Sanders crosses 30%; Buttigieg collapses to sixth

But Peter was such a nice sissy boy.

When Bernie loses to Trump in a landslide we can all thank you for helping kill our democracy. Four more years of Trump and there will be no more American experiment; just another authoritarian regime.

Equally significant is that Bloomberg is now in 2nd on 19% (up 9%) a huge increase before he's even reached the debate stage. With Biden (down 9%) seemingly dead in the water and Pete no more than a flash in the pan that will leave Bernie & Bloomberg to duke it out for the nomination, which is a pretty mighty clash of ideologies. Personally I believe that both are capable of beating Trump, and that, as ever, is the priority here.

Bernie will probably lose. ..... But I am old enough to remember Reagan. Nobody really thought he would win in 1980. He was an old man, too extreme, to unintelligent. Well obviously he did win and changed everything. So you never can tell.

Are national polls really relevant? In both the primaries and the general election it's the states that are significant.

R5 That's true, but they are still a very useful barometer of the overall picture.

Source: Source: NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll. The most recent data come from a survey of 1,416 U.S. adults conducted Feb. 13-16. This question was asked of 527 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, and the margin of error is 5.4 percentage points. The December survey included candidates who are no longer in the race; they are not shown here. Values for February may not add up to 100% because of rounding.

Whatever.

Agreed r5, national polls aren't that significant. Besides, both Obama and Bill Clinton were "it'll never happen" candidates when primaries began, so it's far too early to tell.

OP and his ilk are trying to depress enthusiasm and primary turnout.

Bloomberg will be our next president

Jeremy Corbyn is a Democratic Socialist.

Bernard came up with the new caucus rules.

He’s going to be wiped out by Trump.

Agree with R5 and R8

R9 gets 3 cents every time he posts that.

I think Sanders is a good candidate . Trump has become boring and predictable in his outrageousness and people are desperately in need of some unpredictability of another flavour. Politics has become entertainment.

I'm old enough to have worked for the McGovern campaign in 1972. Sanders is McGovern redux. It's such a similar situation -- a crooked president intent on running the president his way, and a left wing opponent who fired up his base. Unfortunately, Nixon beat McGovern and his left wing base in a landslide.

That will happen again with Bernie. I happen to agree with nearly everything Bernie says and wish the rest of the country did too. But they don't. This is not a left-wing country. This is a center country with some left wing views and some right wing views. The center always wins.

Sanders means four more years of Trump.

We need more Amy!!! Get them Amy. We need you more than ever.

Here's what Sanders, AOC and the Bernie Bros. have in store for America: If you own anything, a house, a car, furnishings, investments, whatever, it will no longer be yours because they're all symbolic of capitalistic greed. It will be confiscated in the name of the state and redistributed amongst the Politburo, i.e AOC and the Bernie Bros.

The state, in turn, will provide you with a permanent job (digging subway tunnels or canals with a shovel), a one room "flat" in a public housing project, and free education and health care.

Also, the Bernie Bros. will be renamed the Bolshevist Bros.

What the poll demonstrates is that about one third of the Democratic electorate want Bernie. But about 70 percent of the Dems want someone else. Until they coalesce around one of the moderate candidates, they will continue to fracture the anti-Bernie vote. A lot will depend on Super Tuesday and what happens in the wake of people losing (like Amy and Pete).

Sanders = Trump

Sanders' Supporters = Sanders Deplorables

Enough of the SJW/Loser/Twat bullying of Democrats to put this demagogue into place.

And enough of this OP.

Last two polls were plain wrong, so we'll see

Sanders: the current version of Corbyn and McGovern

I will never vote for Bernie Sanders. I just won’t do it.

I will not hold my nose to vote for someone I don’t just think is unable, but who I think is unfit, to do the job.

I absolutely think Sanders will lose to Trump, though not in a “50 state landslide” as some DLers think. The bright side is that this will be the end of him and we won’t have to deal with his obnoxious supporters anymore.

"Sanders is the new McGovern" was Hillary's argument in 2016 and SHE LOST. Therefore, the argument is null and void.

Bernie's supporters will just get in line behind a 2024 AOC bid, R23.

It’ll be President Pete. And it’ll be the same old shit at its core, but with a handful of progressive and positive tweaks regarding social welfare. Wars, fiat money, consumerism, corporatism etc. will stay put.

The golden days are over and the US is continuing its descent into the third world.

Amy amy. Always Amy.

My Karens, My Karens, why have you forsaken me?

Buttigieg has the lowest name recognition and can't buy recognition like Bloomberg does. National polls aren't relevant.

Indeed, R27. AMY! AMY! AMY!

[quote]I will never vote for Bernie Sanders. I just won’t do it.

Sweet bleeding jesus Tony Woodard, we know. WE KNOW.

[quote]I happen to agree with nearly everything Bernie says and wish the rest of the country did too. But they don't. This is not a left-wing country. This is a center country with some left wing views and some right wing views. The center always wins.

Right there with you. Bernie espouses a vision for the country that I wholeheartedly agree with. I've been listening to him for years and years, long before he first ran for president, and I love his rhetoric. But I've come to realize that that's all it is -- he hasn't been able to convince his colleagues to support any of his proposals. That's not going to magically change if he becomes president.

Of course, that's never going to happen -- if he becomes the nominee, and he just might, the Repug attack machine is going to paint him as a communist out to destroy all that America holds dear. And it will work.

