Video evidence shows grandfather leaned out of opened window before dropping granddaughter on Royal Caribbean cruise

Maybe granddaughter had a fresh mouth??? Not saying she had it coming, but you can just see it in her eyes that she was a little bitch, 🤪

That video is chilling. Bye bye Grandpa.

They really thiught they would get a big payday and be set for life by murdering that poor aspie baby..

He was trying to copy Michael Jackson.

Tell me about it!

R2, where are you seeing the video?

R6

Video and story are everywhere.....

R6 yes, where is the video?

Where the fuck ya been, OP?

It's embedded in the video r6. But try this.

Good or Royal Caribbean exposing them. Wow. That video is shocking and damning.

I'm sure the defense will pull some shit like "How do you know that is..."

Think of how many other passengers has their vacation ruined by this idiot. The people below who are scarred for life having to see it. You paid money for this shit?

You cannot trust fate that another murderous or idiot person won't throw someone out the window. Learn.

I knew from the beginning there was no way he didn’t think there was a window there. He’s just trying g to ease his own guilt by trying to get money. Also he’s trying to get money.

My guess, Trump voters. Poor baby. Grandfather is a fucking idiot.

[quote]Think of how many other passengers has their vacation ruined by this idiot.

You mean all those fat fucks that are stomping around the ship in the video, R11? Their hearts and blod pressure's gonna ruin them way before anything else does.

Great video.

One guy acts like an assole, and it's a reflection on "society"? Um, okay.

I wonder what the mother thinks or if she's seen the video. Surely she can't still believe it was the Cruise Line's fault.

why kill a baby though?

Does he fall down at one point? Did he drop her and then collapse or did he start to lose his grip and try to bring her back in quickly? The worst part is when the video turns from relaxed pace to frantic when people start to react and run for the windows.

Another entitled boomer

Ah Smitty, this story always brings a smile to my face!

Oh he still thought there was glass.

Just idiot proof it. Vegas knows. They have them restricted so people can't jump. Kills tourism.

"Stupid, you ain't jumping out and wrecking my business, ya tard! Imma take this into my own hands."- Some mafia casino owner.

Yup, this was obvious to anyone who followed the story. And then, the family went to the media in tears, complaining it was the cruise's fault for not doing something differently with the windows. The grandfather has some bad karma coming his way.

The grandfather has jail time coming his way.

The only thing uglier than that baby is how the family is acting. Tra$h.

[quote]This is what happens when society grooms you to believe you have limitless freedom to do as you please whenever you please, and it's up to others to come to your rescue or clean up your mess.

Yes. whatever.

What if he had just been holding the baby at the window, pointing out the view and...

A) had a heart attack and dropped the baby out?

B) a group of rowdy people bumped into him, and knocked him and the baby out?

C) he left the baby inside and jumped to his death?

At what point does the cruise start to think that preventing people from falling, however it happens, is a good thing?

R27 there's no foolproof way to stop that short of not having windows

Don't they have windows that only open a crack or so?

Now I'm thinking about the man who threw the little boy over the balcony at the mall. What's to stop someone from doing that? Poor little kid.

Just something that only opens a few inches so no babies can be thrown out by murderers. My apartment windows have locks. I can't open it more than a few inches.

Still let the breeze in though. That high up, it's not a safety hazard because you would jump to your death anyway. Like the people in the 9/11 towers.

[quote](B) a group of rowdy people bumped into him, and knocked him and the baby out?

R27 did you even WATCH the video? There's nobody near him.

R25 I agree and I hope their lawsuit is tossed out.

The video I saw looked like he held the baby outside the window for fun! Like WHEEEE! Which makes it truly horrifying and stupid.

Wow. What kind of idiot holds a squeamish infant outside a window like that. And it is painfully obvious he knew the window was open. Good for Royal Caribbean for not bellying up and just paying the family off to avoid more press.

I guarantee the family is hoping that Trump or some other loudmouth intervenes on their behalf. His lawyers must be complete idiots. He needs to cut a deal with the authorities in Puerto Rico. A trial there will not go his way.

Grown man holds a toddler up to an 11th floor window. Toddler falls.

"How could this monstrous corporation put a window here???!"

Good for them? Close the windows and call this a tragedy and move on.

R13 - “My guess, Trump voters. Poor baby. Grandfather is a fucking idiot.”

Total dump supporter. Look at that sloppy looking, fat bastard. Gran-pappy supporter is just like his president.... Destroys, then blame-shifts.

I'm just saying I am glad we have due process and a court of law.

Fuck off, R38. It was a tragedy and you know nothing about how that man or that family feels. They lost a child, so shut the fuck up.

The cruise ship had an open window where it shouldn't have been and gramps made a mistake. Again, move on, because only ghouls focus on such things, ghoul.

The photo of the window makes it easier for me to understand than the angle from the video. The window is a ways in front of the railing, so he's not actually leaning out of it to where it would be obvious there's no glass.

I think the cruise line put pressure on the government to press charges in hopes of the family dropping their suit.

Like, make this situation look better for us, or we take our ship and business to another port.

There's no reason to have open windows that high up where any yahoo can reach them. You can't assume people will be watching their children or won't get into a fight with their fiancee and jump over board.

They are negligent for not having glass go up higher. I do not believe a normally doting grandfather would throw away everything for a payout.

[quote]Fuck off, [R38]. It was a tragedy and you know nothing about how that man or that family feels. They lost a child, so shut the fuck up.

This is always the argument when some dunce leaves its spawn in the back of a car to fry.

Trust me, if a babysitter did that, or what Paw-Paw did here, no one would be saying "You don't know how the babysitter feels, so shut the fuck up."

Wow... That morbidly obese gramp just dangled his grandchild out of the window for almost a minute only to drop her to the ground in the end. Brutal. He could lose some hundred pounds in the clink though.

He was drunk and dropped the poor tot out the window after sticking half his body out the window first. He refused the breathalyzer, of course, to protect himself.

They should put a little flower headband on him and toss him out the same window.

Everything the grandfather and the family claimed was a lie. He knew the window was open, and his actions had nothing to do with the risible excuse that the child "liked banging on closed windows."

In a split second the old man might have made a murderous decision.

R41 he's Italian, idiot.

And if you have a baby that likes banging on closed windows, wouldn't you take the 3 seconds to make sure it's closed? We learn every day you can't protect idiots from themselves

By your logic, R41, apartments and hotels shouldn't have sliding glass doors and balconies? It's easy enough to get over a balcony. Maybe the world should be shrouded in bubble wrap to make it completely idiot proof?

To add to r47, maybe nobody should be allowed on deck on a cruise ship. It should be completely and entirely enclosed to everybody to protect them.

[quote] The cruise ship had an open window where it shouldn't have been

Pray tell, where should the open window have been? When do we start taking responsibility for our own actions, including stupid mistakes and not blame inanimate objects or the architecture of a ship?

Grandpa needs prison time for the homicide and for fraud.

Hey, it happens.

[quote] Another entitled boomer

I know he looks ancient, R20, but he's only 51, so not a boomer.

R51 I thought he was in his 60s.

A Gen Xer.

Everyone in the video was fucking fat. American's are disgusting. I can't believe how fucking big they get!

At least she won’t grow up to be white trash like she family.

Lucky dead kid

R48 I guess by YOUR logic the people who accidentally walk into propellers after exiting planes and are killed are to be blamed.

At what point do you say hmm, these people are encountering a new environment where they may not be paying attention to everything. Maybe we here in safety ought to minimize risks and accidents?

It's called AN ACCIDENT for a reason, fucktard. But please by all means you gamble with your life. Go to a third world country where they don't include hand railing on the stairs or put up warning signs about spills.

Gramps is 100% responsible. It’s a cruise ship. There are open decks, windows and balconies. You don’t dangle a toddler out of an open window. No amount of safeguards will prevent stupid behavior.

He was drunk.

He's wearing a Notre Dame cap - he must me a psycho!

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Lawsuit needs to be like the baby - DROPPED.

So he stuck his head out the window, saw how steep the fall was, then dropped that child like he was playing plinko? Savage.

He seems kind of fake and one of those narcissistic types who've got away with shit their whole lives. It wouldn't surprise me if he did it on purpose or was trying to scare her just because he could. He was the step grandfather so he may have been jealous of the attention she received. That and a few drinks, plus the thought of a nice lawsuit and......whoops!

Goddamn there's a lot of America-hating division trolls in this thread.

[quote]I guess by YOUR logic the people who accidentally walk into propellers after exiting planes and are killed are to be blamed.

Where the fuck is this going on?

And to answer the question, yes it would be their fault. If you don’t hear the deafening roar of a plane’s propeller and still walk into it, yes Darwinism at its best.

[quote] I think the cruise line put pressure on the government to press charges in hopes of the family dropping their suit.

Bullshit. Puerto Rico deals with asshole tourists ALL the time who get away with murder. They wanted Grandpa to come in for questioning when this happened and he refused. No doubt the cruise line wants this to go away ASAP and not have it dragged out in court.

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I think that's what bugs me most--the grandfather didn't take a breathalyzer and didn't submit to questioning. In any normal investigation, that would not be acceptable. I truly believe it was an accident, and I also believe the grandfather knew he fucked up. Yes there was an open window. In no way should that child have been near it, and the video doesn't lie--that man picked up his grandchild and held her out the window for quite a while. He knew there was no glass, he just didn't imagine he would drop her.

