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My Doctor is Tired of Coronavirus Politicization

Last week I had blood work done at my doctor’s office, and everyone was wearing a mask due to their policy of only allowing people in that were wearing a mask.

Today I have my follow up appointment and no one is wearing a mask. Not the staff at the front desk. Only one patient out of about 10. The sign on the door still says a mask is required, but they are all pretending like the virus doesn’t exist anymore.

I finally see my doctor and he’s not wearing a mask either. He tells me he’s tired of the politicization of the coronavirus and he’s ready to get his freedoms back. My jaw just dropped.

Yes, I live in Georgia.

by Anonymousreply 8405/24/2020

My brother in law is in critical condition with a temp of 106 as I type this.

by Anonymousreply 105/13/2020

R1, I’m very sorry to hear that. A 106 fever is awful.

by Anonymousreply 205/13/2020

OP, if true, I would get a new doctor.

by Anonymousreply 305/13/2020

Soooo even the doctors in Georgia don’t believe in science?

by Anonymousreply 405/13/2020

Doctors are only too human.

Perhaps he ran out of masks and is using this as an excuse, OP?

by Anonymousreply 505/13/2020

Report him to the AMA. Get his license suspended.

by Anonymousreply 605/13/2020

Elevators. Stay out of elevators in doctor's offices. Buttons, no fresh air, just takes one sick person.

by Anonymousreply 705/13/2020

Time for a new doctor. NOW.

by Anonymousreply 805/13/2020

"I gotta be ME,

I GOTTA be MEEEEEEEEEEEEE . . ."

by Anonymousreply 905/13/2020

You live in a Deplorable state, you have to expect this type of thing.

by Anonymousreply 1005/13/2020

I agree R8. I had just fired my last doctor over incompetence not 6 months ago. Now I gotta find a new one, but I haven’t seen a doctor’s office yet that doesn’t have Fox News playing in the background.

by Anonymousreply 1105/13/2020

What were you visiting your doctor for, OP? Must have been pretty urgent...

by Anonymousreply 1205/13/2020

Just out of curiosity is he an Emory affiliated doctor?

by Anonymousreply 1305/13/2020

'First do no harm' dies a literal death in Georgia, I see.

by Anonymousreply 1405/13/2020

R13, not that I’m aware of, no.

by Anonymousreply 1505/13/2020

Happened to me a few weeks back. Before Kemp reopened the state. At first, I was shocked, but it’s Georgia, not NASA or some space station.

I don’t listen to anyone out here has to say. I just wear my masks, wear my gloves, wash my hands often and social distance. Most won’t, because they’re followers and will do whatever their “leaders” or men whom they admire tell them, or because they want to fit in, and be accepted by their peers, or because they think that being prudent is antithetical to their constitutional rights, or because they just don’t give a shit, or because they genuinely dislike wearing a mask, because they think that makes them a follower, or because they don’t like smelling their own breath.

Who cares? Answer: they don’t. So I stopped even considering them or judging them. I do this for me. I am responsible for my health and safety, and I follow facts, science, and numbers. I can not control them nor do I want to. It’s like when you know a bad marriage is over. You stop caring and arguing. It’s done, and that’s OK. I feel nothing about them, and that actually the best place to be about it.

I don’t want anyone to get sick or die, including myself, but I cannot change deeply wedged cultural differences with my fellow Americans, and it’s not my job to do so. Wouldn’t want that job, if it existed, either. It’s impossible to change people like this, but it’s very possible for me to just let the anger go. It’s meaningless.

I’m genuinely being kinder and accepting of my folks. They aren’t into masks or social distancing. I might lose one of them or both. I am hoping that’s not the case, but I’m trying to accept them because this virus has made me highly aware that life is short, and staying angry with them just isn’t changing anything.

It really is what it is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

by Anonymousreply 1605/13/2020

I hope you smacked his face. Smacked his unmasked face viciously!

by Anonymousreply 1705/13/2020

The same thing happened to me in Florida. The lab where I did bloodwork had several regulations, including only allowing people in by appointment, not having more than visitors at a time, and everyone had to wear a facial covering, the staff all had them too. They even had a box of gloves set out for the public to use.