R16 -- Thanks you for postings the truth about the socialist Sanders person who will be able to take all your possessions away because the presidents has all that power to do everything you say the minutes he takes the control of the office of the presidents. You are to be congratulated for knowing that the bad democrats are not patriots and they will on the first day with all their power take your car and your nice computer away too.

[quote]Sweet bleeding jesus Tony Woodard, we know. WE KNOW.

Haha yeah, but he's not just informing us anymore, he's trying to sway opinion. Sadly, he doesn't realize that Tony Woodward of Datalounge, U.S.A. isn't much of an influencer.

Trump & Sanders

win-win

I'm cumming!

[quote] Bernie will probably lose. ..... But I am old enough to remember Reagan. Nobody really thought he would win in 1980. He was an old man, too extreme, to unintelligent. Well obviously he did win and changed everything. So you never can tell.

What a marvelous time to roll the dice.

For the first time ever I’ll give my full support to sanders On account of Bloomberg

Bernie host another massive rally, say 13 thousand people, yesterday. In a way it is very hard to ignore the fire and energy his campaign brings to this race. It's very similar to Trump's 2016 run. That said, I jut don't believe in his motley crews ability to get out to the polls and vote for other non-Bernie supported Democrats. I don't want Bernie to win by a squeaker, just to end up with a larger Republican majority in the Senate. McConnell will destroy Bernie's agenda. Nancy would certainly have to give up her gavel by 2022, because Republicans wont let Bernie get even an inch of progress. Bernie, like Obama post 2008, has no coattails for the rest of the Party.

Bloomberg's coattails are pure hard cash. He will take full control of the DNC, like Trump with the RNC, but instead of raping it's coffers from campaign donations he will just outright buy it. Bloomberg seems like a man that likes to win, so I see him becoming the king maker supporting the Democratic Senate candidates in 2020. Once elected it will be Bloomberg's way or he highway, similar to Trump. Part of that is scary, but another part of that might mean ramming through a few key Democratic objectives. By 2024 the old rich bastard will simply retire.

I'll take four years of Bloomberg slapping McConnell with a wad of cash over four years of gridlock under Bernie, or racist fascism under Trump. So tomorrow will be a big test to see if Bloomberg is a giant or just another Wizard of Oz.

Bloomberg may make some excuse not to be in the debate.

It's his right to skip the debate. Seems like a Party for losers as everyone know that no one else on the stage can stop Bernie except Bloomberg. If Bloomberg tanks then the Bernie train will continue to gain momentum until McGovern, er Bernie, takes the nomination. I don't trust that Bernie can pull out a win and take the Senate, but I'm over fighting the passion of my fellow Democrats. That said, I'm leaning towards a Bloomberg vote in the Primary. May the man or woman capable of beating Trump and McConnell win.

The bias here against Bernie is literally insane. He’s been on our side for decades.

Reminder: LGBTQ includes poor and working class people.

im cuban and i live in miami, and there is ZERO chance that Bernie will get any cuban or hispanic vote here in south florida. they are already claiming that bernie is in favor of maduro and other left wing dictatorships in latin american. there is also a very unpleasant and disgusting and nasty gay cuban maricon called alex otaola that is very popular in the cuban community because in his youtube channel he promotes Trump and talks a lot of shit against the democrats to get ratings but a lot of people follow him.i will vote for bloomberg because of all the candidates he is the only one who realistically have a good chance of winning the elections.

Bernie tops Trump in every head to head poll and always has.

R42 Cubans in Miami didn’t vote for Hillary or Obama either. They’re a Republican voting bloc and always have been.

[quote]Bernie tops Trump

Figures.

R42 I don’t know how to say this without sounding stupid, but: thanks for sharing. Unlike some OTHER people, I think it’s interesting to hear what different people and communities are thinking. Someone here on DL made a comment about black people who support Trump. He was in a few FB groups for black entrepreneurs/small business owners and noted that they admired Trump. You just never know.

Pete was never going to win and neither is Sanders. Our whole country is so stupid and so conservative that they voted for the goddamn idiot that is in our White House! Honest to God, Trump is killing our country and many of you support canadates who could never hope to win. You risk our democracy.

MSNBC and CNN are doing what Fox has been doing: promoting Bernie Sanders. Fox doesn't want a Bloomberg challenge to Bernie. The other two have decided on a Bernie-Bloomberg horserace.

They've managed to ignore and dismiss Buttigieg's strong finishes in Iowa and NH. The black pundits and panelists, bimbo teleprompter readers, and others, including you Kornacki, got your wish. After burning Biden, now they want to give him a mini-spark.

Corporate media executives want Trump. Bernie Sanders will assure it.

Sanders: lose 44 states maximum, 40 minimum. This is what some political scientists are predicting.

Link, R49? You’re full of shit.

Bloomberg absolutely needs to be at the debate there is literally no fucking excuse for him to pussy out and continue pouring hundreds of millions into the race, pretending like he can just hide behind that forever.

I was a poli sci major so I know about McGovern-Fraser. I agree with R14.

Mayor Pete will win California

Bloomberg has gotten this far without debating, I say he stay out of the debates. Those debates are meaningless anyway. I say let's end this awful primary season now, tell Bernie and his asshole supporters to kick rocks and focus on people who will actually get shit done.

Super Tuesday will be rough for everyone.

We're gonna end up with a shitty president, be it Trump or Bernie or Biden, and once again Americans will be obliviously dumbfounded as to how they got there. We are a country that loves to shoot ourselves in the foot and then wonder where the bullet hole in our big toe came from.

Fuck you, R1.

As a Pete supporter it is really depressing how Bloomberg is slowly bleeding his campaign - even with how strong Pete has done in the first two states. It’s frustrating as hell.