So ONE woman. One dopey woman out of millions who fly in airplanes walks into a propeller (and survives by the way), and it’s a problem?

That poster made it out as an epidemic of people being killed by propellers.

[quote] I think that's what bugs me most--the grandfather didn't take a breathalyzer and didn't submit to questioning. In any normal investigation, that would not be acceptable.

Exactly. He and the family would not cooperate with the Puerto Rican authorities and left the island. That's why they are going after him now. I don't think the cruise line has much to do with that. This is bad publicity for everyone.

[quote] the grandfather didn't take a breathalyzer and didn't submit to questioning. In any normal investigation, that would not be acceptable.

So I’m guessing you don’t believe in the whole “right to remain silent” thing, huh?

What country do you live in where one should be forced to cooperate with the police investigating you?

It was so damned greedy for the mother to file a lawsuit. She had already won lotto by reaching adulthood after having that git for a father. I'm sure he didn't mean to drop the baby, but holding her over a rail, any rail, certainly isn't trying with all your might NOT to drop her.I

DL'ers, once again, called it correctly on the first thread.

The baby did not "fall to her death" on the ship.

The baby was dropped by her irresponsible grandfather who stupidly held her out an open window.

I would have sympathy for the family if they weren't suing the cruise ship to score a financial windfall from the tragedy. Now, I see them as money grubbing.I hope the cruise line doesn't settle.

[quote]I know he looks ancient, but he's only 51, so not a boomer.

Yeah. In dog years.

Good grief, was that a celebration cruise for people just approved for welfare? I've never seen a scummier looking group of cruise ship passengers in my life.

r74 you must not know many actual humans.

r75 you must not have been on any cruise lines departing from America recently. Of course Carnival is even worse.

As mentioned I'm sure he was bombed.

A breathalyzer would have cleared him.

I'm sure the cruise line has video of him at a bar. Those tacky boats are big but they track everything.

I hope the cruise line sues this grifter family for every penny they have.

"The Wiengand family had sued the cruise line after Chloe’s death in July, arguing the company failed to protect Chloe and other vacationers from potentially dangerous open windows."

The family "failed to protect Chloe" from psycho grandpa!

R69 are you a troll? When is it ever only person.

I hope you don't work in anything having to do with regulation.

Wasn't there a case years ago, where a guy got out of a helicopter and lifted his child up in the air while the blades were still spinning?

I have walked into a sliding glass door before. And I am an idiot.

Please vote to make things idiot proof for people like me. You may be smart but me, the dodo bird, needs help. I know you want me to die though, meanies.

This family is from South Bend. Mayo Pete needs to answer some questions about being on the frontlines of infant dropping.

The problem with having no windows that open is that it becomes very stuffy and smells are hard to get rid of. Typically, hotels don’t have windows that open, at the most they crack and inch or two and that’s it. Some places, you can’t open them at all, thanks to idiots like this.

I can’t imagine why anyone would want to travel on a cruise ship with no ventilation. It would be horrible. Just because some homicidal grandpa decides to off his granddaughter, why should everyone else suffer? Do you really think it would be a selling point to advertise, “welcome to our cruise ship, you will be sealed in and never smell the sea air or be able to take a breath of fresh air for days on end!” Might as well stay in a landlocked hotel then.

People have no concern for other people any more, they just do whatever the hell they want and fuck everybody else.

The answer is probably to ban anyone under ten or something. Which wouldn’t be unreasonable, considering how people constantly fling themselves overboard on those ships at the slightest opportunity. Maybe they should ban anyone under 500 pounds, since they couldn’t be easily lifted and flung out the windows or over the rail.

R83 I lived in South Bend. There's a reason people call it "Shithole."

Whoopsadaisy!

This thread is awesome! I'm rolling around laughing my ass off. Thanks guys, you're awesome.

R80 It's Darwinism

R87, well nothing causes belly laughs quite like the senseless death of a toddler.

For some reason that family wanted the little girl dead. And they had Grandpa do the deed. He chucked her out that window.

Low class wannabe.

The whole wall is glass, from top to the floor. There was no reason to pick up the kid for the view unless the grandpa knew that one panel was open.

If he was drunk, the cruise line knows exactly how many drinks went on his ship ID. Although, problem being, another cruise line for example will often only ask for one ID card from a cabin if theyre drinking as a couple.

Was the grandfather on opioids?

Beyond that, that cruise looks fulll of Walmart shoppers! Jesus how trashy!

[quote]He was drunk.

The cruise ship over-served him.

R84, people don't constantly fling themselves off cruise ships, and the top deck of a ship is out in the open air, so I don't understand your comment about no ventilation.

I consider open windows on cruise ships to be in line with lanais/balconies. Every vacation home has a lanai. Is that irresponsible? Every responsible parent not only doesn’t dangle a 2 year old over the railing, they’re probably anal about making sure the kids don’t go out on the balcony. I know we were when we vacationed with our young nieces. There is no way that guy thought there wasn’t glass there. No way.

If you notice, he takes the kid to the far end of the room, bypassing lots of spaces where there’s glass. Why? It looks like he leaned out the window to check what was down there, then after he found out what was down there, picked up the kid and leaned completely over the window. Poor kid must have been scared shitless.

R96, we’re constantly hearing about people “falling overboard,” “mysteriously disappeared,” “apparent suicide” and so forth on ships. Some are suspected to be murders, but there’s never any proof. A lot of them are newlyweds, which makes it even more suspicious.

Who gets on a ship on their honeymoon with the intention of committing suicide? If their spouse was beating them, there must be security all over. And people are supposed to be happy on their honeymoons, not jumping to their deaths. A lot of them are probably murders for the life insurance.

Here’s one in November. Sounds like the family refuses interviews.

Here’s another one. 120 pound woman allegedly served 19 drinks. Friends didn’t report her missing until whenever they woke up from their hangovers, which might have been as late as afternoon. From the article:

Since 2000, 284 people have fallen off cruise ships—and another 41 from large ferries—an average of about 1.5 people per month. The cruise industry says that accidental “falls” don’t happen when passengers are behaving responsibly. And online commenters on cruise forums generally dismiss those who go overboard as drunk, careless, or stupid, and see these events, while unfortunate, as no more than a Darwinian culling of the vacationing population.

He should have spun around and screamed "As God as my witness,I thought turkeys could fly !"

Here’s another blog about cruise ship deaths:

There is a difference between the cruise ships deaths and murderous grandpappy sticking his head out a window, spotting something outside, then dropping a baby to its death.

Also, wasn't the "original" version of his story that he was carrying the baby and tripped?

Drunk grandpa used drunken judgment, held baby out a window, and baby went splat.

“Fuck off, [R38]. It was a tragedy and you know nothing about how that man or that family feels. They lost a child, so shut the fuck up. The cruise ship had an open window where it shouldn't have been and gramps made a mistake. Again, move on, because only ghouls focus on such things, ghoul.“

No You FUCK OFF, R40. My comment had nothing to do with how grandpa feels. I’m sure he’s devastated. What I do know, is that this prick and his family are trying to sue the pants off the cruise line, when all the while, grandpa displayed grossly negligent behavior. So stuff it asshole, and YOU shut the fuck up.

r 38

He screwed up. Instead of taking responsibility as an adult, the family immediately lawyered up and filed a lawsuit.

Am I missing anything here?

If you look at the video, why do that at all? Stick your head way out of a window, then reach back and grab a little kid, then stick it way out of the window? What was out the window that was so important he had to get to it? Crack? Was he hoping to use the kid’s arms to reach something?

ALERT : Invasive Frau Bullshit Thread

There is no way, drunk or sober, that grandpa couldn't see and FEEL that the window was open. Breeze in his face, etc. I have no doubt he was drunk. And I have no idea whether it was deliberate or accidental –But the entire tragedy was his fault. The open window was toddler-proof; high up, and with a railing in front of it to boot. Grandpa lifted her up and over the railing! To argue that the ship was negligent for having that window open is beyond ridiculous. It could just as easily happened on one of the stateroom balconies. Would someone argue that the balconies should be totally glassed-in for safety?

One last point. The child supposedly loved to bang on glass. Is that an activity that any responsible adult would encourage? Glass is notorious for breaking and causing severe injuries. Teaching children not to hit windows is right up there with not touching fire and not running into the street. I'm sorry the poor child is dead, and I feel for her parents. But there is no way this tragedy was the cruise line's fault. It was all on grandpa.

OP's "point" makes no sense. It's just a typical Trumpian hobby horse selectively applied to "undeserving" types.

At any rate, the clientele looks like People Of Walmart.

So did the baby go splash or splat? Was it water outside the window or solid surface?

When everyone is running and looking out the window, are they just seeing nothing in the ocean, or a horrific red blob on concrete below?

Yes, I'm gruesome. But I need to picture what horror people saw in my mind.

[quote]Yes, I'm gruesome. But I need to picture what horror people saw in my mind.

Can it really be worse than fat Midwesterners doing the Macarena beside a cloudy swimming pool?

I'm in the camp that believes he dropped the kid on purpose to score a pay day.

Splat on concrete pier

R112 Yes

I still think a dead bloody baby is worse than overweight people dancing to a stupid song by a pool with a broken filter.

snobby cunt

[quote]I still think a dead bloody baby is worse than overweight people dancing to a stupid song by a pool with a broken filter.

