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K-pop

It's actually pretty fun. I'm getting into it. Lots of gay baiting.

Give it a try.

"Um, OP, I'm not a 12-year-old girl." OK, Boomer.

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by Anonymousreply 271Last Monday at 9:26 AM

A lighter, super catchy song.

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by Anonymousreply 103/05/2020

It’s music for children.

by Anonymousreply 203/05/2020

I use it for cardio often. Spotify.

by Anonymousreply 303/05/2020

Japanese pop is better.

by Anonymousreply 403/05/2020

I enjoy the gay "skinship" (touching, etc.) the idols always engage in for fan service.

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by Anonymousreply 503/05/2020

They look hot but I'm still waiting for J-pop to make a comeback :(

by Anonymousreply 603/05/2020

R1, those guys look waaay better than the fugs in BTS.

by Anonymousreply 703/05/2020

I love how K-pop groups promote on reality and variety shows, and have lots of YouTube and live streaming (V LIVE app) content. It's fun and immersive.

This was a good one. They do anal swabs in this first episode in the course of getting a food handling business license.

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by Anonymousreply 803/05/2020

Captions in English are available.

by Anonymousreply 903/05/2020

The choreography is incredibly difficult.

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by Anonymousreply 1003/05/2020

Trash loves trash

by Anonymousreply 1103/05/2020

R11, it's not trash. It's fun.

by Anonymousreply 1203/05/2020

R4, any suggestions?

by Anonymousreply 1303/06/2020

It's adorable and crazy catchy. Thanks op.

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by Anonymousreply 1403/07/2020

I don't think any of them will reach the level of Psy.

by Anonymousreply 1503/08/2020

Psy is the real thing. KPop is manufactured boy band stuff. Or girl band. If you liked Menudo or Backstreet Boys it’s for you

by Anonymousreply 1603/08/2020

So cute - The Boyz

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by Anonymousreply 1703/20/2020

Going through my Shazam list. I heard this in Vegas and it turns out it’s K-pop. Pretty catchy and cute. Amazing choreography.

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by Anonymousreply 1804/30/2020

Sorry meant to post this link. It’s damn cute and a nice escape.

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by Anonymousreply 1904/30/2020

Conveyor belt shit for kids with underdeveloped tastes.

by Anonymousreply 2004/30/2020

I never understood criticizing ANY type of music.

If you don’t like it, fine, but does that mean what you like is automatically “better”? R20 says it’s conveyor belt shit for kids with underdeveloped tastes. So what does one who enjoys this music have to leave it for that wouldn’t be conveyor belt? And what makes it better than just for kids?

And how does one get to the place where his tastes are developed instead of underdeveloped? Do I have to check with R20 and ask him if I pass the test? It’s just fucking ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 2104/30/2020

R20, actually give it a listen if possible.

Also, it’s more than the music: it’s very immersive with multiplatform content and engagement (TV and YouTube reality shows, live-streams on VLIVE, variety shows, music shows (think American Bandstand), merchandising including albums with photobooks and lightsticks, fan forums, etc.). You really get to know thoroughly the material surface of their lives: where they live (their dorms), schedules, possessions, consumption habits including travel.

It’s can be a fun distraction.

by Anonymousreply 2204/30/2020

There are six “American Bandstand”-type shows.

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by Anonymousreply 2304/30/2020

This article has an overview of the impressive multiplatform immersion, including interactive elements (as in the live-streams).

[quote] K-pop artists offer more content than albums and music videos. Online concerts, reality shows, livestreams and more have all been produced for fans to watch voraciously. This seemingly endless content is even more appealing in the time of COVID-19, so I have compiled a list of some K-pop activities you can try to forget about the outside world.

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by Anonymousreply 2404/30/2020

The group at OP last night on a competition show. Very impressive.

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by Anonymousreply 2504/30/2020

The most soulless music ever

by Anonymousreply 2604/30/2020

I don't think I'm drawn to any music that appeals to people because it's "cute". K-pop and J-pop strike me as soulless products cynically aimed at the female teen market - hence, all the shipping and sexless gay-baiting.

by Anonymousreply 2704/30/2020

Way too Hello Kitty for me.

by Anonymousreply 2804/30/2020

This is arguably the most significant piece in the last decade. Allusions include those to Ursula Le Guin, the Sewol ferry disaster, Snowpiercer.

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by Anonymousreply 2904/30/2020

R26, do you have a degree in soul? Please tell us what the minimum level of soul is so that we can avoid soulless music.

Shouldn’t be difficult if you’re an expert in soul.

by Anonymousreply 3004/30/2020

One of the huge K-Pop stars is a young guy named Si-wan Im, he was in a boyband called ZE:A Five. He's moved into acting and I just did a movie he's the star of. He's a lovely guy and I think the film might get released here and could get some notice. It's about the 1947 Boston Marathon and is a Rocky/Cinderella type story. What's not to like!?

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by Anonymousreply 3104/30/2020

[R30] Yeah I have a degree in soul. Music inspired, written, produced and sang by talented songwriters, artiste and singers instead of plastic soulless sugary pop drivel churned out by mega corporations sang by plastic soulless puppets who end up suiciding.

by Anonymousreply 3204/30/2020

R32, I think, has a chip on his shoulder about certain things.

R18/R19 - Soobin!

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by Anonymousreply 3305/01/2020

R32, why do you include Motown artists in your list? It's no different from K-pop companies.

by Anonymousreply 3405/01/2020

[R33] Gurl please, you must either be a tween girl who gets moist by watching these sexless twinks or a rice queen pedo with an Asian ladyboy fetish.

Gurl, I ain't got time to school you in good quality music. Use Pandora, Spotify etc to improve upon your shitty taste in music

by Anonymousreply 3505/01/2020

R34 Gurl there is a difference. Motown was an African American record label which revolutionized and had a huge impact on popular music whilst Kpop is just garbage produced by three mega companies in South Korea.

They are just a plastic copy of African American contemporary music like Michael Jackson , Chris Brown, hiphop

by Anonymousreply 3605/01/2020

So awful.

by Anonymousreply 3705/01/2020

Bless your heart, OP.

At least it's not Cardi B.

by Anonymousreply 3805/01/2020

[quote] Motown was an African American record label which revolutionized and had a huge impact on popular music

Someone doesn't know his/her music history! Yeah, don't believe sepia-toned biopics staring Denzel et al. Motown's huge impact was setting up a factory system, akin to Tin Pan Alley, but for African-American artists. The singers didn't write the music: in-house writers did (K-pop uses writers from all over, including those Swedes). The singers were scouted talent that the company plugged into its system to churn out groups and polished soloists, their images completely calculated and contrived.