David never had to defeat three Goliaths (Bloomberg, Sanders, Trump) though....

Steve Kornacki on MSNBC is marveling at how Klobuchar and Pete haven't really benefitted from Iowa.

R50 it was on MSNBC this morning, incel.

R60 is correct. On Stephanie this morning, in the last hour. Some political scientist with facial hair and he's bald.

R59 And that is exactly Bloomberg’s doing.

Vaughn Hillyard in Vegas covering Pete is optimistic.

[quote]Steve Kornacki on MSNBC is marveling at how Klobuchar and Pete haven't really benefitted from Iowa.

Steve only has to look at his own network. The media has been downplaying Pete's campaign, especially the media that is supposed to be on our side. Fuck MSNBC and fuck you too Steve.

We really need some moderates to drop out

Pete will stick around, but Amy's too smart not to consider her options. She can coast to the VP position if she chooses the right candidate to back.

None of these national polls mean anything rn, they'll all change after the next two states. If Biden tanks, they'll change, if Biden does well they'll change. Bloomberg will debate tonight which will have impact and the recent vetting and attacks on him may. He's an unk own quantity and it's all in major flux right now.

Look at the VA state poll that just came out. It shows Bernie Biden and Bloomberg in a statistical tie for first. But only 25% said their selections were firm, two weeks from the primary! Everything depends on what happens before it, so the national and later state polls don't mean much at all right now. It's all about Nevada and even more so, SC.

It does seem clear that Liz is in big trouble, and Pete and Amy have not gained enough new support to remain contenders.

If Bloomberg joins the debate, he loses Super Tuesday. He's depending on the South to put him over.

[quote] If Bloomberg joins the debate, [bold] he loses Super Tuesday. [/bold] He's depending on the South to put him over.

Based on what exactly? You’ve pulled that supposition out of thin air. There are many people withholding judgment until they see him in a debate.

It must be said it is normal for both Democrats and Republicans to pick someone rich because nobody likes the constant begging for money they get otherwise. But Democrats should know they would be throwing away their best case against Trump if they hire a mirror to him, and that mirroring never worked. (see John Kerry).

[quote]Bernie tops Trump in every head to head poll and always has.

So did Hillary.

Bloomberg needs to do a decent job at the debate.

Biden's results in NV need to be underwhelming.

All moderates will seriously consider moving to Bloomberg.

[quote]Sanders: lose 44 states maximum, 40 minimum. This is what some political scientists are predicting.

Rick Wilson is a political consultant, not a political scientist. But that's his prediction for a Bernie presidential campaign.

Odds in Vegas.......

People are not as afraid of "socialism" as the pundits think

[quote]People are not as afraid of "socialism" as the pundits think

U.S NEWS & WORLD REPORT: According to a Gallup poll released last Tuesday, Americans overwhelmingly are just fine with voting for a woman, as well as a black, Hispanic or (to a somewhat lesser extent) gay candidate. The sort of candidate a majority of Americans reject?

Socialist.

The category was the only one which had a majority of Americans, 53%, declaring they would not cast a ballot for a candidate so described.

Gallup being completely untrustworthy.

This miserable thread is full of trolls regurgitating Repub-lite Bloomberg talking points

Pete needs to get it together. Leverage some of the Hollywood backing. Bring the celebs to NV to advocate for him.

You can always tell who's going to win by the enthusiasm of his or her supporters, and Sanders has a ton of enthusiasm around him. Obama and Trump had enthusiasm, too. Hillary had none. Biden has none.

Sanders beat Hillary in most of the midwest states during the primary. He won MI, WI, MN. I think he would do better against Trump in the midwest than people think.

[quote]: LGBTQ includes poor and working class people.

Also LGBTQ includes none gay people that are homophobic.

Gay rights is what matters to gay people.

Once again, none of the three B's (Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg) can or will win. As you notice, fly over state Buttigieg is not even mentioned. So far all the Democrats have done is show stupidity. Each one running has their own agenda and not thinking of all the citizens in the U S and bring them together. Every Democratic candidate is a wolf in sheeps clothing , hiding who and what they really are.

Anyone/Anything But Trump 2020.

I am loving Bloomberg putting a gas in this race by setting it on flames.

Fellow DL Pete supporters: let’s focus on happier things like which March sister from Little Women do we think Pete is? Correct answer will be revealed tonight.

Ok, that one gets an "Oh Dear" from me.

If the nominee, whoever it is, doesn't beat Trump then we'll probably never have another real election in this country.

Bloomberg MUST pick a black woman for VP. Kamala or Stacey, most likely.

Hopefully Kamala. She's biracial not 100 % black. She is very accomplished. She also has never lost an election like Abrams has. However Abrams didn't fuck her way to the top like Kamala has either!

R91, Kamala is black and brown.

if Pete collapses, I'm 100% for Bloomberg. He is a fighter with realistic ideas that can get done, not this pie in the sky bullshit that Americans would benefit from but will be told minute by minute in every media outlet that they're going to suffer financially because of Sanders (and they may be right). A Sanders presidency would collapse even faster -- no rallying support for his policies which means they get nowhere and a drip drip drip of negative coverage in all media. He'll lose the congress in the first two years and you'll be back to square one. Or worse, Trump gets re-elected and the American experiment blows up in our face.