We'll have to agree to disagree, darling. Certainly dead bloody babies aren't anyone's idea of a walk in Tivoli Gardens, but then there's this.

The family’s lawyer at the video in R15 says it’s the ship’s fault for not having warning signs put up to warn you not to drop your baby.

R80, stop trying to make the faux epidemic of people being slaughtered by propellers happen. You posted another incident from 6 years ago! So a grand total of 2 (one which didn’t result in death).

And I stand by my statement that if you walk into a propeller you’re an idiot and a case for a Darwin Award.

Dangling a baby over railing through an open window is "accidental"?

[queso][R80], stop trying to make the faux epidemic of people being slaughtered by propellers happen. You posted another incident from 6 years ago! So a grand total of 2 (one which didn’t result in death).

OK, then how about people who get eaten by lions and tigers at zoos? Should the zoo not take responsibility for that or put up warning signs?

You can’t be serious, r120.

[quote]They really thiught they would get a big payday and be set for life by murdering that poor aspie baby..

Nah, it's far more likely that the drunk grandpa made bad decisions and immediately after the baby fell, because he was drunk and freaked out, said he was sure he was at a closed window and had no idea how this could have happened. And maybe he even thought he was open, or was in denial.

The family started pushing for "justice" and he never 'fessed up when he should have. That's the problem here. The cruise line also should have shown the footage from the very beginning and let the family quietly withdraw their suit. It never should have gotten to this point.

* maybe he even thought he was telling the truth, or in denial

Bad cut & paste job on my part, sorry. I don't usually speak gibberish.

I read they were also saying he's color blind, and couldn't tell the difference between an open and closed window. The fact that there's a railing a few inches in front of the window would appear to indicate to me that it's there to guard people from getting too close. And the fact that windows aren't open at child level would appear to indicate that the ship doesn't maybe want children to fall through them. I don't know why people are making excuses for someone who showed bad judgment, drunk, color blind or whatever. At a certain point you - and you alone - are responsible for your bad choices. You can't be protected from every single one. I mean, seriously, how about the general rule that you don't dangle babies out open windows?

[quote]And the fact that windows aren't open at child level would appear to indicate that the ship doesn't maybe want children to fall through them.

If the ship didn’t want children to fall through then why was it open at hip level?

Grandfather is at fault. Toss the lawsuit and toss granddaddy in jail. The end.

They made it sound like it was in a child's play area, Gramps was in the bar area, how drunk was he?

It’s sad, but the family’s narrative about how she just loved banging on the window at her brother’s hockey games seemed like a poorly thought-up rationale. Even in a noisy hockey rink with windows designed to withstand the impact of a slapshot puck, it’s still not a great idea to allow a toddler to bang on any window. R108 is exactly right on that point.

I am so confused. Did he actually want to murder the baby?

The grandfather and grandmother look to be late 60's, are they both only in their early 50's?! Maybe it's not just a DL cliche, I do look 10 years younger than my age.

Fuck him right in the pussy when he goes to jail. Case closed. I HATE STUPID PEOPLE.

Yes, r129, I believe he did, in that split, unfortunate second.

STEP-grandfather.

He knew the window was open. I fail to see HOW he’s not at fault. It seems deliberate to me.

Lock him up! No money for them!

Wow, is he really only 51? He looks 60s. He is the step-grandfather, so for a minute I thought there might be some merit to some thinking it was intentional. . I think more likely he was drunk and stupid.

[quote] If the ship didn’t want children to fall through then why was it open at hip level?

You’re just a special kind of stupid.

HIs heavy drinking has caused him to look far older than he is. He has a classic alcoholic face.

Makes you wonder what else the alcoholic grandfather has done, and what kind of things the poor family has believed just to keep from admitting to themselves that he's a danger to himself and others.

How is he a step grandfather? Is he the mother’s stepdad?

R76 stole my thunder. I do Lyft on weekends. The Carnvial ships attract the flyover Walmart crowd. Lots of fatties. RC isn't much better but looks teensy bit more upscale.

The family's lawyer is a fucking slimeball.

After seeing the video it seems it took lots of effort for gramps to drop that unfortunate looking child with the huge watermelon head out of the window. Even he had to lean way out. Why on earth didn't anyone in the family say "hey, what are you doing?" He held her out for quite a while too and anyone who has been around toddlers know they are wiggly.

I’m colorblind and have been on the ship. There’s no way in hell he couldn’t tell the window was open just because he’s colorblind.

He was drunk & probably either not wearing his glasses or wearing an old pair of glasses because he was too cheap to update the Rx. But I’ll bet you he’s a drinker who can “handle” 2 or 3 drinks ...until he sees a window that isn’t there.

The video OBVIOUSLY should him lean through the window to look out.

There is no "deceptive" angle.

The idea that he didn't know the window was open is patently absurd, drunk or sober, color blind or not.

Trying to profit off of a mistake your family made got them to this place. Now they have to live with this death knowing not only that they are responsible (and everyone knows it now) but tried to profit off of their own culpability (and everyone knows it now).

I know there's always this need to blame someone but themselves because it's too painful to look in the mirror and know it was you who accidentally killed her, but they should've tried to accept it and move on.

Baby cried the day the cruise ship came to town

While she danced without a net upon the window

Fly high and proud

And if you should fall, remember you almost had it all

If thousands and thousands and thousands of people over years and years have managed not to drop their babies from that cruise ship, why is it the cruise ship's fault that you did?

If you look at the video, it goes like this: 1. Grandpa sticks his own head outside the window, sans baby. 2. Grandpa picks up baby from the floor or somewhere, lifts her, then thrusts baby through open window he already knows is open because he already stuck his own head through the hole. 3. Baby disappears out of sight. 4. Obviously people around became aware of what happened because they’re all moving towards him.

Murder one.

If I was that family, I would have to wonder, what in the hell was he doing? Deliberately killing the baby or what? I wouldn’t let him anywhere near any of the other kids in the family. Just because somebody is a grandfather doesn’t mean they’re not batshit crazy. The family isn’t going to tell the truth about this guy because they want a payday. What if grandpa is a sociopath or something? I hope that cruise line gets a detective to do a background check on him. That’s just too weird.

Why do some of you overthink these things? You know there are a lot of trashy dumbasses, right? He thought it was no big deal to play with the kid over the railing because she's just a light baby and he's a guy. He didn't think he could possibly drop her. Do some of you get out at all? We have idiots taking pictures of their babies with their pit bulls to show everyone how "harmless" they are, right before they rip the kid's face off.

A lot of people are simply dumb. This nonsense about a plan to kill a friggin baby...? Really?

He fell. He was dangling the kid Over the rail & he fell down. He was drunk.

After Michael Jackson, everyone knows dangling a baby out a window is bad. Has this guy been living on an island without television for a few decades?

R139, he's married to the maternal grandmother. I assume this is grandma's second husband, but he's not biologically related to the child.

Holy shit, he's not the bio granddad? OMG, there's no way that marriage is lasting or the parents will cut ties with the mother if she stays with him.

R155 the family already closed ranks supporting him

This family's case is toast and more than that, Papaw is probably looking at jail time.

R156, it won't last. Once they've exhausted every effort to try and blame anyone but him for his incompetence, it'll start to settle in that it was all him. The anger will come out and it'll be ugly. Mark my words.

The open window should have had a sticker on it saying it was open.

I would never speak to or look at the person who dropped my child out a window. Of course, I’d never leave my child in the care of that old souse, either.

So let's say there was a window there, the kid would've ended up with some injury because he still dropped her, so I'm sure they would've sued for no ballpit or stacks of mattresses being at the bottom of every window.

[quote][R155] the family already closed ranks supporting him

You say closed ranks, I say got their stories straight for their payday.

R162, and when there’s no payday, then what? I say it all falls apart and fingers start pointing...

I’m not seeing it mentioned that this is basically the cop dads fault. He was the one who stopped the drunk grandpa from talking to PRican cops and from taking a breathalyzer.

The cruise line also claims cop dad refused to let anyone from his family watch the videos.

Cop dad is also a republican. It’s just weird that his daughter died and he was more concerned about protecting drunk grandpa.

I"m guessing the parents took him at his word that he had no idea the window was open, his colorblindness,, etc., etc. It's difficult to fathom how anyone (crazy Michael Jackson aside) could be so stupid as to dangle a toddler out the window from the 11th story that there has to be a better explanation. Now with the video evidence, what on earth might they be thinking? They're likely having a difficult time wrapping their minds around this. Being lied to and duped by "grandpa" on top of losing their kid. Looking like greedy people for the whole world to see? And he's not the biological grandfather. SMH. At this point, I'm even wondering if he was having financial problems (as many alcoholics do) and concocted a stupid scheme and with the help of liquid courage...

Has Pete Buttigieg weighed in? They're from his town, right?

[quote]Cop dad is also a republican. It’s just weird that his daughter died and he was more concerned about protecting drunk grandpa.

He was protecting his payday.

"It’s just weird that his daughter died and he was more concerned about protecting drunk grandpa."

Not weird at all. The worst piece of shit man is considered way more important than the best woman/child.

