Bernie #1 in IA and NH Polls

He's also in second place among black voters in South Carolina, but I don't think folks here want to know about that.

Fuck yeah, maybe the Democratic Party will hold its base this time!

We'll see. Results can shift quickly in both states.

I think Bernie could actually beat Trump in a landslide. Luckily, the media will try their hardest now to crush Bernie.

It’s over.

What if Bernie wins the Dem. primary then drops dead a few weeks before the election?

If this refers to the CBS poll released today, Bernie, Biden and Pete are tied for the lead in Iowa and Bernie is ahead of Biden by two percentage points in NH.

He is winning.

He sure as hell won’t get this Democrat’s vote. I’ll stay home. Populism, regardless of which side of the political spectrum it comes from, is dangerous.

In the end the Democratic establishment will rally around Biden, so Sanders will not be the nominee. However, at this point it looked as though he stands a good chance of coming in first in California which means that he'll probably be around through June, no early winner.

I'm a proud Never Berner.

R4, all Trump, or any republican, has to say -- and he will over and over -- is that America is not a Socialist country, and Bernie will be 'over'.

if Bernie wins, we're all screwed. My sister and mother dislike Trump and would vote for Biden or Pete or Klobuchar, but they'll vote for Trump if Bernie is the democratic nominee.

It's 100% on you guys this time if you fall for this again. I don't want to hear it.

This is how Trump got elected. The vote was split among the classic republicans, which allowed Trump to win. Same thing is happening with Democrats. Biden and Pete will spit the vote while Bernie is consolidating the progressive vote as Warren continues to drop.

This is why clown car primaries aren't a good thing.

Going through the rules have been established nominating process rather than just going with the front-runner in the polls before the thing starts is, indeed, quite a scary experience.

R9/R11: You will vote for the Supreme Court and that is final.

I will not vote for Bernie Sanders. My partner and I have decided to move to Canada if the winner is either Trump or Bernie. His grandfather was a Canadian citizen and apparently we can get citizenship because of that.

Bernie has fecal incontinence.

R18: You do understand that Canada is THE society that Sanders wants down here? So you're running away from him to the country he wants to build... You idiot.

R20, I don’t care what he says about healthcare, which is what I assume you’re talking about. He has plenty of other pure populist ideas, which he knows can’t pay for or get through Congress, but he’ll continue promise and promise. It’s nothing but trickery and exploitation of class divisions and all of it straight out of Huey Long’s playbook. Fortunately for America, someone assassinated Long, and I wouldn’t shed a single tear if the same happened to Sanders. He’s dangerous and I’m not going to live in a country with either one of those fools leading it.

Good

Jan 5 CBS Poll Iowa - Biden, Sanders and Buttigieg all tied with 23 %.

Jan 5 CBS Poll NH - Sanders 27, Biden 25, Warren 18

Dec 31 Mason Dixon Poll Florida Biden 47 Trump 45 , all others Trump wins

Dec 31 Mason Dixon Poll Virginia Biden 49 Trump 45, all others Trump wins

R21: OK, you're just a paranoid sick fuck who needs serious mental help.

What polls? No one I know wants him to win.

I’ll vote for him if he wins it, but I think he’s just having his time at front like the others did. Everything will revere to the mean, Biden.

This is where Booker will make his move. I'm predicting a Booker/Steyer ticket.

Booker/Steyer woukd be better than other combinations touted here.

Got it R13 your sister and mother are very stupid. I am sorry for your burden.

I'm another Never Bernie. I'll go to the polls to vote blue for every other race but I will never, ever vote for Bernie Sanders.

Never Bernies, are you crazy? You need to vote for him if he is the nominee or we end up w madman Trump....

R31: For people like that, it's a one way street.Those of us not supporting their candidate MUST vote for that candidate should they be nominated, but they won't return the favor. And the irony is, a lot of these very same people are screaming about how Sanders voters didn't vote for Hillary in 2016 (not true, but that's been done to death). And now they turn around and do the same thing they've spent 4 years accusing the people they hate of doing.

OP, why post this here at all? You KNOW how these eldergays are going to react. Why troll?

I will not vote for Bernie if he is the nominee, never. Anyone but Bernie I would vote for. So I hope he doesn't get the nomination.

I'm in California so I can not vote for him and I won't help Trump. I'm just not going to do it and take part in the bullshit he is slinging.

r32, yeah, payback is a bitch.

I don't trust Bernie in the white house. He will get nothing done (can't get through congress) and will divide the country even further with socialism and he has a snowballs chance of winning in a general election.