Stacey is already bought by Bloomberg. He donated $5 million to her PAC and she’s been defending him ever since. Personally, I don’t get the hype around her. People act like she has some moral authority over the Democratic Party but in reality she’s just another money hungry corporate dem. People gave Beto shit for running for president after losing but Stacey has been jumping up and down waving her arms to be VP yet she doesn’t get the same criticism. Plus, her record is sketchy. I’m tired of hearing about that woman.

Bernie isn't an actual socialist though..not that I am for him but lets be honest. He is a socialist in the vein of the UK or Sweden

R94 Her just now saying she’d like the VP is not even remotely the same as Beto IMMEDIATELY (hell, almost concurrently!) running for President after the Senate loss. Plus, she’s been working on other very important things (hello voting rights). What’s Beto been up to other than Twittering?

R96, Beto running was obviously a mistake but since dropping out he’s been working to turn the Texas state house blue. He’s been working hard.

Elizabeth Warren's collapse is complete.

Voting for anyone Klobuchar's age or older is like voting for a steam-engine-era candidate at the dawn of the automobile age.

None of those older candidates is a tech native, and none of them has a vision of the future with the gig economy, artificial intelligence, non-fossil-fuel-based energy, and the information age.

The best any of them can hope to be is like an efficient school board president who can manage current disasters well enough to keep his job, but not well enough to prevent future ones or solve the problems that cause them.

And none of them will unify any of the country. Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar, and Warren will make the Obama-Congress relationship look like a love affair.

We need a president for the next century, not the last one.

[quote]Bloomberg MUST pick a black woman for VP. Kamala or Stacey, most likely.

I wouldn't count on MUST playing a prominent part in Bloomberg's world.

First, his whole life. Second, there'll be a bit of swagger if he barnstormed the process and walked away with it in the end. He will pick exactly who he likes. I'm not a betting man but very happy to wager DL won't be happy.

New poll out shows Joe and Bernie within 3 points of one another for the black vote. Joe's support is eroding.

Think Bernie can win?

Look at this Gallup poll that just came out. Only a quarter of Americans are liberal. And not even all of them will vote for Bernie.

I'm pissed Warren is being erased by the media! This country is too sexist and backwards to get the person who can actually work with others and has a ducking plan into office. Old white men only. JFC, even Pakistan has had a woman president. We are so behind in every GD way. Just heard a report on the Daily, only 14% of American adults can distinguish fact from opinion! Only 1/3 of our graduates are reading at level!

A nation of fucking idiots.

I was all for Bernie in 2016. However his sexist campaign and terrible supporters have turned me off. He also seems to just talk the talk and not be able to gain traction and make change. I want M4A and education for all.. but I don't think he knows how to do it. Warren's plans much more fleshed out and workable. Fuck him and his supporters for pushing her out!

I sincerely hope it's not that racist cunt Bloomberg winning the nom.

Ugh .. maybe it won't matter as we'll all be dying from WuFlu come November.

MARY!

Now that Biden is toast, the Russians are eager for Bernie to be the candidate. Trump is as well.

That, as they say, it [italic] a lot[/italic] to unpack.

[quote] I'm not a betting man but very happy to wager DL won't be happy.

Is there a sentient being on earth who would even dream of taking that bet?

If I’m not mistaken r58 the town folks wanted to get rid of the giant. No one asked for a small town mayor to join this race.

We want a fighter. People like Bernie because he has been fightBig for progressive policies since day one in office. People are also warming to Bloomberg because name ID and the fact that he’s been the one person capable of using the media to fight back against Trump with his ads.

Warren flopped because she couldn’t stick to a position and seemed weak in the end. Biden couldn’t beat Trump in the Ukraine narrative. People want a fighter, even a dirty one. Dems are out for blood. Why do you think this primary has been a shit show? Everyone has over 3 years of pent up rage. Bloomberg and Bernie understand that fact. Pete doesn’t have the resources to compete.

Pete is young and can try again in 2024.

That’s because Bloomberg bought and paid for these trolls, R79.

We ran a pretty much hated Hillary last time...I loved her but knew she should not run. Now this time we run a socialist. I am a socialist but I am smart enough to know that a socialist can not win over the stupid voters...they are mean and hateful and they are greedy and don't understand that it is good for us to share. Humans are not evolved enough to understand socialism.

[quote]Our whole country is so stupid and so conservative that they voted for the goddamn idiot that is in our White House!

Only about 22% of Americans voted for Trump. A larger percentage voted for HRC or third parties, and an even larger percentage didn't vote at all.

[quote]the Russians are eager for Bernie to be the candidate

According to the polls and the votes cast so far, it appears that the people are eager for Bernie, too.

But that doesn’t fit your agenda so you just ignore it and mention “the Russians.”

R103. Pete being erased is more ridiculous. Nate Silver actually dropping valuable insight below:

Warren is like Jo Swinson in the U.K. Social justice warrior campaigns are always big fat losers. Warren with all her pandering to trannies and her selfie lines just started to look ridiculous. She started to play directly to Twitter and now she polls at 5%.

Warren is like Jo Swinson in the U.K. Social justice warrior campaigns are always big fat losers. Warren with all her pandering to trannies and her selfie lines just started to look ridiculous. She started to play directly to Twitter and now she polls at 5%.

r22, you're a fucking jackass troll and deserve trump

R115, for the record I'm not a big bernie supporter - I'd prefer a less divisive candidate, but to say you'll spoil your vote means you side with trump, plain and simple

Bernie isn't the cuddly FDR kind of socialist people claim he is. He's a lapsed tankie. He's the kind of guy who praised the socialist state for creating beautiful subways for the public, with no care about all the people injured or killed while being forced to work hard labor. But then he realized that wouldn't get him anywhere in American politics, so he dropped his socialist authoritarian leanings to make himself more palatable to the Middle American public. Who even knows what he stands for nowadays, after the four years of screaming about M4A which was just shrugged off last week by AOC and others saying "eh who cares, Congress won't pass it anyway."

