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Andre Leon Talley, of the circus-tent caftan Talleys, slams Anna Wintour in his new book.

"She's not capable of simple human kindness".

What would he call the intervention she staged for his overeating?

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by Anonymousreply 38605/23/2020

live by the hags, die by the hags!

by Anonymousreply 104/23/2020

He needs to quit with this nonsense.

[quote]With a dramatic flair, he writes: 'My hope is that she will find a way to apologize before I die, or if I linger on incapacitated before I pass, she will show up at my bedside, with an extended hand clasped into mine and say: 'I love you. You have no idea how much you have meant to me'. Not a day goes by when I do not think of Anna Wintour'.

by Anonymousreply 204/23/2020

She's not cold, just English.

by Anonymousreply 304/23/2020

I do hope she visits him only to take back something he took from the famous Vogue closet. The look on his face would be priceless.

by Anonymousreply 404/23/2020

He was the guy on Tyra's next top model. That's all I know about this person.

by Anonymousreply 504/23/2020

I mean, when one has to wear a California King bedspread as clothing, perhaps the answer as to why one was shunned is not so far from one's reach.

by Anonymousreply 604/23/2020

He talks about how cold and mean she is, yet he was happy to be “friends” with her until she dropped him.🙄

by Anonymousreply 704/23/2020

I worked at CN and well, he's totally right. Anna is not human. She is an unfeeling, unkind, unempathetic monster. Which is why she has been so successful. No one can work for the Newhouses and be a real person.

by Anonymousreply 804/23/2020

Haven’t we heard this from him before?

by Anonymousreply 904/23/2020

Gurl Mother Talley has been recycling the same tale for a number of years. He probably needs a coin right now and decided to throw some shade while celebrity news is slow. Wintour is probably in on the gag too.

by Anonymousreply 1004/23/2020

I always wonder what does Anna get out of working in fashion? Does it give her actual pleasure to be around these creative designers and fashion designs? She doesn't seem like a joyful person at all.

by Anonymousreply 1104/23/2020

Wintour must be exhausted from being Wintour.

by Anonymousreply 1204/23/2020

People who seek power are sociopaths more than the rest of the population. Capitalism rewards sociopaths - absence of human sympathy is a strength.

by Anonymousreply 1304/23/2020

That is all probably true, but Wintour owed Talley nothing. Publishing is severely constricted and the industry is on the ropes. If Wintour had to choose to save a carcass, it would be her own.

by Anonymousreply 1404/23/2020

You don’t know what the ninth circle of hell looks like until you’ve been to a dinner party and seated near Andre Leon Talley. An utterly REPULSIVE human being.

by Anonymousreply 1504/23/2020

A vivid word picture, R15.

Think I shall go wash my hands.

by Anonymousreply 1604/23/2020

I hope you're not missing out on Naomi Campbell's daily youtube pick me ups during this time of crisis!! She's had on Diddy, Christy Turlington, Ashley Graham, Serena Williams and Dame Anna Wintour herself. How y'all holding up? How's your country home? We all miss a human connection, now let's talk about my first Vogue cover. So relatable and inspirational.

I love me some Naomi Campbell though.

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by Anonymousreply 1704/23/2020

I walked past Andre Leon Talley once many years ago, he was sitting on a something by the side of the street, like a planter or something, on the phone and he looked homeless and big like a fucking house, I wasn't close enough to smell anything but he looked unwashed...

by Anonymousreply 1804/23/2020

Didn't Anna Wintour call him Queen Kong?

by Anonymousreply 1904/23/2020

I felt sorry for him in the doc "The First Monday in May".

His star must have faded by then because he had some kind of greeter role and the Clooneys seemed to deliberately snub him.

Speaking of Amal Clooney and off-topic, but man, for all of her education and professional credentials, she's become Show Folk Trash.

by Anonymousreply 2004/23/2020

One day your thin. Next day your stout.

by Anonymousreply 2104/23/2020

One day you're thin. The next day you're stout.

by Anonymousreply 2204/23/2020

R20 - What is Show Folk Trash?

by Anonymousreply 2304/23/2020

His heyday was in the mid-1980s when he was a Warhol hanger-on.

by Anonymousreply 2404/23/2020

He is goals.

by Anonymousreply 2504/23/2020

[quote] Didn't Anna Wintour call him Queen Kong?

You’re referring to an anecdote he shared, regarding the racism he experienced in the fashion industry. Of course Wintour did not make such an overtly racist remark. If I remember correctly; the remark was made in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 2604/23/2020

I had a minor encounter with Mr. Talley while working in the service industry. He was kind to me while his peers who attended the same function I worked at were not.

by Anonymousreply 2704/23/2020

ALT was raised in the Deep South. He's all over the values he took with him to New York, from his childhood, so he loves to tell us. One thing a man doesn't do is trash a woman in public. Edward Enniful pulled the same crap w/Naomi Campbell recently, in a series of heated texts.

I get that ALT feels Anna Wintour has let him down; I understand it. And I'm sorry he has this to look back upon after all the years they worked together. But is the public interested in one more Anna Wintour Ice Queen story?

ALT had his finger on the pulse of fashion for what? 30 years? That's fantastic! Many would love to have traded places with him. So why doesn't he focus on the happy memories, the rich stories of working with designers, of working trips to world capitals, the moguls of fashion and commerce he met?

Andre, wake the fuck up. Smell the fuckin venal vitriol. Because it all belongs to you. In the clip below, he's basically asked what he does at Vogue. He doesn't have a clue. Vague, baby... really, really Vague.

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by Anonymousreply 2804/23/2020

Perhaps Wintour should send him a note of apology with a basket of rotted fruit.

by Anonymousreply 2904/23/2020

r23, It's one word so I was incorrect to make it two.

Showfolk - persons, especially performers, whose vocation is in the field of entertainment.

My understanding, from all my novels reading, both trashy and of the loftier variety, is that among what was at one time referred to as the "upper crust" or "WASP", they looked down their noses at people in the entertainment industry.

by Anonymousreply 3004/23/2020

Anna is ugly, stale and boring. Andre is fat and ugly. Both have no style.

by Anonymousreply 3104/23/2020

Wow, someone has an ax to grind.

He was a fixture at Vogue for such a long time. When he showed up on American's Next Top Model, it was clear that the magazine industry glory days were over.

by Anonymousreply 3204/23/2020

Didn't some wealthy Texan leave his wife for Wintour?

by Anonymousreply 3304/23/2020

LOL - he spent decades not only watching her treat other people poorly, but also probably engaging in and encouraging that behavior.

And he's shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU, that she turned on him, as she did with countless people before him to which he was a willing spectator?

Really, there was absolutely no sign whatsoever that she was like this and he was completely surprised she turned on him?

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

by Anonymousreply 3404/23/2020

[Quote] Next day your stout.

But don't you pout.

by Anonymousreply 3504/23/2020

Wintour loathes fat people. She tried to get him help, and CN even paid for his stint at DUKE, granted, he had to write about it. ALT isn’t interested in health, he’s interested in cookies. He’s fat, and that’s that. My friend sees him in the Target in Rockland County, filling his cart full of junk and muttering to himself in a pair of DESTROYED Uggs. He said he looks really pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 3604/23/2020

I, for one, can't wait to read it.

by Anonymousreply 3704/23/2020

It shouldn't come as a surprise to him.

She banned Tim Gunn from the MET Gala, because of an anecdote in one of his books (her being carried down some stairs by her bodyguards).

She thinks the Kardashians are great contributors for VOGUE.

She's like the Lorne Michaels of comedy.

by Anonymousreply 3804/23/2020

Food is a drug to people. Sugary foods.

by Anonymousreply 3904/23/2020

Some self-medicate with food, because they have some untreated mental issues. You know, eat your feelings kind of problems.

by Anonymousreply 4004/23/2020

Andre has all of the feelings.

by Anonymousreply 4104/23/2020

André. Call us.

by Anonymousreply 4204/23/2020

Has he ever been linked to anyone, romantically?

I'm sure he wouldn't hold on to so much resentment if got some dick on the reg.

by Anonymousreply 4304/23/2020

I don't think R13 has heard of Lenin, Stalin or Mao.

by Anonymousreply 4404/23/2020

Andre had a great, easy, fun, long ride with Vogue. Then the train stopped and he was dumped out into the real world. Where you and I live. You were surplus to requirements, Andre. Move on, let it go.

by Anonymousreply 4504/23/2020

Lenin wasn't a sociopath.

by Anonymousreply 4604/23/2020

R45 nailed it. Sorry ALT, the carousel ride had to end sometimes. Maybe he can get some FIT students to whip up those choir robes for him I’m sure Tom Ford won’t be interested anymore 😂

by Anonymousreply 4704/23/2020

He's big as a house.

How does that reflect on the fashion industry?

Probably smells on hot days.

Like buttah.

by Anonymousreply 4804/23/2020

It's very hard for people to adjust after the gravy train has stopped, and they refused to see the signs of it stopping real soon and prepare for that.

by Anonymousreply 4904/23/2020

What's with AW's butt-ugly shades!?

by Anonymousreply 5004/23/2020

He's ridiculous. Most all of them are. Even Anna Winter. Fashion is a waste of human energy and sometime talent.

by Anonymousreply 5104/23/2020

So he's Patsy Stone without the sex life and loyal friend.

by Anonymousreply 5204/23/2020

Summarizing: He was fine with being friends with a cunt as long as she could do something for him, but when she stopped, he attempted to make some cash by calling her a cunt.

That's pretty much it.

by Anonymousreply 5304/23/2020

He seems asexual . Is it by choice or by his circumference?

by Anonymousreply 5404/23/2020

Hunteys if you think for a minute she didn't co-write this with him you are dumber than a box of rocks.

by Anonymousreply 5504/23/2020

Was Anna Wintour's heart surgery successful? I heard she was having one put in.

by Anonymousreply 5604/23/2020

R49, I don't know, it looks like he is full of gravy. Of graxy even!

by Anonymousreply 5704/23/2020

I am still annoyed with him for bullying Jennifer Hudson into wearing that ugly schmatta at the Oscars the year that she won. Plus, he's ugly as sin.

by Anonymousreply 5804/23/2020

I would actually be interested in reading his memoirs because, of all the people who you might expect would rise to become a powerful fashion editor at the most influential magazines in the world, he would probably rank somewhere near my father. Meaning, dead last.

by Anonymousreply 5904/23/2020

One of my favorite threads in DL history

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by Anonymousreply 6004/23/2020

Well, when your only job has been 'friend' of Diana Vreeland and Anna Wintour and nobody knows what you do and you can't even tell someone what you do at Vogue, then don't think that you're immune from cost-cutting.

He lives in White Plains I think because he never saved any money. And, when you start to make a spectacle of yourself and overshadow your benefactor, don't expect it to last long. Maybe he can commiserate with Star Jones.

He had a long ride wearing the most ridiculous shit and having the biggest attitude on the planet. And yes, you can be nice and have a huge ego and attitude.

The good part? He has about 5 good years to write about every damn scandal and personality in the fashion world from the past 50 years. He'll be the belle of the ball on the talk show circuit. He could go on Wendy Williams or other shows weekly with new dirt.

Make that coin now ALT! Nothing's holding you back! Use your poison pen - it's all you've got left.

by Anonymousreply 6104/23/2020

He failed to take note of what happened to Nigel in the Devil Wears Prada.

by Anonymousreply 6204/23/2020

[quote]Well, when your only job has been 'friend' of Diana Vreeland and Anna Wintour and nobody knows what you do and you can't even tell someone what you do at Vogue...