R33 Fuck them and their calcifies and fossilized brains.

Bernie could definitely trump Trump. All Bernie has to do is select a good running mate.

Bernie will never beat Trump. He would win two states. Biden won’t win either. Trump is getting four more years. Good economy, no war, Democrats looking nuts. Better luck in 2024. No more 80 year olds.

People are tired. They need Medicare for all. They want to live in peace.

Well, Sanders are Buttigieg are the only two who have any chance of pulling voters out of Trump's camp but... Sanders is way too old. He wouldn't live through his first admin. Plus, working class populism is not to the party establishment's tastes at all.

Pete for running mate, they win, Bernie dies and Pete becomes POTUS...perfect!

How many times do people need to be reminded that Sanders is Putins Democratic nominee ? WE DESERVE EVERY DAMN THING WE GET IF SANDERS IS ELECTED. It wont be pretty and Trump will look like FDR in comparison.

Tired of the trolls pushing Bernie. The old geezer will not be the nominee. He’s not a Democrat.

Another never Berner here. If he's the nominee I can't wait for the campaign donation request where I tell them I'll vote for Trump b/c of what he did in 2016. I'm in a blue state so I won't be helping Trump just voting against Bernie.

R44 Don't forget all of the states that have passed National Popular Vote laws. They're mostly blue states.

If the popular vote goes to Trump their electoral votes automatically go to him regardless of their own state's vote.

The Democratic Party is historically a progressive party. We will win with Bernie!

R13: yes, let's base our political opinions on your family lol

Now listen to me: Bernie has been the leading force in moving the country to a more progressive future - we'll have MCare for all/all who want it in the next decade.. In another time he might have made an excellent president. He is very likely NOT going to be elected when running against The Dump. Think about how fucking stupid half of this country is (stupid and venal in the case of most right wingers) and the misinformation that they so willingly suck up.. Bernie is not the best candidate against the Orange Shitman that is currently running things and America into the ground. Biden or Buttigieg - MAYBE Warren - have a much, much better chance.

R47 neolibs on this site are terrified of Bernie, not because of what a Sanders Presidency may or may not accomplish, but simply because they're sad, hypocritical individuals that don't want their status quo upended when it serves them and them alone oh-so-well. I just tend to assume that they're mid-level managers in the banking, real estate, insurance, or "health care" industry. Their complete apoplexy makes me giddy.

[quote]sister and mother dislike Trump and would vote for Biden or Pete or Klobuchar, but they'll vote for Trump if Bernie is the democratic nominee.

I feel the same. Will never vote for Slanders. I probably won’t vote for Trump, but will write in Pete or Amy if Bern is the nominee.

I’m in Pennsylvania and will never vote for Sanders. He will never win any of the swing states, period. Therefore, he is unelectable.

Good!

Hmmm...

Voters who loathed Clinton should have voted for her because: Trump. But, Sanders-haters feel a second Trump term is OK?

Good!

R45: Wrong. That compact doesn't take effect until enough states with 270 votes enter into it. We're not even close to that, so the previous system holds until that time. All the same, R44, is a filthy hypocrite. "My candidate didn't win because Sanders, so I'll vote for a literal Nazi." Yeah, buddy, you really care about getting rid of Trump (if you're real, which you're likely not).

Hillary and Bill will not campaign for Sanders. Neither will the Obamas.

He will never be the nominee. The DNC will broker and install someone else at the Convention. Sanders is unelectable. He could lose up to 48 states.

R56 So they're de facto backing Trump.

And he’s not a Democrat, so...

Bernie has my vote, I think he's got the best chance to beat Trump. I'll hate my taxes increasing, but I want Trump out as the man is too unstable and no one will do anything about him.

A Bernie nomination is an automatic Trump win and stop pulling Jessica Lange into this!

Bernie’s an independent socialist crashing the democratic party and rearranging the furniture and then having a fit because he doesn’t belong in the house.

Bernie’s accomplished nothing as a senator. I can’t stand the sight of him. And Trump would beat him to another heart attack in a general. My choice is Pete and that’s it.

Caucusing as a Dem for decades isn't "crashing" in my book.

It is crashing or he would just be a Democrat. After he lost to Hillary he couldn’t wait to re-register again. Bernie is a fucking phony.

Has Bernie ever explained why he is not "officially" a Dem?

What I love is that at EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY, DL elderqueens have een frothing at the mouth about how he'd never win, he's way behind, Mayor pete, blah blah blah.