Cf. Motown, Tin Pan Alley was revolutionary, in that it created an efficient system for synthesizing music. It was as revolutionary and artificial as Nutrasweet was for Coke. K-pop adds amazing visuals and choreography. Motown was just Pepsi with Splenda (another variety of pop music with a souped-up version of Tin Pan Alley's system plugged-in).

[quote] The black pioneers of rock-and-roll were not giving America unfettered race testimony or self-expression. They were giving America calculated entertainment in bright racial Technicolor. Rock-and-roll was show business. To secure a mass audience it had to appeal to young blacks across class lines: be funky but suave too; primal, then languid, then ironic. And it had to lure young whites across both class lines and the great racial divide: it had to be exotic enough to thrill them but familiar enough to make them feel at home.

[quote] No one managed this feat with more efficiency or more panache than Berry Gordy. He started Motown Records in Detroit in 1959, called it Hitsville and went on to generate an unbroken string of hit records, beginning in the early 1960's and extending into the early 70's, a decade when the youth culture was in flower.

[quote] Some black performers like Ike and Tina Turner and Etta James played rhythm-and-blues rock, with its aura of back roads and mean streets and rough sex. Others like Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, Aretha Franklin and Curtis Mayfield played soul-rock, with its melodrama (I yearn, I burn, I cajole, I tease, I strut, I conquer, I beg, I weep, I curse) and its love of Latin-tinged beats and gospel phrasings. Motown groups like the Supremes, the Temptations and the Miracles drew on these styles. But they drew on the pop song conventions of Tin Pan Alley: streamlined emotions, stories told in crisp rhythms, clean patches of melody and neatly resolved rhymes and images.

[quote] ... Oh, please, Mr. Gordy, you want to say. You were the founder and ruler of Motown: you oversaw the invention of an American sound and style, you made millions of dollars doing it, you made and unmade careers as you saw fit. In your way you were as important as that other assembly-line autocrat from Detroit, Henry Ford. You have been revered, obeyed and imitated. Must you insist on being loved as well?

[quote] ... Ziegfeld proclaimed his follies a national institution dedicated to "glorifying the American girl." With equal canniness and equal grandiosity, Mr. Gordy called Motown "the sound of young America." He got it by standardizing the style of the American Negro Teen and colorizing the style of the American All-White Teen. And while it lasted, that sound was glorious fun.

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by Anonymousreply 3905/01/2020

[quote] They are just a plastic copy of African American contemporary music like Michael Jackson , Chris Brown, hiphop

And that's not plastic? Please. How naive.

by Anonymousreply 4005/01/2020

R40 OK you can go back to sucking their egg roll dick rice queen

by Anonymousreply 4105/01/2020

Ok wokester

by Anonymousreply 4205/01/2020

BBC documentary. It was nice.

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by Anonymousreply 4305/01/2020

Gay club scandal - 4 stars.

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by Anonymousreply 4405/19/2020

K-popers are the most annoying stans you'll find. Kpop is irritating. Jpop is way more sophisticated even in terms of music.

by Anonymousreply 4505/19/2020

I like the combination of the music, dancing, image concepts, and music videos. The dancing among the boys in particular is excellent. That said, I do love this one from the girl group Twice.

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by Anonymousreply 4605/19/2020

Does Bi Rain still perform?

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by Anonymousreply 4705/20/2020

Yet South Korea is still really homophobic.

There's nothing progressive in this music.

by Anonymousreply 4805/20/2020

[quote] There's nothing progressive in this music.

WTF...?

by Anonymousreply 4905/20/2020

[quote] OK, Boomer.

I'm neither a 12 year old nor a boomer, cunt

by Anonymousreply 5005/20/2020

Um, OP, Im not a 12 yrs old girl.

by Anonymousreply 5105/20/2020

Um, OP, Im not a 12 yrs old girl.

by Anonymousreply 5205/20/2020

OP, I'm not a 12 year old girl

by Anonymousreply 5305/20/2020

I made fun of this manufactured pop too, then I started watching in lockdown. I am a fucking fan now, the songs are catchy and there are some hot guy dancers. Watch EXO before you condemn it all.

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by Anonymousreply 5405/20/2020

Reading comprehension, R50-R53.

by Anonymousreply 5505/20/2020

For R54

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by Anonymousreply 5605/20/2020

I'm not a Boomer, or a 12-year-old girl.

by Anonymousreply 5705/20/2020

Reading comprehension is important. So many morons don’t know how to parse language. 😂

by Anonymousreply 5805/20/2020

Pedo thread.

by Anonymousreply 5905/20/2020

For the life of me, I will never understand teenage girls who have crushes on these Kpop bands who look like girls. There is nothing masculine about their appearance. It's like they are emasculated.

by Anonymousreply 6005/20/2020

Soobin loves you.

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by Anonymousreply 6105/20/2020

seizure inducing

by Anonymousreply 6205/20/2020

R60, part of it may be neoteny.

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by Anonymousreply 6305/20/2020

R60.

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by Anonymousreply 6405/20/2020

Kai will fuck the faces of all the haters

by Anonymousreply 6505/20/2020

^^^ Mr. Kai

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by Anonymousreply 6605/20/2020

This is what the high-IQ countries are listening to.

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by Anonymousreply 6705/20/2020

R67 is third generation. This is 4th, the current emerging generation.

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by Anonymousreply 6805/20/2020

For the Kai fan.

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by Anonymousreply 6905/21/2020

These fan-made stage mixes are so cool. What program do they use?

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by Anonymousreply 7005/21/2020

I need to find more 20-something groups, the teen dancers are too pedoriffic. Looking at you, BTS.

by Anonymousreply 7105/21/2020

Baekho from Nuest is my favorite Kpop guy

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by Anonymousreply 7205/21/2020

R72 🤩 hes HOT

by Anonymousreply 7305/21/2020

Check our the Big Tiddie Committee. Baekho is a member.

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by Anonymousreply 7405/21/2020

Why are there always like 20 guys in each k-pop group?

by Anonymousreply 7505/21/2020

Here’s a selection of male idols.