He was a brand ambassador. No more, no less. When you've got a title like Editor at Large or Creative Director, you may not have that much to do day-to-day at the publication, but you better make damn sure you're out there being a face of the product and promoting the hell out of it. He shouldn't have kept comments like "a FAMINE of beauty" in staff meetings. He should have been proclaiming it to the world. I haven't seen too many clips where he was doing that in a public forum. That may be a poor example, but he needed to be out there keeping the Vogue brand alive. I think he missed an opportunity to embrace what he was meant to be.

You may think of Vogue when you see Anna, but mainly she's just an ambassador of her own brand, one she relishes. And Hamish, much as I love him, isn't cutting it. Where's the mystique these days?

[quote]Grace Coddington, one of the magazine's longest serving editors used to stay at the Ritz and was given a chauffeured town car. Now she has to 'queue in long lines at airport taxi stands in Europe', Talley writes, adding: 'It seems so hardscrabble and undignified'.

Of all people, jeesh. Grace doesn't have any fucks left to give about stuff like that.

by Anonymousreply 6304/23/2020

[quote] ALT had his finger on the pulse of fashion for what? 30 years? That's fantastic! Many would love to have traded places with him. So why doesn't he focus on the happy memories, the rich stories of working with designers, of working trips to world capitals, the moguls of fashion and commerce he met?

No memory of having starred

Atones for later disregard

Or keeps the end from being hard.

by Anonymousreply 6404/23/2020

[quote] Grace Coddington, one of the magazine's longest serving editors used to stay at the Ritz and was given a chauffeured town car. Now she has to 'queue in long lines at airport taxi stands in Europe', Talley writes, adding: 'It seems so hardscrabble and undignified'.

What's a taxi?

by Anonymousreply 6504/23/2020

Anna Winter's "beach house" is in Mastic. It's not even in the Hamptons

by Anonymousreply 6604/23/2020

[quote] The good part? He has about 5 good years to write about every damn scandal and personality in the fashion world from the past 50 years. He'll be the belle of the ball on the talk show circuit. He could go on Wendy Williams or other shows weekly with new dirt.

I doubt it would pay anything.

He'll be lucky if he makes any money off this book. How many people care about the world of fashion magazines any more?

He had a nice long run, but he's at the age where most people are retired anyway, and as people upthread noted, he at best tolerated, and at worst encouraged Anna in the past when she was cold and mean to the little people. He gets zero sympathy from me.

by Anonymousreply 6704/23/2020

[quote]Has he ever been linked to anyone, romantically?

A few may have been caught in the gravity well of his enormous bulkitude, but that's about it.

by Anonymousreply 6804/23/2020

R64 I’m pretty dense and I don’t get it. Please explain.

by Anonymousreply 6904/23/2020

I wonder if he was abused as a child. Usually when people get that big they had a horrible childhood. Either that or mental health issues. Cut him some slack.

by Anonymousreply 7004/23/2020

R67 - there's plenty of people who love to know about filth. You can take some good stories and write films around it.

People love fashion, models, designers, etc.

by Anonymousreply 7104/23/2020

[quote] [R64] I’m pretty dense and I don’t get it. Please explain.

Robert Frost was a 20th-century American poet who wrote a famous poem called 'Provide, Provide," in which among other things he basically said that no matter how rich and famous you once were, that won't make you happy at the end if you're no longer still rich and famous. I quoted the key lines that say that because someone asked why ALT can't just be happy that once upon a time he was famous.

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by Anonymousreply 7204/23/2020

ALT and Anna are friends for life. She doesn't despise fat people BTW, she just very old school when it comes to beauty standards. They are friends for life, Anna knows about this book and even if she didn't cosign on it, she won't care. It won't really make a dent in her reputation. She knows he needs the dough. Trust me.

by Anonymousreply 7304/23/2020

The thousands of photographs he appears in are never perused for his presence first.

We look at the people he was lucky to have with him in the photos.

In the end he became a buffoon. It wasn't that he didn't know his place, his real experiences with racism aside. (We all face -isms.) He didn't know his job. He was the Man Who Wore Too Much.

Including on observers' nerves.

by Anonymousreply 7404/23/2020

Also the originator of the snack purse, the accessory that Chrissy Metz brought to the masses.

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by Anonymousreply 7504/23/2020

Did she grab him by the pussy? Because you can do that when you're rich and famous.

by Anonymousreply 7604/23/2020

He’s so homely and nausea inducing in his appearance.

by Anonymousreply 7704/23/2020

Mastic is a shithole. Is there a nice part of Mastic?

by Anonymousreply 7804/23/2020

My guess is she will be also ultimately cast off--she will never resign from Conde Nast voluntarily, so she just has to wait for Roger Lynch or Donald Newhouse to get sick of her.

Diana Vreeland ultimately got cast off, and so did Carmel Snow before her, and Grace Mirabella after her. Anna will too.

by Anonymousreply 7904/23/2020

With a dramatic flair, he writes: "My hope is that she will find a way to apologize before I die, or if I linger on incapacitated before I pass, she will show up at my bedside, with an extended hand clasped into mine and say: 'I love you. You have no idea how much you have meant to me'."

NARRATOR: "Instead, Miss Wintour just waltzed into the ICU and pulled the plug. And still made it to dinner on time."

by Anonymousreply 8004/23/2020

What did he expect?

It's a fashion magazine and by definition supposed to cover what's of-the-moment. It's not like The New Yorker, where you could work for William Shawn or David Remnick until you die, honing your art.

Even an editor-in-chief is on borrowed time, especially at Conde Nast. If he expected a gold watch on his deathbed, he's an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 8104/23/2020

Would ALT have been friends with Anna if she hasn't been in a position to help him in his career?

by Anonymousreply 8204/23/2020

Can't he get a visiting professor stint somewhere? Wasn't he a write of some sort early in his career? I agree the book or gossip circuit won't pay much but some university or liberal arts college will throw him a position that would be comfortable enough.

by Anonymousreply 8304/23/2020

[quote]Talley has nothing but scorn for his replacement as the Vogue red carpet interviewer at the Met Gala last year, which appears to refer to YouTube star Liza Koshy, 24. With bitterness he writes: 'What could this talented YouTuber offer?

[quote]'Surely she didn't know what a martingale back is to a Balenciagia one-seamed coat? Or did she know that Katie Holmes' Zac Posen dress, worn with great elegance, constructed with great technique, was a homage to the master architect Charles James?

[quote]...'Like an extinct dodo bird. my brain, rich and replete with knowledge, has been relegated to the history books'.

I love it.

by Anonymousreply 8404/23/2020

Not a gold watch, r81. A loaded pizza and chocolate milk.

by Anonymousreply 8504/23/2020

ALT + DELETE!

by Anonymousreply 8604/23/2020

[quote]Grace Coddington, one of the magazine's longest serving editors used to stay at the Ritz and was given a chauffeured town car. Now she has to 'queue in long lines at airport taxi stands in Europe', Talley writes, adding: 'It seems so hardscrabble and undignified'.

Magazine budgets are nowhere near what they were in the pre-internet/social media world. The 90s were really the last gasp of magazine writers/editors being treated like movie stars.

by Anonymousreply 8704/23/2020

The thing about creative fields, no matter if they're fashion, acting, music or what-have-you is that everybody ages out. These are youth-driven industries, and before long another generation of young movers and shakers are on the scene. Some people just can't accept it, like ALT, Madonna and a host of others. Time moves on, you get older, and you can't stay relevant forever in a creative, youth-driven field/marketplace. That's just reality.

by Anonymousreply 8804/23/2020

[quote]Talley has nothing but scorn for his replacement as the Vogue red carpet interviewer at the Met Gala last year, which appears to refer to YouTube star Liza Koshy, 24. With bitterness he writes: 'What could this talented YouTuber offer?

I bet she's able to move, rather than sitting there like a beached whale whilst interns have to try and convince the stars to come to him.

I remember him on one of the late night shows - Seth Meyers I think - they had to cut to him already seated.

by Anonymousreply 8904/23/2020

He's 70 - they kept him on in this rather useless job until he was 70. Do you know how many people get shown the door in their late 50's?

And the fashion industry chews up and spits out models, designers and editors all the time. Designers with actual talent like Zan Posen and Isaac Mizrahi are closed. What makes him think he is so special? He had an astonishingly long run.

He wasn't a designer, art director, model or that much of an editor. How long do you expect to be paid to go "I don't like that" - "Oooh - ALT loves that" - "No, this was not his best".

I mean he's a fucking one man Yelp review.

by Anonymousreply 9004/23/2020

r90, I love you. More witty commentary please.

by Anonymousreply 9104/23/2020

Zac Posen is closed?

I did not know that.

by Anonymousreply 9204/23/2020

Do you know how many people in NYC get shown the door in their early 40s?

Largely, after 40, you're washed up in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 9304/23/2020

I hate her penis-shaped head in OP’s photo.

by Anonymousreply 9404/23/2020

He probably didn't have the personality to become a Tim Gunn.

by Anonymousreply 9504/23/2020

R95 - personality? Tim Gunn was the Fashion Department Chair in charge of curriculum for Parsons. It's a knowledge-based job.

ALT? "I love it - it reminds me of the 1982 Gaulthier Winter show". Ok - great memory and encyclopedic knowledge - but what did he actually know about design and the business?

IMO, he was like a sports commentator but for fashion.

by Anonymousreply 9604/23/2020

Look, ALT, Loro Piano has a vicuña Martingale coat. It's a steal at $20,495.00!

by Anonymousreply 9704/23/2020

Isaac Mizrahi is not "closed;" he sells truly terrible clothes and accessories to fraus on the shopping chsnnel

by Anonymousreply 9804/23/2020

R98 - as a fashion house. You know what I mean. Many many brands have closed over the past 25-30 years.

I have to think the Newhouses gave Anna an ultimatum and some forced cuts. There's only so long you can explain your friend's presence when everyone asks - what the hell is he doing here?

And I think Anna - who is also 70 - knows her time is closing down. She's been editor for an absurdly long time.

by Anonymousreply 9904/23/2020

[quote] Andre had a great, easy, fun, long ride with Vogue. Then the train stopped and he was dumped out into the real world. Where you and I live. You were surplus to requirements, Andre. Move on, let it go.

The United States runs on white male mediocrity being pushed and promoted to the top. The “Good Ole Boy Network” is America’s oldest and most obvious affirmative action program. This enabled a man like Donald Trump to become president. White women are chief beneficiaries of federal affirmative action programs. Yet white men and women are constantly pushing the narrative that they are the real victims of oppression. Racial minorities are somehow getting a free ride. None of whom could possibly be equally qualified, much less more qualified than any white person. Generally speaking, black people have to be twice as good to get 1/2 as far as an equally qualified white person or even a less qualified white person.

The fantasy world, in which some of you live, is hilarious. The fact that the most mediocrely basic straight white males are worshipped as Gods on earth here, should clue you in. That is not just a Datalounge quirk. It is an American principle.

by Anonymousreply 10004/23/2020

He was my idol

by Anonymousreply 10104/23/2020

r100 ALT did practically nothing, it has nothing to do with our righteous screed. He was dead weight for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 10204/23/2020

Agreed r100 and great post.

The embodiment of White Male Privilege befouls the WH Oval Office now.

by Anonymousreply 10304/23/2020

"Andre, step AWAY from the sandwich."

by Anonymousreply 10404/23/2020

That someone could accuse Andre Leon Talley of not having personality and compares him to a boring old queen that just walks around with his arms folded on a design competition and says "I'm concerned," might be the best support for this 'white male mediocrity' line of interrogation.

by Anonymousreply 10504/23/2020

Great post R 100 Really nice to read the truth one in a while!! Also the person that posted the Frost.. excellent

by Anonymousreply 10604/23/2020

[quote]None of whom could possibly be equally qualified, much less more qualified than any white person. Generally speaking, black people have to be twice as good to get 1/2 as far as an equally qualified white person or even a less qualified white person.

