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A Manhattan village owned by black people was destroyed to build Central Park

White people doing what they do best and continue to do in modern day... then they question why black people hold anger toward them.

“ The community, called Seneca Village, began in 1825 and eventually spanned from 82nd Street to 89th Street along what is now the western edge of Central Park. By the time it was finally razed in 1857, it had become a refuge for African Americans. Though most were nominally free (the last slave wasn’t emancipated until 1827) life was far from pleasant. The population of African Americans living in New York City tripled between abolition and complete emancipation and the migrants were derided in the press. Mordecai Noah, founder of The New York Enquirer, was especially well-known for his attacks on African Americans, fuming at one point that “the free negroes of this city are a nuisance incomparably greater than a million slaves.”

Most landowners at the time refused to sell to African Americans. A white couple who lived in what was then a distant northern outpost of Manhattan was an exception, subdividing and selling off their land first to Epiphany Davis and Andrew Williams, two prominent members of the The New York African Society for Mutual Relief, and then to the AME Zion Church. More members of the African Society, whose purpose was in part to build black communities, followed suit and purchased land too. Slowly, houses were built. Some of them were rather grand, two-story affairs, with barns and stables, and some were modest shacks. The area was eventually anchored by three churches and a school.

Owning land in Seneca Village meant more than finding a refuge from the slums and violence of Manhattan proper. Buying property meant voting rights (at least for men), as laws in New York at the time required that all voters own at least $250 worth of real estate. Seneca Village probably had a more radical purpose, too, as a stop on the Underground Railroad. Prominent abolitionists such as Albro Lyons, later recognized as a conductor on the railroad, owned land and lived there. In fact, the African Society so instrumental in founding the village was reputed to have a hidden basement for hiding runaway slaves. And the name of the village itself may have come from a philosophy tract called Seneca’s Morals, a book that was popular with abolitionist activists.

As Seneca Village was building up, however, support for Central Park grew, driven by some of the same pressures that created the African American enclave. The tip of the island of Manhattan was overflowing with people. The slums were spilling over as more and more immigrants arrived, especially after the Irish potato famine started in 1845. None of these conditions appealed to well-off New Yorkers, who had already started migrating further uptown, or out of town, by the 1840s. Already, the Lennox family and other wealthy New York names owned swaths of land in the vicinity of the proposed park. Real estate developers easily foresaw the demand for an exclusive neighborhood bordering parklands.

More than three-fourths of the children who lived in Seneca Village attended Colored School №3 in the church basement. Half of the African Americans who lived there owned their own property, a rate five times higher than the city average. And while the village remained mostly black, immigrant whites had started to live in the area as well. They shared resources ranging from a church (All Angels Episcopal), to a midwife (an Irish immigrant who served the entire town).

But in 1857, it was all torn down.

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by Anonymousreply 177February 19, 2020 10:39 PM

Above 80th, on the West side... oh, Dear, they can have it back.

by Anonymousreply 1February 16, 2020 3:47 PM

Fascinating. Thanks, OP.

by Anonymousreply 2February 16, 2020 3:47 PM

[quote] A Manhattan village owned by black people was destroyed to build Central Park

Was Michael Bloomberg the Mayor at the time?

I wouldn't be surprised. That's totally something he would do.

by Anonymousreply 3February 16, 2020 3:48 PM

The generally ignored Edward Norton film MOTHERLESS BROOKLYN touches on the land grabs that made New York what it is. It was really fascinating and inspired me to read up more on the topic.

by Anonymousreply 4February 16, 2020 3:51 PM

Datalounge is the most racist White site on the internet outside of stormfront. They don’t care about this

by Anonymousreply 5February 16, 2020 3:51 PM

Only Asians, especially the Chines, have the intelligence, determination, courage, work ethic, drive, talent, confidence and diseases to get rid of the whites and to dominate the world in the future. It’s happening slowly but surely. The blacks don’t have what it takes to compete with whites on every level.

by Anonymousreply 6February 16, 2020 3:56 PM

To be fair, the British basically stole the entire island of Manhattan from the Dutch.

And the Dutch stole it from the Native Americans.

And the Russians and Chinese are now buying it all up from the Americans today for millions of dollars, and leaving the apartments completely uninhabited.

Funny how life works, huh?

by Anonymousreply 7February 16, 2020 3:56 PM

Almost every black American has a European surname. Is that the last name of a long ago 'Massa'? How weird to still carry the name of a slave owner.

by Anonymousreply 8February 16, 2020 3:56 PM

Someone please douse R6 in a GREASE FIRE.

And don't let the fire go out.

by Anonymousreply 9February 16, 2020 3:57 PM

OP stop trying to turn DL into Lipstick Alley. Fuck off with your "white people" racist bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 10February 16, 2020 3:58 PM

Reparations for all of those displaced.

by Anonymousreply 11February 16, 2020 4:01 PM

There were many more whites displaced by the building of Central Park than blacks.

by Anonymousreply 12February 16, 2020 4:04 PM

R3 = Joy Reid

by Anonymousreply 13February 16, 2020 4:05 PM

R11 Indeed

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by Anonymousreply 14February 16, 2020 4:09 PM

Remember when everyone thought the Japanese were going to dominate NYC in the 1980s? They were buying real estate and iconic buildings & everyone was freaking out. The movie Die Hard has a Japanese owned building in LA because everyone thought the Japanese were buying up american cities. There was a backlash against the Japanese & it was deemed racism, so films were portraying Japanese real estate owners as cool guys to offset the backlash.

Then Japan’s real estate market imploded.

by Anonymousreply 15February 16, 2020 4:10 PM

R15 It’ll be interesting once Coronavirus implodes the economy and the Chinese start liquidations on all their foreign properties.

by Anonymousreply 16February 16, 2020 4:13 PM

[quote] Datalounge is the most racist White site on the internet outside of stormfront.

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by Anonymousreply 17February 16, 2020 4:13 PM

This is a sad and too-much overlooked story, but several white communities were wiped out as well.

Check out the neighborhood of Weeksville in Brooklyn for an even older free black community that still exists in part - the original core of the settlement is now a "living history" museum.

by Anonymousreply 18February 16, 2020 4:15 PM

The Japanese do have what it takes but they are not evil and determined enuf like the Chinese. The chinks are as evil as the whites and they will win this time

by Anonymousreply 19February 16, 2020 4:15 PM

r10 Kill yourself faggot

by Anonymousreply 20February 16, 2020 4:20 PM

r17 You can look at the comments and call me a liar? A lot of you are also obsessed with LSA, a site full of Black women. Why the fuck would a place full of White gay men be obsessed with and have an insane hatred of Black women. I looked it up and there has never been a datalounge thread on LSA. They don’t know who you fuckers are yet you keep bringing them up and making racist comments. You’re all mentally unwell

by Anonymousreply 21February 16, 2020 4:24 PM

China most likely to become sole global superpower by mid-21st Century: Mitt Romney

"First, China becomes the sole global superpower -- economically, militarily and geopolitically -- by the middle of this century. Second, China's ascension will be disrupted and halted by internal turmoil," he said.

By PTI | Dec 06, 2019, 12.06 PM IST

WASHINGTON: China is most likely to become the sole global superpower by the middle of this century due to its "comprehensive, rigorous strategy to achieve global domination" and the United States' inaction, top Republican Senator Mitt Romney has said.

