Sanders Leads Biden In Texas

^oh dry up op

Agree, OP. We're done.

I won’t vote for this psycho. He’s the Left’s version of Trump. One extremist to another.

Leading in Nevada and nearly everywhere else now. It’s over.

Voter turnout for Dems is going to be abysmal, with this shithead as the nominee. We're going to lose EVERYTHING.

I don't know OP. Never in a million years would I have thought that Americans would elect a black guy with a Muslim name and yet they did, twice.

Americans are capable of surprising things

Hold your horses till super Tuesday.

Sanders needs to win 51% of all DELEGATES if he is to be the unilateral first ballot nominee.

Polling at 25% won't get him there even if he is 2% ahead of Biden.

It's the DELEGATES, stupid!

Democrats are so fucking stupid these days. I’m about to not consider myself one anymore if this old fucker becomes nominee.

I wish everyone in Texas would still just write in Beto.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Sanders will be like Trump was in the 2016 Republican primaries. The Republican establishment didn't want Trump, but as Trump kept racking up primary victories, they were powerless to stop him. It will be the same for the Democrats this year with Sanders. And if Bernie is leading the pack going to the Democratic convention, the party won't dare betray the voters by installing someone else as the nominee.

I won’t vote for him unless Pete is his running mate.

I'm in Texas and we start early voting on Tuesday. I have no idea who may actually win here, but I'm not voting for Bernie. However, Texas Democrats are stupid and continue to run the most unelectable candidates. Based on that, Bernie's probably got it in the bag.

R10 I didn't think that could happen this year, and was sure Biden or Warren would emerge as the clear front-runner sooner rather than later. I still wonder about Biden, but am probably wrong. Volatile times.

People need to wait until Super Tuesday.

As Stacy Abrams pointed out, the base of the Democratic party has not been allowed to speak yet - Iowa and NH are white as fuck and not representative of the party as a whole. They're being allowed to very unfairly set the tone.

I'm telling you right now that Bernie will not carry California, and our primary is coming up soon. He pissed off the culinary union in NV, and that's deadly. Wait until some browner states get to speak. Bernie is not a foregone conclusion in the least.

I don't know if Bernie or Pete will be our candidate, but Biden and Warren might just as well head home and drink excessive amounts of firewater. Read the smoke signals, those two are over.

Bernie has the rich shaking in their boots. I can't wait until Bloomberg realizes he spent all that money and he still lost. Bernie's gonna tax the scum bastard out the ass.

GO BERNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote]And if Bernie is leading the pack going to the Democratic convention, the party won't dare betray the voters by installing someone else as the nominee.

Gad you are a moron.

It's the DELEGATES, stupid.

If Bernie has, say, a third of the delegates, (which is a huge overstatement) and the other 4 candidates have 2/3 of the delegates bet your god damned silly ass that that NOBODY will swing their votes to a NON-DEMOCRAT to put him over 51%.. This is not a general election where even the will of the people is subordinate to the Electoral College, but a primary race. A race that Bernie worked with the DNC to get rules HE approved. Bernie fucked himself when he thought that 2020 was going to be a two-horse race like 2016. And if it goes to a second ballot, HELLO SUPER DELEGATES. Bye, bye Bernie.

You know who knew that it was going to be different?

Tom Perez.

Genius.

We shell see what happens Super Tuesday.

Not all polls are created equal.

Unless Bernie can pull in well over one-third of the delegates, a simple plurality will likely be overridden by the rest of them, whether the Bernie Bros like it or not.

Pete's plan really backfire.

He was told throughout last year not to neglect the Southwest because that would be his path. He neglect it in favor of the Southeast and now he is fucked. He was never going to win the black vote, and now he is not going to get the West either.

Ughh! Pete we told you !!!

[QUOTE]He was told throughout last year not to neglect the Southwest because that would be his path. He neglect it in favor of the Southeast and now he is fucked

The Southwest? Bitch ,please...!Mexicans will never vote for a gay man.

