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Ohio first to open 1May. What happens 14 days later

Success or increases in COVID cases?

by Anonymousreply 378June 16, 2020 4:35 PM

Increases.

I think they’re thinking because they’re a state with a low density it doesn’t matter what they do. Tell North Dakota.

by Anonymousreply 1April 17, 2020 1:55 AM

Obviously, there would be a huge increase in cases, if they stick to that timeline. It’ll also create a huge uptick in cases in bordering states.

by Anonymousreply 2April 17, 2020 1:55 AM

Tell this to all the queens that have been hooking up and fucking in our great city of Columbus.

by Anonymousreply 3April 17, 2020 1:56 AM

It’s going to increase at light speed.

by Anonymousreply 4April 17, 2020 1:58 AM

There are 2 people infected in my Ohio hometown of 5,000 (14 in that county). It's in the middle of nowhere. How did they get it?

I can't believe after just a couple weeks of public avoidance, face masks, wiping things down, etc.- and a slight dip in the carnage- that they think were ready to start it all back up again.

by Anonymousreply 5April 17, 2020 2:00 AM

The media will definitely work overtime to make it look like a disaster. In reality, it will be on par with or only slightly increased than other states, since nobody is obeying the stay at home orders anyway.

by Anonymousreply 6April 17, 2020 2:00 AM

If the death rate is low, there will be rebellion in the lockdown states and the governors in those states will be compelled to release their people.

by Anonymousreply 7April 17, 2020 2:02 AM

Build that wall around Ohio.

by Anonymousreply 8April 17, 2020 2:04 AM

Depends on whether Ohioans utilize known procedures to avoid infection.

by Anonymousreply 9April 17, 2020 2:07 AM

The only point of the lockdown was to allow hospitals to work at capacity, rather than collapse. What will happen is that Ohio will have moderate deaths and hospitals will not be overwhelmed. People will die. Nobody around the world is going to wait for vaccines and miracle treatments.

Truth fairy.

by Anonymousreply 10April 17, 2020 2:08 AM

If they relax restrictions, it might take a couple of weeks before people really notice. So every Trumper around will be yelling about how it was all unnecessary all along. Then the new cases kick in.

I keep reading stories on Reddit about people living in small communities saying they have aggressive Trumper relatives who demand to be let in the house, ridicule anyone wearing a mask and generally mock and ridicule them for taking any precautions. I feel sorry for them, because now those people will crow about how they were right.

by Anonymousreply 11April 17, 2020 2:09 AM

In the situation that R11 describes, every person ignoring precautions deserves whatever happens to them. Let the virus take 'em outta the gene pool.

by Anonymousreply 12April 17, 2020 2:12 AM

Ohio said they will initiate a *slow process* of reopening on May 1st. It is not going to be a sudden return to normal.

Source: I watched Governor DeWine's press conference today

by Anonymousreply 13April 17, 2020 2:17 AM

After those big babies had their little temper tantrum this week, I guess they had to be kowtowed to. I hope they will at least go with the face masks and keeping their distance.

by Anonymousreply 14April 17, 2020 2:25 AM

This lockdown thing was all or nothing and we blew it. Once you relax it, there will be no more enforcement beyond Martial Law. Americans are too fucking stupid and greedy to do this properly.

by Anonymousreply 15April 17, 2020 2:33 AM

We need to get on with our lives. This being locked up at home has gone on long enough. If a few people die, that's too bad.

by Anonymousreply 16April 17, 2020 2:33 AM

We had 623 new cases yesterday, that's up over 551 new cases the day before. It really doesn't look like that the pandemic is slowing down here. I hope DeWine is listening to actual medical experts and not right-wingers and Trumpian assholes.

You first, R16, you fucking asshole.

by Anonymousreply 17April 17, 2020 2:36 AM

I watched the press conference today. I have heard all along about the slow pace of re-opening, but I am worried.

All along they’ve talked about the gradual re-opening. But I am skeptical. Some people around here have been doing stupid things the whole time, it just makes me worried.

I haven’t actually been in public (other than walking at the park) since the first order went in place, and I would really like to get out again, but I also want to be safe!

Be smart, people!

by Anonymousreply 18April 17, 2020 2:39 AM

[quote]Once you relax it, there will be no more enforcement beyond Martial Law. Americans are too fucking stupid and greedy to do this properly.

That's not necessarily true. If there is a huge spike in cases/deaths two weeks after things to back to "normal," Americans aren't too stupid to see that, or be scared by it.

Honestly, though, I'm not sure what will happen, as you can't force people to start taking chances. What we've seen in other countries is that the theaters, stores, and malls mostly remain empty. People travel less, stay home more, and generally do not rush right out and embrace everyone.

The Ohio governor or Trump could loudly declare that Ohio is open for business only to find that, no, it isn't. I guess we'll have to see.

by Anonymousreply 19April 17, 2020 2:43 AM

Trump wants the economy up and running and the election to go forward. Deaths mean nothing to him. Nothing. He's counting on the open states to effectively put 'peer pressure' on the closed states. When deplorables see the neighboring state open, they will demand that theirs open immediately. The circle of infection and death will continue. It means nothing to Trump; he wants to satisfy his CEO bro's.

by Anonymousreply 20April 17, 2020 2:45 AM

R20 The economy is ruined and not going to recover by the election. And it is not the wealthy who are suffering in this recession.

by Anonymousreply 21April 17, 2020 2:48 AM

People die all the time of one thing or another, but life goes on. It's time we get on with our lives now, not live like hermits.

by Anonymousreply 22April 17, 2020 2:49 AM

Infections are going to skyrocket again. The stock market thinks this is coming to an end. Americans are so mindlessly optimistic.

by Anonymousreply 23April 17, 2020 2:50 AM

R22, guess what I hope for you.

by Anonymousreply 24April 17, 2020 2:50 AM

Everyone get out there and die!

by Anonymousreply 25April 17, 2020 2:53 AM

r21, of course the economy is not going to recover by the election, but Trump pressuring states to open demonstrates to his demented followers that 'at least he's trying, but dammit, those blue state governors are just trying to ruin the country!'

by Anonymousreply 26April 17, 2020 2:55 AM

It will be fine. Look at Sweden as the model.

by Anonymousreply 27April 17, 2020 2:59 AM

I one dummies fro Ohio...I wonder if they might get Covid 19? There are three who are old enough to get sick...one is a little overweight. He might go.

by Anonymousreply 28April 17, 2020 2:59 AM

Notice how he prattled on about his 'sport-ball' commissioners today, because those commissioners are shitting bricks at the losses that are escalating at an insane pace - the whole jock world is in the shitter, and so, like you know, we'll just open the states and save the jocks ...

by Anonymousreply 29April 17, 2020 3:01 AM

R29 Sports bring joy to millions. In addition, athletes are role models for youth.

by Anonymousreply 30April 17, 2020 3:03 AM

Well now, if ever there was justification, there it is r30

by Anonymousreply 31April 17, 2020 3:04 AM

R19 The governor actually addressed that in today's press conference. He knows that people will not be comfortable going back to normal yet. He said that whatever the details of the reopening plan are (still not published), that people should assess their risk tolerance and think carefully about what kind of situations they want to expose themselves too. He does not expect this to suddenly return the economy to normal.

by Anonymousreply 32April 17, 2020 3:19 AM

To, not too.

by Anonymousreply 33April 17, 2020 3:20 AM

DeWine is hardly a Trumper. I worry that a flock of people from Michigan are going to come in and infect the northwest corner of the state.

by Anonymousreply 34April 17, 2020 3:24 AM

The Texas Lt. Governor spoke for all Republicans when he said old people are going to have to sacrifice themselves for the economy. They think this is a good thing-it is thinning out the herd. (Except we all know that a lot of their voters will be some of the hardest hit groups)

by Anonymousreply 35April 17, 2020 3:24 AM

Who said OH is the first state? I wanna keep wfh in my office job for a national corp. DeWine is a rational guy who looks like a sweet grampy.

I think NV will be one of the last states to reopen. Sisolak is too cautious. I love NV and they might actually instate a state income tax due to the pandemic shutting casinos. We'll see.

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by Anonymousreply 36April 17, 2020 3:32 AM

"I one dummies fro Ohio..."

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 37April 17, 2020 3:34 AM

[quote]nobody is obeying the stay at home orders anyway.

Most relatives from both sides of my family are in Ohio, and with the exception of my batshit crazy dad (described perfectly by r11), they all are complying with lockdown. Not that hard for a lot of them (and me), because we tend to enjoy our alone time and have lots of hobbies. They also have big yards to toss their kids out into when they get too rowdy inside.

by Anonymousreply 38April 17, 2020 4:00 AM

Death.

Hopefully, just Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 39April 17, 2020 4:33 AM

R28, Sweden, where the infection rates are far higher than they are in other Scandinavian countries? No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 40April 17, 2020 7:57 AM

I think the governor is making a calculated gamble because he leads a blue collar, poor (though not FL poor) mostly rural state. If some level of life and and the economy doesn't resume, he's going to have rebellion on his hands. I'll be interested to see how this goes - remember, Ohio shut down even before some east coast states, so let Ohio be the canary the coalmine again. If it's successful - or at least not disastrous - it could serve as a model for other less organized, more idiotic places (looking at you, Texas!)

by Anonymousreply 41April 17, 2020 8:20 AM

We do not know what will happen.

We don't know how much or if there is any immunity. We don't have enough tests to know the extent of the exposure. This whole thing reminds me of religion. When humans do not know they make up shit, pretend, project and try to control the uncontrollable.

by Anonymousreply 42April 17, 2020 8:38 AM

Ohio was just announced today to be part of the Midwestern Alliance of states working together to make decisions to open the economies of those states. The other states are Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Kentucky, and Wisconsin. None of those other states are talking this May 1st shit. I guess we'll be kicking Ohio out. They shouldn't have been part of it in the first place. Fuck, even Indiana's governor seems partially sane at this point. Why would Dewine do this right now?

by Anonymousreply 43April 17, 2020 9:11 AM

For all the idiots on here wanting things to go "back to normal" as soon as possible because it's all "not a big deal", you better hope you don't need medical care if hospitals get overloaded with Covid-19 patients...if you show up with an upset tummy or a broken leg, you're gonna be waiting a long time in that waiting room....hopefully that upset tummy isn't appendicitis or that chest pain not a heart attack.

Oh, not to mention all the medical workers who end up quitting (or worse: dying) and hospitals become understaffed as a result.

by Anonymousreply 44April 17, 2020 9:19 AM

Please please let r16 be the first to get it. I don’t want him to die just sick.

by Anonymousreply 45April 17, 2020 10:06 AM

Obviously increases. But increases don't necessarily mean the opposite of success.

The spread of infectious disease is a game of numbers not absolutes. Lower the infection rates sufficiently and control eventually becomes success. That's the usual pattern. Of course if everyone stayed in their bedroom and didn't leave until the disease had dried up or everyone had been vaccinated against it, that's one way to do it, of course, however impractical it may be. The realistic way is to alert people early, to control stratospheric escalations of infection that will overwhelm everything, and to some combination of behavioral education and controls that holds infections in some kind of check. Of course even the least bit of freedom extended comes with risk - and with new infections. I'm not confident that Ohio will do terribly well at this, but no place is going to be able to relax controls and not see a rise in infections.

by Anonymousreply 46April 17, 2020 10:13 AM

I live in the Midwest and our state has been pretty well closed down, but we've had two clusters of CV-19 in small town nursing homes. These are towns of 2000 or 3000 people, very tiny, and half the residents died in both incidents, and several nurses and healthcare workers have been ill, decimating the healthcare system for everyone in those rural areas. And yet Trumpsters STILL think this is overblown.

Let them open up and experience what happened in nursing homes happen in their entire little towns. What could go wrong?

by Anonymousreply 47April 17, 2020 10:23 AM

I ignored the poster who said we need to get on with our lives. So what if people die?

DL has the feature you can all the posts from The ignored person He says the same thing further down the thread. A Russian troll?

by Anonymousreply 48April 17, 2020 10:27 AM

In a hateful way, this makes me want to laugh. Yes, sometimes I can be kind of mean, except I am so sick of Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 49April 17, 2020 10:37 AM

All those Fake Christians can wait for Jesus to heal them from Corona.

by Anonymousreply 50April 17, 2020 10:40 AM

Dunno, R48, I think he's a regular rightwinger poster and not a paid troll, I've had him on ignore for ages. The paid trolls usually don't last very long.

by Anonymousreply 51April 17, 2020 10:44 AM

Dutch and Russians think Americans are weak because they can't accept death.

by Anonymousreply 52April 17, 2020 10:57 AM

[quote]This lockdown thing was all or nothing and we blew it. Once you relax it, there will be no more enforcement beyond Martial Law. Americans are too fucking stupid and greedy to do this properly.