During his "Will China become the world's sole superpower?" address to the International Democratic Union, Romney said a dispassionate analysis of China leads to three possible futures.

"First, China becomes the sole global superpower -- economically, militarily and geopolitically -- by the middle of this century. Second, China's ascensions will be disrupted and halted by internal turmoil," he said.

Or third, China will be dissuaded from seekinga global domination and instead becomes a responsible member of the global order, he said.

"The first scenario is the most likely because of what China is doing and because of what we are not doing," Romney said. "China has a comprehensive, rigorous strategy to achieve global domination and the tip of its spear today is economic aggression," he said.

We are all aware of its practice of forced technology transfer from any company seeking to access its market, he said, going on to accuse the Asian superpower of "outright technology theft".

Romney, who was the Republican presidential nominee in 2012, said cyber spying and counterfeiting are vehicles for technology theft. One insidious vehicle for technology theft is China's Thousand Talents program, he alleged.

Predatory business practice is another dimension of its economic strategy, he said. Romney said China's path to domination is eased by what the west is not doing. "The only way a relatively small country like us can confront a much larger country like china is by linking arms with our friends," he said. "But rather than linking arms, we are shouting America First. We are squishy about NATO. We abandoned the TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership). Nationalism is all the rage. Like Russia, China understands the effectiveness of "divide and conquer," and we are merrily following their playbook," he said. The second scenario for China's future is a disruption due to China's domestic problems, he said. China's population and workforce will shrink a lot and they are addressing this by investing heavily in automation, said the former Governor of Massachusetts.

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by Anonymousreply 22February 16, 2020 4:25 PM

r8 It must be weird to know your parents wished you were never born.

by Anonymousreply 23February 16, 2020 4:26 PM

Black community: if you want to eliminate white race by 2050, you must corporate with your intelligent friend, the Asians. They will help you get back what belongs to you.

by Anonymousreply 24February 16, 2020 4:27 PM

R24, Asians, whether Eastern or Southern, will never cooperate with black people. Non-black minorities are, as a whole, racist towards black people.

by Anonymousreply 25February 16, 2020 4:30 PM

R8, Upon Emancipation, the US government was in a rush to register the newly freed slaves, so these former slaves had to quickly pick a surname. Many chose the surname of their former master or previous masters, others chose a person in history whom they admired, hence the ubiquity of the name Washington, others chose names from their known lineage, which were often Anglicized since foreign-sounding names were discouraged, and still others chose names reflecting their new status: Freeman or Freedman

by Anonymousreply 26February 16, 2020 4:36 PM

R25 not always. If they see you’re hard working etc. in Asian places they show respect. Look at Kobe. He is worshipped in Asian countries.

by Anonymousreply 27February 16, 2020 4:37 PM

An Irish neighborhood was pulled down, too.

I lived in middle income rental housing that was turned into luxury condos. NY has a very brief history of caring about its citizens, then it’s back to business as usual.

by Anonymousreply 28February 16, 2020 4:38 PM

r25 South Asians are the dirtiest and least accomplished chinks. Why do you think you’re better than anyone?

by Anonymousreply 29February 16, 2020 4:39 PM

Many of the Irish lived right next to or in the black areas during this time. They were hated by the “whites” more than most blacks were in this Country, and many black communities welcomed them, only for the Irish to be even more racist in the end to earn respect from the WASPs

by Anonymousreply 30February 16, 2020 4:39 PM

Let me guess: BernieBros are trying to blame this on Mike Bloomberg.

by Anonymousreply 31February 16, 2020 4:42 PM

r24 Black people don’t want to eliminate the White race you insane, racist gaping asshole.

by Anonymousreply 32February 16, 2020 4:42 PM

[quote] South Asians are the dirtiest and least accomplished chinks. Why do you think you’re better than anyone?

Do you know how to read? I said Asians REGARDLESS if they are Southern or Eastern are, as a whole, racist towards black people. And South Asians are c*inks, wtf?! You would probably point to Thailand if asked to point out where South Asia is.

by Anonymousreply 33February 16, 2020 4:42 PM

R6, in several threads, and many posts in this one, proves he’s a racist of the first order. I hope Bo Sinn fucks that tainted brain of yours out.

by Anonymousreply 34February 16, 2020 4:44 PM

1600 private landowners were compensated under eminent domain laws.

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by Anonymousreply 35February 16, 2020 4:45 PM

There's a lot of black history secrets that New York has that will get revealed pretty soon.

by Anonymousreply 36February 16, 2020 4:47 PM

Children, the entire country was stolen from Native Americans.

by Anonymousreply 37February 16, 2020 4:50 PM

Exactly who cares on this board ? Why don't you take that elsewhere ?

by Anonymousreply 38February 16, 2020 4:50 PM

And when traveling people always ask me is New York racist....?

child these comments is a clear description of exactly how racist NYC is

by Anonymousreply 39February 16, 2020 4:51 PM

Some claim that Jews and Koreans actually owned Seneca Village and rented the huts out to the inhabitants at exorbitantly high rates.

by Anonymousreply 40February 16, 2020 4:51 PM

The racists are why we can never have any mature, REAL convos on this site, and that is why this site is in the bad position it is in.

This site used to be amazing but now it’s bland and racists have destroyed it.

You can’t even discuss AMERICAN HISTORY without racism. Look at r38

Who cares about gay rights or history?

by Anonymousreply 41February 16, 2020 4:52 PM

I do like a leavening of reality along with the usual porn/instaho/timothee/anti-trans threads.

by Anonymousreply 42February 16, 2020 4:52 PM

R20 oh yes, there is one of the histrionic homophobic LSA NiBis who can dish it but can’t take it.

by Anonymousreply 43February 16, 2020 4:53 PM

R40 because people want to discredit blacks. Historically for over a century it has been known it was BLACK OWNED. But of course the white man wants to try and take even that away from blacks.

by Anonymousreply 44February 16, 2020 4:53 PM

White people are the worst the most evil ones. I’m glad that the Chinese will take over the world in the near future. Let’s devils control Satan

by Anonymousreply 45February 16, 2020 4:57 PM

Spell it out r43. I’ve never been on LSA and I’m not a woman.

by Anonymousreply 46February 16, 2020 4:59 PM

[quote]I’m glad that the Chinese will take over the world in the near future.

Let's see how THAT works out for you.

"China’s Ugly Exploitation of Africa—and Africans"

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by Anonymousreply 47February 16, 2020 5:01 PM

R45 Asians & Chinese love POC, it should be a stupendous time for POC being controlled by them. No need to pull a card or play on guilt, they’ll bring true equality.

by Anonymousreply 48February 16, 2020 5:01 PM

R45, I would argue Chinese from mainland China (not the immigrants) are a far bigger threat to the world than White people are. They are trying to own Africa as part of their Silk Road strategy and I really hope they don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 49February 16, 2020 5:01 PM

R45 is posting from Pyongyang.

by Anonymousreply 50February 16, 2020 5:02 PM

Ok Boris at R45. A little early to be inciting racial violence isn’t it?