As I understand that he hasn't neglected Nevada at all!

r20. They're more likely to vote for a gay man than blacks are.

R21, he definitely neglected Nevada even though his big break was in Nevada in May of 2019.

He had a major endorsement from the Latin Chamber in Las Vegas today.

He is the only candidate who speaks Spanish.

He is splitting his time in NV between NV and CA. He is doing a Super Tuesday two-fer.

He is brilliant.

And remember, he knows he doesn't have to "win" a state, just pick up a respectable # of delegates.

He is worst in California were he only has 16 staffers in the whole darn state! His campaign manager should be fired.

If He doesn't get any significant delegates from Nevada, Texas, and California, he is as good as gone.

Nobody is going anywhere but to the convention in Milwaukee.

Even if Amy had only one delegate, she would be a player in Milwaukee.

People I expect to drop out after Super Tuesday: Amy, Pete, and Steyer.

Then we shall see r27.

Pete did spend far too much time in Iowa and it was wasted, he had to share his win with Bernie. The only winner out of Iowa was Bloomberg and he has never set foot in Iowa.

R17 writes,

[quote] If Bernie has, say, a third of the delegates, (which is a huge overstatement) and the other 4 candidates have 2/3 of the delegates bet your god damned silly ass that that NOBODY will swing their votes to a NON-DEMOCRAT to put him over 51%.. This is not a general election where even the will of the people is subordinate to the Electoral College, but a primary race. A race that Bernie worked with the DNC to get rules HE approved. Bernie fucked himself when he thought that 2020 was going to be a two-horse race like 2016. And if it goes to a second ballot, HELLO SUPER DELEGATES. Bye, bye Bernie.

Let’s say Bernie Sanders wins 47 or 48 percent of the delegates.

The second-place candidate wins 27 or 28 percent.

The remaining 25 percent combine for remaining candidates.

Let’s say Bernie Sanders wins the primaries and caucuses of at least 35 states, including Top 10 populous states Michigan (a hold from 2016) and pickups in California, Texas, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, and North Carolina.

And let’s say, when it comes to the national votes of the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries, Bernie Sanders wins more votes than all others.

Do you think the DNC superdelegates will tell the people in at least 35 states, including those Top 10 populous states, that their vote does not count—and that the DNC will make someone else the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee?

This is when his inexperience showed. California is such an important state for Pete, but to only have 16 paid staffers a few weeks from the largest state primary in the calendar is unforgivable.

Pete is endorsed by California Lt. Governor.

Besides, I suspect Pete does not look good in a jockstrap.

Time for Pete to hit the strip clubs in West Hollywood and earn those votes baby.

Sorry Pete. We do things differently in the West.

[quote]Let’s say Bernie Sanders wins 47 or 48 percent of the delegates.

Bernie has shown NO propensity for getting anywhere close to 30%. And nobody is dropping out. Amy was recharged by a THIRD place delegate win. Elizabeth won't drop out and leave the entire progressive wing to Bernie, Pete has a boat load of cash and is outperforming expectations and Joe is in it for Beau. Everyone of them dividing up the delegates on the way to Miilwaukee.

[quote]Do you think the DNC superdelegates will tell the people in at least 35 states, including those Top 10 populous states, that their vote does not count

No, actually it will be Bernie who takes credit for the Super Delegates as he negotiated the Super Delegate rules this past two years with the DNC. He did this, because he knows they do not see him as a Democrat. I can see the SDs putting their weight behind Biden at the Convention if the Candidates do not chose who the Nominee is from the four of them on the first ballot.

[quote] Pete did spend far too much time in Iowa and it was wasted, he had to share his win with Bernie.

Pete won, dipshit.

[quote] Gad you are a moron. It's the DELEGATES, stupid.