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by Anonymousreply 7605/21/2020

R75, it’s more like 5 to 10. It casts a wider net: the more members, the more likely a prospective fan will find one whom they really like.

by Anonymousreply 7705/21/2020

That fan clip - that could not have been easy - unless each show they were on used the same camera angles for everything. the transitions are almost perfect.

by Anonymousreply 7805/21/2020

R71, perhaps Monsta X.

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by Anonymousreply 7905/21/2020

Nothing can make them interesting.

by Anonymousreply 8005/21/2020

I really like the survival shows. 100 girls/boys whittled down to create a new group. The opening numbers are great. The stage design is amazing.

This has all the opening numbers from Produce Korea, Japan, and China.

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by Anonymousreply 8105/21/2020

They're so beautifully androgynous.

You know they all have smooth hairless bodies with the exception of their wiry pubes and squeaky clean buttholes!

by Anonymousreply 8205/21/2020

R82, pretty sure they're lasering a lot more down there now. I love that they're genetically incapable of having conventional BO (cf. eating too much picked stuff).

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by Anonymousreply 8305/22/2020

Vox: A beginner’s guide to K-pop

Why you should be listening — and watching and dancing — to the vast, immersive landscape of Korean pop music.

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by Anonymousreply 8405/22/2020

I guess most Americans don't give a fuck about Kpop and this thread proves it. What? 84 replies in 5 weeks

by Anonymousreply 8505/22/2020

The latest big deal competition show, Road to Kingdom. Pretty spectacular.

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by Anonymousreply 8605/22/2020

[quote]I never understood criticizing ANY type of music.

It's not music. The auditory equivalent of a pop tart.

by Anonymousreply 8705/22/2020

R87, that’s all pop music. There’s more to it than the audio, actually. The dancing is often amazing, as are the visual aspects, including the videos and performances.

by Anonymousreply 8805/22/2020

MTE, r2.

K-Pop and a lot of South Korean entertainment in general these days, is very Ottoman.

by Anonymousreply 8905/22/2020

Can you be any more opaque, R89.

by Anonymousreply 9005/22/2020

[quote] Also, it’s more than the music: it’s very immersive with multiplatform content and engagement (TV and YouTube reality shows, live-streams on VLIVE, variety shows, music shows (think American Bandstand), merchandising including albums with photobooks and lightsticks, fan forums, etc.). You really get to know thoroughly the material surface of their lives: where they live (their dorms), schedules, possessions, consumption habits including travel.

Reminds of *NSYNC fandom, only 100 times more creepy & intrusive. No wonder these poor little dancing dolls all top themselves or end up lobotomised.

by Anonymousreply 9105/22/2020

OP, you’re basic and that’s ok. However many of us here are typically SUBculturally gay, meaning we demand a certain degree of gritty emotion, messy bloody theatrics, high-camp and conceptual costumery in our pop - more than drone-like immaculate trendy Asian chart-toppers can provide.

Visual-Kei was and is an Asian musical style designed by and for the outsiders in LGB. Musically, a loose equivalent to Western Goth-rock stirred with elements of gay-club Industrial, Neoclassical & operatic Metal; visually, Baroque in a glam-punk style.

If one is unmoved by Malice Mizer’a ‘Le Ciel’, one must question whether one is in fact actually gay.

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by Anonymousreply 9205/22/2020

R46 I SECOND TWIIIIIIICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 9305/22/2020

New Blackpink album in June. Gaga has a song with them I think.

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by Anonymousreply 9405/22/2020

Cuties. The good song starts at 1:00.

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by Anonymousreply 9505/22/2020

Cuties?? They look under 12. Is this a pedo thread?

by Anonymousreply 9605/23/2020

R96, East Asians age differently: R63, R64. They’re adults in their early 20s.

That said, calling even those underage “cute” is by default innocent. Calling someone underage “hot” isn’t.

by Anonymousreply 9705/23/2020

Dyed hair, plastic surgery, makeup and robo-pop. Fascinating (and not in a good way).

by Anonymousreply 9805/23/2020

I like the black masks they always wear. I’m ordering some on eBay from Korea.

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by Anonymousreply 9905/23/2020

Gave it a chance for a couple of years in College, but then Jonghyun & Sulli both killed themselves in quick succession and the whole thing felt distasteful. I don’t feel I’m missing much as I’ve always been more comfortable listening to genres of music composed and performed by adults for adults, and with a view to longevity - in particular metal & folk - over pop.

It is still enjoyable to watch Victoria Song dance, I will admit. She’s Chinese and in her 30s, though, so is she cancelled?

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by Anonymousreply 10005/25/2020

OP is either a pedo or a tween. Most of the posts on this thread are from it. "Thanks OP" is from OP.

Kpop is a crappy music for little girls or pervs.

by Anonymousreply 10105/25/2020

I was suppose to go to the BTS show on Wednesday but Corona had to fuck that up.

by Anonymousreply 10205/25/2020

What's not to like? A bunch of good looking kids with catchy tunes, great style and perfect skin.

Also their music videos are far better than the lame shit american musicians come up with.

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by Anonymousreply 10305/25/2020

[quote] better than the lame shit american musicians come up with.

R103...does know that much of the music, production and presentation for these groups is handled by American & European writers/producers/designers, right?

If you were wondering what happened to all those people working in the resurgent years of commercial Western pop & hiphop in the 2000s (all that rubbish you saw constantly on MTV-TRL), well, now you know. In Art you often must go where the commissions are, regrettably.

by Anonymousreply 10405/25/2020

[quote] better than the lame shit american musicians come up with.

R103...does know that much of the music, production and presentation for these groups is handled by American & European writers/producers/designers, right?

If you were wondering what happened to all those people working in the resurgent years of commercial Western pop & hiphop in the 2000s (all that rubbish you saw constantly on MTV-TRL), well, now you know. In Art you often must go where the commissions are, regrettably.

by Anonymousreply 10505/25/2020

Road to Kingdom’s been pretty fun. New episode on Thursday.

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by Anonymousreply 10605/25/2020

The South Korean music industry might commission American/European directors/producers/photographers to make their music videos. But I am pretty sure the South Koreans have a saying as to how the music videos should look. American musicians tend to make videos where you see half naked women twerk to some lame shit.

by Anonymousreply 10705/25/2020

R100 Wing's version of Dancing Queen is way better

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by Anonymousreply 10805/25/2020

Twinky pixie music.

NO THANKS.

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by Anonymousreply 10905/25/2020

All K-Pop boy bands sound like Usher reading an Asian restaurant menu to synthesized beats.