When I went to my doctor’s office the next week, noneof the staff had masks or gloves. Every single person coming in had a mask, but the staff apparently thought they were fine without. CUNTS.

by Anonymousreply 1805/13/2020

* more than FOUR visitors

by Anonymousreply 1905/13/2020

I am sorry to hear that, R1. Best wishes to him.

by Anonymousreply 2005/13/2020

Glad I live in New England.

by Anonymousreply 2105/13/2020

Had nearly the same experience on Monday when I took my mom to get her bloodwork results. I managed to find a box of n95 masks, and that's what she wears when she visits the doctor, I wear a homemade mask. Last week, during her actual labs, everyone was wearing a mask, but on Monday, absolutely none of the nurses, her doctor or receptionist were wearing one, even though the sign at the door says to do so.

Her doctor's office sends a nurse outside to escort patients in after we call the office to check in to reduce the number of people in the building, which I like, but what's the point if none of them follow even their own protocols to wear a mask while interacting with patients? I'm in Oklahoma.

by Anonymousreply 2205/13/2020

Is this your doctor, OP?

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by Anonymousreply 2305/13/2020

And southern and midwestern states are on the upswing of the curve. Fucking unbelievable. Why didn’t you ask the staff why they weren’t wearing masks if their policy said it was required, OP? I sure as hell would have.

by Anonymousreply 2405/13/2020

Did he do your rectal exam without a glove? I assume not because why would he want to follow infection control protocols or science.

by Anonymousreply 2505/13/2020

Wow, OP, that's just awful.

Hell, I'm in Louisiana, and when I showed up for a doctor's appointment this morning, it took all of 30 seconds for the intake staff to look at my symptoms checklist and shuffle me over to what looked like a "time out chair" in the corner of the waiting room, and slap a round blue sticker on my hand (I assume the "3/5" written on it was code for "UNCLEAN! Maybe"). I had to go through a separate door and was ushered into the exam room. When the doctor came in, he was PPE'd from stem to stern; he was very kind apologetic about it all.

I'd imagine such treatment might offend some clients, but I was happy the practice's staff were taking their jobs seriously enough to protect staff as well as patients.

Thank God for Democratic governors, is all I can say.

by Anonymousreply 2605/13/2020

[quote]I haven’t seen a doctor’s office yet that doesn’t have Fox News playing in the background.

My partner's office certainly doesn't. He's a neonatal cardiothoracic surgeon and has three other equally liberal Democrats as his surgical partners.

I'm an attorney and we've been together since college.

OP, I would D E F I N I T E L Y find another primary care physician.

by Anonymousreply 2705/13/2020

R25, I insist on bareback fingering from my doctor. It just feels better.

by Anonymousreply 2805/13/2020

OP: Why go into the doctor's office for bloodwork results that could be discussed over the phone? Why stay after seeing masks and other safe health precautions were not in use?

Little makes sense, OP.

by Anonymousreply 2905/13/2020

I like it, but I’m not hearing alt-country.

by Anonymousreply 3005/13/2020

That belongs in the new Hanson thread.

by Anonymousreply 3105/13/2020

R29, because I was wearing my N95 mask and using hand sanitizer. Doctors won’t give results over the phone so they can charge for a visit.

by Anonymousreply 3205/13/2020

One of my docs in NYC told me I have nothing to worry about (based on what?) and should see my bf and enjoy myself with him!

by Anonymousreply 3305/13/2020

r26 so do you have it?

by Anonymousreply 3405/13/2020

R28 You should get a new doc, much as you might enjoy them.

It’s no longer considered diagnostic - the blood test is more predictive and has been considered best practice for a couple of years now.

by Anonymousreply 3505/13/2020

op, would you prefer if your doctor was dressed like this?

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by Anonymousreply 3605/13/2020

Because it hasn't been said yet. This tale is a little...

Is this an EST?

by Anonymousreply 3705/13/2020

No idea, R34.

I was tele-screened about 4 weeks ago, did the nasal swab 3 Fridays ago; 5 days later they called to say I was negative.