Your grammar gives you away bitch.

by Anonymousreply 51February 16, 2020 5:02 PM

Whites are awful humans but so are Asians.

by Anonymousreply 52February 16, 2020 5:05 PM

r33 I refer to all Asians at chinks. South Asian countries are corrupt, filthy, and morally depraved. You’re referring to Black women as N*** B*** when you should be worried about the beaches covered in shit or the violent gang rapes in India. You have no right to put your nose up at anyone. Your people are disgusting. Europe sees your people along with those from the Middle East as an infestation.

by Anonymousreply 53February 16, 2020 5:06 PM

Then they ask why is there so much crime in the black community why don’t black rise up and have leaders and make something for themselves because when we do this is what happens over and over state after state

by Anonymousreply 54February 16, 2020 5:07 PM

R53, you are deranged--I don't know wtf you are talking about. I have never referred to black women by the n word. You are really messed up. And again--I said Asians as a whole are racist towards black people. That wasn't a compliment. I didn't think that needed explaining, but here we are.

by Anonymousreply 55February 16, 2020 5:08 PM

Methinks two packs of trolls are duking it out.

by Anonymousreply 56February 16, 2020 5:11 PM

Much more recently, an entire Mexican-American community was destroyed to make way for public housing that was never built. Instead we ended up with Dodger Stadium. There's even a play about it.

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by Anonymousreply 57February 16, 2020 5:13 PM

Asian power! Whites kill men, rape women and children, steal all the natural resources in other countries. It’s time to pay back.

by Anonymousreply 58February 16, 2020 5:16 PM

[quote]Whites are awful humans

But everyone wants to live with them.

Funny that way.

by Anonymousreply 59February 16, 2020 5:17 PM

R22 👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️

REALLY CANT WAIT

by Anonymousreply 60February 16, 2020 5:19 PM

China will replace the US as the world’s biggest superpower by 2030: UBS survey Scott Saloway

Yahoo FinanceJanuary 24, 2020, 6:59 PM UTC

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by Anonymousreply 61February 16, 2020 5:24 PM

R61, I don't know if it will happen that soon--China's growth rate has already slowed down. I think people made the same mistake with Japan in the 80s--people thought they would overtake America because they assumed their gdp would continue to grow at a fast rate. And then the 90s happened.

by Anonymousreply 62February 16, 2020 5:26 PM

[quote] China will replace the US as the world’s biggest superpower by 2030

Not if I can help it!

by Anonymousreply 63February 16, 2020 5:26 PM

Canada is waking up to China's quest for a 'new world order', says Japanese observer

'We and China have very different values and we need to keep this in mind' - Junya Nishino

Murray Brewster - CBC News Posted: 9 Hours Ago Last Updated: 2 Hours Ago

One of Japan's top academics says China is trying to create its own new world order — and leading Western democracies, Canada included, have started to look at their relationship with the rising superpower through that lens.

For the last several years, Junya Nishino's research has been focused on his country's relationship with South and North Korea. North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's outbursts gave him plenty to work on.

But it has been hard for the demure, precise professor of political science to ignore an increasingly assertive Beijing, its provocative actions and the amount of time and political energy being expended by Japan's leaders on the China relationship.

While acknowledging China is an "indispensable" economic power for his country and Western nations, Nishino said the policy of engagement based solely on trade and business interests has failed.

A 'very different' regime

"We have to keep in mind that China is a very different regime," he told CBC News in a recent interview. "China is not a democratic country. China is an authoritarian system. So we always need to pay close attention."

Since the 1990s, Western countries — with Canada in the vanguard — have pursued a policy of helping Beijing build up an affluent middle class through liberalized trade and investment, in the long-term hope that it would lead to a more democratic country.

Over the last several years, however, it has become apparent, in a variety of ways, that the Chinese leadership has no interest in moving in that direction.

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by Anonymousreply 64February 16, 2020 5:28 PM

Asians hate Black people but they seemed obsessed with Black cloture to the point of imitating hair styles?

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by Anonymousreply 65February 16, 2020 5:28 PM

China will cause the end of human civilization.

It is written.

by Anonymousreply 66February 16, 2020 5:30 PM

Asians don’t hate the blacks. The whites enslaved the blacks, killed their men, raped their women and children. They are racist. Blacks you have to do something about it because your race will go nowhere if the whites still survive. You know what I mean

by Anonymousreply 67February 16, 2020 5:31 PM

Why are you old fucks discussing China? You won’t be alive to see it.

by Anonymousreply 68February 16, 2020 5:32 PM

There will be NO Chinese superpower.

Mark my words.

America will be the last.

by Anonymousreply 69February 16, 2020 5:37 PM

R67 is fucking insane

by Anonymousreply 70February 16, 2020 5:38 PM

R69 and who the fuck are you? Should I trust you or educated economists?

by Anonymousreply 71February 16, 2020 5:38 PM

There will be many regional powers in the future--America, China, EU, etc. The era of one or two superpowers is coming to an end. There are many scholars who have discussed this topic.

by Anonymousreply 72February 16, 2020 5:40 PM

R72 EU is dying out, idiot. Have you read the news lately?

by Anonymousreply 73February 16, 2020 5:41 PM

Trust me or don't trust me, R71.

But you'll see.

China will not be a superpower, nor will they rule the world.

But they will most definitely bring about its demise.

by Anonymousreply 74February 16, 2020 5:42 PM

R73, no it's not. Britain leaving it isn't the end of the world.

by Anonymousreply 75February 16, 2020 5:43 PM

R74 we obviously don’t trust stupid people, darling!

by Anonymousreply 76February 16, 2020 5:45 PM

To get back to the original topic. Approximately, 1,600 people were displaced to make Central Park. The majority were Irish, including an Irish convent. Seneca Village was 30% white; so, only 150 or so African Americans. However, to read the history of Central Park, one would think that Seneca Village was the largest population displaced. If you go back and actually look at the newspaper reports and the cartoons of the period prior to building Central Park, it is nearly all anti-Irish propaganda (with a fair amount of anti-Catholic propaganda thrown in.)

by Anonymousreply 77February 16, 2020 5:45 PM

We'll see who's "stupid" soon enough, R76.

DARLING.

I'll bookmark this thread, so that I can throw it back in your face when the time comes.

by Anonymousreply 78February 16, 2020 5:47 PM

Blacks have suffered enough. Blacks, if you read this, you need to do something about the whites if they still live around you. You know what I mean. We, Asians, will help you.

by Anonymousreply 79February 16, 2020 5:48 PM

Europe is not dying, but whites are. They are the world minority and their number keeps declining.

by Anonymousreply 80February 16, 2020 5:51 PM

And the world may be a better place after.

by Anonymousreply 81February 16, 2020 6:16 PM

OP, let's get reparations to you ASAP!

KA-CHING!!!

by Anonymousreply 82February 16, 2020 6:25 PM

Please, Blacks... tell me more of your strife.

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by Anonymousreply 83February 16, 2020 6:29 PM

OP is triggered by the fact that now blacks look up to the intelligent and soon to be world leader Asians

by Anonymousreply 84February 16, 2020 6:30 PM

R84 yes and Asians won’t bow to the guilt mongering

by Anonymousreply 85February 16, 2020 6:32 PM

R84, you are trying WAY too fucking hard.