It just gets worse and worse. STEP-grandad! In the olden days, people grieved in peace and quiet. They sucked up and admitted their heinous mistakes. Now it's big noise and lawyer-up. Who can blame Carnival for releasing that video? Those hillbilly hucksters are no match for Carnival, I'm guessing.

R166, he did say something. He gave his condolences To the asshole white cop when it first happened.

[quote]Who can blame Carnival for releasing that video?

Oh, DEAR.

As God is my witness, I thought babies could fly.

R166 Pete is not going to weigh in ... these are Mike Pence people.

I really do think it is bizarre that the cop dad immediately protected drunk Grampy. One would think he would want answers. This stinks to me.

Why would the cop dad not want the family to see if he thought Step-Grandpa didn’t do anything wrong? Were they both in on trying to get an insurance payoff?

If I was the mom, and people were telling me Step-Grandpa threw your kid out a window, I’d sure want to know, wouldn’t you? How would you ever know for sure unless you looked? And if you didn’t see, how would you know he was innocent? How could you go on, never knowing?

Would you want Baby-Flinging Grandpa to babysit the other kids next? What if he wanted to take them to lunch at a restaurant on top of a tall building? “Come on, kiddies, let’s go to the top of the Empire State Building! It’ll be fun!”

- Baby-Flinging Grandpa, checking the newest insurance policy he took out on the kids “just in case, because they’re so precious.”

He can always have another baby. He knew grandpa was in someway responsible but he also knew he possibly had a winning lottery ticket. I am stunned that people think every single parent loves their children like they are the most important things in the world and would be devastated by their deaths. Like no parent ever abuses or kills a child. They exist. Why would he care that the grandfather would take a breathalyzer test? Wasn't he in shock? Clearly not.

He’s a cop, he was thinking if Step-Grandpa got arrested in PR, it would cost a fortune and he would be stuck there. A big hassle for the whole family. The baby wasn’t worth all that bother. It was out of his jurisdiction so he couldn’t influence anything.

Don’t assume the dad and Step Grandpa weren’t in on it. Some dads don’t want kids and don’t give a shit if one of them accidentally falls into a wood chipper. Oh well. Now Martha can’t nag me about refusing to have kids. I did it, not my fault it didn’t work out.

[quote]I am stunned that people think every single parent loves their children like they are the most important things in the world and would be devastated by their deaths. Like no parent ever abuses or kills a child. They exist.

Why is everyone looking at me all of a sudden?

[quote]If the ship didn’t want children to fall through then why was it open at hip level?

Hip level to who? Certainly not a two year old child!

I still hope it was a brain dead accident. I don't want to believe people can be that evil.

The grandpa was not evil just a drunken fool.

...or else he'd go....kerplop.....

Instead of force the cruse ship to put stupids sings like "don't put your baby on the open window ledge" they should treat these stupid deplorables like deporables and issue a mandatory baby harness with a leash like a dog or cat.

[quote] Instead of force the cruse ship to put stupids sings like "don't put your baby on the open window ledge" they should treat these stupid deplorables like deporables

Not sure if you’re qualified to be the arbiter of what’s stupid.

R183, I'd favor sterilizing them.

“I am stunned that people think every single parent loves their children like they are the most important things in the world and would be devastated by their deaths. Like no parent ever abuses or kills a child. They exist“

Family wanted rid of that FUGLY baby. Figured a quick Trip to The deck couldn’t do any worse for her looks but could line their pockets. Didn’t think Puerto Rican’s were sophisticated enough to camcord their lies.

Cop dad is also a republican. It’s just weird that his daughter died and he was more concerned about protecting drunk grandpa.

Oh, hon. He’s concerned about $$$$$$.

Grandpa was liable to spew it out to the cops “Ossifer, I was drunk! This is all my fault! I can’t believe I did this. I’m so dumb!”

Republican daddy cop knows... keep yer trap shut and stick out yer hand til someone drops a bag of cash in it.”

Not doubting you, R187, but how do you know the dad is a Republican? What about the mother, she's apparently a lawyer, so she's got to know something as well. Over on websleuths, they said that the mother also advised her step father not to take a breathalyzer.

If he plays his cards right he could get a Grammy out of this.

What a stupid useless man.

[quote] Didn’t think Puerto Rican’s

Puerto Rican’s what though?

There is a second window after the railing and he didn't lean through that. He only leaned through over the railing. He's an idiot and made a mistake but it's valid to expect a window to be shut when that high up.

What if the ship's stabilizers had broken and people started flying around? OUT the window?

Their lawyer looks dumb and sleazy.

Jesus Christ, lawyer's baby daughter was dropped several stories onto concrete turning her into a little heap of dead meat and mom's immediately giving legal advice? Very scary.

Hope this is just stupid internet gossip. Otherwise one of the more monstrous scams I've ever heard of.

R192 so he leaned through to check but couldn't take a finger to make sure it was closed? Fuck him

That video R192 was on choppy seas, any idiot with common sense would know not to get to close to an open window.

I think R192 is trying to say if one opened those windows all the passengers on that deck would go flying out of them on choppy seas. I think but I'm not sure. Grandpa however was not on choppy seas but being in his cups felt like he was.

[quote] Grandpa however was not on choppy seas but [bold]being in his cups[/bold] felt like he was.

I absolutely love this expression!

I think just like in many shitty families, grief took a backseat to greed and opportunity. As mad as they were at drink grandpa, they couldn't resist the deep pockets of RC. Not to mention the legal hassle of Gramps being in poky.

I love you so much, R172

Honestly--how anyone could watch that video and think that the grandfather thought there wasn't a window--well, they're in an enormous state of denial. He pokes his head--actually, nearly the top half of his body-- out the window for quite a while, then picks his granddaughter up and hoists her outside. I think he wanted to prop her on the railing, but he dropped her instead. The video doesn't lie.

Did the baby drown in the ocean? Did anyone dive in after her?

Greedy or not, the half-baked excuse that "Drop Pop" is colorblind has to be the most moronic part of this story.

Imagine all the colorblind people in the world suddenly sailing out of open windows.

Get a grip, man!

It was a stupid accident. I think the lawsuits and the family's self righteousness are more about having someone else to blame than the money. I can't imagine how hard it must be to really come to terms with something like this, just absolutely horrible. Think about it, if your father killed your child (accident or otherwise,) I'm pretty sure that would just fucking break you. After that, anything goes-- and if the grandpa really accepted responsibility for what he did he'd probably kill himself.

R203 She fell onto the dock below. She had to have looked like one of Gallagher’s post show watermelons from that height.

OMG, I fucking hate you, R206! I'm so fucking going to hell with you for laughing.

This is why we need cameras everywhere public. Sick of these asshole lawyers who think they can just sue everyone for their client's incompetence

R204. I personally think the “the baby LOVED to bang on the glass at hockey games, so we decided it would be great to let her do that here, 11 stories up” story has an edge over the color blind excuse. The poor little kid didn’t even attempt to do that, as far as I could see. I cannot believe the lawyers were even saying that with a straight face. “Drop Pop” made me cackle.

I DARE one of you to go over to websleuths and say that you think the baby was fugly. Please, someone do it.

If you could throw someone off of cruise ships and buildings just for being ugly, the fly over states would be raining obese frau 24/7.

Because we don't know everything. Like the McDonald's hot coffee spill that was misreported.

Why would the lawyer mom be trying to save the person that killed her daughter? Wasn’t she in shock? At all?

Most moms would be screaming their heads off, not giving legal advice to the person that killed their child.

She's a lawyer. Doesn't that tell you all you need to know?

[quote]I DARE one of you to go over to websleuths and say that you think the baby was fugly. Please, someone do it.

I've never heard of that site, but you know even they're thinking it and this should also shut up those dumbasses who worship Beyonce and Jay-Z and said that calling their kids ugly was racist when there was a thread about it.

LOOK AT THIS THREAD, Beyonce-worshiping fools. And this kid is dead!

The cruise ship is responsible for the safety of children on board. They have liability. The video pretty much shows the dude did not purposely kill the child. It is not a murder or manslaughter case. There are other families in that area, but it is not safe for families. It sounds like the family did not receive services, and were harassed. They can sue the cruise ship for that too.

This is the law.

^The family's lawyer

Is their lawyer Lionel Hutz by any chance?

Has anyone found anything about why that child’s head was so huge? Seriously, it looks so abnormal in all the photos.

Yeah, she had a ‘Mars Attacks’ look to her head.

If only Trump had been around to throw some paper towels.

Ask that over on websleuths, R219.

R216, the video proves he's a liar. You can see how far out he stuck his body. If there was a window, he couldn't do that. Face it, if that were an actual danger, you'd hear of dozens of similar incidents. WTF are there always people like you who can't accept that people fuck up? I'm sick of excuses being made for idiots doing stupid things.

It's because of morons, it'll eventually be the law that we all walk around in bubble wrap.

R216 is the girl's mom.

R216, if the grandfather did the same damn thing in his house, what would you say?it wasn’t the facility, it was HIM. Tbh, I felt terrible for him—until I saw the video.

Grandpa said baby Chloe was his best friend. Can you imagine what he’d do to someone he DIDN’T like?

NO place is safe for small children R216. That's why the girl was with her grandfather. It's called adult supervision. Of course when grandpa is a sot things get tricky.

Well he's the kind of guy who'd throw his best friend off a ship for a financial killing.