Oh, fuck off. I know it's about the DELEGATES. I know how the process works. And I stand by my original point: If Bernie has more votes than any other candidate going into the convention, the delegates won't dare install someone else as the nominee. As disastrous as Bernie might be as the nominee, it would be even more disastrous if the party ignores the will of the voters and selects its own choice. It would be a PR nightmare, would invite charges that the whole primary process was a sham, and would cause all of Bernie's supporters to stay home in November. R30 has it right. If Bernie wins the primaries in most of the big, important states, the party won't dare pick someone else., as much as they might want to The time for the party to try to stop Bernie is NOW, BEFORE most of the primary votes have been cast, not after the primaries have ended.

[quote] Amy was recharged by a THIRD place delegate win.

Recharged??? Amy is still polling in single digits nationally. She finished fifth in Iowa, a neighboring state that was tailor made for her. If she can't place better than fifth in neighboring Upper Midwest states, where can she possibly win?

[quote] Elizabeth won't drop out

She will if she can't win any states. If she can't finish better than fourth in neighboring New Hampshire, where can she win?

[quote] Joe is in it for Beau

Unless dead Beau is giving his father money, Joe will be forced to drop out if he can't turn things around. Joe can't stay in the race if he doesn't have the money.

[quote] I can see the SDs putting their weight behind Biden at the Convention

If the SDs put their weight behind Biden after a primary season where he ran a lackluster campaign and consistently underperformed expectations, they'll be courting disaster.

R36, Yes but he did not get the "Iowa Bump: that the winner usually gets. He had to share headlines with Bernie and the winner wasn't announced.for days. By then, the people were over jt.

God help us all.

I'm sure he could've predicted that, R38. I mean, that happens every election cycle, right? He had to focus on Iowa and NH. He's an unknown. Without strong showings in these 2 states, he would've been toast.

Bloomberg will be the nominee, as the moderates look to him to save the party from the idiots and avoid disaster.

The media would probably be in favor of that. They're probably already jizzing their pants over the possibility of a NYC vs NYC showdown. What will they call it? A subway series.

Idiots.

Liz, like Joe, is in denial.

Actually Pete has some sort of ground game in South Carolina, at least among the estimated 40% white voters that no one cares to acknowledge exists. Amy,... not so much...

r10 r37 we shall see after Super Tuesday.

If push comes to shove, Pete can always run for Mayor of Los Angeles.

If you ask me, all Pete needs to do to win universal support is to leak a sex tape of him with a black rapper.

R24 For the last time, we don't care if a candidate speaks conversational Spanish or how many Goya cans they keep in their pantry. Like it or not the only candidate who consistently polls well among latinos is, say it with me real slow now: Bernie.

And what had Bernie done for them that the other's haven't.

He has holdover from the 2016.

It will b e tested.

[quote] Sanders will be like Trump was in the 2016 Republican primaries. The Republican establishment didn't want Trump, but as Trump kept racking up primary victories, they were powerless to stop him. It will be the same for the Democrats this year with Sanders. And if Bernie is leading the pack going to the Democratic convention, the party won't dare betray the voters by installing someone else as the nominee.

I agree with this. If the moderate Dems install someone against the people's wishes by racking up the delegates against Bernie, we have another Hilary fiasco on our hands and Trump will be voted in.

There is no one I am really excited about, the only thing I am exited about is to kick that fucking egotistical shithead Orange POS out of office.... so if Bernie ends up being the Dem nominee, so be it, I'll vote for him.

The DNC wont let Bernie be the nominee.

They're not idiots.

Why would they indulge him and his rabid base with losing the Presidency and likely both Houses.

They'll get together in the end and come up with one moderate. They know they can do this because Sanders cant get above 30% in the end. There is no danger of him getting a majority.

R48 "Done for them"? You think that's how presidential elections are decided? The message and his pledges resonate, that's what actually matters and that is reflected by the polls. I don't even care if the candidate is Bernie or Biden, but these are just the facts and you're just gonna have to deal with it.

See you Super Tuesday r51.

And Trump is SCREWED.

BTW, he's only 78 and if he drops dead and his V.P. pick has to be President, that's a hell of a lot better than the Trumpster Fire or Dick Cheney running everything.

What is hurting Pete, Amy, and now Biden is that they are trying to win the West with Rustbelt politics.