But Andre Leon Talley was none of those things.

Conversely, if a white male sat on his ass and did nothing at Vogue, he probably wouldn't have lasted long.

by Anonymousreply 10704/23/2020

Ive always found him far too homely to be the bitch he thought he was . Pretentious,self important blowhard .

by Anonymousreply 10804/23/2020

Wait - Della - you're usually have very reasoned posts. Do you believe ALT at age 70 was pushed aside due to racism?

Trump is another matter - but I don't see how what R100 wrote has any relevance to ALT. ALT did not DO anything! And he was able to stay in that role for a looooong time.

by Anonymousreply 10904/23/2020

[quote] Can't he get a visiting professor stint somewhere?

As what? A visiting professor of fat studies?

by Anonymousreply 11004/23/2020

I wonder why he’s never had a gastric bypass. Does he ever said anything about that in an interview? I can’t imagine he’s healthy.

by Anonymousreply 11104/23/2020

Della is a useless FrauCunt.

by Anonymousreply 11204/23/2020

r100: yes, yes, that's all very fascinating, and the white cis-het patriarchy is so rotten, etc. etc.

BUT... what does that have to do with ALT? If he is far above white male mediocrity (as you seem to be clearly implying), just what exactly is it that he actually DID that meant he should still be drawing a hefty salary for his excellence at doing it?

by Anonymousreply 11304/23/2020

[quote] Talley lost 55lbs but he put it back on and he returned to the [diet] center three times for a 'yo-yo battle I long ago realized I will never win'.

Sad that he has such a defeatist attitude about losing weight. Nobody's saying he needs to weigh 165 pounds, but he could at least shoot for 250 or something like that.

by Anonymousreply 11404/23/2020

r109, I stand by agreeing with r100, however, in the matter of ALT, I think other explanations besides racism or bigotry can be attributed to him being tossed out on his ample behind.

by Anonymousreply 11504/23/2020

R70 You might be on to something. Many people abused in childhood have difficulty with forming adult relationships, which he seems to have.

by Anonymousreply 11604/23/2020

R115 - Thanks for clarifying Della.

So R100 injected racism into the thread and mentions of white power and control that did not apply to ALT or our discussion of him.

by Anonymousreply 11704/23/2020

Talley has cited racism against him (and fat-ism).

But THIS ain't about race.

The troll up-thread, making up words and getting upset over nothing, is going to start calling for murder soon. She usually does.

by Anonymousreply 11804/23/2020

That troll's been in other threads. She can take any subject, no matter what, and tie it into White Male Boogeymen and Colonialism and Repression. It's almost like a drinking game. Another useless cunt.

by Anonymousreply 11904/23/2020

I literally weigh zero pounds and I am tall. I was born at that weight. My dad, Key and a few family dictator-stalkers didn't like that, so my food intake is and was often monitored, overseen, picked apart and limited by a bunch of fat, male losers.

Anna Wintour was given directives to say I was fat so she kept calling me a fatty. I didn't know what to make of it but she stopped, apologized and we made up.

She secretly loves deathrock aesthetic and classic, traditional goth style, as seen in the eighties. Second to couture, though, obviously.

by Anonymousreply 12004/23/2020

My understanding is that ALT voluntarily resigned from American Vogue to edit a Russian fashion mag, only to resign his position from the magazine's Moscow offices due to Russia's discriminatory policy towards the LGBT community. I've never heard that he was forced out. Or did I miss that day in class?

I've never followed this too closely, but I certainly remember the problem with the Russian mag.

by Anonymousreply 12104/23/2020

What is her appeal? And, what accounts for the longevity at the helm of Vogue? Psychiatrist friend couldn't understand why his colleague, Dr. David Shaffer, married her. She has no education unlike ALT who has a Masters in French from Brown.

by Anonymousreply 12204/23/2020

Because he used up ALL the fabric!

by Anonymousreply 12304/23/2020

My sympathies to Anna Wintour. The magazine format is dead and she has to find a way to keep the Vogue profitable in the age of Instagram and YouTube. Who even reads about fashion anymore? Meanwhile the old crusty guard is kicking a fuss because she doesn't have time to soothe their egos? It's just business, bitches.

by Anonymousreply 12404/23/2020

Many people wonder why Wintour is still at the helm in this digital/social media world, and why she's lasted so long. Lots of people her age are stuck in the 80s/90s and the world has just moved on from them, but they keep hanging on.

by Anonymousreply 12504/23/2020

R122 She was great at balancing esoteric aesthetics with mainstream popularity, so that Vogue was able to straddle both financial success and authenticity. She got shit on for embracing the Kardashians but at the time it was the only way to tap into the changing zeitgeist. Instagram makes fashion magazines irrelevant, so perhaps it's a good thing she co-opted them when she did.

by Anonymousreply 12604/23/2020

R46, Lenin opened gulags. He created a ruthless secret police. He ordered the killing of millions. He was at least a sociopath, perhaps a psychopath.

by Anonymousreply 12704/23/2020

They finally found his Haloween costume.

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R125 There's just no profitable model in the digital context. Most people only bought Vogue for the pictures and we can get that for free on IG. People who bought it for fashion reviews can just watch those on YouTube. It's too clunky a business to go into the next era and Anna is amazing for somehow keeping the ship afloat this long. Mark my words, she'll be the last editor in chief. Aside from the met gala, everything Vogue does is now the dormain of singular creators on YouTube or Instagram which is simply not her fault

by Anonymousreply 12904/23/2020

The sunglasses are too small. You can still see parts of her exposed face.

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by Anonymousreply 13004/23/2020

Doesn’t she have permanent dents under her eyes from wearing sunglasses all the time?

by Anonymousreply 13104/23/2020

For someone who's only claim to fame (and having a high paid job in the industry's leading magazine) is supposedly his impeccable taste,, this was an unforgivable crime. Anna should have cast him out the minute this come on TV.

I'm not even a fashionista or have studied fashion, but it's pretty simple fashion 101 that an overweight woman (with exception being made for the my-600-life types like Chrissy or Gabourey) should always, specially if she is going to win an Oscar, be: always cinched, have a non-clothing statement piece and/or most importantly have a luxurious fabric, with preference to intricate beading.

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Exibit A: Cinched and statement piece (flower) that takes your eyes away from the weight.

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by Anonymousreply 13304/23/2020

Exibit B: Cinched and gorgeous, beaded fabric

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by Anonymousreply 13404/23/2020

J-Hud actually changed immediately afterwards to another gown that actually made her look great. But the damage had already been done.

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Or if you are on the verge of becoming a my-600-life overweight, don't even wear a gown.

Like her.

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by Anonymousreply 13604/23/2020

Oops, like her

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by Anonymousreply 13704/23/2020

He was never catty or mean on ANTM from what I recall so it's not hard for me to believe he's a decent person. And he's very articulate. But yea...I fear he hasn't much longer to live.

by Anonymousreply 13804/23/2020

Tim Gunn, who I like a lot, called it a long time ago (about Anna Wintour being a horrible person).

ALT probably needs / wants money right now. He probably has health problems as well.

by Anonymousreply 13904/23/2020

His interview with Robin Givhan (YouTube) reminded me that he can be entertaining in his perspective and catalogue of anecdotes.

Whether for sentimentality or because they are not in a position to argue, many of his best stories are about the dead. In the way he says his high school ALT self was a walking encyclopedia and one-man fan club of C Z Guest and Gloria Vanderbilt, it would seem he sometimes embroiders and borrows for some stories, yet he can turn out a sharp observation that hits the truth and gives a point to fashion as something behind the purely frivolous. And he can appreciate a sharp mind.

Tents and black plastic trash bag garments aside, he can be both absurd and make interesting observations. No doubt the line to pay him for this sort of thing is quite short. Too bad he has to do bitchy exposées of a universally recognized bitch to make a few coins, but as others have mentioned, it always comes as a surprise and too soon to hear that you've been declared surplus and a cost drain and are being set adrift.

by Anonymousreply 14004/23/2020

R100 You said a mouthful. White mediocrity is everywhere everyday. You see it in media, music, film, television, politics, education, etc.

And Trump is the living embodiment of White mediocrity. White mediocrity lives all throughout America and always have. They've always gotten things they didn't deserve. But think their victims.

I'm glad you said what you said. We're are getting to see what White mediocrity is right now. Just look at how the damn country is being run during this pandemic we're all living through.

It didn't have to get to this point, but white mediocrity got us here. And it's costing lives to boot.

SMH!

by Anonymousreply 14104/23/2020

I swear I do not have an Anna Wintour doll that I dress up every day (ok, maybe... every... *other* day? lol). And I certainly do not have it on my bucket list to scrape acquaintance with her. But I've been aware of her over the past year. And I get slammed and flamed for stating what is transparently the truth: print media is an arch conservative boys only club. It will give the impression of being hip, of being woke, supportive of women who have career goals as focused any man. But that's not really the case. It's all right for a woman with a vision of what she wants her career to be, as long as that vision doesn't compete with something men want. Further up thread, someone asked what is it that drives Anna Wintour to continue with her career in fashion as Editor in Chief of American Vogue (& other titles I'm too darn lazy to look up). And it's perfectly understandable to ask that question.

Because, unlike me, and more than likely, many of us swag DLers, Fashion has contained the air Dame Anna needs to breathe since she was a schoolgirl at a private North London prep school (or whatever those schools are called in England. Here in the Colonies we'd call it elementary and junior high school). Fashion CONSUMED her.

Kevin Spacey, when he was a guest on The Actor's Studio brought to you by Lipton Tea (joke) said that to succeed as an actor you have to breathe it, eat it, become it. Jimi Hendrix never put his guitar down; he'd play it at meals (must've been a right bother in bed wiv all them groupies), That's what it was like for Anna. Her father was on of Max Beaverbrook's bully boys. To deviate slightly, but provide some kind of clue as to what's bred in her bones, Anna's brother was hit by a car whilst riding his bicycle, and died a short while afterwards from the injuries he sustained. Anna's mother called her husband, who was in a meeting with Beaverbrook. Her husband took the call, then returned to the meeting! Anna's devotion to fashion was looked upon with upper middle class English disdain, suspicion, and probably the horror parents feel when they can't for the life of them imagine how their child ever deviated. But after her brother's death, Anna was her father's favourite.

The only job she ever wanted, and this is from when she was like eight years old, was to be Editor in Chief of American Vogue.

So what I've used A to Z to get to from A to B (to those of you whose attention span can actually sit through this shower of shite) is to ask how many of us knew from that early an age, not only what career path we wanted to pursue, but the job title as well?

And again, if she were a man, there would be no 'Ice Queen', 'Cold Bitch,', 'Backstabbing Cunt' references. 'A true leader in his field, admitting nothing less than he was convinced he deserved,' or some such journo cut and paste crap, would be how Anna Wintour would be described if she were a man.

The Joke about the heart operation was hilarious; I really enjoyed it. If she were a man, would we even question if she had a heart? She rose to the top job in a male dominated pool of sharks.

She's gotta be doing something right at CN, otherwise there would've been the 'retirement tale #xx' by now. And I'll finish now (I know, anybody who has made it this far is prolly thinking, 'this bitch never should have started. Doesn't he ever fucking edit anything?) by asking one final question: has anybody ever head Anna Wintour talk shit about people publicly? I think it does show she's resolutely unconcerned what others think of her, unless it can harm her position.

by Anonymousreply 14204/23/2020

I'm sure Kim Kardashian is depressed she won't get to flaunt her ass at the MET this year.

COVID-19 Had other plans.

by Anonymousreply 14304/23/2020

Horrible people are horrible?

