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Top Dem Pollster Says Elizabeth Warren Gives Joe Biden the Best Chance to Win

[QUOTE]Stan Greenberg urged Hillary Clinton to pick Elizabeth Warren as her Vice President. He thinks Clinton would be in the White House had she listened. Now he’s urging Joe Biden to do the same.

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by Anonymousreply 2128 hours ago

I agree. She has the national awareness and progressive ideas that he needs. Excuse me, that WE need.

by Anonymousreply 105/28/2020

I said this on another thread. I like Elizabeth Warren best but I can't help but wonder if the optics of a Biden-Harris ticket might be better. In other words, I don't think we just need a VP with estrogen. I think we need some color in there too.

by Anonymousreply 205/28/2020

Joe and Liz look good together, too.

by Anonymousreply 305/28/2020

I think Biden is going to select a VP who is not well known nationally, but has a lot of respect in her region.

by Anonymousreply 405/28/2020

That Dem pollster is wrong.

by Anonymousreply 505/28/2020

LOLOLOLOL. Hello, 4 more years of Trump in the White House!

They. Just. Don't. Get. It. Outside. Of. The. College. Campuses. And. Coastal. Metropolises.

by Anonymousreply 605/28/2020

Kamala does!

by Anonymousreply 705/28/2020

Explain yourself, R6.

by Anonymousreply 805/28/2020

R6 needs to get out more:

"Poll: Warren tops VP appeal for Dem voters in Michigan and Wisconsin"

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by Anonymousreply 905/28/2020

Hey R6, phony concern troll. Go suck Trump’s mushroom, why don’t ya!

by Anonymousreply 1005/28/2020

I'm in northern Wisconsin. Took a drive up and into Duluth a week ago. Trump signs everywhere. Didn't see a single one for Biden. Come see for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 1105/28/2020

She's great and she deserves it, but unfortunately she's probably not the best choice. It's not as if Massachusetts is in play while the Midwest is squarely for Biden.

by Anonymousreply 1205/28/2020

She’s old and a fabulist. Next.

by Anonymousreply 1305/28/2020

I sincerely doubt that. Warren is a slippery ex-Reagan supporter (during the AIDS crisis, but she lies about it now), and staunch Republican, and her ridiculous "Fauxcahontas" problem actually resonates with those outside the liberal bubble. She let Harvard call her a "woman of color" hire for a decade, back when she was a Republican. I'm thrilled to vote for Joe, but Warren is going to be a net negative.

by Anonymousreply 1405/28/2020

Looks like Amy Klobuchar is off the VP list.

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by Anonymousreply 1505/29/2020

Liz Warren stops my from voting....I just can't lol.

by Anonymousreply 1605/29/2020

All the trouble in Minnesota is not going to help Klobuchar

by Anonymousreply 1705/29/2020

So you would abstain from voting due to the VP on a ticket, R16? What has she done that’s so horrible?

by Anonymousreply 1805/29/2020

R15 lesson in politics. Don’t serve locally or in any position where you’re over police.

I LOVE Kamala and want to see her as AG because there is no way a white man & black woman will look good to Midwest and Southern hicks.

Biden & Warren are the perfect Mommy & Daddy.

by Anonymousreply 1905/29/2020

For R4 (from the article):

[QUOTE] Former President Barack Obama, who has been advising Biden on the choice, also thought it was very important to pick someone who had already gone through the rigors of the presidential campaign trail. “There’s not going to be a lot of time to adjust,” Obama said at the time, according to former adviser David Axelrod’s book, "Believer." “I’m afraid that if someone is experiencing this whole, crazy circus for the first time, it would be too much to ask.”

by Anonymousreply 2005/29/2020

If Barack and the VP team want someone who has already run for President, and Amy is now effectively eliminated, then it’s pretty much down to Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris at this point.

by Anonymousreply 2105/29/2020

I’m available!

by Anonymousreply 2205/29/2020

Warren is tooooo liberal for me. I don't want more taxes to pay for free things for everybody else. She has no other way to pay for her BIG liberal ideas which is why her campaign sunk so quickly.

by Anonymousreply 2305/29/2020

[quote]Explain yourself, [R6].

Please. Don't. Ask. That.

by Anonymousreply 2405/29/2020

[QUOTE] Warren is tooooo liberal for me. I don't want more taxes to pay for free things for everybody else. She has no other way to pay for her BIG liberal ideas which is why her campaign sunk so quickly.

Then don’t vote for her in the 2024 primary. She’s going to be the Vice President, for christ sake. Joe Biden will decide which of her ideas actually become apart of the agenda that he will try to pass with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

by Anonymousreply 2505/29/2020

Oooh sounds like we got a multi millionaire here. Her math checks out.

by Anonymousreply 2605/29/2020

[quote]Warren is tooooo liberal for me. I don't want more taxes to pay for free things for everybody else.

You're free to feel however you want to feel on the first part of this statement but ....

[quote]She has no other way to pay for her BIG liberal ideas which is why her campaign sunk so quickly.

You're wrong here. The one thing that woman did was plan the hell out of everything.

Sanders was the one who had a lot of big ideas and no way to pay for them. His presence also prevented her from getting all of the progressive vote.

She hung in there long enough to single-handedly take Bloomberg out (even if she should have been attacking Bernie) so you should be thanking her for that since Biden and Sanders were incapable.

by Anonymousreply 2705/29/2020

She's old, R13? He's older.

by Anonymousreply 2805/29/2020

[QUOTE] You're wrong here. The one thing that woman did was plan the hell out of everything.

She did not have a plan to pay for Medicare For All, R27.

by Anonymousreply 2905/30/2020

That will be an old ticket. From today's electoral-vote column:

"You should have seen the joke that (V) struck yesterday, which (Z) knew full well was just a little too sarcastic. Here's a hint: It involved an observation about one presidential ticket having a combined 150 years on the planet and the other one having a combined 150 points of IQ."

I think she's too liberal for some folks (independents) to vote for, and I agree Klobuchar will be struck off the list of contenders. I think Val Demings would be the best, Kamala 2nd best choice.

by Anonymousreply 3005/30/2020

[quote]If Barack and the VP team want someone who has already run for President, and Amy is now effectively eliminated, then it’s pretty much down to Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris at this point.

I agree it’s down to these three, R21. And they each have baggage.

But given the optics of the current race-riots taking place, I think he’ll have to pick a black woman, and that’s Kamala Harris.

by Anonymousreply 3105/30/2020

He should choose the mayor of Atlanta. She's appealing to a broad number of people.

by Anonymousreply 3205/30/2020

[quote]She did not have a plan to pay for Medicare For All

Actually she said her plan was to hire experts to do more research to find out what would work best for everyone, R29.

by Anonymousreply 3305/31/2020

I am impressed with the mayor of Atlanta but there is something to be said for the idea that the veep should be familiar with the rigours of a presidential campaign. I hope however she has a long career in US politics

by Anonymousreply 3405/31/2020

[quote] I think he’ll have to pick a black woman, and that’s Kamala Harris.

Former District Attorney Kamala Harris whose record was questionable? Current events put her out too.

Or as one article said:

[quote] She lost, in part, because she couldn’t forthrightly defend her record as a prosecutor. She couldn’t forthrightly defend that record because party activists deemed it insufficiently progressive. They portrayed her as complicit in the unjust incarceration and killing of black and Latino men.

