Is she the greatest screen actor of all time? Took me a while to get used to her persistent Brooklynese (love it) and her odd looks (well, compared to the usual American leading lady type), but IMHO, she really is.
|by I STAN||reply 213||9 hours ago|
She may as well be the DL Eldergays’ spirit animal in this scene.
|by I STAN||reply 1||Last Thursday at 4:04 AM|
I don't think she's the greatest screen actor of all time but she is absolutely one of my favorites. She had a naturalness and authenticity that the other actresses of her era rarely had. The way she spoke was part of it--no phony, elegantly pronounced line readings, which was the custom it seemed; she was sexual, funny, and totally real.
And she was an incredible pro who knew the names of all the crew people and even their families.
|by I STAN||reply 2||Last Thursday at 4:06 AM|
Amazing actress. Nobody opens the doors like her
|by I STAN||reply 3||Last Thursday at 4:08 AM|
R2 As I’ve read/heard it, when the movie industry was developed, it naturally acquired acting talent from the stage. Early on, films were silent and so the movements were exaggerated to convey emotion. Then when “talkies” developed, the melodramatic histrionics—think of Bette Davis throwing herself against the arm of a sofa to dramatize ‘distraught!’—carried forward, while the theatrical training of projecting ‘big’ emotions for the back row did, as well. Then that became the norm for movies. And then some revolutionaries like Marlon Brando came along and chose to act as if they were not acting and everyone eventually realized that the less-performed style was more convincing up close and magnified on the big screen.
To me, one of the things that makes Bette Davis a remarkable actress is that young Bette can be seen as the prototype, grade-A early talkie actress: everything is exaggerated and melodramatic. She mastered that. But then you go to All About Eve, and she brings that big presence with her while toning down the histrionics from her earlier years, even though her character is written as a histrionic older actress. And then later in Baby Jane, her character is again written to be totally over the top, but she performs it in the character of believable psychopath that it’s actually unnerving. Meanwhile, Joan Crawford, who was in pre-talkie silent films, never mastered the more natural acting style. She just didn’t seem to get it the way Bette did.
|by I STAN||reply 4||Last Thursday at 4:16 AM|
Take It Off The E String, Play It On The G String
|by I STAN||reply 5||Last Thursday at 4:31 AM|
R4 Crawfish sometimes gave the tiniest glimpses of natural acting. I love her as the camp queen that she was, but I wish she would have done so more. I specifically remember the fleetest moment in Daisy Kenyon, Henry Fonda tells her he loves her like in the end of their first date or something, and she just asks him "What..?", in an understated, human way. She really could be compelling when she acted like a real human being.
|by I STAN||reply 6||Last Thursday at 4:47 AM|
Hardly and actor. Miss Stanwyck was an ACTRESS.
|by I STAN||reply 7||Last Thursday at 4:54 AM|
R6 She also had a couple of very authentic moments in Mildred Pierce (which won her an Oscar). And I am totally cool with it—her stylized acting punctuated by surprising little moments of humanity can be effective in its own way, like a wall-of-sound sound that suddenly yields to a quiet little moment, but she was nevertheless a less versatile and less naturalistic actress overall. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t a master of her own style. It just wasn’t a natural style.
But a still of her from any given scene in this trailer from the movie you cited could be the inspiration for the evil queen in Disney’s Snow White. Crawford had stature and presence. She just wans’t good at loosening up and coming down to Earth.
|by I STAN||reply 8||Last Thursday at 4:55 AM|
R7 Is that so?
|by I STAN||reply 9||Last Thursday at 4:59 AM|
Can we get back on topic?
|by I STAN||reply 10||Last Thursday at 5:09 AM|
It is the sign of a true stah that attention is directed to her no matter the topic.
|by I STAN||reply 11||Last Thursday at 5:12 AM|
No, it's a sign of Crawford stans.
Crawford was no Stanwyck.
Back to the real actress, please.
|by I STAN||reply 12||Last Thursday at 5:23 AM|
R2, then whom do you think is the greatest screen actor of all time?
|by I STAN||reply 13||Last Thursday at 7:19 AM|
You can always tell when Stanwyck's character is going to be interrupted because she looks down and starts shaking her head when she starts speaking......then when she's interrupted, she stops talking and looks up at the other character......EVERY DAMNED TIME.....
|by I STAN||reply 14||Last Thursday at 8:11 AM|
Aren’t there any more comfortable men in the world? Now they’re all little and nervous like sparrows, or big and worried like sick husbears. Men!!!
|by I STAN||reply 15||Last Thursday at 8:22 AM|
I like her enough, but I am always aware I am watching Barbara Stanwyck, nlt the character. I have watched Bette Davis movies and felt the character, not the actress.
|by I STAN||reply 16||Last Thursday at 8:38 AM|
You mean the nudie actress turned 'straight'?
|by I STAN||reply 17||Last Thursday at 8:41 AM|
My favorite Stanwyck movie is "The Strange Love of Martha Ivers".
|by I STAN||reply 18||Last Thursday at 8:44 AM|
R17, is it tasteful? I think it’s tasteful. Doesn’t even come close to Velvet Lips, that movie Joan did. Is that bitch still hawking Pepsi?
|by I STAN||reply 19||Last Thursday at 9:33 AM|
She wouldn't let those big, strappin' sons of hers marry on the Big Valley.
|by I STAN||reply 20||Last Thursday at 9:44 AM|
I don't know about "the best" but Stanwyck was an very good actress. She played a lot of tough parts, but I always felt she was at her best when she could inject humor into the role -as in The Lady Eve. Her characters were always confident, but best when they were self-knowing and not taking themselves (or anything) too seriously. And that nude pic is nothing to be ashamed of!
|by I STAN||reply 21||Last Thursday at 9:53 AM|
R20, Neither would Lorne Greene on "Bonanza", unless the fiancée or wife died by the end of the episode.
|by I STAN||reply 22||Last Thursday at 10:15 AM|
Frank Capra adored Stanwyck. He said she had a "trick" when playing emotional scenes. When delivering an emotional monologue, she would say every word composed and then make her voice break on the final word as she burst into sobs.
|by I STAN||reply 23||Last Thursday at 10:21 AM|
Another of my favorite Stanwyck films is Baby Face:
Baby Face is a 1933 American pre-Code drama film directed by Alfred E. Green for Warner Bros., starring Barbara Stanwyck as Lily Powers, and featuring George Brent. Based on a story by Darryl F. Zanuck (under the pseudonym Mark Canfield), Baby Face is about an attractive young woman who uses sex to advance her social and financial status. Twenty-five-year-old John Wayne plays a supporting role as one of Powers' lovers.
|by I STAN||reply 24||Last Thursday at 10:46 AM|
R21, who is "the best" then?
|by I STAN||reply 25||Last Thursday at 12:03 PM|
[R25], I wasn't born yesterday. There is no possible answer that, unless it agrees with yours, won't elicit ridicule. This is DL, not the real world.
|by I STAN||reply 26||Last Thursday at 12:12 PM|
The only time I found Crawfish naturalistic on screen was in the movie Rain. Too bad the movie was a flop and she changed her acting style because she felt the fans found her too raw and unglamorous.
|by I STAN||reply 27||Last Thursday at 12:21 PM|
Great actress, I re-watched Lady of Burlesque the other day.
|by I STAN||reply 28||Last Thursday at 12:25 PM|
R14 I think I know what you mean, you can blame it on her habit of memorizing the entire script before filming began, including the other actors' lines. Girl came PREPARED.
|by I STAN||reply 29||Last Thursday at 12:25 PM|
R26 No need to add the extra brackets...
|by I STAN||reply 30||Last Thursday at 12:26 PM|
|by I STAN||reply 31||Last Thursday at 12:27 PM|
Ball of Fire, 1941
|by I STAN||reply 32||Last Thursday at 12:28 PM|
R7 fucked her little show up, didn't she?