These are states where universal healthcare and free public education are desirable. I was taking a look at Pete and realized how foreign his politics sounded in California. It's like he was still in Iowa and didn't realize he was no longer in the Rustbelt.

It is pretty like Trump & Sanders will both be dead by November (as well as lots of other people) from the coronavirus.

[quote] The DNC wont let Bernie be the nominee. ... They'll get together in the end and come up with one moderate.

They need to do that NOW. In fact, it may already be too late. The time to stop Bernie was before he entered the race. If he is going to be stopped, it has to be before he has racked up a string of primary state victories. And certainly not at the convention. If Bernie is the leading candidate going into the convention, but the delegates install a moderate instead, it will piss off Bernie's supporters and confirm all of their suspicions that the DNC is corrupt and the whole process was rigged against Bernie from the start. The convention will be a disaster. The Bernie bros will take to the streets, and none of them will vote in November. The media narrative will be that the Democrats are undemocratic and ignored the will of their own base.

[quote]The DNC wont let Bernie be the nominee. ... They'll get together in the end and come up with one moderate.

Just like they did in 2016. And that turned out splendidly.

R56 The BernieBros wouldn’t vote for anybody but Bernie anyway they can’t be trusted.

The DNC needs to stop giving the tantrum throwing Bros attention and go after the moderate voters of either party. There's a lot more of THOSE people than there are of the far right or far left. If they continue to tip-toe around garbageman Sanders and his human waste supporters then we'll lose everything: the House, Senate and chance of taking the presidency.

They way most of America and the world views Trump and his ignorant, rabid followers will be the way they detest and look down on Bernie and his Bros, because they are just as batshit, childish and destructive.

If Bernie isn't the nominee, it's his own fault because he worked hand-in-glove with the DNC for the past two years on the Debate and Rules Committees. They went out of their way to accommodate him. Holding the Super Delegates to the Second Ballot was directly due to HIM.

This Democratic Primary is being run on BERNIE'S RULES.

If anyone rigged the nomination IT IS BERNIE.

But poor little guy, he never anticipated a strong field of 5 candidates slicing up the delegate pie.

I live in Virginia. We vote Super Tuesday. I have heard from only one candidate. Two phone calls - from a real person. Several mailings. And one person at my door.

The candidate? Michael Bloomberg. And the people on the phone and the front door were not the usual obnoxious campaign workers. They hadn't memorized anything - just talked easily. I haven't heard a thing from any other candidate.

r61, this is what happens when you have unlimited funding.

Surprised he didn't give you an Uber voucher or a toll free transport number for the day of voting.

Did Bernie really say he would consider Tulsi as a running mate? What a fool, if so.

Sanders/Gabbardi ticket: Russian Kompromat Democratic Style.

[quote]Did Bernie really say he would consider Tulsi as a running mate?

No.

R35 writes,

[italic]In response to: “Let’s say Bernie Sanders wins 47 or 48 percent of the delegates.”[/italic]

[quote]Bernie has shown NO propensity for getting anywhere close to 30%. And nobody is dropping out. Amy was recharged by a THIRD place delegate win. Elizabeth won't drop out and leave the entire progressive wing to Bernie, Pete has a boat load of cash and is outperforming expectations and Joe is in it for Beau. Everyone of them dividing up the delegates on the way to Miilwaukee.

As of February 17, 2020, we have seen two states—Iowa and New Hampshire—hold their contests. The popular vote in both states was won by Bernie Sanders. The percentage of the vote is not the point. His winning the popular vote in both states—which means he received more votes all other candidates—is the point.

We have several candidates still in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries. Writing “Bernie has shown NO propensity for getting anywhere close to 30%—while also writing “And nobody is dropping out”—is silly.