The last thing people will want is someone previously affiliated with law enforcement who put black people in jail and openly called herself a "Top Cop." It's also part of the reason why even Warren pulled better numbers than her with black supporters when Kamala was running.

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by Anonymousreply 3505/31/2020

[quote]I am impressed with the mayor of Atlanta

She was said to be on Biden's shortlist before all this.

by Anonymousreply 3605/31/2020

I wonder if the data still holds, given how much has changed in the last week. The Politico story surprises me but the numbers are the numbers. I think there's a lot of good things about Warren, though I didn't want her as the nominee. She may be wasted in the sentence. If the black vote would get behind her, I could see the pick. My only concern is she tends to gild the lily.... reminds me of the story about Labour grandee Harriet Harman, who addressed a black crowd as "brothers and sisters" and was laughed at. It wouldn't be fatal or doom the campaign, but these days I think white people can be allies but they can't claim to be as one. It's disrespectful of the AA experience.

by Anonymousreply 3706/01/2020

I like Warren but after this week I don't think nominating a white leftist woman would fly. Social media is full of black protesters showing video and photos of white leftists jumping in, trying to make it all about income inequality and trying to sideline the concerns about police brutality. White people are shown causing trouble and even getting arrested for arsons that the media and many rightwingers were trying to blame black protesters for.

Also, remember that she said the DNC rigged the primary in 2016. She put out a cookbook called "Pow Wow Chow" based on her own belief she was Native. Those are things that will not go away, unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 3806/01/2020

[QUOTE] Also, remember that she said the DNC rigged the primary in 2016. She put out a cookbook called "Pow Wow Chow" based on her own belief she was Native. Those are things that will not go away, unfortunately.

Nobody will care about any of that, R38.

by Anonymousreply 39Last Saturday at 1:54 PM

I'll vote Biden if it's Harris or maybe anyone but Warren. I will not vote for, as someone said above, that fabulist.

by Anonymousreply 40Last Saturday at 2:00 PM

I'll just pull the Libertarian lever again.

by Anonymousreply 41Last Saturday at 2:01 PM

[QUOTE] I'll vote Biden if it's Harris or maybe anyone but Warren. I will not vote for, as someone said above, that fabulist.

Why do you like Kamala so much more, R40? Like she’s some sort of moderate?

by Anonymousreply 42Last Saturday at 2:05 PM

She's non-ideological at base. A politician. And her instincts are not to lie and not to suck up to the trendy miniscule voting base of trans activists.

by Anonymousreply 43Last Saturday at 2:08 PM

[quote] I said this on another thread

Same here. Warren is the only safe bet if he MUST choose a female running mate.

The others simply will not fly in a swing state. Not in the Midwest, not in the South. They'll just end up voting for Trump.

The naysayers have no clue, and they're just speaking on their own agendas. Nobody really cares what the Libertarian troll here thinks. You don't want to vote for Warren? Then don't vote for her. But millions of undecideds and independents WILL vote for her. And THEY are the ones who will decide the election. Not some Libertarian on the outskirts of American politics.s

As for how all the black social activists who are "all over social media" will react? Well, they will just have to live with it.

Politics is about winning. That's the whole point.

Biden needs to go with Warren NOW, so that he can address the social concerns LATER. Biden and Warren are THE two people who actually care about, and will address the social problems in this country. They have both been doing it for decades, in government.

Do you think that Harris will be worried about social problems for African Americans? Fuck no. She only cares about her career. And moving up the political ladder. She is an opportunist.

Don't mistake the color of a person's skin, for how much they actually care about you.

Vote Biden/Warren. You'll be glad you did.

by Anonymousreply 44Last Saturday at 2:15 PM

I don't think it will be Warren, too much Bernie Bro baggage. I just don't think it will be Warren. Joe Biden will pick Kamala Harris, a safe, centrist, black alternative to all that actual leftism. And honestly, as I posted before, I think Warren would hate the actual job. She has real skills, but being vice president in charge of bullshit and backslapping isn't one of them.

by Anonymousreply 45Last Saturday at 2:20 PM

I doubt it.

This election will be decided on how many moderate republicans Joe can get to vote for him and they're not that much into liz Warren.

by Anonymousreply 46Last Saturday at 2:21 PM

also, despite all the mooing and moaning, very, very few people vote for the vice president. They will vote for Biden or not, but they will not vote for his running mate. That just doesn't happen despite all the build up and the publicity.

by Anonymousreply 47Last Saturday at 2:22 PM

That "top pollster", OP, is clueless.

If you want Biden to lose, guaranteed, you pair him with Warren.

WHY THE FUCK DOES ANYONE THINK WARREN IS A GOOD IDEA?!? She's absolutely terrible.

by Anonymousreply 48Last Saturday at 2:25 PM

Well who’s your pick, R48?

by Anonymousreply 49Last Saturday at 2:26 PM

[quote] despite all the mooing and moaning, very, very few people vote for the vice president

Put a black woman on the ticket, and see what happens.

All people will SEE is the Vice-Presidential nominee.

I mean, seriously. How naive are you people, to think that race won't matter? It does matter. It WILL matter.

It's all Trump will talk about. It's all the media will talk about.

Choosing a black female will suck all the oxygen out of Biden's campaign. It will be the focus of both Trump AND the media, 24/7. His message will get lost in the frenzy, and Trump will gain the upper hand.

That won't happen with Elizabeth Warren. Trump has been attacking her for years. What more could he possibly say about her, that he hasn't said already.

Warren will be a good surrogate for Joe Biden. She will take a back seat, and she will help him get his message out.

This is so simple, yet people are making it SO complicated.

by Anonymousreply 50Last Saturday at 2:28 PM

no, sorry, it's Biden versus Trump. That is the matchup. Do you like the shit that has been happening for the past 4 years, or do you not? That is the contest.

by Anonymousreply 51Last Saturday at 2:30 PM

They do NOT look good together. This is what the world would see.

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by Anonymousreply 52Last Saturday at 2:32 PM

Harris or Rice or Duckworth would be fine.

Kamala is the obvious choice of those.

Warren? Two over-70 white people? How do you think that will go over? The base of the party is and has been black women... they do so much work, knocking on doors, working phone banks, raising money, providing support. They deserve a seat at the table. Warren would be a slap in the face to them, a grave insult... this over-privileged meemaw that appropriated a minority race when she felt it was to her benefit, but never once did ANYTHING to help racial minorities (or LGBT people for that matter) during most of her political life. She was a fucking Reagan Republican until the mid-90s for chrissakes. She spent the entire campaign appropriating other people's ideas without credit (including stealing several of Harris's ideas and plans). She would back stab Biden the entire time because she's proven she is NOT loyal. She spent way too much time dissing Hillary and Obama. She would NOT make a good team with Biden.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Saturday at 2:33 PM

Well, R51 has spoken.

Without any facts or decent argument, mind you. But R51 has spoken.

Let it be! Hallelujah!

by Anonymousreply 54Last Saturday at 2:33 PM

Warren couldn’t even place second in the Mass primary. Her primary run did her no favors with the national audience and her ludicrous pandering to fringe groups turned off a lot of centrist Dem voters.

by Anonymousreply 55Last Saturday at 2:35 PM

now you're getting it r54.

by Anonymousreply 56Last Saturday at 2:35 PM

Warren is certainly the most qualified and the smartest, but as we saw in 2016, America has issues with uppity women.

