Virus ‘does not spread easily’ from contaminated surfaces or animals, revised CDC website states

How is it spread, then. Please share so we can take even more precautions.

How convenient that this compromised government agency is stating this just in time for Trump's big push to reopen the economy...

My favorite (not) is the research that claims the virus is spread through ocean spray/ surf, so the beach is dangerous. .

If the virus is that contagious, that we can’t even walk a shoreline, I give up. There’s a happy medium somewhere.

We need a little sanity.

We had a thread on this yesterday that I posted this very link in, why is OP starting a duplicate thread? Why not just post in the original thread?

Why is Datalounge such a fucking cesspit lately, jesus

in case you forgot, from January to April CDC told people not to wear face masks, repeatedly!

sorry I no longer trust CDC's guidelines as I used to.

Don't listen to the CDC

The main way that people catch viruses is from touching things like door knobs that a contagiously ill person has touched after wiping their eyes or sneezing into their hand. CV-19 actively lives for up to 7 days on metal, 4 days on plastic and 2 days on cardboard. This "advice" will kill people.

[quote]In case you forgot, from January to April CDC told people not to wear face masks, repeatedly!

The World Health Organization said the same thing.

But no matter who says what, I'm not spaying down packages and changing my clothes when I get home. The chance of getting the virus from touch is probably so small...I'm just not at all worried about it.

R7 thank you for the information from early March. Twat.

Does anyone know anything about this fucking virus???

But can I still catch the virus from farts?

It's not exactly shocking that medical advice about a brand new virus would evolve as we learn more about it.

I guarantee you, something we accept as gospel today about transmission and treatment will be understood to be completely wrong in six months.

That said, I'm still being cautious about touching and cleaning surfaces.

CDC has been corrupted by Trump.

I am still going to wipe down the grocery cart handles with bleach and avoid touching screen pads to pay.

If this is true, why aren't they telling us we don't need to wash our hands anymore? People don't cough and sneeze onto other people's hands.

Because it’s not impossible to get it from touching an infected surface, it’s just less likely. Washing and/or sanitizing your hands ensures a little more safety.

r16, no, it's not unlikely at all r16. It's extremely likely. In fact, contact transmission is the most common form of transmission.

I didn’t say it was unlikely, I said it was LESS likely than the standard transmission of person to person contact. There’s a big difference and that also answers the posters question as to why they’re not telling us to stop the hand washing.

r18, person to person is not the standard method of transmission. Can you recall in your life how many times you've been directly sneezed upon? The primary method of transmission for all viruses is surface sharing.

Not real confident about anything the CDC says right bow

Bullshit

[quote]The primary method of transmission for all viruses is surface sharing.

Link please

You don’t have to be “directly sneezed on” to catch someone’s virus. Close contact with them is enough.

If you shake their hand and subsequently (before washing your hands) touch your eyes or nose for instance you can get it.

Now they tell us.

We were all bamboozled. Everyday it comes out that this virus is less dangerous than was previously thought. Remember how Florida was supposed to be an epicenter with people dropping dead in the streets?

So right, r25.

NYC was supposed to be the "model" for everyone to follow.

CNN reports new estimates from the CDC:

• About 35% of people infected with the coronavirus are asymptomatic.

• About 40% of transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

• About 0.4% of people who show symptoms will die.

The agency cautions that these numbers are subject to change as more is learned about Covid-19.

The CDC outlined five planning scenarios that represent "the lower and upper bounds of disease severity and viral transmissibility." Under the most severe of the five scenarios outlined -- not the agency's "best estimate" -- the CDC lists a symptomatic case fatality ratio of 0.01, meaning that 1% of people overall with Covid-19 and symptoms would die. In the least severe scenario, the CDC puts that number at 0.2%.

"While most of these numbers are reasonable, the mortality rates shade far too low," biologist Carl Bergstrom of the University of Washington told CNN.

"As I see it, the 'best estimate' is extremely optimistic, and the 'worst case' scenario is fairly optimistic even as a best estimate. One certainly wants to consider worse scenarios," Bergstrom said of CDC's numbers.

This is genocide.

So I’ve been washing my groceries for nothing???

Just like your anus r30.

[quote]"While most of these numbers are reasonable, the mortality rates shade far too low," biologist Carl Bergstrom of the University of Washington told CNN.

I love the way PanicPorn Central CNN has to dig up some biologist somewhere to dispute the CDC. After all, those numbers just aren't scary enough....gotta keep the panic going.

Meanwhile Italian scientists and doctors say the virus is losing force. They are seeing less and less serious symptoms that require hospitalizations.

In New York hospitalizations are down significantly as well.

If the virus doesn't spread easily from contaminated surfaces, then that's good news. We forget that this is a novel coronavirus - - understanding how it, including its transmission, is an ongoing learning process for everyone, including the CDC.

[quote]Meanwhile Italian scientists and doctors say the virus is losing force.

Meanwhile Chinese scientists and doctors say the virus is infecting people for a longer period of time and the patients are taking longer to recover.