It was a dumb thing to do but it was definitely an accident. He goes up to the window and sees the view. He wants to show his granddaughter the view as well. He holds her up assuming he can hang onto her. She either squirms or he loses muscle control for a second and a second is all it takes.

Yes, it’s less sexy than grandpa lobbing the tyke over the side, but it’s the more rational explanation.

"The cruise ship is responsible for the safety of children on board. They have liability. The video pretty much shows the dude did not purposely kill the child. It is not a murder or manslaughter case. There are other families in that area, but it is not safe for families. It sounds like the family did not receive services, and were harassed. They can sue the cruise ship for that too.

This is the law."

A drunken fool dangled a tot out of a window and due to his inebriation, dropped the child. The child subsequently experienced having her skull crushed and her brains spread over the deck below.

The role of "the law" is to prosecute to the full extent of the law the perpetrator whose actions led to the child having her skull crushed. She is the only victim here, and the law represents her and her right for justice.

I guarantee you every single safety brochure on that ship, and certainly in the required muster drill already said "Do not sit or put your children on a railing" There was plenty of warning.

"Why were their open windows?" Really? That's your response? On a cruise ship? I'd hate to be with some of you morons on a jury.

It's astounding people even need to be told these things. 'But nobody told us not to hold our child over the rail of the ship!'

[quote]It is not a murder or manslaughter case.

The willfully negligent Grandpa has already been charged, so yes it is.

R229, what “view”?! A concrete slab of a pier in Puerto Rico, 11 stories down?

Wow, that sounds like the kind of thing a baby would just adore seeing.

I’m still cracking up at the idea of one of you bitches going to Websleuths to say how ugly the bald baby was. Those fraus would go bananas.

Some sly fox went there and concern-trolled about Bella Watts’s hair and they were foaming at the mouth. Good times.

Lawyer here and I went on at least 2 cruises on that ship so I'm familiar with that deck (I slept in a hammock right there once after too much to drink and my bunkmate was having a fling). Good times. I had lots of sympathy for them till they started with the claim for $$$$$$$$. Grampa made a stupid mistake lifting the kid up. That window is at least 5 feet off the ground. I'm 6'4' and can comfortably lean on it but not over it.

They'd have gotten some cash from the cruise line to shut them up but they got greedy and now I think the cruise line should tell them to go fuck themselves. It was an accident, plain and simple but there's no way a kid could have gotten up over that window ledge without someone lifting them up. All the claims about it being a "kids area" are bullshit. Yes, its a pool deck area where kids play but short of pulling up a chair, no toddler could even see over that railing. The entire all nearby is glass, she could have banged till her heart was content right there.

Sucks but her gene pool clearly wasn't too clear anyway.

I wish we could hear him on that tape, all of a sudden everybody turns and runs to the window so he must have cried out something after he dropped her.

you need to have lifeguards for all body of waters. natural or pools.

She didn't hit the water

[quote]It sounds like the family did not receive services, and were harassed. They can sue the cruise ship for that too.

"Receive services" is the phrase to note here; if the cruise line had given them bracelets for unlimited top-shelf liquor at the ship's bars as recompense, I'm sure they would have been completely happy.

R230, where did you get info that the kid's brain was spread all over the deck below? Or are you just being an overly hysterical Mary?

The kid was dropped eleven stories, R24. It’s pretty obvious how gory the scene must have been.

He looks late 60s. Probably a longtime drunk.

R241 Eleven stories down onto a concrete dock. It definitely wasn’t pretty.

“Our baby loved getting her head banged on glass walls! Her colorblind grandpa who can’t tell an open window from a closed one was just dangling her over the railing for half a minute! Give us your money!!”

Anyone else notice all the black people walking away after it happened? Probably before they could be blamed somehow. Imagine if one if them had done it. There'd be no "Poor gramps, it was the cruise lines' fault".

Very few are saying "poor Gramps"; out of every 5-10 people there is always an utter dingdong or two who sides with the perpetrator.

[quote]If he was drunk, the cruise line knows exactly how many drinks went on his ship ID.

Are passengers allowed to bring their own booze?

[quote]She didn't hit the water

Some of her did.

[quote]I wish we could hear him on that tape, all of a sudden everybody turns and runs to the window so he must have cried out something after he dropped her.

Yeah, he said:

BOMBS AWAY!!!!!!!

Did he actually hold her outside the window, in open air 11 stories up? The video is unclear to me.

Why, r205? He wasn't related to the child.

[quote]The open window should have had a sticker on it saying it was open.

Placed where, R159? Floating in midair?

Christ, you’re a moron.

You’re obviously a frau.

R253 They were being sarcastic, Rose.

R253 is also moron and obviously a frau!

No they weren’t, R254, but you knew that because that was your post.

Here’s one of the many websleuths links on it.

Toddlers are squirmy, so drunk or not, that was a horrendous lapse in judgment. Plus she may have been frightened by seeing how high up she was, and started resisting his hold. I also think the lawsuit is the only way the family can live with this. It HAS to be someone else's fault.

And the money don't hurt.

R256 No, it wasn’t.

OMG, the poor first responders at the victim area.

OMG x 1,000,000 for the people who had to clean up the carnage.

They’ll be traumatized for the rest of their lives. I seriously doubt grampy was down there taking responsibility for the blood shed.

Blood Shed?

Is that like a sweat lodge for menstruation?

Is the dick that good, granny, that you can't accept your man -through negligence- killed your granddaughter?

Typical trash.

Wonder what the family Christmas was like?

R257, BOR-ING.

The comment about the baby having a Mars Attacks head...I spit out my coffee (and I’m a swallower). Classic DL!!!

She looks like a doll from the late19th century. You know how dolls looked a little "off" back then?

I watched the video again. He doesn’t stumble towards the window so how do we know he was drunk? It almost looks like it was on purpose to be honest which is so sick that I can’t even begin to comprehend. Could it be something similar to that munchausen by proxy syndrome where people kill kids for attention or even money? It just seems too dark and planned for him to not know what he was doing. I don’t know. Perhaps I’m totally off but something doesn’t sit right.

We would have heard already if he were intoxicated. The cruise line and other passengers would have said something about him appearing drunk. If he was drinking, then they have it all on video.

Aren't there cases of people taking cruises with the intent of pushing their spouses overboard?

[quote] I really do think it is bizarre that the cop dad immediately protected drunk Grampy. One would think he would want answers.

Why? Do you actually think cops are inherently moral and truthful?? Have you somehow not noticed that cops always protect their own despite all evidence against them and that they can be quite corrupt themselves?

Are you really this much of a bootlicker???

What are they going to do with all those cranium slimming baby head bands?

^You fucking bitch.

[quote]She looks like a doll from the late19th century. You know how dolls looked a little "off" back then?

No dear, we aren’t all 200 years old like you.

R268, wrong!

They had a video and it was never leaked til it came up at trial. The public didn’t Overwhelmingly back the airline til the video came out. So the cruise line is playing this smart, not on emotions. Clearly you have no patience.

And you don’t have to be a complete mess to be drunk. The grandpa was a bit tipsy (I get tipsy at family parties all the time), thought the view and breeze was beautiful, and then lifted toddler to experience same bliss.

But maybe he wasn’t drunk. If that’s true it makes grandpa look sinister and that he did this on purpose.

When I look at the man I see a dumb drunk, not a master manipulator who came up with an elaborate scheme.

[quote]Are passengers allowed to bring their own booze?

No. In his essay about his cruise experience, David Foster Wallace described the lengths that people go to to sneak booze onto the ship and the lengths the cruise lines go to to prevent it. Liquor is a high mark up item.

[quote]We would have heard already if he were intoxicated. The cruise line and other passengers would have said something about him appearing drunk.

Not necessarily. Career alcoholics and experienced drinkers can appear to be perfectly OK, then bam. Think of Henri Paul, the chauffeur who drove Diana and Dodi into the Paris tunnel. He appeared to be OK on the surveillance tapes, but had been drinking the entire evening.

If he was drinking, then they have it on video, as well as his drink tabs.

R273, the thing about it that smells fishy is the family does know if he was drunk. Most families would be absolutely hysterical after their baby just died a horrible death. They may have seen the body, or it may have been so dissolved there was nothing to see.

I can’t imagine a parent on earth that would shrug off a baby’s death and seek to shield the murderer. Their actions were as bad, or worse, than his.

Any true crime book writer or cop will tell you, when somebody dies and a family member shrugs their shoulders and acts like it’s no big deal, that person becomes a suspect. And that baby’s very public, very sudden, totally unpredictable death would have caused the worst reaction possible. Even if they were just in shock and unable to speak, that’s not trying to offer legal advice to the killer. Not many people could act so coldly even if they wanted to.

I don’t even have any kids, but when I think of being happy on a cruise, then suddenly someone comes forward and tells me my baby just fell 11 stories to her death, I know that would freak me out. Even an adult stranger doing it on a cruise would horrify me.

But “oh well, at least we can save STEP Grandpa”? No way.

Exactly R276. Grandpa would be begging for the coos if that was my kid, stepdad or not.

What's fascinating about the video is the moment it happens and everyone reacts. I can only imagine how loud the horrified screaming was that caused every person to immediately react to it.

Well if he had taken a breathalyzer...