NOW Bernie is ahead in the polls and Mayor Pete is in wine Cave ignominy. Hillaryesque cntrism is killing the Democratic party and STILL the eldergays throw tantrums.

So now we have primaries tolook forward to (and Bernie WILL win) and we will hear more about how, dammit, you all will never vote for him. And then?

He'll beat Trump and you will STILL be pitching hissy fits.

And the beauty of it all? Bernie won't care. He'll be as kind and decent to you as he is to everybody, no matter HOW stupid y'all are.

Dear idiot ageist fucks.

Bernie is younger than Pelosi and Ginsburg. Should they both resign?

Bernie = Trump second term

Stamping your little feet and making statements like that R68 does not make them true. Even the dreadful media concedes that Bernie has the best odds against Trump.

I can't believe people here saying they will never vote for Bernie. I don't like him much but if he's the nominee, I'll vote for him or any Democrat. I.want.Trump.out. This kind of thinking is why the Dems lose.

Bernie has a strong base and he actually appeal to the white working class in the Swing States better than Hilary could. There was a recent article about how his campaign fundraising has outranked Trump by a huge amount and if Warren drops out, it would consolidate it and be much more. Bernie can get out the younger people to vote. As far as the Black vote, if they want someone who can beat Trump.

The thing is if they nominate Bernie then the Democrats deserve a second Trump term. It’s not my job to vote Bernie for their mistake.

Okay, but is he presenting hole?

[quote]Bernie has a strong base and he actually appeal to the white working class in the Swing States better than Hilary could.

No he does not. He has no appeal in the Swing States. His appeal is limited to a few liberal havens and college campuses.

I don't like him because he's a misogynist. He wrote a rape essay and he is constantly wigging that finger in women's faces. It's disgusting.

OP, what was the point of the gif? What made that necessary? It’s not even a good gif. It’s short as fuck and completely unremarkable. She hardly has any expression at all.

It’s so fucking cheesy.

“Never Bernie” = Republicans Who Call Themselves Democrats

[quote] he is constantly wigging that finger in women's faces.

Lol. He wigs his finger in everyone's faces, not just women.

Yay!!!!!!!

free stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[quote]Now listen to me: Bernie has been the leading force in moving the country to a more progressive future

Now listen to me: Bernie has NEVER been the leading force in moving the country ANYWHERE!

FIFY!

Sanders wrote a M4A bill back in 2008. What happened with it? Nothing. That should tell you something. His legislative record is not impressive.

Even Warren has accomplished more in a shorter amount of time just by spearheading the creation of the Consumer Protection Bureau. And I'm not a huge fan of hers to be President.

We need a Presidential candidate who has the stamina and energy to be a 2-term President as one term won't be nearly enough to erase the stench of Trump. Sanders is too old to be convincing as a 2-termer. Biden too, but I recall reading that he would be open to handing over the reins after one term.

Also once it becomes clear to voters that he can't deliver on his socialist paradise, he will be a 1-term President and we'll be back with the GOP fucking things up again.

Why would the Democrats nominate an Independent Socialist? We already have a grifting Socialist in the WH. I won’t vote for Bernie.

Bernie largely escapes criticism from other candidates. HRC was "soft" in criticism, and basically chose to ignore him when she could. That was a mistaken calculation.

In debates for 2020 and candidates on the trail, Bernie hasn't been substantively attacked, though he does have years of baggage, repeats talking points he's espoused for twenty years, and is the most "to the left" of those running. Biden has confronted him a little bit during debates, but it has been rather mild and sorta defensive.

Republicans have been "hands-off" somewhat on Bernie, thinking his entitlement ideas (and maybe age) make him very vulnerable.

If Bernie wins the Democratic nomination, the GOP/Fox machine will attack him viciously, and the "socialism" lable will stick. Democrats will not be united.

Bernie's recordbof fondness for Putin's Russia certainly needs scrutiny. He's a reliable vote/or skipping a vote, in NOT sanctioning Russia on anything. Tulsi Gabbard appears to be a plant. Bernie however, is an established opportunist who will play into Trump's hands as it did in 2016. Also, despite his disclaimers, Bernie has danced with the NRA, and his voting record is not so rosey about his claims to be a champion in combating Wall Street/big banking greed

The "NRA" thing was one vote years ago. If he's so chummy with them, how does he earn a consistent D- (I think it is) rating of theirs?

It's funny, folks howl about circumstantial evidence regarding the Clintons' in the past as "nothing to see here" which is okay, but... at the same time, I see a lot of them trying to find "Russian connections" based on inferences and implications.