Seriously? ENOUGH.

by Anonymousreply 86February 16, 2020 6:32 PM

I’m outraged this happened and want Central Park destroyed.

by Anonymousreply 87February 16, 2020 6:37 PM

R84 you just keep going and going. You need help. You’re also all over that CB whore thread

by Anonymousreply 88February 16, 2020 6:37 PM

Someday, when the giant DL data breach happens, all the people saying the racist shit are going to lose their jobs when their real life identity is attached to their DL use.

by Anonymousreply 89February 16, 2020 6:52 PM

The racists think their shit don’t stink yet the minute anyone says something about gays they are up in arms.

by Anonymousreply 90February 16, 2020 11:00 PM

R90 Say it again.

by Anonymousreply 91February 17, 2020 12:01 AM

R90 the word “faggot” is ALWAYS the first dropped.

by Anonymousreply 92February 17, 2020 12:22 AM

It's an important article, but very sad. Thanks, OP.

by Anonymousreply 93February 17, 2020 12:54 AM

Very interesting,op. Broadway is an old trail the lenape used before europeans showed up.

by Anonymousreply 94February 17, 2020 1:10 AM

White people are not afraid of chinks. Chinese have no creativity or originality. They steal everything from whites and use totalitarianism to make it cheaper. Chinks have small dicks and are short and ugly as well.

by Anonymousreply 95February 17, 2020 1:16 AM

tbh, I’d rather jog through Central Park than a black neighborhood.

by Anonymousreply 96February 17, 2020 1:38 AM

R96 they were black Professionals who worked hard.

I hate racists!!!!

by Anonymousreply 97February 17, 2020 1:48 AM

r96 are you a transplant???

by Anonymousreply 98February 17, 2020 1:54 AM

r96,needs a brain transplant.

by Anonymousreply 99February 17, 2020 1:58 AM

[quote]Approximately, 1,600 people were displaced to make Central Park. The majority were Irish, including an Irish convent.

BLACK Irish. Duh!

by Anonymousreply 100February 17, 2020 2:30 AM

[quote]I’d rather jog through Central Park than a black neighborhood.

Agreed. And while we're at it, I’d rather jog through an Irish neighborhood than Central Park.

by Anonymousreply 101February 17, 2020 2:36 AM

R101 again, are you a transplant?

by Anonymousreply 102February 17, 2020 2:38 AM

Nobody corners the market on suffering, we're all in the same boat, and everybody dies.

by Anonymousreply 103February 17, 2020 2:38 AM

Minorities can r103. We all have stories to tell on what white people did. Funny.

by Anonymousreply 104February 17, 2020 2:45 AM

Yes, OP, holding a grudge from 1857 is a productive and worthwhile use of your time and energy.

by Anonymousreply 105February 17, 2020 3:04 AM

OP, why are your people so vengeful?

by Anonymousreply 106February 17, 2020 3:05 AM

I am OP and I am white. Who is “your people”?

Why are White people always committing massive crimes? There is the real question.

by Anonymousreply 107February 17, 2020 3:27 AM

F&F for yet another Russian troll starting yet another race thread on DL.

Fuck you, OP.

by Anonymousreply 108February 17, 2020 3:29 AM

R107 Bullshit. You start a thread all about how blacks have been wronged, completely ignoring Indian Americans, Jews, Mexicans, and Irish people, leaving comments all over your own thread calling white people evil and racist, saying things like, "the racists think their shit don’t stink yet the minute anyone says something about gays they are up in arms." So wtf are you doing on a gay site while you don't give a fuck about gays? You are black and straight, you fucking liar. The only people that are as obsessed with white people as you are blacks. Everyone else-Mexicans, Asians, Jews-mind their business in their own communities where they can help their people rise up and don't give a damn about white people. Black people, on the other hand, always have to look at what white people are up to. Why so obsessed? What if you took that same energy and use it to better your community, which is in serious need of help? You won't though, you benefit too much from Black Privilege to ever give it up, while Mexicans like me, Indian Americans, and Asians have to work our asses off. Focus on yourselves for a change!

by Anonymousreply 109February 17, 2020 3:56 AM

I'm Polish and white. My forebears lived in a country that was divided and conquered by the Mongols, Tatars, Cossacks, Nazis and Communists for over a thousand years.

by Anonymousreply 110February 17, 2020 4:00 AM

Blacks: when you read this, remember whites enslaved your people, whites kill your men, raped your women and children, whites stole everything from you. You are nothing if the whites live around you. You know what to do. We Asians will always support you to get back what you have lost to the evils.

by Anonymousreply 111February 17, 2020 4:00 AM

R111 yeah, until black people start to label Chinese colonists after Communism's grip begins to tighten.

by Anonymousreply 112February 17, 2020 4:07 AM

[quote] [R107] Bullshit. You start a thread all about how blacks have been wronged, completely ignoring Indian Americans, Jews, Mexicans, and Irish people,

Every time the Holocaust is mentioned. Are black people also mentioned. Every time Japanese internment is discussed. Are black peoples also discussed. No. Now please explain why you believe Jews, the Irish, Mexicans and Indians need to be included in a conversation about black people?

by Anonymousreply 113February 17, 2020 4:13 AM

r113 because they cant handle the story being about black people in a positive light. When a black person does well they hate it, look at their hatred of black people that are successful. They loathe them, but if those same black people were struggling they would hate them more.

by Anonymousreply 114February 17, 2020 4:18 AM

Black people make everything about themselves and milk slavery for all it's worth, that's why other minorities don't take them seriously. They never consider that other races in America had just as much a hand in America's founding as blacks. If you hear blacks tell it, America was founded the moment that slaves arrived, like in NYT's 1619 Project. What about the Spaniards who arrived in the 1500s (without slaves) and intermarried with the Aztecs, creating Mestizo Mexicans, and all of their other cultural achievements? Yes America was colonized, but so every other country on planet earth! And you gotta admit that Americans have it good, but blacks hate taking responsibility for themselves. They're too busy playing identity politics like the loser OP in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 115February 17, 2020 4:26 AM

[quote] Black people make everything about themselves and milk slavery for all it's worth, that's why other minorities don't take them seriously. They never consider that other races in America had just as much a hand in America's founding as blacks.

Black people make their story about them. Imagine that. White people make their story about them. Asian people make their story about them. Imagine that.

Other races have their own unique struggle. None of them are the same, except in the eyes of white supremacist. Who don’t acknowledge the struggle of any of them, unless their attempting to use one of them to diminish and dismiss the other. You transparent idiotic fools only mention Asians or Native Americans in a positive light when you’re shitting on black people. The rest of the time you’re shitting on Asians and American Indians too. Please save your faux advocacy.

As far as what other minorities. The majority of Asians and Latinos in the country arrived after the Civil Rights Movement. They played a role but one that was different than the role played by black people. Black people fought and died for equal rights. The other minorities owe black people a debt of gratitude. They have benefited more from the Civil Rights Movement, than black people have.

by Anonymousreply 116February 17, 2020 4:48 AM

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by Anonymousreply 117February 17, 2020 4:50 AM
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by Anonymousreply 119February 17, 2020 4:54 AM

Just another day of stupidity, ignorance, bigotry, racism and lots and lots of hypocrisy and double-standard on the DL elementary school playground.

by Anonymousreply 120February 17, 2020 4:54 AM

But more fundamentally, the movement established a principle of equal dignity and treatment that is still bearing fruit, not just for African Americans but for all people. Perhaps its major legacy is that a working majority of Americans are skeptical of any claim that a group should be excluded or disadvantaged; discrimination must justify itself, and, usually, it cannot.

