If Bernie Loses to Trump

Sorry about the typos. No offense intended. Please don't rage out

Why would we be angry at Sanders? It would be the Russians hacking and the Republicans letting them hack that would re-elect Trump.

What a stupid question.

I have a feeling they'll say that it's America's inherent corruption and the selfishness and ignorance of the electorate. They will say the playing field is unfair because people are scared of class warfare and talk of revolution.

It's kind of like blaming one's loss at a board game on the way a board game was laid out well beforehand. The existing terrain was all wrong: it's the American electorate's fault for being so small-minded (as opposed to a candidate fashioning his/her approach to cater to the preexisting electorate).

And/or they'll just say all the voting machines were hacked.

Hardball it is.

Since you’re so concerned about Senator Sanders’ chances of beating Trump, I’m assuming you WANT Dump to be defeated, and so your primary concern when indulging in a hypothetical scenario in which Sanders is the nominee would presumably be to discuss HOW we can get Dump defeated if Sanders is indeed voted the Democratic nominee.

Are you a Democrat? I am, and you see, this...

And this...

If Bernie were to lose, it would be because the supporters of other candidates had failed to embrace him and therefore they would be to blame.

R2, I can't tell if you're trolling. I never asked whether they'd blame Bernie - of course they wouldn't: he's their savior and it'll be the world that's too far gone and corrupt to appreciate him.

I'm wondering if they'll consider the possibility that the political market wasn't as interested in buying what Bernie was selling as they thought, and if they'll say something like "Ah, I guess I misunderstood the terrain and what voters really wanted."

Or will they rage out and blame Russia, America, capitalism, money in politics, etc.? Will they blame moderate Democrats? Will they blame the party for having done enough to get Bernie elected?

Concern me more. A Democratic Senator and a Democratic Governor OPENLY admitting they’d vote for Trump if Bernie is the nominee.

Now, about your concern: WILL YOU HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE?

Are you willing or even able to admit that two Democratic leaders in the party vowing to vote for Trump if a particular Democratic presidential candidate becomes the Democratic nominee should be ousted from the party?

Are you?

Yes, r6. That what I figured would be their conclusion.

It's like opening an experimental and weFrench restaurant in the middle of Noeth Dakota: the restaurant fails, but it's the fault of the region for not appreciating what's on offer.

R8, if people who are not only Democrats, but elected officials who have run for office themselves and know what is required, don’t want Bernie, that’s good enough for me.

Please create threads for all the other possible nominees. I was just curious about Bernie in particular because of the extreme passion of his supporters: how does that level of fervor affect one's reasoning after a negative outcome?

There's no other candidate other than Trump with such a passionate, almost religious following. I didn't create a thread like this for Trump because he's already had the opportunity to lead. Bernie's followers are saying: you've abused him and excluded him, cheating him the last time from his rightful nomination as the Democratic candidate —you just have to give him a shot and there'll be a huge groundswell of support and he'll win.

What if that doesn't happen?

You’re a Republiturd, op. You fool no one.

At the very least, you’re a neolibCON, lol.

Please don't get angry. It's just an inquiry. It's not meant to offend and I apologise for offending anyone.

R12, I can't tell if you're goofing on ideologues and their possible reaction to a question like this.

It's impugning the person asking the question, as opposed to just reasonably answering the question.

R4, I am indeed a Democratic. I created the Everyone Hates Susan Collins's thread.

It's just a question. I'm curious about the nature of the devotion to Bernie. It's unique. I'm curious how it'll okay out should he win the nomination but not be elected.

I'm not trying to offend. I will gladly vote for Bernie if he's the nominee. I just don't have the zeal for him that many, many others do, and I was curious. That's all.

R13 So answer the question that begins at R4, goes through R5, and ends at R8?

Just a simple query, really...

indeed a *Democrat

Sorry, typing on my phone.

[quote]Are you willing or even able to admit that two Democratic leaders in the party vowing to vote for Trump if a particular Democratic presidential candidate becomes the Democratic nominee should be ousted from the party?

Both of these articles from October of last year.

And even Sinema's comments reflect that she was asked this question when there, as she said, "20" people running.

(Okay it's nap time!)

*are from October of last year

*when there were, as she said ...

I despise that mother fucking Bernie, but...I will vote for him if he is the Democratic candidate. I would expect everyone who is a Democrat to do the same and I would do that no matter who was the candidate. But now way, now how am I voting for that fuck in in the primary. But, if he becomes the nominee, he’s got my vote.

Absolutely will do, R16:

[quote] Democratic Governor OPENLY admitting they’d vote for Trump if Bernie is the nominee.

[quote] Now, about your concern: WILL YOU HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE?

[quote] Are you willing or even able to admit that two Democratic leaders in the party vowing to vote for Trump if a particular Democratic presidential candidate becomes the Democratic nominee should be ousted from the party?