I wouldn't count anybody out at this point, and that includes Warren. I think there are lots of twists and turns ahead.

[quote] Sanders: lose 44 states maximum, 40 minimum. This is what some political scientists are predicting.

That’s so patently absurd. Sanders will win all the Hillary states at a minimum. No blue state is going to flip to red because of Sanders. A better case could be made that some Democrats will stay home if it’s a no-win Bloomberg vs. Trump matchup, giving Trump the victory.

It's the Pete haters who are going to get us stuck with Trump.

Well if NPR says it’s true, then it MUST be true!!

Yeah, the 1,416 people they polled out of over 300 million people in the US speak for everyone in the country.🙄

I can tell that Bloomberg is gaining traction because I've seen several different deplorable acquaintances sharing anti-Bloomberg posts the last few days. He seems to be replacing Biden on that front.

I will NOT vote for Bloomberg if the powers that be select him as our Democratic nominee

Like, it just ain't gonna happen. I'll vote for Biden, Buttitsagig, Klobuchar - hell, I'll vote for fucking Steyer, but I'm not voting for Bloomberg. The levels of shit (that are completely verifiable by virtue of the fact that most of it he has been caught on tape and video saying within the last decade) is unfuckingbelievab - le. I cannot comprehend how anyone in the Democratic Party (or the Independent, for that matter) can justify this man's words, behavior and actions.

He is no better than Trump and there is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise. He wears his mask better and tighter, I'll give him that, but he is an elitist, racist, homophone (especially, if as rumored, "he's in the closet") and I don't trust his ass. From extending his stay as Mayor of New York to a third term (hello Maduro in Venezuela!) to banning soda (Communism/Authoritarianism) to all of the vile things that have come out of his puny, decrepit mouth, this man is what is wrong with the establishment personified.

Yesterday I was conversing with a Dem and a Rep and in a moment of intense rage I actually said, "I'll vote for fucking Donald Trump if Bloomberg is forced on us!" I couldn't fucking believe that came out. I was shocked and disgusted by what I had fleetingly entertained. I won't go that far but I will not vote.

Years of smearing Senator Bernie Sanders for some of the craziest off-the-wall lies I've ever read, and you expect us to even entertain this douche bag?

It ain't happening.

I'm not sucking the dick of an equally racist, sexist, elitist, bigoted asshole like Bloomberg because he changed the "R" next to his name to a "D". It ain't happening, toots. And I'm one of MILLIONS that feel the same.

You'd better start defending our party from Bloomberg or you'll be sucking Donny Diaper Dump's cock too.

If the democrats select Bloomberg then we deserve four more years of Trump.

No heterosexual in this race can beat Trump.

My fantasy is Bloomberg at the debate tomorrow will be like ending to the Wizard of Oz. It will finally be revealed that the almighty and ‘benign’ New York billionaire alternative is really just another weak, whiny racist, misogynist self-important asshole making himself look large by standing on a step-stool.

For selling LGB down the river to the T, you deserve Trump no matter who gets the ticket.

[quote]Who even knows what he stands for nowadays, after the four years of screaming about M4A blah blah blah

I have a crazy idea! Why don't you go to Bernie's website and find out what he stands for! He's spelled out his policies in some detail!

His foreign policy, in particular, is far more detailed than anything Buttigieg or Klobuchar have come up with. I actually prefer Elizabeth Warren, but all of these comments about Bernie being a "socialist authoritarian" etc. etc. just show your ignorance more than anything else.

I am not voting for Doomsberg...

"Here's what Sanders, AOC and the Bernie Bros. have in store for America: If you own anything, a house, a car, furnishings, investments, whatever, it will no longer be yours because they're all symbolic of capitalistic greed. It will be confiscated in the name of the state and redistributed amongst the Politburo, i.e AOC and the Bernie Bros."

I'm not a Bernie fan but you have to be a freeper to believe this

Bloomberg is a fucking Republican. He has a long history of racism and misogyny. Ignoring that will ensure Trump’s victory.

Okay, sad BernieBro R130 whose fee-fees are hurt, you got your attention by altering what I said so you could pretend like I simply didn't know how to Google. Very cute. I hope your courage and wisdom in this trying time have finally made your testicles drop.

In the meantime, I would like to point out that everyone else knows exactly what I meant: that, like all politicians, what Bernie says doesn't necessarily reflect what he stands for. He'll argue for years about M4A being the most important thing in his platform, but the minute a union shows concern about losing their own hard-earned, negotiated health care, suddenly Bernie is sending out his surrogates to say "don't worry, M4A won't even pass Congress, just chill."

And don't act like you know anything about socialism if you don't even know what a tankie is, and stop acting like a know-it-all if you don't even realize that Bernie's old comments about the Moscow subway station have been making the news lately.

r133, you think Trump doesn't have a history of racism and misogyny?

I'm starting to realize that DL has been infiltrated by some real [bold]criminal[/bold] types... Some of them I have pinned and I'm just coaxing out lighting the match for reasons...

Some of them are recent pop-ups, heavily promoting Bloomberg.

I'm ready.

