

by Anonymousreply 539Last Sunday at 2:51 AM

The Sparklestans better pray - and pray HARD - that neither Philip, or, God forbid, the Queen die while Harry is 'finding himself' in California.

I f you think the British public hate the Harkles now (and they do) just wait until then. When the British public hates, the world tends to follow rather quickly because British/Aus media comprise the only interesting reads out there.

It will mark the absolute end of any possible clout the Harkles have anywhere in the world. They will become Hollywood Poison.

If I were Harry I'd get 'home' soon and try to mend the few fences left. And do it visibly.

Otherwise, things are going to get even worse for these two.

Mark my words.

by Anonymousreply 540Last Sunday at 3:41 AM

Harry is in a precarious position - one tactless statement and he will get jettisoned just like the ‘best friend’ stylist did.

Then he really will have to crawl back to his family for help.

by Anonymousreply 541Last Sunday at 3:55 AM

Next up: "Hollywood did not do enough to protect us!"

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by Anonymousreply 542Last Sunday at 3:57 AM

R536, first of all, if we were to compare the options, William is in an entirely different league compared to Harry - Harry’s wife will never be Queen, and his son will never be King.

Second, if we were to compare the success of the two marriages: one couple met in uni, dated throughout their twenties, tried separating and got back together, tried living together before marrying, got married, had kids, are still together some twenty years after they first met, got along famously with the in-laws on both sides all the while, stable career, stable home life.

Another couple met on a blind date, had a whirlwind romance barely seeing each other let alone living together before announcing the engagement; got married less than two years after they first met; had a child about a year after being married; had a non-stop drama with the in-laws, alienating family members on both sides; dramatically quit jobs; no stable home; no stable income either but will definitely start earning millions any minute now. Not to mention the famous litigiousness of the second couple and the imminent Markle vs. Markle showdown in court.

Hm, I don’t know which couple is better suited, but I think I know which looks more promising in terms of longevity.

by Anonymousreply 543Last Sunday at 4:05 AM

Will never happen r530 lol. I take no delight in saying this. But the way things are going in the U.S., I see more of a collapse, a turning inward, a long, long slow, agonizing descent into (further) chaos. We're seeing it now. As Canada observes this, and the world as well, countries will be taking measures to protect, isolate, and distance from the U.S. The U.S. can barely manage building a prohibitively expensive border wall, doubtful they're into empire building or hegemony at this stage of the game with looming potential bankrupt country (unfunded liabilities), uncontrolled riots, etc etc etc. Unless! there is a political change at the top - then there may be hope.

by Anonymousreply 544Last Sunday at 4:20 AM

The Afro-Caribbean population of Britain is . . . 4%. The rest are about 11%. The country is still 80% white although you might not realize it in London and Birmingham. The monarchy still enjoys support that most heads of government don't.

More diverse, yes. Totally nonwhite, no. Changes to the monarchy over time? Yes - and quietly have been (note that due to the Queen and Parliament, Princess Charlotte now stands in line to the throne ahead of her younger brother).

Meghan Markle's and Harry's popularity in the UK has sunk by the tonne, whilst William's and Kate's and the Queen's have soared.

Counting the British monarchy out has always been a mug's game.

They thought it was all over after the Abdication in 1936,

They thought it was all over after Diana's death in 1997 and the Yorks' divorce . . .

And now they think it's all over because of Meghan Markle.

I'd keep my money in me pocket on betting against it in 20 years' time.

Wills and Kate are the upcoming stars of the monarchy and George, Charlotte, and Louis will be taking up the covers of magazines and news media.

Politicians go down, Parliament changes hands, film stars flame out . . .

The monarchy stands, peculiarly and bewilderingly.

What is more, Parliament is far from interested in doing away with it. It's quite useful to the government.

Certainly, the Sovereign can't put people's heads on pikes at the entrance to the Tower any longer. But they're still very rich, very influential, very famous, and in 15 years girls will be fighting to snag George the way they fought to snag Edward VIII, Charles, and William.