Is this what you're voting for?

"Shadow Group sends Bernie and BLM supporters to disrupt Buttigieg events across the country:

The protesters say a "revolutionary group" financed them but not Sanders' Our Revolution and were ordered to keep the donor anonymous. Some claim to worry about racism and homelessness in South Bend but have not tried to meet with the new mayor about these issues, and instead flew to California to press Buttigieg. They vowed to follow Pete wherever he goes."

R76 Call it whatever makes you feel better. Never Bernie.

I like Bernie, but nominating him will be a replay of the McGovern Nixon contest. We'll always have Massachusetts and maybe add California. Any gay person who would vote for Trump or sit this one out if their candidate doesn't get the nomination should get the government they deserve.

Bernie doesn’t “do” anything. He just gets up there and makes speeches about how everything should be free, and he wags that finger.

He has no plans of how to accomplish anything. And he’s never passed any meaningful legislation. That’s actually what he gets paid to do as a Senator...pass legislation. He’s a complete failure.

Notice how the Bernie supporters never respond when asked to provide examples of anything Sanders has accomplished.

R71 and R85: Then you two will NEVER complain about Donald Trump EVER AGAIN! You got that?

r12 don't sell trump so short. he will also be very antisemitic in the process.

Bernie has NO foreign policy chops, he just always pivots back to the billionaires and the 1%.

After the events of the last couple of weeks, I would think people might want a candidate that has a plan to deal with the rest of the world.

Bernie needs to release more details about the tax raises he is going to implement.

Bernie and Jane Sanders? They can shuffle to any Simon & Garfunkel tune they want, I am not impressed. I want Trump ousted, but also want a Democratic nominee I can be enthusiastic about.

Prefer Pete, will settle for Biden if need be. I like Bennet too, but he's going nowhere.

So, I wonder who Bernie will pick for VP.

You first Ms. Sarandon @ R89

R95 Fuck off.

Put your tits away Susan. No one wants to see that crepey décolletage!

I just got this text:

Hi Brad! It's Jim with Bernie 2020. Bernie is committed to creating a government and an economy that work for all of us, not just wealthy campaign contributors. Are you in for Bernie?

My response:

I support Pete Buttigieg. I will only vote for a Democrat. Bernie is an independent socialist pretending to be a Democrat. Pass.

Republicans don't care who is running for President or what kind of a person they are.

They will always vote for them in the end.

That's part of the reason why they win in a country with a popular vote that does not go in their direction.

Democrats on the other hand say things like, "If _____ gets nominated I will not vote for them!"

[bold]This[/bold] is the problem and [bold]people that think like that are part of the problem.[/bold]

The two whitest, least-representative states have Bernie momentarily at the top. But it's a close race. Remember, primaries are not winner-take-all, delegates are apportioned proportionately to anyone who gets over 15% of the vote.

Look at where he's ranking in South Carolina though.

He's not going to win.

Sorry. Not sorry. He doesn't deserve to win.

Bernie's electability argument is disproven by polls, really all of them

[quote]The two whitest, least-representative states have Bernie momentarily at the top. But it's a close race. Remember, primaries are not winner-take-all, delegates are apportioned proportionately to anyone who gets over 15% of the vote.

Thank you, it is important to remember that it is a close race along with margin of error.

The problem is, as people keep mentioning, once a candidate wins a race it can cause a shift. I think that's especially true with Sanders and Warren who are so close in ideology. They are both the other's supporter's second choice. If Bernie takes either or both states, Warren's supporters may shift towards him and that throws things up in the air again in some states.

Bernie is not a Democrat, he is a socialist.

R103 Bernie is a Social Democrat

Peter is a Republican in disguise

I'm sick of all of them. We need a better candidate. We need a rock star.

I will vote for whoever is the nominee. If you all believe Bernie is a bad candidate, it shows you haven't been paying attention. ANYONE is better than the dumpster fire that is Trump.

I'm not surprised at people here hating on Bernie, but I am surprised they would be so peevish and short-sighted to believe he'd do any actual harm. RBG is nearing her end. Do you really want Dump and co. to choose the next SC Justice? Is Bernie that bad?

R107, his policies are extremist.

[quote] Bernie is a Social Democrat

He’s a communist.

Well, guess I got my non-answer from two trolls.

I'm becoming convinced that folks are hating on him because he dared to challenge Clinton.

I'd say that was pretty much it. Cue the 'they stole the list' bitches any minute now. BTW, a list they should have been provided with in the beginning.