Today "actor" often is used without connotations of sex. It's like not calling a woman an "executrix." But on the DL, of course, an actress is an actress and an actor is gay.
|by I STAN||reply 33||Last Thursday at 12:29 PM|
R28 That picture is from Ball of Fire. Her character from Lady of Burlesque is like the ghetto version of Sugarpuss O'Shea. I wish I had her figure.
|by I STAN||reply 34||Last Thursday at 12:32 PM|
R34 She probably looked her best in Lady of Burlesque, the clothes are great in it.
|by I STAN||reply 35||Last Thursday at 12:35 PM|
The Lady Eve is funny and very "modern" throughout . I usually recommend that one along with Double Indemnity and Baby Face.
|by I STAN||reply 36||Last Thursday at 12:38 PM|
The Strange Love of Martha Ivers on YouTube:
|by I STAN||reply 37||Last Thursday at 12:41 PM|
"Double Indemnity" is on TCM tonight (part of the tribute to star of the month Edward G. Robinson.)
|by I STAN||reply 38||Last Thursday at 12:41 PM|
Double Indemnity is in many opinions (mine included) the best film noir of all time. Hard to imagine without Stanwyck. I love her accent by the way.
|by I STAN||reply 39||Last Thursday at 12:42 PM|
So sensual! Barbara was a star.
|by I STAN||reply 40||Last Thursday at 12:43 PM|
I think she's the greatest natural actress in the studio age when it comes to realistic commitment to a character - her authenticity in every role was pretty much unmatched, partly because she lacked stage tricks (a few repetitive tics of hers didn't intrude) and focused on delivering the meaning of her lines and roles without caring how she looked doing it.
Her considerable personal flaws apart, up until the end of her film career she could deliver in a range from near-screwball to romance to thriller, and always managed to be sympathetic, or at least understandable, no matter how lousy her character was. Her works with Fred MacMurray alone show her range. "Rough poignancy" was how the man who hired her for her huge Broadway success in "Burlesque" called it. He bemoaned her move to Hollywood because she was so great on the stage.
Her TV work, including her sorry part in "The Thorn BIrds," wasn't her best. Her dentures didn't fit and the character in the OP's supposed acting lesson wasn't convincing except in a dull, soap opera way. Well, she was pretty good in some episodes of her "The Barbara Stanwyck Show" from 1961. But, no, pick any scene from any theatrical movie she did from the 1930s through 1950s to see a true film acting lesson. She DID get three Emmys, though.
|by I STAN||reply 41||Last Thursday at 12:45 PM|
I really like The Other Love (1947). Compared to her usual roles, it's quite bizarre watching her play a helpless sick woman, probably with tuberculosis (still smoking thought) and being molested by Gilbert Ronald in a dark alley, where instead of her kicking him in the D she hands him her Elizabet Taylor-sized ring so her lives her alone. Wardrobe is also by Edith Head.
|by I STAN||reply 42||Last Thursday at 12:46 PM|
Barbara was lez or lez-adjacent, no?
|by I STAN||reply 43||Last Thursday at 12:50 PM|
Barbara Stanwyck was one of the lucky few people who actually looked better as she got older. She was rather plain-looking as a young woman, but as a mature woman with the white hair she was quite striking.
|by I STAN||reply 44||Last Thursday at 12:52 PM|
R42, I love Stanwyck, but I've never even heard of that movie -- why haven't I run into it on TCM? It sounds wonderful!
|by I STAN||reply 45||Last Thursday at 1:05 PM|
R45 I watched it on this russian wonder, OK.RU. It has every old movie you can think of. The Other Love I think was made by an independent studio so that's probably the reason for it not being shown on TCM.
|by I STAN||reply 46||Last Thursday at 1:11 PM|
Sorry Wrong Number, anyone?
|by I STAN||reply 47||Last Thursday at 1:59 PM|
Clash By Night!
|by I STAN||reply 48||Last Thursday at 5:12 PM|
If you've never seen "My Reputation"(1946), check it out. Stanwyck is great as a young society widow with two young sons and an overbearing mother.
When she gets wet over George Brent and wants to have some fun, everyone in town turns on her.
|by I STAN||reply 49||Last Thursday at 7:26 PM|
Stanwyck's film noirs in the 40s were all great films.
|by I STAN||reply 50||Last Thursday at 7:29 PM|
"The Strange Love Of Martha Ivers" is one of the BEST movie titles ever!
|by I STAN||reply 51||Last Thursday at 7:30 PM|
R39, But that hideous blonde wig . . .
|by I STAN||reply 52||Last Thursday at 7:30 PM|
Robert Wagner claims he began a four year long affair with Stanwyck when he was 22 and she was 44.
|by I STAN||reply 53||Last Thursday at 7:33 PM|
Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyck were friends for decades. They lived next door to each other in the early 30s and when Stanwyck's alcoholic then-husband Frank Fay went into one of his drunken tirades she would hop the fence and seek refuge at Joan's house for the night. I would bet money that they were dyking it out with each other on those nights.
|by I STAN||reply 54||Last Thursday at 7:39 PM|
RJ is a fucking liar.