I am a Democrat, and yes, absolutely oust them. It's repugnant, not voting for Bernie is he's the nominee, and actively voting for Cheeto. You're right.

Are you not curious abot the “devotion” Democratic Senators of Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia have to the Democratic Party?

They’ve both admitted they’ll vote for Trump if Bernie is the nominee, after all.

Seems to me you have BIGGER fish to fry.

R22, I answered you at r21. They are horrible and should be ousted.

Won't you answer my questions? How will Bernie's base react? How will they explain a bad (yes, it's terrible if he's not elected) outcome?

Bernie wasn’t cheated out of anything. He lost the primary by millions of votes. People didn’t want to vote for him. That’s not being cheated.

Bernie did his best in caucus states, where Bernie Bros harassed people and made them uncomfortable. I live in a caucus state. There were so many stories of elderly people being harassed by Bernie Bros, which is illegal, that many of my elderly neighbors refused to even go. Nobody did anything. He won.

If anyone was cheated it was the voters who felt too intimidated to show up. Caucuses also discriminate against the elderly and disabled, who can’t go through a long ordeal just to vote. It’s too hard for them, and there’s a lot of elderly retirees in my city. If there’s too much standing, they can’t vote. Bernie doesn’t care, that venue favors him so he doesn’t care that he’s robbing people of their right to vote.

In the primaries, Bernie did much better with whites. Hillary got all the blacks but a few. But this time, Buttigieg is being attacked for low black polling, when last time it was Bernie. But Bernie’s getting a free pass as usual.

I didn't say that Bernie was/wasn't cheated. I said that's the position of his supporters.

I understood when writing this that I'd get those reflexive responses. I think it's inconceivable to most Bernie supporters that he might lose should he win the nomination and the election is free and fair (which it probably won't be but this is just a hypothetical scenario). It's just a theoretical question, but I understand that they'd feel offended. I just hoped they'd engage and open up with what's they're thinking about given such a scenario (other than "this is blatant trolling/Boris/die, scum/Trumptard,, etc.).

But yeah, DL isn't that kind of place. 😓

I think they will vote for Trump, or stay home, OP. They are cultists and Trump is another cult.

R26, the question is what happens if Bernie wins the nomination but loses in the general election.

To passionate Bernie supporter who harangued me: I answered you honestly. I understand you're very passionate: I'd appreciate an answer, since I answered your questions. Please don't exhibit bad faith.

You are not going to get a straight answer from them OP because cult followers cant fathom their leader could ever be wrong. They will instead attack you and everything non-Berine.

So to answer your question, based on how they handled losing the last time to Hillary, they will go into total denial, blame everyone except themselves. Then selfishly drop out of doing the hard work to win next time around claiming the process is rigged so why bother. Basically like little children who don't get their way.

I'm reading this now. It's interesting.

Sanders is even with Biden among black voters in the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll.

I'm curious about his foreign policy. I think answers to these would be informative:

If North Korea invades South Korea, threatening to use nukes unless South Korea's military surrender and its government surrender, would Bernie have America defend the latter under the very longstanding defense arrangement between America and South Korea?

What is South Korea's social-democratic (more down-low socialIst, actually) President Moon Jae-In suspends elections to serve another term or three or five? Would Bernie support sanctions against Moon and his aides and advisors? Would his administration take any other actions?

I'm kind of expecting "Well that wouldn't happen. You're so stupid for asking, you fucking troll. Go kill yourself, you ugly fucking piece of garbage. Etc." from any Bernie supporters who reply. I think I'm getting it now. I've been a bit slow.

unless South Korea military *stands down

What *if South Korea's social-democratic

Still no answer. Telling.

If he doesn't get the nomination, Milwaukee will burn, apparently.

Real good sports.

The problem, if he is not nominated, is a potential 3rd party candidate. Jill Stein siphoned enough votes to doom Hillary. Ralph Nader siphoned enough votes to doom Gore. Ross Perot (on the other side) did enough to doom GHW Bush.

The left loses because of purity tests-rather than fighting the real enemy

You don't have to worry: Bernie will NOT be nominated by the democrats. They hate his tired, old, communist ass as much as the rethublicants.

They'll blame it on anyone but themselves and their candidate. I've dealt with them--they live in a state of serious denial, cherry-pick polls, attack other candidates non-stop, but disappear when you ask them basic questions about Bernie's record and lack of accomplishments.

It really is a cultlike mentality akin to Trump. I have a Berner relative who works at Google--hasn't figured out that he's the enemy in the upcoming revolution that he wants.

[quote] You are not going to get a straight answer from them OP because cult followers cant fathom their leader could ever be wrong. They will instead attack you and everything non-Bernie.