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by Anonymousreply 11105/25/2020

I'm kinda getting into BLACKPINK. I can hear influences of Katy Perry, Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, with the rap parts sounding a bit like Cardi B, Iggy Azalea and Niki Minaj.

Lady Gaga's Chromatica has a track with Blackpink. It would be interesting to hear.

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by Anonymousreply 11205/26/2020

Queens of Kpop Girls Generation bitch!

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by Anonymousreply 11305/26/2020

Where are they manufactured?

by Anonymousreply 11405/26/2020

I like Asian men, heck I married one, but these look like little boys trying to be little girls. Music and dancing are really good but to childlike for my taste.

by Anonymousreply 11505/26/2020

They're homo-social (friends only with the same sex), and affection is OK. I like that.

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by Anonymousreply 11605/26/2020

I think of KPop like musicals. There’s a lot of junk but the best ones shine. Everything’s scripted and melodramatic, with great dancing and catchy songs. You just have to find the right group for you.

by Anonymousreply 11705/26/2020

Subtitles. So sweet.

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by Anonymousreply 11805/26/2020

Just one more.

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by Anonymousreply 11905/26/2020

Burn the manufacturer.

by Anonymousreply 12005/27/2020

Bunch of homophobes. J-Pop is better.

by Anonymousreply 12105/27/2020

I’m not sure if the Blackpink-Gaga song is good.

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by Anonymousreply 12306/03/2020

Very nice.

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by Anonymousreply 12406/03/2020

I was unimpressed until R72. I could be persuaded to check this one out.

by Anonymousreply 12506/03/2020

Nakey

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by Anonymousreply 12606/03/2020

NYC DLers, is this actually NYC?

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by Anonymousreply 12706/05/2020

My only interest involves the fact that their fanbase did something good when asshole white trash tried to make "#Whitelivesmatter" trend. Those K-pop fanatics took that bitch over and flooded Twitter; it was beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 12806/05/2020

Any K -Pop fan knows BTS as the kings of the genre. One member named Suga just released a mixtape, under his alter ego Agust-D, that's trending on Youtube with over 70 million views in less than a week. It's a badass rap/hip hop fusion and Suga has swagger and flow. If he an CL teamed up, my head would explode.

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by Anonymousreply 12906/05/2020

The stans are a formidable force.

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by Anonymousreply 13006/05/2020

This year’s top girl group song (so far).

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by Anonymousreply 13106/09/2020

Japanese Millennial twinks really ran so Korean Zoomer twinks could fly.

J-Pop was more melodic, casual and human than most K-Pop. The difference is similar to that between British & American pop.

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by Anonymousreply 13206/15/2020

I'm thinking R48 is right.

Any openly gay ones, if not, thank u next.

by Anonymousreply 13306/15/2020

Why does Suga look like a teenage girl in R129's pic?

by Anonymousreply 13406/15/2020

R133 Holland is openly gay.

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by Anonymousreply 13506/15/2020

My favorite KPOP video at the moment. That Jinyoung is a cutie.

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by Anonymousreply 13606/16/2020

Does anyone here know to watch that BTS Bang Bang Con concert? I guess it went live last night, but will it be available to watch anywhere now?

by Anonymousreply 13706/16/2020

They have some psychotic fans. I wish them nothing but the worst.

by Anonymousreply 13806/16/2020

I agree with the BTS fandom. Not worth getting into the group.

by Anonymousreply 13906/16/2020

I love the sensual idol who did that homoerotic theatrical dance concert about the dramatic fifteen-minute song about a lord samurai beauty dying to defend his liege Lord.

Oh no, wait, that was actually Kame-chan. Twelve years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 14006/16/2020

R136, here’s a cover of a GOT7 song. It’s cute. They’re friends from performance school, all pretty famous for the “ ‘00 line”.

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by Anonymousreply 14106/16/2020

Hyunjae is my bias right now. So cute.

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by Anonymousreply 14206/16/2020

More Hyunjae.

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by Anonymousreply 14306/16/2020

Weren't these guys universally fug-looking before going through surgery?

by Anonymousreply 14406/16/2020

From Road to Kingdom last week. So good.

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by Anonymousreply 14506/16/2020

We have nothing like this. Amazing.

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by Anonymousreply 14606/16/2020

Soobin

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by Anonymousreply 14706/16/2020

Brilliant

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by Anonymousreply 14806/20/2020

[quote]You really get to know thoroughly the material surface of their lives: where they live (their dorms), schedules, possessions, consumption habits including travel.

Why would I want to know this? Seek help, please.

by Anonymousreply 14906/21/2020

R149 is ignorant and limited.

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by Anonymousreply 15006/21/2020

They're a force now.

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by Anonymousreply 15106/22/2020

BTS just dropped their new MV for 'Stay Gold'. These guys are super cute. I'd like to know more about their skincare routine.

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by Anonymousreply 15206/26/2020

Some pretty boys. Alas, they go for the androgynous look which does not interest me. Music is ok but all seem the same to me regardless of group or boy "singing".

With the kind of heavy dance routine, none of the boys or girls seem out of breath when singing which tells me most if not all are lipsyncing.

by Anonymousreply 15306/28/2020

.......

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by Anonymousreply 15406/28/2020

R153, everyone knows that they're usually lipsyncing. It's a thing. The dances are too intense for them to sing as well.

by Anonymousreply 15506/28/2020

New from TXT. Soobin cries. Enormous budget. #2 trending.

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by Anonymousreply 15606/28/2020

The survival show I-LAND from Big Hit and CJ E&M just started. Crazy building.

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by Anonymousreply 15706/28/2020

Look who's butthurt lol.

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by Anonymousreply 15806/28/2020

"Spring Day" brings so much comfort and hope. I listen when I'm sad, like so many others.

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by Anonymousreply 15906/29/2020

INFP Jungkook singing "Euphoria" at Wembley.

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by Anonymousreply 16006/29/2020

THIS is how the West covers K-pop.

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by Anonymousreply 16107/20/2020

R132 *dreamy sigh* I could watch Tak-kun dance all day. I miss 2010.

Wait, what were we talking about?

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by Anonymousreply 16208/08/2020

^^And not forgetting Ruito-kun. He has more rhythm and flair at 30 then any of these K-pop kids...