What's the compliance rate with the controls in Ohio? (I couldn't find anything in a quick search).

It took Italy fully a month to halve its rate of daily new infections (from 6k to 3k). For Spain it took half that time (2 weeks) to do the same (from 8k to 4k), but Spain started later and the scare of what was happening in Italy may have had an impact. Compliance in major Spanish cities was measured from a low of about 85% to a high of 96% which seems a fairly remarkable achievement (that's the measurement of all street activity, so it would include legitimate things: people going to the grocery store or pharmacy, emergency vehicles, delivery and sanitation trucks, commuters to critical jobs.)

Surely no one thought these lock-downs were going to see the disease evaporate in two weeks, or a month, or even two or three months. Once started, the thing is a slow avalanche in the sense of forces that, once in motion (visible or not), can't be reversed -- all those people who who infected two weeks ago by people who had no symptoms who have no symptoms themselves... .

by Anonymousreply 53April 17, 2020 10:58 AM

They’re not just opening everything at full capacity on Day One.

If they follow the guidelines correctly, they’re supposed to show 14 days of decreasing infection rates before they implement Phase One which is still pretty restrictive. Then they have to continue to show sustained decreases in infection rates at that Phase before moving on to the next.

by Anonymousreply 54April 17, 2020 11:06 AM

Ohio is now a red state, isn't it?

So, fine. Let 'em roll the dice and go back to the way things were before this Little Armageddon arrived.

That way, there'll be that many fewer Trumptards voting come November.

by Anonymousreply 55April 17, 2020 11:16 AM

Because 55,000 dead Baby Boomers just weren't enough.

by Anonymousreply 56April 17, 2020 11:26 AM

OH resident here. My employer had us start WFH on March 17.

After what the governor said on April 16, I'm concerned that the state will say, “use your best judgment, business leaders, and continue to follow COVID-19 mitigation guidelines in the workplace” but my employer might order me back to the office where everyone but the executives might continue to sit within 6 feet of multiple people. Then the pressure is on me to resist, in order to protect myself. I don’t want my asshole manager having any reason to put my name on the next list of layoffs.

by Anonymousreply 57April 17, 2020 11:51 AM

[quote]If the death rate is low, there will be rebellion in the lockdown states and the governors in those states will be compelled to release their people.

It's not about the death rate; it's about the hospital rate.

Let's see: it takes about 2 weeks to start getting sick, and then about a week or two after that before the ones who suffer the most severe symptoms to require hospitalization.

And then that grows exponentially as people (particularly the asymptomatic) start infecting other people.

Good luck trying to get into a health care facility (for whatever illness or injury) after Memorial Day.

by Anonymousreply 58April 17, 2020 12:35 PM

The ones hooking up all the time should be punished.

by Anonymousreply 59April 17, 2020 12:38 PM

To all these Repigs including Trump suggesting that it's okay for a some to die...I say let's start with you and your family and grandchildren.  You and your kids ride the subways and buses, work in the restaurants, malls, factories, supermarkets, hair salons, etc.  Let's see if it works out for you, your  wife, and kids.  You take one for the team.  Let's see if you end up on a ventilator or die.  If things work out, we'll think about showing up at the office.

I'm not saying that we should never go back., but we should do it when it's safer.  When Trump finally has a plan for testing, which he still does not have, then we can determine if it's safe.  But stop offering up everyone else before you're willing to offer up your own life and the life of your kids.  To all these Repigs including Trump suggesting that it's okay for a some to die...I say let's start with you and your family and grandchildren.  You and your kids ride the subways and buses, work in the restaurants, malls, factories, supermarkets, hair salons, etc.  Let's see if it works out for you, your  wife, and kids.  You take one for the team.  Let's see if you end up on a ventilator or die.  If things work out, we'll think about showing up at the office.

I'm not saying that we should never go back., but we should do it when it's safer.  When Trump finally has a plan for testing, which he still does not have, then we can determine if it's safe.  But stop offering up everyone else before you're willing to offer up your own life and the life of your kids.

by Anonymousreply 60April 17, 2020 12:45 PM

R57 A few days ago the governor suggested that while we are reopening employers will have to continue to be vigilant such as checking temperatures of their employees. If I had to guess, he will encourage companies that were able to go remote to stay remote at first.

by Anonymousreply 61April 17, 2020 1:10 PM

After what the governor said on April 16, I'm concerned that the state will say, “use your best judgment, business leaders, and continue to follow COVID-19 mitigation guidelines in the workplace”

I guess I didn't get that impression; I believe there will be guidelines about keeping people apart in the workplace & that places that are viral soup on good day like gyms, hair salons, bars, etc. will stay shuttered for awhile (maybe through mid-summer). I don't want to denigrate the terrible deaths in Spain & Italy, but most of Ohio is neither. People naturally social distance, get around by car and because their mid-westerners, are naturally reticent of other people. Cleveland or Toledo, however, might be another story....

by Anonymousreply 62April 17, 2020 5:46 PM

He (and anyone making a similar call) is either fucking delusional or proposing a plan in bad faith to suggest this will work because employers, who choose to reopen, are going to, of their own free will & bank accounts, supply PPE to their workers and do regular, staff-wide temperature checks. Further, there is still no law or even temporary mandate, that workers who become ill are given paid sick leave, safe from being fired for refusing to work in conditions that are likely to expose them to becoming sick or, when possible, given the option of working from home for the duration of the threat (with or without necessary expenses, such as adequate internet service and devices, provided at the expense of their employer). Not to mention the fact that the majority of the businesses owners, who would love to get their cannon fodder back on the line, do not offer their employees health insurance nor pay them enough to purchase it; these workers are the ones who make just enough that they don't qualify for expanded Medicare, in the majority states where that was allowed to go into effect, but are also not paid enough to buy a private plan that covers any care before a bankrupting deductible.

by Anonymousreply 63April 17, 2020 6:56 PM

Doctor said if you sat down and created the perfect, lethal virus to kill the most people, Covid-19 would probably be it.

But y'know, let's get them schools back open.

by Anonymousreply 64April 17, 2020 7:21 PM

If only all the reds and blues were completely segregated. We could see which side has better outcomes (I mean, we know, but we'd actually get to see it).

by Anonymousreply 65April 17, 2020 7:54 PM

Ohio has over 8000 cases already. They are going to require social distancing still and masks in public and maybe more restrictions on top of that after may 1, so it isnt completely business as usual..................what do I think will happen? I think a lot of people in Ohio that dont have to go out in public and can work from home, will. Even at that, tho, a bigger percentage will take risks. It will probably take about a month for the stats to show a big spike in covid 19 cases in ohio. In the meantime, the chant will be on in the rest of the country by the trumpsters and shortsighted morons in general to get back to business as usual and we are going to see a nationwide spike and have to go back to lockdown in most states. That is my guess.

by Anonymousreply 66April 17, 2020 8:06 PM

DeWine's first statement:

In retail, surfaces will be cleaned frequently if they’re allowed to open. Some areas will be blocked off to the public. Employees will wear gloves, wash their hands frequently. There will be staggered arrivals for employees, staggered employee lunches.

“Employees who can work from home will work from home,” he said.

“After May 1st, things will change some, but the essential reality of the fact is that this virus will remain out there," DeWine said. "So our life has to be guided by that. One of the things we want to do is to make sure every individual has as much information about their own condition and what risks there are as humanly possible.”

What about people who are vulnerable to infection -- older Ohioans, the immunocompromised, pregnant women and others?

DeWine said that if their employer is forcing them in when they’re not ready, or can do the work at home, they need to report it to the local health department.

by Anonymousreply 67April 17, 2020 8:37 PM

[quote]Employees will wear gloves, wash their hands frequently.

I'm confused: they're going to wear gloves AND wash their hands?

[quote]One of the things we want to do is to make sure every individual has as much information about their own condition and what risks there are as humanly possible.

Will we know who's asymptomatic but positive?

by Anonymousreply 68April 17, 2020 8:49 PM

I think the BEST we can hope for is that a few states attempt to reopen while other states like NY and CA remain cautious and do not.

After we see what the experience is for those states like OH who reopen, the others can make a rational and better informed decision.

If OH wants to be that canary in the coal mine, so be it. Nothing any of us is going to say is going to stop a rethug governor and rethug controlled state legislature.

As I don't live there and know no one who lives there, if the good citizens don't mind being the guinea pigs, who are we to tell them no.

by Anonymousreply 69April 17, 2020 8:54 PM

[quote]I'm confused: they're going to wear gloves AND wash their hands?

Yes. You change your gloves frequently and wash your hands between pairs.

by Anonymousreply 70April 17, 2020 9:05 PM

Why don't we have the Corona deniers sign a waiver which agrees that any Corona-related medical care they might require will be de-prioritized?

by Anonymousreply 71April 17, 2020 9:23 PM

I've had sufficient.

by Anonymousreply 72April 17, 2020 9:31 PM

[quote]Ohio said they will initiate a *slow process* of reopening on May 1st. It is not going to be a sudden return to normal. Source: I watched Governor DeWine's press conference today.

I thought Dewine was one of the sane governors, but I guess a slow roll-out is a compromise he felt he needed to make.

by Anonymousreply 73April 17, 2020 9:43 PM

Sorry, Texas and Florida will open first.

by Anonymousreply 74April 17, 2020 11:19 PM

[quote]I'm confused: they're going to wear gloves AND wash their hands?

Necessary as long as gloves are in short supply.

by Anonymousreply 75April 17, 2020 11:24 PM

But will the lesbians be able to eat each other out still?

by Anonymousreply 76April 17, 2020 11:29 PM

Lesbians

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by Anonymousreply 77April 17, 2020 11:32 PM

Here comes another weekend of no socializing, nothing again! This shit cannot continue, especially in the summer months. People need to start mass protests and even riots, if necessary.

by Anonymousreply 78April 18, 2020 2:07 AM

40, 000 dead in Ohio...

by Anonymousreply 79April 18, 2020 2:11 AM

The number of daily new cases is still accelerating in Ohio. I don't see anything that looks like a peak.

by Anonymousreply 80April 18, 2020 2:16 AM

How is Ohio "low density". Does it not have several big old rusting cities?

by Anonymousreply 81April 18, 2020 2:16 AM

"I don't see anything that looks like a peak."

DeWine does what he's told. Like cancelling the primary election.

by Anonymousreply 82April 18, 2020 3:46 AM

[quote]People need to start mass protests and even riots, if necessary.

Yes, riots. There's nothing like destroying the businesses you want to have reopened.

by Anonymousreply 83April 18, 2020 1:10 PM

If you riot against Covid, why do you think Covid is going to care? Why don’t you understand the whole purpose of Covid is to kill as many human beings as possible by infecting them?

Did you ever see the movie the War of the Worlds? We’re living through it. The virus is the Martians. A virus is attacking everyone on earth and trying to kill them.

This is as if you were living through the movie the War of the Worlds, and instead of hiding from the alien ships, you ran out into the street and started running up and down, shouting, “Kill me! Kill me!” And then the aliens killed you and whoever happened to be standing next to you. Rioting against Covid is suicide at best, murder at worst.

Why on earth do you think Covid is going to listen to state officials? Do you think the governor can order Covid to stop and that’s going to end this? Why can’t you understand that Covid is a virus and not a human person? it doesn’t like you or care about you. It wants to eat you.

by Anonymousreply 84April 18, 2020 1:20 PM

R84: While death can be an unfortunate consequence of COVID-19, it is incidental. This virus needs a live host to replicate itself. If every living thing it infected died, there would be no hosts. See how that works?

by Anonymousreply 85April 18, 2020 1:49 PM

A Virus Has No Morals

It doesn't think really, it's a machine that replicates. This one doesn't even need sick hosts to spread. Apparently spreads efficiently from hosts who do not get sick. It if DID have agenda, one could say it knows kindness because it does not kill its hosts mosts of the time. It would certainly benefit if no hosts dies and it could infect and reinfect 100% of humans. That's what it does in bats. Infects all of them and they don't die so the virus continues replicating forever and mutating.

by Anonymousreply 86April 18, 2020 2:04 PM

[quote] Do you think the governor can order Covid to stop and that’s going to end this?