I don't blame the Bernbots for their feels. I do blame the neo-libs for trying to scare people into believing the 'socialist' clap trap about Bernie.

I hope he gets the nomination. I'm going to love the juxtaposition of the Putin ass kissing of the right with the condemnation of Bernie's Moscow visit back in the day.

Personally, I'd rather see Steyer. If Bernie gets the nom, who do you think he'll take in as a VP? I'd love to see Mayor Pete.

God, the Boomers taken as a whole really have just set fire to this country and are content to sit back and watch it burn.

But socialism! (while they happily benefit from the bazillion socialized aspects of our economy) They don't quite grasp that things like public education and public roads ARE socialism.

All of us under 40 should really just save ourselves the time, baste ourselves with Honey BBQ sauce, shove ourselves into ovens, and offer our flesh to them because that generation as a whole has been intent on cannibalizing us since we were born.

Ironically of course, the reason that Boomers have so much power is because of their large numbers. And the reason there are so many of them is because their parents benefited from all of the socialist programs introduced post WWII like the GI Bill, creating the baby boom.

I'm a boomer, R113, but we're not the problem as a whole. Direct your ire, instead, to those people, regardless of age, investing in REIFs, refusing to divest from extraction industries, and more concerned with their 401K than the lives of their fellow Americans suffering from the continued callousness of policies that favor the rich over EVERYONE else.

Like someone upthread noted - now it's the Middle Class being targetted and who is there to defend them?

The best ticket is going to be Biden and Klobuchar. He’s got the black vote locked down, and she can deliver the Midwest swing states. Trump won’t be able to beat them.

Biden doesn't need Klobuchar to deliver the Midwest swing states.

Biden needs someone exciting and young. Someone who uses a comb as cutlery doesn’t get him anything.

Nobody in the Heartland is going to vote for an atheist like Bernie. Neither will Southern blacks.

[quote] I'm becoming convinced that folks are hating on him because he dared to challenge Clinton.

We've moved on from Clinton long ago. Join us.

The thing that scares me is the dem base is totally fractured. Warren and Sanders supporters hate Biden. Vice versa. Everyone’s supporters hate Pete. And now today Warren and Sanders are going to war. The RNC doesn’t even have to try. We’re fucked.

[quote]If you all believe Bernie is a bad candidate, it shows you haven't been paying attention.

R106, if you DON'T believe Bernie is a bad candidate, it shows you haven't been paying ANY attention.

[quote] The thing that scares me is the dem base is totally fractured.

Don't get sucked in by the hype. The internet is not the real world. The overwhelming majority of Dems will support the eventual candidate.

Trolls on the internet do not represent reality.

Bernie's not leading anymore:

Hours after a new poll in Iowa showed Biden leading by 6, a new poll shows Biden up by 4 in NH:

@JoeBiden: 26%

@BernieSanders: 22%

@ewarren: 18%

@PeteButtigieg: 7%

Here's the latest Iowa Poll results:

Biden 24%

Sanders 18%

Buttigieg 17%

Warren 15%

Klobuchar 8%

In years to come, Sanders will be viewed as a pariah that cost the party two elections to the likes of Donald Trump.

Stood in the road of Clinton and damaged her and again interfering in a party he doesn't even belong to and setting up another Trump victory.

His supporters are really akin to Trumps deplorables.

Bernie was a Russian Stooge even before Trump got made. How is anyone falling for his crap? The Mueller Report detailed how the Russians/Cambridge Analytica directed their troll farms to support Sanders (and then Trump) and tear down everyone else. This is public domain information. The guy went to fucking Russia at the height of the Cold War to establish a "sister city" of his own volition. If it comes down to Sanders v. Trump, they may as well just put Putin on the ballot as the only candidate. Why are people so fucking stupid?

I'm with R122. Don't stroke out just yet, this is a primary. We're supposed to have a good debate. None of the Democratic candidates are perfect and you can find something to criticize. Whoever is the eventual nominee, Trump and the RNC will be throwing everything at them.

We will come together behind our candidate because the alternative is unthinkable.

Luckily I'm in a safe blue state so I can vote against Bernie or stay home.

[quote] Luckily I'm in a safe blue state so I can vote against Bernie or stay home.

Something very similar said in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin not long ago.

Then R128 you can never say a damn thing about Trump if he’s re-elected. Privileged cunt.

R104 Pete is a Democrat in the vein of FDR, JFK, LBJ, and Obama. Bernie's just a Socialist.