I, for one, am shocked.

by Anonymousreply 14404/23/2020

I don't think he needs $$$. He has a nice home in white plains NY.

I wonder how close he is to Naomi Campbell?

I love her.

by Anonymousreply 14504/23/2020

avoid

the sow can be smelled a block away.

nasty!

by Anonymousreply 14604/23/2020

Puhleese! Talley should be smart to realize that there are no close personal relationships in business. Anna is a business woman who was doing her thing. One never mingles with the help.

by Anonymousreply 14704/24/2020

[R143], I can just see her on her hands and knees picking up the 200mg tablets of Sertraline that spill out of the bottle every time she steals some of Kanye's because she's already maxed out of her monthly script!

If there's one good thing to come of this horrible pandemic, it's being secure in the knowledge that I won't stumble across this year's picture of Kanye arriving on the red carpet, looking constipated.

by Anonymousreply 14804/24/2020

J'adore DL threads on ALT and Nuclear Wintour!

You bitches always deliver.

by Anonymousreply 14904/24/2020

King of Krispy Kreme.

by Anonymousreply 15004/24/2020

"She's not capable of simple human kindness".

He sounds like Blanche DuBois

he certainly has a way with words, which I like

by Anonymousreply 15104/24/2020

"...airport taxi stands in Europe"

in Europe........ IN EUROPE!

by Anonymousreply 15204/24/2020

Would it kill him to lose 100lbs?!

by Anonymousreply 15304/24/2020

R68 I believe his longest relationship has been with Sara Lee.

by Anonymousreply 15404/24/2020

OP’s title made me cackle. You bitches.

by Anonymousreply 15504/24/2020

He sounds like he would be exhausting to spend time with.

I think that Anna and the others kept him around because looking at him could make anyone feel better about themselves.

by Anonymousreply 15604/24/2020

R31 You don't know from ugly.

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Last year I walked around Andre.

by Anonymousreply 15804/24/2020

One in every bathroom

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As if being frozen out by my heartless friend of decades—decades, I tell you!—were not enough, you know that this whole unpleasant business leaves me not only short of funds but short of personal assistants, R159. Oh, we had a revolving door of interns in the executive suites of Condé Nast, and without exception every one of them had to be trained, from the ground up, trained to walk, trained at what distance to follow, trained when to talk, trained when [bold]not[/bold] to talk, trained to our likes and dislikes, to our every proclivity and peccadillo, and not least importantly trained to carry. Yes, trained to carry the all important bag with all manner of things that one never needs and then, suddenly, one does with great urgency, a drawing of a monkey's paw made by a Tibetan monk I met and that I shall press into the "paw" of my dear friend Manolo Blahnik the next time I see him (You know his family were very rich in the Canarias, and kept pet monkeys?), a crisp $5 bill for that young man who pushes my trolley to the parking lot at Costco, the million small things one needs. Anyway, carrying [italic]The Extension[/italic] I like to call it in its velvet sack wrapped with sheets of the most divine Japanese hand-made waxed paper—it's impervious to all!—was of no small importance I tell you, and the better interns could discern from the mere suggestion of a gentle arch of an eyebrow that the time of need was near and would start my preparations involving [italic]The Extension[/italic].

by Anonymousreply 16004/24/2020

I’ve met Wintour- at a large charity dinner where she was a speaker. She was incredibly impressive in the support of Obama at the time and her Philanthropic efforts and initiatives for the HIV affected in the fashion industry. She was cordial, funny, and looked great. She is more than Vogue editor now at CN and I suspect much of the criticism of her is basically misogyny. She would have an entirely different rep if she was a he.

by Anonymousreply 16104/24/2020

[quote] "...airport taxi stands in Europe"

[quote] in Europe........ IN EUROPE!

And ... and, you know what's in the east? EASTERN EUROPE!!!!

by Anonymousreply 16204/24/2020

R161 thinks that a carefully crafted public persona is the actual person.

Not.

Anna is excellent in public -- says the right things, supports the right causes. It's the moment the spotlight is gone when the real Anna comes out: vindictive, mean-spirited, barely human. Those of us who've had to deal with the real Anna figure it out within a few days of working for or with her.

by Anonymousreply 16304/24/2020

"Vindictive", "mean spirited" - aren't those very human qualities?

by Anonymousreply 16404/24/2020

I feel like her ice-queen and bitchy attitude is a hold-over from management styles that have begun to be called out and corrected the past 20 years.

Yes, everyone has their mean boss story, but bitchy and mean people (or divas) are not given the free pass anymore. They're being called out and identified, one branch of which has been the MeToo movement.

I don't feel like this 'brand' is anything people want to accept anymore. And that's a good thing!

Lastly, the democratization of the internet has taken away the power centers of NY and Paris in fashion, like in many industries. There is much more wide access - it's not the few and the elite who curate fashion and pass it down to everyone else to eat up.

It's what is making the large cities not as unique anymore. That's my take anyway.

by Anonymousreply 16504/24/2020

What's she hiding with those sunglasses? She looks ridiculous sitting indoors talking to Naomi Campbell over Skype with her fucking sunglasses on.

by Anonymousreply 16604/24/2020

The glasses are part of her brand.

by Anonymousreply 16704/24/2020

Anna Wintour always looks like she is holding back a big hard piece of stool.

by Anonymousreply 16804/24/2020

For R132.......

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[quote] Kevin Spacey, when he was a guest on The Actor's Studio brought to you by Lipton Tea (joke) said that to succeed as an actor you have to breathe it, eat it, become it. Jimi Hendrix never put his guitar down; he'd play it at meals (must've been a right bother in bed wiv all them groupies),

Please don't quit your day job. Ever.

by Anonymousreply 17004/24/2020

R163, you worked for or with Wintour? I’m a tad more sophisticated than you suggest especially when able to observe and interact with someone casually. I am fully aware that her good manners and relaxed presentation socially are just that- presentation. However I’m pretty good at spotting trouble. Perks of growing older.

by Anonymousreply 17104/24/2020

[quote] I’ve met Wintour- at a large charity dinner where she was a speaker. She was incredibly impressive in the support of Obama at the time and her Philanthropic efforts and initiatives for the HIV affected in the fashion industry. She was cordial, funny, and looked great. She is more than Vogue editor now at CN and I suspect much of the criticism of her is basically misogyny. She would have an entirely different rep if she was a he.—charlie

There's charlie in a nutshell: name-dropping and virtue-signalling simultaneously.

by Anonymousreply 17204/24/2020

nice to see your posts, charlie

by Anonymousreply 17304/24/2020

[quote] I’m a tad more sophisticated than you suggest especially when able to observe and interact with someone casually.

Yes, charlie. We've all seen how you are [bold]so[/bold] objective when it comes to famous white Establishment women with whom you scrape acquaintance.

by Anonymousreply 17404/24/2020

The late Kal Ruttenstein of Bloomingdale's had to speak at an awards dinner at the 42nd Street Library where Wintour was being honored. He had to say how she was his Muse. He confided in me that he couldn't stand her and furthermore he didn't even like women.

by Anonymousreply 17504/24/2020

Charlie has defended Michelle Obama here, r174.

I appreciate Charlie's posts.

by Anonymousreply 17604/24/2020

What the fuck is Charlie, a perfume? A chocolate factory?

by Anonymousreply 17704/24/2020

Honestly, if she took him along with her as she rose as he describes, he needs to just be grateful and shut it. All gravy trains come to an end.

by Anonymousreply 17804/24/2020

This is why people should always save their $$$. Especially if you work in Arts, entertainment music or fashion.

Because when the shit hits the fan and everything drys up. You'll be out of gas. Save and invest wisely, so you can stay in within the confines of comfort and luxury for life. Or otherwise, you'll be forced to go get, dare I say, a real Job.

And that's something no one who works in the Arts want. They want to stay in a world of fantasy and make believe, and that's exactly what the world of Art and entertainment is.

I wouldn't want it to end either.

by Anonymousreply 17904/24/2020

R165 You're right. Large cities have lost much of their allure in the past few years.

by Anonymousreply 18004/24/2020

Both their pussies stink.

by Anonymousreply 18104/24/2020

Jeez, we're attacking charlie and Della now? It's getting rough up in here.

by Anonymousreply 18204/24/2020

Well, it's not like Charlie doesn't have form when it comes to curbing discussion. He's very "nothing to see here." It's unsurprising that posters of a gossip forum wouldn't take kindly to that.

by Anonymousreply 18304/24/2020

Like the above poster said, of course Wintour would be on her best behavior at a public event where she was the focus. The stories about her in the office are another matter.

by Anonymousreply 18404/24/2020

What was Andre's best contrubution to Vogue? Can you link to one specific article, feature or issue he worked on?

by Anonymousreply 18504/24/2020

[quote]Like the above poster said, of course Wintour would be on her best behavior at a public event where she was the focus. The stories about her in the office are another matter.

Atta girl!

by Anonymousreply 18604/24/2020

In the world and business of fashion, no one is nice. Everyone is a cunt and it's only a matter of degree fo cuntiness. So for AW to be considered a cunt in that environment means that she's the cuntiest of cunts. If she was a man she'd be someone who's being skewed on SM for #timesup behavior. She's a straight up sociopath who's only being lauded as this great fashion maven due to her past of intimidating people around her. It's all smoke and mirrors, the more people acquiesced to her demands and gave her power, the more feared she became. In reality I suspect she's like the wizard in Wizard of Oz, once you strip her of all that is her public image she's really just a pathetic, powerless person.

by Anonymousreply 18704/24/2020

She also ruined Vogue R187.

by Anonymousreply 18804/24/2020

Give us some details. "Intimidated people around her" is a fairly dry summation.

by Anonymousreply 18904/24/2020

Yes R188 it used to be great covers with models and interesting articles from time to time, but it went downhill in the few years prior to Kim Kardashian on the covers. Then it became all about celebrities instead of fashion.

by Anonymousreply 19004/24/2020

[quote]The glasses are part of her brand.

She's not a brand, she's a fucking editor. What do you think she is, Meghan (Just Call Me Dutchess) Markle? Yves St. Laurent?

She has her signature personal style, she's associated with a prominent media company, but you could say the same for Bennett Cerf.

As for her attracting criticism because she's a woman, sexism plays into everything but to say her reputation would not make a ripple were she a man is ridiculous. As R165 notes, High Powered Bitch Boss is more than a little outdated and she has been riding on the fumes of that for a long time.

Diana Vreeland was a bitch, too, impatient and rude to colleagues, imperious, but not an ice princess shell disguising an even icier core. Vreeland was brilliant beyond Wintour in 100 different ways and had a far greater influence and her legacy is not a pair of sun shades and 100% Bitch, it was something more more and all from a woman whose Vogue career ended in 1971. Vreeland was ahead of her time, Wintour is just a bitch wrapped in an armour of bitchiness in a style of Power Bitch that went out of fashion many seasons ago

by Anonymousreply 19104/24/2020

For someone so powerful in fashion, her personal style is boring imo and I haaaaaaaate her hair with a passion!

by Anonymousreply 19204/24/2020

[quote] What the fuck is Charlie, a perfume? A chocolate factory?

More like an eighteenth-century European courtier, but even more obsequious.

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Funny how this charlie person thinks that his comments are always the be all, end all on any thread, as if once he has spoken, everyone else can just clam up.

What a pedantic little twit he is for a shop bottom, especially one of his advanced years.

by Anonymousreply 19404/24/2020

Does he? I think he kinda weighs in from his own particular world, which isn't my world, but I kind of like to hear about it. I don't get the charlie hate.

by Anonymousreply 19504/24/2020

[quote] I don't get the charlie hate.