Still, I was feeling terrible. Had a tele-appointmemy last week; the Dr listened as I described how I felt. He sighed and said, "I see your test was negative. But I'd almost guarantee you had COVID-19. Unfortunately, we're seeing false positives and false negatives of 30 percent."

Today, the in-person Dr said essentially the same thing as TeleDoctor. He put in orders for a COVID-19 antigen test, which I will do Thursday morning.

by Anonymousreply 3805/13/2020

R32, OP: Close, but no cigar.

by Anonymousreply 3905/13/2020

Find another doc.

by Anonymousreply 4005/13/2020

"My partner's office certainly doesn't. He's a neonatal cardiothoracic surgeon and has three other equally liberal Democrats as his surgical partners."

"I'm an attorney and we've been together since college."

Bloody hell, R27, go ahead and add you're both handsome and hung to finish me off.

by Anonymousreply 4105/13/2020

Well, I can empathize with your doctor, OP.

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by Anonymousreply 4205/13/2020

Actually, my part of Florida is very much still on a voluntary lock down. Restaurants may be open but are empty. The beach is empty after being flooded with visitors from Miami.

by Anonymousreply 4305/14/2020

r38 are you doing okay with it?

by Anonymousreply 4405/14/2020

Where I do agree with this doctor is that EVERYTHING on cable news is seen through a prism of a pro/anti-Trump lens, so I've had to search elsewhere to be best informed.

by Anonymousreply 4505/14/2020

I would have walked out. They will keep thinking it’s fine with patients if you don’t speak up. Fuck that I’m a customer and there are plenty of other docs around. Maybe their rate my doctor listing should list their political affiliation as well as their hospital affiliation.

by Anonymousreply 4605/14/2020

I'm in Plano, TX. I saw my doctor on Monday. Everyone masked and gloved, and met at the door to get temperature checked before being admitted. Almost before saying hello, my doctor said "Don't believe what you're hearing from the President or our governor. They're not motivated by science but by economics." He talked about needing to stay isolated and distanced for months to come, because there isn't yet a vaccine and no effective treatment.

I could have kissed him.

by Anonymousreply 4705/14/2020

My family has had several complicated health problems, and one thing all of us agree we have learned is that doctors are not necessarily scientists with scientific minds and perspectives despite working in a scientific field.

Medical practice for most general practitioners and even for specialists is a technical process, not a scientific one.

Doctors are like mechanics in a way. Mechanics are taught how all the parts of an automobile fit together, how they work individually and how signs and symptoms of dysfunction suggest what that dysfunction may be. Medical practice is similar, just with organic parts instead of metal and plastic ones.

Doctors in the US today mostly don’t even recognize that the human body is a whole system whose parts operate together as one body, are necessarily interconnected and are connected by blood, lymph and other components that circulate throughout.

Doctors today are divided into general practitioners, who diagnose and treat routine, common conditions, and specialists, who know singular, isolated systems and diagnose more complicated problems within those systems in isolation, without any consideration to how they may affect and be affected by other ones. And a lot can be overlooked this way.

When doctors diagnose, they follow diagnostic guidelines—a flow chart. That’s not scientific practice; it’s a mechanical system developed by scientists. The scientific method is inherently, by definition, experimental, and it involves repeating experiments and always attempting to disprove a hypothesis.

Medical practitioners in the US by and large reject the notion of exceptions, believing that what they have been taught is absolute.

A paradigm has developed today through which many doctors whose patients’ reported symptoms and observable signs fall outside the scope of what is already known and can be diagnosed via existing laboratory diagnostic assume that their patients are mentally ill and not physically ill. This is why people today with increasingly common autoimmune/immune system illnesses frequently end up frustrated that their doctors do not believe them and end up loaded up on psychotropic medications that can exacerbate their illnesses.