In fact, they didn't like the uppity black man we had for eight years, either. I don't say that as my words, but the fact that Americans are so virulently anti-intelligence.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Saturday at 2:36 PM

she doesn't even want the job. Honestly, I think Warren would say no. Kamala will leap at it, however, which is half the battle.

by Anonymousreply 58Last Saturday at 2:36 PM

She’s too old to be Biden’s running mate.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Saturday at 2:37 PM

[quote]Warren is certainly the most qualified and the smartest

She is neither. But she's the whitest. I guess that's your criteria.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Saturday at 2:37 PM

[quote] In fact, they didn't like the uppity black man we had for eight years, either.

Ah yes, that uppity black man twice elected in resounding victories by the American voters.

by Anonymousreply 61Last Saturday at 2:37 PM

[quote] Two over-70 white people? How do you think that will go over?

A million times better than Biden and a black woman will go over.

You people are truly not getting it. This is about MIDDLE AMERICA. This is about SWING STATES.

It doesn't matter how this plays in NY or CA or MASS. Why? Because they will go blue no matter what.

This is about Ohio. And Wisconsin. And Michigan. And Pennsylavania. And Florida.

And this year, Texas and Georgia and Arizona will be in play.

With Warren on the ticket, white people in these swing/purple/leaning red states will consider Biden, because they are comfortable with this older white man and older white woman. They are a "safe" pick.

The MOMENT that Biden puts a black woman on the ticket, then all bets are off. He will lose these voters in the swing states.

BLM, the protests, the pandemic, have all unsettled white America. They are looking for STABILITY.

Trump has not brought stability. He has brought chaos.

This is Biden's chance to take the temperature down, and go with the safe choice. Elizabeth Warren.

If he goes with a black woman, he will take the temperature up. He will add fuel to the fire.

You all can go on and on and on about how this will play with Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives, but none of that matters.

What matters is Biden appealing to the white people in states that Hillary lost in 2016.

Some Democrats really don't get it. They're just too blinded by their agenda.

by Anonymousreply 62Last Saturday at 2:39 PM

believe it or not r62, middle America does not hate all black people, even all black women. I know that there is this thing, this coastal thing that everyone is trapped in the 1950s west of the Mississippi, at least until you get to San Francisco, but it isn't actually a fact. Biden himself will appeal to a lot of suburban white people. His very put together black female running mate, you know, who used to put people in jail, won't be some catastrophe. I know you live in this world, but peek out of it occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Saturday at 2:42 PM

[quote]A million times better than Biden and a black woman will go over.

Nah, because you think Black people will turn out for this after getting lied to and cast aside and taken for granted?

They've lived with worse than Trump for generations. They'll sit back and let you suffer. And rightly so for being racist fuckwads who keep promising but NEVER GIVE THEM A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

You really don't get it. You really don't. You disrespect black people this time, and this country is over.

Warren is no "bridge to the future". She's the past. She's "Millie" from "The Color Purple". She's fucking Karren.

The level of tone-deafness it takes to suggest Warren would be a good VP pick is off the fucking charts. It proves you're willfully blind to everything she's done over the last several years.

by Anonymousreply 64Last Saturday at 2:42 PM

[QUOTE] Warren couldn’t even place second in the Mass primary. Her primary run did her no favors with the national audience and her ludicrous pandering to fringe groups turned off a lot of centrist Dem voters.

And how did Kamala Harris do, R55? Oh that’s right, she had to drop out before one vote was cast.

by Anonymousreply 65Last Saturday at 2:43 PM

The bitch lied about being a Native. White liberals, minorities like me don't forget! Warren needs to crawl back under the bushes from where she came from.

To be honest, all the typical female choices (Kamala, Adams, Warren, etc.) are all weak ass choices. They are all unlikable and won't help Biden one bit.

The Democratic party is run by morons. They needed someone new and fresh to reinvigorate the election.

by Anonymousreply 66Last Saturday at 2:43 PM

and Hillary's problem, at least here in Wisconsin, was that black people didn't turn out to vote for her in Milwaukee, like they'd turned out to vote for Obama.

by Anonymousreply 67Last Saturday at 2:44 PM

and which novice who never ran in an election would that be, r66? Or do you just have some mythical person, grown in your own personal lab, in mind?

by Anonymousreply 68Last Saturday at 2:45 PM

I find it hilarious when people say Kamala is "unlikable".

More racist sexist tropes. ANY woman who strives to achieve better is "unlikable". Women are only "likable" when they "know their place", right?

Hillary Clinton was hugely liked as Secretary of State (a position given to her by a man), with approvals in the 60s (routinely higher than Obama's), but the moment she ran for higher office, her "likability" was questioned and her approval ratings nosedived.

The misogyny is stiffling.

by Anonymousreply 69Last Saturday at 2:46 PM

[quote]and Hillary's problem, at least here in Wisconsin, was that black people didn't turn out to vote for her in Milwaukee, like they'd turned out to vote for Obama.

R67 CONVENIENTLY forgets about the unprecidented GOP voter suppression in the wake of the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and the take-over of Wisconsin by the GOP. Or their onerous & racist voter ID law.

But sure, blame Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Saturday at 2:47 PM

[quote] Warren is no "bridge to the future". She's the past. She's "Millie" from "The Color Purple".

That's absolute utter bullshit and nonsense. You have the intelligence of a flea if you seriously find this argument compelling. Sounds like woke Edwina nonsense.

Warren would be something desperately needed - a reformer - but unless things are dire, voters rarely embrace a reformer. As long as the system is still benefiting them, it's hard to get them to agree to dive into change. And while I think we are at a point of severe dysfunction, much of "Middle America" still thinks the huge cultural changes we've had are somehow temporary, and will vote for inertia.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Saturday at 2:49 PM

it's not about blaming Hillary, it's a fact of political life, r70. Black people that jumped through a ton of hoops to vote for Obama didn't jump through more hoops to vote for Hillary. There was a huge falloff. The black vote is actually key for Democrats, here in "ever racist" middle America.

by Anonymousreply 72Last Saturday at 2:50 PM

Elizabeth Warren for VP. This means progressive will work their asses off to get her in the WH, w/joe biden. An united ticket is the most powerful. We went with joe biden because AA wanted him as president.

After they announce the VP pick, all the dems united behind the ticket and will campaign for him.

Listen to what the progressives are saying and pick Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren already has BLM Activists. They supported her for President.

by Anonymousreply 73Last Saturday at 2:50 PM

It's not Warren, and again, I don't think she even wants the job. And I think she would hate it.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Saturday at 2:51 PM

Actually R73 I don’t really hear any progressive noise for Warren. They’ve forgotten about her and now they’re pushing Karen Bass.

by Anonymousreply 75Last Saturday at 2:52 PM

[quote] believe it or not R62, middle America does not hate all black people, even all black women

Don't put words into my mouth R63, because that's not what I said.

I said that white people are going to vote for the person they're comfortable with.

In this year, especially. They need someone SAFE.

In another year, if things were more normal, if there wasn't a global pandemic, if millions of people were not losing their jobs, if protestors and tear gas were not lighting American streets on fire, then a black woman would be a fantastic choice for a VP pick. Or maybe even a Presidential nominee.

But NOT. THIS. YEAR.

This year - and this is my personal opinion - white people are looking to vote for someone they are comfortable with, and yes I will come right out and say it: another white person.

Now I've stated on another thread that Joe Biden would have had a slam dunk with Tim Ryan from Ohio, or Conor Lamb from Pennsylvania. But he boxed himself in with his big mouth, saying that he WILL choose a female running mate. Now he's stuck with that, or he's a liar.