The white fuckers who voted for Trump will want what Bernie promises for themselves but when they realize Bernie also intends to give it to people of color they will again vote against their own interests and vote for Trump. I think our only hope is if Trump drops dead before the election. Maybe Nancy and Adam can aggravate him to death.

No I can R130. My state will bright blue no matter who. I personally will be working against Bernie and voting against. Did you say anything against Trump 2016 Bro? I can too.

Obama was shoved down all of oUr throats by SJWs in 2008. Now they view him as the devil incarnate. It’ll be hilarious to see how fast they turn on Bernie when they learn that the president has to put up with Congress.

R114, you are way off. The SJW categorization didn’t really exist in 2008. Hillary has plenty of feminist supporters who insisted it was her turn and that a black man could not win. It was a diverse crowd - I canvassed with old white men in Pennsylvania. Obama was a breath of fresh air from Bush-Cheney and Clinton was bogged down by her vote for the war.

[quote] In years to come, Sanders will be viewed as a pariah that cost the party two elections to the likes of Donald Trump.

He doesn't care. As long as he's able to line his pockets, that's all he cares about. And as for his supporters, they're already pariahs. They're all a bunch of incels and basement dwellers.

So wait, I live in NY, a blue state. You mean my vote didn't really count and I didn't have to force myself to vote for Hillary? I could have written in anyone I wanted. Shit. I felt like a real hypocrite voting for someone I totally hated. Good to know. I don't have to force myself to vote for Biden. Good news. One way or the other I will vote for Warren.

R134, SJWs are more likely to support Warren for the simple fact that she's a woman. Bernie doesn't attract the SJW crowd, his supporters are democrats that simply believe in real change. They dont like the identity politics stuff and neither does Bernie.

I will so happily take Bernie or Warren. I want Warren more but I'll be thrilled with Bernie too. I wish either or both of them would do a speech about wanting to be called Liberal and how proud of it they'd be but they won't. There was a time when Democrats would boast about being a Liberal. Those were the days the Democrats were truly for the people, all the people and weren't whores for Wall Street, the insurance and pharm companies and lobbyists.

You're wrong on that, r138. SJWs hate cis white women.

R139, you realize Bernie supporters HATE Liberals, right?

This old fat piece of shit will be the cause of us dealing with shithead Trump another 4 years

Bernie will win and it will be SUBLIME.

[quote]The thing that scares me is the dem base is totally fractured. Warren and Sanders supporters hate Biden. Vice versa.

The Republicans were totally fractured around Trump during their primaries too. The Establishment was solidly behind Jeb Bush and hated Trump. But voters thought Bush was just as bad and went with someone new (Trump).

NOBODY in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan wants Sanders on the ballot. The DNC better get their heads out of their asses and block him from being the nominee.

Bernie has zero chance of winning. Period.

R143 is on drugs of some kind.

Bernie will lose, and thank god for that, because he'd be a complete disaster.

My fear is that Bernie is far more likely to win the nomination than he is to win the Presidency. The rigged system is giving him the chance to win a party he is not part of.

R121, the support he has going into Iowa is no mistake and reflects a growing frustration with neo-liberal policies and attitudes. People are tired of appeasment with the Republicans. I cannot imagine any long-term Democrat hearing Biden say he'd choose a GOP running mate feeling comfortable with that.

My hope is that the Independent/leaning Democrat voter rejects Biden in the same way they rejected Hillary and votes for Bernie. He could win this.

And don't mistake my understanding of the Sander's campaign for blind support. I've worked in politics for many years. As much as former Hillary supporters hate the guy, he's got the organization on the ground to make some moves regarding the platform. If he doesn't make the cut, there will be a lot of jockeying for his supporters and their efforts in key areas. This assertion includes Biden.

People like r149 need to be reminded from time to time that the alternative to moderate Democrats tends to be a coalition of Republicans that are ruled by their right wing. Bernie’s presidency is supposed to miraculously transform the country’s political geography, even though there is no evidence for this claim.

What claim are you alluding to, R150? Bernie has operated in the Senate as an independent for quite some time. I'm sure a Sander's administration will reflect his experience and consist of a number of surprising, cross-party appointments.

Thanks, dear, but I don't need to be reminded of your delusion (you're pretty arrogant, btw). The GOP has outright stolen elections (Gore/moderate, Kerry/not so much) and suppressed voting to create the illusion that a more to the left Democrat would not appeal to Southern voters. This is sheer politial ignorance.

Watch the media and the ramping up of attacks on Bernie. They're afraid and for a very good reason.