One thing about the so-called dark age of medicine 100 plus years ago was that doctors knew they did not know everything and were always driven by curiosity and experimentation—facets of scientific practice. Today, most doctors believe that they and their texts do know everything that there is to know, and that if a patient’s condition falls outside of the scope of what has already been described, then that patient is imagining or faking it. This is inherently anti-scientific. Given that many general practitioners in the US are small business operators who must dedicate loads of time to filing insurance claims and seeing a high rotation of patients and prescribing a lot of medications in order to make profits and continue to pay down their education loans, they have many incentives to operate rigidly according to text books and flow charts rather than to practice using applied curiosity and problem solving and no real incentive except fulfillment of curiosity and human decency to try to help patients who suffer from complex, emerging diseases. But these are not scientists. They’re physiological mechanics.

by Anonymousreply 4805/14/2020

[quote] I took my mom to get her bloodwork results.

Bloodwork results are available online.

by Anonymousreply 4905/14/2020

I am, R38, considering how terrible it's been for so many. Last night I had the worst coughing spells since March. And the profound lassitude and muscle weakness are pretty scary. Oh, and the fact I've lost my formerly formidable sniffer; and I can taste salt, but everything else tastes like garbage.

But as the old church song goes, "I could be dead, resting in my grave," so there's that.

Thanks for asking.

by Anonymousreply 5005/14/2020

He’s tired of politics but he chooses the wrong side. More people are being tested which means we will have more cases and the anti mask people will think the guidelines aren’t working.

OP I beg you if you are not a troll report them to the proper authorities and by all means get another doctor.

Rump yesterday said we cant do this for 5 years. I agree with that but a few more months will not hurt.

by Anonymousreply 5105/14/2020

I get my results online but don’t doctors give them over the phone even if they are bad news?

by Anonymousreply 5205/14/2020

Sounds like he isn't tired of wearing tin foil hats and fucking his cousin, though.

by Anonymousreply 5305/14/2020

R41, the problem is that a lot of science is motivated by economics. In New York, you have financial incentives to pad the number of deaths as Covid. Not all the data in science is going to be reliable.

I will also say that there are definitely instances where the medical industry at large doesn’t rely on good science. One reason we have an opioid epidemic is that you have pharmaceutical companies sending pretty ex-cheerleaders as sales reps to different doctors, telling them what a pain management crisis this country has.

by Anonymousreply 5405/14/2020

Op, your doctor isn’t “sick of politization,” he’s actively participating in it.

by Anonymousreply 5505/14/2020

You may want to leave a review for the doctor on various websites so others can be aware.

I would. That's certainly not 'do no harm'. And no one is politicizing this but Republicans. He has his freedoms, just wear a god damn mask.

by Anonymousreply 5605/14/2020

R6 does not know even the first thing about medical licensing. His statement is ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 5705/14/2020

You might also report this doctor to the state medical board and any other boards that have certified them, as well as the CDC. Regardless of how states allow businesses to operate, medical practice guidelines are likely to require that proper precautions be upheld to protect patients. This isn't a matter of respecting the doctor's political views; it's a matter of protecting the patients who visit that doctor.

by Anonymousreply 5805/14/2020

This tweet on Twitter sums it up nicely.

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by Anonymousreply 5905/14/2020

r50 because you can't taste food and don't feel well your inclination will be to not eat. Don't do it. You need the fuel to fight the virus. Try soup if you have it.

by Anonymousreply 6005/14/2020

I'm in the Northeast. My doctors have never offered test results online. They generally tell me results over the phone, though some have patients get their blood drawn at a lab a few days prior to the appointment where you get the physical exam and your test results at one time.

Private practice doctors tend to skew more politically conservative than other highly educated professionals. It's part of their culture. Some people go into medicine because it's lucrative and those docs feel generally aggrieved in the "woe is us, we're overtaxed and overworked". That's why you see so many waiting room TVs set to Fox News, even in blue states.

Still, I would definitely complain online and to licensing authorities if doctors did not follow infection control protocol during a pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 6105/14/2020

I would find another doctor

by Anonymousreply 6205/14/2020

It’s a lie that “doctors can’t charge for giving results over the phone”. My last two psych appointments were done over the phone and I’ve paid for both.

by Anonymousreply 6305/14/2020

All of my results are online in the medical practice’s portal. Yours should not be held hostage for payment.