He was not Miss Stanwyck's type.
|by I STAN||reply 55||Last Thursday at 7:42 PM|
Stanwyck had such animosity toward her adopted son Dion Fay. On her deathbed, she commanded the nurses not to ever allow him into her hospital room.
|by I STAN||reply 56||Last Thursday at 7:44 PM|
Anyone know why she and her son were so estranged?
|by I STAN||reply 57||Last Thursday at 7:59 PM|
The infamous Blackglama ad catches Missy mid SHIT!
|by I STAN||reply 58||Last Thursday at 8:21 PM|
I loved Barbara Stanwyck in "The Thorn Birds" and I thought she pulled off the role of Mary Carson expertly. Obviously the Emmy voters agreed, and gave her an Emmy for it.
|by I STAN||reply 59||Last Thursday at 8:25 PM|
Her naturalistic style made her harder to imitate, her accent wasn't exaggerated and the few repetitive physical ticks of hers that I noticed weren't very pronounced. I would say that while it garnered her authenticity in her craft, it took away from her longevity as a pop culture icon. I don't think much of the younger generations know who she is, only the movie buffs and people that don't shy away from "old movies". I'm an 80's baby myself, and my only friend who has watched one of her movies did it in film class at her Uni. Mario Cantone, though, does a great imitation of her with her Thorn Birds-era voice, lisp and all: "I was treated like a leperous because I liked eating pusshay!"
|by I STAN||reply 60||Last Thursday at 9:07 PM|
R57 We'll have to wait for Victoria Wilson's 2nd volume of her Stanwyck biography to hear Dion's side of the story. She apparently sought him out, sorta befriended him and interviewed him for the book over the course of several years.
|by I STAN||reply 61||Last Friday at 2:02 AM|
r54 It's true Stanwyck and Crawford carried on a well-publicized friendship throughout their lives -- a rarity among Hollywood stars of their caliber. They had a lot in common, starting out in the 20s at the bottom of society and rising in a man's world through willpower and talents in various areas.
By the 60s, the steely Stanwyck apparently had grown weary of Crawford's phony Hollywood ways and let her have it in a secretly taped recording, with a duplicitous journalist egging her on. The occasion was after a drunken Crawford had made a disgrace of herself at a White House reception for a Supreme Court justice and his young bride.
Juicy stuff from Missy. Makes me feel a bit sorry for Joanie, who apparently had no real friends in Hollywood.
|by I STAN||reply 62||Last Friday at 2:45 AM|
R62 I'd say Missy is quite drunk herself in those Eder tapes. Good for her. I hope she didn't drop her dentures into her drink...
|by I STAN||reply 63||Last Friday at 2:57 AM|
I can see Barbara Stanwyck in the Helen Lawson role in Valley of the Dolls. She would've killed it.
|by I STAN||reply 64||Last Friday at 3:47 AM|
R62, I listened to that a long time ago. I recall Stanwyck being snarky about Crawford's disingenuous behavior to Eder, but when did she confront Crawford to her face about it?
Btw, this is NOT a thread about Joan Fucking Crawford, ya queens!
|by I STAN||reply 65||Last Friday at 4:33 AM|
[quote]Anyone know why she and her son were so estranged?
We don't know all the facts, but Stanwyck was raised in a miserably unloving environment, shuttled to a series of foster homes after her father abandoned the family. After she and Frank Fay separated, she fought ferociously for custody of their adopted son, but once he was of school age, she placed him in a military boarding school and rarely spent time with him, except for holidays. All the other boys at school went back home to their parents on weekends, but little Dion stayed alone at school. The headmaster and his wife began to look after him because they felt so sorry for the child.
Interestingly, Stanwyck made a 1937 weeper at Fox called 'Always Goodbye' in which she played a woman who gives her newborn son up for adoption and then meets the boy several years later. Her character learns that the boy's prospective new stepmother is going to send him away to military school, and says something on the order of , "How could anyone to that to a child?'
Yet that is exactly what Stanwyck herself did to her own adopted child. The irony was apparently lost on her.
|by I STAN||reply 66||Last Friday at 6:25 AM|
I luv Missy's shoulder-padded, missy-embroidered sweater. I think I'm gonna make myself one.
|by I STAN||reply 67||Last Friday at 6:26 AM|
R66, After Stanwyck was awarded custody of Dion, Frank Fay attempted to kidnap him with the assistance of a member of Stanwyck's household staff. The staff member had second thoughts and alerted Stanwyck of Fay's plan and it was thwarted.
|by I STAN||reply 68||Last Friday at 6:32 AM|
This may have been already stated, but there are long standing rumors that Stanwyck and Agnes Moorehead were two of the all time great dykes of Hollywood. If true I can see why she was close to Crawford who was also rumored to have the occasional dalliance with other broads.
|by I STAN||reply 69||Last Friday at 6:37 AM|
"I don't think much of the younger generations know who she is"
R60, much of the younger generations don't know who a lot of people are, because they're incurious and ignorant and only choose to know people of their own generations. Growing up, I would be ashamed of the proud ignorance displayed by these younger fools.
|by I STAN||reply 70||Last Friday at 6:40 AM|
[quote] Growing up, I would be ashamed of the proud ignorance displayed by these younger fools.
Truer words have rarely been spoken.
|by I STAN||reply 71||Last Friday at 6:51 AM|
|by I STAN||reply 72||Last Friday at 11:52 AM|
I'm forever grateful that my mother loved old movies and watched them on TV when I was a child, so I grew up with Barbara Stanwyck and her contemporaries. I'm no longer shocked that most people I meet are happily ignorant of everything that happened before they were born, but I do feel so sorry for them.
|by I STAN||reply 73||Last Friday at 12:19 PM|
Barbara Stanwyck and Barbara Streisand graduated from Erasmus Hall High School on Flatbush Aveenue. Stanwyck lived on Bedford Avenue, Streisand on Newkirk Avenue.
|by I STAN||reply 74||Last Friday at 12:26 PM|
I was born in the 90s and grew up in a family that loved classic movies and old Hollywood, I know people my age who refuse to watch black and white movies - imagine being that narrow-minded and boring. Same goes with "foreign" movies with subtitles, some people avoid them like the plague for some reason.
But then again, you couldn't pay me to watch a Marvel movie so maybe I'm biased too lol.
|by I STAN||reply 75||Last Friday at 12:29 PM|
R72 How old is she in that photo? She looks underage. I wonder how she kept that bod for so long, chain-smoking? How did they work out in those days? Beside Tennis and swimming. I know Gloria Swanson and a few others were into yoga and a healthy diet even back then, but I bet Stanwyck didn't give a damn about downward facing dogs and kale smoothies.
|by I STAN||reply 76||Last Friday at 12:55 PM|
Stanwyck was a lifelong heavy smoker, she died from COPD. I think she also drank, esp. in her later years. A lot of those old Hollywood broads turned to booze. Crawford, Davis, Dietrich, etc.
|by I STAN||reply 77||Last Friday at 1:00 PM|
She’s great... but no Bette Davis
|by I STAN||reply 78||Last Friday at 1:09 PM|
Thank the lords our senses allow us to watch and hear the movies, but not smell them. It's almost like that "You should never meet your heroes" phrase, all those Hollywood legends/nicotine-addicts' mouths probably stank to high heaven.
|by I STAN||reply 79||Last Friday at 1:11 PM|
So did I, r74!
|by I STAN||reply 80||Last Friday at 1:13 PM|
Why on earth did she and Frank Fay adopt a child? Neither one of them was parent material. As for Stanwyck's relationship with him...well, she pretty much ignored him He later said she would only hug him when there was a photographer was there to take a picture of it. I guess she thought adopting a child would be a good career move. Anyway, she was even less interested in him as he grew up and lost any cuteness he had as a small child. When he became an adult she had no relationship with him at all. I feel pretty sorry for poor Dion.Being the adopted child of a famous person is sometimes not all it's cracked up to be.