They are just like Corbyn supporters. You will see many reactions like "How could this happen??? I don't know anyone who DIDN'T support him"; "America doesn't deserve Bernie"; "Bernie is an honorable man, how could he lose????". They will fail to acknowledge that the internet is NOT reality and that there are so many millions of voters in the real world who don't support his ridiculous policies. Keep in mind Corbyn supporters reacted like this when he only got 30 something percent of the vote. And yet, they still couldn't conceive that, hey, maybe Corbyn was just a really, really bad leader? No. No, it's the people who are wrong.

R41 Spot on. Everything and everyone but Corbyn was responsible for the most crushing Labour defeat since the 1930s. It is clear that despite his historic electoral failure that he is reluctant to go -- and his Momentum shock troops are fighting hard for the Corbynism continuity candidate, Long-Bailey. Cultists, of whatever flavour, are by definition incapable of rational self-reflection.

Blaming everyone else.

R42, ugh, that's obnoxious and I can see Bernie pulling something similar based on the last election, i.e., "the DNC is rigged".

R43, wow, what fucking idiots. Even the audience was laughing!!! So fucking clueless.

There really needs to be a documentary on how disastrous this election was for Labour. One that is totally unsympathetic to Corbyn and his supporters, hopefully.

Clueless.

Prelude to November.

Steve Schmidt said Americans will always vote for a psychopath vs a socialist. Then again, he was on Howard Schultz campaign.

Who’s our Owen Jones?

Clueless

Who cares?

She describes how Bernie will act.

Jesus, Owen Jones clearly masturbates to the sound of his own voice: " bla bla bla, bla bla, bla bla bla bla, bla bla".

Clarkson on Corbyn.

Delusion.

Jacobin is just in love with it's own opinions. Of course they would say that.

I would love to see a Bernie Trump debate. It would be like your two crazy grandpas fighting over the remote.

Which one would go into cardiac arrest first, R59? Or, would they both die on-stage?

Biden looks good in CA.

I hope it’s over soon.

If Bernie "wins" it will be the only accomplishment of his Presidency. He hates everything and vetoes or votes 'no' on things for the slightest detail he doesn't like. Big baby.

Half the posts on this thread from just one poster, the OP. Wow....

What’s with Bernie and rape? Is Snopes part of the conspiracy against him?

Snopes MUST be run by Hilbots, R65! Hateful neolib, cishet, HILBOTS!

I don’t like this. I guess that makes me neocon scum.

Bernie is a die hard socialist. The problem is he still doesn't get why socialism fails in the long run.

Bernie is not going to get the nom. He might win a few early states but the big states that matter are going for Biden. I know I’m fighting the hypo, but let’s face facts.

Yep. Bernie mostly won caucuses and small states. He was wiped out in the South and also lost all the big blue states except Michigan.

I think that last debate really helped Biden--he's looking like the choice for grown-ups.

I just hope Biden chooses a female VP. It would be great for us to have a female president but I don't think Warren really has a chance of winning the Democratic nomination (she's currently third). If we can't have a female president in 2020, let's at least have a female VP. It's about fucking time.

Uncle Joe will only serve one term and if Liz is smart she will take the VP slot. Let america calm down after 4 years of mayhem and then slowly build the case for more than incremental change

R72 that is why I still like Warren despite some of the (appropriate) criticisms against her. I think she is savvy even though she promotes herself as a populist. She is far more intelligent about politics and finance than Bernie and she does seem to have a strong head on her shoulders. I kind of feel that Biden should choose a younger female VP of color (as a contrast to him), but Warren would work too. And she is well-liked in many parts of the country.

Trump lickspittle Hugh Hewitt told Chuck Todd this morning that he will vote in the Massachusetts Democratic primary for Bernie.

Hugh Hewitt = cunt.

If Bernie Sanders wins the Dem nomination....win or lose in the general election, we might as well kiss the good ol USA goodbye. Seriously. Sanders is the Democratic pawn of Putin...just ask Tad Devine...and Robert Mueller...and all the red flags and sirens that go off when his name is mentioned. ARE YOU REALLY THAT SELF ABSORBED AND IGNORANT NOT TO SEE IT FOR YOURSELF OP ? ARE YOU THAT ANTI-AMERICA ?

[quote] ARE YOU REALLY THAT SELF ABSORBED AND IGNORANT NOT TO SEE IT FOR YOURSELF OP ? ARE YOU THAT ANTI-AMERICA ?

It's really sad how popular Bernie is with leftists all over the world (along with moderates who mistakenly think he's not extreme). One SJW girl from Singapore posted on her twitter how no matter how people try to attack Bernie, nothing sticks because they have nothing on him (she is ignoring reality). Also, a gem from her: "America, if you vote for Biden, you deserve everything you get." Anti-Americanism seems to be a repeating theme with Bernie fans regardless if they are American or not.

r77...exactly....notice how those statements can be made about Trump also....just switch out the names and weve heard them 1000 times for Trump

R78, yup, the attitudes and reactions towards both are exactly the same.

