Number of U.S. trans POC murdered so far in 2020: 0. Is the EPIDEMIC over?

Fuck off, troll

Of course the epidemic is over - we've been systematically hunted to extinction! There's nothing left to hunt! I'm literally typing this from heaven! Are you happy now, gay whites?!

r1, I'm not a troll! I was just reading the HRC's report from two months ago that said this was an EPIDEMIC.

Number of foreign POS spamming anti-trans propaganda daily on DL x posts = 1 X 3,093,902

The EPIDEMIC is over. You can quit polluting this website now.

Yep. This fake “epidemic” is over.

[quote]Number of foreign POS spamming anti-trans propaganda daily on DL x posts = 1 X 3,093,902

But this is PRO-trans! It's a good thing! Aren't you happy?

You'd think the T community would be shouting it to the heavens!

22 people is an epidemic? How many were drug deals gone bad? Sex workers who picked up the wrong John? I’d be curious to see some numbers are how many were killed for being a tranny and for ONLY that reason.

Awesome! Now that that problem is solved, let's focus on murder and assault against women which is continuing to happen. Let's provide more resources to vulnerable women, let's get those red flag laws in place, and take guns away from domestic abusers. Let's stop continuing the abuse of rape victims by making it difficult to abort their abuser's fetus.

Let's solve that problem.

r8 ACTUALLY, we now need to focus on making menstrual products universally available (read: free) to trans men. Didn't you read this thread, dear?

I am more concerned about natal women 2.58 of whom are murdered every day by current or former partners.

I do firmly support the abolishment of sales tax on feminine hygiene products, and subsidies on those products for the poor, I don't know why that should just be for trans-men, and not for impoverished women.

I still want to know whether women or transwomen are statistically more likely to be murdered. And that includes generally, for people involved in the sex trade, and by race, and for women and transwomen of color involved in the sex trade.

Because I'll bet my 401K that a hell of a lot more than 22 female sex workers of color were murdered last year.

R11

Trans women are less likely to be murdered than most demographics. Black MTFs have the highest murder rate of trans people, but it's still lower than that of black men.

Trannys make everything about them. 22 of THEM died last year so now it’s an “epidemic”. How many of them were screaming in the streets prior to this to bring justice for the thousands of actual women who are murdered every year? Mentally I’ll attention seekers.

Trans women are more likely to be assailants than victims. THEIR victims are mainly women.

Funny how over 99% of perpetrators of violence against trans people are men, yet its women who get called the slurs and threatened.

If a guy brings a woman to bed and they start going at it and all of the sudden he feels the “woman’s” boner I can imagine that that can get pretty heated. Not that anyone deserves to be killed but trannies often try to trick men into sleeping with them and are shocked when it doesn’t go their way. They need to be upfront from the start, but apparently thinking that is “anti-trans”. Whatever.

R15

It's very unusual for MTFs to be killed for fooling straight men. Either they try to fool straight men, and it doesn't work; they fool straight men, and the straight men don't do anything about it; or they don't try to fool straight men as often as commonly believed. Honestly, I think option 1 and 2 are the most likely. Most MTFs don't pass as well as they think, and, on the rare occasion they do actually fool a man, he'd be stupid to turn violent, because then everyone knows once he's caught.

Those MTFs who were killed for fooling a straight man are notable because it's so uncommon.

Most murdered MTFs were killed by their boyfriends in domestic violence incidents or by johns who almost definitely always knew they were trans. Trans prostitutes are filling a specific niche and would be stupid to try to horn in on cis prostitutes' clientele since there's way more competition there.

[quote]How many were drug deals gone bad? Sex workers who picked up the wrong John?

All of them.

Unlimited immigration of trannies!! And free health care for life!

Actually, OP, the number is 1, for a year that is not quite a month old.

r15 how many trans women have you been with that you have blanket ruled that they all are trying to fool men to have sex with them?

And trans POC are almost always universally murdered by other POC

R21 "And trans POC are almost always universally murdered by other POC"

Gay, straight, trans-whatever POC are almost exclusively murdered by other POC. Nothing to see here....lets move along to the next SJW inspired, media driven hysteria.

If trans women are women, then why is the distinction made re trans women being murdered, as opposed to any other women (who men sadly murder a reasonable amount?) It’s almost like we are saying there are differences we should notice sometimes, but not other times... how curious.

Let me guess — trans women are absolutely indistinguishable from other women when it suits the narrative being pushed (so they are just as desirable to straight men, able to compete in women’s sports, entitled to women’s scholarships for example), but not when it doesn’t — e.g.,, they’re not volunteering to take on additional care responsibilities, the burden of which very often falls on women within a family, and they are somehow more newsworthy victims than the “cis” women murdered at no lower rates.

There really is no logic to most of trans ideology other than “because I say so.”

r23 you don't fucking get it do you.