|by I STAN||reply 81||Last Friday at 1:14 PM|
That was when she was a Ziegfeld chorus girl, r76. She WAS Phyllis!
|by I STAN||reply 82||Last Friday at 1:31 PM|
Oh, no, no, r78. To quote: "She may never have been as good as Davis at her best, but she was never as bad as Davis at her worst. In fact, she never gave a bad performance."
|by I STAN||reply 83||Last Friday at 1:34 PM|
It's a sign of true charisma, when one manages to dance like a white girl with a mullet and a pair of tiny tits, and still COMMAND the screen.
|by I STAN||reply 84||Last Friday at 1:40 PM|
|by I STAN||reply 85||Last Friday at 1:45 PM|
Mr. Capra described her as having "a stern beauty".
|by I STAN||reply 86||Last Friday at 1:49 PM|
Yes, it was odd that she adopted a child. She had zero maternal instincts and was psychologically damaged from her horrible childhood. She was a very stern, cold woman her entire life. Definitely not mother material.
In her later years, when Katharine Hepburn was asked if she regretted never having children, she said not for a minute because she knew she would've been a shit mother. She made no excuses.
|by I STAN||reply 87||Last Friday at 3:29 PM|
|by I STAN||reply 88||Last Friday at 5:11 PM|
About 95% of celebrities should never have children.
|by I STAN||reply 89||Last Friday at 5:18 PM|
The most dispiriting thing about Stanwyck is she was a hard-right politically active Republican.
Wiki: "Stanwyck opposed the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt. She felt that if someone from her disadvantaged background had risen to success, others should be able to prosper without government intervention or assistance. For Stanwyck, "hard work with the prospect of rich reward was the American way". Stanwyck became an early member of the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals (MPA) after its founding in 1944. The mission of this group was to "... combat ... subversive methods [used in the industry] to undermine and change the American way of life." It opposed both communist and fascist influences in Hollywood. She publicly supported the investigations of the House Un-American Activities Committee, her husband Robert Taylor appearing to testify as a friendly witness. Stanwyck shared conservative Republican affiliation with such contemporaries as: Mary Pickford, Walt Disney, Hedda Hopper, Randolph Scott, Robert Young, Ward Bond, William Holden, Ginger Rogers, Jimmy Stewart, George Murphy, Gary Cooper, Bing Crosby, John Wayne, Walter Brennan, Shirley Temple, Bob Hope, Adolphe Menjou, Helen Hayes, director Frank Capra, and her Double Indemnity co-star, Fred MacMurray."
|by I STAN||reply 90||Last Friday at 5:20 PM|
Sorry, Wrong Number
|by I STAN||reply 91||Last Saturday at 3:12 AM|
R87, Ginger Rogers said the same thing when asked later in her life while promoting her autobiography if she regretted not having had children.
|by I STAN||reply 92||Last Saturday at 4:26 AM|
R90, I knew she was a Republican but in her case I don't care. It was a different time and her politics came from her horrible childhood, having been abandoned and having to survive completely on her own at a very young age with no one to help her.
As for the comparison to Bette Davis, Davis could never have been as sexy and subtle as Stanwyck in DOUBLE INDEMNITY, nor as witty as Stanwyck in THE LADY EVE. Stanwyck had a natural quality Davis never had.
|by I STAN||reply 93||Last Saturday at 6:48 AM|
Good point, r93. The Republican Party back in those days was very different from what the modern Republican Party is.
|by I STAN||reply 94||Last Saturday at 7:03 AM|
Agreed about Davis ^. I always liked her but after I got familiar with her affectations in speech and body movements, it's been more and more difficult for me to sit through her movies. I always give up less than an hour in. It's become an annoyance, and her schticks don't always fit the character. If I have to choose, I choose Stanwyck.
|by I STAN||reply 95||Last Saturday at 7:04 AM|
R13, since you asked, Katharine Hepburn is my favorite screen actress from that era. My favorite all-time screen actor was and is Brando.
|by I STAN||reply 96||Last Saturday at 7:04 AM|
Bette couldn't do comedy. Although she could be witty and funny as Bette.
|by I STAN||reply 97||Last Saturday at 7:07 AM|
Bette was witty and funny as her old broad self on all those 60's-70's-80's talk shows. I don't recall watching her play funny on film. I have a feeling Missy was the polar opposite, she could do funny like the best of 'em while in character, but she strikes me as a shy, composed person that could probably truly relax and let her wit run only among her closest friends. Just guessing y'all.
|by I STAN||reply 98||Last Saturday at 7:14 AM|
Stanwyck was fairly reclusive and didn't have much of a social life. She rarely did interviews or public appearances. When she wasn't working, she just holed up in her house.
|by I STAN||reply 99||Last Saturday at 7:25 AM|
Not the best (who is), but one of the best. I love her final I never loved you Walter speach in Double Indemnity. Few actresses then would have doe it dead pan.
R83, almost agree, but Stella Dallas is terrible. You almost can watch it in mute.
|by I STAN||reply 100||Last Saturday at 7:34 AM|
Frank Capra was a Republican? That one does shock me!
|by I STAN||reply 101||Last Saturday at 7:36 AM|
I kinda like the fact she was a loner. Here's a long interview she did on the set of The Big Valley. It's got some interesting stuff, if you can endure the video quality.
|by I STAN||reply 102||Last Saturday at 7:36 AM|
R100, no one could have made STELLA DALLAS any better. It's just a terrible movie, full of contemptible female masochism and class prejudice. But I believe it was a big hit for her.
|by I STAN||reply 103||Last Saturday at 7:46 AM|
It is hard to reconcile what seems to have been a universal affection for her by crew and most cast members with her more distant relationships away from work. Like with her son. Maybe she didn’t know how away from work, which seemed the center of her life.
|by I STAN||reply 104||Last Saturday at 8:11 AM|
[quote]almost agree, but Stella Dallas is terrible. You almost can watch it in mute.
Watch the Bette Midler version. You'll think the original is a masterpiece.
|by I STAN||reply 105||Last Saturday at 8:18 AM|
Though her estrangement from her son was definitely a shame, there were a lot of very poor parents among her colleagues--Crawford, the child-beating Bing Crosby, even Bette Davis, to name a few. Not to excuse it.
But she did have a stellar reputation with everyone who worked with her. She always made sure to praise and thank her crews with every award she received, and she singlehandedly saved William Holden's career when he was nearly fired from GOLDEN BOY. He said without her support, he would have been washed up before he even started.
|by I STAN||reply 106||Last Saturday at 8:25 AM|
LOL, R105, I'm sure you're right, but I'll pass on Bette's version. If Stanwyck couldn't sell that moldy old Olive Higgins Prouty story, no. one could.
|by I STAN||reply 107||Last Saturday at 8:28 AM|
She seemed a bit grand with the "Miss Barbara Stanwyck" billing on The Big Valley and certainly she didn't really get to show much range in her tv rolles on that show and Thorn Birds.