I take it that you've never been in a Babs thread before.

by Anonymousreply 19604/24/2020

[quote] Large cities have lost much of their allure in the past few years.

While that is true, the internet & social media is still looking at the taste makers at American & British Vogue, located in large cities, to tell them what is going to sell trend wise.

by Anonymousreply 19704/24/2020

Today's "tastemakers" at American & British Vogue?

No no no. They are called influencers now, and they live on Instagram and TikTok.

by Anonymousreply 19804/24/2020

I don't understand the Charlie hate either. I like his stories.

by Anonymousreply 19904/24/2020

But isn't he already "lingering on, incapacitated"? Like for the last two decades? I doubt that he saved a nickel (size 50XL moo-moos made out of the upholstery of 1972 Cadillacs are NOT cheap) when he had the chance, so he's just trying to make a buck. Bucket. Mmmmm bucket of chicken.

by Anonymousreply 20004/24/2020

[quote] No no no. They are called influencers now, and they live on Instagram and TikTok.

The influencer get PAID to shill something. Who pays them? The companies which created their fashionable product based on taste makers' recommendations. Trends don't start with the influencers. They just sell them to their followers.

by Anonymousreply 20104/24/2020

R201 I totally agree, today's influencers have zero creativity, not creative output at all. The last time that street/ anti-fashion culture spawned any sort of fashion influence was circa early to mid 1990s with grunge, when it was fashion being influenced upwards instead of downwards. Fashion houses were busy copping the grunge look but more upscale. And I wasn't even a fan of that look in high school. But that short period quickly faded away and it was designer labels and exclusivity, even grunge princesses like Courtney Love were into that shit. Now fashion is bland and there's no style, no POV anymore, all the influencers look and dress the same because they take their MERCHING orders from retailers and fashion industry.

by Anonymousreply 20204/24/2020

Hello Angels.

by Anonymousreply 20304/24/2020

Goodbye, Hack!

by Anonymousreply 20404/24/2020

What about ME.

by Anonymousreply 20504/24/2020

The rotund court jester was banished from the castle for not being amusing any more and the evil queen lived happily after

by Anonymousreply 20604/24/2020

He should turn the book into a movie! My Buffet with Andre.

by Anonymousreply 20704/24/2020

[quote] I don't get the charlie hate.

[quote] I take it that you've never been in a Babs thread before.

Or a Kennedys thread, where he will go on and on about that hyperarticulate and charismatic superstar Caroline.

by Anonymousreply 20804/24/2020

any poster who regularly signs a name will get hate trolls, which is why most of us don't do it

by Anonymousreply 20904/24/2020

He sounds just like a datalounger. An exhausting datalounger.

by Anonymousreply 21004/24/2020

Here she is, arriving somewhere dressed as Queen Mary (the person, not the ship. Although...) And are we really expected to believe that Madge offered to blow her? How would one do that without a floor jack?

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So much nasty hate on this thread about people none of you know.

by Anonymousreply 21204/24/2020

Lots of jealousy here too.

by Anonymousreply 21304/24/2020

[R170], I am not sure I understand your post, "Kevin Spacey, when he was a guest on The Actor's Studio brought to you by Lipton Tea (joke) said that to succeed as an actor you have to breathe it, eat it, become it. Jimi Hendrix never put his guitar down; he'd play it at meals (must've been a right bother in bed wiv all them groupies), Please don't quit your day job. Ever.

—cringing with pain"

I come to DL and read far more posts than I respond to. And when I respond I try to make sure I get my point across. I have to admit the post that contained those sentences just would not let me shake free. I made sure to proof it. Not all humour has to fall into a certain niche.*

*You, for example. But that's something I'll save for when I have more time. As in never. I also find myself far more self-concious posting anything here than anywhere else there's two other sites I visit fairly regularly). One site is non judgemental in the extreme and all the members are supportive of each other. So unlike here.

And when I'm self-concious I can get nervous. When I get nervous I will write silly things.

There now! I will say, both me, your social workers, and the jury that convicted you, are all quite chuffed that you've actually gotten it together enough to compose a complete sentence!

Baby steps. Now, don't push yourself too hard. But honestly, when has anybody every accused you of anything other than sayig things that nobody can rememer five minutes later?

I'm having too much fun with this. Have a good weekend at the halfway house. Be sure you clean that remote now!

by Anonymousreply 21404/24/2020

Shouldn't he be grateful that he is no longer working at Vogue but living in relative safety in the White Plains area? I mean, a man his age, and with his size, if he should have gotten Coronavirus, as he would most likely have gotten if he still lived and worked in the city, he would be dead by now.

by Anonymousreply 21504/25/2020

He's doing this trying to drum up sales for his book, pure and simple. No one cares about him personally, but if he dishes dirt on AW, he'll get the Page Six attention he so desperately craves.

by Anonymousreply 21604/25/2020

white plains got hit hard and early with this health crisis.

by Anonymousreply 21704/25/2020

R194 Kindly insert your tongue into a dead dog's anus. TIA!

by Anonymousreply 21804/25/2020

R194 Kindly insert your tongue into a dead dog's anus. TIA!

by Anonymousreply 21904/25/2020

I sold a dead dog's anus to Anthony Perkins in '78. Impeccable manners.

by Anonymousreply 22004/25/2020

Please find here a much better written and well balanced article than the crap OP posted.

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by Anonymousreply 22104/27/2020

This memoir sounds like an impending expensive failure, like that awful documentary with the pretentious title “The Gospel According to Andre”. There is a lot to dislike about this old gasbag, like his prattling on about how much fancy clothing and how many expensive vacations he mooched off of gross old Karl Lagerfeld before being dropped for Choupette, the late designer’s famously spoiled cat. He may be under some form of pressure to drag & shade Anna Wintour to build some interest in his memoir. It’s not nice to kick a broke old hoarder when he’s down, but he represents all the putrid artificiality of the fashion world in a time that has mercifully ended. He is unfortunately much less important as a style icon than he seems to think, and there are better examples of diverse creative influencers like Oswald Boateng who actually built businesses and produced goods. ALT is usually described (charitably) as a cheerleader for haute couture and that is a pretty shitty legacy. He might be remembered more fondly if he wasn’t such a greedy, needy hanger-on. His “champions” are dead now, or just plain sick of him. A bitchy memoir seems undignified and desperate. It’s sad. Sorry, mate.

by Anonymousreply 22204/28/2020

[quote]There is a lot to dislike about this old gasbag,

But, there's a lot to like about him too. His poor beginnings and how people believed in him to push him into being one of the major personalities in the fashion industry. A tall, black, gay, man, in the heavily religious south and black community, could not have been easy.

by Anonymousreply 22304/28/2020

Hate to dis a brother, but he’s grotesque. Not just because of the weight, but he’s UGLAY. Surrounded by all of these beautiful people who have access to the best in skin, hair care and yes, weight control and he looks like that?

by Anonymousreply 22404/28/2020

^Which only makes his story even better, R224

by Anonymousreply 22504/28/2020

[R22], I applaud you.

by Anonymousreply 22604/28/2020

Um, stick an extra '2' in there, please...

by Anonymousreply 22704/28/2020

Anna, in her Emmapeeler.

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[quote] Hate to dis a brother

Then don't. Whatever happened to black is beautiful

by Anonymousreply 22904/28/2020

Black is bountiful.

by Anonymousreply 23004/28/2020

R230, very clever (not)

What a cheap shot. I bet you feel so proud

by Anonymousreply 23104/28/2020

I don’t think that applies to Leon r229.

by Anonymousreply 23204/29/2020

R214 = butthurt fraucunt

by Anonymousreply 23304/29/2020

Andre Leon Talley: The Silence Breaker

RalphRucci: Now you DO REALIZE that a door, locked for years, out of fear of retribution for truth, has been OPENED WIDE. My dear friend and man of such vision, intelligence, and hurt has spoken forth regarding the British woman who works at Vogue. I am proud of him for taking this step because there has been so much personal evil and destruction, and now perhaps others will feel safe to speak.

Last night He asked when will I find my space of strength and tell all. I told him and you that I will.... now he must take center stage. I have been working on all of the evil memories, and we have emailed and photographed proof along with many, many people who came forth and spoken..... and I will write about what I had to contend with concerning this very, very meaningless person who deeply knew that she had no substance to exist in the realms of Snow, Vreeland, Mirabella, Orton, Weir, and thus she had to ice berg her self to float through the sea and destroy not help our metier. It’s finished! The recalibration of life, perspective, and the essence, which is the need and destination of love, will now lift this disease. Oh, she did not act alone, she had a diabolical man who assisted in the santanic plan. Karma. It’s a severe injury to the brain to realize that we have tolerated this mediocrity in our metier for almost four decades.

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by Anonymousreply 23404/29/2020

Who the fuck is that linked at r234?

by Anonymousreply 23504/29/2020

Daaaaaaaaaaamn, Ralph!

by Anonymousreply 23604/29/2020

which diablocal man is Ralph referring to? The Newhouses? Alex Lieberman?

by Anonymousreply 23704/29/2020

ALT’s intense (autistic?) focus on the lavish details of old, frausty couture (buttons, linings, rare and unusual fabrics) probably was considered expertise for a time, and he was very fortunate (and, to be fair, industrious in a way) to find ways to monetize that. But these last years of his career are sad, though. All the boasting and “ruined finery” is more irritating than interesting. Also, taking public cheap shots at Anna Wintour might not end well for him. He is becoming a pariah. She was probably too good to him for too long.

If the rock&roll groupie/skank memoirist Pamela Des Barres and Marcel Proust produced a child, and you inflated that child with an air hose and draped it in some silk, you might have another ALT. But would you want that?

by Anonymousreply 23804/30/2020

say what u will the doc THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ANDRE is magnifique ~~ jus saw it....great fun,,,,the ho knew ev body!!!$$$$$

by Anonymousreply 23904/30/2020

Indeed, tho the black lady/narrator (wears that yellow big assed coat near the end) with big bug eyes and pompous way of talking reduces it to a mess.

by Anonymousreply 24004/30/2020

Damn, sounds like Ralph Rucci could give a master class in Mary!

by Anonymousreply 24104/30/2020

[quote]But these last years of his career are sad, though. All the boasting and “ruined finery” is more irritating than interesting.

What would you suggest that he do? I'm serious. Given his experience, but with his age, and the state of the fashion industry, what can he do?

by Anonymousreply 24204/30/2020

"...buttons, linings, rare and unusual fabrics..."

Polyester mass produced poor quality duds suit you R238.

by Anonymousreply 24304/30/2020

R242 ideally he could curate, consult and advise museum exhibits and documentaries/nonfiction media. He is well-educated and experienced. Yet when doing that previously, he was described as impossible to deal with, wheeling around on a scooter and admonishing subordinates not to distract him. On the set of his awful documentary he was generally miserable to deal with, barking commands like “I need coffee!” to bystanders who were not even involved with the production. He’s an unusual, complex, and messy presence. Hopefully he has the means to age comfortably. I hope he leaves more to his alma mater and to SCAD than piles of old clothes and books. Maybe he will be able to do that if his book sells, and that may be why they are trying to build interest in it through the tabloid culture. But it sounds kind of desperate, a “hail, Mary” pass. Sorry to sound cold here, but he is an interesting public case, professionally. Almost an allegory.

by Anonymousreply 24404/30/2020

[quote][R242] ideally he could curate, consult and advise museum exhibits and documentaries/nonfiction media. He is well-educated and experienced.

I agree with you, R244. But, I think his ego is too overblown for that. In never really being THE diva I think he believes that he is now and deserves his shot to be that. However, it doesn't work that way. I can see him doing television. Doing like those 15 minute fashion reviews like Elsa Klensch used to do. The audience would get its expert and he would get his ego boost.