So given the female running mate choices, it has to be Warren. For all the reasons I have already discussed.

NOT because Americans hate black women, but because that's just not what they want or need in this particular election cycle.

by Anonymousreply 76Last Saturday at 2:53 PM

That Dem Polster is tone deaf.

by Anonymousreply 77Last Saturday at 2:53 PM

And that is why they will vote for Joe Biden, r76. They will see safety. Honestly, if Kamala or Liz Warren or for that matter Mayor Pete had won the nomination, this would be the conversation, but they didn't. And I think the Midwest in general will vote for ole uncle Joe, and having a black running mate will not terrify them into voting for the shittiest president in American history.

by Anonymousreply 78Last Saturday at 2:55 PM

I love the Bernie/Liz wing of the party trying to get their chosen ones in one way or another. I mean, if I supported them I'd do the same, I guess. Bernie and Warren were soundly rejected by the Democratic electorate, and they will have no greater success with the general public (which is to the right, not the left, of Dem voters). Warren couldn't even win Massachusetts, and that's after Pete and Amy dropped out. Bernie's fame equals that of Biden and yet he barely won a few states and his support was about 1/2 the support he had in 2016. No Bernie wing VP on the ticket.

by Anonymousreply 79Last Saturday at 2:57 PM

He backed up his assertions with polling data, R77.

[QUOTE] Greenberg also argues that there isn't evidence that someone like Harris would obviously increase African American turnout more than Warren would.

[QUOTE]"If you look at the African American vote in the primaries, they weren't supporting Harris," he said. "She never developed the base in the African American community against Biden." The POLITICO/Morning Consult/ survey also showed Warren polling better among black and Hispanic voters than any other contender on the question of whether her selection would make them more likely to vote for Biden.

by Anonymousreply 80Last Saturday at 2:58 PM

I've always hoped he would pick her. She's got balls of steel and isn't afraid of any of the republican scumbags one iota.

by Anonymousreply 81Last Saturday at 2:58 PM

[quote] The misogyny is stiffling.

Then take it up with the American people.

White American women, in particular.

Because they voted for Donald Trump in big numbers. FORTY SEVEN PERCENT of white women voted for Trump in 2016. 47%.

So stop blaming men, and African Americans, and minorities for Hillary losing.

Because white women bear a huge responsibility for that.

From the linked NYT November 9, 2016 article:

[quote] The data indicate how deeply divided Americans are by race and gender: 94 percent of black women who voted and 68 percent of Hispanic or Latino female voters chose Hillary Clinton, but 53 percent of all white female voters picked Mr. Trump.

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by Anonymousreply 82Last Saturday at 2:59 PM

People who state they are well connected are saying it's going to be Kamala Harris. Californians will elect another Democratic Senator. So no loss in the Senate.

Obama Advisor (a white boy) implied it may be Elizabeth Warren. Because Joe Biden (cough Obama) wants someone who can deal with the economy and pandemic on day one. Obama really respects Elizabeth Warren.

Susan Rice will obviously be a prominent cabinet member. Her expertise is National Security. If she is the Sec of defense she could overseas the massive DOD budget and realign to pandemic response. Which definitely has to happen.

by Anonymousreply 83Last Saturday at 3:03 PM

[quote] "If you look at the African American vote in the primaries, they weren't supporting Harris," he said. "She never developed the base in the African American community against Biden."

Thank you, R80! And they wouldn't vote for Cory Booker, either.

In fact, Cory was complaining about this during the election, particularly when Harris dropped out.

Bottom line: African Americans did not support the black candidates for President.

Ask yourselves, why not? That's why Harris shouldn't be made out to be this dream running mate.

She has REAL problems, and black voters saw right through her.

by Anonymousreply 84Last Saturday at 3:03 PM

everyone should respect Elizabeth Warren r83, and that should be her job. Vice President is a different job, it's basically President in Waiting. I want to see Warren running some big agency or some big Department, or just put in charge of solving some big problem, using all her amazing skills. As a job, Vice President still kind of sucks, actually.

by Anonymousreply 85Last Saturday at 3:06 PM

[QUOTE] People who state they are well connected are saying it's going to be Kamala Harris. Californians will elect another Democratic Senator. So no loss in the Senate.

No loss in the senate with Warren, either. The Massachusetts legislature can easily change the law to prevent Baker from appointing a Republican representative.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Saturday at 3:07 PM

People who keep saying a black female VP won't be a good choice, keep forgetting that a black male democrat won the biggest public vote count in US history - not only once but TWICE!

by Anonymousreply 87Last Saturday at 3:11 PM

Elizabeth Warren has the progressives. People who will work their asses off to get her elected. The energy behind Warren would be powerful. Plus, she is qualified to be in the white house. We have very serious problems.

Also, Elizabeth Warren will be endorsed by BLM. They already supported her in the primary.

by Anonymousreply 88Last Saturday at 3:12 PM

yup, r87. I think there is still this weird fear, oh white people outside of New York and California just can't deal with black people. I think that's a myth, and we need to shatter it.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Saturday at 3:13 PM

Dear R87.

Kamala Harris, Susan Rice, and Karen Bass are not Barack Obama.

Not even close.

by Anonymousreply 90Last Saturday at 3:13 PM

r88, why would BLM NOT work hard for a black vice president? Why?

by Anonymousreply 91Last Saturday at 3:14 PM

are you a bot? are you proud resister, or proud socialist, or proud whatever these days?

by Anonymousreply 92Last Saturday at 3:15 PM

But Obama worked his ass off to get elected twice. He is an remarkable public speaker and campaigner. He has depth political instincts. Thank God, he is calling the shots on the campaign. We need him.

by Anonymousreply 93Last Saturday at 3:15 PM

[quote] why would BLM NOT work hard for a black vice president? Why?

Why Why Why don't you go and ask THEM?

THEY are the ones who didn't vote for Harris or Booker during the Democratic Primaries.

by Anonymousreply 94Last Saturday at 3:15 PM

They are FEMALES, yes. I think that is the thing that seems to be the biggest obstacle.

by Anonymousreply 95Last Saturday at 3:16 PM

Summer White House= The Vill-a-gez!

by Anonymousreply 96Last Saturday at 3:16 PM

I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would vote for trump again. Just shoot me.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Saturday at 3:16 PM

um, shit happens r94, times change and people make new calculations. you know that, right?

by Anonymousreply 98Last Saturday at 3:16 PM

R80 His assertions are in his ass. Elizabeth Warren couldn’t even be president of Massachusetts.

by Anonymousreply 99Last Saturday at 3:17 PM

I hope Obama prevents Biden from doing anything stupid.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Saturday at 3:18 PM

got it, you have some weird bitterness r100. Well that is okay. Biden needs to win though, you get that, right? You are living in a complete bullshit world, are you?

by Anonymousreply 101Last Saturday at 3:20 PM

[QUOTE] But Obama worked his ass off to get elected twice. He is an remarkable public speaker and campaigner. He has depth political instincts. Thank God, he is calling the shots on the campaign. We need him.

If Barack Obama was calling the shots, Joe Biden never would’ve run in the first place. Barack urged him to sit out 2016 which led to Trump getting elected, and he tried to keep him out in 2020 which would’ve given the nomination to Bernie Sanders and led to Trump getting elected AGAIN. Obama has no business calling anything. This is Joe Biden’s decision, one he rightfully earned, and he will make it on his own.

by Anonymousreply 102Last Saturday at 3:20 PM

[quote]Stan Greenberg urged Hillary Clinton to pick Elizabeth Warren as her Vice President. He thinks Clinton would be in the White House had she listened.