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by Anonymousreply 16308/08/2020

Japanese music destroys Korean music. Japanese people are more liberal so they tend to be more expressive / creative. Koreans are super Christian so their music and other productions like for television or film tend to be kind of... trivial and soulless.

by Anonymousreply 16408/08/2020

R164 Precisely!

Plus we should hold Japanese performers in higher regard and push their creativity more than that of Koreans, if only for the fact that in Japan today they at least basically accept homosexuality (particularly Male).

Recent surveys suggest that now as many as 70% of Japanese will openly state they no longer take issue with gay people (as compared with just under half c.1990-2000), whereas only around 30% of South Koreans tolerate it (impossible to get a read on the North, for obvious reasons).

Why support the commercial exports of a country that wants you and people like you arrested, tortured and excommunicated?

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by Anonymousreply 16508/08/2020

I like how cute they are. The boy groups. Soobin is adorable.

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by Anonymousreply 16608/08/2020

[quote] Why support the commercial exports of a country that wants you and people like you arrested, tortured and excommunicated?

Dear god, it’s not like that at all lol.

SK is as tolerant of gay guys and lesbians as, say, people in Northern Ireland or maybe rural Wisconsin or Minnesota: they’re not thought of much, if at all, and if they are, it’s more ambivalence or probably curiosity. No one in the mainstream wants them imprisoned or harmed. Jesus.

In SK, gay people aren’t considered special in the positive way they are in some places like wealthier parts of LA or NYC, but it’s not anything like Russia or India either.

You’re exaggerating the acceptance of gay men in Japan. If they’re so accepting, why doesn’t same-sex marriage have significant popular support?

It’s the same in South Korea and Japan: people are trying to make money and live their lives well. They don’t care much (or at all really) about matters related to gay people, the persecuted Muslims championed by progressives in the West, or trans people. They’re as ambivalent about them as we generally are about ... maybe vegans.

In any case, it’s irrelevant when it comes to pop music: not everything has to advance social change.

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by Anonymousreply 16708/08/2020

*possibly curiosity

by Anonymousreply 16808/08/2020

From 3 hours ago from Japan. Soobin!!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 16908/10/2020

Must be like crack for rice queens.

by Anonymousreply 17008/10/2020

Soobin-mania

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by Anonymousreply 17108/10/2020

R146, that music is so obviously American-influenced. It sounds like our pop-RnB, more or less.

by Anonymousreply 17208/11/2020

R172, I meant we don’t have pop groups that put on that sort of production.

by Anonymousreply 17308/11/2020

You're right but I'm not necessarily complaining.

by Anonymousreply 17408/11/2020

Many of these K-Pop bands suffer monstrous abuse at the hands of the bigwig record executives. The recent suicides of two or more of these teen idols didn’t happen in a vacuum.

by Anonymousreply 17508/12/2020

R175, the more immediate cause of those suicides was bullying on social media.

by Anonymousreply 17608/12/2020

I think neoteny explains some of the appeal: the idols are so cute and soft-looking. I know most of DL isn't into that, though. They find Adam Levine hot.

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by Anonymousreply 17708/18/2020

R177 is that before Adam Levine decided to fuck himself over or before that?

by Anonymousreply 17808/21/2020

R178, what happened to Adam Levine?

by Anonymousreply 17908/21/2020

This group, GOT7 gets me hot and bothered. Perfect pop song that goes well with the incredible dance moves and smoldering looks.

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by Anonymousreply 18008/23/2020

Talk about culture vultures 😒

by Anonymousreply 18108/23/2020

Thou doth protest too much . . . . . . .

👦 You're a twelve year old boy.

by Anonymousreply 18208/23/2020

Does anybody want to talk about Blackpink or any of these joyless k-pop groups?

by Anonymousreply 18310/21/2020

Let's be real; this music is similar to Western pop or rNb...except, totally inferior. They have to put all of their might into dramatic productions because the music itself is derivative trash.

I love South Korea but their pop music is objectively worse than that of other countries.

by Anonymousreply 18410/21/2020

I’m getting into Exo. I can’t believe this dance. The pelvic thrusts.

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by Anonymousreply 18510/21/2020

Netflix has a new Blackpink documentary. It’s getting good reviews.

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by Anonymousreply 18610/22/2020

Come at me, f(x) were/are the only truly innovative and musical SK 'girlband'. Then they died (well, one of them - RIP, Choi Jin-Ri/Sulli).

Confession: I have a physical copy of their 2014 album RED LIGHT, it's that excellent (and the follow up 4 WALLS in 2015 wasn't half bad, either). They have so many killer songs to mention; their infectious debut singles 'LA chA TA' & 'Chu~' changed the way I look at the sound and choreo of ensemble dance-pop, and the force of 'NU ABO' & 'Pinocchio (Danger)' a couple of years later hammered the point home. 'RED LIGHT' is completely out of this world, like aliens made an untouchable hit, and the same goes for 'MILK' and 'Spit It Out' from the same record. On a less serious note, I bump 'Hot Summer' on my playlists every July, I adore the sweet 'Pretty Girl' and 'Airplane' from 2013's PINK TAPE, and the fun and melodic banger 'Rum Pum Pum Pum' is always on in my place around Christmastime for good festive vibes.

Their video concepts ruled, too - so much more weird, energetic, dark, and creative than most of the other girlbands with their knock-off Pussycat Dolls/Girls Aloud/Little Mix schlock. The game changed in terms of visuals when f(x) did their thing, and it notices that groups to follow copied them slavishly. My entire life I've been a fan of many pop acts and studied a lot of dance moves, and I've never seen anything like the routines and moves that f(x) put together, especially not in the settings they chose.

If that weren't enough, the coolest thing about them is the creative control they took over their later material, and the risks they took with their sound and look against all advice that worked flawlessly. No-one thought RED LIGHT or 4 WALLS would work, and the group had to fight to get producers to cut it the way they wanted. In the end they split rather than follow SM's tyrannical and limiting directives. How many other pop behemoths out of SK have told the biggest entertainment company in the nation to fuck off?

Also I found out recently that f(x) recorded many songs from their early albums in Japanese as well as Korean, and that Luna was the singing voice for Gabriella for the Korean sub of HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL movies (she has pipes). Came to my attention also that Amber has a solo career doing English pop, which is so cool (singles from her 2018 album such as 'Closed Door', 'Lifeline', and 'High Hopes' are lovely); I think it shouldn't go unremarked that f(x) are the only SK pop act brave enough to include an obviously-gay member as a main member, as well as the only SK girlband with multiple members who can rap, play instruments, and speak other languages completely fluently (especially Chinese & English, which don't crop up much in other K-Pop, probably for nationalistic reasons).