The closest thing to a male counterpart in terms of naturalism was probably Spencer Tracy. he appeared effortless and could play a range of things from light comedy to serious drama.
Capra was a red baiting, McCarthyite SOB as well as a hasbeen by the end of WWII.
|by I STAN||reply 108||Last Saturday at 1:01 PM|
r106, Bette was a poor parent because she spoiled BD rotten.
|by I STAN||reply 109||Last Saturday at 1:39 PM|
She is so modern and likeable in The Lady Eve and Henry Fonda is dreamy on it as well great film!
|by I STAN||reply 110||Last Saturday at 1:47 PM|
R109, while I despise that cunt BD Hyman and believe Davis had every right to disinherit her ass, I don't have trouble believing some of the stories of Bette being drunk, manipulative, nasty, etc.
R110, THE LADY EVE is maybe the best Preston Sturges comedy and Stanwyck was never more charming and funny than in that.
|by I STAN||reply 111||Last Saturday at 1:49 PM|
The Lady Eve holds up to this day. I remember watching it years ago for the first time and couldn't believe how funny it was. It's definitely Preston Sturges' best film and the greatest screwball comedy of all time (alongside Bringing Up Baby, It Happened One Night and His Girl Friday).
|by I STAN||reply 112||Last Saturday at 2:44 PM|
Does anyone believe Stanwyck would have been a better mother to Dion if he had been biological and not adopted?
|by I STAN||reply 113||Last Saturday at 2:59 PM|
Not to hijack this thread, but to the list of lousy Hollywood parents, add Norma Shearer, Mary Astor and Mary Pickford.
|by I STAN||reply 114||Last Saturday at 3:28 PM|
Sorry, r93 ad r94. Stanwyck wasn't a everyday Republican. She and her husband actively participated in the blacklist, helping to ruin the lives of may of their colleagues. Taylor actually pushed for a blacklist before it was official,. I don't give Stanwyck pass because she was a great actress.
Add yes, she would have voted for Trump.
|by I STAN||reply 115||Last Saturday at 5:00 PM|
R115/R90, you're entitled to hate the way Stanwyck voted and expressed her political views. As those are described here, I find them hateful too.
But I still love to watch her work as an actor. That's the extent of my relationship with her, so it's not as if I'm supporting her political activities by enjoying her movies -- she's been dead for years, she's not even receiving royalties when TCM plays her stuff.
|by I STAN||reply 116||Last Saturday at 5:25 PM|
Stanwyck had a harsh upbringing and Frank Fay was a nasty drunk. Fay bears some of the responsibility for her son's estrangement. Stanwyck was more able to be warm and interested with crews and fellow cast members because she didn't have to see them after the day was over. She wouldn't be the first person to be more appropriate in her relationships with outsiders than with her family. I never got the impression that she kept up with her sibs.
|by I STAN||reply 117||Last Saturday at 5:28 PM|
See the superb Gene Krupa on the drums ... from "Ball of Fire".
|by I STAN||reply 118||Last Saturday at 6:01 PM|
R113 Yeah, maybe. I once read one of the interviews she did with Photoplay (or some other movie magazine of the time) when she was still married to Taylor, they asked her if she's with child (don't remember why) and she replied with something to the effect of "Are you kidding? I'd be screaming it from my rooftop if I was". It could be a fake interview, but if it wasn't, I find it heartbreaking. She must have known she had her parts fucked up long before.
|by I STAN||reply 119||Last Saturday at 8:59 PM|
Perhaps she was infertile because of a botched illegal abortion. That happened to a lot of women in that era.
|by I STAN||reply 120||Last Saturday at 9:03 PM|
Yes, she presumably had it in her teens.
|by I STAN||reply 121||Last Saturday at 9:06 PM|
I love Stany, imo, she is the best of the golden age of Hollywood. I'm a huge Kate Hepburn fan, love Davis and Crawford but Stanwyck is the most natural, least mannered actress, much more versatile than anybody the other actresses. She also has at least one classic movie in each genre which no other actress achieved.
|by I STAN||reply 122||Last Saturday at 9:20 PM|
R122, What was her classic western?
|by I STAN||reply 123||Last Saturday at 10:38 PM|
Another seldom shown Stanwyck film is "Jeopardy", with Barry Sullivan.
|by I STAN||reply 124||Last Saturday at 10:44 PM|
R123, I'm not R122 but I know the answer to your question: "The Furies" (1950). Sounds too violent for me so I've never seen it.
|by I STAN||reply 125||Last Saturday at 10:55 PM|
Annie Oakley (1935)
|by I STAN||reply 126||Last Sunday at 2:56 AM|
R125 and R126, Those two are not a classic westerns. Examples of classic westerns are "Stagecoach", "Red River" and "Shane".
|by I STAN||reply 127||Last Sunday at 2:59 AM|
Check out this Oscar bait
|by I STAN||reply 128||Last Sunday at 3:25 AM|
r127 They may not be considered "classic westerns" because they have a female protagonist instead of a swaggering male star a la John Wayne. But Annie Oakley and The Furies are excellent Hollywood classics in their own right.
|by I STAN||reply 129||Last Sunday at 3:49 AM|
Had Stanwyck been a couple of decades younger I think she would have made a very convincing and moving Dorothy in "The Golden Girls".
|by I STAN||reply 130||Last Sunday at 3:59 AM|
Read somewhere Missy and Susan Hayward were pals. When Hayward had a stroke Stanwyck use to visit and push her around in her wheelchair. Birds of a feather.
|by I STAN||reply 131||Last Sunday at 4:58 AM|
When did Hayward have a stroke?
|by I STAN||reply 132||Last Sunday at 5:12 AM|
Both from Brooklyn.
|by I STAN||reply 133||Last Sunday at 5:14 AM|
R14 - I have most of Stanwyck's films but I can't say that I know what you are referring to. Can you give an example in a specific film please and I will check my copy.
|by I STAN||reply 134||Last Sunday at 5:19 AM|
She never got to do a great, classic western like "High Noon" or the overrated "The Searchers", but she did countless B Westerns like "Cattle Queen of Montana " (with Ronald Reagan). The A list Westerns rarely had good parts for women.
|by I STAN||reply 135||Last Sunday at 5:24 AM|
Well, the Furies was directed by Anthony Mann and co stared Walter Houston. Don’t forget about Gilbert Roland! Maybe not remembered like Shane, or other A - Westerns, but still very good. Forty Guns is a B Western.
|by I STAN||reply 136||Last Sunday at 5:38 AM|
Excited Criterion is putting The Lady Eve out onto bluray in July - they should spruce up a more obscure Stanwyck gem though. She has so many buried treasures. TCM played Douglas Sirk's There's Always Tomorrow recently and she's got a tearjerker scene near the end of it that is a total knockout.
|by I STAN||reply 137||Last Sunday at 6:02 AM|
[R42]: I saw “The Other Love” several times, after taping it off local TV in New York, which used to show many now obscure older films. However, I confess to watching it more to listen to the score by Miklos Rozsa, which is florid, typical of his work, but very good.