I believe Bernie can beat Trump, if only because he brings the BernieBros out to the polls in a way that makes up for lacking African American support. But there is no way he gets enough support in Congress to pass Medicare for all and I think much of his agenda is stalled. But he's still a million times better than Trump. If Democrats don't take action to get some constitutional amendments passed quickly, I fear the American experiment is doomed, or at least further delayed by a generation of power imbalance.

He can’t get the Bernie Bros out for the primary. Why do you think they will come out in the fall?

The Republicans are funneling millions into Bernie’s campaign.

I'm still not voting for Bernie in the primary, Bernie Bro OP. But you keep doing you.

[quote] believe Bernie can beat Trump, if only because he brings the BernieBros out to the polls in a way that makes up for lacking African American support.

Bernie is currently leading in African American support, many of whom are "Bernie Bros" per your mischaracterization.

[quote]But there is no way he gets enough support in Congress to pass Medicare for all and I think much of his agenda is stalled. But he's still a million times better than Trump. If Democrats don't take action to get some constitutional amendments passed quickly, I fear the American experiment is doomed, or at least further delayed by a generation of power imbalance.

The point of electing him isn't to get M4A passed; it's to have a REAL President of and for the people who will speak truth to power from within the highest office of the land and THAT, my dear, is what the establishment is afraid of. They know very well most of Senator Sanders policies will be blocked, though he has many he can and will executive order. They are afraid of being read to filth on a daily basis by a President Bernie Sanders. They know that if they let this happen, the tide will turn and the votes will, too, and their gig will be up.

Next!

R139 is a lying troll.

r139, I can buy that. I think a lot of the "Bernie Bros" are just Republicans trying to get people to vote for him because they believe he will lose to Trump

Bloomberg admitting Bernie can win. Why is he running again?

So r141 basically wants someone to shoot their mouth off loudly and get nothing done. Unsurprisingly, his candidate Of choice is Bernie Sanders.

R145 You must want someone who will molest women and (he WAS a friend of Epstein's) perhaps chldren, too; and he will traget blacks and latinos because they "don't know how to behave". You must also want someone who believes he is entitled to extending his term (Maduro in Venezuela, anyone?) and banning certain types of food and beverages (Communism/Authoritarianism()...

Are you one of the [bold]criminals[/bold] being paid to support him on here?

DL doesn't condone sexual abuse, bigotry or Communism/Authoritarianism.

good.

[quote] Are you one of the criminals being paid to support him on here?

😂😂😂😂😂 The BernieBots are over-the-top insane.

Thank good for Nevada and Hispanics that are bringing Warren back. Go Warren !!!!

Bernie campaign manager Faiz Shakir tells Vanity Fair that Fox News has been “more fair than MSNBC. Fox is often yelling about Bernie Sanders’s socialism, but they’re still giving our campaign the opportunity to make our case in a fair manner, unlike MSNBC, which has credibility with the left and is constantly undermining the Bernie Sanders campaign.”

Bloomberg is a racist and a Republican. I won't vote for him. I have never not voted, even for school board or for local sales-tax funding issues, but I will leave the option for president blank if the only alternative to Trump is Bloomberg. Nor will I vote third party if Tulsi decides to play spoiler.

These percentages don’t mean much now, as long as most opponents quit before Super Tuesday. Bernie’s opponents are splitting up the non-Bernie vote. Suppose Buttigieg and Biden quit after Nevada. Bloomberg will get 80% of those voters, putting him in the lead to sweep Super Tuesday.

If the field does not thin before Super Tuesday, that could really screw-up the delegate awards as opposed to the voters choice.

I fear they all think somebody else should go. I doubt Pete will give. He's got money. Biden has a super PAC... he might hang on. Don't know about Amy, Warren. Steyer could self fund.

Doubtful anyone is dropping out before Super Tuesday R152, especially since it is only 2 weeks away.

And especially since early voting has already started for Super Tuesday.

Buttboi isn't fit to run a lemonade stand, Bernie is just a bitchy old man, the Indian chief is a nut job of major purportions a and Biden is the poster child for Alzheimer's awareness. That leaves the mayor... Bloomberg as our only hope. Bloomberg's biggest problem is that he's a republican and slightly to the right of Trump.... And racist... And sexist...and maybe an assgrabber.... Depending on who is telling the tale. Trump has the same issues, of course, but Trump is a known idiot and that beats an unknown idiot hands down. I'm going to Vote for the orange clown.

the most disturbing thing about Bernie fans is that they good news every little piece of information they can find. they dont worry that Americans might not feel the exact same way they do (or that Bernie isn't at risk of being horribly damaged, even unfairly, due to past comments, positions, or alliances). my argument against Bernie is that hes done a lousy job reframing issues in order to appeal to moderate and swing voters. He doesnt care about that. It's almost Biden like. Show me a progressive issue, i can reframe it to appeal to concerned white male taxpayers. Bernie doesn't really do that. There is an art to politics and I'm not enthusiastic about what I've seen from him in terms of selling up as down.

[quote]Suppose Buttigieg and Biden quit after Nevada.

Keep dreaming retard. Pete has more delegates than anyone.

[quote] Bloomberg's biggest problem is that he's a republican and slightly to the right of Trump.

False and delusional. To the “right of tRump.” 🙄 On what issues, precisely? The environment? Immigration? Climate change? LGBT rights? Women’s reproductive rights? Education? 🙄

For the 1000th, well, maybe the 999th time, Sanders supporters need to ask themselves this: WHY IS DONALD TRUMP DEFENDING SANDERS multiple times on Twitter?

I love Trump's nickname for Bloomberg "Mini Mike". Trump has charisma in spades and if Bloomberg's the nominee, I'll be proud to cast my vote for Trump.