Even now, I don't think anyone can touch what f(x) accomplished in their short decade together (or now, in their solo careers apart). The overhyped fan-friendly BTS are weak, compliant, dull men by comparison.

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by Anonymousreply 18710/24/2020

Wow, R187.

Did you know I wrote "Pinocchio (Danger)" to warn my son about the dangers of fire and termites?

It's true!

by Anonymousreply 18810/24/2020

Just found this interview from CBS This Morning (filmed back in January of this year), with former f(x) member Amber Liu. Amazingly, she is whistleblowing on the insidious pressures that SK entertainment moguls, agencies and music Execs put on their talent to maintain a punishing work schedule and a crippling inauthentic image; the pressure that ended up killing poor Sulli, in the end.

Amber courageously reveals the disturbing truth that she and her bandmates were forced to bleach skin, lose a dangerous amount of weight that led to developing eating disorders (she quotes that the most common conversation with her labelmates used to be, "did you eat today?" "no, I didn't, I'm on this diet where I'm only drinking water"), and even considered caving to the relentless pressure to get unnecessary and dangerous cosmetic/plastic surgery as young teens.

She also delineates the difference in the way that male and female groups are promoted and paid for what they do; according to Amber, successful female groups are expected to grab general public popularity if they want backing or good pay which causes ferocious nasty competition, while male groups do well with smaller passionate 'fandoms' and get preferential treatment by labels.

Talking about Sulli, she becomes very distant, morose, and tense. She must be inwardly heartbroken that the above led to the pointless tragic early death of her friend (the one who was close as a little sibling to her), and so furious with both the bullying 'fandom' and the Powers That Be. Her retrospective comment to Sulli's cruel critics, "people; just, let her live, let her be an artist, let her be an actress. Why is this a big deal? It's just a girl, living her life" had me teared up.

The whole industry is completely disgusting, and while some great pop floor-fillers came out it, I'd rather it all collapse if this is all it's about.

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by Anonymousreply 18910/24/2020

Amber is an disgruntled liar. “Bleach” skin? Please.

by Anonymousreply 19010/24/2020

R190 what makes you say she's 'disgruntled', or even lying?

Amber left SM & the SK industry willingly, of her own accord. Though she was one of the older f(x) members and the group had disbanded, she was popular and high-selling and unique enough that she could easily have continued with her agency, but she said no.

And it's common knowledge that all across Asia, disturbing ideals of beauty have seeded a lucrative empire of cosmetic practises. What's rarer is someone who has lived with that reality coming forward to say how gross and absurb it is.

by Anonymousreply 19110/24/2020

Amber is so gross. I don’t know how she was cast in the first place.

They need to stop casting foreigners, especially those from the West. They’re not team players, and always want to be the center of attention, at the expense of the groups as a whole. All of them are neurotic trainwrecks who can’t endure discipline and order.

by Anonymousreply 19210/24/2020

Kai from EXO is super fuckable. Those hip moves go into another dimension:

by Anonymousreply 19310/24/2020

My favorite thing is watching the male talent go to pieces when Victoria gets within 10 feet of them. Bunch of drooling clowns lmao.

Didn't Eunhyuk say something rude to the press years ago about Krystal wanting his dick? Classic projection. He's just mad because Victoria wouldn't hop on it. Super Junior never did have any class, though I will give it them that they could really move.

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by Anonymousreply 19410/24/2020

R192 R192 so brave to out yourself - as a racist homophobe Nazi drone, who sees women as fuckdoll robots and doesn't think there's anything wrong with corporate abuse of artists & performers.

It's good to know who to block.

by Anonymousreply 19510/24/2020

Jesus, R195 is crazy.

I’m watching this. It’s relaxing.

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by Anonymousreply 19610/24/2020

Global Opinions

China went up against a K-pop giant — and lost

Opinion by Arthur Tam

Oct. 26, 2020 at 12:37 p.m. PDT

Arthur Tam is a journalist and was formerly an editor at Time Out Hong Kong and Cedar Hong Kong.

Hell hath no fury like a legion of loyal K-pop fans scorned.

This month, K-pop group BTS accepted the Korea Society’s James A. Van Fleet Award, which recognizes the group’s role in developing goodwill between South Korea and the United States. By all accounts, it was a harmless event focusing on diplomacy. But then band leader Kim Nam-joon, better known as RM, made a comment about the tragedies of the Korean War, saying “we need to always remember the history of pain shared by the two nations, and sacrifices of many men and women.”

This immediately triggered the paranoia of the Chinese propaganda machine, which bizarrely interpreted the remark as an insult because there was no mention of Chinese lives lost during the war. State media flooded Weibo, WeChat and Twitter with misinformation and incited Chinese-nationalist sentiments while denouncing BTS, causing brands such as FILA and Samsung to remove images of the group from their Chinese sites.

Yet as the dust settles on the spat, it has become increasingly clear that China picked a fight with an enemy it can’t beat.

China’s relationship with Seoul has been strained ever since the dispute over THAAD, a U.S. anti-missile system deployed in South Korea. In addition, Chinese authorities have made it clear that they do not approve of K-pop’s representation of men and fears its growing influence in the country. China’s own pop culture development in the past decade follows South Korean entertainment’s aesthetic formula in certain ways: Chinese television stations remake their own versions of popular Korean variety shows, and young Chinese performers flock to Seoul in hope of being signed under a Korean record label.

By attacking, Beijing likely thought it could curb South Korean influence and reassert its own political importance in one shot. This was a grave misstep. BTS has become one of the most popular global acts with an extremely protective fan base. Its fan battalion, called the ARMY or Adorable Representative M.C. for Youth, has members across all races, genders, creeds, ages, sexualities and nationalities — at least several million of whom are likely Chinese, based on the group’s Weibo account. And K-pop has continued to grow in China despite pressure from Beijing.

When the Chinese government put an embargo on South Korean commodities in 2016 — including K-pop — because of THAAD, all of BTS’s music and promotional activities came to a halt in China. Nevertheless, its Chinese fan club was able to buy 220,000 copies of BTS’s latest album through a surrogate shopper and bring them into the country, breaking the record for fan purchases. For group member V’s birthday, Chinese fans raised $935,318 to not only support the band but also donate to charitable causes in the name of their idol.