Nevertheless, I was taken over time by Stanwyck’s performance. She plays a well-to-do party girl who comes down with TB, and goes to an Alpine clinic, where idealistic, if pallid doctor David Niven falls for her. Ever in denial, Stanwyck keeps fighting her disease; after a mild remission she even flees back to her former life of fun. But her illness comes back, and she ends up back with Niven, though maybe an uncertain end.
And Stanwyck pulls this off. The inner restlessness of those seemingly well, but knowing something inside them is slowly destroying them. There was a lot of this in the early days of AIDS when I watched this. And now, again, there are those fleeing an unseen ill. And who can blame them?
Despite the melodramatic material, I wonder who else could actually do this believably. Davis is very dramatic in a similar vehicle, “Dark Victory,” but not gut-wrenching. Stanwyck makes you squirm in empathy.
|by I STAN||reply 138||Last Sunday at 6:17 AM|
Is volume 2 of the Stanwyck bio ever going to come out?
|by I STAN||reply 139||Last Sunday at 6:22 AM|
R132, Susan Hayward suffered from a brain tumor. She would have seizures, but she never stroked out.
At her last public appearance, presenting an Oscar with Charlton Heston to Glenda Jackson, her doctor was backstage and he injected her with something to prevent a seizure prior to taking the stage on Heston's arm.
|by I STAN||reply 140||Last Sunday at 6:50 AM|
I hope that the second volume of the Stanwyck biography corrects the information about Stanwyck's father, Byron Stevens.
I've read various stories, many claiming his children never heard from him again. The story was that he went off to work on the Panama Canal after his wife was killed in an accident in 1911 and never returned. I read somewhere (can't remember where) that some family members (his son? nephews? ??) went to Panama to try to find out what had happened to him and someone told them that he had died but they did not know where he was buried.
The truth is:
Yes, Byron Stevens did go and worked on the Panama Canal. Records show he started there in 1913.
He was returning to New York about the SS Advance sailing from Cristobal, Canal Zone on June 5, 1919, due to arrive in New York on June 13, 1919.
Information on the ship's manifest matches that of Stanwyck's father and he listed his address in the United States as "2586 Bedford Ave, Brooklyn, NY." This is the exact same address that is listed on the 1920 US Census as the address of 3 of his children including 13 year old "Rubie"
Since this is not the address that he gave when he left for Panama, nor was it the family address on the 1910 census, perhaps he was in touch with his family while in Panama. (How else did he have the correct address?)
Unfortunately, Byron Stevens died at sea (June 5, 1919) before the ship arrived in New York.
One would think that the steamship company would have notified the family of his death.
|by I STAN||reply 141||Last Sunday at 8:47 AM|
[quote] ... The story was that he went off to work on the Panama Canal after his wife was killed in an accident in 1911 and never returned.
R141, I hope he didn't blame his wife for never returning after she suffered a fatal accident.
|by I STAN||reply 142||Last Sunday at 8:55 AM|
Barbara's pregnant mother was pushed off a streetcar by a drunk man and died on the pavement. Her father left the family and Barbara and her younger brother were in and out of foster homes after that. She never finished school and worked a series of menial jobs, beginning when she was around 12 or 13. Her childhood was horrific, it's no wonder she was a rather cold and stern woman in her adult life.
|by I STAN||reply 143||Last Sunday at 9:03 AM|
Note: While Stanwyck was pro HUAC, she had the sense not to get too involved. It was her dippy husband Robert Taylor that testified and named names, two of which were actors that didn't worked again for decades based on Taylor's innuendo (no hard facts).
To the person who claimed Stanwyck graduated from the same HS as Streisand, Erasmus Hall, the fact is that Stanwyck never graduated from HS. There's conflicting info, but some have written that she dropped out of school before HS.
As for the Robert Wagner story, I'm inclined to believe it was a one night stand. Wagner WAS her type - she favored callow youths such as Wagner, Taylor and Farley Granger. That's only for men, of course.
To everybody, yes, Stanwyck couldn't have children because of an illegal abortion. ALL abortions at that time usually caused infertility, they didn't have to be "botched."
|by I STAN||reply 144||Last Sunday at 12:14 PM|
50's teleprompter is giving Missy the wandering eye
|by I STAN||reply 145||Last Monday at 8:37 AM|
Stanwyck in character introduced several of her films in voice over after the titles - she was exceptionally good at it.
From East Side West Side (1949)
"Yes, this is my town. It's not new to you, you've read books about it, you've seen movies. People are always talking about New York. It's the most exciting city in the world they say, the most glamorous, the most frightening, and above all - the fastest. You hear a great deal about the tempo of the city, its speed, its pace, its driving heartbeat. Perhaps it's true for visitors. But I was born here, I live here, and the only pace I know is of my own life. The only beat I hear is the beat of my own heart."
|by I STAN||reply 146||Last Monday at 11:44 AM|
R146, That film had quite the cast:
Barbara Stanwyck, James Mason, Van Heflin, Ava Gardner, Gale Sondergaard, Cyd Charisse, William Frawley, Nancy Davis and William Conrad.
|by I STAN||reply 147||Last Monday at 3:21 PM|
I have a copy of "East Side, West Side" and have watched it more than once.
I particularly love the scene toward the end when James Mason goes to see Gale Sondergaard for her help and her response.
But the scene was great.
|by I STAN||reply 148||Last Monday at 4:31 PM|
Sondergaard was only 8 years older than Missy.
|by I STAN||reply 149||Last Monday at 4:34 PM|
R49, In the scene where Stanwyck retrieves her confused young sons after they ran away to her mother’s house, Stanwyck delivers a heartbreaking monologue.
|by I STAN||reply 150||Last Monday at 4:39 PM|
She did the same damn thing in All I Desire (1953) when she explains why she left the family to the young son who doesn't remember her!
|by I STAN||reply 151||Last Monday at 4:51 PM|
Barbara made some great potboilers.
|by I STAN||reply 152||Last Monday at 5:00 PM|
Barbara and Bette Davis in the late 70s. They apparently didn't like each other.
|by I STAN||reply 153||Last Monday at 5:04 PM|
Bette was in Wild Bill Wellman's 1932 version of Edna Ferber's SO BIG, which starred Stanwyck. Bette, who was not yet a star, acted like a diva during the shoot and Stanwyck called her out. Through the years, Stanwyck called/wrote when she admired a Davis performance; Davis kept mum.
|by I STAN||reply 154||Last Monday at 5:14 PM|
R153, Barbara looks fresh as a daisy there, while Bette is wearing a wig, hat and tinted glasses.