No, I already tried this. And I’m the PRESIDENT, not some lowly governor.

by Anonymousreply 87April 18, 2020 2:18 PM

R60, while I agree with your post in principle, you do know you’re on a gay board, right? The vast majority of us have neither kids, grandkids nor a wife.

by Anonymousreply 88April 18, 2020 2:19 PM

R78 calm down and drink your wine Mary. I'm loving this

by Anonymousreply 89April 18, 2020 3:10 PM

I’m sure rioting in close proximity to many other people, many of whom are contagious with no symptoms, is going to make the virus go away.

Are you really so ignorant that you can’t understand that the closer you get to people, the more likely it is you’ll get the virus? Then if you don’t get sick you’ll pass it to other people who will get sick. Some may die. Do you understand what death is? If you go out knowing it’s very likely you’ll become infected and contagious and infect people, and some may die, You’re saying you don’t care if you kill people, because the most important thing in the world is doing whatever you feel like doing no matter what the consequences to other people. Even killing somebody is fine with you.

Do you understand other people have families? You could be killing somebody’s mom or dad. Orphaning young children who will then have their whole lives changed forever. Or killing a grandmother who is responsible for taking care of her grandchildren because her kids are drug addicts and she’s raising their kids. Or killing a married man whose salary is the sole income that supports his family. Or killing somebody that is the one helper to his elderly parents and now they’re going to be old and sick and have nobody to help them no matter how old and weak they get.

What in the hell is wrong with you? Other people aren’t ants for you to step on, they’re people. Somebody somewhere is relying on them.

by Anonymousreply 90April 18, 2020 3:24 PM

As a potential host R85 should lead by example.

by Anonymousreply 91April 18, 2020 3:34 PM

[quote] Here comes another weekend of no socializing, nothing again! This shit cannot continue, especially in the summer months. People need to start mass protests and even riots, if necessary.

Queen Bee Is Stinging Mad!

by Anonymousreply 92April 18, 2020 3:43 PM

Here's the answer to Queen Bee:

"Man, we've gotta open the gates."

"We've been through this, Phil. The Mongols are still outside."

"But I've gotta harvest my turnips"

"MONGOLS"

"Ugh. But we've been in here or WEEKS."

"That's how sieges work, Phil."

"But the Mongols have barely killed anyone in days."

"That's because of the walls, Phil."

"Are you sure? Maybe the Mongols aren't that dangerous."

"..."

"I'm just saying, how bad could it be. They can't kill ALL of us"

"That is literally the thing they do."

"But my turnips..."

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by Anonymousreply 93April 18, 2020 6:35 PM

Or this:

[quote]The lifeboat seems to be keeping us afloat. Let's punch a few holes in it and see if that makes any difference.

But the drama queen, alas, is incapable of learning. Were they capable of it, they wouldn't have posted something so monumentally stupid as what they wrote in R78.

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by Anonymousreply 94April 18, 2020 6:36 PM

Something like this:

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by Anonymousreply 95April 18, 2020 6:49 PM

The "opening" states' governors are nuts.

The C-V situation is not only not any better than it was a few weeks ago; it is arguably getting worse.

So the protestors and those government officials intimidated by or in agreement with them are simply indulging in wishful thinking, usually a harmless vice, but now a deadly delusion.

And somehow, when many get ill with C-V, they will heap blame on Obama, Biden, Democrats in general, "Fake News," China, W.H.O., and the Man in the Moon.

by Anonymousreply 96April 19, 2020 2:13 AM

Particularly if it's you, r16.

by Anonymousreply 97April 19, 2020 2:17 AM

We had +1,115 new cases in Ohio yesterday. I don't know if that reflects some change in criteria, but that's almost twice as many of new cases as the day before.

by Anonymousreply 98April 19, 2020 2:19 AM

Left an extra 'of' in there, before I get an 'Oh dear'. Sometimes I really wish DL would give you at least once chance to edit a post.

by Anonymousreply 99April 19, 2020 2:20 AM

Hasn’t the first to open been changed to Texas? And states that are connected to me have dumb deplorables protesting not opening up.

by Anonymousreply 100April 19, 2020 2:26 AM

Change in criteria, R98.

by Anonymousreply 101April 19, 2020 2:28 AM

I thought that might be the inclusion of probable cases, but it looks like that number is still small, compared to the total count. I didn't see a break down of daily cases by confirmed and probable when I was looking at the state website, will have to see if I can find that info.

by Anonymousreply 102April 19, 2020 2:48 AM

I thought the ability to "open" depends on (at least) the state's number of new cases decreasing every day for at least 14 consecutive days.

by Anonymousreply 103April 19, 2020 2:55 AM

Ugh - cases are totally meaningless. We need tests tests tests tests tests

by Anonymousreply 104April 19, 2020 2:57 AM

They all need to ignore Trump, and treat their states like little countries. Trump couldn't care less what happens, the same as a month ago.

by Anonymousreply 105April 19, 2020 2:58 AM

New York and Jersey beat Ohio to the punch. Apparently, there are no cases in those states.

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by Anonymousreply 106April 19, 2020 12:43 PM

[quote] They all need to ignore Trump, and treat their states like little countries.

The problem with this is then every state is competing for the same supplies and tests. Plus, with everything shut down, the states are broke.

by Anonymousreply 107April 19, 2020 1:36 PM

People are ignoring the fact that one can walk through someone else's "viral soup" by following in the same path---such as on a pier or a beach.

Will they wear not only gloves but also something to protect their feet?

by Anonymousreply 108April 19, 2020 2:09 PM

R41, It is my recollection that Ohio has a National Guard that can deal with protestors.

by Anonymousreply 109April 19, 2020 2:13 PM

R61, Oh, my sides! Employers aren't going to be taking anyone's temperature! GMAFB and a reality check here!

by Anonymousreply 110April 19, 2020 2:18 PM

Cuomo doesn't surprise me, because in recent briefings he's "off-handedly" mentioned boats and marinas.

Succumbing to pressure, alas.

by Anonymousreply 111April 19, 2020 2:22 PM

They’re going to be open for private use now, r111.

SMH.

by Anonymousreply 112April 19, 2020 2:28 PM

R67, Your Governor is either delusional or mendacious.

He can spout his "employers will" blah blah, but he and what Army are going to enforce these actions?

That's correct: none. Zip. Employers and businesses will not be monitored at all.

Because if the state government cared about employee health, there would be no "opening."

by Anonymousreply 113April 19, 2020 2:33 PM

Covid will become "The American Flu" and the rest of the world will keep all its borders closed to Americans and American products. The economy will nosedive and even more severe restriction of movement will be put in place until the virus is under control.

Still, at least you got to go to church and the beach and exercise your right to freedom to infect as many people as possible.

by Anonymousreply 114April 19, 2020 2:44 PM

Mike DeWine was doing such a good job, was really taking all this seriously and doing what needed to be done. Now Trump has started talking his bullshit and he changed his tune completely. It is a shame. I believed in him before and he has let us down just because Trump wants to save the precious economy. That is the one and only reason the country is being open back up, for money. Never mind that people won't be able to work and spend money if they're lying in a bed barely clinging to life. But Donald Trump only cares about one person on this Earth and that person is Donald Trump. So if people drop dead by the millions then so be it, as long as he isn't one of them and as long as enough people are still alive to vote for him in November.

by Anonymousreply 115April 19, 2020 2:56 PM

OP, I guarantee you, that no matter what happens, the Governor will declare it a success.

by Anonymousreply 116April 19, 2020 3:14 PM

The published death rates and infection rates can be easily manipulated. Just blame a Covid death on some other condition and just explain away dropping infection rates by limiting testing.

Only when news organizations continue to show images of grandmas dead on the curbs of hospitals will people wake up. Don’t trust any politician who is only interested in money and power (ie, re-election).

by Anonymousreply 117April 19, 2020 3:19 PM

It's Ohio.

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by Anonymousreply 118April 19, 2020 3:52 PM

DeWine's statement:

Meanwhile, some critics have argued that May 1 is too soon to start reopening Ohio in any way due to low testing availability, lack of vaccine and continued community spread.

"I would just ask them to watch what I do and watch what the state does," DeWine said in response to those critics. "Watch how we do this. They have every right to think that what we're doing is wrong. But throughout this, we have been exceedingly mindful of human life and protecting the people of the state of Ohio."

He asked any Ohioans to let his team know if they feel the state's actions aren't moving in the right direction.

"If you think what we're doing is wrong, let us know. Let the news media know."

by Anonymousreply 119April 19, 2020 4:08 PM

[quote] "I would just ask them to watch what I do and watch what the state does," DeWine said in response to those critics.

"Watch people die needlessly," said Me in response to DeWine.

by Anonymousreply 120April 19, 2020 4:11 PM

What do you say to the governors of Fla, Texas, SC, NJ and NY who are opening things earlier?

by Anonymousreply 121April 19, 2020 4:15 PM

Don't

by Anonymousreply 122April 19, 2020 4:23 PM

I'd tell them to learn their history, particularly of the 1918 epidemic.

by Anonymousreply 123April 19, 2020 4:28 PM

Ha you imbecile rethug trolls are not slick, the ones claiming the media is making this sound like a bigger deal are all retard trumpets. FUCK OFF.

by Anonymousreply 124April 19, 2020 4:35 PM

R121> Don't throw NY and NJ in with the stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 125April 19, 2020 4:38 PM

Sorry, R125

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by Anonymousreply 126April 19, 2020 4:41 PM

R126: Apology accepted. That is for personal use only.

by Anonymousreply 127April 19, 2020 4:49 PM

Ohio doesn't have low density. It has major cities, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton, Toledo, Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown.....

by Anonymousreply 128April 19, 2020 6:12 PM

Our lockdown was to last until May 15. But if people get on subways & buses, were going to have a lot of cases again.

by Anonymousreply 129April 19, 2020 6:26 PM

What is the reason for starting to reopen in the worst states? No new cases or money ? Pressure from Rump?

by Anonymousreply 130April 19, 2020 6:59 PM

[quote] DeWine said in response to those critics. "Watch how we do this.

Sounds like the redneck “hold my beer.”

by Anonymousreply 131April 19, 2020 7:49 PM

Cases have gone up, because of testing in the prisons, not additional cases in the civilian population:

Officials have attributed the relative spike in cases to increased testing in Ohio’s prisons. Marion County, home of the Marion County Correctional Institution, now leads the state with 1,834 positive cases, of which 851 were newly recorded in state totals on Sunday. Of the nearly 2,500 inmates at the Marion Correctional Center, 1,828 — or 75% — now have tested positive for coronavirus, as have another 109 staff members, according to data released Sunday afternoon by the Ohio Department of Corrections. A guard there died earlier this month due to coronavirus, according to state officials.

by Anonymousreply 132April 19, 2020 8:41 PM

In many states, the numbers are going up because of better reporting from nursing homes. There is no visitation at these facilities, and they don’t reflect community spread.

by Anonymousreply 133April 19, 2020 9:07 PM

I don't see a problem with NY marinas opening up for personal use. Why shouldn't you be able to get on your boat and go fishing?

by Anonymousreply 134April 19, 2020 9:40 PM

"Ha you imbecile rethug trolls are not slick, the ones claiming the media is making this sound like a bigger deal are all retard trumpets. FUCK OFF.."

And you sound like a hysterical harpie queen. EAT ME!!!

by Anonymousreply 135April 19, 2020 9:46 PM

R132 I heard that Marion county had about 14 cases of people testing poz for the c-virus but not staying in quarantine.

They were all caught running errands, shopping & hanging out with others.

by Anonymousreply 136April 19, 2020 10:10 PM

What if humans spread it to the fish?

by Anonymousreply 137April 19, 2020 10:15 PM

The virus in nursing homes shouldn't be as a big of of a concern as some are making it out to be. Nursing homes are for old people, some have one foot in the grave already anyway. We need to focus our attention in other areas.

by Anonymousreply 138April 19, 2020 10:40 PM

Didn’t someone saw Central Park was crowded?

by Anonymousreply 139April 19, 2020 10:52 PM

"some have one foot in the grave already anyway."

Isn' t that the argument for not treating AIDS victims?

by Anonymousreply 140April 19, 2020 10:56 PM

R134 and the other rich douchebags think going fishing on their boat is "essential"

by Anonymousreply 141April 19, 2020 11:00 PM

I despise R138. I really do.

by Anonymousreply 142April 19, 2020 11:01 PM

The people making these choices are the most powerful and influential people in the states. In Ohio, the wealthy will be ensconced in quarantine as the workers they send back to work contract the virus and die.

by Anonymousreply 143April 19, 2020 11:05 PM

I had 138 on ignore I'm sure he is a Russian troll.

by Anonymousreply 144April 19, 2020 11:05 PM

Over 1,800 inmates test positive for Covid-19, but are asymptomatic. Does this foretell what a test of America would look like: most of us have already had it- but were asymptomatic?