So, when the Van Fleet Award situation erupted, Chinese nationalists were met with opposition not only from fans but also from regular Chinese netizens who were confused as to why there was a controversy to begin with. This forced state newspaper Global Times to remove some of its smear pieces on BTS and the initial online furor quickly died out.

Being challenged was not what Chinese authorities and state media were expecting. Unlike in previous spats — for example, with the National Basketball Association over comments by the Houston Rockets general manager, or with brands such as Marriott over their inclusion of Taiwan and Tibet in some materials — BTS was largely unaffected. Its record label Big Hit Entertainment is still sitting above its initial public offering price. And in the past few years, the group’s global promotional efforts have made them less reliant on China.

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by Anonymousreply 19710/27/2020

The Chinese government underestimated K-pop and just how emotionally passionate fans are for their idols and what they represent — an inclusive safe space that provides a comforting escape, especially in these pandemic-ridden times. This sentiment is not something the government can strong-arm into submission, like its failed attempts to subvert and strong-arm religion.

From a cultural standpoint, Beijing made a deeply unwise decision. As the demand for Korean pop culture increases around the world, China’s image continues to suffer. In the recent election to the U.N. Human Rights Council, China received the fewest votes ever since joining. And when a high-level government official such as China’s foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian picks a fight with a boy band, the embarrassing spectacle goes against the image of invulnerability China likes to project.

If Beijing cares about its image, it could take a few notes from South Korea. Since the Asian financial crisis of 1997, the South Korean government has been generally supportive of the country’s creative industries. It understood the importance of art, fashion, music and culture for soft power. And now, big Korean music companies have harnessed their creativity for the perfect product: idol groups who are wholesome, affable and vulnerable, appealing to a global and massive audience.

When the old guard and red guard go up against a group of dazzling young men, it’s not difficult to see who the younger generation would choose to align with — if not now, than in the long run, as Korea’s cultural exports continue to find a larger audience. China can continue blocking BTS all it wants, but the band and the movement they represent are the best bet to win the culture wars in the end.

by Anonymousreply 19810/27/2020

How do American fans feel about K-pop idols from China spouting CCP propaganda on their social media? Conflicted, I imagine, given the 38th Parallel issue...

Lay, Kyulkyung, Sungso etc. are all Chinese idols who have favoured their home country over the SK groups that made them famous in order to make money and obey the CCP, have posted denials or distortions about the Korean War to their socials, and refused to integrate to their host nation. SK stans have signed petitions to ban these stars and others from returning to SK or rejoining their groups as active performing members. Is this too harsh, or is it justified?

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by Anonymousreply 19910/27/2020

R199, if pressure from the PRC government itself prompted their statements, then I can’t blame them. In the odd chance that their Korean companies, wanting to stay on China’s good side, instructed them to post, I wouldn’t blame them for that either.

If they felt pressure only from their Chinese fans to make a statement, and then did so on their own accord, I think that’s a mistake: if it were just the pressure from fans, they should have stayed silent.

If there was no pressure, but rather their own beliefs prompted them to post, well they’re free to do that (unlike China, South Korea is a democracy with free speech), but for their own careers and those if their groups, they should lie low, maybe skip the next comeback.

I think this should make the companies think more carefully about recruiting talent from China moving forward. It’s probably best to refrain from doing so. There’s talent at home, in Japan, etc.

by Anonymousreply 20010/27/2020

(Fun article about “the youth.” BTS, K-Pop stans are fighting QAnon and MAGA on social media.)

No One Fights QAnon Like the Global Army of K-Pop Superfans

BTS stans built the trolling blueprint for 4chan types, and they’ve proven they can disrupt it.

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by Anonymousreply 20110/28/2020

Fun read. China can't handle K-pop and BTS.

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by Anonymousreply 20210/29/2020

R180 sounds like a paid shill.

"Smoldering looks" ?

You outdid yourself there. That was a particularly lame and corny remark.

by Anonymousreply 20311/04/2020

R203 on blocking R180, I can see there is one crazed fantroll, who has posted over half of the responses to this thread.

Figures. It's not like fifty DL posters, or even thirty-five, could muster more than a passing interest in this topic enough to post vehemently and multiple times in its defense.

by Anonymousreply 20411/04/2020

I officially like some k-pop now though I am not familiar with many groups. I like CL’s latest releases especially “5 Star” and Blackpink’s How you like that?”

by Anonymousreply 20511/04/2020

R205, do you have Spotify? They have good playlists and streams for K-pop.

by Anonymousreply 20611/04/2020

I don’t r206. I also like this crazy song by the group Loona. They have about 100 members or so lol. I think the song is called Why not?

by Anonymousreply 20711/04/2020

R204, you'd be surprised how many non-Koreans become infatuated with K-Pop as a means of escapism from their pathetic and frustrated existences.

It's like when doughy, awkward Americans and Canadians are obsessed with Japanese anime even though they don't know the first or the last thing about authentic Japanese culture nor do they have any respect for Japan. It's insulting fetishism from fat gaijin losers and undesirables that feel entitled to a slender, graceful anime-style waifu.

The k-popper in this thread is the equivalent to an anime loser or yaoi pervert. I'll bet any sum of money that this person isn't Korean.

by Anonymousreply 20811/04/2020

Jesus. Why do you care r208?

by Anonymousreply 20911/04/2020

I don't understand what's sexy about this. Shit's way too choreographed and the girls look dead inside.

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by Anonymousreply 21011/04/2020

R210, that’s extremely rare in K-pop. Some weird girl group. Normally, 95% of the time it’s quite wholesome.

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by Anonymousreply 21111/04/2020

R410, this is about as edgy that it gets. Seriously, that GIF is from some weird group of no-names, and they’re not even singing —some random guys are singing. Note how the poster had to search for it, and how others reacted.

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by Anonymousreply 21211/04/2020

R205, this channel stands performances 24/7.

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by Anonymousreply 21311/04/2020

Some variety shows. Steaming.

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by Anonymousreply 21411/04/2020

Exo with Cheeto and Ivanka.

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by Anonymousreply 21511/04/2020

R211 sadly it's not so wholesome behind the scenes for most of them 🙁

by Anonymousreply 21611/04/2020

R216, they’re millionaires. Twice is huge. They’re fine.

by Anonymousreply 21711/04/2020

R209, they're hard not to notice. I wouldn't go as far as "care" because the type of fanatics in reference are lowlifes of the lowest order.

by Anonymousreply 21811/05/2020

R208, I think he was dumped by a K-pop or anime fan. It's triggering.

by Anonymousreply 21911/05/2020

R209, I think he was dumped by a K-pop or anime fan. It's triggering.

by Anonymousreply 22011/05/2020

There are so many variety shows. I'm watching this now. They're cute.