R276, Maybe the cop dad didn’t know grandpa was drunk and stopped drunk grandpa from cooperating because no body knows to distrust cops more than other cops?

I don’t see this theory where the grandpa and cop dad teamed up to kill the child though. Grandpa seems to dumb to do anything that sinister.

I just watched the video, and it's bizarre that he would pick up that baby and put it in the window like that. He wasn't just raising her a little bit to get a quick look outside, he raised her all the way up and forward to place her on the ledge. That alone took my breath away, even before she fell.

This guy is a complete idiot. I can't believe the family is standing by him, especially when he isn't even related to any of them.

That baby girl looks like she's wearing full make-up, including mascara.

Was this a new twist on the Jon Benet Ramsey syndrome?

r282, I was thinking the same thing. Somebody molested that little girl and was afraid of getting caught so they tried to feed her to the sharks.

Boy, only on DL is the actual baby-tossing the least horrific aspect of the situation. A lot of you go to an even darker place.

R284 Well of course we do, this is DL after all, and that is a classic DL reaction, go deep and dark, very dark

[quote]OMG x 1,000,000 for the people who had to clean up the carnage.

Easy peasy.

Nah, R285. No, YOU smell a lot more like Websleuths than DL.

Death-obsessed ghouls.

[quote]I can’t imagine a parent on earth that would shrug off a baby’s death and seek to shield the murderer. Their actions were as bad, or worse, than his.

May I introduce you to the Ramseys, formerly of Boulder, Colorado?

R289 it's one thing to protect your spouse or surviving child. It's another to save your stepfather-inlaw.

Maybe Step-grandad was pissed off at being left to wrangle the brat while everyone else was off having fun. He just wanted to have a few watery drinks and watch whales in their bikinis.

Does the mom have Stockholm syndrome?

Didn't the grandpa scream "I just dropped the baby?"

[quote] Grandpa seems to dumb to do anything that sinister.

Oh, dear!

I read a good account of this a few weeks ago. Apparently, the parents we heading off to some activity. There's a child-care facility on one of the upper decks. Grandpa was heading upstairs and they asked him to drop the baby off.

Gramps' is apparently on the spectrum.

Instead he...dropped the baby off the ship.

The child didn't splatter. She didn't even burst. Instead, she rolled in a zag-zag pattern until she got lodged underneath a deck chair. It took hours to find her.

Where was the stunt baby?

R298 the doll from American Sniper is too famous now. Too expensive.

Most rooms on cruise ships have balconies. There is nothing the cruise line can do to stop grandfathers or anyone else from jumping overboard or throwing babies off the ship. People are expected to be safe and not murder others. But don’t blame the ship for not preventing anyone from being an idiot or evil.

Will grandpa go on trial? Will they introduce the video evidence after closing arguments?

The window and the dock ate my baby!!!

[quote]The cruise ship had an open window where it shouldn't have been

The baby didn't reach the open window by herself—she was lifted from the floor and dropped out of it. With your logic, the entire ship should be hermetically sealed.

It's a good thing that the tot wasn't Jewish - it would have taken quite some time for the ritual cleanup to finish, given the nature of the tot's death.

The concrete ate my grandbaby.

We really shouldn't be joking about the death of a child. Poor little Tater Tot.

R306, you spelled huge-watermelon-headed-tot wrong.

I think there’s more to the story if the dark motives of the evil grandfather could be known.

[quote]Poor little Tater Tot.

More like a Potato Pancake.

No need to get hysterical, R269. This isn’t about being a bootlicker. It’s about questioning the mindset of a dad whose first instinct was to protect his step father in law, while his child was splattered all over the dock. R276 expounds on this further and brings up some good points. It is one thing to be a cop, and be wary of other cops. It is quite another thing to keep that mindset in the face of such a sudden and horrific circumstance.

[quote]The window and the dock ate my baby!!!

A dinghy ate my baby! A dinghy ate my baby!

There, R302. Fixed that for you.

[quote] It is quite another thing to keep that mindset in the face of such a sudden and horrific circumstance.

I don't know why so many of you find this implausible. Everyone responds differently to trauma, and quite often people fall back on their training and expertise. It's why the military and maritime services drill over and over, so that people aren't paralyzed in an emergency. I know that I become deathly calm and clear-headed in emergencies and grief; I only react emotionally later.

[quote]It is quite another thing to keep that mindset in the face of such a sudden and horrific circumstance.

[quote]It's why the military and maritime services drill over and over, so that people aren't paralyzed in an emergency.

WHO THE FUCK PREPARES FOR THIS EVENT?? WHAT KIND OF FATHER PREPARES FOR THIS?????

Fuck the cruise line. Remember when the 2 year old was eaten by alligators at a Disney World hotel? Fuck companies.

Make America safe again! What do you blame the family if their kids gets smushed in a rotating restaurant? The man that got smushed in the elevator, do you blame him? No, you make it idiot proof. Granpappy was an idiot. The way you people talk, you want it to rain bodies because it supports Darwinism.

Yes cops and lawyers are well trained. In their textbooks: 'When your totally pickled step-father drops your child off of an eleven story high ship onto a concrete dock tell him to say nothing and to refuse a breathalyzer test.'

No matter how safe you make something, some idiot can find still a way to get hurt or killed.

[quote] Fuck companies.

Companies should provide safe areas in public spaces, but adults with children should be expected to use due diligence with them. I agree that this grandfather was a real idiot dangling his toddler granddaughter out of an eleventh-floor window. Would anyone think this was a good idea? It makes me wonder if he had some secret nefarious motivation.

[quote]The open window should have had a sticker on it saying it was open.

Yes, the whole world should be plastered in warnings and disclaimers to accommodate idiots like you. Go take a walk down the train tracks and earn your Darwin Award, you stupid fuck.

Well, someone's taking this thread way too seriously.

[quote]Well, someone's taking this thread way too seriously.

Fraus and lawyers.

Is it really so bad?

Better than walking by dead bodies. Signs> dead bodies.

The father is a cop and the mother is a former prosecutor, I read. Their toddler just died horriifically and all they cared about was step gramps not blowing in a breathalizer? Odd priorities.

At one pont in the video, it appears his left hand is braced against the wall, inside the window. So he was holding a human child, 11 stories up, on the palm of one hand?!! Even Michael Jackson used 2 hands to hold that poor baby. THEN they lawyered up and went after $$$ immediately. Kinda makes it seem intentional. Was there life insurance on the baby? Was something else being covered up?

I have never seen makeup on a baby like that.

She was in dire need of a baby wig!

I just couldnt watch the whole video. I dont need that garbage in my head . I almost could have bought the accident angle until all the lawsuits and lying started. I think he did it on purpose .And I think they know it .

Yes, R318, and when you jump out of an airplane, the clouds should be filled with little signs that say "open your parachute," you stupid fuck.

R312, there is a vast difference between reacting to an emergency calmly and reacting to your own sudden, gruesome tragedy that was caused by someone you trusted. This scenario would break most people, even those with training.

R326 (I'm not 312). I've been through two situations in my life that involved a devastating painful experience along with a kind of "Jesus, take the wheel," circumstance. Though I'm a Peter Pan, where most of my entire life has been frivolous kid stuff, I turned into the adult in the room. I had trouble believing it was me, even while it was going on. Might have been an adrenalin thing. But, while I was experiencing a personal tragedy, that was not foremost in my mind.

I kind of think that, when it comes down to it, we all have a list of tragedies that we might expect in our lives. But difficult situations are a separate, though related, thing. If you're in a burning house with six of your children, you want to rescue as many of them as you can. You don't just give up when you realize you can't save them all.

If only Shelley Winters had been onboard to dive out the window and save her.

Gramps, you're the MAN!

^LOL

Really, at this point, they might as well sue Isaac and claim he served Pee-Paw too many drinks.

You can just as much fun tossing a watermelon out of an eleven-story window, and there's not the problem of legal entanglements. Plus, it's much easier to clean up.

Can we do an informal poll?

State your education level and whether you believe the grandfather had nefarious intentions of not?

Maybe I am wrong. I didn't think the couple who helped the Go Fund Me homeless man were con artists either.

What's the world I know?

OOPS! No organ donation from her!

I’d be keeping a close eye on heartless psycho nazi cop dad. Seems like the type who will take his anger out on black men.

I’m sure Mayor Pete won’t mind.

[quote] the grandfather had nefarious intentions

tbh i don’t think he had any intentions whatsoever. he’s just not right in the mind, whether by alcohol or inherent with him

[quote] I’m sure Mayor Pete won’t mind.

What are you, a homophobic Trumpster?

I really don’t think the grandfather did it on purpose, but the actions of the parents make me pause, for sure. He’s not a blood grandparent, so I don’t get the concern (not being a parent of either the mother or the father). I would be beyond angry at him....but I think, sadly, that the parents soon realized there might be a huge pay day if the cruise line were held liable. On the other hand, to give the parents benefit of the doubt, they may have believed his story at first—that the window was missing. In fact, that was the original story. So I could see why they might support him at first, if they bought his story and thought that a window was mistakenly missing or left open. But after the video, no doubt grandpa knew the window wasn’t there.

R327 But this has nothing to do with the emergency of the dropped girl itself but saving the murderer's ass so that he would be found not guilty in order to pin it on the cruise line for a big payout. They probably knew he had had a couple of drinks. I for some reason think you were more concerned with the tragedy at hand and those that it affected than the culpability of the perpetrator if indeed there was one.