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by Anonymousreply 145April 19, 2020 11:59 PM

R145, that’s my expectation. It may be the reason for the delay in tests, to avoid mass panic.

R134, boating is often done in groups and involves dock-workers, too. And it’s often a luxury, not essential.

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by Anonymousreply 146April 20, 2020 12:30 AM

[quote] R138: The virus in nursing homes shouldn't be as a big of of a concern as some are making it out to be. Nursing homes are for old people, some have one foot in the grave already anyway. We need to focus our attention in other areas.

R138: You should realize that most people can pay attention to multiple areas of concern at the same time. I sense that you’re bored, and want people to die so that you can find the next amusing thing.

Yes, I’m judging you, R138.

by Anonymousreply 147April 20, 2020 12:52 AM

If this is locked up at home stuff is still going on in the summer, that when the shit is really going hit the fan. It's bad enough that most summer events have been canceled, but they better not try to keep everyone at home on top of it all too.

by Anonymousreply 148April 20, 2020 1:58 AM

R148, the right leader could speak to the people and convince them that it’s necessary, and they’d mostly comply. Trump isn't that leader, though. But, it could be done.

by Anonymousreply 149April 20, 2020 2:05 AM

My sister is absolutely thrilled because she thinks this means she'll still be able to go to her 20k concert in July. I really hope they don't open venues so soon.

by Anonymousreply 150April 20, 2020 2:11 AM

Well, see, R148, you could always take your own advice:

[quote]For those who grew up with him in your life, but then turned your backs on the Lord for one misguided reason or another. Has this crises made you realize what is truly important and welcomed the Lord back into your life?

by Anonymousreply 151April 20, 2020 3:03 AM

The reason it’s spreading in prisons is because a bunch of people are living closely together and eating cafeteria style food prepared and served by other people that are serving hundreds each, and walking the yard together.

So let’s open up everything in big cities where everyone does everything communally, like ride the subway and bus, eat together in restaurants, and walk the streets together. What could go wrong?

by Anonymousreply 152April 20, 2020 3:08 AM

Red America is so lacking in patience, intelligence, and attention span that by the time the cases spike again because of the opening up of things like the fucking beaches two weeks will have passed and they'll all be like, "Huh? But, why? What happened? We blame Obama!"

I hate these fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 153April 20, 2020 4:40 AM

Its Ohio, a red state. So let them be the national petri dish. If it turns out fine, good on them, if not, its just collateral damage. Yawnnnnn

by Anonymousreply 154April 20, 2020 5:44 AM

R138, Do you know why they're called "nursing homes"? Because they offer rehabilitation (occupational and physical) services for people rendered incapacitated without them. Yes, most patients are old, but not necessarily on their last proverbial leg.

by Anonymousreply 155April 20, 2020 6:20 AM

Ease up on restrictions or else what, r148?

I think the media need to make the manner of Covid-19 deaths vivid. People need to have the fear of God put in them right about now.

by Anonymousreply 156April 20, 2020 6:27 AM

If you think about it if these states want to open back up in a week or so they'll be way more cases of covid then there was when they shut down a month ago.

by Anonymousreply 157April 20, 2020 7:03 AM

Ohio's dumbfuck neighbors be dyin' soon.

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by Anonymousreply 158April 20, 2020 7:05 AM

Repugs are never able to see anything beyond the tip of their fucking noses. "I'm not sick, so everything should go back to normal!" They literally do not have the empathetic or intellectual ability to consider other people. It applies to everything they believe.

by Anonymousreply 159April 20, 2020 7:25 AM

Buckeye here. We’re not as urban as you imagine. Cleveland, Akron, Canton and Youngstown are clustered in the northeast of the state. It’s a virus hotspot no one is reporting about. There’s lots of green space between the other cities, 100 miles of it between Cincinnati and Columbus, and 150 miles between Dayton and Toledo. Southeast Ohio is rolling hills and Appalachian in character. Yet, all but one of the 88 counties has at least one case. 1100+ new cases overnight. I think Dewine’s program will need to be rolled out slower than he imagines.

by Anonymousreply 160April 20, 2020 7:43 AM

R133 thinks no one works at nursing homes....

Why the fuck are we being infested with frau neandertheists??? Revolting. Go lick a church banister, Einstein. If we could just GET RID OF all of you magical thinking morons, the Earth might actually be a decent place.

R160 “more slowly”

by Anonymousreply 161April 20, 2020 10:12 AM

Why is it that Republicans cannot learn history?

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by Anonymousreply 162April 20, 2020 1:37 PM

The "Anti-Mask League" of 1919. Sound familiar?

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by Anonymousreply 163April 20, 2020 1:38 PM

Ohio is certainly in a better condition to reopen than Michigan, which has been grievously hit by COVID-19 and is just starting to reduce its rate of infections, or Florida or Texas, which have been spared the worst of the first wave but whose rates of infection are on the rise. But it's a strictly political move and makes no sense from the standpoint of either public health or economics. You're not growing the economy by deliberately making people sick.

by Anonymousreply 164April 20, 2020 1:49 PM

R164: Huh? Ohio had almost 1400 new cases just yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 165April 20, 2020 1:53 PM

R165 The new cases statistic comes with all kinds of caveats around testing, so I don't trust it completely. But still...it's too early to open. Hopefully DeWine is accurate about how incremental the process will be so it doesn't turn into "get sick if you want, it's your problem."

by Anonymousreply 166April 20, 2020 2:10 PM

People have in the past, and always will be, stupid. The reason the 1917-18 flu pandemic had a second wave was because people got tired of social distancing and resumed their lives. These states will be my canary in a coal mine. Along with the far right libertarian whack jobs protesting and suing states regarding wearing masks. Seriously, if people want to go out and resume their lives, and their liberties, let them. If they start dropping like flies, it just means its too early to go out.

by Anonymousreply 167April 20, 2020 2:20 PM

When people refuse to evacuate hurricane zones as one is approaching, the police will sometimes allow them to stay provided they write their next of kin on their forearm, or something similar. That make some people realize the seriousness of the situation. I think they ought to be doing something similar with these protesters.

Also, there are already plenty of cases of protesters who have died. I can think of that Pastor-activist, the lawyer for that Church that refused to close, and that person who had posted to social media. I learned about them all on DataLounge. These people’s situations ought to be more publicized.

by Anonymousreply 168April 20, 2020 2:34 PM

Anderson Cooper followed up with the black pastor who insisted on holding services. The daughter was interviewed on air. I found her disingenuous and hypocritical. Anderson was classy about it. The daughter said her father was misrepresented because he put very strict distancing measures in place in the church and was taking the virus seriously but also was taking his "role" as a "pillar of community spirituality" seriously and felt they needed the in situ worship. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. My gawd, the delusion. HE DEAD. DEAD. DADDY DEAD.

by Anonymousreply 169April 20, 2020 2:39 PM

R168, the difference between the current situation and a hurricane is that those protesters are not only endangering themselves. If I was confident that they would only harm themselves, I'd be okay with it, but they will be infecting others and they will be using scarce medical resources when they get sick.

by Anonymousreply 170April 20, 2020 2:51 PM

[quote]My gawd, the delusion. HE DEAD. DEAD. DADDY DEAD.

He’s fine. He sends his love.

by Anonymousreply 171April 20, 2020 2:57 PM

I admired Anderson’s self control. If it was me, I would be tempted to say, your father is a murderer and you’re a sociopath. He killed people and all you can think is, poor me and MY family. Fuck the family of everybody he killed.

If he was as wonderful as she claimed, he could have had people kick in money for the less fortunate in the congregation, or organized grocery pickups for their elderly neighbors. Or just called his parishioners every week and made sure they were okay at home. If he had died from doing errands for the sick I would respect that.

But no, to him the only way to acknowledge the virus was to spread it far and wide, causing unnecessary suffering and death. All in Jesus‘ name, telling parishioners if they’re not out killing themselves they’re bad people and don’t believe in God. And you know some of those people are ignorant and will do whatever the pastor says, no matter how stupid. He led them to their deaths to get money for the church.

I can’t imagine what kind of horrible person you have to be to be raised in a church and have zero compassion for the people he sickened and killed for his ego. That’s the kind of thing that drives people away from the church. Complete lack of self-awareness, or acknowledgement that anybody else exists or matters.

by Anonymousreply 172April 20, 2020 9:32 PM

Ohio's " opening" will be drastically conservative compared to Fla, GA, Texas, or SC.

Gov. Mike DeWine on Tuesday afternoon said the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved reagent, or chemicals, used in coronavirus testing kits made by Thermo Fisher Scientific.

“Most of the major labs use Thermo Fisher’s machines," he said.

Reopening the economy will be safer with the help of more testing so people can know if they’re positive, he said.

DeWine also announced a testing strike team lead by former Ohio Govs. Dick Celeste, a Democrat, and Bob Taft, a Republican.

“They both love Ohio and they both as I said were quick to say yes when I asked them if they would do this,” he said. “They will use their skills, their talent, their experience, their contacts, their life experience to help us in this critical mission to make sure we improve testing and expand testing in the state of Ohio.”

Some states have announced specifics about what industries will soon reopen. DeWine on Tuesday didn’t go that far.

He said he wants to open businesses that can get the highest numbers of employees back to work in the safest manner.

DeWine said one of the questions he gets asked most frequently is, “When can I get a haircut?"

Barbering and cosmetology are professions in which the professionals and clients are closer than 6 feet. People’s hair and skin is touched.

“It’s obviously by its nature close contact," DeWine said. “That’s something we’re exploring.”

Acton said that the industries are monitoring the federal Centers for Disease Control and Protection guidance and technology may evolve.

by Anonymousreply 173April 21, 2020 8:08 PM

What will happen? Darwinism.

by Anonymousreply 174April 21, 2020 10:38 PM

Darwinism doesn't work so well with communicable diseases, especially ones as easily spread as this one. Unless the responsible states put in strict travel restrictions with mandatory quarantines or outright banning people from returning from the irresponsible states, it will spread everywhere. And, the more it spreads, the more hosts it encounters, the more it mutates. The only Darwinism involved here is that of the virus and its varied and upcoming mutations.

by Anonymousreply 175April 22, 2020 12:02 AM

[quote]I think the media need to make the manner of Covid-19 deaths vivid. People need to have the fear of God put in them right about now.

The way images of disfigurements from cancer have eradicated all smoking in the U.S.?

by Anonymousreply 176April 22, 2020 1:01 AM

Is Wisconsin the slowest/safest state? They are under safer at home order until late May. MAY. Lucky Wisconsin office worker britches.

by Anonymousreply 177April 22, 2020 1:40 AM

Cheeseheads celebrate their delayed opening.

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by Anonymousreply 178April 22, 2020 12:47 PM

Georgia seems to have jumped the line.

by Anonymousreply 179April 23, 2020 12:19 AM

In a month or so there’ll be chaos in those red states.

by Anonymousreply 180April 23, 2020 3:43 AM

How do we keep the red state shit out of our blue states? That's something the responsible governors need to also start discussing.

by Anonymousreply 181April 23, 2020 5:33 AM

[quote] Georgia seems to have jumped the line.

What do you mean by this?

by Anonymousreply 182April 23, 2020 11:22 AM

The video is from 2016. I guess it was a joke.

by Anonymousreply 183April 23, 2020 11:29 AM

R182, the headline in this thread is that Ohio is the first to open. Georgia beat Ohio to it, jumping the line and reopening in April.

by Anonymousreply 184April 23, 2020 2:44 PM

I opened my holes on Wednesday 22 April at 6 pm. Open for business and it's thriving.

by Anonymousreply 185April 23, 2020 2:46 PM

"The video is from 2016. I guess it was a joke."