This shows why this pollster is clueless. The problem was Hillary. People stayed home because they couldn't stand her.

by Anonymousreply 103Last Saturday at 3:22 PM

I think Obama is leading the ship. He is very evidence- based, and also has great political instincts. The American people and kids everywhere cannot survive Trump/Facist Republicans in office.

Vote ALL Republicans OUT of office for this.

Are you register to Vote? Register Now

How are you going to deal with Voter Suppression in your state and district? You are going to need a Plan now. Republicans are going to make everything a hell-scape to prevent you from voting.

by Anonymousreply 104Last Saturday at 3:23 PM

I know, everyone stop imagining the perfect vice presidential nominee. there isn't one. it just doesn't work like that.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Saturday at 3:23 PM

But Bloomberg (the billionaires) are trying to stop Warren. And they are manipulating the American people into it.

Yes, it does matter the experience of the people in the White House. IT DOES MATTER.

Trump/Republicans are going to hit this ticket HARD. So in that case, it does not matter. Trump is calling Biden a Socialist.

by Anonymousreply 106Last Saturday at 3:31 PM

Harris is an actual reformer, who has reformed things. Warren is all talk.

Harris is more progressive than Warren. Harris is ranked #2, warren #4... Bernie is #10 in the Senate.

So yeah. The fact that Progressives are not stanning for Harris is pure racism. And Berners were ripping Warren up one side and down the other when they perceived she was a "threat" to their precious Bernie (calling her a "Snake" among other things).

Harris is better than Warren on any given issue or topic. Period. To deny that obvious, and provable truth, is to be blinded by racism. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 107Last Saturday at 4:35 PM

I would so prefer her to Kamala Harris.

Biden needs a true progressive to balance out Biden's conservatism.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Saturday at 5:15 PM

Harris isn't a reformer enough.

She locks up innocent people, then pretends her shit don't stank.

by Anonymousreply 109Last Saturday at 5:16 PM

Has the Duckworth Troll chimed-in yet?

by Anonymousreply 110Last Saturday at 6:02 PM

Waiting is driving Trump batshit mental. I say keep it up.

by Anonymousreply 111Last Saturday at 6:05 PM

[QUOTE] Harris is an actual reformer, who has reformed things. Warren is all talk.

What has she reformed, R107?

by Anonymousreply 112Last Saturday at 6:24 PM

Go Liz!

She’s always been a lone voice against the banks that prey on minorities.

I think she would be an excellent choice.

by Anonymousreply 113Last Saturday at 6:33 PM

R112, try taking a class in history. You would learn that she reformed the banks and was the head of the CPFB which helped to block banks from preying on minorities. She got back BILLIONS from the banks.

What have you done?

by Anonymousreply 114Last Saturday at 6:35 PM

Thank you, R113 and R114!

The anti-Warren idiots are full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Saturday at 7:09 PM

[quote] Has the Duckworth Troll chimed-in yet?

Probably fast asleep.

It's like 3 a.m. in china.

by Anonymousreply 116Last Saturday at 7:10 PM

Malarkey!

by Anonymousreply 117Last Saturday at 7:11 PM

It will never ever be Warren. Keep fantasizing for a few more days.

by Anonymousreply 118Last Saturday at 7:24 PM

Just to clarify, Elizabeth Warren is the one responsible for creating the CFPB and promoting bank reform, not Kamala Harris. R114 muddied the waters a little.

Also, polls have consistently shown that Elizabeth Warren is the top VP choice among African-Americans. Harris, by contrast, has generated distrust among AAs for her work as a prosecutor. So R107 telling us we're all racists for not supporting Harris is bullshit.

But I don't think it'll be Warren either. With any luck, she'll be put in charge of Treasury.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Saturday at 7:28 PM

Wrong skin color.

(How ironic is that?)

by Anonymousreply 120Last Saturday at 7:28 PM

Please link to all the polls that show Warren as top VP choice among African-Americans, R119.

by Anonymousreply 121Last Saturday at 7:37 PM

Well, R121, there's one example at R80.

by Anonymousreply 122Last Saturday at 7:51 PM

Warren is too old. Next.

by Anonymousreply 123Last Saturday at 7:52 PM

I think Warren is highly intelligent and spry. But I think black voters would be extremely disappointed and angry, and might refuse to vote.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Saturday at 7:55 PM

Are the Warrenistas really making the argument for Warren because she supposedly has African-American support? There was person with significant AA support in the primaries. His name is Joe Biden and he's already on the ticket. Desperation on the part of the Liz fans.

by Anonymousreply 125Last Saturday at 7:59 PM

I sincerely doubt that, OP!

She's such a fraud and operator and men HATE her!!

by Anonymousreply 126Last Saturday at 8:21 PM

R27, Elizabeth lost in her own state. Nobody voted for her.

by Anonymousreply 127Last Saturday at 9:03 PM

[quote]Are the Warrenistas really making the argument for Warren because she supposedly has African-American support? There was person with significant AA support in the primaries. His name is Joe Biden and he's already on the ticket. Desperation on the part of the Liz fans.

This just reinforces the idea that the VP doesn't need to be a Black woman. Biden already has Black voters. He should pick the best person for the job, and it's probably Warren.

by Anonymousreply 128Yesterday at 5:49 AM

And it dispels the notion that black voters are clamoring for a black candidate in the White House when they don’t really seem to give a shit about race. They never did. They didn’t vote for Barack Obama because he was black; they voted for him because they saw him as the best candidate to win in November 2008. That’s the exact same reason they voted for Joe Biden. Obama being black was just icing on the cake for them.

by Anonymousreply 129Yesterday at 6:07 AM

Exactly, R128 and R129. Both right on the money.

For some reason, pundits seem to think that black voters are stupid, and only vote based on race.

Wrong. White voters do that. Especially in the South and the Midwest.

Black voters vote based on who can help them. That's why they vote primarily for Democratic candidates, particularly for ones like JFK, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and yes - Barack Obama.

by Anonymousreply 130Yesterday at 6:11 AM

she's the one I like best

by Anonymousreply 131Yesterday at 6:11 AM

[quote] I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would vote for trump again. Just shoot me.

Better yet, shoot them.

by Anonymousreply 132Yesterday at 6:22 AM

IF there are going to be debates Liz could kick ass. She’s good on the comebacks in most cases and knows how to use zingers.

by Anonymousreply 133Yesterday at 6:29 AM

We need to get the message out to Biden, before it's too late:

Pick Elizabeth Warren for the win!

Pick anyone else, and it's four more years for DUMP.

Biden should not be bullied into picking a running mate, just to be politically correct. He needs to choose the BEST person for the job, and that's Elizabeth Warren.

by Anonymousreply 134Yesterday at 6:33 AM

Take a look at these polls...

Biden/Rice 47% (+7) Trump/Pence 40%

Biden/Abrams 47% (+7) Trump/Pence 40%

Biden/Warren 47% (+6) Trump/Pence 41%

Biden/Harris 47% (+6) Trump/Pence 41%

Biden/Baldwin 46% (+6) Trump/Pence 40%

Biden/Demings 46% (+6) Trump/Pence 40%

Biden/Grisham 46% (+6) Trump/Pence 40%

Biden/Duckworth 46% (+6) Trump/Pence 40%

Biden/Whitmer 46% (+5) Trump/Pence 41%

Biden/Bass 46% (+5) Trump/Pence 41%

Biden/Bottoms 46% (+5) Trump/Pence 41%

Biden/Hassan 45% (+4) Trump/Pence 41%

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by Anonymousreply 135Yesterday at 7:10 AM

R135, those same polls said that Hillary would win in 2016.