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[R238], in a hazy dream world vision, I see you as officiating my marriage. Your post makes so much sense and says what I want to say without the fillagree. Ta-ra...

by Anonymousreply 24604/30/2020

Handbags at dawn.

by Anonymousreply 24704/30/2020

Purse !

he can sell his house, clothes, bags and jewelry and live ok, in a hovel in Queens. start a GoFundMe u old hippo

Anna gonna gitcha good!

by Anonymousreply 24805/01/2020

Sigh....still more huffing and puffing.

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[quote]Elsewhere in his memoir, Talley recalled sharing a baked potato and caviar with the late designer Halston — alongside lines of cocaine —

How delicious!

by Anonymousreply 25005/01/2020

R249 Wait, what? Tally was offended that no one at Vogue acknowledged an op-Ed piece that he managed to get into print? Seriously, these teasers in PageSix look suspiciously like paid media to build interest in a shitty memoir. But it’s very cynical and dirty to mischaracterize Wintour and CN’s editorial team as racist for not lauding his limp, factually incorrect op-Ed piece. Yeah, yeah...Wintour is a cold fish. So, what? She is proper to simply not engage with ALT and his cheesy, bootleg press machine. He really is not and wasn’t ever really any great icon of equity or diversity. He is not an intellectual like Ta-Nehisi Coates, but more so a spoiled narcissist and a gadfly fop. This last, inelegant gasp for attention is so cheap and amateurish. From his awful documentary and now this feeble tabloid push to build heat around a follow-on memoir, it looks like this poor guy is desperate, really disloyal and “confused” by the way his influential associations ended. He is like an overfed, wounded skunk scratching at the door at the end of summer, not ready for a cold, lean Wintour (Sorry for clumsy pun/homonym). Here’s a helpful tip for ALT: Print “remainder” on the spine of that crappy memoir...save the booksellers a step. I say this with love in my heart, but this tedious mess really needs to bugger off and get lost...ungrateful guttersnipe.

by Anonymousreply 25105/01/2020

R234. I follow Ralph Rucci on Instagram and while he’s a talented designer, he is easily the most pretentious person I follow. I especially love when describing some socialite as his BFF with exquisite taste, he would misspell her name.

by Anonymousreply 25205/01/2020

^MMPH... very scary.

How many people are there that have developed superficial relationships and have never built a life for themselves? It sounds to me that ATL has grown into an old, fat, and bitter queen, that is very lonely.

by Anonymousreply 25305/01/2020

Ralph Rucci isn’t pretentious. He’s the most down to earth person who also HAPPENS to be the most talented designer alive. The fact that he’s sticking up for his friend, in a very gracious way, speaks volumes about his character. He’s very kind.

by Anonymousreply 25405/01/2020

[quote]I follow Ralph Rucci on Instagram

I started following him long ago because he had a dog that I fell in love with just through pictures. I miss Twombly.

Things are heating up here with Mr. ATL

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This devil knows nada.

by Anonymousreply 25605/01/2020

But what does ALT expect really? Besides interior design, I cannot think of any industry with a bitchier, more mean girl attitude than fashion. Two good fashion books I recently read were Loulou & Yves and The Beautiful Fall, both about YSL.

by Anonymousreply 25705/01/2020

Is that a wig or Anna's real hair? Her hairdo hasn't changed in eons.

by Anonymousreply 25805/01/2020

Anna Wintour looks like the killer tranny from Dressed to Kill.

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by Anonymousreply 25905/03/2020

its fun shits n giggles to see the big bag hag andre on u tube yappin up a storm, like he so smart, yet cant push away the twinkies and mashed taters

WEAK

by Anonymousreply 26005/04/2020

ALT-wrong

by Anonymousreply 26105/04/2020

Fashion insiders relish Anna Wintour backlash amid stalled Met Gala, catty memoir

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[quote]Talley told WWD that he sent Wintour a galley of the book and that she asked him to make a few changes, which he did. But sources told The Post that Wintour was also extremely hurt by the highly personal nature of his attacks, as were her longtime loyal colleagues at the magazine.

So, I view this simply as sour grapes from Talley. He was fat. He no longer really worked hard and contributed. She told him to get out. End of story.

by Anonymousreply 26305/04/2020

R263

[quote] He no longer really worked hard and contributed.

For some (I presume remnants from slavery days) blacks never work 'hard enough'.

Leon Talley is a household name, he does not have to 'work hard and contribute' , he has done more than enough — that should be left to the likes of you.

by Anonymousreply 26405/04/2020

André Leon Talley: The "Glass Ceiling" at Vogue /2014

After 30 years at Vogue, the world's most influential fashion magazine, André Leon Talley left to become the editor-at-large for the Russian edition of the fashion magazine Numéro. Watch as he reveals his disappointments with the fashion industry and why he was finally ready to leave his long-held position. Plus, André dishes about the person he calls "the most powerful woman in fashion," Vogue editor-in-chief Anna Wintour.

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Didn’t he have a short stint as the “fashion guru” at ZAPPOS.COM?😂

Well, he did. And he’s also quite FAT!

by Anonymousreply 26605/04/2020

"Enjoy walking through the delights of the outdoor, and in fairness, tentative exhibition Andre Leon Talley: Haberdash for Humanity."

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by Anonymousreply 26705/05/2020

old bitch had his day in the sun, be humble that she kept ur phat arse around as long as she did...u have to be healthy thin and decent lookin to be a voguer.....grace coddington excluded...

tho im shockd skunt anna still there, she has stabbed a lot of folks in da back.

WHO WILL REPLACE HER SKINNY ASS?

by Anonymousreply 26805/05/2020

Fatness aside, the real issue with this fellow is his giant ego and gross self-misperception of his influence and stature. It’s hard to be honest about his meaningful creative output without sounding racist, but the objective truth is that there are so many more esteemed role models of his profile who did not undervalue their mentors and protectors. He was essentially a cheerleader for haute couture and a personality in an archaic fashion world, yet he aspires for recognition way beyond that. He was more lucky than talented. In his last years, he was more of a preening narcissist than any sort of creative force. His documentary and now memoir underlie forms of holographic legacy. Lots of anecdotes about ridiculously clothes (“Charvet, darling!”), but not much substance or gravitas. He was generally good at building affinity with talented, famous and industrious people, but he isn’t really one himself. His big talents are eating, taking, boasting and self-aggrandizing, but these are not so interesting or meaningful anymore. Even his triumph over adversity is overstated when you think honestly about real icons of diversity in creative media. He’s just obnoxious. Scratch the surface, and find very little underneath. It’s sad but also irritating. Next stop: Reality tv, something like My 600-lb Life - Celebrity Edition. He also misspeaks and misuses words and ideas like aristocracy, and that’s unacceptable for any sort of editor, even one “at-large”.

by Anonymousreply 26905/05/2020

Her ego apparently increased as her girth got obese.....food over health/appealing looking.....twas his choice.

gravy n biscuits:::::blame it on granny missy.

by Anonymousreply 27005/05/2020

Thank you, R269. It's not about racism--although I will not dismiss ATL's comments about racism within the fashion industry. This is about ATL and his attitude. That's why I found R264's hurtful and offensive.

by Anonymousreply 27105/05/2020

In the pantheon of Warhol associates, ALT succeeded at staying in orbit, and hopped across the river on stones like Lagerfeld and Wintour and a few socialites, too. But this last public, passive character assassination of Wintour is really cynical and dirty. Other Warhol acolytes and affiliates like Fran Lebowitz and Penny Arcade and Bob Colacello moved on as more fully actualized adults. ALT can’t seem to manage that. He needs much more attention, and he’s willing to debase himself and others to get it. There is a sad and desperate artificiality to Talley that others in that sad, lurid bygone era let go of. ALT, not so much. In his shitty documentary, comment and faint praise by his associates seemed so forced and measured, like a producer stood a few feet off camera with a gun pointed at subjects like Wintour, who manages to praise his knowledge of obscure details related to couture. No one but Talley himself says he worked hard, saved a project, offered any tangible improvements to the systems that sustained him. He was, and is, a terrestrial remora, an air-breathing suckerfish. Maybe that’s interesting?

by Anonymousreply 27205/05/2020

They all seem on the spectrum. Good at detail; terrible at humanity. I’m including Anna in that. The giveaway in the fashion world is all the vocal affect. Its an aspies trait. So don’t look for empathy from them.

by Anonymousreply 27305/05/2020

[quote]He needs much more attention, and he’s willing to debase himself and others to get it. There is a sad and desperate artificiality to Talley that others in that sad, lurid bygone era let go of. ALT, not so much.

YES!!!!

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R273 Exactly. I sensed that in a few social interactions with Talley. He trails off in conversations unrelated to fashion, celebrity or himself. That obsessive focus on fashion in his youth and the poor quality of his peer relationships are markers for socially affective disorder, also hoarding and extreme behaviors like overspending, overeating, over-leveraging tenuous relationships. I wish he had a real friend to help him, to encourage him to behave more sensibly, like, I don’t know, Anna Wintour and his health intervention. Maybe that’s why it’s hard to watch him recast his experience at CN as any form of mistreatment. He was so fortunate but incapable of honesty or humility. That’s sad, really.

by Anonymousreply 27505/05/2020

I'm still not sure what he ever did to earn his keep.

by Anonymousreply 27605/05/2020

[quote]I’ve met Wintour- at a large charity dinner where she was a speaker. She was incredibly impressive in the support of Obama at the time and her Philanthropic efforts and initiatives for the HIV affected in the fashion industry. She was cordial, funny, and looked great. She is more than Vogue editor now at CN and I suspect much of the criticism of her is basically misogyny. She would have an entirely different rep if she was a he.

You’re not alone, Charlie. Several of us have met her.

The question then becomes what did we think?

I tend towards another opinion. Anna is akin to The Wizard of Oz. All puffed up on little but steely ego, intimidation and pretension. Her style isn’t even great: she just wields fear like a female overlord; threatening true talents in positions below her. (I can’t speak of ALT, but can of Grace Coddington.)

Anna’s time has long passed. Will be a breath of fresh air to see her go.

Then the question becomes, Who - and What - next?

by Anonymousreply 27705/05/2020

Review by Alexandra Shulman, former Editor in Chief of British VOGUE, of The Chiffon Trenches.

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That review is a fair and honest one. ALT seems like a real spoiled narcissist with a chip on his shoulder. I was surprised at how many times Wintour tried to help him recover his health, and how generous CN was in paying for his treatment. He looks really, really graceless, a miserable combination of self-aggrandizement and self-pity. One thing I don’t understand is how Lagerfeld’s shirts fit ALT. It sounds like Lagerfeld took Talley into the bedroom of his hotel suite, and took the shirts from his own wardrobe. But their sizes couldn’t have been the same. I saw a lot of Lagerfeld when I lived in Paris, and he was not a big guy, perhaps 5’9”. I also ran into Talley there (he wore a top hat) and Wintou, too, at the Ritz. She is tiny and fit. I also thought it was interesting how the reviewer notes how Wintour’s thinness enabled room in the front row of fashion shows for ALT. That’s some shade.

by Anonymousreply 27905/05/2020

[quote] ALT seems like a real spoiled narcissist with a chip on his shoulder.

YES!!! It's HIM! Racism does not even enter the picture as far as I'm concerned. IT'S HIM!!!! I think that R264 should apologize to everyone on this thread for being so hurtful and offensive to many of us here because of their posting.

by Anonymousreply 28005/06/2020

Four interventions about his weight? I’m guessing that they didn’t take....

by Anonymousreply 28105/06/2020

I understand that Wintour is a frosty cunt, however-who isn't in that industry, really? And if they're not, isn't that all fake anyway? The fashion industry strikes me as a seething viper pit--an aesthetic one, mind you--full of Gaboon & eyelash vipers rather than the usual rattlesnake riff-raff, but still...why do you only hear about her?