OP Please leave a review of your dr, not disparaging but objectively state the fact, “office staff and dr. Not wearing PPE during a pandemic.” and mention this to the med board in your state too.

by Anonymousreply 6405/14/2020

My eye doctor ( a very nelly straight guy, by the way) had some recent Repug propaganda book on his counter and I overheard him shit talking Pelosi to one of his patients. After the appointment, I found another doctor. I'm not giving my money to someone who supports this evil.

by Anonymousreply 6505/14/2020

R48, how FUCKING STUPID DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE ???

Doctors identify the body as a whole, comprised of separate systems, you fucking CUNT.

Please take your propaganda elsewhere., you evil troll.

And doctors with a medical license who practice medicine, are far more educated than trump, and far more educated than you, on disease and diagnosis.

Here is the bottom line, you shameless, fucking troll: we have NO formidable, well implemented, mandated , nationwide testing for ALL AMERICANS, because our President and his administration have intentionally blocked and denied us of those universal protocols that testing access, in order to protect themselves from having the truth to be known about how many people are currently positive, asymptotic, have had the virus, and are asymptotic, or have died in the late months of 2019, to today, of misdiagnosed or unreported CoVid-19 deaths.

In addition, these policy decisions that negatively impact our health, economy, and national security, are designed to do so, in order to not take responsibility for their mistakes, and to continue denying that we are currently in a situation where not even epidemiologists can empirically state, that we can reopen states, without hazard and loos of life, yet we are being pushed into potentially dangerous and fatal practices, because Trump has decided that is re-election is more important than our lives, and if the economy is not re-started now, he will be blamed for the clusterfuck by those who would eventually ask why he didn’t throw caution to the wind and at least try, and blame him for their dire economic situation, even though scientists have advised him that re-opening NOW, is a HUGE risk, because we have no testing, no ability to track and trace, no national orders for PPE and social distancing, and even if we did, those protocols mitigate the virus’ spread, rather than STOP the virus, as he now knows and has known for weeks, yet hasn’t publicly shared, because of the fact that people in his own office and HOME, are now positive for the virus.

Do you understand how likely it is that he himself, is positive for this virus or has been, yet remained asymptotic? Think I’m wrong? Then why did Mike Pence, who had learned one of his aides had tested positive for the virus, BEFORE deplaning for a meeting with Nebraska’s air head governor, choose to go ahead with that meeting, as well as choosing to NOT social distance, nor to wear PPE, nor did anyone else, including the governor, who is now in quarantine, due to either accepting the terms of the meeting knowing she would risk her health and be required to quarantine, or just wasn’t told, until AFTER the ridiculous photo-op? My guess is because Pence has already had it, and assumes that because his experience with it was mostly or completely asymptotic, he doesn’t need to disclose this to others, because he thinks they will be fine, and it’s no big deal. Or, because he had not had it, and still believes he will be fine, and so will the people he meets with, even though people in his proximity, continue to test positive!

The man is a living, walking, and breathing vector of disease, and that type of hubris is sociopathic in its sheer recklessness and disregard for public safety and human lives.

These people are just to addicted to power, to ever be honest and tell the truth. They’re willing to lie to us, and risk their own lives, just to work in positions of power!

Normal and decent people do not behave this way, nor do they behave like YOU, coming on to a site, where some are immunocompromised due to HIV, in order to suggest doctors are as useless and Trump & Pence, you evil cunt. GTFOH.

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by Anonymousreply 6605/14/2020

R66 Wow, you’re easily triggered, huh?

No one said “doctors are as useless as Trump and Pence.” At all.

The whole point was that medical doctors are practitioners, not research scientists. They learn how things work mechanically and chemically in the body, and they learn interventions, and they practice those, following guidelines created by research scientists. They are not and cannot be expected to be public health experts. They are expected to be competent enough to pass medical board certification exams, and they are expected to practice according to public healtj guidelines to the extent those are enforced by the boards to which they belong.

The point was that medical doctors are busy and fully occupied with the practice of medicine and often with the business aspects of their medical practices. Their judgment about things like wearing masks around patients should follow prescribed, mandated publiv health guidelines and not personal beliefs or political leanings.

Medical doctors obviously are intelligent people to get through med school and they are exacting in order to maintain their livelihoods. They are not, however, epidemiologists or other public health officials or medical research scientists. They just are not. And veering out of their lanes can be dangerous for their patients.