The Great Unwashed worship the Washed.

by Anonymousreply 545Last Sunday at 4:22 AM

Can everyone save the Trump chat for the Trump threads?

Some of us turn to these threads for a distraction from the American Disaster.

To say nothing of our own: Fucking Boris Johnson.

Just leave us this tiny corner of Pointless Bitchery, please.

Please.

by Anonymousreply 546Last Sunday at 4:24 AM

[quote]hence the nickname Wisteria sisters.

Is that really true r536? lol Never heard that one until today. Hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 547Last Sunday at 4:29 AM

"Wisteria sisters"

Yes, I've heard that. Old but never really popular meme that never caught on.

by Anonymousreply 548Last Sunday at 4:34 AM

Never caught on because Wisteria, while naturally beautiful and fragrant, also devours whatever it grows upon.

That's not the Middleton sisters.

That's Meghan (except for the naturally beautiful part).

by Anonymousreply 549Last Sunday at 4:38 AM

Couldn't agree more R546. The Trump disaster talk here has started to depress me.

by Anonymousreply 550Last Sunday at 4:41 AM

Their first 4th July. Marie-Claire has the scoop. After that success is inevitable (their next move).

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by Anonymousreply 551Last Sunday at 4:56 AM

AT this stage, ME! needs Baby No. 2 to continue any interest in her. She really has zero value anymore besides being Harry's wife, and then....even that status has such a negative meaning.

by Anonymousreply 552Last Sunday at 4:57 AM

AT this stage, ME! needs Baby No. 2 to continue any interest in her. She really has zero value anymore besides being Harry's wife, and then....even that status has such a negative meaning.

by Anonymousreply 553Last Sunday at 4:57 AM

The Corona pandemic really killed their momentum.

by Anonymousreply 554Last Sunday at 5:03 AM

Now baby shower no. 2 with Amal please

by Anonymousreply 555Last Sunday at 5:07 AM

Extra baby bump clutching please for no.2

by Anonymousreply 556Last Sunday at 5:08 AM

At least, r554, they have the excuse of the Corona Pandemic.

Imagine what they would have to say had they not had that blessed cover.

[Cancer? Miscarriage?]

by Anonymousreply 557Last Sunday at 5:09 AM

OK, fun is over - We need to pull back folks. We need to be more considerate of ME! Sunday Mirror reporting:

[bold]Prince Harry is feeling 'tormented by his fractured family ties' while Meghan Markle is 'struggling to cope' after the couple's move to Los Angeles, a source has claimed. .....But speaking to the Sunday Mirror, an insider said the royal couple are facing extreme tension with their new life, revealing: '[Meghan] has gone very quiet. I think she is likely to be feeling extremely low and probably struggling.'

by Anonymousreply 558Last Sunday at 5:13 AM

Link to DM article.

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by Anonymousreply 559Last Sunday at 5:14 AM

They are fools. Meghan didn't understand she would not be able to pawn the Crown Jewels or deplete the Duchy of Cornwall. Harry gave up a life in which people customarily listened to his b/s.

by Anonymousreply 560Last Sunday at 5:15 AM

Link R558 u must be new.

by Anonymousreply 561Last Sunday at 5:17 AM

Oh...my....

The shit is about to come down, children.

by Anonymousreply 562Last Sunday at 5:18 AM

Down and out in LA. She'll check into the Oprah Happy Clinic; he return to the UK having overstayed in the US; Doria will take in Archewell who becomes a star basketball player.

by Anonymousreply 563Last Sunday at 5:21 AM

Blind, r561? See r559.

by Anonymousreply 564Last Sunday at 5:22 AM

Where is the goddam Subday Mirror link dammit?

by Anonymousreply 565Last Sunday at 5:23 AM

R558 / R559 = Shitler

by Anonymousreply 566Last Sunday at 5:24 AM

The shade from R551's Marie-Claire story: "Even though Harry and Meghan are loving the quality time they've been spending with Archie, Nicholl says they're getting antsy to get back to work—especially now that they're working toward financial independence following their step back from royal work.