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by Anonymousreply 22111/05/2020

R219, R220;

That's wishful thinking.

by Anonymousreply 22211/05/2020

R217 millionaires? I don't think so. And money doesn't fix years of sexual abuse.

by Anonymousreply 22311/05/2020

Lol, R223, of course they’re millionaires. Twice? Absolutely.

You clearly don’t now anything about K-pop.

by Anonymousreply 22411/05/2020

For the poster who’s just getting into it.

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by Anonymousreply 22511/05/2020

Oh yeah I’ve heard that one. Thanks r225.

I like all the girls but I love Lisa. She is a scene stealer.

by Anonymousreply 22611/05/2020

R226, are you mainly interested in the girl groups? Any boy groups yet?

Itzy is a popular 4th-gen group. Blackpink is 3rd-gen.

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by Anonymousreply 22711/05/2020

I just haven’t heard much of the groups in general. I only heard of Blackpink and a few others because of ONTD.

by Anonymousreply 22811/05/2020

The itzy video was cute. It’s interesting how these songs are just really unusual. I don’t know how to describe them. It’s certainly a genre unto itself.

by Anonymousreply 22911/05/2020

R226, Twice is one of the top girl groups. Give them a try. I’ll post their top songs.

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by Anonymousreply 23011/05/2020

Twice - “Likey”

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by Anonymousreply 23111/05/2020

Twice - Yes Or Yes

There are English captions available on all the songs.

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by Anonymousreply 23211/05/2020

Twice - Dance the Night Away

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by Anonymousreply 23311/05/2020

Twice - Cheer Up

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by Anonymousreply 23411/05/2020

Twice - What is Love?

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by Anonymousreply 23511/05/2020

Twice - Fancy

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by Anonymousreply 23611/05/2020

Aren't the groups part time prostitutes to big investors?

by Anonymousreply 23711/05/2020

R236 "Fancy" was one of the biggest KPop hits of last year, though I think it should have charted higher for Twice only reaching #3 in the charts. Here is boy group Stray Kids' take on it - though I still prefer the original Twice music video in all its CGI glory.

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by Anonymousreply 23811/06/2020

R230 I would also add one of Twice's early hits, "Like Ooh Aah"

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by Anonymousreply 23911/06/2020

The Boyz covering "What is Love". Adorable, but you KNOW they hated doing it lol.

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by Anonymousreply 24011/06/2020

My favorite cover of a third-gen song by a fourth-gen group. "Call Me Baby" w/ the Boyz.

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by Anonymousreply 24111/06/2020

I didn’t like any of Twice’s songs though I appreciate posting them. I think what I like about the kpop groups that I am drawn to is the Teddy Park influence. He has a certain style. CL says he is a big influence on her work.

by Anonymousreply 24211/06/2020

WHET G-Dragon who was supposed to breakout out of Big Bang and become a huge solo star.

by Anonymousreply 24311/07/2020

R243, it happened. He’s huge, but was away for two years and just finished his military service.

by Anonymousreply 24411/07/2020

G-Dragon is a bargain basement Leehom Wang.

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by Anonymousreply 24511/07/2020

Thanks r244. There are some photos where G-Dragon looks like he was starting to morph into a lesbian.lol.

by Anonymousreply 24611/07/2020

My favorite K-Pop video from the murderous girls of Red Velvet, with special guest stars Itchy and Scratchy of The Simpsons - "Russian Roulette"

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by Anonymousreply 24711/07/2020

Very nice performance from The Boyz.

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by Anonymousreply 24811/11/2020

Seventeen - Don’t Wanna Cry

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by Anonymousreply 24911/12/2020

Performance version

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by Anonymousreply 25011/12/2020

It could be good. I mean we still fondly remember boy bands of the aughts. But the bois are so dull and vapid. It looks like an aerobics class attended by youth whose only exposure to music was Britney Spears videos.

by Anonymousreply 25111/12/2020

Seventeen are very cute. 🥰

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by Anonymousreply 25211/12/2020

Promo parody ads from Seventeen.

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by Anonymousreply 25311/12/2020

The variety shows are fun and help you learn about all the members.

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by Anonymousreply 25411/12/2020

These boys are lesbians

by Anonymousreply 25511/12/2020

R255 = Boomer

by Anonymousreply 25611/13/2020

R255 likes guys like this.

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by Anonymousreply 25711/13/2020

R226, STAYC just debuted. I’m really liking it.

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by Anonymousreply 25811/17/2020

R247, do you like Psycho?

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by Anonymousreply 25911/17/2020

Blackpink’s debut single, “Whistle”.

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by Anonymousreply 26011/17/2020

R229 - “Dalla Dalla” by Itzy

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by Anonymousreply 26111/17/2020

🥰🥰🥰🥰

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by Anonymousreply 26211/18/2020

R259 I prefer Peek-A-Boo (below) to Psycho, not that I only like Red Velvet when they are being all murdery. I think Cookie Jar is one of their best pop songs.

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by Anonymousreply 26311/25/2020

R259 Red Velvet - Cookie Jar

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by Anonymousreply 26411/25/2020

There's good Korean music but it's pushed into the indie side like Standing Egg, Busker Busker, Akdong Musician and Coffee Boy to name a few.

They look like normal but still good-looking Koreans and have more soul and emotion to them too.

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by Anonymousreply 26512/19/2020

Coffee Boy has nice songs.

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by Anonymousreply 26612/19/2020

STAYC's So Bad is one of the best debuts in a LONG time. Killer song.

(G) I-DLE put out a great song today. Beautiful video!

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by Anonymousreply 267Last Monday at 2:39 AM

R267, I agree re Stacy. It's so good. I like the 80s synth: very nostalgic, like Stranger Things.

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by Anonymousreply 268Last Monday at 5:06 AM

*STAYC

by Anonymousreply 269Last Monday at 5:07 AM

Itself “Wannabe” choreography video. This is the one with the shoulder move that everybody was buzzing about.

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by Anonymousreply 270Last Monday at 9:26 AM

*Itzy

by Anonymousreply 271Last Monday at 9:26 AM
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