Now chill out. Jesus.

by Anonymousreply 6705/14/2020

R66 I don’t know how you got all of that out of what R48 said but I thought it was a very accurate analysis of the limits of the current medical paradigm. There was nothing in there suggesting doctors are useless. And for the record I’m a nurse.

by Anonymousreply 6805/14/2020

I agree with r48 as well and it's a proper assessment. Dr's are like car mechanics. There are many cases where specialists misdiagnose patients all the time.

by Anonymousreply 6905/14/2020

I don't expect dr.'s to be perfect and I don't expect any of them to know everything but I have been in excruciating pain for 2½years from continuous muscle spasms. I have been to two Internal physicians, 1 rumatologist, a pain management Dr. and an Orthopedic doctor. No one knows what is wrong and no one knows how to stop the pain. Fine, but plesase keep looking. Instead they say come back in 6 weeks and we will seeif you are better. two and a half years. It didn't use to be like this.

by Anonymousreply 7005/14/2020

Call me a ghoul - I won't care when these COVID-19 deniers get it. I just feel bad for the doctors and nurses who have to take care of them.

by Anonymousreply 7105/14/2020

Yup, R66, R48/R67 is 100% right. My physician friend and I have lamented about that very thing for decades. My friend was a Pharm.D before quitting and going to medical school, and has told me hair-raising stories about how little most modern US doctors know about chemistry (other than what is required for their program), physics, higher mathematics, epidemiology, parasitology, and a host of other subjects that used to be standard operating procedure for medical students and residents in good programs in the late 19th century through the mid-1970s or so.

My beloved vet says the same, as well. He's one of the oldest remaining veterinarians in my city, and literally the ONLY one who can and often does compound his own medicines for his patients. His stories of how little modern physicians know about the human body and systems would curl your hair.

And neither man blames the doctors, it's just the way modern med school (and vet schools, increasingly) is structured. Too much emphasis on laboratory diagnostics and not enough old school systems training. For example, when was the last time your doctor examined your nail beds or the color of your hands? Looked deeply into your eyes without a specific complaint of eye pain or irritation? Sniffed your breath? Checked your teeth and gums? Looked at your scalp, or felt the texture of your hair? Asked you if you've been more itchy than usual?

Physicians can glean a great deal from clues that could obtain from the very types of exams/questions doctors used to use as basis of their workup. There are many, many diseases that fly under modern doctors' radars because...labs.

It's like certain of my students who unfailingly would ask each time I assigned a reading or held a discussion, "Is this gunna be on the test?" Too many modern doctors refuse to countenance the idea something could be wrong with their patient if "Well, it didn't show up on your labs...."

Until it's too late.

As if patients don't know their own bodies.

by Anonymousreply 7205/14/2020

R70, have you consulted with a physician practicing Chinese medicine? You might as well. You're not getting much from the western doctors.

by Anonymousreply 7305/14/2020

[quote]I have been to two Internal physicians, [bold]1 rumatologist,[/bold]

Well, there's your problem right there, R71.

by Anonymousreply 7405/14/2020

You guys, I apologize. I am just so frustrated and angry about this. And I am WAY triggered, because pubic health and safety should not be designed, and created by individual, medical practitioners. It SHOULD be created by and disseminated via our government’s CDC. In the case of highly contagious, novel-CoronaVirus, in this case, CoVid-19. And I’m angry because I understand this.

In order to effectively contain this, the CDC has to be able to work. The government backs it up, and takes instructions from THEM, NOT the other way around.

And here’s the thing, it has to be a national effort, not one where each state makes up its own rules, or where specific industries make up their own rules.

Universal testing, tracking and testing, and reporting, must be the same, everywhere, just for starters, and the data, as well as the directives, need to be easily accessible to the general public, employers and employees, schools, hospitals, government buildings, transportation, supply chains, etc.

The job of the individual states government is to implement those protocols, observe them, enforce them, and assist in anything the public needs, and then it goes down to counties, cities, towns, etc.