Maybe the parents saw it as an opportunity for a do-over....

Have they set up a GoFundMe to get them another cruise, since this one was ruined?

Ruined?

Pish posh. A slight inconvenience. Let’s not make this a bigger deal than it has to be.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall when the video was finally screened for the parents.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall when the video was finally screened for the parents.

If the whole thing happened, and Step-Pappaw cried and acted sorry and bravely went to jail-- we'd all be sad for him and the family. (or most of us would be.) Who hasn't done something really stupid? But the way the grifter family acted and went for the payout, it's all too sickening. Just one more thing that makes me ashamed to be from the USA. Everything, even a child's death, is an opportunity to make money. Oh, and wasn't Chloe a preemie? She'd already cost them a bundle.

I went to Websleuths. They despise Sal, the grandfather, and blame him 100%. Some even believe it was murder. They're not too fond of the parents either, but Little Chloe is a Saint.

[quote] Who hasn't done something really stupid?

I don't claim to be a rocket scientist, but I have NEVER done anything as idiotic as placing a baby on an open window ledge 10 stories up.

You would have if that baby had been your best friend.

Aren't we all going to feel foolish when it's revealed that Chloe was depressed and suicidal and convinced her step-grandfather to toss her out the window to end her misery

So in their deep grief this family lied about the step-grandfather's awareness of the open window; about his wanting to help the child "bang on the glass" (while dangling outside it?); and about his level of sobriety, by getting him to refuse a Breathalyzer test.

Nice.

[quote]OOPS! No organ donation from her!

Well . . .

Anyone know how long he had been in the family? Did he raise the mom or join the family afterwards?

Assuming it is the booze that has aged him so much. He is not right in the head and should be in prison.

What do the folks at Webslueths make of a full face of makeup on an 18 month old toddler?

The granddad's lawyer is saying that the video doesn't tell the whole story in that there was a railing in front of the glass panels and that it was hard to see the glass open. But still, the grandad dangled her over the railing so she could pound on the window that turned out to be open.

What amazes me is how her parents and grandparents thought it was ok to let the kid pound on glass/plexiglass for fun. There's a video of the kid pounding on the plexiglass of a hockey rink as she watched her older brother play hockey. Allowing her to do that is stupid, dangerous, and disregards the property of others.

I agree with other posters who have said the granddad was drunk.

R352, I heard after.

Maybe we’re looking at this wrong. Since they were best friends than maybe drunk grandpa knew the truth about Chloe. She’s transpiritual. Meaning she was a spirit trapped in a physical body.

R203 I think the ship was docked. In any event, the baby fell onto the deck below and not into the water.

[quote] What amazes me is how her parents and grandparents thought it was ok to let the kid pound on glass/plexiglass for fun.

It reminds me of all those videos of little kids taunting animals behind plexiglass in zoos. Even if there were glass there, it could easily break.

Her parents are white republicans who have had everything handed to them. Of course they let the brat run around causing problems.

Somehow I'm reminded of a book of jokes I bought from Scholastic Books in elementary school.

Little Willy, with a shout, gouged the baby's eyeballs out.

He stomped on them to hear the pop. Mother said, "Now, William, stop!"

Willy, with a thirst for gore, nailed his sister to the door.

Mother said, with humor quaint, "Willy, dear, don't scratch the paint."

Full makeup, R353?

R322 When my friend's son was about 4 or 5, I thought it would be fun for him if I did the old flying gag. I laid on my back and had him put his stomach on my extended legs. He was heavier than I thought and he careened off to the side and tumbled onto the floor when my legs buckled. I was horrified. I thought that I could have really injured him. He bounced back up and breathlessly exclaimed, "I'm ok! I'm ok!"

Thank God that I hadn't killed him.

Maybe the granddad felt the same thing. He didn't know he was going to buckle and drop the kid out of the window.

Look what those webfraus discovered.

R363 How does that have anything to do w/ the baby being dropped out the window by her granddad? And, what makes you think the Websleuth posters made this latest discovery?

Uh, what's your issue, R364? It's a story about a death from a fall on a cruise ship, and what makes me think they "found" the story is that it was posted on their thread about the cruise ship grandpa. Is that okay with you?

Sadly, since there was no glass to pound on, Baby Bubblehead didn't get to die doing what she loved, unless, maybe, she was also really into free falling. I wonder.

The parents sound really awful. I feel less and less sorry for them. There is nothing more annoying than a screeching toddler being permitted to be destructive and loud, while its parents think it’s cute. If you allow your child to bang on glass, you deserve the fallout. As for Step Drop Pop, I don’t even think the promise of a fat lawsuit would prevent most people from wanting to kill him in the same scenario. I love my father and maybe I could someday forgive him if he stupidly killed my kid. But if it was just my parent’s fuck piece who did it, I’d go straight for their throat.

[quote]Sadly, since there was no glass to pound on, Baby Bubblehead didn't get to die doing what she loved,

She got to pound the pavement...once.

Although I’m here to discuss this weird case in a serious manner, I can’t help but enjoy the gallows humor. You bitches are savage.

[quote] I think the ship was docked. In any event, the baby fell onto the deck below and not into the water.

Well, most of her anyway.

Maybe he thought he could catch her on the first bounce.....

Eh, I don’t believe the kid was at all bratty or had a penchant for pounding on windows. The parents are trying to create a scenario by which they can shove the blame off grandpa.

Well they did have video of her banging on the glass at her brother’s hockey game, so she did at least do that annoying thing.

[quote]Well they did have video of her banging on the glass at her brother’s hockey game, so she did at least do that annoying thing.

Not anymore.

Ta.

R372 That's what the Websleuthers say about St Baby Chloe.

If you want to kill a baby, throwing it out the window is guaranteened to draw attention. I don't believe this is anything but a mistake by a drunken idiot.

If you were going to do this on purpose, why do it on the first day of the cruise? Why not enjoy the cruise and do it on the last day? I am under the impression the cruise had just started- correct me if I’m wrong. Drop Pop was drunk.

If this was the first day, he was definitely drunk. Every vacation I’ve ever been on, the first day was drunk day. By the last, I’m sober and ready to go home.

Maybe his hands were slippery from hand sanitizer.

R377, That would be Drop Pop-Pop.

r377 - if you're going to wait until the last day of your vacation, what's the point? They were looking forward to a good time.

Are we really sure that "baby" wasn't a 31 year old Ukrainian orphan trying to fleece mom and dad and this was their way of getting rid of her?

lol. r382

Speaking of Ukrainian orphans, whatever happened to her?

He isn't the first stupid person to dangle a small child out of window and unfortunately he wouldn't be the last. I remember Michael Jackson dangling Blanket out of window and thinking he was lucky he didn't drop the kid.

I wonder why they believe other video will exhonerate Step Drop Pop.

Grammy has poor taste in side pieces.

That the parents (unrelated to Step Drop Pop by blood) are protecting the murderer suggests the potential it was planned and linked to a money grab. That a former prosecutor and current LEO urged the murderer of their BABY to refuse a breathalyzer beggars belief. Wonder what the bio grandfather thinks of his replacement and this whole mess?

R369 welcome to the DL, where classic bitchiness with a touch of cuntiness rules the day.

R386 needs to be banned. At least until he buys me a new phone after causing me to ruin mine with coffee.

*lmaaaaaaao over that pic*

Have we found out what was wrong with that kid's head and face yet?

The step gramps looks somewhat retarded based on the OP's photo. Why would anybody leave him in charge of anything?

It looks like someone tried to cover it up with lipgloss and mascara, R390. Very odd choices fora parent of an 18 month old to make.

What are you talking about, R392? It doesn't look like she's wearing any lip gloss or mascara to me at all.

Look again, R393.

What is going on with her ankle, here?

Horrific thing to have to write.

Is the rumor about life insurance true?

I still don't see any mascara or lip gloss, R394. Some people have dark eyelashes and it can look like they're wearing mascara I suppose. Anyway, when I asked what was wrong with her face at R390, I meant that she was a very peculiar looking child and I wondered if there was something wrong with her medically or physically. She was a toddler but her face didn't really have the roundness/softness that most children her age have - also, a large head like hers could be the sign of certain medical conditions.

She was a preemie and was said to have medical issues.

Her mother claimed the child had an interest in makeup, many kids do (who here sneaked some lip gloss from Mum or a sister to try?!).

I knew a child with that sort of hair and it was linked to a medical problem/condition.

What is the story about life insurance? Would they pay with no investigation given these circumstances? Whole thing is tragic, of course, but just feels so off somewhow.

Poor kid, but it seems pretty obvious she was going to go grow up and look like Rebekah Mercer.

He was a STEPgrandfather...If I were the baby's mother, they'd be booking me for murdering my STEPfather!

maybe they hired a hit man to pose as a stupid stepgrandpa

[quote] She was a preemie

So she came out early and left early.

Man, with that kid's noggin, Alice Garvey would've survived that fire.

R402

What were Mommy and Daddy (and Grandma) doing that Grandpa had to watch her?

Cruise Grandpa looks like Pa Markle.

R404, they were going to an “event”. Grandpa was taking care to a daycare center hence the hysteria of being nears a kids area.

Wasn’t all this on day one as well? They were all tires from each other on day one!