The bitter irony is that African Americans have not enjoyed a full share of the social changes which they unleashed. Women as students, workers and political leaders have made great strides in just a few decades. Asian and Latino immigration has exploded; Latinos are now the country’s largest minority group. Homophobia as a legal policy is rapidly collapsing. But, because of current discrimination and the present effects of past discrimination, African Americans remain residentially and educationally segregated, over-incarcerated and under-employed. They are poorer, less healthy and otherwise disadvantaged not only in comparison to whites, but also in some respects compared to recent immigrant groups.

The truth is that it is not obvious that naked self-interest compels women, Asians, gays and Latinos to be concerned about the African American community. If the food stamp program is cut or affirmative action for African Americans is eliminated, for example, that likely will not reduce female participation in higher education or undermine support for gay marriage. And all of those groups suffered in their own ways and can take credit for fighting their own battles to win a place at the table. Nevertheless, African Americans do not enjoy basic equality in the sense of a full and fair shot to make it in this country. For all Americans concerned about justice, particularly those who would not be where they are, or here at all, but for the African American contribution to the principle of equality, this anniversary should be a reminder that there is important unfinished business.

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by Anonymousreply 121February 17, 2020 4:57 AM

R116 but America is not the black's story only. America's history is not all about them, for some reason blacks want rewrite history and make it their story. Other races have stories about America, too. America as we know it was founded when a Spanish explorer named Columbus discovered it, not when blacks became slaves. So don't try to twist what I said and say that "all races make it about them" because you knew what I was saying when I said it.

by Anonymousreply 122February 17, 2020 5:02 AM

The OP's article was interesting and worth sharing.

by Anonymousreply 123February 17, 2020 5:02 AM

[quote] [R116] but America is not the black's story only. America's history is not all about them, for some reason blacks want rewrite history and make it their story.

The Black American story is the Black American Story. American History includes many people’s stories, including black people’s. The Black American story, however, has often been excluded from American History. Which is what bigots like you prefer. OP’s one tiny bit of that history has produced one hysterical rant after another and you continue to ramble on nonsensically about other minorities. Black people are entitled to tell their story. As is everyone else. The problem is not that black people are misrepresenting American History or that black people are self centered. The problem is that Black people are still a marginalized minority population in this country and their stories have been omitted. And living in a predominantly white society does not afford minorities the same self centered delusions that it does whites.

Whites freak out when whiteness and white people are not the center of attention. Whites are completely confounded by anything that is not white centered. Instead of being honest about that. You continue on with your passive aggressive faux advocacy bullshit about Asians and other minorities.

by Anonymousreply 124February 17, 2020 6:02 AM

[quote]Why are White people always committing massive crimes? There is the real question.

Ambition, bitch.

by Anonymousreply 125February 17, 2020 6:10 AM

[quote]The problem is that Black people are still a marginalized minority population in this country and their stories have been omitted. And living in a predominantly white society does not afford minorities the same self centered delusions that it does whites.

The problem is that R124 truly believes that marginalization, discrimination, bigotry and racism happens solely to Blacks.

The problem is that R124 is woefully ignorant of the reality that ALL minorities are subject to the whim of the majority, whether that majority is White, Black, Brown or Yellow.

The problem is that R124 does not acknowledge let alone see their or the Black community's bigotry, racism, and hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 126February 17, 2020 6:11 AM

[quote] The problem is that [R124] truly believes that marginalization, discrimination, bigotry and racism happens solely to Blacks. The problem is that [R124] is woefully ignorant of the reality that ALL minorities are subject to the whim of the majority, whether that majority is White, Black, Brown or Yellow. The problem is that [R124] does not acknowledge let alone see their or the Black community's bigotry, racism, and hypocrisy.

The problem is that you are full of shit. I’ve already addressed your faux advocacy multiple times now:

Other races have their own unique struggle. None of them are the same, except in the eyes of white supremacist. Who don’t acknowledge the struggle of any of them, unless their attempting to use one of them to diminish and dismiss the other. You transparent idiotic fools only mention Asians or Native Americans in a positive light when you’re shitting on black people. The rest of the time you’re shitting on Asians and American Indians too. Please save your faux advocacy.

by Anonymousreply 127February 17, 2020 6:26 AM

[quote] The problem is that [R124] does not acknowledge let alone see their or the Black community's bigotry, racism, and hypocrisy.

Furthermore bigotry, hypocrisy and other human flaws are not limited to any particular race of people. However, since you don’t consider nonwhites to be fully human; you probably wouldn’t understand that.

by Anonymousreply 128February 17, 2020 6:30 AM

If I said it once...

12% population, 98% representation!!!

NOW!!!

by Anonymousreply 129February 17, 2020 7:15 AM

So history only starts with black people inhabited America? Bitch Please, shut the fuck up, we want our land back.

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by Anonymousreply 130February 17, 2020 7:31 AM

R113, People of European decent need to be included when they are part of he story. Seneca village was 30% white, yet most accounts of Seneca Village make is sound as if it was 100% black. Google "Central Park displacement" and numerous entries about Seneca Village appear. Virtually none about Pigshead (an Irish Village) or Mount St. Vincent's Academy. This is out of balance to historic reality.

To use your analogy of the Holocaust, it is like teaching the Holocaust by focusing on the the Roma/Gypsies. Yes, they were sent to concentration camps and even extermination camps. Yes they suffered under the Nazis, but basically, they are a footnote to the Holocaust.

1,600 people were displaced to make central park. The 150 African Americans in Seneca Village represent less than 10%. They are not representative of the whole story. Actually, if you go back to the newspapers of the time, you will find the most vile anti-Irish, anti-catholic propaganda. That is the true story behind Central Park, not Seneca Village.

by Anonymousreply 131February 17, 2020 10:41 AM

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by Anonymousreply 132February 17, 2020 12:16 PM

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by Anonymousreply 133February 17, 2020 12:28 PM

For an artistic approach to this story read the slim poetry collection My Seneca Village by Marilyn Nelson, which uses biographical threads and research to explore the different people and their stories from this community.

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by Anonymousreply 134February 17, 2020 1:03 PM

[quote] [R113], People of European decent need to be included when they are part of he story. Seneca village was 30% white, yet most accounts of Seneca Village make is sound as if it was 100% black. Google "Central Park displacement" and numerous entries about Seneca Village appear. Virtually none about Pigshead (an Irish Village) or Mount St. Vincent's Academy. This is out of balance to reality.

I and no one else here claimed that whites should not be included. I'm pretty sure most of us understand how history works, and whites being excluded is rarely a problem. Normally nonwhites are excluded. You're continue to argue that this is a part of some grand black conspiracy to write whites out. However, OP's article was actually written by a white woman and she mentions the whites population. She also mentions "scouring the archives" and an ongoing excavation. Sounds like the story is continuing to evolve.

You present yourself as an expert (self appointed and claim to have more accurate info (than the white author). Yet you did not cite your source for that demographic info.