Wow. Really?

by Anonymousreply 186April 23, 2020 2:56 PM

With any luck, r138 won't live long enough to become a nursing home resident. Win, win!

by Anonymousreply 187April 23, 2020 3:02 PM

Sorry Ohio, get in line behind Georgie Girl!

by Anonymousreply 188April 23, 2020 3:05 PM

Unlike Trump and many other Republican office holders, Ohio Republican governor takes responsibility for the state's coronavirus policy:

“Any complaints about the policy of this administration need to be directed at me. I am the office holder, and I appointed the Director. Ultimately, I am responsible for the decisions in regard to the coronavirus. The buck stops with me,” he said.

by Anonymousreply 189April 23, 2020 3:12 PM

Watching the daily DeWine briefings is so comforting. A sane, responsible adult in charge, listening to medical professionals who insist that a comprehensive testing strategy be in place before reopening can begin. Can you imagine how different things would be in this country if we had that at a federal level?

by Anonymousreply 190April 23, 2020 3:18 PM

Cuomo too, r190.

I don’t always agree with his politics, but he’s handling himself very well here.

by Anonymousreply 191April 23, 2020 3:34 PM

R190, you must be Trumper.

by Anonymousreply 192April 23, 2020 9:08 PM

R192, you have just demonstrated how truly ignorant you are.

by Anonymousreply 193April 24, 2020 1:56 AM

With any luck, R138 won’t make it through the night.

We haven’t seen your face R138, but we know it’s very punchable.

by Anonymousreply 194April 24, 2020 2:09 AM

[quote]How do we keep the red state shit out of our blue states? That's something the responsible governors need to also start discussing.

And that will cause SERIOUS issues.

People can say, "Go ahead and let Ohio be the nation's petri dish!"

But people from Ohio go to Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana & Michigan.

Hopefully (Blue and Purple) Michigan and Pennsylvania will stop them from entering the state when things go batshit and the infection rate skyrockets.

by Anonymousreply 195April 24, 2020 2:33 AM

[quote]people from Ohio go to Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana & Michigan.

Some come even further. My dad owns rental property in both states and drives his RV back and forth between them twice a year, probably coughing up a storm each way.

by Anonymousreply 196April 24, 2020 2:42 AM

^ between California and Ohio, I meant.

by Anonymousreply 197April 24, 2020 2:44 AM

Don't forget the fact that they aren't limiting airline travel between states. Anyone in these newly opened petri dish states can just jump on a plane and go anywhere they want. Can you imagine if Vegas opens? What happens in Vegas can stay the fuck in Vegas forever. You go, you stay.

by Anonymousreply 198April 24, 2020 3:15 AM

[quote] R181: How do we keep the red state shit out of our blue states? That's something the responsible governors need to also start discussing.

You can’t interfere with interstate commerce, but you might be able to require people from other states to show evidence of antibodies or corona-vaccination, to be allowed into the state. The police could do random spot checks on cars with out of state plates.

Though, you wouldn’t want to block incoming products like groceries and oil. So, beware unintended consequences.

by Anonymousreply 199April 24, 2020 3:52 AM

And then Ohio and Georgia will beg for ventilators, masks, and other medical equipment and PPE from more thoughtful Blue states.

by Anonymousreply 200April 24, 2020 3:57 AM

Ohio's not currently begging for supplies as far as I know. The hospitals are not overrun, and they have fewer issues with masks than some other areas because they got approval for a local company to sterilize them for reuse.

by Anonymousreply 201April 24, 2020 5:37 AM

No need to wait 14 days, many people show symptoms within 5 days.

by Anonymousreply 202April 24, 2020 5:38 AM

I think they're also working on preparing their own test kits and recently they said they would start synthesizing their own reagent which is their limiting factor as far as testing goes.

by Anonymousreply 203April 24, 2020 5:39 AM

many of you seem to have missed the memo that lockdowns cannot be forever.

by Anonymousreply 204April 24, 2020 7:50 AM

It was explained on Trevor Noah that the stay at home order can be over once the numbers are consistently low.

by Anonymousreply 205April 24, 2020 9:33 AM

There has been no decrease in the numbers at all, much less 14 consistent days of decrease. Opening now = killing more people & prolonging the plague.

by Anonymousreply 206April 24, 2020 9:37 AM

R204, thanks Captain Obvious.

by Anonymousreply 207April 24, 2020 10:18 AM

[quote] The police could do random spot checks on cars with out of state plates.

Unfortunately that’s unconstitutional. New Hampshire tried that in the beginning of this with New York plates. Cuomo threatened to sue them and they blinked.

There’s no (legal) way to stop them from coming in.

by Anonymousreply 208April 24, 2020 1:25 PM

I don't know, r208. A few years ago when pot became legal in Colorado, cops were pulling people over with plates from states where it was still illegal as they crossed states lines. Maybe it was unconstitutional for the cops to do that, though.

by Anonymousreply 209April 24, 2020 1:42 PM

It was. It was just a ploy to stop them knowing they’d probably have illegal drugs.

If you watch any of those COPS or LivePD episodes, they do it all the time. They see a car leave a drug house and follow it until it does a traffic infraction. Then they pull it over.

I’d be willing to bet all the court paperwork they may have submitted for those stops all started with a variant of “I observed the vehicle [commit a traffic infraction], activated my lights and stopped the vehicle. Through investigation, it was revealed that he was carrying marijuana.”

Saying nothing, of course, about the plates being from out of state. That had nothing to do with it. (Yeah, right!)

by Anonymousreply 210April 24, 2020 1:57 PM

And it goes a little something like this.

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by Anonymousreply 211April 24, 2020 2:03 PM

"Hopefully (Blue and Purple) Michigan and Pennsylvania will stop them from entering the state"

The number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus (COVID-19) in Michigan has risen to 35,291 as of Thursday, including 2,977 deaths, state officials report.

Ohio:

13,725 cases; 557 deaths

Which state needs to stop the other citizens from entering?

If you think that Ohio is going to "open" like Georgia or Florida, then you are extremely stupid. But then this is DL, where facts rarely matter.

by Anonymousreply 212April 24, 2020 2:06 PM

Oh, BTW, here are the numbers for Pennsylvania:

37,069 cases 1,421 deaths

So, the "blue " states are not faring well here, R 195

by Anonymousreply 213April 24, 2020 2:09 PM

[quote] Nursing homes are for old people, some have one foot in the grave already anyway.

Text book ageism. We’ve had as many people die of this pandemic in two months as died in Vietnam in 13 years, a war often described as a national catastrophe. But it’s mostly “just old people” so forget it.

by Anonymousreply 214April 24, 2020 2:15 PM

Ohio and West Virginia are not allowing liquor stores to sell to Pennsylvanians crossing the border to purchase alcohol. Our shitty state run liquor stores were deemed non-essential and we're closed through this past Monday.

by Anonymousreply 215April 24, 2020 2:38 PM

[quote] Ohio and West Virginia are not allowing liquor stores to sell to Pennsylvanians crossing the border to purchase alcohol.

How can they do that?

by Anonymousreply 216April 24, 2020 3:41 PM

R216:

"Because the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has a higher rate of coronavirus infection in its citizens than West Virginia and because state-owned liquor stores in PA were closed by their Governor on March 16 due to the coronavirus pandemic, it has been observed that due to the proximity of Pennsylvania to Monongalia County and North Central West Virginia, many people are patronizing stores that sell spirits and hard liquors,” according to the county health department order. “As a means of diminishing any increase of coronavirus in Monongalia County from individuals arriving from out of state, it is the recommendation of Monongalia County Health Department and its Health Officer that liquor sales be limited to only West Virginia residents.”

Meanwhile, many Pennsylvanians are still in search of their favorite spirit.

Gov. Tom Wolf announced this week that the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board is going to start selling liquor online, during the outbreak. But, purchasing times and purchases are limited.

by Anonymousreply 217April 24, 2020 4:18 PM

[quote] Monongalia County

Is this a county of Mongoloids?

by Anonymousreply 218April 24, 2020 4:50 PM

[quote] it is the [bold]recommendation[/bold] of Monongalia County Health Department and its Health Officer that liquor sales be limited to only West Virginia residents.

That’s why. They can recommend it, but they can’t directly prohibit it in the same way they can’t prohibit people from driving into their state.

by Anonymousreply 219April 24, 2020 4:51 PM

Two new agreements with medical-supply companies to make coronavirus test kit supplies will allow Ohio to dramatically escalate the number of state residents who are tested, Gov. Mike DeWine said Friday.

The agreements, with Thermo Fisher to make testing reagent and Independence-based ROE Dental Laboratory to manufacture 1 million swabs, will allow a dramatic rise in the number of test kits made, from 3,728 per day currently to 7,200 tests per day on April 29 and 22,000 tests per day by May 27, according to the governor.

As testing begins to expand in the coming weeks, DeWine previously said he will begin to lift his administration’s “stay-at-home” and business closure orders starting May 1. The governor indicated he will outline those reopening plans on Monday.

by Anonymousreply 220April 24, 2020 8:23 PM

R213, the blue states will be fucking paradises a month from now after the stupidest of red states open too soon and their infections skyrocket again.

by Anonymousreply 221April 24, 2020 11:41 PM

I'm not sure New York will be celebrating next month.

by Anonymousreply 222April 24, 2020 11:46 PM

Ohio already has some of the fastest growing outbreaks in the country. So yeah it’s going to get worse.

by Anonymousreply 223April 24, 2020 11:50 PM

R204 - “many of you seem to have missed the memo that lockdowns cannot be forever.”

Your snarky and bitchy tone will not be tolerated. Most especially, because of your failure to use capital letters.

by Anonymousreply 224April 25, 2020 12:39 AM

[quote]How do we keep the red state shit out of our blue states?

The blue states have had the most cases, bringing into question their management of the crisis, so it would be the red states barring the blue state residents.

by Anonymousreply 225April 25, 2020 2:19 AM

Maryland, South Dakota and Ohio are red.

by Anonymousreply 226April 25, 2020 2:25 AM

R225, the big cities got hit first. The Democratic governors of the states containing those states acted and are still acting responsibly. The red states are just ramping up to their peak weeks now. You might want to educate yourself just a little bit. Maybe, oh, I don't know, pay attention to facts and trends during a pandemic. Then again, don't. You're in a red state. Go lick your neighbors. It is what's best for the country. Kill yourselves with stupidity. You've already been doing it in slow motion for 30 years by voting for assholes who hate you and want you to suffer and die. Hey, wishes do come true!

by Anonymousreply 227April 25, 2020 3:31 AM

[quote]The red states are just ramping up to their peak weeks now.

That's not true. Many red states are at or have passed the peak.

by Anonymousreply 228April 25, 2020 3:46 AM

"Ohio already has some of the fastest growing outbreaks in the country. So yeah it’s going to get worse."

That's because of the outbreak in the prisons.

There were 475 new cases reported Friday, the second lowest total since April 15. Recent increases had been tied heavily to stepped-up testing in prisons, even among inmates without symptoms.

The prison department Thursday reported 4,162 cases (3,816 inmates and 346 staff). This was up from 489 inmates and 184 staff April 16. The total included nearly 2,188 inmates and staff at the Marion Correctional Institution, and 1,637 at the Pickaway Correctional Institution.

Also affecting comparisons to earlier trends, the state on April 10 began new reporting standards to include more types of testing and cases identified from non-testing evidence. This has resulted in 588 additional “probable” cases than would have been reported previously, including 36 added Friday.

by Anonymousreply 229April 25, 2020 3:51 AM

R225 and R228 - I try not to hang with assholes, but when I do, I share my popcorn.

So have some of my popcorn, and let’s watch the case numbers spike in the bum-fuck states of Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky Tennessee, South Carolina, and lest I forget, Fla-duh, as their “leadership” prematurely declares “open for business”. A dangerous Move that ignores the advice of our medical experts. 🍿 Plain or butter?

R227 is informed, and correct.

by Anonymousreply 230April 25, 2020 6:27 AM

Kentucky will not open under a Dem governor.

Meanwhile, in Ohio, it's easy to see who is behind the small "reopen immediately" movement.

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by Anonymousreply 231April 25, 2020 6:30 PM

I live in Ky but work in Indiana but it’s Republican governor seems sane.

by Anonymousreply 232April 25, 2020 6:48 PM

[quote]but it’s Republican governor seems sane.