The only reason far-left candidates won’t win in the South is election manipulation, r151? Sure, all available evidence contradicts that claim, but why let something so trivial stop you?

Right, Roy Moore/R152. How did that assumption work out for you?

Doug Jones, the far left? Got it. He also barely squeaked out a win in an off-year election. But I am certain Bernie can deliver Alabama because magic is real!

[quote] Bernie has operated ineffectually in the Senate as an independent for quite some time.

FTFY R151

It's ridiculous how many of you queens are upset by Sanders' alleged "socialism" when he's no further to the left than any ordinary post-WW2 welfare state capitalist. IOW, the system that produced huge gains for the middle class until it became more profitable for the rich to abandon the US and sent their money elsewhere.

Sanders' policy proposals end up about as leftist as Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon's were. You many like Sanders or not (I'm not a fan), but at least have a clue what his "leftism" actually represents.

thanks for that, Tony.

The committees he sits on are hardly the big, sexy issues that people pay attention to. He's had two pieces of legislation signed into law, for the benefit of veterans, and has sponsored numerous others. This is pretty much how it works, btw. Few Senators or Congressmen/women instigate bills on their own. They're mostly done as a group.

Here's a look:

Issue Areas Sanders sponsors bills primarily in these issue areas:

Health (27%) Labor and Employment (20%) Taxation (16%) Finance and Financial Sector (9%) Government Operations and Politics (8%) Energy (8%) Social Welfare (6%) International Affairs (6%)

Recent Bills Some of Sanders’s most recently sponsored bills include...

S. 3159: No War Against Iran Act S. 2876: Green New Deal for Public Housing Act S. 2849: Tax Excessive CEO Pay Act of 2019 S. 2609: Universal School Meals Program Act of 2019 S.Con.Res. 22: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that there is a climate ... S. 1947: College for All Act of 2019 S. 1773: Territories Health Equity Act of 2019

Finally, and this is the key to the 'electability' of Sanders - his running mate.

govtrack.us is a great source for the truth about Sanders and his activities in the Senate

The same site makes a comparison of the 7 bills he had signed into law with the overall record of others and gives perspective. To claim he's a do-nothing Senator is silly.

Tony, are you misquoting me? Why make it look like you're pulling a quote only to manipulate it?

Scared much?

Bernie is a Russian stooge. We don’t need a Democratic version of Trump.

Hardly, R160, but thanks for your input. The Russian stooges these days are more like crime bosses. The suck up to commie reputation you allude to is another figment of the imagination. You may as well call Reagan a Ruskie stooge.

I'm highly amused at the screeching queens who hate the Bern. I'll defend the guy, but I'm voting for Steyer.

Bernie is Putin’s pick for the Dem nomination. It is all you need to know.

R154, ANY Democrat in Alabama is considered a 'leftist' - I lived in Georgia for quote some time. It's not that far away geographically or politically.

I gave that example as a understanding of how we can beat them through good, old fashioned politicking' - get your feet on the ground, get your volunteers out there and beat their game-playing with a clearly directed message. Recognize who is affected most and hit them hard and consistently.

I love you, R151.

Deeply.

And Bernie is winning, so the retarded little Bernie hater can take a pill and have a fucking seat.

BERNIE IS WINNING

R118

Plenty of people in the 'heartland' voted for Dear Leader Orangina. And really, I find it hard to believe that the majority of christians actually see him as being devout. Even willful blindness has its limits.

No, R166. Those people didn't vote for, nor do they care about, his character. They voted for, and care only about, the results he's produced (ITO). The policies he's either shut down or put into place.

He could set Barron and FLOTUS on fire, on the WH lawn and invite David Duke to roast Ballpark franks on their smoking corpses and he would keep the majority of their support because he gets the things done they want to see happen.

Those of you who are screaming about Bernie or even Warren's Socialism would never have voted for FDR or LBJ and you would have joined the Reagan bandwagon screaming about Medicare being Socialism and how it would destroy this country or join those on the right in the 1930s screaming the same thing about Social Security.

Both Medicare and Social Security were, according to the right, supposed to bring about the end of America as we know it.

If you want Socialism, then you better vote for Warren... because she’s the only one who has a (slim) chance in hell of bringing any of it to reality.

Bernie is a moron who whose only accomplishment at 80 years old has been renaming post offices.

Only 40% of Iowan caucusgoers have decided who they're going to vote for, though. That means 60% is undecided.

[quote]Only 40% of Iowan caucusgoers have decided who they're going to vote for, though. That means 60% is undecided.

