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Courtney Love—one of the most underrate lyricists ever?

I know she is reviled by many and there are a number of people who claim she didn't write any of her music—but even if she didn't write the guitar riffs, the lyrics have always been consistent and clearly her own—and they have always been incredibly smart. "Northern Star" by Hole is just one example, though I think it is a crowning achievement of a song in her career. I can't think of many songwriters of her generation who have produced lyrics of that caliber.

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by Anonymousreply 2305/24/2020

UnderrateD, of course

by Anonymousreply 105/24/2020

She had a lot of “help” with her songs. Eric Erlandson, Billy Corgan have been given credit for their contributions. Many think Kurt Cobain wrote a lot of the stuff on Live Through This, I believe it. Courtney and Eric has him all strung out on smack the whole time the three of them were locked away in their LA condo writing that album. It doesn’t sound like anything they did before it. I have a certain fascination with CL, I loved her kinderwhore look. I know she didn’t create it, but I think she perfected it.

by Anonymousreply 205/24/2020

Not interested in Courtney, her day came and went during The People v Larry Flynt.

by Anonymousreply 305/24/2020

I don't care if she plagiarized every fucking word on Live Through This, I thank God she put out that record, because it is one of the very few flawless records that I have ever experienced in my lifetime.

by Anonymousreply 405/24/2020

She did have a lot of help, though I don't buy the whole "Kurt wrote her album" shit.

Charlotte Caffey of the Go-Go's cowrote one of the songs on Celebrity Skin.

by Anonymousreply 505/24/2020

R4

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by Anonymousreply 605/24/2020

She's no Anne Sexton. OP doesn't listen to a lot of music.

[quote] I can't think of many songwriters of her generation who have produced lyrics of that caliber.

As far as mainstream ones go.. Ani Difranco, Tori Amos, Johnette Napolitano of Concrete Blonde

by Anonymousreply 705/24/2020

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by Anonymousreply 805/24/2020

R5 I don’t believe he wrote the whole album either. I think he had quite a bit of influence and certainly contributed to the creative process for that album, though. Courtney and Eric both try to downplay his involvement. I don’t think it was as minimal as they would have us believe.

by Anonymousreply 905/24/2020

R9 It's probably somewhere in the middle between "He did nothing" and "He did everything."

But I also think it's more that he influenced Eric's playing a lot (not hers as much)

by Anonymousreply 1005/24/2020

So what does she do now? Fashion shows and parties. That's her life now.

by Anonymousreply 1105/24/2020

Does it even fucking matter? Courtney DELIVERED those songs. And if Kurt wrote the record then I feel bad for him not getting any credit, because Live Through This ended up being a whole lot more timeless than anything Nirvana ever did.

by Anonymousreply 1205/24/2020

LTT is a good album, but there is no way it will be remembered more than Nevermind or In Utero.

by Anonymousreply 1305/24/2020

R7 it's funny you assume I don't listen to a lot of music. Tori personally bores me to death, and Ani is not "mainstream." Even if you considered them among the best lyricists of that generation, it doesn't mean Courtney (who funnily enough quoted Anne Sexton verbatim in "Miss World") wouldn't belong in the same category.

by Anonymousreply 1405/24/2020

Live Through This definitely has Corgan's vibe, as muxh in how Courtney sang the lyrics as well as in the phrasing itself.

I agree with r4- acreaming along to Live Through This provided me with catharsis during some dark times, along with a few Tori Amos and Marilyn Manson CDs.

by Anonymousreply 1505/24/2020

Damn, sorry about all those typos!

by Anonymousreply 1605/24/2020

I think LTT has way more Kurt influence than Billy Corgan by miles—Kurt sang backup on a couple tracks on LTT. They were both influencing each other while writing their respective records (her LTT, him In Utero). Billy actually co-wrote half of Celebrity Skin, so if any of her records sound like Billy, it's that one.

by Anonymousreply 1705/24/2020

[quote] it's funny you assume I don't listen to a lot of music.

[quote] and Ani is not "mainstream."

She's the Norah Jones of the folk scene so I stand by my initial statement. You've got jejune and limited tastes. Own it. The actual good lyricism was happening in the last throes of the goth era. Courtney Love's HS poetry really doesn't compare

by Anonymousreply 1805/24/2020

Don't get defensive OP, you asked if she was underrated and the answer is plainly, no. She belongs to a group of mainstream imitators that were copying a much more profound subculture. Trent Reznor of NIN and Marilyn Manson belong there as well.

by Anonymousreply 1905/24/2020

No, not really.

by Anonymousreply 2005/24/2020

Some of her best lines weren't even in her songs. "I'm sorry, did I interrupt? Were you guys talking about astrophysics or something? "

by Anonymousreply 2105/24/2020

R19 / R18 fair enough if you think as much, but you personally insulted me and then asked me to "not get defensive." I wasn't really asking if she was an "imitator" or not anyway. I think her lyrics stand regardless. And I am aware of the goth music that laid the groundwork for that entire scene—Bauhaus is one of my favorite bands.

by Anonymousreply 2205/24/2020

Yes she very underrate

by Anonymousreply 2305/24/2020
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