[bold]"They do need to make money,"[/bold] Nicholl explained. [bold]"They've been in L.A. since March, they left the royal family at the end of March, and as yet, they haven't actually earned anything."[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 567Last Sunday at 5:24 AM

Yeah that Nicholl bitch is really their friend.

by Anonymousreply 568Last Sunday at 5:26 AM

Sunday Mirror. lol

Headline: [BOLD]Meghan Markle 'WORRINGLY SILENT" and 'STRUGGLING TO COPE WITH NEW LA LIFE' - relative

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by Anonymousreply 569Last Sunday at 5:29 AM

Nicholl has been disproven so many times with her 'exclusives', it's a mystery she still has a platform. Loving how all that tabloids that the Sussex don't even fuck with continuously have varying insider/sources/onlooker stories on them. LOL

Surely next month, I mean next week it's almost certainly gonna be " Exclusive - Harry on suicide-watch"!!!

by Anonymousreply 570Last Sunday at 5:31 AM

From the Mirror link "the toll of leaving the Royal family," I thought she fucking hated it in the rascist cuntish BRF but obviously the separation has been a nightmare ... for her.

by Anonymousreply 571Last Sunday at 5:34 AM

Her NECK looks worringly old at r569.

Holy shit.

by Anonymousreply 572Last Sunday at 5:34 AM

What would it look like if Harry goes back to the UK? Would Meghan go with him? Time is running out for these two. The window of "Wow, that was really a dumb mistake and we've learned from it" is swiftly closing.

by Anonymousreply 573Last Sunday at 5:36 AM

She's really closing in on 50-with fillers-and-lifts isn't she?

The photo at r569 makes it suddenly clear.

by Anonymousreply 574Last Sunday at 5:39 AM

The article at R569 cites one of Meghan's relatives as the source. Apart from her mother, who would possibly know this information?

Unless they're on the brink of divorce, I have a hard time believing Meghan is silent and struggling.

by Anonymousreply 575Last Sunday at 5:41 AM

The Institution which is Hollywood is not protecting them. Meghan is coming to the grim realization that she is a witch, that everything she touches turns to ashes.

by Anonymousreply 576Last Sunday at 5:43 AM

[quote]If I were Harry I'd get 'home' soon and try to mend the few fences left. And do it visibly. Otherwise, things are going to get even worse for these two. Mark my words.

Following on r540 comments, for good or bad, I believe that door slammed shut I think a long time ago r573. Harry won't go back to London alone, he'll be dragging ME! and how will seeing ME! go over again - Round#2 - with Wills? Kate? and Anne? - if we're being truthful. The desperation (if Mirror tabloid) is to be believed is nothing more than a signal that ME! is Not A Happy Camper Today! They are exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 577Last Sunday at 5:46 AM

Hollywood would worship her if she were a successful witch.

But... she's not.

She's a failure.

by Anonymousreply 578Last Sunday at 5:47 AM

Success is inevitable.

by Anonymousreply 579Last Sunday at 5:49 AM

r577, ME! will never go back and neither will the kid. The kid is an insurance policy, so will stay by her side until he is at least 18.

But if Harry has the sense of a speck of dust, he will hightail it back there right now "for an administrative visit" during which he begs forgiveness.

If he doesn't have that basic sense, then he's forever lost, and forever hated.

by Anonymousreply 580Last Sunday at 5:51 AM

There is no prenup. She got him to LA. No basic sense R580.

by Anonymousreply 581Last Sunday at 5:56 AM

[quote]They have no discernible expertise. What kind of events would book them? Weddings?

You forgot "funerals" r44.

by Anonymousreply 582Last Sunday at 6:05 AM

Very basic sense on her part.

Almost Crustacean sense on her part.

On his part?

Well, who cares about him. He's in the process of being wiped out before our eyes.