And Barbara was a year older than Bette.
|by I STAN||reply 155||Last Monday at 5:29 PM|
Bette didn't age well at all. She got really haggard-looking.
|by I STAN||reply 156||Last Monday at 5:44 PM|
EVERYBODY gets haggard looking, R156, even you. If one lays off the booze and the cigs (Davis and Stany did NOT), one might look less aged with good plastic surgery (like Stanwyck's). Otherwise, exercising and keeping fit as possible at that age (see Stany, not Davis), will give you a better/younger appearance. Note that does not mean keeping as thin a possible - too thin at 35 looks good, too thin at 65 will make you look haggard.
|by I STAN||reply 157||Last Monday at 5:55 PM|
I watched her play the lesbian pimp in Walk on the Wild Side, bitch slapping Cappucine. She was awesome.
|by I STAN||reply 158||Last Monday at 5:57 PM|
Great color footage of Stanwyck and MacMurray during the making of "There's Always Tomorrow" (1956) . She has silver hair and looks fabulous.
There's also footage of Ann Blyth's wedding, which is a DL classic and deserves another thread all its own.
|by I STAN||reply 159||Last Monday at 6:00 PM|
R147 - you forgot Beverly Michaels. She has a hilarous fight scene with Van Heflin.
|by I STAN||reply 160||Last Monday at 6:06 PM|
A very strange tour of Stanwyck's empty house.
|by I STAN||reply 161||Last Monday at 6:08 PM|
^ Stanwyck didn't live with Robert Taylor in this house. She lived with Marion Marx, "wife" of Zeppo Marx.
|by I STAN||reply 162||Last Monday at 6:11 PM|
r157 Davis aged terribly.
|by I STAN||reply 163||Last Monday at 6:43 PM|
Bette Davis (and Joan Crawford, for that matter) aged prematurely due to drinking and heavy smoking. I don't know if Joan got any work done (I assume she did) but Bette had at least one facelift. Anyway, plastic surgery didn't seem to do them much good. Their excesses really made them look like old, haggard women even when they weren't that old.
|by I STAN||reply 164||Last Monday at 7:19 PM|
R155: Stanwyck looks like she's had too much plastic surgery in that pic, along with troweled-on makeup. Davis aged a lot in her 40s. Stanwyck went more gradually but was looking old in her 50s.
|by I STAN||reply 165||Last Monday at 7:29 PM|
Stanwyck also drank and smoked, but maybe Bette and Joan smoked more. This photo is Bette Davis at age 62. She really aged like hell.
|by I STAN||reply 166||Last Monday at 7:54 PM|
She looked great when she received her honorary Oscar in 1982, with that Nolan Miller gown. Her face looks completely line-free, I'm sure plastic surgery helped because her neck is sort of sagging. Even back in Double Indemnity she already had streaks across her neck, I noticed them when "Wolter" grabs her in his apartment and they have this little talk about bourbon and a perfume from Ensenada.
|by I STAN||reply 167||Last Monday at 8:57 PM|
R166, That was taken on the set of the television series "It Takes a Thief" when she guest starred in 1968. Bette was 60.
|by I STAN||reply 168||Last Monday at 10:03 PM|
Who hasn't wanted to do like Barbara a few hundred times?
|by I STAN||reply 169||Last Monday at 11:23 PM|
The greatest of all time? Heavens no. Glad you enjoy her but many were better.
|by I STAN||reply 170||Last Monday at 11:24 PM|
I saw her in an old 70s ghost story called "The House that would Not Die". Its cheesy but I love it!
|by I STAN||reply 171||Yesterday at 12:31 AM|
"I don't know if Joan got any work done"
You're so funny!
|by I STAN||reply 172||Yesterday at 2:26 AM|
[quote] ... many were better.
Name some, R170. Not challenging your assertion, just interested in your opinion.
|by I STAN||reply 173||a day ago|
Hillary Clinton's personality and public persona always reminded me of Barbara Stanwyck at her butchiest.
|by I STAN||reply 174||a day ago|
Stanwyck looked great pretty much up to the end.
|by I STAN||reply 175||a day ago|
This 1981 incident had to be incredibly frightening for her . . .
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. -- Actress Barbara Stanwyck was awakened by a robber, hit on the head with an unknown object then forced into a closet while the intruder ransacked the house and got away with $5,000 worth of jewels.
Miss Stanwyck, 74, was treated for minor head wounds at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and released following the incident early Tuesday.
'Stanwyck was awakened by a man standing in her bedroom door who wanted to know where her jewelry and purse were,' Lt. Russ Olsen said Wednesday.
Investigators said the prowler probably entered the exclusive Trousdale Estates home through a broken window.
As Miss Stanwyck reached out to turn on a light, she told officers, the intruder hit her with a blunt object, put her in a closet, grabbed a small amount of jewelry from the bedroom and fled.
Miss Stanwyck said the suspect was about 6-2 and 200 pounds, and appeared to be wearing a ski mask.
'She did not have any other description because of the darkness,' Lt. Russ Olsen said.
Miss Stanwyck, who starred for several years in 'The Big Valley' television series, was nominated four times for the best actress Oscar for the movies 'Sorry, Wrong Number,' 'Double Indemnity,' 'Ball of Fire' and 'Stella Dallas.'
|by I STAN||reply 176||21 hours ago|
I love how she says "add water, ehem, cold water" with that accent of hers.
|by I STAN||reply 177||20 hours ago|
"Glad you enjoy her but many were better."
I AM challenging you. Name a few. That means screen actresses.
|by I STAN||reply 178||19 hours ago|
^^God, that coffee sounds awful :(
|by I STAN||reply 179||19 hours ago|
Many were NOT better. I'm with R178 in challenging that fool assertion.
|by I STAN||reply 180||19 hours ago|
I don't know if she was the best, but you know a Barbara Stanwyck picture was going to be good. She always gave a great performance.
|by I STAN||reply 181||18 hours ago|
It certainly does, R179. Did people actually drink that shit that passed for coffee?
|by I STAN||reply 182||18 hours ago|
Barbara wants you to smoke L&Ms. Oh don't worry, these cigarettes are recommended by DOCTORS!
|by I STAN||reply 183||18 hours ago|
I hope no doctors actually endorsed those cigarettes, but I have a feeling a few might have taken the money and done just that.
|by I STAN||reply 184||18 hours ago|
"More doctors smoke Camel than any other cigarette."
I know that when I think of a "healthy cigarette," I think of unfiltered Camels!
|by I STAN||reply 185||18 hours ago|
Who was better? Bette Davis. Katherine Hepburn. Luise Reiner. Greta Garbo. Geraldine Page. Vivien Leigh. Meryl Streep. Cate Blanchett. Ingrid Bergman. Maggie Smith. I like Stanwyck, but given the choice I'd choose movies from any of these actresses before her.
|by I STAN||reply 186||16 hours ago|
Darling, R186, OF HER GENERATION. I would say she was a much more natural, less artificial actress than Davis. And I would exclude from that list Rainer and Garbo.