I tend not to believe the polls.

by Anonymousreply 136Yesterday at 7:12 AM

James Clyburn came out and said it’s more important to have a Black woman in the Supreme Court rather than VP. He probably knows it’s going to be Warren.

by Anonymousreply 137Yesterday at 7:19 AM

Joe hasn't decided yet.

Liz is still in the running!

by Anonymousreply 138Yesterday at 7:30 AM

Hurry Warren if you want this you must find a bottle of "Gee your hair smells terrific" this decision will be made with a sniff.

by Anonymousreply 139Yesterday at 7:32 AM

They just held a fundraiser together and they speak frequently. They sound like they’re already in that President/VP love the way Barack and Joe were.

[QUOTE]”We’ve known each other a long time. Her fearless work for a just America has transformed lives and inspired millions, including me,” Biden said of Warren. “She is something else.”

[QUOTE]Warren returned the compliment. “I wake up every single day with a heart full of hope and here is why: Vice President Biden is meeting the moment.”

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by Anonymousreply 140Yesterday at 7:44 AM

Joe approached Liz about being his VP in 2016. Anyone claiming they hate each other doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

by Anonymousreply 141Yesterday at 7:46 AM

[QUOTE] Former President Barack Obama, who has been advising Biden on the choice, also thought it was very important to pick someone who had already gone through the rigors of the presidential campaign trail. “There’s not going to be a lot of time to adjust,” Obama said at the time, according to former adviser David Axelrod’s book, "Believer." “I’m afraid that if someone is experiencing this whole, crazy circus for the first time, it would be too much to ask.”

by Anonymousreply 142Yesterday at 7:50 AM

I'd be fine with Elizabeth Warren as VP, or Prez.

by Anonymousreply 143Yesterday at 7:53 AM

R140 Sounds very good to me.

by Anonymousreply 144Yesterday at 7:54 AM

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that if Biden wins he will be the oldest president ever elected, which means there’s a damn good chance that the VP will become president Based on Warren’s detailed economic policy platformed during her presidential run, she seems to be the only VP candidate fully prepared for assuming the office of PRESIDENT, love her or hate her.

by Anonymousreply 145Yesterday at 8:05 AM

She’s such a sleeper. There’s virtually no discussion about her, which means none of these warring VP camps are out there attacking her. It’s Dick Cheney in 2000 all over again.

by Anonymousreply 146Yesterday at 8:08 AM

I really think it could be her. I wasn’t a big fan before, but there’s no question she’s the most qualified of any of these people to take over on Day One if needed.

Also, I don’t think her age is as big of a deal as some here think. Nobody seems to have a problem with McConnell running the Senate at age 78, or Nancy Pelosi in charge of the House at 80.

by Anonymousreply 147Yesterday at 8:53 AM

I do wonder if the reason why Joe has said 4 black women are in the running for VP is to soften the blow if he chooses a non-black woman. It could also be the reason why he said he'd appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court.

by Anonymousreply 148Yesterday at 9:02 AM

[quote]It could also be the reason why he said he'd appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court.

And don’t forget, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is going to announce her retirement about two minutes after Joe Biden is sworn in as President, so one of his first priorities in office will be filling that Supreme Court seat.

by Anonymousreply 149Yesterday at 9:05 AM

It would be the smarter choice, but the Dems have fumbled the ball at every opportunity this election cycle, so I’m expecting it to be Harris for optics sake, which will lead to incessant in-fighting over her. It will please no one and she’ll just end up being an albatross of unelectability.

by Anonymousreply 150Yesterday at 9:10 AM

[quote]Are the Warrenistas really making the argument for Warren because she supposedly has African-American support?

Not African-American support, Warren has African-American blood! She's been telling people for years she is part black is and actually a woman of color!

by Anonymousreply 151Yesterday at 9:13 AM

Go, Liz!!!

by Anonymousreply 152Yesterday at 9:15 AM

[quote]Dems have fumbled the ball at every opportunity this election cycle, so I’m expecting it to be Harris for optics sake, which will lead to incessant in-fighting over her.

Biden knows that Harris is going to be problematic.

by Anonymousreply 153Yesterday at 9:17 AM

If he didn’t before then he certainly does now, R153.

by Anonymousreply 154Yesterday at 9:19 AM

R150, the smartest choice would actually be a straight, white man, preferably from the Midwest. That ticket would be an easier sell to swing voters and Republicans dissatisfied with Trump. We already know Trump is going to send in troops to big cities. They're likely going to try to mess with the black vote by doing this. That needs to be offset by ensuring the suburbs feel safe voting for Biden. And you do that by making the ticket 2 straight, white men.

by Anonymousreply 155Yesterday at 9:19 AM

UH-OH, Liz may not be under the radar for much longer. Brand new soaring Times piece just published calling her “one of the most racially progressive white politicians in the country.” The jig is up, DL. Kamala’s gonna be coming after her now. 😂

[QUOTE] More than half a century later, the young college coed, who now goes by Senator Elizabeth Warren, led the charge in Congress to require the Pentagon to rename bases that honor Confederate military leaders. She spent much of her time on the campaign trail during the Democratic primary campaign talking about the racial wealth gap and systemic discrimination, and proposing plans on housing, maternal mortality, child care and other issues, which had an explicit focus on racial justice.

[QUOTE]She’s also the only white woman still under serious consideration to become Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s running mate, at a time when some Democratic leaders are pushing for more racial representation on their ticket.

[QUOTE]“She did the work and continues to do the work,” said Angela Peoples, the director of Black Womxn For, who recently co-wrote an op-ed urging Mr. Biden to select Ms. Warren as his running mate over several Black women. “That’s the model that I would love to see other Democrats follow.”

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by Anonymousreply 156Yesterday at 9:30 AM

R155 It SHOULD have been Cuomo, but the pandemic happened. A Biden-Cuomo ticket would have been unbeatable.

by Anonymousreply 157Yesterday at 9:34 AM

Tim Ryan of Ohio is white male Rust Belt personified.

by Anonymousreply 158Yesterday at 9:37 AM

Warren’s engaged heavily with the rust belt, has cranked up the folksy Oklahoma accent to 11, and even has an ungrammatical populist catch phrase (“I got a plan for that!”) Her optics are on point.

by Anonymousreply 159Yesterday at 9:57 AM

Warren fans, where do you live?

by Anonymousreply 160Yesterday at 10:02 AM

You’re right, R157. That’s a ticket that would inspire passion right now and actually give Biden a fighting chance. But it’s a Catch 22 because people wouldn’t have known how suited Cuomo is if it weren’t for COVID.

But Biden shot himself in the foot when he decided to pander and say he’s giving it to a woman of color.

Establishments care about quotas during an election. Voters don’t care about them in the voting booth. No one is going to say “I think let’s give this minority a chance” in private and when their livelihood is at stake. People didn’t vote for Obama because he was black during the crash of the recession in 2008. They voted because they connected with him most. McCain pulled the cynical identity politics game by picking Palin and he lost it.