[quote] By 1871, Seneca Village had largely been forgotten. That year, The New York Herald reported that laborers creating a new entrance to the park at 85th Street and 8th Avenue had discovered a coffin, “enclosing the body of a Negro, decomposed beyond recognition.” The discovery was a mystery, the paper reported, because “these lands were dug up five years ago, when the trees were planted there, and no such coffins were there at the time.” That’s unlikely, as the site was the graveyard of the AME Zion church. Researchers from Columbia, CUNY, and the New York Historical Society have been working on excavating the site of Seneca Village since the early 2000s. The work has been slow, with excavation starting in 2011.The only official artifact that remains intact on the site is a commemorative plaque, dedicated in 2001 to the lost village. A pervious version of this story misstated the name of Christopher Rush’s church.

[quote] At Timeline, we reveal the forces that shaped America’s past and present. Our team and the Timeline community are scouring archives for the most visually arresting and socially important stories, and using them to explain how we got to now. To help us tell more stories, please consider becoming a Timeline member.

by Anonymousreply 135February 17, 2020 1:09 PM

The problem is the tread title: "A Manhattan village owned by black people was destroyed to build Central Park"

It is false. Seneca Village was not owned by black people. And they are only a small part of the story.

And BTW: after the park was completed, displacement continued:

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by Anonymousreply 136February 17, 2020 3:35 PM

R131 the article does discuss white people that lived there, most of which were Irish and NOT CONSIDERED WHITE back then.

Stupid ass.

R136 many of the houses, churches and the school that were built there was black owned. Moron.

by Anonymousreply 137February 17, 2020 3:48 PM

[quote]many of the houses, churches and the school that were built there was black owned. Moron.

The moron is you.

There were some black property owners. But the statement; "A Manhattan village owned by black people was destroyed ..." is false.

by Anonymousreply 138February 17, 2020 3:55 PM

Whites own blacks, period. Always have. Blacks, you must do something about it. Stand up for yourself and get back what belong to you. They kill and rape your people for hundreds of years. Let our intelligent asian friends help you cuz we have always fully supported you.

by Anonymousreply 139February 17, 2020 4:36 PM

r139 Go fuck yourself

by Anonymousreply 140February 17, 2020 5:15 PM

Well, OP, considering the hundreds of neighborhoods and cities that had been historically European-American and were destroyed by blacks, this little town is really not even worth mentioning. Also, look at the outcome, European-Americans designed and built Central Park, one of the greatest urban parks on earth. On the other hand, all that blacks created were ghettos out of once thriving places.

by Anonymousreply 141February 17, 2020 5:58 PM

Here’s a short (6 minutes) video done by PBS that’s a nice introduction to Seneca Village.

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by Anonymousreply 142February 17, 2020 6:13 PM

R141 who started destroying others cities first?

by Anonymousreply 143February 17, 2020 6:28 PM

R143 Arabs?

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by Anonymousreply 144February 17, 2020 6:35 PM

And whites.

by Anonymousreply 145February 17, 2020 6:38 PM

Actually here is a much better and linear video about Seneca Village that just came out at the end of last month. YouTube recommended it to me after having found the earlier one.

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by Anonymousreply 146February 17, 2020 6:53 PM

Blacks are severely discriminated by whites who kill and rape their people. Only whites have the access to the good jobs with high salaries. You must change that and you certainly know how to. You both cannot coexist and one must be eliminated.

by Anonymousreply 147February 17, 2020 7:26 PM

[quote] Well, OP, considering the hundreds of neighborhoods and cities that had been historically European-American and were destroyed by blacks, this little town is really not even worth mentioning. Also, look at the outcome, European-Americans designed and built Central Park, one of the greatest urban parks on earth. On the other hand, all that blacks created were ghettos out of once thriving places.

Neighborhoods, communities, towns and cities crumble when the jobs and the opportunities leave. Poor whites in the south or in the rust belt didn't destroy their communities because they have white skin. Poor black communities aren't the product of skin color. Skin color does not create poverty and crime. Lack of economic opportunity does. Whiteness didn't create an opioid crisis. Lack of opportunity and a declining quality of life did. You go into any community and take away the jobs/opportunities that sustain that community. It will create the same result, poverty and crime. So know black people have not destroyed neighborhoods and cities. The ugly side of capitalism has. Black people were locked out of the government programs, that helped create and thriving middle class in the country. And employment discrimination and housing discrimination are as rampant as they were decades ago. That only 20% of black people currently live in poverty is a testament to the strength and fortitude of black people. Black people have been treated horribly in this country and unfortunately that trend continues. Whites spin these ridiculous fairy tales about boot straps. Socialism created the middle class not bootstrapping. Black people have ever been granted equal opportunities. Whites would rather bur this country to the ground and starve to death, than have racial equality. Which is why Trump is president and quality of life continues to decline for whites. Whites are destroying themselves and this nation.

Some of you have never read a book in your entire lives. You show up here believing that you are some sort of authority or expert. The reality is that most of you know very little outside of you own very limited experiences. Which is fine. As log as you don't go anywhere and open your mouth.

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by Anonymousreply 148February 17, 2020 8:23 PM

[quote]Skin color does not create poverty and crime. Lack of economic opportunity does.

It's the lack of the unrelenting desire to better one's self. The inability to work with others, to organize etc. If you want to, you find a way.

Asians without a dime know how to create communities and better themselves without asking anything from others and playing the victim and finding excuses.

And plenty of other peoples have too.

by Anonymousreply 149February 17, 2020 9:43 PM

The Jew Robert Moses destroyed many Christian neighborhoods and churches building his monstrous highways.

by Anonymousreply 150February 17, 2020 9:48 PM

R149 I know a Vietnamese family. The parents were boat people who came here with nothing and were dirt poor. They cleaned houses, toilets and worked in factories to finance their children’s education. Their hard works paid off. One now is a doctor, one is an engineer and youngest one is a chartered professional accountant. That’s called sacrifice 😳

by Anonymousreply 151February 17, 2020 9:52 PM

R151 but systemic racism!

It was an Indian village and black people moved in. GENTRIFICATION!!!!

by Anonymousreply 152February 17, 2020 10:10 PM

[quote]Whites spin these ridiculous fairy tales about boot straps.

You're so full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 153February 17, 2020 10:12 PM

[quote] You're so full of shit.

Its called socialism and it built the middle class. That black folks could be locked out of that (and the rest of what they face in this white supremacist nation) and still create some measure of success is miraculous. Again it is a testament to the strength and tenacity of black people:

To the extent that white Americans became middle class, it is through the credit infrastructure that was bolstered and sponsored by the federal government. Starting in 1934, there are all of these agencies and programs—the Home Owners Loan Corporation, the Federal Housing Administration, the FDIC insurance program—that loosened up credit and capital. All of a sudden, mortgage credit was abundant. Anyone could get mortgage credit. Blue-collar workers could afford a mortgage. A mortgage became much more affordable than renting in the city. So they all moved out to the suburbs.

The most important distinction for who could get these mortgages or not was race. They mapped out the country through racial zones. This was explicit, through government programs. This created the white suburbs, and created generational prosperity. It also created the black ghetto. The wealth gap existed before then, because of Jim Crow and segregation, but in the 20th century, these government credit facilities cemented the wealth gap for our generation.