What do I not “fucking get“, R24, as dazzling as your argument is?

If you mean, why trans murders in Brazil are considered a reason for the US or Western Europe to flush women’s rights down the gender neutral toilet, then you’re quite right. You could equally say, the “epidemic” of men’s violence against women means women’s spaces must be protected more than ever — and you know what, that would be overblown too and a ridiculous emotive appeal that ignores the reality of life.

Or you COULD just have a rational discussion and accept that throwing a small number of (awful, as all murders are) murders into a discourse about how society functions, which is what happens (we need a Rachel McKinnon in women’s cycling because trans women are being murdered!!!) is absurd hyperbole that doesn’t illuminate any of the arguments. Given that there is no epidemic, then it reasonable not to get myself too worked up about that non-existent epidemic.

r25 because you start of with if trans women are women. Let me break it down for you. Bio women never have to fear they will get choked to death because the guy fucking them suddenly freaks out about you being born a biological male. You don't grow up being told everything you feel is wrong, you get pink frilly birthday parties and get called daddy's little girl. You don't have to fear some frau will call the police on you because you just want to go to the bathroom. You don't fucking get it because you don't. Imagine living your whole life being told who you are but knowing inside that is not who you are. To finally work through your shit and have the courage to live your life and try and do the things other take for granted, like go out on a date, have a relationship, you know normal human fucking things, only to get murdered because, suprise the asshole just wanted to fuck with you and thinks your subhuman and disposable. Trans women are women, instead grandstanding that it takes away from violence against women, how about have a fucking soul and see these women are getting that magnified by 100. That is what you don't fucking get.

[quote]Actually, OP, the number is 1, for a year that is not quite a month old.

Actually, r19, the number is 0. The trans person who was killed was not a POC, but was a cab driver who was killed during a robbery, not because the driver was trans.

The "epidemic" does not exist. Period.

Aren't you precious, R26? You think trans suffering is in any way special? You know what, suffering is horrible for everyone, period. Seemingly, everyone nowadays has their own story about why they are the worst off. It's all nonsense, of course... In the end, this misery poker is all about getting more: more leniency, more resources, more attention, more love.

I'm not even a woman and I can see that you have no fucking clue what women all over the world have to go through in their lives. Can a trans woman ever feel the suffering of a woman who grew a child in her own belly, bore it, and later lost it? Of almost dying in childbirth and learning that she will never be able to have children again? Of being ditched by her child's father, now solely responsible for her own and the child's emotional and financial well-being? Of having her genitals mutilated by men? Of having to veil herself because otherwise she cannot go out of her home? Of not being considered worthy to receive a school education? There are also things about being a man that a trans man will never, ever understand; although these things are less horrible than a lot of problems facing women admittedly.

I agree that trans people should be protected in the same way as everyone else, but not at the cost of women's rights. Trans people's self-actualization is not worth more than the happiness and the freedom of suffering of non-trans people.

"Let me break it down for you. Bio women never have to fear they will get choked to death because the guy fucking them suddenly freaks out about you being born a biological male."

Oh Christ, straight women have to worried about being choked to death because their man is pathologically jealous, or on drugs, or in a state of rage, or because he wants a new wife and thinks murder is more convenient than divorce, or just because he's seen too many choking scenes in porn! And when the attack comes, she won't have your physical strength.

R26, you are making the incredibly common (and always stupid) mistake of assuming that someone who has what you want has it all. So you didn't get your frilly pink birthday party, well lots of real girls didn't get them either because they were poor or their parents were indifferent, or they got frilly pink birthday parties when they wanted softball games and their mother thought that girls *ought* to like frilly pink things. Look outside your own resentments, and you'll see that every human being spends their life wanting things they can't have, the majority of human beings are afraid of assault in everyday life, and a hell of a lot of human beings spend years or their entire lives being told they aren't what society expects to be. Hell, talk to someone born into poverty, and see how many frilly pink thinks they grew up, how much societal approval they get, and who knew - they're even afraid they'll get the police called on them if they do something completely ordinary!

You aren't nearly as special as you think you are, and everyone can see it but you.

r29 name one bio woman who was killed because they found out she was born a male.

Just because the murders of bio women don't matter to you, R30, doesn't mean that they don't matter to the sane people.

You're a narcissistic piece of shit r30.

And I love the conservative regressive take on girls and boys. Because THAT'S what being female is, right? Pink and frilly things. I bet you think you are a woman because you want to be a sub, because you always wanted to wear high heels and a dress and 'tee hee' and get your nails done and play with your tits.

You have no fucking idea what makes someone female. You can't identify into an oppressed class. Being a woman is not a feeling.

Can you describe why you feel like a women without using regressive gender stereotypes?

Still at 0 with two days to go!

If we manage to last one calendar month without a single trans POC being murdered, does it mean that the end of the epidemic may be in sight?