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 233April 25, 2020 7:04 PM

R25 Yes, please do. We need to clean up the gene pool.

by Anonymousreply 234April 25, 2020 7:11 PM

R214, It's worse. The old people dying now are of the Vietnam generation, aka, Baby Boomers.

by Anonymousreply 235April 26, 2020 12:24 AM

Some of them are Silent Generation. Not every older person is a Boomer.

by Anonymousreply 236April 26, 2020 1:20 AM

These red hot states won't get massive spikes over the summer. I know you catastrophe queens don't think high temps and humidity affect the virus, but the bottom twenty countries in the coronavirus ranking are all stinking hot year round.

by Anonymousreply 237April 26, 2020 1:25 AM

The Miami area is a hot spot for the virus. It's been warm there, some days downright hot, since February. How does that fit in?

by Anonymousreply 238April 26, 2020 1:30 AM

I caught coved. My doctor gave me 2 weeks to live. I said, “Doc, I can’t pay you”, he said, “I’ll give you another 2 weeks“.

by Anonymousreply 239April 26, 2020 1:45 AM

[quote]The Miami area is a hot spot for the virus. It's been warm there, some days downright hot, since February. How does that fit in?

Believe it or not, Miami has buildings, generally air-conditioned, and most people spend most of their day in one, where they give each other the virus.

by Anonymousreply 240April 26, 2020 5:34 AM

R236, Yes, some of our elders were born before 1945. But if the BB Generation goes to 1960, that comprises people now aged 60-75.

by Anonymousreply 241April 27, 2020 12:48 PM

California’s in a heat wave right now.

Hasn’t had an affect on their case numbers.

by Anonymousreply 242April 27, 2020 1:01 PM

DeWine announces " opening":

Bars, hair salons, restaurants and daycares will not be open at this time.

“We realize day care remains a challenge for people,” he said, since many bosses are going to require their workers to come in.

DeWine said the point of the partial reopening is to get people back to work.

On Friday, all nonessential medical procedures at hospitals that do not require an overnight stay will be allowed to resume, he said. This includes dentists.

On May 4, construction, manufacturing and distribution operations will resume in Ohio -- but with social distancing, hygiene, cleaning and other measures to protect workers and customers and their families. Masks or other facial coverings will be required for this, he said. Employees have to perform a daily assessment, which means taking their temperature and checking for coughing and their bosses need to allow them to stay at home when they’re symptomatic. Desks must be disinfected. Clients must come in in a staggered fashion.

On May 4, offices that had previously been deemed “nonessential” under health department orders will also open, DeWine said. Masks must be worn. Employees should work remotely from home when possible. Employers must require regular hand-washing.

On May 12, retailers will be allowed to reopen, he said, with facial coverings required, guests allowed to enter in a staggered fashion to allow 6-feet between them. Food courts must remain closed, he said.

by Anonymousreply 243April 27, 2020 7:04 PM

Ohio's opening more conservative and sensible than other states.

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by Anonymousreply 244April 27, 2020 9:02 PM

Where is Ohio getting the hundreds of millions of masks necessary for just one month?

by Anonymousreply 245April 27, 2020 9:34 PM

Reusable fabric masks for nonmedical schlubs, rose.

by Anonymousreply 246April 28, 2020 2:53 AM

Ohio is doing a fantastic job containing the beer flu.

It is not a low density state either.

by Anonymousreply 247April 28, 2020 3:55 AM

This is the most sensible what I would call “middle of the road” approach I’ve seen. Lucky they happen to have a Republican though so Trump will give him what he needs. Sick that it works that way.

I wish NYC and some other states would take this kind of measured approach.

by Anonymousreply 248April 28, 2020 5:11 AM

R248 It's not quite so simple... there have been reports that Trump is jealous of DeWine's press coverage and has refused to grant his requests. At one point Trump even rescheduled a briefing to conflict with DeWine's and drown out his headlines. DeWine has refused to badmouth the administration but I wonder what his thoughts are. He appeared with Trump at his Ohio rallies and is a staunch Republican but maybe his opinion has changed based on the pandemic response. In any case, he appears to be doing the tightrope walk and keeping relations with Trump positive for now.

by Anonymousreply 249April 28, 2020 6:05 AM

It's about time. All businesses should be open. Just follow social distancing guidelines and mask requirements.

by Anonymousreply 250April 28, 2020 10:17 AM

He is becoming a national example of leadership.

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by Anonymousreply 251April 28, 2020 3:50 PM

[quote] All businesses should be open. Just follow social distancing guidelines and mask requirements.

How can you make that work in a barber shop?

by Anonymousreply 252April 28, 2020 4:20 PM

I can't believe Dewine just walked back mandatory masks.

by Anonymousreply 253April 28, 2020 6:39 PM

R253 I'm very disappointed with that too. In my area only about 50% of people are wearing them.

by Anonymousreply 254April 28, 2020 6:45 PM

Masks are a pain in the ass to wear. It should only be up to each person if they choose to put up with it. Having to stay home is bad enough!

by Anonymousreply 255April 28, 2020 9:02 PM

I'm not at all surprised. I don't know why people are so easily fooled into thinking monsters like DeWine and Kasich are any different that the rest of the Neo-KGB/GOP. They're not.

by Anonymousreply 256April 28, 2020 9:12 PM

OP, it's going to be a lot of dead Buckeyes. Everywhere you look. Dead Buckeyes.

by Anonymousreply 257April 28, 2020 9:14 PM

Shirley you know it's what happens 28 Days Later.

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by Anonymousreply 258April 28, 2020 9:29 PM

R258: I LOVE that movie! Time to watch it again👍

by Anonymousreply 259April 28, 2020 9:52 PM

[quote] Masks are a pain in the ass to wear. It should only be up to each person if they choose to put up with it.

You do realize the mask doesn’t protect you, right?

It’s to protect me FROM you.

by Anonymousreply 260April 28, 2020 10:22 PM

[quote]You do realize the mask doesn’t protect you, right? It’s to protect me FROM you.

He and his ilk know that.

They just don't care.

by Anonymousreply 261April 28, 2020 10:26 PM

R260, all the more reason not to wear one.

by Anonymousreply 262April 29, 2020 2:04 AM

Dr Scarf said if everyone wears a mask everyone would be protected.

I’m mostly all alone but I do try to wear them at stores and drive throughs but when you go and see no one wearing them you think why bother.

I just saw on the bing page the governor of Iowa said if you don’t go back to work when it reopens you will lose your unemployment benefits. I wonder if that’s true in all states.

by Anonymousreply 263April 29, 2020 2:41 AM

[quote]...but when you go and see no one wearing them you think why bother.

Speak for yourself. We are not all that stupid. We know why and we do bother.

by Anonymousreply 264April 29, 2020 2:54 AM

I worry about going to work because I’m a triple threat risk over-weight, over 60 and bad blood pressure.

by Anonymousreply 265April 29, 2020 2:59 AM

R260 I think your point you're trying to make was to "protect YOU from me."

by Anonymousreply 266April 29, 2020 3:14 AM

I feel you r265. My husband has to go back to work May 11 in a factory setting, and he has high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and an autoimmune disease. He's fifty. We're thinking about him taking family leave for 12 weeks. We have enough money saved up for it, and we're just hoping in 3 months they'll have a better way to treat the virus, or prevent its transmission. I don't know. Are we being over the top?

by Anonymousreply 267April 29, 2020 3:15 AM

Didn't read entire thread - but this is depressing. Ohio, for once in recent times, was one of the model states and leading in keeping it under control.

Oh well. Hope it spreads to the MAGA towns.

by Anonymousreply 268April 29, 2020 3:19 AM

Granted, despite the sad walkback of the mask rule, the "opening" is still pretty slow and hopefully won't be a major issue.

by Anonymousreply 269April 29, 2020 3:34 AM

Uh, no, r266.

by Anonymousreply 270April 29, 2020 11:18 AM

[quote]I just saw on the bing page the governor of Iowa said if you don’t go back to work when it reopens you will lose your unemployment benefits. I wonder if that’s true in all states.

I believe so, unless the states have passed legislation to the contrary. If you can work but choose not to, for whatever reason, you're not entitled to unemployment benefits. It's just one of the reasons why so many of us are concerned about reopening without proper testing, tracing, and treatment: it's forcing people into potentially life-threatening choices.

by Anonymousreply 271April 29, 2020 2:06 PM

R250, Are you living in the US?! There's probably a significant percentage of citizens who couldn't even tell you what's going on. Dead serious here.

So you want to mingle around them? Because they'll be the ones close to you and without masks.

by Anonymousreply 272April 29, 2020 8:47 PM

R267, Can you think of a more important reason to take the family leave? No, you can't. Do it.

by Anonymousreply 273April 29, 2020 8:48 PM

R267,

[quote] Are we being over the top?

Let me ask you this: How many lives does your husband have? Unless he’s a cat, he has one like the rest of us. You cannot risk it nor go into work every day with this ongoing. You do what you have to do that’s right for both of you and fuck what anyone else says or thinks.

God forbid your husband died, do you think the company will mourn him as irreplaceable and shut their doors or simply move on to the next candidate as they throw his work belongings in the trash? Because I know what they’d do and I don’t even know where he works.

by Anonymousreply 274April 29, 2020 9:52 PM

[QUOTE] Public-health officials broadly agree that reopening businesses—especially those that require close physical contact—in places where the virus has already spread will kill people. Even so, many other states are quietly considering similar moves to Georgia’s.

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by Anonymousreply 275April 29, 2020 9:56 PM

Mask Policy in Ohio: Lt. Gov. Jon Husted again clarified the requirements of masks, which DeWine on Tuesday revised.

“For Ohioans when you are a customer, in an Ohio business, you should wear a face covering, you should do that, but you are not required to wear a face covering," Husted said.

Employers and employees must wear face coverings, except when:

Health providers advise against it. Laws and regulations prohibit it. It’s a violation of a company’s safety policies. Face coverings are against documented industry best practices. An employee is in an enclosed work space. There is a “practical reason” that it cannot be worn, such as extreme heat conditions.

“If you believe your business or employees qualify for these exceptions, you must provide written justification upon request," Husted said.

Ohio Department of Health Dr. Amy Acton said there are people with disabilities and other issues who cannot wear masks. Masks are not recommended for under age 2, she said.

She said that 100% compliance is never possible. However, she implored people to think about others.

Ohioans staying at home helped flatten the curve, she said, and people need to take the same initiative with masks.

“You might be doing it for my child who is immunocompromised," she said. "You might be doing it for my parents.”

by Anonymousreply 276April 29, 2020 10:02 PM

Cincinnati poll on likelihood of mask wearing:

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by Anonymousreply 277April 29, 2020 10:06 PM

Cincinnati is very conservative and will do whatever is asked of it.

by Anonymousreply 278April 30, 2020 12:40 AM

The high school students in my Ohio grocery store are required to wear masks, but they wear them around their chins, so they can talk to each other.

by Anonymousreply 279April 30, 2020 12:41 AM

Cincinnati is also very Republican, the home of Rob Portman, Jean Schmidt, Ken Blackwell, Bill Cunningham, Charles Keating, and a plethora of GOP darlings. So, to see that they would favor masks is an encouraging sign.

by Anonymousreply 280April 30, 2020 1:16 AM

R279 Heinen's?

by Anonymousreply 281April 30, 2020 1:41 AM

Kroger, R279

by Anonymousreply 282May 1, 2020 1:46 AM

Yes, let's go Krogering swathed in enough sub-standard jerry-rigged PPE to send the whole store up in flames. You KNOW that none of that home made PPE is fire-retardant. I can't wait for the first cracker to step outside to smoke with his or her mask hanging below chin level and it all goes POOF!

by Anonymousreply 283May 1, 2020 1:04 PM

DeWine stands firm in decision for measured opening despite right-wing protests:

As stay-at-home orders expire in states across the country and several of his fellow Republican governors move swiftly to reopen shuttered businesses, DeWine said he intends to extend his order on Friday as he takes a measured approach in trying to rebound from the coronavirus fight. "We're starting to open up a little bit -- not fast enough, obviously, for a lot of people," he said. "But we're trying to do this in a reasonable way." DeWine was the first governor in the country to close schools last month when he began sounding a serious alarm about the spread of coronavirus well before the White House did. Since then, his handling of the crisis -- which included calling for the delay of his state's primary -- has earned praise from across the spectrum. But Ohio's tolerance for a third-straight month of a deliberate approach became far more of an open question this week as he encountered sharp criticism for ordering all citizens to wear masks in public -- a decision he pulled back less than a day later. "It was, quite candidly, pretty much an explosion," DeWine said. "People felt affronted by that."

He said he rescinded his requirement of masks because "a significant number of Ohioans are offended by this (and) thought it was just government overreach." And, he said, he didn't want people to start tuning out his other requests and orders as the fight continues with coronavirus. "If we lose that willingness, then it will be disaster," DeWine said. "We will lose many, many more lives and our business will not come back. We can't lose that sense."