The biggest complaint, that she cheapened it by putting Kardashians on the cover was a hard business decision that had to be made in the new era. Publishing was taking a hit, and everyone was struggling to the point were a major shift was needed. You either go up or go down right now, there is no-one trying for the middle. She knew she had to go down at that point in time. Maybe the way she did it wasn't perfect, but it was a reasonable decision. It's not WWD, ffs.

I feel like I'm the only one who watched The September Issue & had no problem with her. (Granted, she's different in front of cameras; IMHO, the essence was true, though.) She was harsh, but spot on. I'm not one to jump on the outraged tumblr train, but I honestly wonder with her if she'd get the same criticisms as a male.

Do any of you queens in the industry have horror stories that can enlighten me as to why she gets all the hate?

by Anonymousreply 28205/07/2020

Sorry, he's disgusting. I wouldn't want to sit next to him; he'd be farting non-stop.

by Anonymousreply 28305/07/2020

Agree with r282 completely. The numbers would have been terrible if AW had decided to go up. Like it or not, Kim and gang defined this era.

by Anonymousreply 28405/07/2020

Screw the tell-all and instead write a book about style and everything you know. If you’re an authority, be an authority. What will your legacy be? Knowledge, or a catty tell-all? I wouldn’t let Anna ruin my career. I would create more art to show how much they lost by dismissing me. He’s just feeding her legend rather than his own.

by Anonymousreply 28505/08/2020

^ Excellent advice

by Anonymousreply 28605/08/2020

^ Exactly. His contributions seem to be nebulous and limited, at best. He would have served himself better by having a reason for his book other than being a catty bitch.

by Anonymousreply 28705/08/2020

The advance, [R287]?

by Anonymousreply 28805/08/2020

Wasn’t his book ALT about fashion? He’s not gonna write anything about his love life...who’d sleep with him without charging money?

by Anonymousreply 28905/09/2020

This thread is filled with angry White Devils I see. You white supremacists never stop, and no one with melanin in their skin is ever good enough for you assholes.

You all chip away at anything that isn't a Wasp.

by Anonymousreply 29005/09/2020

You pretend you're high Pretend you're bored Pretend you're anything Just to be adored And what you need Is what you get

Don't believe in fear Don't believe in faith Don't believe in anything That you can't break

stupid girl stupid girl All you had you wasted All you had you wasted

What drives you on Can drive you mad A million lies to sell yourself Is all you ever had

Don't believe in love Don't believe in hate Don't believe in anything That you can't waste

stupid girl stupid girl Can't believe you fake it Can't believe you fake it

Don't believe in fear Don't believe in pain Don't believe in anyone That you can't tame

stupid girl stupid girl All you had you wasted All you had you wasted

Stupid girl Stupid girl Can't believe you fake it I can't believe you fake it

Stupid girl Stupid girl Can't believe you fake it Can't believe you fake it

Stupid girl

by Anonymousreply 29105/09/2020

[quote]I wouldn’t let Anna ruin my career.

She didn't ruin his career. If anything, ATL is ruining his own career and legacy.

MAN! That's A LOT of material! But, good work and kudos to Ralph Rucci for giving him this look. It's quite "fitting." The Queen very much looks like a Grande Dame.

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Ok, he looks foolish in those things.

by Anonymousreply 29405/10/2020

Car covers are back!

by Anonymousreply 29505/10/2020

[quote]Ok, he looks foolish in those things.

I think she looks regal

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by Anonymousreply 29605/10/2020

He looks like a half inflated hot air balloon.

by Anonymousreply 29705/10/2020

His parachute didn't open.

by Anonymousreply 29805/10/2020

FAT SHAMING!

by Anonymousreply 29905/10/2020

Elegant!

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by Anonymousreply 30005/10/2020

^ Bitch stole my boat cover!

by Anonymousreply 30105/10/2020

Channeling Diane von Fürstenberg

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by Anonymousreply 30205/10/2020

Talley has to find another reality type show to go on. You'd be surprised how many people are aware of him only because of his judging appearance on ANTM. I think he was only on for one or two seasons but he made his mark and was a good and fair judge. He also had some catch phrases that were good. I could see him on PR, or maybe an African American centered design program.

by Anonymousreply 30305/10/2020

“Andre Leon Talley, of the circus-tent caftan Talleys” *DEAD x3*

by Anonymousreply 30405/10/2020

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Stylistically speaking, with his extreme weight, caftans are his best bet.

by Anonymousreply 30605/10/2020

[R290], it's not as simple as that.

by Anonymousreply 30705/10/2020

R290 Unfortunately, he marginalized himself through a pattern of peevish and self-interested behaviors that are equally offensive in individuals of any race, gender, weight or socioeconomic background. You might actually argue that he wasn’t called into account sooner because of the protected classes of his identity. Thin white straight selfish egomaniacs are treated just as harshly as this prat was, and often a lot worse. So the misattribution of racism to his banishment to the demimonde is really disrespectful to those who have actually experienced it in the real world. Cut that shit out, seriously.

by Anonymousreply 30805/10/2020

R308 - he needs to be “called to account” for what reason?

by Anonymousreply 30905/10/2020

What does he see when he looks into the mirror?

by Anonymousreply 31005/14/2020

A giant chocolate covered macaron

by Anonymousreply 31105/14/2020

[quote]So the misattribution of racism to his banishment to the demimonde

Oh dear.

While I appreciate your word choice, your syntax is, unfortunately, atrocious. Try this instead:

So the misattribution of his banishment to the demimonde to racism

by Anonymousreply 31205/14/2020

There are many successful white men in the world who have been quite noted pricks, sobs and bastards. There still are. I don't recall Vreeland getting this amount of hate.

by Anonymousreply 31305/14/2020

R296 bears a close resemblance to Aunt Pitty Pat - pass me the smelling salts.

by Anonymousreply 31405/14/2020

There are plenty of white fashionistas we attack here. I’ll say it - Vreeland was an ugly woman. Ok. Said. Gisele Bundchen looks like a horse. Karl Lagerfeld was an assclown.

And ALT is a fat, obnoxious queen.

by Anonymousreply 31505/14/2020

From NYT’s review of The Chiffon Trenches: It is a tragedy: the story of how one man sold, if not his soul, then his heart, his intelligence and his body of knowledge for the sake of a suite of branded suitcases and Hilditch & Key crepe de Chine shirts. And it is a horror story, about what happens when you confuse your professional life with real life.

by Anonymousreply 31605/15/2020

But, hasn't he earned his right to be a diva too just like his contemporaries?

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The Andre Léon Talley documentary was excellent. It sounds like there's more juiciness in the book. I'll have to get it.

by Anonymousreply 31805/15/2020

LOL r295, r301!

by Anonymousreply 31905/15/2020

What did the man ever accomplish in life? Sounds like he was a glorified go-fer.

by Anonymousreply 32005/15/2020

NONE OF THEM deserve the right to be divas. For r217. None of them. Sure it’s entertaining to hear what they say and gush over what they wear. But it doesn’t give them the right to be shitty people.

by Anonymousreply 32105/16/2020

He's good friends with Fern Mallis and I remember her appearance on PR. She said very pointedly that you have to be nice in the business. It seemed strange advice because there seem to be so many ultra shitty people in fashion.

by Anonymousreply 32205/16/2020

Who is known to be nice in the fashion business?

by Anonymousreply 32305/16/2020

R323, Fern?

by Anonymousreply 32405/16/2020

R322 Fern created NY Fashion Week. Socially she’s nice, sort of reserved, modest and slightly eclipsed by “influencers” who came into the industry later and benefitted from better tools for self-promotion, like digital strategy.

ALT is passively compliant in the cheesy push to sell this tedious brag book, and he seems to be on the fence (hopefully a very strong one) between implicating his mentor/protector and yet begging pitifully to re-affiliate after being “ghosted”. He’s inept at defending his book “...an epistle to everyone that I love. It’s a love letter to Anna Wintour. I love her deeply.” Unfortunately he spit on her snatch and over-leveraged his tenuous relationship with her.

He himself explains his talent as an “ability to be beside a small, great, powerful white woman and encourage her vision”. There isn’t much dignity in that, or really anything about this guy. His downward spiral began with a “devastating” profile in the New Yorker by a writer named Hilton Als in 1994. He’s a messy pariah, a real ingrate, and a very small, bitter person.

by Anonymousreply 32505/16/2020

His behavior and comments made at The Gaiety are priceless!

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R325, IIRC, Hattie McDaniel won an Oscar for playing a part like that in GONE WITH THE WIND.

by Anonymousreply 32705/16/2020

My goodness, R325 called me SMALL! I'm in love!

by Anonymousreply 32805/16/2020

As the late Kal Ruttenstein once said, "If you go back one generation with fashion people, everyone's grandmother made corsets."

by Anonymousreply 32905/16/2020

My hand to kiss but not to shake

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Remember when she sat in the front row with her FLY OPEN HOW MORTIFYING!!

by Anonymousreply 33105/16/2020

Air that muffin, chile.

by Anonymousreply 33205/16/2020

GROSS

by Anonymousreply 33305/16/2020

R326 That’s one freakishly disturbing profile. The description of his appearance (black patent leather pumps with satin bows, a white faux fur muff dragged over a bowl of potato chips in the lounge of a strip joint) seem almost made-up. The pattern of behavior here, particularly the obnoxious hybrid affectation of his speech, is so undignified. This gross guy offers something to irritate everyone, and he doesn’t seem to know it. The description of him laughing at the expression “n-word dandy” is a marker for deep-seated self-contempt, soullessness, and selling out. It’s tough to admire this guy, or even look at him. A real nightmare of ego and vanity and complete lack of any real sense or meaning or worth, only a creepy perverse fascination with frills and nonsense. How many people must regret even knowing this embarrassment, let alone feeding, employing and gifting him fancy food, clothes and travel that only made him more odious over time.

by Anonymousreply 33405/17/2020

He's a pretty textbook case of someone who was abused as a child and made up a fantasy world to cope with it. The only difference is that he made the fantasy real, to an extent, largely thanks to his own self-loathing. He was willing to put up with things almost no one else would have.

If he were white and under 200 lbs he wouldn't get half the hate here that he does. Wintour is demonstrably a worse person than Talley, as are the rich bitches who called him racist names and kept him around as a court jester for their amusement, but there's no real hate for them.

by Anonymousreply 33505/17/2020

"... as are the rich bitches who called him racist names and kept him around as a court jester for their amusement." His silence when they called him those names implies consent. Stop it, racist tard. It's not working.

by Anonymousreply 33605/17/2020

“ His silence when they called him those names implies consent.”

That’s true, and it’s been known for a long time, and disclosed by a peer, in a pretty well-regarded periodical, The New Yorker.

by Anonymousreply 33705/17/2020

R336 and R337, are you implying that Andre Talley is a racist? I don't understand.

by Anonymousreply 33805/17/2020

[quote]...... rich bitches who called him racist names and kept him around as a court jester for their amusement, but there's no real hate for them.

He chose to be the court jester. If it bothered him that much, he should have left. Of course what they said and did to him was awful. But it was more important to him to get invited to the right parties with the right people and behave like the thirsty fringe dweller that he is.

Eleanor Roosevelt once said, "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.".

by Anonymousreply 33905/17/2020

Anyone know what his house looks like?

by Anonymousreply 34005/17/2020

[quote]He chose to be the court jester. If it bothered him that much, he should have left.