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by Anonymousreply 154February 17, 2020 10:29 PM

[quote] [quote] It's the lack of the unrelenting desire to better one's self. The inability to work with others, to organize etc. If you want to, you find a way. Asians without a dime know how to create communities and better themselves without asking anything from others and playing the victim and finding excuses. And plenty of other peoples have too.

There are Asian populations who have been very successful in this country. There are also Asian populations who have not at all succeeded. Generally speaking of course wealthier or more educated immigrants fair much better. Having said that most of this country's Asians came after the Civil Rights Movement. Their history in this country is very different. As I already pointed out Asians and all nonwhites have benefited from the organizing and fighting and dying for equality that blacks people did. Yet in many ways others have benefited more from the movement, than blacks. And even worse they have often treated black people equally as bad was whites have.

A piece from New York Magazine's Andrew Sullivan over the weekend ended with an old, well-worn trope: Asian-Americans . . .

Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans. And at the root of Sullivan's pernicious argument is the idea that black failure and Asian success cannot be explained by inequities and racism, and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

"Sullivan's comments showcase a classic and tenacious conservative strategy," Janelle Wong, the director of Asian American Studies at the University of Maryland, College Park, said in an email. This strategy, she said, involves "1) ignoring the role that selective recruitment of highly educated Asian immigrants has played in Asian American success followed by 2) making a flawed comparison between Asian Americans and other groups, particularly Black Americans, to argue that racism, including more than two centuries of black enslavement, can be overcome by hard work and strong family values."

[quote] Since the end of World War II, many white people have used Asian-Americans and their perceived collective success as a racial wedge. The effect? Minimizing the role racism plays in the persistent struggles of other racial/ethnic minority groups — especially black Americans.

[quote] On Twitter, people took Sullivan's "old-fashioned rendering" to task.

[quote] "During World War II, the media created the idea that the Japanese were rising up out of the ashes [after being held in incarceration camps] and proving that they had the right cultural stuff," said Claire Jean Kim, a professor at the University of California, Irvine. "And it was immediately a reflection on black people: Now why weren't black people making it, but Asians were?"

[quote] These arguments falsely conflate anti-Asian racism with anti-black racism, according to Kim. "Racism that Asian-Americans have experienced is not what black people have experienced," Kim said. "Sullivan is right that Asians have faced various forms of discrimination, but never the systematic dehumanization that black people have faced during slavery and continue to face today." Asians have been barred from entering the U.S. and gaining citizenship and have been sent to incarceration camps, Kim pointed out, but all that is different than the segregation, police brutality and discrimination that African-Americans have endured.

by Anonymousreply 155February 17, 2020 10:44 PM

Many scholars have argued that some Asians only started to "make it" when the discrimination against them lessened — and only when it was politically convenient. Amid worries that the Chinese exclusion laws from the late 1800s would hurt an allyship with China in the war against imperial Japan, the Magnuson Act was signed in 1943, allowing 105 Chinese immigrants into the U.S. each year. As Wu wrote in 2014 in the Los Angeles Times, the Citizens Committee to Repeal Chinese Exclusion "strategically recast Chinese in its promotional materials as 'law-abiding, peace-loving, courteous people living quietly among us'" instead of the "'yellow peril' coolie hordes." In 1965, the National Immigration Act replaced the national-origins quota system with one that gave preference to immigrants with U.S. family relationships and certain skills.

In 1966, William Petersen, a sociologist at the University of California, Berkeley, helped popularize comparisons between Japanese-Americans and African-Americans. His New York Times story, headlined, "Success Story, Japanese-American Style," is regarded as one of the most influential pieces written about Asian-Americans. It solidified a prevailing stereotype of Asians as industrious and rule-abiding that would stand in direct contrast to African-Americans, who were still struggling against bigotry, poverty and a history rooted in slavery. In the opening paragraphs, Petersen quickly puts African-Americans and Japanese-Americans at odds:

"Asked which of the country's ethnic minorities has been subjected to the most discrimination and the worst injustices, very few persons would even think of answering: 'The Japanese Americans,' ... Yet, if the question refers to persons alive today, that may well be the correct reply. Like the Negroes, the Japanese have been the object of color prejudice .... When new opportunities, even equal opportunities, are opened up, the minority's reaction to them is likely to be negative — either self-defeating apathy or a hatred so all-consuming as to be self-destructive. For the well-meaning programs and countless scholarly studies now focused on the Negro, we barely know how to repair the damage that the slave traders started. The history of Japanese Americans, however, challenges every such generalization about ethnic minorities."

But as history shows, Asian-Americans were afforded better jobs not simply because of educational attainment, but in part because they were treated better.

"More education will help close racial wage gaps somewhat, but it will not resolve problems of denied opportunity," reporter Jeff Guo wrote last fall in the Washington Post. "Asian Americans — some of them at least — have made tremendous progress in the United States. But the greatest thing that ever happened to them wasn't that they studied hard, or that they benefited from tiger moms or Confucian values. It's that other Americans started treating them with a little more respect."

At the heart of arguments of racial advancement is the concept of "racial resentment," which is different than "racism," Slate's Jamelle Bouie recently wrote in his analysis of the Sullivan article. "Racial resentment" refers to a "moral feeling that blacks violate such traditional American values as individualism and self reliance," as defined by political scientists Donald Kinder and David Sears.

And, Bouie points out, "racial resentment" is simply a tool that people use to absolve themselves from dealing with the complexities of racism:

by Anonymousreply 156February 17, 2020 10:44 PM

You can tell who the Bernie Bros are by the long winded, convoluted 5 paragraph essays that say a lot while saying nothing at all in a very self righteous, vindicated tone. See R148 and R154 as examples.

by Anonymousreply 157February 17, 2020 10:44 PM

"In fact, racial resentment reflects a tension between the egalitarian self-image of most white Americans and that anti-black affect. The 'racist,' after all, is a figure of stigma. Few people want to be one, even as they're inclined to believe the measurable disadvantages blacks face are caused by something other than structural racism. Framing blacks as deficient and pathological rather than inferior offers a path out for those caught in that mental maze."

Petersen's, and now Sullivan's, arguments have resurfaced regularly throughout the last century. And they'll likely keep resurfacing, as long as people keep seeking ways to forgo responsibility for racism — and to escape that "mental maze." As the writer Frank Chin said of Asian-Americans in 1974: "Whites love us because we're not black."

Sometimes it's instructive to look at past rebuttals to tired arguments — after all, they hold up much better in the light of history.

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by Anonymousreply 158February 17, 2020 10:45 PM

R158 I didn't realize that wanting to go to work everyday and not getting into trouble without living off of taxpayer funded money is being a model minority.

by Anonymousreply 159February 17, 2020 10:49 PM

[quote] [R158] I didn't realize that wanting to go to work everyday and not getting into trouble without living off of taxpayer funded money is being a model minority.

But as history shows, Asian-Americans were afforded better jobs not simply because of educational attainment, but in part because they were treated better.

"More education will help close racial wage gaps somewhat, but it will not resolve problems of denied opportunity," reporter Jeff Guo wrote last fall in the Washington Post. "Asian Americans — some of them at least — have made tremendous progress in the United States. But the greatest thing that ever happened to them wasn't that they studied hard, or that they benefited from tiger moms or Confucian values. It's that other Americans started treating them with a little more respect."