His supporters are a cult like Jeremy Corbyn’s in the UK. They will never accept the outcome and will blame everything but their fringe ideology.

[quote] They will never accept the outcome and will blame everything but their fringe ideology.

As if I'd said elsewhere, you'll here a lot of "BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR BERNIE" and "We don't deserve Bernie. WE are not good enough!".

Since there’s no way Trump is going to lose in 2020, I say give the nomination to Bernie, let him lose massively, then the Democratic Party can put an end to this far left freak show. As long as they don’t get the nomination and lose, they’ll never be told to sit down and shut up.

The thing about T Rump is that he is his own worst enemy. I fully expect him to go off the rails again and again before the election. here's hoping that america will get it one of these times.

The US would fall apart under a Sanders administration. It’s the first time I wouldn’t blame them for keeping Trump in office. Bernie is fucking nuts.

R76, WTF? What makes you think I like Bernie?

Reading comprehension is important.

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I like Bernie, but his constant "tax the rich" M.O. is tired now. There's so many other policy positions that should be debated, but he constantly goes back to blaming rich people for everything. Its a turnoff at this point.

More taxes is fine, but they want to use the same Trump tax cut to pay for everything they could ever want, not accounting for the fact that money needs to go back to doing whatever it was doing before. It’s not “free money,” it was already spoken for.

What's with all the Bernie threads? There is no way he will be the nominee. None. Stop with the fantasies.

Yesterday, there was a poll where Bernie was ahead of Biden, so the Bros went gaga. Never mind that it was the only poll out of the last 50 that showed Bernie ahead of Biden--including six this week and the one that came out today.

Nobody cherrypicks data like a BernieBro.

R90, so true. And if ANY news outlet posts a negative article on him, just wait for the Bros to attack or deflect.

[quote] What's with all the Bernie threads? There is no way he will be the nominee.

Yes, he will be. Get over it.

Crazed bernbot “true believer”, let’s do the math:

Bernie 2020 = (Bernie 2016 + lots of well deserved blame for Trump happening)

Not a formula for success!

At this stage of the game I believe if Sanders gets the nomination he will lose to Jabba. Jabba will die during his 2nd term, giving him what he's wanted all along. To be safe from prosecution until he dies.

Of course things have a way of changing dramatically in politics, so who knows, maybe between now and the election (if Sanders is the man) people will learn to love him. I just can't picture it now in my mind's eye.

One thing I've learned during my time on earth is that evil people don't always get what's coming to them, at least in this life. At times they succeed, prosper, & live charmed lives. That higher power so many have a belief in (I don't) has a really weird sense of right and wrong.

"If — just if — Sanders gets the nomination but loses the general election, will anyone accept responsibility for the loss?"

IF?

Oh, honey, he doesn't have a prayer.

GOP Playbook: elderly, Jewish, socialist.

It sucks but that's it. That's how they'll attack.

If he's the nominee, it's all-in on the Senate.

That's the firewall.

If Trump wins in 2020 it won't matter, we'll be going full Gilead within days. And that's if we aren't blown up by a foreign country first.

I won't vote for Trump, nor for Bernie. He is an old grumpy socialist who will destroy the America we love. Trump is an aberration and his time in office is more survivable than the Bern. Still have my job and health insurance and all that I have worked for, even though Trump is corrupt. I stand to lose most of everything under Bernie.

R97...THATS PATHETIC. While I agree about Bernie, Under Trump WE LOSE OUR DEMOCRACY...whether you believe it or not. Our Constitution and our Democracy is all we have...Its what we stand for...and its at RISK. Fuck your selfish motives and do whats right. Defend our Constitution and Democracy AT ALL COSTS. Without that, everything you worked for means NOTHING.

[quote]How will Bennie's followers react? Whom will they blame?

Well, Hillary of course.

R98. Most people vote for the candidate who will serve their best interests. The guy above you doesn't feel Bernie will serve him well. You can't blame a voter for not supporting someone you believe in. Everyone should vote for their own best candidate. If Bernie is the wrong guy for this guy and many others it seems, that's on Bernie, not the voter.

r100....the point is...TRUMP IS NOT SURVIVABLE...as the poster claimed. He might think that because he still has what "he" has, then things are fine. When Trump is acquitted, things will happen FAST. We, as a country, are on a very slippery slope. We are not talking policy differences...yes, those are survivable...but when Congress loses their authority and Trump is elevated to a monarch, we will see first hand how Hitler took hold in Germany practically overnight.

Bernie is not survivable. Many American voters feel this way. And Trump is not survivable, agreed. Many voters still prefer Trump. Don't attack the voter is all I am saying. Bernie is closer to a commie than anything we have ever seen in American politics.

Bern Bros will have Bernie bronzed in a few years and worshipped as their golden calf.