I think that I would agree with this. But, it seems as if many of you forget the era and the racism that ATL had to put up with. He speaks about that to some extent. I don't think that he ever considered himself as "one of them." Right or wrong, he knew his place. What more could he have done?

by Anonymousreply 34105/17/2020

What’s his “place”? Asking for a friend...

by Anonymousreply 34205/17/2020

You certainly know what I mean, R342. Let's not do the race baiting about such an important topic, okay?

While I do agree with many here that ATL is full of himself... so to speak, there was a glass ceiling and he did rise to quite high levels under those circumstances. There's no question that he opened doors for younger people of color. Unfortunately, he has chosen to rest on his laurels rather than continuing to push forward--IMHO. I guess he's tired.

by Anonymousreply 34305/17/2020

I think he’s bitter: overweight, no job, with former fashion friends ghosting him.

by Anonymousreply 34405/17/2020

R252, Hi Anna!

by Anonymousreply 34505/17/2020

“Thirsty Fringe Dweller“ is my new drag name!

by Anonymousreply 34605/17/2020

Actually, now that I read the New Yorker piece (which, btw, was full of editing errors...?) I feel like his job actually was somewhat difficult in the beginning. It seems like a lot of DV’s dramatic personality rubbed off on him. I mean, he was probably always dramatic, but she made it seem workplace friendly.

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[quote]When Talley was 9, he began to be sexually abused. “It was not one man, it was many, young adults, teenagers, or men throughout the neighborhood. It was painful. It was serial. And it took place in shame. In shaming places, in dark places—like the woodshed of my house, where they kept the wood and coal.”

MEN!

by Anonymousreply 34905/18/2020

[quote]Since childhood, Talley has gone to church every week. His early life was defined by the routine of worship and today he has returned to that safe space. These days, during the pandemic, he is finding peace through Harlem’s Abyssinian Baptist Church weekly, which he attends via Zoom from his house in upstate New York. “All my friends are church people.”

Yes, yes! Testify!!!

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He might have been abused or he might be rewriting history from typical consensual homosexual experimentation with boys his own age or not much older.

He grew up in a very religious household and continued to cling to conservative Baptist religion as an adult. To some that leaves a shame so great they would rather claim to have been abused than admit to any homosexual behavior on their part.

I like André’ overall, but I think many of his problems and bouts with depression stem as much from being a self loathing homosexual as from racism. That his best friend is Gloria von Turn und Taxis is also very telling... she’s a deeply closeted and self hating lesbian who also retreated to religion.

The fact that André never really came out even though working in the world of fashion journalism, is still rather coy about his sexuality, and his ridiculous story about only ever falling in love with a woman speaks volumes.

by Anonymousreply 35105/18/2020

[quote]and his ridiculous story about only ever falling in love with a woman speaks volumes.

WHAT??? (eyes widen!!!)

That's "Black Church" shame and guilt.

He doesn't like himself.

by Anonymousreply 35205/18/2020

Yes, he claims his one true love was a society women whom he refuses to name.

by Anonymousreply 35305/18/2020

He has also made comments about his grandmother that contradict her supposedly unconditional love and support for him.

For example, he mentions her once asking him not to walk into church with her and wait on the sidewalk a few minutes first because he was wearing an outfit she deemed too embarrassing and flamboyant... in other words, “faggy”.

by Anonymousreply 35405/18/2020

That's very hurtful, R354. I'm sure it left a deep wound. But... and I'm sure many will disagree with me, but it's hard to be a parent and love unconditionally 100% of the time. Even I will admit that were I a straight man, (who had a gay child that I would love and accept him/her), having a child like... hmm... AJ Johnson, might have prove difficult at times for me. It's not so much that I would have been embarrassed for myself but I would have known the difficulties and pain that my child would face in the world. That would be very painful for me.

I sometimes think of the heavy difficulties that someone like a RuPaul had growing up. But, then I think of his mother and the what she had to endure too in loving him and protecting him. The times then were not like they are today and understood like Dwayne Wade and his transexual child.

by Anonymousreply 35505/18/2020

[quote] I am not happy with who I am,” Talley says. “I want to continue to try and be kind and not cruel.

One can always stop being a bitch. It's called self-control

[quote]But I have had a difficult life.”

Excuse...

[quote] He says he had the opportunity years ago to go to therapy for his sexual abuse and wishes he would have. “I have not been able to have any intimacy that is successful. I don’t have intimacy with men or women. I am afraid to be touched.” He pauses. “I still don’t know who to trust.”

That's his fear and self-esteem--Iyanla Vanzant

by Anonymousreply 35605/18/2020

I have known a surprisingly large amount of African American men who say they were molested as young boys, not by men, but by women.

by Anonymousreply 35705/18/2020

Fashion editor André Leon Talley on time at "Vogue" and working with Anna Wintour

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Too bad the audio is so poor. It may be that he lives in an area of poor coverage and weak cellular signals. He is not filmed in his home, even in his documentary, and almost no one has seen his home’s interior, possibly due to a hoarding situation. He looks to be in very poor health and that’s sad. Even sympathetic journalists like Gayle King are confused by his stance on Wintour, who was right to pull the content related to her children from the galleys.

This poor guy is clumsily trying to build interest in his book, but doing it in an underhanded way. The exposure he is getting might sound like a good opportunity, but it must also be so stressful. I hope it’s worth it to him. His health seems really questionable right now.

by Anonymousreply 35905/18/2020

His nose is shaped like Texas.

by Anonymousreply 36005/18/2020

Something nasty in the woodshed!

by Anonymousreply 36105/19/2020

ALT sometimes reminds me of Augusten Burroughs, but with a lot more ego and messy self-delusion. It’s not clear if anyone, anywhere ever aspired to be like Andre. It’s also really irritating to hear him restate how smart and exceptional he was when there are so many more honest, authentic icons of diversity and self-determination who did more and added more to society (thinking of Temple Grandin, Oliver Sachs, James Comer, Magic Johnson, people like these and others). There is an awful cheapness and intellectual dishonesty to ALT’s solipsism. He was not, is not, anywhere as important or admired as he wants the world to acknowledge. That’s it, really. And his French is not spoken “meticulously” as he claims, but actually only in obnoxious fragments and phrases and Some bad, nonsensical allusions. It must be so awful to be around him, to try and relate to him on any level. The poor guy is is such a mess and doesn’t seem to know it.

by Anonymousreply 36205/19/2020

He’s clearly got more issues than VOGUE!!

by Anonymousreply 36305/19/2020

I will actually read this book but I doubt he takes any real shots at Anna.

by Anonymousreply 36405/20/2020

Have you seen him in those caftans lately? Very mother of the bride!

by Anonymousreply 36505/20/2020

R364 Well, he writes about the “ huge emotional and psychological scars” resulting from his relationship with her. That’s not quite a valentine. She’s not a warm, fuzzy type, but she was a very supportive presence in his life and career. It’s really really underhanded and cynical to demonize a mentor and then try to call it a “love letter”. Maybe he’s not bright enough to realize that the promotion of this project has put a blowtorch to a relationship he actually wanted to preserve and restore. I hope it works out for him financially, but ethically and in terms of his already sketchy reputation, he’s blown it badly. Poor sad guy. It’s heartbreaking, really.

by Anonymousreply 36605/20/2020

Anna's pussy must be so cold and tight like the rest of her that you need a blowtorch and a shoehorn to warm and loosen it up.

by Anonymousreply 36705/20/2020

Look at those hands in the photo with Anna. Hands are so ashy. You know he has bad breath.

by Anonymousreply 36805/21/2020

R368. He does. His paint peeling halitosis could knock the flies off a shitwagon

by Anonymousreply 36905/21/2020

Ewwww @r369.

What was your experience with his stank ass breath?

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“Through MY eyes, through MY childhood environment, through MY upbringing, MY points of view, and MY references in MY life”

Good for Andre here, being honest that Vogue looked globally at diversity and considered more perspectives than his alone. But it’s a shame he doesn’t understand that his story alone wouldn’t inform a media conglomerate’s entire culture and platform. That’s because their readers and investors cared more about the whole world, not simply Andre’s. It’s painful watching him in the throws of narcissism, pleading how he didn’t find enough personal validation in his tenure at Vogue. Everyone struggled to adulate Andre in his last years there, except Andre himself. Fortunately, he looks unwell here, and his thoughts are disjointed and self-contradictory, so viewers understand.

In the end, Vogue’s concept of diversity was unacceptable to him because it included the perceptions of others and not his exclusively. Yet he was so very fortunate to find a lavish spot in the knitting circle of Wintour, and he fucked it all up by being a nightmare of ego and banking (part successfully) on a Vogue’s difficulty in counseling him out (“constructive dismissal”). So this character assassination and furious public indignation is likely what everyone feared about letting go of him (and trying to find suitable roles for him like blogs, made-up busy work, and wheeling him around The Met gala red carpet). His gradual separation was as tender as Vogue could manage, or afford.

by Anonymousreply 37405/23/2020

His time at Vogue ended with pity and resentment and a LOT of embarrassment for everyone, twenty years ago, but “officially” only much later. As bad as this book and its promotion are, it has to better than demoralizing an entire organization by celebrating this pretentious nightmare another minute. It must have taken so much to get him off the tit, “at last”.

But I hope other men like him aren’t excluded from similar opportunities because he is making such a public spectacle here. Indulging that giant, phony, pretentious egomaniac has ended badly for everyone, including Andre himself. He is a sad icon of ego, self-pity and failure.

It’s so unfortunate that he is now an HR benchmark that harms the potential of others. Now we have to stop and think before advancing unconventional colleagues. We have to be sure we never end up with another ALT. In that sense, he is actively undermining the progress we have made diversifying the creative workforce. What a shame.

by Anonymousreply 37505/23/2020

How lonely he must be. Most of his friends, I bet, were only that solely based on his tenure at Vogue. Now that he no longer is at the top of the social food chain...his best friends will be the drivers from Grubhub and Uber Eats.

by Anonymousreply 37605/23/2020

I'm starting to think something happen during slavery that made a large share of african-americans sexual deviants. Maybe somehow in DNA. And I'm not talking about homosexuality, I'm talking about child molestation and rape.

by Anonymousreply 37705/23/2020

Pompous, pretentious windbag whose "accomplishments" amount to nothing. Hard to believe a word that comes out of his mouth, including 'a' and 'the." (Not to coin a phrase.)

by Anonymousreply 37805/23/2020

Would you please expand that thought, R377? What exactly do you mean?

by Anonymousreply 37905/23/2020

You can only ignore the elephant in the room for so long.

by Anonymousreply 38005/23/2020

And what do Anna Wintour's accomplishments amount to? Nothing too. At least, Andre is well-educated. Anna is a hamburger with no education.

by Anonymousreply 38105/23/2020

Ignore r378. He’s fantasizing again.

by Anonymousreply 38205/23/2020

Well, [381], since Anna's not crowing about her personal achievements, what do you have to say about yours? If you must know, it was her ambition from late childhood to be the editor of American Vogue. She's achieved that. And I don't have the details at my fingertips, but I believe she's generous with her time and money, donating to causes she believes in. She doesn't exactly dine out on that.

by Anonymousreply 38305/23/2020

Anna likes big black cock! Ask Bob Marley. if he were still alive.

by Anonymousreply 38405/23/2020

This nonsensical shallow drama is one of the main reasons I loathe fashion and anything associated with it. I had to deal with these people for a long time while working as a PR assistant. They're worse than celebrities and that is saying a lot. Fashion attracts the worst kind of humans, shallow, banal, jaded and out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 38505/23/2020

Anna is half blind and obviously wears a wig. Conde Nast could save more money by hiring someone's great-grandmother to run the magazine. Wouldn't be much of a difference.

by Anonymousreply 38605/23/2020
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