Holy shit, r406!

Proofread FFS!

R407, proofread?!

What type of loser spends his time proofreading what they wrote on an anonymous gossip board?

Is your life so empty you got nothing better to do? Go suck a dick! Oh wait you’re too ugly hence you’re obsession with spelling and grammar.

[quote] What type of loser spends his time proofreading what they wrote on an anonymous gossip board?

Virtually everyone here. Except, apparently, for you.

R409, good point!

Most people on this board are old ugly and racists! So I’m glad not to be included!

Yet here you are!

Does the United States have an extradition treaty with Puerto Rican?

[quote]hence you’re obsession with spelling and grammar.

Oh.

Fucking.

Dear.

Considering the daycare. I wonder if he was asked to drop her off. Old people get confused.

Someone explain the Demi Lovato thing. What exactly happened to her? Why is she crying?

Wrong thread ^ Doh

Dude is like 51, he just looks old cuz he is a raging alchy.

Rumors of his prior DUIs and of life insurance on the tot, anything confirmed?

Who's 51??? Grandpa? GTFO of here!

Straight men age like moldy cheese.

This unfortunate child (in many ways) had macrocephaly. It could have been genetic or due to some underlying condition, including autism.

Brad Pitt is five years older than him!!! OMG! Halle Berry is two years older!!!

This is more shocking to me than the actual baby tossing!

[quote]baby tossing!

More of a fumble.

Gpa is the same age as Marc Anthony!

Steve Carrell is several years older than Gramps. Rob Lowe, Jon Bon Jovi, all years older.

This man...is practically the same age as Gwen Stefani!

He knew the window was open but, in drunken hubris, placed her on the railing / ledge. She probably squirmed and he lost his grip. He didn't intend to toss the tot.

[quote]Are we really sure that "baby" wasn't a 31 year old Ukrainian orphan trying to fleece mom and dad and this was their way of getting rid of her?

31-year-old should have been hyphenated.

WW anyway.

[quote]He didn't intend to toss the tot.

TOT TOSS PAPA!

[quote]Oh wait you’re too ugly hence you’re obsession with spelling and grammar.

To the grease fire, you dumb cunt.

that video where the lawyer said he held her over the railing "to get a better view". WTF? A baby that age isn't interested in the view of a dock, that makes no sense.

Either way, she got a close up view.

Too close for comfort

R431 Welcome to the view! Welcome to the view! Welcome to the view! Welcome to the...Splat!

Why is she’s balding at R425?

R10 yikes everyone is so eager to see what happened down below. Gross.

[quote]Oh wait you’re too ugly hence you’re obsession with spelling and grammar.

and this is why Trump won. "I don't need no fancy librul edjumacation" and so they voted for another illiterate fool.

It's only been brought up a few times, but who in their right mind thinks it's okay for any child to beat on glass windowpanes? This toddler was actually encouraged to do this wherever, and then gramps decided to help her to beat on the windows of a cruise ship?

The whole family are idiots.

It's so loud in those ice rinks, how was the hockey player brother supposed to hear her while she was banging on the glass windows anyway. Stupid

R425, he looks like my father. My father turns 70 in 6 months.

is grandpa indicted yet? he really should be tried for killing the tot.

What was wrong with this child? Why was she bald? If you a parent and your child is ugly, do you secretly hope the child will disappear somehow. Serious question. I need to know. Do parents love their ugly children the same?

What was wrong with this child? Why was she bald? If you a parent and your child is ugly, do you secretly hope the child will disappear somehow. Serious question. I need to know. Do parents love their ugly children the same?

Gramps is 2 years younger than Rachel True.

[Quote]I need to know. Do parents love their ugly children the same?

Dunno, ask your mom & dad.

Are all kids from Indiana odd looking, or just Chloe and the boy shot by his father?

R442 not a parent of human children but I once had an ugly-ass small dog that I loved with every fiber of my being. So maybe it's the same with human children?

R442 not a parent of human children but I once had an ugly-ass small dog that I loved with every fiber of my being. So maybe it's the same with human children?

Different thing, R447, ugly dogs are adorable.

R444 come sit by me!

The baby tosser gramps is 51?? Is he related to CZJ by any chance??

"when society grooms you to believe you have limitless freedom to do as you please whenever you please"

Oh, brother, what absurd twaddle. Grandpa's tragic behavior an example of extremely poor personal judgment and has NOTHING to do with society.

R444, I can’t. I am beautiful. Kind of easy to love me.

R37 Wow. What kind of idiot holds a squeamish infant outside a window like that....

I believe the name you’re looking for is Michael Jackson.

R452 =

It is so cold that the parents aggressively circled the wagons around him immediately. He is not even a relative and he just murdered their baby whilst --playing games-- according to staff on the scene. That and the balls to the wall tacticst o try to squeeze big $ out of the cruise ship do raise the possiblility that it was premeditated. Yet, presumably he would not take a plea as it would torpedo the civil $$$ suit, so is the bereaved mom really protecting a stepfather who did not even raise her or her own civil suit. Step Drop Pop has an acting background and numerous tickets for speeding and failure to wear a seatbelt and a misdemeanor ticket that is usually related to public intoxication in IN. Plus, where he lives he could easily have tix in MI or OH as well. Interestingy, the murderer was the ONLY one who did not request sedation.

The ship has very clear HD video and witnesses both on the scene and on the dock, where a worker ran to find a supervisor upon observing his antics/actions.

His interview with fake tears reminded me of recent chld killers.

Such a disturbing family. With dad a LEO and mom a former prosecutor, lotta likelihood for spaths there. She was a preemie, did she have ongoing SN that made the family reject here? There is a weird vibe to the fact that she sometimes appears to be wearing make up in photos as a young toddler. Kinda Jon Benet-ish.

RIP munchkin. Hope the older boy is doing ok and is getting support whilst the adults seem focused on litigation and PR appearances to extort $.

What is SN?

I believe “Special Needs.”

R455, sending good thoughts and wishes and prayers for special blessings your way.

xoxo

Oh, dear! *my kingdom for an edit button*

Please change “special blessings” to “favor and blessings.”

Grandma must need that D pretty bad to stick with this loser.

Did the baby bounce or go splat?

R441, fortunately, most parents of ugly children don’t even realize their children are ugly. They can’t see it. And if they do, they love them anyway.

Most of them.

R461 True story.

I think Debbie Reynolds said that when she was hired by her first studio which was Warners her father said 'Why? You aren't pretty." And she had just won Miss Burbank.

r460 bounced. Several times. In random directions.

Has the judge dismissed the case yet?

No, r465, the check hasn’t cleared yet.

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They still have to prove their case, I doubt that the cruise line will take this lying down

SPLAT!

Here's what to do ...

Drop the kid ...

And prepare to suuuuuuue ...

Exactly, r468.

I really r ewww LLP hope they go after the drunk grandpa with vengeance. Tech that’s the only way they can beat the lawsuit.

And the parents certainly don’t care about drunk grandpa. If they were to win millions from this lawsuit, I bet they’d kick grandpa to the curve the day after. They are only being friendly to him because of the lawsuit.

If there had never been a possibility of this lawsuit, I bet the family would’ve kicked out drunk grandpa one day one. But that didn’t happen cause they knew on day one a lawsuit was possible!

Kick him to the curb, you mean.

[quote] This is what happens when society grooms you to believe you have limitless freedom to do as you please whenever you please, and it's up to others to come to your rescue or clean up your mess.

Well, to be fair, I guess someone else DID clean up that particular mess.

[quote]Has Pete Buttigieg weighed in? They're from his town, right?

Joy Reid had an entire show today in which she and her panel focused on how Pete can't win because of his low support among the baby-flinging community. Apparently it's a big deal. Pete has to start flinging babies in order to have a fighting chance.

Then it’s a-flingin’ he shall be!!

We’ll take volunteers first.

BREAKING:

Grandfather will plead guilty but will not serve jail time

Drop Pop going down just like Chloe.......takes a plea.....family will continue lawsuit against cruise line.

'Babies'...

Tot Drop Pop-pop Cops to Kerplop to Make it Stop

Can someone explain how they are proceeding with the lawsuit in light of Drop Pops plea ? isnt that rather pointless ?

I don’t blame him for dropping the little snot factory. I despise children.

R480, I think part of drunk grandpas plea is that he doesn’t openly admit guilt.

GRAMPS' HOLIDAY HIJINKS END IN HOMOCIDE

I'm his age and he looks like he could be my father, and I'm not one of the DLers who claim I look 20 years younger. Gramps is ROUGH and his wife also looks like an old lady. Also he is stepdad to the mother of the little girl so I am surprised he is not on her shit list.

[quote]Tot Drop Pop-pop Cops to Kerplop to Make it Stop

I shouldn't laugh at that cracked me up

[quote] GRAMPS' HOLIDAY HIJINKS END IN HOMOCIDE

He didn’t kill a top, he killed a tot.

That kids tater head could have fisted someone

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JFC. I had to do a week in jail for DUI but this fucker can kill a kid and serve no time!

Seriously, r489. What the hell? He held her out the window for about half a minute! No way in hell he didn’t know there was no glass.

Drop Pop Cops Plea.

Cruise grandpa must have started early on his drink package. Furthermore, that window was adjacent to a bar not a children's play area.