DeWine has made clear the buck stops with him, repeatedly saying that he takes full responsibility for trying to balance the still-deadly virus with the state's economy.

by Anonymousreply 284May 1, 2020 1:09 PM

Stay-at-home through Memorial Day

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by Anonymousreply 285May 1, 2020 5:53 PM

Well, PA Gov. Wolf flinched. We're about to have open-air Farmers Markets where I live.

Fresh veggies with a Covid chaser.

by Anonymousreply 286May 2, 2020 4:33 AM

Fucking Indiana is going to go ahead with their state fair in August.

[quote]Over 750,000 people visit the Indiana State Fair each year for family fun, rides and games, barnyard animals, goat yoga, fabulous fair food, and the Indiana Beer Wine & Spirits expo.

What could possibly go wrong?

by Anonymousreply 287May 2, 2020 6:27 AM

I thought the Indiana Gov was cool he's having a not too slow opening up. He has a dream everything will be back to normal July 4. Why do these people try to open up around the holidays?

by Anonymousreply 288May 2, 2020 7:12 AM

Goat yoga? Sounds really important worthy to die for.

by Anonymousreply 289May 2, 2020 7:27 AM

R288, the Indiana governor seems to have changed his tone over the last few days. Something happened to change it. He must have gotten a talking to from Indiana's own Pence. He said he is approaching this with science but also as an art. Uh huh. Stupid fucking Hoosier Hillbilly. They just can't stop themselves from returning to form.

by Anonymousreply 290May 2, 2020 10:20 AM

R290, Our governors are cowed over the armed and angry low-IQs in their capitals, never mind the incredibly small numbers these pretend soldiers comprise.

Millions of us marched to protest the imminent illegal invasion of Iraq, and swayed no-one in authority. And in NYC, we were herded, separated, and guarded by the NYPD on horses.

by Anonymousreply 291May 2, 2020 1:40 PM

CNN: Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves said Friday that he had planned to announce the reopening of certain businesses but decided against it after the state reported its largest increase new cases.

He said the number of cases increased after the state received new information on previous deaths and tests.

by Anonymousreply 292May 2, 2020 1:51 PM

Today is our partial opening day in Ohio, but if you eliminate the giant spike in confirmed cases in mid-April due to prisons reporting, Ohio just had its two worst days of this pandemic so far.

by Anonymousreply 293May 2, 2020 1:55 PM

Do you think it had something to do with Easter. The outbreak would fit right in with the date.

by Anonymousreply 294May 2, 2020 2:23 PM

Could be. Easter was three weeks ago, which gives time for infection > symptoms and illness > diagnosis.

by Anonymousreply 295May 2, 2020 11:27 PM

I have a friend who lives in Indiana who always Said if Rump was impeached Pence would be worst. I think he may be right the more I hear him talk he reminds me of Nurse Ratched’s meaner brother.

by Anonymousreply 296May 3, 2020 12:03 AM

Don’t forget the Indy 500. What about NASCAR it that year round all over the country.? I bet the deplorables would pick that over grandma in a second.

by Anonymousreply 297May 3, 2020 12:07 AM

Reopen NASCAR. Then sit back and watch those fuckers all die.

by Anonymousreply 298May 3, 2020 12:04 PM

Matt Yglesias:

In Hong Kong they now have zero cases which seems like a better route to opening things up than sacrificing hundreds of thousands of people but I guess opinions may differ.

by Anonymousreply 299May 3, 2020 1:24 PM

WaPo: Marc Short, chief of staff to Pence, repeatedly questioned the data being shared with Trump and said he did not believe the death toll would ever get to 60,000 and that the admin was overreacting. Day after day, Short pressed to reopen the entire country.

As of yesterday, after six weeks or so of lockdown restrictions in place across most of the country, the U.S. recorded 66,369 deaths.

by Anonymousreply 300May 3, 2020 1:31 PM

Next up: the Kentucky Derby. How about it, Mitch?

by Anonymousreply 301May 3, 2020 2:13 PM

Yes, R301. Yes! Kill the Kentuckians who have kept Moscow Mitch in office all these years. Wipe out every last one of them.

by Anonymousreply 302May 3, 2020 2:24 PM

On Fox, Dr. Birx rejects lowball White House death projections.

Wallace: "Just a few days ago, the White House was projecting 60,000 fatalities. And we're already up to 66,000."

Birx: "Our projections have always been between 100,000 and 240,000 ... and that's with full mitigation."

by Anonymousreply 303May 3, 2020 2:52 PM

What about me? I live in Live in Kentucky Honestly I only voted in the presidential elections. That has changed I will vote against next time I have a chance.

by Anonymousreply 304May 3, 2020 5:13 PM

The governor is a Democrat’s and having a true slow opening up. We will see what he does Derpy time.

by Anonymousreply 305May 3, 2020 5:14 PM

Dr. Birx said on Fox News Sunday that going to a salon or barber shop is not a good phase 1 activity even if both parties are wearing face masks.

She also said that protesters gathering without face masks in Michigan is “devastatingly worrisome.”

by Anonymousreply 306May 3, 2020 5:16 PM

Please proceed with NASCAR season...is it a season?

by Anonymousreply 307May 3, 2020 5:26 PM

Say it to Trump's public, on-TV face, Birxy.

I'll wait.

by Anonymousreply 308May 3, 2020 6:26 PM

[quote]Why do these people try to open up around the holidays?

Probably because they know dipshits will go out anyway for parties and holidays also bring in a lot of revenue.

[quote]We will see what he does Derpy time.

Not sure if this was a typo of Freudian slip, but it's amusing either way.

by Anonymousreply 309May 4, 2020 6:40 AM

Well, since only subscribers can post in the Coronavirus Freakout thread now (because, hey, getting subscribers is more important than consolidating information during a pandemic, right?)...

The updated IHME model is fucking terrifying. We are opening up way, way, way too soon but now we have the numbers to prove it. They've also adding the tracking of mobility to the charts. Just looking at two states, right next to each other, shows the difference in projected outcomes with the loosening of restrictions.

Indiana, opening all kinds of shit starting today, is now projected to have almost the identical number of deaths as Illinois. Problem for Indiana, they only have half the population of Illinois. Good going you stupid fucking Repugs. We shouldn't open even a little bit until June.

Basically, what their updated models are showing is a very prolonged plateau with a much slower taper at the end.

by Anonymousreply 310May 5, 2020 2:53 AM

R310 Terrifying at first, but the report is also reassuring because it validates that flattening the curve worked. A long plateau is the expected result of flattening the curve; the spread isn't stopped but it happens without spiking. Next we must follow the it with drastically expanded testing and contact tracing to surgically quarantine those who are exposed while everybody else goes about their business. Dr. Acton has been talking about that and hopefully it will happen since we are producing testing supplies locally.

by Anonymousreply 311May 5, 2020 3:21 AM

What are you saying 311 in order to stop the virus people have to die? How many options did it take to get to the worst case scenario ?

Why are we being lied to abut the tests? I thought the test was really hard to get. A few days ago a urgent care I went to texted me to be tested. I thought it was free the nurse was wishy washy about it but said yes. Today I got a negative result but I asked about the false negative. She said that’s true and I could be retested but she had to ask to make sure that the test was free. I will pay what the insurance doesn’t.

by Anonymousreply 312May 5, 2020 5:06 AM

R312 No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that shelter-in-place is only the first step and we need more testing to actually stop it. The better testing + contact tracing approach is what South Korea did and it was very successful with very few deaths. There's no sacrificing people in their method. The virus still spreads but expansive testing gives accurate information about who has it and contact tracing tells who needs to quarantine because of possible exposure.

by Anonymousreply 313May 5, 2020 5:26 AM

R313, the curve flattened but they added over 4000 more deaths to the Illinois projected total and over 5000 to the Indiana total. They had projected flattened curve numbers before now, too. These death numbers have skyrocketed and it's not just due to the flattening. It's due to the opening up of America, and other countries, before they are ready.

They added over 13000 to the UK saying they will top out at around 50000 dead. WTF?

by Anonymousreply 314May 5, 2020 7:55 AM

The PTB put in the fix in on how many or your little lives lost are acceptable.

by Anonymousreply 315May 5, 2020 9:52 AM

If you look at the data on excessive deaths compared year over year we are probably over 100K at this point. We probably won't know the actual numbers ever because R Govs with a few exceptions are not providing factual data.

by Anonymousreply 316May 5, 2020 11:55 AM

[quote] and contact tracing to surgically quarantine those who are exposed while everybody else goes about their business.

I still don’t see how this is possible.

On any given day, much less a week, you may stop at the supermarket, ride the bus or subway, stop at the gas station or a convenience store. There’s no way they can contact trace random people you’ve come in contact with.

by Anonymousreply 317May 5, 2020 1:04 PM

R317 They will use bluetooth signals on your phone, although I'm not sure when the app will get here. Apple and Google are both working on solutions but not sure if they are full-fledged apps or just tech for third party developers to use. Typically your phone will send out an anonymous identifier and collect the identifiers it sees, then when you get sick you press a button to send your list to someone who can look up the identifiers and contact the exposed individuals. The identifier rotates every once in a while to help with privacy.

by Anonymousreply 318May 5, 2020 1:13 PM

But, r318, that requires everyone to opt in, download the app, and notify them if and when they test positive.

I’m not sure that even I would download that app.

by Anonymousreply 319May 5, 2020 1:22 PM

R319 That's correct, I think some of the countries that did it universally had more autocratic governments but we can't mandate it so it's opt-in. It'll be an uphill battle for sure since the country is not 100% on the same page about taking this seriously. Hopefully the privacy concerns will be addressed enough to make people feel comfortable using it. It's actually quite tame relative to what's already out there—your full location data is being collected and sold to anyone who will pay for it in much more detail than this app would have.

by Anonymousreply 320May 5, 2020 1:50 PM

We can't even get people in the US to do the absolute minimum for public health. They refuse to social distance, wear masks, or wash their hands. No way in hell are Americans going to let their phones be tracked.

by Anonymousreply 321May 5, 2020 1:57 PM

Not that it matters, but these solutions shouldn't track your location or any details like that. It will still be hard to convince people. Nobody has started rolling contact tracing apps out in the US that I know of, so it'll be interesting to hear how they pitch them, especially against so many different reasons for not using them.

by Anonymousreply 322May 5, 2020 2:09 PM

As long as there is little to no testing, public officials cannot single out the infected for quarantining. President Fatso has .thoroughly mishandled testing and as a result, we are all quarantined. We are all quarantined because we are unable find the people who are infected and confine only them.

This entire national nightmare has been mishandled from its inception by Fatso. All of the adverse effects of it, financially, medically, emotionally, spiritually, are all amplified enormously by his utter failure as a man, a president, a leader. He is the best at one thing only; failure. No one else has ever failed this tragically and this completely. And we all pay for his manifest failure.

by Anonymousreply 323May 5, 2020 2:43 PM

True R323! Trump refuses to learn from his mistakes! He fucks-up, lies/obfuscates/blames others - then fucks-up again even worse! Most people learn from their mistakes (or at least the consequences), but he just doubles down and repeats the same mistakes again and again expecting a different outcome. smdh!

The Lincoln Project has a really good ad running now. Trump is flipping because it is an anti-Trump Republican ad.

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by Anonymousreply 324May 5, 2020 3:04 PM

I saw some action movie that showed two feds were in a helicopter killing innocent people laughing about it being collateral damage. Then their helicopter blows and THEY die. I hope that was happens to the PtB that say it’s okay for some to die.

by Anonymousreply 325May 5, 2020 9:13 PM

Luckily, Ohio is working on scaling up its own testing independent of the President and his incompetence (latest move according to NYT: the coronavirus task force is being wound down, no replacement announced yet).

by Anonymousreply 326May 5, 2020 9:37 PM

We don't know. Maybe something bad. Maybe something good.

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by Anonymousreply 327May 5, 2020 9:41 PM

Acton praised for her leadership.

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by Anonymousreply 328May 5, 2020 11:10 PM

R324, Don't assume that hundreds of thousands of dead Americans is a "mistake."

R323, Don't assume that Trump sees these dead as a "failure."