I am fucking FURIOUS that this pandemic has been treated like it doesn’t exist. I am angry that it has become politicized. I am pissed that this administration has thrown all of us under the bus. That it has.been dishonest, negligent, and self serving in order to monetize tragedy. I am mad that news channels have supported the spread of this pandemic, and I am really disappointed that our country is filled with a citizenry that is so emotionally damaged, that they care nothing about their own safety, as well as ours, and haven’t the decency or ability to treat this as a contagion, rather than as a cultural objective to be translated into whatever it is they have been led to believe is a political objective, a statement about their political values, rather than something that has already killed over 80,000 Americans, and is most definitely not going to stop, because our leaders our unwilling to do the right thing. And I’m incensed that for almost four years, doing the right thing or being a decent human being, has been made to represent something in-American, un-Democratic, un-patriotic, and wrong.

I have never seen anything like this, and I am not confident that we will come out of this OK. We have been hi-jacked by a pack of wolves, who have convinced half of our population that science is not the answer to a puzzle that scientists have yet to understand, and we are not even yet experiencing what is coming economically, because or government is staffed by people who either have zero experience in something like this, or cannot protect us, because a man will not allow us to be protected.

I’m not overreacting. Give this 4 more weeks. By fall, we really in for some pain, unless we can get the GOP to finally care about people, before their money and re-election prospects.

We’re really just totally fucked, and no one is willing to admit it. The worse of mankind is what has come out for this, and good people are dying, and trying to save lives of those who have been hung out to dry, due to the incompetence and delinquency of a two-bit crook in a suit.

by Anonymousreply 7505/14/2020

r73 we have a person that does acupuncture but that is all that would be available. I am supposed to see another pain management dr, that just left his Orthopedic practice. We are going to try trigger point injection which someone told me should have been the first thing that anyone tried, which they didn't. I didn't even know about it until my eye Dr. told me to ask for it.

by Anonymousreply 7605/14/2020

R75, I understand your emotional reaction. I am a citizen of another country. I have never felt sorry for Americans, but I do now, even the awful ones. The country seems bent on destroying itself. Even today at the hearing with Dr. Bright the [italic]Democratic[/italic] committee chair had to slip into her opening remarks 'this is the greatest country on earth.' Why do they keep feeding this pablum? There is no greatest country on earth. If there were, it wouldn't be America - probably some Scandinavian country - but the point is you're never going to get anywhere with the attitudes that infect the country. And now it is a matter of life and death. I fear you are in for a summer of hell like you've never known. Probably we all are, but the States seems to lead the pack in failure and is determined to do so yet again.

So I agree, R75: America is more fucked than any nation on earth. I pity you and I wrote to my representative to urge this country does everything it can to keep Americans out of here for as long as possible. You've never been more dangerous. It must be an awful thing to be thinking and trapped in the country. I wish you good luck, the thinking ones. What a mess. Futile and stupid and unnecessary. The only good news is one way or another there probably won't be enough people left who'd vote Trump again and then we all have a chance at solving this.

by Anonymousreply 7705/14/2020

R76 There are more medical mysteries/challenging diagnostic cases and more that’s simply not understood than people realize. My mother died from what ultimately was an unknown cause two years ago, and she ultimately lost her life to opportunistic infections resulting from malnutrition.

I had slowly building strange symptoms for a decade until finally I had a major flare up of what seemed to be MS-like symptoms. It took many years and over a dozen doctors, some of them utterly dismissive, to be diagnosed. And diagnoses ran a gamut from idiopathic cluster headaches to Meniere’s disease. Ultimately, I was diagnosed with Lyme disease and Bartonella—both tickborne infections that can infect the nervous system when they go untreated for years—and then I was diagnosed with an autoimmune illness called mast cell activation syndrome, which has been associated with Lyme disease. I took several antimicrobials for two and a half years. This treatment is unorthodox and not recommended by the CDC. At age 35, I and everyone I knew thought I was going to end up disabled or dead within years. I just turned 42 and I am healthier now than I was at age 32. I take antihistamines every day to manage the mast cell disorder.