Covid also targets our food chain, since it managed to systematically close meat packing companies in various locations across the nation (even South Dakota), and forced farmers to discard their harvest in record time… (USA). Pushing 150 to 500 million people into starvation worldwide is a necessary price to pay…

After this is all said and done, we will probably discover that we've done almost everything wrong during this pandemic.

Don’t believe a word that comes out of China. Come on. They still insist they only had 3000 deaths.

R39

You can't trust anyone. The US is telling worse lies than China.

Early on, I was likening the scientific experts to the bad local weather forecasters. And that this could well set back the efforts of climate change advocates. Lost one Covid-19 obsessed & hysterical friend when she couldn’t understand how the two of us - Trump-haters to the core - could not see eye-to-eye on this.

[quote]If the virus doesn't spread easily from contaminated surfaces, then that's good news. We forget that this is a novel coronavirus - - understanding how it, including its transmission, is an ongoing learning process for everyone, including the CDC.

Not to mention that medicine isn't an exact science. Doctors, researchers and other medical professionals can only look at how previous strains and similar diseases (re)act and make estimated guesses on how to treat new variations. Very rarely, but sometimes they get their hypotheses wrong.

R23 But no one is shaking hands anymore. It still begs the question of how important hand-washing is now. Not that I take anything they say seriously anymore, but I'm just pointing out how uneven their communications are.

I'm so glad all you epidemiologists are taking time off from your work at the CDC to post on this thread.

Having your expert medical opinion on here is so valuable.

R44, I used to have a bumper sticker that read, "Question Authority." It's always prudent to question even the experts. It was experts who got us into both Vietnam & Iraq.

Experts built the Titanic.

[quote] Covid also targets our food chain, since it managed to systematically close meat packing companies in various locations across the nation (even South Dakota),

That has nothing to do with Covid “targeting” anything. Viruses don’t have brains or “enemies.”

The meat plants were shut down because of outbreaks there and the lack of social distancing. You can’t be socially distant standing on an assembly line with someone right next to you.

[quote] But no one is shaking hands anymore. It still begs the question of how important hand-washing is now.

Because it’s not impossible to get it through touching a contaminated surface. It’s just a less likely means of inoculation.

[quote]It was experts who got us into both Vietnam & Iraq.

It was politicians who got us into both those wars ... and politicians are experts at nothing, save perhaps for raising money.

University of Washington biologist Carl Bergstrom, who studies the spread of infectious diseases, says these CDC numbers referenced at R28 reflect "an implausibly low fatality rate."

"These numbers are so far outside of the scientific consensus that this strikes me as a devious and cynical effort to manipulate not only federal modeling but the broader scientific discourse."

R49, experts - not merely politicians - around the globe were 100% convinced Iraq had WMD.

Deplorables have destroyed and corrupted every government agency.

Anybody with common sense knows how viruses are spread. Now wonder deplorables are confused.

[quote] I used to have a bumper sticker that read, "Question Authority."

And that tells us so much about you.

[quote]I used to have a bumper sticker that read, "Question Authority."

History tells us that's the best policy.

They are going to have to do something about touch screen design, I go through my shopping wearing my mask and staying away from other customers then get to checkout with a touchscreen that a hundred people have handled. I suppose I could wear gloves in the store, but "some capacitive touchscreens cannot be used to detect a finger through electrically insulating material, such as gloves and won't respond."

R2, exactly.

R3, you don't bargain with a virus.

Imagine that, if at the end, they say :" guess what, it wasn't a virus after all, it was 5G!"

Catastrophe queens in full force here trying to rationalize the fact that they've been "bleach bathing" their groceries for months to no end. I couldn't have been overreacting! The CDC is compromised! Fake News! The human mind is really thing of beauty.

[quote] It still begs the question of how important hand-washing is now.

Whether there's a pandemic or not, medical professionals recommend washing your hands. Why is there so much pushback in this thread to this basic, commonsense practice?

R59 The Catastrophe Queens' heads are going to explode over the latest comments by Anthony Fauci:

[quote]Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” i

[quote]“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,”

[quote]“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

How do you bleach or soap down something like Boston lettuce. A little soap yes. But enough to kill the virus? I'm letting mine sit for a few days.

[quote] experts - not merely politicians - around the globe were 100% convinced Iraq had WMD.

You are just trolling now. Not even the CIA was convinced.

Again, all the degenerate gays who stick their tongues in someone's ass and still bleaching their groceries.

[quote]How do you bleach or soap down something like Boston lettuce. A little soap yes. But enough to kill the virus? I'm letting mine sit for a few days.

Use Palmolive. It softens your hands while you clean lettuce.

I feel vindicated for laughing at my sister when she told me she's been wiping down her grocery pickups with bleach. To protect the baby (who essentially can't get Covid)!

Babies can’t get it?

[quote] They are going to have to do something about touch screen design, I go through my shopping wearing my mask and staying away from other customers then get to checkout with a touchscreen that a hundred people have handled. I suppose I could wear gloves in the store, but "some capacitive touchscreens cannot be used to detect a finger through electrically insulating material, such as gloves and won't respond."

Just use your knuckle and sanitize afterwards. Gloves get contaminated as well. I've only used them once when pumping gas and immediately threw them out when I was done.