Get it, now?

by Anonymousreply 329May 6, 2020 11:25 AM

I’m with r329 100%, but I think the conservatives really are happy with the virus “benefit” that has cleared many elderly off the Social security rosters and Has also purged many from Medicare/disability payments. Pure evil.

by Anonymousreply 330May 6, 2020 11:48 AM

If that's the their goal, R330, then the numbers achieved so far are paltry. And the numbers forecast are not so big they would bring any notable change to those huge social programs.

by Anonymousreply 331May 6, 2020 11:50 AM

Trump is placing all of his eggs into the economy basket. He has bragged about it and has built his deceit around it. Why do you think he is behind re-opening all of the states before it is safe? Also, he needs to go golfing and hold his hate rallies in order to replenish his surplus of ego; reports about him have not been favorable ( disinfectant being the crowning blow). Expect his followers to demand he hold huge rallies and him to " capitulate." It's all part of the " Mission Accomplished." The man cannot focus on anything except himself. Instead of putting the entire weight of his administration on treatment and a cure, he has chosen to focus on money and blame. Things are going to get worse, as he gets more and more unhinged. Look to him to declare victory at the end of May, disband the task force, and spend all of his time attacking Biden and Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 332May 6, 2020 12:38 PM

[quote]the conservatives really are happy with the virus “benefit” that has cleared many elderly off the Social security rosters and Has also purged many from Medicare/disability payments. Pure evil.

They forgot that many of the oldsters they're killing off are their voters, though.

by Anonymousreply 333May 6, 2020 9:26 PM

CNN's Barbara Starr reports that the DOD is considering banning new recruits from joining the military if they were hospitalized for COVID-19 because there's little understanding of the long-term effects of the virus & those potential recruits may need further medical assessments.

by Anonymousreply 334May 6, 2020 11:17 PM

Remember, the Repugs also like the fact that is disproportionately kills black and brown people. I'm sure they've done the math that enough of the old people getting killed are black or brown as opposed to their old white voters. They are willing to sacrifice those for their greater good of killing minority voters.

by Anonymousreply 335May 7, 2020 12:18 AM

R333, With Russia on one's side, who needs voters?

Moreover, that a large percentage of victims are Blacks, well, hold the ballot and pass the borscht and vodka.

by Anonymousreply 336May 7, 2020 1:50 AM

Posting simultaneously with r335!

by Anonymousreply 337May 7, 2020 1:51 AM

Where is Ohio's contact tracing program? Wasn't that supposed to be a requirement for opening up? Dewine spent all day yesterday talking about the budget cuts, and nothing at all today. I guess it's every man for himself from here on out.

by Anonymousreply 338May 7, 2020 5:44 AM

Looks like the complete fucktard wing of the Repug party finally got to Dewine.

by Anonymousreply 339May 7, 2020 7:30 AM

[quote] Where is Ohio's contact tracing program?

Our what what? We barely even have a testing program.

by Anonymousreply 340May 7, 2020 8:05 AM

Here you go. I had a followup visit to see the surgeon who replaced my shoulder. In the meantime, I called for help because my legs had become frozen (very low sodium and possible stroke as culprits). I've been admitted as Inpatient the whole time, but my company has been calling me or E-mailing me every day for proof. I've told them the life squad didn't pick up my (non-existent) printer or fax machine when they frog-marched to the ambulance (to their credit, they were very patient and kind,and one of the guys yelled out, "You have a beautiful home, Sir!!"

I've been tested, don't have Corona, and my doctors and nurses have all been wonderful. But I see me fighting with my company for every benefit, before I retire (which was already being mapped out).

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by Anonymousreply 341May 7, 2020 8:55 AM

The virus disproportionately kills old men, of whatever background. That should worry the Republicans more than it appears to.

by Anonymousreply 342May 7, 2020 9:10 AM

Russia means never having to worry again...

by Anonymousreply 343May 7, 2020 9:57 AM

McConnell must be at least a little worried about the election outcome in November, he's trying to push through as many rightwing judges as he can as quickly as he can, I would assume because he thinks he may not be able to by early next year.

by Anonymousreply 344May 7, 2020 10:39 AM

[QUOTE] Get it, now?

Fuck off False Flag loon

by Anonymousreply 345May 7, 2020 12:55 PM

R344, he's been doing that for three years.

by Anonymousreply 346May 7, 2020 9:43 PM

Testing 123

by Anonymousreply 347May 8, 2020 12:11 AM

I just got a text and my job will be reopening soon.

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHJHHHHH !!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 348May 8, 2020 12:12 AM

RIP, R348.

Leave us your stuff, please.

by Anonymousreply 349May 8, 2020 12:36 PM

The latest DeWine briefing gave a fairly quick, dare I say aggressive, reopening strategy. So much for "do a little bit, wait for the results before doing more". I have lost my sense of security that my state is being managed responsibly. For a second there, I let myself forget I'm in a Republican-run state.

by Anonymousreply 350May 8, 2020 12:47 PM

Ugh my niece goes to college in ohio , administration at her small college has been floating a don’t start on site before Thanksgiving option, this opening early DeWine stunt will push it to January I suspect

by Anonymousreply 351May 8, 2020 2:59 PM

R345, So you're another one too stupid to include the number of the post you're quoting. Well, it's I, r329.

And if you think that Kushner's hoarding and FEMA's literal hijacking of PPEs purchased by states;

that Trump's refusal to use the power of the Presidency and the DPA to manufacture needed medical equipment;

that Pompeo's sending to China in February tons of of the PPEs in the stockpile left by Obama---whom Trump has been, without refutation, accusing of leaving him "empty shelves;"

that Trump's aborted attempt to end his own pandemic crisis team as he dismantled Obama's;

that Trump's complete indifference to the suffering, the dead, and their survivors;

that Trump has declared, in the face of governors and even individual medical professionals, that the US has such a surplus of PPEs that we will be sending some to Russia;

that FEMA has ordered 100K body bags;

that Trump, tested daily, has refused to provide and promote testing for millions, never mind hundreds of millions, if Americans because "You can get tested one day and be infected the next";

that even as reality demonstrates his recalcitrance and obdurateness, Trump lies about how he's supplying "millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions" of masks, ventilators and tests, and that "anyone who wants a test can get one";

that he and his VP refuse to wear masks:

that Trump calls assault-weapon-bearing thugs on State capitol steps "very good people" who simply want to "liberate" their states from the restrictions of governors who "went too far";

that Trump has expressed his wish that Covid-19 would "wash over the country";

that Trump wants public schools to open because "young people come through it well," thereby acknowledging that it's okay with him if children get infected, because no biggie;

if you think that all of the above is mere what? Incompetence on the grandest scale ever? The Peter Principle writ gargantuan?

If you believe that, and that I am a "False flag" "loon" for deducing and ascribing purposeful actions to Trump and Kushner;

Who's being naive, Kay?

by Anonymousreply 352May 8, 2020 4:40 PM

When dealing with Trump, Republicans, the GOP, or conservatives I always use the back-side of Hanlon's razor. I never ascribe to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.

by Anonymousreply 353May 8, 2020 4:59 PM

[quote]if you think that all of the above is mere what? Incompetence on the grandest scale ever?

If there were ever an administration to which this explanation could reasonably apply, it's the Trump regime.

by Anonymousreply 354May 8, 2020 5:04 PM

Is Hanlon's Razor similar to Occam's?

by Anonymousreply 355May 8, 2020 5:12 PM

Girls! Girls! One does not have to choose only of these characteristics. The people in Trump's administration are by their nature malicious and they have been placed in positions of responsibility for which they are incompetent.

by Anonymousreply 356May 8, 2020 5:14 PM

R355, Hanlon's Razor states "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." When it comes to Republicans I think the opposite applies.

by Anonymousreply 357May 8, 2020 5:15 PM

I'm pretty bummed about this. As much of a relief as it is to be able to be closer to my normal routine, I was a supporter of DeWine's early caution. He has gone on and on about how we can reopen if we have testing & contact tracing, but today we have neither and he is still reopening. It feels like he's caving to all sorts of pressure—Trump, right-wing protestors, large businesses afraid of their workers gaining leverage, unemployment offices not knowing how to handle the surge. I truly hope that his positive early steps are not overshadowed by a second wave of the virus.

by Anonymousreply 358May 9, 2020 4:57 AM

I agree R358, DeWine's been strong but now he seems to be caving. Didn't he have a call with Trump recently about Trump coming here soon? And since then DeWine has been wilting in his resolve on COVID-19 restrictions.

by Anonymousreply 359May 9, 2020 5:14 AM

R352 with an update.

Purposeful or incompetent? Let's guess.

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by Anonymousreply 360May 9, 2020 4:07 PM

I hated...HATED...DeWine previous to this. But even I had to admit he was handling this well, especially when you consider his constituency. I was actually warming up to him.

Well, now he’s back to being another Republican asshat, goosestepping along with the rest of 'em in accordance to the wishes of their Orange Fuhrer.

by Anonymousreply 361May 9, 2020 4:15 PM

I hated DeWine and all the other GOP bastards for what they've done to Ohio and the country. I didn't change my mind just because DeWine showed a minimal shred of competence.

by Anonymousreply 362May 9, 2020 4:24 PM

The Honda factories near Columbus (and in super MAGA loving red counties) are opening up again on Monday. I hate to say it because my husband works there, but they are the exact demographic Covid is feeding on: older, overweight, "you can't tell me what to do! I have rights", mostly men, etc. It's going to get ugly. When this is over (and if we're still alive) we're retiring to Asheville (NC).

by Anonymousreply 363May 9, 2020 4:34 PM

And what's even worse, R363, is that unless they have done some extraordinary retooling on those assembly lines, we're going to see the same thing happen there that has been happening in meat-packing plants. The workers there are close together and they lack proper protective gear and training.

by Anonymousreply 364May 9, 2020 4:46 PM

The other very important aspect of the mask is it prevents one from touching their face before they have a chance to wash their hands.

by Anonymousreply 365May 9, 2020 4:50 PM

That's one, r365; the other is that it's not so much to protect yourself; it's to protect others from you. That's what so many of Trump supporters simply do not get. I choose to wear a mask because I know I can transmit the virus even if I'm feeling fine.

by Anonymousreply 366May 9, 2020 5:12 PM

[quote]That's what so many of Trump supporters simply do not get.

That's what so many Trump supporters simply don't care about.

by Anonymousreply 367May 9, 2020 5:14 PM

I certainly can't argue with that, R367. I was referring mostly to the interviews with the typical MAGAdroid about how they're "warriors" and how they aren't going to let a little virus get in their way. They're manly men, so bring it on.

by Anonymousreply 368May 9, 2020 5:19 PM

R365, I actually see people touching their faces much more frequently with the mask. It either slips down below the nose or because it’s such an unusual thing on their face, they subconsciously adjust it constantly.

by Anonymousreply 369May 9, 2020 5:46 PM

Yes, r369, I do, too. However, they are not touching oral or nasal mucosa.

by Anonymousreply 370May 10, 2020 4:19 AM

Ohio's numbers are soaring, but they're still in the process of a gradual reopening. DeWine is as homicidal as all the other repukes.

by Anonymousreply 371May 10, 2020 4:41 AM

So, cases are still going up. Dr. Acton says they are rising slightly but at a 1:1 ratio (not sure what they're being compared to) which she implies is a positive sign. DeWine is apologetic that testing rates are so much lower than he promised and says he's still working on it. Meanwhile, nobody seems to care about social distancing anymore where I am.

by Anonymousreply 372May 27, 2020 5:18 AM

I swear Dewine will not stop bragging about that "great deal" he made with the reagent. It's been two damn months and you've done nothing else! We are in the bottom 10 states for testing, so forget about contact tracing. Told my village police chief I was going to report him to the county board of health. He just laughed and said go ahead; no one is wearing masks and they can't keep up anyway.

by Anonymousreply 373May 27, 2020 6:18 AM

That's happening everywhere in the US. Trump people wear the no mask wearing as a badge of honor and support for him. You live in Trump country. The Dem parts of the state are wearing masks and social distancing.

by Anonymousreply 374May 27, 2020 12:08 PM

r374 I'm glad that some parts of the state are heeding the warning, at least. I've got to work on getting out of here before these idiot Trumpsters actually kill me.

by Anonymousreply 375May 27, 2020 12:26 PM

[quote] Dr. Acton says they are rising slightly but at a 1:1 ratio (not sure what they're being compared to) which she implies is a positive sign.

I think this means for every person infected, they statistically infect one other person, which is in theory controllable. When it goes beyond 1:1 to say, 1:1.2 is what’s considered an “outbreak.”

by Anonymousreply 376May 27, 2020 1:20 PM

I'm quitting my job anyway, so fuck them up the ass.

by Anonymousreply 377June 16, 2020 3:07 PM

"We are in the bottom 10 states for testing, so forget about contact tracing. "

Anyone can get tested now.

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