So there's that.

by Anonymousreply 583Last Sunday at 6:06 AM

I'd love to be "struggling" right now in an $18M mansion (though it is hideous) with staff during COVID.

by Anonymousreply 584Last Sunday at 6:13 AM

How does Meghan "sign up" to produce an adaptation of a novel? Doesn't she have to have money? Where is it coming from?

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by Anonymousreply 585Last Sunday at 6:19 AM

Does she have experience as a producer much?

by Anonymousreply 586Last Sunday at 6:24 AM

Continue in part 2 in due course (linked).

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by Anonymousreply 587Last Sunday at 6:33 AM

From the Fail article at R585: "A source told The Sun: 'It would be a great screenplay and Meghan would have all the contacts to make it huge.

'It contains messages about democracy and standing up for what is right — which Meghan is all about.'"

by Anonymousreply 588Last Sunday at 6:39 AM

Also from the Fail: "But this is not the first time Meghan has tackled the White House, as she has previously called Donald Trump 'misogynistic'."

The author Lloyd Scott should think again about letting Meghz handle this. She will make him cry, then leak stories about him despite the NDAs, then sue him (she has brilliant lawyers in London).

by Anonymousreply 589Last Sunday at 6:47 AM

I read that Meghan played the old "say whatever you need to say to snag the guy" role in getting Harry, which is nothing new. Allegedly Harry really did want to settle in Africa. It was why it was so important to him to take Meghan to Botswana so early on in their relationship with a follow up trip relatively soon after their first one. It is/was the place he feels most at peace and his special place. He told Meghan that his dream was to leave palace life for Africa (not LA) and of course Meghan told him that it was her dream as well. They were always planning to leave the UK. Once they got married, Harry was still fully on board for African (remember all those rumors), but now that Meghan was pregnant, she changed her mind. It was not safe for her and the baby. This was apparently a huge source of disappointment to Harry.

by Anonymousreply 590Last Sunday at 8:00 AM

r590, I always thought them moving to the US was an interesting choice. They say they want to leave the BRF because they want the chance to make more money. So basically they are saying that people can't make money in the UK. They are trying to mix their money making with charitable good works. So they are saying that American citizens are more willing to part with their money than UK citizens?

My point is that everything they are currently trying to do in the US could have been done in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 591Last Sunday at 8:11 AM

If he follows his great uncle, then he deserves every thing he gets.

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by Anonymousreply 592Last Sunday at 8:23 AM

Good for you, R2527. It's smart to consider the pros and cons of rocking a boat.

Is the current situation broken? We all know the old saying

[quote] If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

by Anonymousreply 593Last Sunday at 8:42 AM

Does Harry have to give up his royal status to get American citizenship?

by Anonymousreply 594Last Sunday at 4:17 PM

Wait R594, he's not even a permanent resident yet. What is him immigration status?

by Anonymousreply 595Last Sunday at 4:19 PM

[quote]Does Harry have to give up his royal status to get American citizenship?

I think Liz already took care of that, didn't she? If he wants to leave the royal family, then she will pull all royal status and he'll be as common as Meghan.

by Anonymousreply 596Last Sunday at 4:22 PM

Liz has temporarily pulled his royal status. If she wants to do it permanently it will require Parliamentary approval but it has been centuries since Parliament has overruled a Sovereign on such matters.

by Anonymousreply 597Last Sunday at 4:50 PM

I see flying Ikea plates and flatware....

by Anonymousreply 598Last Sunday at 7:52 PM

I see flying Ikea plates and flatware....

by Anonymousreply 599Last Sunday at 7:52 PM

The Mail is reporting (that the Mirror is reporting) that "Harry is tormented over his fractured family ties" and that Meghan is "withdrawn and unusually silent"

Unusually silent? She just made a broadside attack on the BRF and her former palace staff using a copyright case as her bizarre vehicle for doing so. Hardly silent.

Wonder what Meghan's PR is attempting to do by planting this story? Get sympathy? Too late.

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