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National Debt increased by $3 Trillion ($3,000,000,000,000) under Trump's presidency

And it's only been three years. Imagine what will happen if he gets re-elected.

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by Anonymousreply 35January 26, 2020 2:19 AM

We only care about this when a Democrat is President, OP.

by Anonymousreply 1January 23, 2020 7:35 PM

So we'll have another recession under a two-term GOP president and a charismatic Dem will be elected in 2024 to clean it up. He'll have the Senate as well, but he'll pull an Obama and seek GOP and industry "buy-in" for any reforms.

I hate the stupid cycle . We never learn.

by Anonymousreply 2January 23, 2020 7:39 PM

Yet the dollar seems to be very strong.

by Anonymousreply 3January 23, 2020 7:39 PM

Yeah, we should spend 15$ trillion on "free" health care instead.

by Anonymousreply 4January 23, 2020 8:04 PM

r3 the deficit acts as an anchor on the economy.

r4 it's not $15 trillion in three years. And we're spending almost a trillion a year now on defense. Also, no one cares about Bernie but Republicans.

Trump ran on shrinking the deficit. He just said that he's going to be cutting entitlements starting later this year.

by Anonymousreply 5January 23, 2020 8:07 PM

"He just said that he's going to be cutting entitlements starting later this year."

This is why Republicans steadfastly refuse to denounce Trump. He gave them the billions of dollars in tax cuts they wanted. Now, Trump will deliver on dismantling the last remnants of the the social safety net, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid that Republicans have wanted since @1940.

And Donnie will do it with the full help and support of his Deplorables. The dismantling will be couched in terms of getting rid of all the black and brown welfare deadbeats, and you know the Deplorables will eat that shit up, but they're too fucking stupid to realize it's going to impact them as well.

by Anonymousreply 6January 23, 2020 9:00 PM

R4

I've never heard an actual liberal/progressive describe socialized healthcare as "free".

You're representing us in that way in order to make socialized healthcare seem immaturely naive and unrealistic. As if it's a fictional and unachievable thing or deviously deceptive and sneaking around under the cover of lies to unfairly steal your precious pot of gold.

Keep trying. You've lost this country and only cling to power through voter suppression, gerrymandering, corruption, foreign propaganda, and the ignorance of poor people whose school systems you've been suffocating in favor of tax cuts for wealthy parasites. We're coming for you and your russian friends.

by Anonymousreply 7January 23, 2020 11:17 PM

That kind of makes mince meat out of the lie that it's the poor that cause the deficit because Trump and Co. had only taken away from the poor for the last 3 years and has given them shit.

by Anonymousreply 8January 23, 2020 11:20 PM

had = has

by Anonymousreply 9January 23, 2020 11:21 PM

R7 Education spending has been roughly the same for decades but achievement scores have decreased. Other factors surely play a role. The middle class is overtaxed as it is. What we need to do is regulate big business and make the US economy more competitive.

by Anonymousreply 10January 23, 2020 11:41 PM

The Democratic solution is to raise taxes on all income levels, lay off thousands of workers in manufacturing, increase administrative spending, bail out academic institutions for defrauding our youth, and increasing our population. Not exactly a recipe for success.

by Anonymousreply 11January 23, 2020 11:48 PM

R7

They constantly talk about it being free.

Medicare for All will be a complete disaster without controlling prices, throttling luxury care (keeping a terminal patient alive artificially is practically the definition of this), and massively curtailing health care administration. Start by laying off any "health care" worker who's making six figures who isn't actually treating patients.

by Anonymousreply 12January 24, 2020 12:12 AM

r12 oh please. Other countries manage to have public healthcare with no problems. Are you telling us that America, allegedly the greatest nation on earth, can't figure out how to do it? Obviously there will be some tweaking involved with the existing system, but one of the things that will change are the hospital administrators and similar making seven figure incomes.

Also, who is "they"?

It's not free. It's paid for by the people, for the people. That's the power of governments - to do things the private sector cannot. The US since the 70s has allowed monopolies to exist and that has damaged the economy to its core. They're in every sector and that is one of the things causing the stagnant wages and yet C-level salaries keep going obscenely up, totally unrelated to job performance and output.

Obamacare actually works - it would work better if it were tweaked to reduce all the concessions given to the existing insurance companies and a public option added to provide reasonable competition.

The plans are there. Stepped plans are there. No one expects us to overnight suddenly pull a switch that says "MEDICARE FOR ALL: ON" and instantly the entire system is redone. There will be interstitial steps and improvements made. But there won't be without the power of government behind it. And the Republicans will never want it (not as they are today) because there's too much money for them and their corporate benefactors to make by shafting everyone and also billing the government, too.