The idea that Harris, with her fire and brimstone approach to law and order, is expected to serve as a representative as the Democratic Party on a national stage for any reason other than her skin color is laughable. And the fact that Dems are rooting for her someone so deeply unqualified is also a little racist.

by Anonymousreply 161Yesterday at 10:10 AM

That is bullshit. The last vice presidential candidate that helped a president win was Lyndon Johnson when they stole Texas (and Illinois) for Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 162Yesterday at 10:17 AM

Jesus, will the lone holdout from this summer’s Cuomomania please move on? Nobody’s putting a cuckold in the White House. If the man can’t dick his wife down properly, how’s he going to protect us from all threats foreign and domestic?

by Anonymousreply 163Yesterday at 10:24 AM

I agree that Warren has the best optics of all the woman, but we can't afford to lose a Seante seat. She needs to stay where she is.

by Anonymousreply 164Yesterday at 10:36 AM

[quote] Also, I don’t think her age is as big of a deal as some here think. Nobody seems to have a problem with McConnell running the Senate at age 78, or Nancy Pelosi in charge of the House at 80.

Are— are you joking?

A Biden/Warren ticket would be a slightly more successful Mondale/Ferraro. But only slightly.

by Anonymousreply 165Yesterday at 10:37 AM

Harris will lose California because of her tainted record as a prosecutor. She might appeal to centrists who like that she is a woman of color who is tough on criminals, but her flip-flop from “progressive prosecutor” to enabler of police misconduct and oppressor of the wrongly convicted has alienated her from liberals and POC - at least in California.

by Anonymousreply 166Yesterday at 11:14 AM

She’s as toxic as Hilary was in 2016, R166. Far left people hate her, the right absolutely fucking hates her, her supporters aren’t that impassioned or numerous, and independents don’t trust her to take over when Biden dies.

That ticket is Hilary 2 chained to the ghost of Jacob Marley.

by Anonymousreply 167Yesterday at 11:25 AM

Oops I mean Harris will lose the SUPPORT of Californians - Biden will win the state no matter who his VP is. There will be pressure on him to NOT choose Harris as his running mate, though.

by Anonymousreply 168Yesterday at 11:25 AM

She couldn't win her own state. But she'll win over the other 49? Not sure about that.

by Anonymousreply 169Yesterday at 11:29 AM

Is elizabeth warren off biden's VP list now? If she is, he is beyond stupid.

by Anonymousreply 170Yesterday at 12:21 PM

She’s NOT off the list.

by Anonymousreply 171Yesterday at 12:46 PM

OP, considering Hillary list due to misogyny I don’t think TWO women on the ticket would’ve seen her win.

by Anonymousreply 172a day ago

R172, Hilary didn’t lose because of misogyny. Don’t do that.

by Anonymousreply 173a day ago

I know R173!

There are 99 Reasons She Lost (And "I was a shitty candidate" ain't one.)

Me and my fellow Stans can recite them for you if you'd like.

We're trying to set them to the tune of "My Favorite Things"

by Anonymousreply 174a day ago

Get it through your THICK HEADS! Biden is OLD, Warren is OLD....you can't have a ticket with two OLDS, especially if they are also both WHITE OLDS.

Not in 2020 you can't.

And could the poster who is STILL kvetching about a man not being picked for VP this year please move on already, like geez....we get it, you want a white dude, not any kind of female, but it's not happening.

by Anonymousreply 17521 hours ago

Americans like their politicians to be OLD.

by Anonymousreply 17621 hours ago

Does Biden think Warren is too old to be VP? That would be ironic.

by Anonymousreply 17721 hours ago

[quote]I agree that Warren has the best optics of all the woman, but we can't afford to lose a Seante seat.

A billion people have said this already, but her Senate seat wouldn't be lost. The Massachusetts legislature, which is controlled by Democrats, has already adopted rules that basically prevent the Republican governor from appointing a Republican to the seat without its approval (which it wouldn't give).

by Anonymousreply 17821 hours ago

I look forward to the announcement this week, especially coming back to this thread and watching the meltdown after Warren is NOT selected.

by Anonymousreply 17921 hours ago

I don't think there will be that big of a meltdown if Warren is not selected.

If Kamala isn't, there will be a massive one.

[quote]Not in 2020 you can't.

He already has the black vote on lock. He already promised specifically to appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court for life which will be part of his legacy. The same goes for putting any woman as VP. Both will be firsts. The internet and the media are running with the idea of a black woman vp because it makes a good story.

Something tells me he will choose who he wants no matter what anyone else says in those arenas.

by Anonymousreply 18020 hours ago

R180. I agree. I think odds are against Warren because of the things you mention, plus she is too progressive. Big corporations and the uber-wealthy hate her for her billionaire tax plan which would effectively redistribute a percentage of their profits to social programs They are very concerned about her being second-in-line for the presidency.

I think Warren’s opponents will successfully fund a shadow-campaign against her. Conversely, they’ll support Harris via social media because she has supported the very systems that provide housing, food and “mental health services” without billionaire tax money - institutions that up until recently actually CONTRIBUTED to corporate profit: California’s (now illegal) private prisons. Yet Harris also meets Biden’s requirement of being a woman of color, so she’s a win-win for the anti-Warrens.

by Anonymousreply 18119 hours ago

Warren deserves it over Harris.

by Anonymousreply 18219 hours ago

No, she doesn't, r182. She ran a piss-poor campaign and was a massive hypocrite. Remember her criticism of how others funded their campaigns when she had a super PAC funding hers? Remember her attacks on charter schools and claims that her kids went to public school when they were mainly educated in private schools? The list goes on. The schoolmarm will remain in the Senate.

by Anonymousreply 18319 hours ago

I almost forgot her requirement that any potential Secretary of Education must be pre-approved by a "young trans person" before she appointed them. I can think of 20 people who deserve the VP spot more than Warren.

by Anonymousreply 18419 hours ago

I cannot believe that more people don't reject Warren for the malleable, slick operator she's been. She turns me off completely as a national candidate and I'm originally from Massachusetts!

How will she deal with the fact that she allowed Harvard to tout her as a "Woman of Color" hire for the whole time she taught there...as a Republican?! How will actual women of color be expected to feel about her? Aren't their votes kind of important?

Warren's whole, "I'm getting a trans child to inform me on education", or whatever disqualifying gibberish she was pandering to that week made me gasp it was so inappropriate! She'd be a total anvil around Biden's neck! All he had to say was nothing and he could have chosen a popular male governor or former governor!

by Anonymousreply 18519 hours ago

R185 Do you really think Biden won’t win because of his VP choice? I honestly think the issue is whether or not we will have a competent person to take his place should he be unable to serve due to poor mental or physical health. The optics only play a part in who BIDEN selects as VP and have little to do with his winning or losing the election

by Anonymousreply 18619 hours ago

^^ BTW, my earlier comment about a Biden/Cuomo ticket being “unbeatable” refers to more centrists and undecided drawn to the polls, giving the pair a landslide win. I think Biden will win regardless, but Trump will dispute, refute and sue over it, so the bigger the margin of victory, the better.

by Anonymousreply 18718 hours ago

[quote]She ran a piss-poor campaign and was a massive hypocrite.

Kamala Harris ran an even more "piss-poor" campaign. There is absolutely no contest if you're going by that.