There have been very few documented cases of Covid-19 in infants. The few babies that have died from it have gotten lurid media coverage, but before Covid hit the U.S. it was openly acknowledged that kids rarely showed symptoms. It was thought for a time (February) that kids were the main carriers, can't Google it now because of the news clutter.

My sister is a good, supportive, loving person but unfortunately also quite the Mommyblog frau. She has a very... intense.... parenting style.

R56 They sell winter gloves with metal thread woven into the fingertips for touch screens, check Amazon if you really care.

[quote] I go through my shopping wearing my mask and staying away from other customers then get to checkout with a touchscreen that a hundred people have handled.

In NY we may or may not have a law requiring you to bring your own bag (who knows anymore) so I bring a small packet of sanitizing wipes in my tote bag whenever I go shopping. I wipe down the handle on the shopping basket and the screen and / or stylus pen at checkout. I feel like it's overkill but it gives me peace of mind.

It also dries out my skin so my hands look like crocodile paws.

R51

No, they weren't. It was impolite to call U.S. diplomats and Colin Powell filthy fucking liars, but everyone with any real knowledge of Iraq knew that's what they were. Notice how the UN ultimately told Cheney et al to fuck off.

I can’t trust anything the federal government says anymore because of Trump’s lies and political fuckery.

This is rapidly devolving into the greatest cock-up in world history.

I thought Jeff Stryker held that record.

[quote] I wipe down the handle on the shopping basket and the screen and / or stylus pen at checkout. I feel like it's overkill but it gives me peace of mind.

It’s not overkill in terms of safety, your health and, perhaps more important, your piece of mind. If that makes you feel more comfortable, you’re not harming anyone, I say go for it.

I wash my hands after putting away groceries, but I just can't be bothered to wipe down every item and package I bring in. Maybe for high risk individuals (or those in close contact with them) it makes sense, but I feel like if it is so contagious that it's lurking on every surface, then resistance is futile and we're all going to get it eventually anyway. I take vitamin D and other immune boosters so I don't feel too worried. If the Grim Reaper wants me that badly, so be it.

Covid-19 is just nature's way of making room on the planet.

I trust this guy. He's a critical care doc at Weill Cornell in NYC. This was filmed in March, so it's a little dated, but even then, he was saying the two main forms of transmission were direct contact with an infected person and extended contact (which he defines as a minimum of 15-20 minutes) in an enclosed space. During the Q&A he says there's no need to wipe down groceries. He chooses his words carefully, so it's a lot of "we're not seeing x" or "we are seeing y," as opposed to the absolutism of Trump.

If anyone knows of a follow-up, I'd love to see it.

I am so paranoid about this virus that I continue to bleach every surface in my home. I don't trust the latest CDC info about this virus. Gloves can cross-contaminate so I discard them after every use. But I still spray Lysol or wipe down packages with a Clorox bleach spray. It DOES give my peace of mind. I wonder if this latest from the CDC is a way to justify the very swift reopening in many places.

[quote] I live in Fl where people are fucking idiots

You're not exempt

R44 one of the lessons left by this catastrophe is that "experts " don't know shit.

I was always told NOT to use disinfectants at home. And I refuse to use hand sanitizers. Soap and water for the body and simple detergents for cleaning do well enough. Sanitizing everything is dangerous. It is unnecessary.

r56 Next time you're at a dollar store, grab one of their stylus/pen combos. I use one on all touchscreens, and feel safer doing so.

"Question Authority" bumper stickers were big back in the day among liberals, R54.

[quote] I wipe down the handle on the shopping basket and the screen and / or stylus pen at checkout.

Why not just wipe your hands afterwards instead?

[quote] "Question Authority" bumper stickers were big back in the day among liberals, R54.

That's the irony of the times we live in. That used to be considered a liberal stance

R87 Certainly not what I expected.

R87 It's still a good stance. Liberals don't have a monopoly on truth.

[quote] Why not just wipe your hands afterwards instead?

Excellent question. I guess I was worried about contaminating my hands from the basket and transferring the virus to the groceries I was buying. As for the screen/stylus, I thought I might contaminate my hands and then transfer it to my phone and/or wallet.

At one point the store had someone monitoring the number of people entering the store. She would then ask if you wanted a basket or a cart, and would make a show of wiping down the handle. But she wasn't using a clean wipe each time and my overactive imagination figured she could be cross-contaminating handle after handle with a dirty cloth.

I'm fully willing to admit my paranoia wasn't entirely rational, but when you hear of 30 people in some church getting sick and tracing it back to one person, I think I was, at least in the early stages of the pandemic, somewhat justified.

R89 hi Boris!

I don't trust the latest CDC news about surfaces. I think it is part of a plan to justify the too-rapid reopening in many areas. Not sure what to believe anymore, or from whom.

R92 - yep. Experts need to go out really strong against this or else we'll all get sent back into the world and contract it.

"Virus ‘does not spread easily’ from contaminated surfaces or animals"

FUCK!!!!

Next CDC shall tell us to "Think KFC" and to lick our fingers aggressively when we're out and about. WHO and CDC were wrong about a lot of things from the beginning. We shouldn't expect any of this to magically change somehow.