And it's Katharine, not Katherine.
|by I STAN||reply 187||16 hours ago|
R186, Not Crawford?
|by I STAN||reply 188||15 hours ago|
R186, of the actresses that you list -- Bette Davis, Katherine Hepburn, Luise Reiner [sic -- Rainer], Greta Garbo, Geraldine Page, Vivien Leigh, Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchett, Ingrid Bergman, Maggie Smith -- I love Davis, Hepburn, Garbo, Leigh, Bergman, and Smith (I'm not sufficiently familiar with Rainer, Page, Streep, and Blanchett to have an opinion). But I don't consider any of the ones I love to be better than Stanwyck, simply because Stanwyck was so versatile and gave such a natural performance in every kind of role she approached. All of the others had occasional weak spots, but I've never seen that with Stanwyck.
|by I STAN||reply 189||15 hours ago|
Crawford, R188? Oh, my sides!!!
|by I STAN||reply 190||15 hours ago|
I agree that Stanwyck was enjoyable to watch and a naturalistic actress. Yes, Davis and Hepburn could both be more mannered. But they both gave a series of outstanding performances that I just don't find in the Stanwyck canon.
|by I STAN||reply 191||15 hours ago|
She was natural in her style and could play a range of roles, but could not inhabit a role in the way of people who came after her or even some of her near contemporaries. She could never have done Blanche in Streetcar, for example. She wouldn't have been as good in Golden Boy if, instead of William Holden, they had cast someone more appropriate like John Garfield. She was not someone who could straddle lead and character actor like Shirley Booth, who was of her era (actually even older) but had a career closer to what actresses had in the future., although mostly on the stage.
Geraldine Page is a terrible comparison--she was very stagey and a bit histrionic in film---good in something like "Sweet Bird of Youth" but positively nauseating in "Trip to Bountiful" Oscar win aside.
|by I STAN||reply 192||13 hours ago|
R183, you nitwit. Stanwyck ADVERTISED L&Ms, she didn't actually SMOKE them.
R186, Geraldine Page??? Meryl Streep??? Let me guess, you're under thirty and very very dump and dopey.
|by I STAN||reply 193||13 hours ago|
r193 Stanwyck was a heavy smoker IRL, maybe she did smoke L&Ms.
|by I STAN||reply 194||13 hours ago|
Geraldine Page is great! Not a lot of screen credits, but Sweet Bird Of Youth is a gem!
|by I STAN||reply 195||11 hours ago|
Stanwyck was at her best when cast opposite actors who were weaker than her in their charisma and/or physical presence. She was so good in dominating the screen that she sucked all of the attention towards her, like those prison guards in Harry Potter. I think maybe she COULD play Blanche DuBois if she was a little younger when the movie was made. Her being 44 at the time might have been age appropriate for the role, but from 1950 on she seemed to truly embrace her butch side. Before, she could do that kind of vulnerable, deranged, delicate female, though usually not cast as one. I guess producers and audiences liked her better when she played strong, independent women. I’m pretty sure she couldn’t pull of a southern accent though (which Viv did quite well). It would be interesting to watch Stanwyck play opposite other scene-stealers like Garfield and Brando.
|by I STAN||reply 196||11 hours ago|
Bette Davis would've been a good Blanche Dubois. She was the right age at the time.
|by I STAN||reply 197||11 hours ago|
R197, that is ridiculous. Davis had none of the vulnerability to play Blanche. Not for one minute.
R192, your assertion that the miscasting of Holden in GOLDEN BOY made her more palatable in her role than if Garfield had been cast makes no sense. In general, you state she was incapable of inhabiting a role when practically no actress then "inhabited" a role the way they did, years later, during the Actors Studio heyday. It was also a very different time, with a vey different approach to acting and character.
|by I STAN||reply 198||10 hours ago|
Davis could play vulnerable r198.
|by I STAN||reply 199||10 hours ago|
Baby Face is one of the films that helped bring in the Code!
Barbara Stanwyck plays a young girl pimped out by her father, leaves home and learns to use what she has got to get what she needs.
|by I STAN||reply 200||10 hours ago|
This scene was deleted, just too hot for even pre-code Hollywood.
|by I STAN||reply 201||10 hours ago|
Bette Davis, who is my favorite actress of all time, lacked the sex appeal of Viv to play Blanche convincingly. I just don't think Bette was neurotic enough of an actress to do Blanche justice.
Now, she would've been perfect as Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Shame Edward Albee didn't get his wish in the casting for the film adaptation.
|by I STAN||reply 202||10 hours ago|
Baby Face featured a very young John Wayne .....
Barbara Stanwyck wasn't the most attractive woman, but with the right make-up, hair, wardrobe and lighting she was very beautiful.
|by I STAN||reply 203||10 hours ago|
R199, Davis could not play vulnerable, neurotic, sexually predatory, unhinged, mentally ill, and a victim--all the qualities of Blanche. She could play aspects of those qualities, but not all of them all at once. Blanche was not in her wheelhouse. In fact, the only actress who could really embody Blanche was Vivien Leigh. That's not a criticism of Stanwyck. Davis could no more play Blanche than Hepburn or Colbert or Crawford or Ginger Rogers or any other actress of that time.
|by I STAN||reply 204||10 hours ago|
No, I think if given a chance Davis would've been a great Blanche. Jessica Tandy was no beauty either, and she was legendary in the play.
|by I STAN||reply 205||10 hours ago|
Barbara Stanwyck had a "botched" abortion at age 15 which left her sterile. So yes in that respect Ms. Stanwyck was like so many other women in Hollywood or elsewhere for that matter. Jane Russell couldn't have children for pretty much same reason..
|by I STAN||reply 206||10 hours ago|
R205, Davis was in no way similar in temperament to Jessica Tandy. Davis was no more Blanche than Hepburn.
|by I STAN||reply 207||9 hours ago|
Joan Crawford also allegedly had an illegal abortion and that's why she was infertile.
|by I STAN||reply 208||9 hours ago|
No, Davis definitely could've played Blanche. I think Tennessee Williams even wanted her for the film version.
|by I STAN||reply 209||9 hours ago|
So did Davis, R208. So did Garland.
R209, Davis ha no temperament for that part. And I think you're wrong about Williams wanting Davis. Any link for that?
|by I STAN||reply 210||9 hours ago|
Tennessee Williams wrote Blanche with Tallulah Bankhead in mind. I never heard that he wanted Davis in the film version. She would've been all wrong for the role.
|by I STAN||reply 211||9 hours ago|
I think it was William Wyler, who had directed Davis three times, who wanted to make a film of "Streetcar" with her, not Tennessee Williams.
Davis did play Maxine in "The Night of the Iguana" on Broadway. That role was a better fit than Blanche.
|by I STAN||reply 212||9 hours ago|
r210 not every woman became infertile from an illegal abortion, but many did.
|by I STAN||reply 213||9 hours ago|