[italic]In response to: “Do you think the DNC superdelegates will tell the people in at least 35 states, including those Top 10 populous states, that their vote does not count—and that the DNC will make someone else the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee?”[/italic]

[quote]No, actually it will be Bernie who takes credit for the Super Delegates as he negotiated the Super Delegate rules this past two years with the DNC. He did this, because he knows they do not see him as a Democrat. I can see the SDs putting their weight behind Biden at the Convention if the Candidates do not chose who the Nominee is from the four of them on the first ballot.

Really?

So, after Bernie Sanders gets more votes than any 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries candidate—nationwide and with a sufficient number of carried states (as I previously mentioned)—you think the superdelegates are going to override who the primaries voters want with who these “superdelegates” prefer?

Do you get that sense that doing that would result in unseating Donald Trump in the general election?

Do you think, after the DNC would run such a corrupt primary (as you suggested in your scenario), the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries and the entire general-election voters are going to vote for such a fraudulent-DNC-installed candidate to unseat Donald Trump?

Do you think, after what went down in 2016, and to do that with even more outright corruption in 2020, there would still be a “Democratic Party”?

Bernie is currently behind Buttigieg in delegates, R66, which is the measure of the nomination. Of course, that will change. However, he will probably not get anywhere near 30% of the delegates even if he has the plurality of votes. He's not entitled to the fucking nomination being that far from the majority of delegates. I think that we're more likely to win if we run someone other than Bernie. It's still an uphill battle, but a Bernie nom is a sure loser and will cost us Congress as well.

He will get the nomination. There would be a riot if he didn’t r67.

They can riot all the want. That's why there's riot police. They won't force anyone to give him the nomination. He only gets the nomination if he can win the majority of delegates (either outright or by making a deal with another candidate). If it's a plurality, the further he is from a majority, the less likely he is to get the nom. Democrats are not completely suicidal. We don't want to lose everything.

R66, I stand firm in you being an idiot.

It's the DELEGATES, stupid.

r35

It's astonishing how Biden has become the Jeb Bush of this primary. He spent so much time coasting on his poll numbers and name recognition, and now look where he is. He must have thought he had this in the bag.

That said, I agree that Sanders would be a disaster against Trump, along the lines of Walter Mondale vs. Reagan (maybe Sanders would win more than 1 state).

Sanders would maybe win California, New York, Illinois, and Vermont.

Sanders gets a plurality, but a different person is installed, whatever concerns you had of of chances of Sanders will evaporate as you are quickly noticing that millions of voters stayed home because the primaries meant jack shit.

I admit that if he's in some low 30%s, there might be some reason for it, especially if its alongside some truly huge controversy for him. Besides (and maybe including) that, it is elitist madness and the future cause of a worse result than 2016 automatically, instead of only possibly with a Sanders.

There's no one running right now charming enough (even DL fav Buttigieg) to justify this override, and anyone charming enough (like Michelle Obama) hadn't gone through primaries to prove herself. You can Blue No Mat Who until your face is blue, it won't get non-Dems (and many Dems themselves) on your side, even against a sadly more normalized-by-now Trump. Bloomberg? Get out.

If you don't want Sanders, you better pray for at most a tiny lead by him, and hope hard for a 2nd place to justify kicking him to the curb. Anything more successful will be an utter disaster if he's dropped. The number of Republicans will rise from this and anti-Dem Independents will surge and a 2020 loss will put the party into time-out for at minimum several years, up to decades depending on how bad it goes.

I think Warren, for all her electoral failures so far, knows this. If there's any route of success for her, it might be through a tight race between Sanders (who gains and maintains a 1st) and someone else like Biden, Bloomberg, or whoever, even multiple candidates, but Warren does well enough in enough contests to get 3rd in delegates (maybe even 2nd, just very spread out without wins) - so she presents the argument that if the candidates below her give their delegates, and the 2nd placer like a Bloomberg 'donates' support to her since they know that they're too disliked otherwise, and superdelegates can be wooed, Warren can play a 'unifier' of the party by 'uniting' so many factions to overtake the 'divisive' Sanders. But the worse she does and the better Sanders does, the more stupid this plan would be.

[quote]Sanders would maybe win California

This will not happen.