R160, Trump knows the democratic establishment is scared shitless of Bernie and will not in a million years let him be the nominee, even if he wins in delegates and votes.

R161, you spell very well for someone of limited intelligence.

R162, the 'democratic establishment' isn't "scared" of Bernie, they KNOW he'll guarantee FOUR MORE YEARS of Mitch McConnell blocking every piece of legislation in the Senate. Not that Sanders ever was able to pass many bills -- something like FOUR in forty years? -- but still. Nothing, NOTHING will get passed.

I look forward to voting the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination to Bernie Sanders.

At least the far left fringe will be destroyed when he loses. They’ll make excuses, but for most of the people duped by this shit, they’ll turn around and tell these commie shits to sit down and shut the fuck up.

I want Bernie, but I would vote for any of them -except Bloomberg. I will vote for Trump before I vote for MB. The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know. I know enough about MB that he is a soulless, cold hearted little monster. I despise Trump and I can’t believe I may be put in this position. England is probably quietly laughing at us. All that fuss over freedom and we sold out in the end.

Bernie and Bloomberg are tied in N.C. with Biden a very close third. Bernie loses black people and poor people here.

R167 is the political divider troll.

None of the Dem candidates are worse than Trump

R141 makes sense Miss Sanders would have to go the executive order route as Prez, not just because his proposals are verge on the too extreme, but also since he very evidently doesn’t know how to get any substantive legislation passed through Congress besides renaming post offices in Vermont.

Most unpopular qualities for a prez candidate in the new NBC/WSJ poll (combined reservations + very uncomfortable):

Socialist: 67% Heart attack in past year: 57% 75+: 53% Self-funder: 41% Under 40: 40% Gay/lesbian: 27% Woman: 14%

Feb 14-17, RVs, MOE +/- 3.3%

Bloomberg News' Jennifer Jacobs:

Iowa Democratic Party just posted results of its recanvass --

Buttigieg: 563.207

Sanders: 563.127

Thank god we can finally put to bed the idea that Bernie won Iowa and was CHEATED!

Thanks R165 / Robo-bot.

I'm not sure how Bloomberg will do in the debate, but the monotone will be monotonous.

So Pete lost delegates. He’s in a statistical tie with Bernie for delegates, and is buried by Bernie in actual votes, by 2,500+.

Bernie is the winner.

Why is no one talking about the fact that if Bloomberg were to be the Democratic nominee, we will have the option of choosing between two Republican racists for president. Republicans will have taken over, despite being the minority party. The American experiment will be dead.

I'm not sure I understand R176's definition of a revolution. I was promised a movement. Oh well R176.

There may never again be a candidate who came in 1st or 2nd in the first two contests and then immediately dropped to single digits. Buttigieg is making history.

R179 You’re catching on! The establishment couldn’t be that obvious in their electoral criminality so he’s stuck with a half-prop.

Remember, Bernie has supporters filming and documenting EVERYTHING regarding voting this time.

Btw, Bernie is requesting another recanvass. His team isn’t quite satisfied with the numbers as compared to the documented data (filmed, recorded, snapped) and is giving Iowa and the DNC a chance to be honest.

He COULD’VE and still can turn this into a big scandal. He hasn’t and I suspect he won’t. Still, he wants his earned delegates.

[bold]Now.[/bold]

And before there are apoplectic screeches of, “Paranoia!,” lest we forget Pete lost delegates per this recanvass he and Senator Sanders requested.

Why would he LOSE delegates?

R181, Link on the losing delegates? The Des Moines Register says they remain unchanged.

R182 Do the math.

Do the MATH, R183.

Pete lost SDE’s, hence:

[quote] Two weeks after the Iowa caucuses, an initial audit of the Democratic results...[bold] left [Sanders and Buttigieg] virtually tied in state delegate numbers.

Remember when the Democrats were so absolutely certain that Trump would never, ever win the election?

Better get your shit together, oh mighty Democrats . . . . . . . .

The Bernie cunts truly are delusional.

Leave Jessica Lange out of this

Bernie did not gain any national delegates. From the Des Moines Register article above:

[quote] As it stands, Buttigieg, the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor, has 14 of Iowa's national delegates and Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont, has 12, the Iowa party reported.

He's a 78-yr. old man with heart disease. He won't be a problem for long.

R26 You forgot cancer, too. :sigh: But he DOES have the money to buy his way into this election, as he’s doing so we must ignore his ailments.

I won’t:

Details: Bloomberg underwent a coronary stent placement for a blocked artery in 2000, and his doctor reports that he has undergone routine cardiac stress testing since then. In 2018, Bloomberg developed atrial fibrillation — a form of irregular heartbeat — for which he now takes a blood thinner. Bloomberg also takes medicine to control his cholesterol, in addition to a beta-blocker. Bloomberg's doctors says he has also had "small skin cancers removed, and is treated for arthritis and heartburn, both of which are well controlled." The letter also notes that Bloomberg "exercises several times a week and plays golf avidly."

Yeah Pete's basically over. He could be VP though, and then run in 2024 or 2028

R192. Nope what does he bring to the table , nothing. Him been gay is not enough. I hope someone more charismatic runs in 2024.

[quote] Nope what does he bring to the table

Positions that aren’t batshit crazy and moderates adore him.

R194. Healthcare for all isn't batshit crazy. I am more of a moderate on certain issues and I can't stand him. The only reason you like him is because he is gay just like you.

R151 is why Trump will win.