[quote]I almost forgot her requirement that any potential Secretary of Education must be pre-approved by a "young trans person"

She pandered and it was an incredibly stupid move but they all made stupid moves. I did like her saying that young people and actual educators should have some say over who is chosen. She should have stopped at that. Then again you had Mayor Pete running around drinking a 40 out of a brown paper bag for a tv/internet show, Beto injecting Spanish into his speeches while skateboarding around at appearances, Biden flip flopping on whether or not he wanted to be associated with Obama's decisions depending on how well he knew they'd appear to the voters "I was a part of that!"/"I had nothing to do with that!" and Harris' "That little girl was me!" t-shirts she had ready to go that evening from her very rehearsed Biden attack.

I said it before and I will say it again, ultimately I don't care who he chooses as long as it's not Amy Klobuchar. Luckily her past and the current climate already got her booted out as a possible contender but stranger things have happened.

by Anonymousreply 18815 hours ago

Nah. He has to choose someone much younger than he is, she's too old.

by Anonymousreply 18915 hours ago

“Mayor Pete running around drinking a 40 out of a brown paper bag for a tv/internet show”

Oh please. They were making fun of pandering and parodying it.

by Anonymousreply 19014 hours ago

It doesn't matter who Biden chooses. This election is not for him to win but for Trump to lose.

LThe flaccid geriatric DP has no energy or ideas of its own. That said, I like Warren and her economic policy proposals are what the world needs. Corporations need oversight and need to be reined in.

by Anonymousreply 19114 hours ago

Nobody likes Warren except white upperclass people. She claims to be progressive so that makes them feel good but doesn’t actually want to make them pay taxes like Bernie.

by Anonymousreply 19214 hours ago

“I almost forgot her requirement that any potential Secretary of Education must be pre-approved by a "young trans person" before she appointed them”

Does Warren realize that there are fewer than 50,000 trans people in the us. Why would she think pandering to them like that would be effective?

by Anonymousreply 19314 hours ago

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as political talent goes. Warren is fine. So are the rest. But nothing exciting or relevant is going to happen until AOC, Pete and company come to the fore and take charge.

by Anonymousreply 19414 hours ago

Get over it with the trans thing. It was a stupid thing to say, but it was a blip, not some big pillar of her campaign. I’d wager outside of trans-obsessed DL, most people have forgotten about it or don’t consider it worth worrying about.

by Anonymousreply 19514 hours ago

A picture is worth......

And that is why, in this moment of our history, a Biden/Harris ticket is a better visual than a Trump/Pence ticket.

by Anonymousreply 19614 hours ago

She's too old. She's 71. He's 77.

Even if he wanted to choose her, which I don't think he does, he couldn't.

The Republicans wish he'd pick Warren but he won't do it.

by Anonymousreply 19713 hours ago

[quote] She's too old. She's 71. He's 77. Even if he wanted to choose her, which I don't think he does, he couldn't.

I think you’re right, but I wish we could have her to help lead us out of the economic disaster we’re facing. Then again, she doesn’t need to be VP to do that.

by Anonymousreply 19813 hours ago

[quote]Oh please. They were making fun of pandering and parodying it.

Oh, please, yourself. He was on a black television show doing bits to PANDER to black voters because they saw through his shtick. He ran out and did every appearance he possibly could to get them and he just couldn't.

Even his supporters here noticed he was pandering for several months and also knew it wasn't going to work.

[quote]Nah. He has to choose someone much younger than he is, she's too old.

Just like Obama chose someone much younger than ... oh, wait.

He's only serving for one term. People are expecting him to choose someone who could possibly succeed him. Not only does it not always work out that way but it's also likely he'll choose who he thinks is best for now which is going to be Warren for her financial background or Harris because she's younger and a fits the press'/some portion of the public's requirements that he choose a black woman.

After all, there have only been 4 times in history that a VP actually was elected President in the election after they ended their VP term.

by Anonymousreply 19912 hours ago

I like Kamala Harris and Susan Rice, but now there's a lot of buzz about Karen Bass. Is she that impressive?

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by Anonymousreply 20011 hours ago

[quote] Just like Obama chose someone much younger than ... oh, wait.

Obama was 47 when elected, ffs. He actually needed to choose someone older and more experienced.

by Anonymousreply 20111 hours ago

R200, no offense, but NO ONE is talking about Karen Bass.

I’m sure you’re trying very hard, though.

by Anonymousreply 20211 hours ago

[quote] Hilary didn’t lose because of misogyny. Don’t do that.

Oh I’m doin it and doin it and doin it well - of course it was misogyny. Give me one legit reason she lost, please.

by Anonymousreply 20310 hours ago

The Russians, R203 -- or did you forget about them?

by Anonymousreply 20410 hours ago

There are numerous reasons HRC lost, but misogyny certainly played a role.

by Anonymousreply 20510 hours ago

[quote] Give me one legit reason she lost, please.

Half the country hated her with the heat of ten thousand suns and a good percentage of those Haters normally vote for Democrats. And there is something about Hillary, and Hillary alone, that causes people to hate her in a way that other female politicians avoid. Women like AOC and Liz Warren may be demonized by the right but they do not get the visceral hate that Hillary does. Her Stans on DL can't seem to wrap their heads around that--that there's something about Hillary that really irks a lot of people00 if Hillary was a school bus driver, she'd be the driver the kids all hated. (And their moms.)

She also ran a shitty campaign, best described at The Tortoise and the Hare

by Anonymousreply 20610 hours ago

[quote] but the Dems have fumbled the ball at every opportunity this election cycle

What are all these opportunities the Dems have fumbled, R150?

As for VP, no one who wants Dump out is going to see the VP pick as a dealbreaker. Those on the fence are on the fence for reasons that have little to nothing to do with the VP.

Warren is obviously the best candidate. She deserved the presidential nomination, FFS. I prefer Susan Rice over Harris but Harris is also fine. Biden won't lose CA because of Harris. That's a ridiculous assertion.

by Anonymousreply 20710 hours ago

Warren has limited appeal beyond the northeast elite. She’s not a swing state Middle America candidate. Forget winning North Carolina or Florida with her on the ballot

by Anonymousreply 2089 hours ago

“ Oh, please, yourself. He was on a black television show doing bits to PANDER to black voters because they saw through his shtick. He ran out and did every appearance he possibly could to get them and he just couldn't.”

Ok Going on a comedy show and doing comedy bits is pandering now. You better talk to your homegirl Elizabeth Warren because she was on that show too. And her whole existence is one big pander.

by Anonymousreply 2099 hours ago

"Desus: “We’re walking through a park with very little security. And we’re super comfortable. We know the rules and stuff. But also, he has to be careful, he’s running for president. But he was a good sport about everything. We got a little blowback online because people said he was pandering to the black vote by drinking 40s in the park. First of all, that comment is so racist, because we weren’t drinking 40s. [They were drinking a bottle of scotch covered in a paper bag.] And also the idea that black people are monolithic and we’re going to vote for someone just because he drank a 40? ‘Mayor Pete’s invited to the cookout!’ No, that’s not how black people vote

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by Anonymousreply 2109 hours ago

I like Warren, despite some of her admitted slickness (which only seems to be an issue for female politicians). I'd rather she remain a powerful senator. Hell, if Dems take back the Senate, it would be great to see her be Senate Majority Leader one day. I mean, I'm sure Chuck Schumer would do fine, but with Warren as SML, perhaps some genuinely progressive legislation would be accomplished.

by Anonymousreply 2118 hours ago

“I like Warren, despite some of her admitted slickness (which only seems to be an issue for female politicians)”

Or gay ones.

by Anonymousreply 2128 hours ago
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