California, despite its reputation, is not a haven for far-left politicians. Most of the successful Dems here are of the Hillary/Obama variety. Maybe somebody like Bernie or AOC could get elected on the local level in SF, but on the state level, no. Generally speaking, when a Bernie type has gone up against a more mainstream Dem on the state level, they get their ass handed to them. The style of Democrat that works here is even-keeled, and yes, moderate, with occasional flashes of a farther left sensibility. But CA is not the socialist paradise some think it is, and Bernie is not popular here.

The unrealistic fantasy of Warren supporters at R73. It's not happening. She placed a distant 3rd and 4th in 2 white states that she should have done really well in.

I agree with you, R74, but he's leading here. I'm just hoping that high turnout from older people will cause some kind of upset.

Bernie is toast.

He is not a Democrat.

NOBODY is going to give Bernie delegates.

I could see everyone giving delegates to Joe.

Pete has everything to gain and nothing to lose, this round, by giving Joe or Elizabeth delegates.

I can see Elizabeth giving votes to Amy. I can see Amy giving votes to Elizabeth.

In all of this, I can see Pete being the King Maker if he is not the outright nominee.

It will be a negotiated convention. Bottom line: NOT Bernie 1st ballot, not Bernie second ballot.

[quote] I could see everyone giving delegates to Joe.

Now there's a winning strategy for the Democrats. ("Joe, you ran a shitty primary campaign, underperforming everywhere, bumbling and stumbling your way from state to state. You appeared tired and uninspiring. The voters rejected you. So we're going to make you our nominee! Give 'em hell, Joe!")

[quote] But CA is not the socialist paradise some think it is, and Bernie is not popular here.

Yet he is way out in front in the latest California poll (KQED/NPR), leading Biden and Warren by 14-15 points.

Here's another link (538's average of the polls) showing Bernie way out in front in California, with Bloomberg a very distant 2nd.

R79, KQED is the San Francisco public television/radio station. It is NOT representative of the whole state.

And 538 has been cooking the numbers for Bernie for a while now. I don't know why anyone takes Nate Silver seriously anymore after his epic fail in 2016.

All these polls mean nothing right now, what really counts is the polls and more importantly the results of the next two states. If Biden does well, the polls will change. If Biden does poorly the polls will change. Look at how everything shifted after Iowa and NH, same will happen again.

Also Bloomberg in the debate may have a significant impact given its his first appearance. Everything is in flux, you can't say oh Bernie's winning CA or Biden's winning North Carolina or Bloomberg Florida because that all will change a while lot depending on Nevada and SC. A whole hell of a lot.

[quote] KQED is the San Francisco public television/radio station. It is NOT representative of the whole state.

Yes, KQED is based in San Francisco. But it is a statewide poll.

[quote] And 538 has been cooking the numbers for Bernie for a while now.

538's numbers are literally an average of the polls, weighted according to which polls have been most reliable in the past. There are no numbers for them to cook.

[quote] If Biden does well, the polls will change. If Biden does poorly the polls will change.

And no matter how the polls change, DL'ers will find a way to spin it as "Bad news for Bernie."

[quote] Also Bloomberg in the debate may have a significant impact given its his first appearance.

Yes, definitely. This is increasingly shaping up to be a Bernie vs. Bloomberg contest (which most DL'ers refuse to accept).

Bloomberg's trajectory is still hugely unpredictable. It depends on both Biden's performance in the next two states, Bloomberg's performance in the debate, and whether the recent vetting and attacks on Bloomberg's record and statements has an effect.

The best example of this is the Virginia poll which just came out, showing Bernie, Bloomberg and Biden statistically tied for first. But only 25% of respondents stated that they're firm in their choice, a shockingly low number.

What seems clearer however is that Liz has tanked and Pete and Amy are not gaining needed support.

[quote]It’s over

Fuck off, freeper cunt fuck

[Quote] The style of Democrat that works here is even-keeled, and yes, moderate, with occasional flashes of a farther left sensibility.

R74 is funny.