The US spends three times more for healthcare than any other nation and a huge number of people don't have any healthcare at all. Quality is not three times better here, so clearly there's something wrong.

by Anonymousreply 13January 24, 2020 12:37 AM

America is the only country with for profit health care and we have one of the poorest outcomes in the world. WTF is wrong with this picture. How can anyone not see that for profit is obscene and needs to end!

by Anonymousreply 14January 24, 2020 1:03 AM

the national debt is not what you think it is.

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by Anonymousreply 15January 24, 2020 1:09 AM

But, the economy! THE ECONOMY IS THE BEST IN YEARS!! IT'S THE BEST IN YEARS!! The orange simpleton keeps bellowing this and the idiot fools who drink his rancid breast milk BELIEBE it but there are facts in them there 'fake' news. This just keeps pissing me off. How come only some of us are seeing what's going on and the rest are stuck in the matrix.

by Anonymousreply 16January 24, 2020 1:24 AM

Deficits only matter when a democratic is in the White House!!!

by Anonymousreply 17January 24, 2020 3:42 AM

Shhh, we don't want to "go negative". Let's talk about Healthcare.

by Anonymousreply 18January 24, 2020 3:49 AM

I think Trump is Destroying the country on purpose. It’s spite, from a spiteful guy.

by Anonymousreply 19January 24, 2020 4:45 AM

The whole fucking world is in debt up to its neck. Both private, public and Government debt. Between that and the killer flu from China, climate change hitting us harder each year we are all doomed.

by Anonymousreply 20January 24, 2020 4:58 AM

R4 is so fat and stupid that we must spend more on education and healthcare!!! Urgently!!!!

by Anonymousreply 21January 24, 2020 5:20 AM

Where did all that money go?

by Anonymousreply 22January 24, 2020 5:30 AM

Let’s bring back the tea party.

Surely Glenn Beck is making a stink about this.

by Anonymousreply 23January 24, 2020 5:31 AM

National debt increasing by thus stupid fuck not reason enough to not reelect him, I don't know what else there is.

by Anonymousreply 24January 24, 2020 5:41 AM

r15 a random website on the "myth" of the deficit? Sign me up!

Some deficit spending can be a good thing for an economy. But the deficit is definitely out of control and has been for some time, and it's acting as an anchor on the economy. The only reason we haven't fallen back into a recession again is because of the corporate tax cuts and low FED borrowing rates, and that's actually making the future problem - which is hovering there and growing - even worse than it would have been.

by Anonymousreply 25January 25, 2020 7:42 PM

A couple days ago some troll on reddit was claiming that we need to cut social welfare spending because of the deficit, which he said was created by Obama.

by Anonymousreply 26January 25, 2020 7:50 PM

They're just outright lying at this point.

by Anonymousreply 27January 25, 2020 7:58 PM

To give a 40% reduction in taxes to corporations. And increase taxes for people in high tax states by making us pay federal taxes on money we never got. Shockingly Unfair and unethical.

by Anonymousreply 28January 26, 2020 1:32 AM

The article linked at R15 is bullshit:

He blames Obamacare for raising the deficit. Actually, it was revenue neutral. The Republicans have since changed it, and it it’s costing money now, blame the Republicans, it the ACA.

He states “When the government fails to run deficits, we suffer recessions and depressions.” He implies that there is causation here, and that’s just not true.

I stopped reading part way through, as there was more bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 29January 26, 2020 1:48 AM

The best and most helpful spending is giving more money to the poor. Seriously, they save it, they don't send it offshore or horde it. They immediately put it back in the economy to buy food and clothes mostly. If a poor person has young kids they often need to buy clothes as kid's grow. The elderly will spend on food as well and medication. The economy is most helped by increasing the income of the poor or giving them more in SNAP (food stamps).

by Anonymousreply 30January 26, 2020 1:49 AM

R2, Trump is not getting re-elected. He’s lost the states that were close last time, and all their electoral votes.

by Anonymousreply 31January 26, 2020 1:50 AM

I would like to be holding a sharp little knife, if I ever met him.

by Anonymousreply 32January 26, 2020 1:56 AM

What no one understands is in a couple of years we will no longer be able to run our government at all. Republicans never look to the future...they just grab their money and run.

by Anonymousreply 33January 26, 2020 1:59 AM

R30 It's always been the middle class, not the poor, who have propped up the economy. Small business competition is what keeps the big players in check.

by Anonymousreply 34January 26, 2020 2:00 AM

[quote] Let’s bring back the tea party.

We're only concerned about debt caused by black presidents.

by Anonymousreply 35January 26, 2020 2:19 AM
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