Blocked a lot of trolls on here. With Bloomberg as President, he may be a racist..he may not..but he cares about Climate change and Guns. That's enough for me.

R195 is the LSA freak who loves to troll DL calling people fags.

She's a homophobe. Terrible person. Somehow her belief in racism justifies her doing a variation of it against us. Low intelligence.

I can't even see what the nutcase posted because I already have her blocked from some previous thread. Everyone should f&f and block her too

Bloomberg: "(especially, if as rumored, "he's in the closet")"

Look, I've seen the things he's said to female employees, and believe me: That's a straight man. A repulsive, misogynistic straight man.

The Hill: A new poll shows former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) running neck-and-neck in South Carolina with billionaire activist Tom Steyer not far behind.

The poll, conducted by the Change Research for the Democratic group The Welcome Party, shows Biden and Sanders knotted at 23 percent support each in the Palmetto State. Meanwhile, Steyer is running in second place at 20 percent.

Only one other candidate, former South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, registered in double digits in the poll, with 15 percent support.

I love how the Warren supporters are crying about her lack of media attention when Pete is actually winning and they are ignoring it. And for the record I don't believe it's about him being gay. It's just that the media and the pundit class have decided that Pete is too young and inexperienced, while in the last election they went all in for a carnival sideshow freak who had never held an elected office in his life. Media bias is real. Just like Joe Biden is too old, while never mentioned Bernie's age or heart issues.

As for Warren, we all know that she did herself in. Why do smart people listen to jacked up advisers who always, always lead them down the wrong path?

R196, if Bloomberg is the Democratic nominee, it doesn't matter if Trump wins. We will have a choice between two Republicans and the American experiment is over. When other countries have elections with no alternative to the ruling party, we call it a rigged system, an authoritarian system, a failure of small-d democracy.

[quote] We will have a choice between two Republicans and the American experiment is over.

That’s such an easy accusation to toss out — and one that people love to use here repeatedly — without one shred of evidence to back it up. Explain, please, exactly which polices that he is advocating and running on that are Rethuglican policies? Immigration? Health care? Climate change? Guns? LGBTQ civil rights? Raising the minimum wage and pay equity? Tax policy? The environment? Women’s reproductive rights? I’ve searched through the plans for his administration, which are linked below. I’m hard-pressed to find Repuke policies in what he wants to do. His policies are squarely in line with those advocated by all the Democratic candidates.

But please, feel free to enlighten the rest of us.

R205, His record is as a republican. His "policies" are meaningless.

[quote] His "policies" are meaningless.

🙄 As expected. No real answer.

R207, Newsflash: They're ALL running on the same policies. It's his record that,'s important here.

[quote]I love how the Warren supporters are crying about her lack of media attention when Pete is actually winning and they are ignoring it.

The two things are completely unrelated.

Warren is being left out of polls, being left off of graphics on the news, and in one case her picture was replaced with Klobuchar's. It's not an accident, no more than all the times "Obama" was misspelled as "Osama."

The same thing happened to Pete once at least so you'd think you'd at least understand that it's a big problem. This shouldn't be about who you like, you should care that the media is hiding a candidate. You shouldn't want the media to do this to ANY candidate.

[quote]Why do smart people listen to jacked up advisers who always, always lead them down the wrong path?

Echo chamber. The candidate has a vision...unless they instruct staff tell me what you and mean it... they just hear what they want to hear.

Newsflash: I know.

[quote] His policies are squarely in line with those advocated by all the Democratic candidates.

Examples then of this Republican record. And, he’s already apologized for and acknowledged the error of stop-and-frisk.

[quote] His record is as a republican. His "policies" are meaningless.

Bloomberg is not my first choice, he’s not even my second or third, but if you want to talk about party affiliations let’s remember that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. As a matter fact, in this year’s election he’s running as both a Democrat (for President) and an Independent (for Senate).

Please pardon me for thinking the “he’s not a real Democrat” argument to be weak at best, at least when coming from Sanders supporters, which I think likely.

Bloomberg was giving money to multiple Republican candidates for office (and not moderate ones either) as recently as 2018.

Bernie may not be a Democrat, but he hasn't been actively supporting a party that's implacably opposed to the Democrats, either.

No argument there, R212. Neither Bernie nor Bloomberg are Democrats. That's why Democrats will lose if either of them are the nominee. They will each have a base of support, something like Trump's base of hard-core supporters. But no one else will vote for them, unlike Republicans, who rallied around Trump despite his repugnance.

Republicans like power above all else, hence the reason so many moralistic born-again Christians found a way to embrace a pussy grabber. Democrats like purity, hence we will vilify someone we agree with on 90 percent of the issues, because, say, like Bloomberg, he's a racist, or like Bernie, is good at complaining, but hasn't ever accomplished much.

[quote]But no one else will vote for them

This is empirically false. Polls consistently show Bernie defeating Trump in head-to-head polling, and the more recent polls show Bloomberg would beat Trump too. Obviously, right now, Democrats are perfectly willing to support Sanders, even those not currently in his base.

R215, those polls are national polls, which are generally meaningless, because blue states like NY and California count as they would without the Electoral College.

And those polls don't give purple swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, et al. the power they have because of the Electoral College.

WSJ: Bloomberg Bankrolls a Social-Media Army to Push Message

Campaign is hiring workers for $2,500 per month to promote Bloomberg to all their contacts.

They have to text people in their contacts once a week and post on social media daily.

When Sanders beats Trump, it's going to kill the Hillary fanatics to see him achieve what she couldn't do. It may kill Hillary herself.

Liz just seems frantic to me.