At the heart of arguments of racial advancement is the concept of "racial resentment," which is different than "racism," Slate's Jamelle Bouie recently wrote in his analysis of the Sullivan article. "Racial resentment" refers to a "moral feeling that blacks violate such traditional American values as individualism and self reliance," as defined by political scientists Donald Kinder and David Sears.

And, Bouie points out, "racial resentment" is simply a tool that people use to absolve themselves from dealing with the complexities of racism:

"In fact, racial resentment reflects a tension between the egalitarian self-image of most white Americans and that anti-black affect. The 'racist,' after all, is a figure of stigma. Few people want to be one, even as they're inclined to believe the measurable disadvantages blacks face are caused by something other than structural racism. Framing blacks as deficient and pathological rather than inferior offers a path out for those caught in that mental maze."

Petersen's, and now Sullivan's, arguments have resurfaced regularly throughout the last century. And they'll likely keep resurfacing, as long as people keep seeking ways to forgo responsibility for racism — and to escape that "mental maze." As the writer Frank Chin said of Asian-Americans in 1974: "Whites love us because we're not black."

Sometimes it's instructive to look at past rebuttals to tired arguments — after all, they hold up much better in the light of history.

by Anonymousreply 160February 17, 2020 10:54 PM

[quote] [R158] I didn't realize that wanting to go to work everyday and not getting into trouble without living off of taxpayer funded money is being a model minority.

generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities; for example, Bhutanese-Americans have far higher rates of poverty than other Asian populations, like Japanese-Americans. And at the root of Sullivan's pernicious argument is the idea that black failure and Asian success cannot be explained by inequities and racism, and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

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by Anonymousreply 161February 17, 2020 10:56 PM

Implications of the Model Minority Myth

The idea of the model minority is used to argue that Asian Americans have achieved the American Dream. This is done using data comparing averages of education level, median family income, and marital status between Asian Americans and whites. This methodology is inaccurate. It fails to recognize the different experiences of different ethnic groups, and the challenges they face. Instead, it homogenizes different ethnic identities, namely ignoring Southeast Asian American populations like Thai, Vietnamese, Hmong, Laotian, and Cambodian people. A breakdown of college degree attainment by Asian ethnic groups shows that Cambodians, Hmongs, and Laotians have a rate of less than 9.2% while Chinese, Filipinos, Japanese, and Koreans are above 40%. A large reason for this is that since 1975, over 1.2 million Southeast Asian refugees entered the US to escape political turmoil. They are the largest refugee group in US history. This influx of Southeast Asian refugees coupled with the lack of resources devoted to them due to the model minority myth makes it extremely difficult for these groups to access needed services.

In academia, for example, many teachers assume Asian American students do not need the aid of teachers and counselors, or other support programs such as bilingual education or mental healthcare. This assumption leads many students to be afraid to ask for help, despite continuing to face immense pressure to succeed.

Another example of how the model minority stereotype has real consequences: many refugees and immigrants leave their home countries, fleeing from extreme violence, and the effects of this trauma are left unaddressed due to assumptions about who needs mental healthcare. AAPI communities are often neglected by school counselors or mainstream mental health advocates, which can have a lasting impact.

Disturbingly, the model minority myth is designed to pit minority groups against each other. Model minorities are often directly contrasted with other minority groups, especially Black Americans, to emphasize their “failings”. The perception of the existence of a model minority group implies that other groups are at fault for falling short of achievement or assimilation into “American” (white) culture. Some argue that government intervention or targeted support is not needed to address racial/ethnic socioeconomic inequalities since Asian Americans, broadly defined, achieved success without government aid. This of course ignores the different histories of each minority group and inaccuracies in data aggregation. It presents racism as a problem that falls on the individual, minimizing the role structural racism and anti-Blackness continues to play today. It shifts the accountability away from the oppressor to the oppressed.

The truth is, we are all harmed by white supremacy. Rather than competing in “oppression Olympics,” let’s each work to confront our own biases and the ways we have internalized racist messages in the media and pop culture, so that we can build true solidarity in the fight against racism and other systems of oppression.­­

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by Anonymousreply 162February 17, 2020 11:00 PM

Has anyone written a speculative fiction about the USA as if the African Slave Trade had never happened? I wonder what this country would have looked like if that had happened?

by Anonymousreply 163February 17, 2020 11:01 PM

All minorities including blacks must work together to eliminate the common problem: whites. Get rid of them one by one

by Anonymousreply 164February 17, 2020 11:14 PM

[quote]and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

Dear, we've been hearing this for decades.

It's 2020, not 1958 or whatever.

Your loser mentality "these ridiculous fairy tales about boot straps" help no one.

by Anonymousreply 165February 17, 2020 11:28 PM

[quote]and that they are one and the same; this allows a segment of white America to avoid any responsibility for addressing racism or the damage it continues to inflict.

Yeah, right. As if all of the various affirmative action programs and other social programs designed to help never happened.

by Anonymousreply 166February 17, 2020 11:35 PM

[quote]let’s each work to confront our own biases and the ways we have internalized racist messages in the media and pop culture, so that we can build true solidarity in the fight against racism and other systems of oppression.­­

Good luck with that.

Since that's never going to happen, what you have to do is come to the realization that you're the captain of your own ship.

by Anonymousreply 167February 17, 2020 11:42 PM

Blacks targeted white-owned business during riots in New York (and across the country over the years as they are want to do). They destroyed hundreds of white-owned business and destroyed hundreds or thousands of white-owned buildings over the years. Perhaps the worst example of black destroying neighborhoods was the 1977 blackout. A fucking blackout! And they wonder why no one wants to live with them.

by Anonymousreply 168February 17, 2020 11:44 PM

interesting, r162

by Anonymousreply 169February 18, 2020 12:35 AM

R162 👍👍

by Anonymousreply 170February 18, 2020 4:16 AM

Asians don't resent whites or Mexicans. That's where the so called model minority comes from. Whites and Mexicans can't live and work with people (Blacks) who hate them. Simple.

by Anonymousreply 171February 18, 2020 4:48 AM

Asians are generally nicer people than other races.

by Anonymousreply 172February 18, 2020 4:54 AM

[quote]Blacks are severely discriminated by whites who kill and rape their people. Only whites have the access to the good jobs with high salaries. You must change that and you certainly know how to. You both cannot coexist and one must be eliminated.

Black people are slowly eliminating themselves.

by Anonymousreply 173February 19, 2020 2:39 AM

[quote] as they are want to do

Wont, not want.

Wont: ADJECTIVE literary (of a person) in the habit of doing something; accustomed.

"he was wont to arise at 5:30 every morning"

synonyms: accustomed · used · given · inclined · in the habit of

by Anonymousreply 174February 19, 2020 4:01 AM

White privilege is not earned, it is conferred at birth. White privileged is well deserved.

by Anonymousreply 175February 19, 2020 8:58 PM

Just as we can’t generalize “all Asians” or “all Latinos”, we can’t paint “all blacks” as victims.

But you’re going to go ahead and do it, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 176February 19, 2020 10:15 PM

[quote]Just as we can’t generalize “all Asians” or “all Latinos”, we can’t paint “all blacks” as victims. But you’re going to go ahead and do it, anyway.

Funny how you left out whites. I guess it's ok to generalize about them. Right?

by Anonymousreply 177February 19, 2020 10:39 PM
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