My diagnostic process and my treatment involved a lot of doctors, a lot of doubt and questioning of my sanity, a lot of trial and error and not giving up. It worked out for me, and I can hardly believe how well I am today. Many doctors would say that I never should have undergone that treatment regimen even though it restored my health. You MUST advocate for yourself. If your doctor doesn’t listen to you or doesn’t take you seriously or doesn’t have the time and interest to investigate what it wrong with you, thank them and move on to another doctor. Do not waste your time and energy. The doctor I went to who ultimately diagnosed and treated me to THIRTEEN vials of blood on my first visit and she tested me for all kinds of things, including those tick infections, parasites, immune system complements c3a and c4a—the latter of which was the second-highest level she had ever seen in a patient. That test indicated systemwide inflammation, and this is not a test that most doctors would ever think to order. She also tested my tryptase level, and it too was sky high, indicating the mast cell disorder. You need a doctor who will work as a detective, which requires time, the will and a deep skill set. Don’t give up.

One thing I learned was that I was inadvertently adding to my own torture. I had A LOT of nerve and joint/bone pain for years. And so naturally I took a lot of aspirin and ibuprofen. As it turns out, my mast cell disease makes me allergic to these; NSAIDS catalyze mast cell degranulation and flood the body with histamine and cytokines. I absolutely cannot take these, as they can cause anaphylaxis and potentially death. And I was taking them daily for my pain. And yes, doctors recommended NSAIDs.

It isn’t doctors’ faults that they don’t know everything. It is a problem when they think they do know everything and suggest patients are crazy when they, the doctors, can’t figure out what is making a person ill. You know your own body better than any doctor ever will. Listen to it.

by Anonymousreply 7805/14/2020

OP, you need to call your local news stations and let them cover this shit. Hurt his practice and let the public know what type of bullshit operation he's running.

There's always more then one way to skin a cat. If they want to stupidly and intentionally follow Trump and Fox News, then they can also suffer the consequences of their stupid choices as well.

Expose all of the deplorable doctors out there. Trump and the Republicans and right wing media have politicized this virus, this is a health issue not a political issue. They're just trying to help Trump get reelected at this point. That shouldn't be at the expense of others people's health and well being.

Fuck right wing America.

by Anonymousreply 7905/14/2020

And find another doctor too.

by Anonymousreply 8005/14/2020

R4 They shoot blacks, don't they?

by Anonymousreply 8105/14/2020

I am fed up with assholes who don’t understand how public health works or worse, disregard it for personal liberty. One may exercise her individual right to go where she pleases without a mask; however, by doing so, she may infect several other people without criminal recourse. So, the practice, if permitted, begs some additional questions. For example:

If we allow noncompliance of COVID risk minimizing government orders, then shouldn’t all laws criminalizing the knowing spread of HIV be abolished?

If the right is all fired up at exercising personal liberty that ends in the death of others, then how can they remain pro-life or anti-assisted suicide?

If we allow armed militias to “protect the rights” of businesses to remain open through implied intimidation, then what keeps us from arming ourselves to escort abortion seekers against the fuming protesters? Are semi-automatic weapons now permitted everywhere?

If “I don’t feel like it” is an excuse to refuse to comply with government directives, then don’t we have a precedent that allows virtually any behavior? Step off with your anti-marijuana legislation!

I know these questions are somewhat silly; however, it doesn’t serve us well to have deplorables intimidate others with their firearms and to get away with it. Maybe it’s time for liberals to lock and load.

by Anonymousreply 8205/14/2020

Except, R82, perhaps we just don’t want guns in our homes. And for good reasons.

I don’t want to intimidate people into doing the right thing, by carrying weapons. They have the right to carry, and so do we. However, I do not need a weapon to make my point. I need a candidate, a. ballot, and all my fellow Dems and independents out there, voting too, no matter what.

Violence is not the question and it is not the answer.

The moment we start carrying weapons like them, is the moment someone gets killed. Not worth it. Way too dangerous. That’s why we don’t carry guns around in the first place.

Any American who wants a gun can legally purchase one. It’s not deadly, if no one shoots. CoVid is, and no one shoots.

by Anonymousreply 8305/14/2020

R79 agree! I would love a list type site with the names of all deplorable owned businesses/doctors/realtors/gyms/ restaurants etc by town. I would happily keep my business away from those people.

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