That benefits Amy Klobuchar the most, as many people consistently rank her as their second choice.

If Putin really wanted to sow more chaos in the U.S., they'd help rig the election so Bernie wins it all. Imagine the wailing and beating of breasts that would ensue from the stuck-in-the-mud of the status quo and those fools that continue to support it. Russia, if you're listening, lol.

Liz says she'll use Executive Order to eliminate student debt if need be:

“So I will start to use existing laws on day one of my presidency to implement my student loan debt cancellation plan that offers relief to 42 million Americans.”

[quote] I cannot imagine any long-term Democrat hearing Biden say he'd choose a GOP running mate feeling comfortable with that.

Repeating bullshit like this makes everything else you say worthless noise.

LOL trolls are still trying to say Biden will pick a Republican VP? That ship sailed weeks ago.

Bernie isn’t winning shit 💩when voting day comes.

Bernie’s never propose nor passed any significant legislation in all the decades he’s been in politics. He’ll get absolutely nothing done.

It’s so galvanizing to watch the retarded Bernie hater foaming at the mouth.

Poor thing.

[quote]It’s so galvanizing to watch the retarded Bernie hater foaming at the mouth.

No that’s Bernie himself foaming at the mouth as his heart cells cry out for oxygen.

R179 You’re confusing Bernie with Biden, whose heart AND brain cells are malfunctioning for oxygen.

I’m writing in Ralph Nader.

Who’s with me?

Add Bernie and Warren together and you still don't reach Biden:

Oh, Bernie and Liz are going to be together at the top very soon.

No, they're not.

Yes, they are.

I think they’re plotting.

[quote]My fear is that Bernie is far more likely to win the nomination than he is to win the Presidency. The rigged system is giving him the chance to win a party he is not part of.

The press is no longer on his side like they were in 2016, and unless they change their minds soon -- as in within a day or two, max -- he will not have a chance.

I remember CNN in 2016 would recycle old stories about HRC and put them on the front page a second or third time, days after the news was actually news. During the primaries they said Bernie was catching up to her when in fact he was losing ground. Now, as we saw during the debates, they're out to get Bernie in 2020 the way they were out to get HRC in 2016, and the BernieBros are flipping their lids because it's not fair.

Well, it wasn't fair back then, either. It's never fair. But if the press has decided they don't like you, it's an uphill climb. And the press doesn't like Bernie. He won't get the nom.

[quote]Bernie will win and it will be SUBLIME.

Bwaahahahah!

Oh, please stop, you're KILLING me! You must think BernTwitter is the real worked and that AOC will flip seats in Ohio and Missouri for "Justice Democrats"! DELUSIONAL!

Please, we must all get ready for the attacks from devastated Berners and their shrieks of "NEO-LIBERALS and CENTRISTS, and the DNC, and WARREN, and HILLARY did this to all of us! BERNIE IS KING and SAVIOR and you RUINED IT!" Nina Turner will find some third-party nutjob and inform the BernCult they must vote for that person or stay home! I'm telling you, it's coming!

[quote]As much as former Hillary supporters hate the guy, he's got the organization on the ground to make some moves regarding the platform.

Oh, PLEASE, MARY!!

Organization? Bernie and his multimillions of campaign cash couldn't even inform his voters that they had to be registered Democrats in order to vote in the primary! Mostly, Bernie being a lifelong NON voter and certainly NON democratic voter actually had ZERO IDEA himself how any of the rules worked! People who don't vote in primaries rarely know anything about the damed process or rules! THAT'S why he had to claim it was rigged because his shitty organization couldn't even spend money getting out the vote!

[quote] SJWs are more likely to support Warren for the simple fact that she's a woman. Bernie doesn't attract the SJW crowd

You’re in some heavy crack. SJWs are Bernie all the way.

R187 and R188 Oh, PLEASE, MARY SHUT THE FUCK UP.

R189

"SJWs"

Stop. Just stop.

This is a buzzword manufactured by the conservatives in order to try to reinforce a cultural atmosphere that shames people for caring about the injustices of our world.

We live in a world now where "Justice" is treated as a dirty word. And you're reinforcing that by parroting their poisonous trash.

If it weren't for "SJWs", your queer ass would still be cowering in the closet without the rights that "SJWs" fought for you to have.

In b4, "Are you triggered? har har har"

"Do ya need a safe space? har har har"

[quote] If it weren't for "SJWs", your queer ass would still be cowering in the closet without the rights that "SJWs" fought for you to have.

The people who fought for gay rights were actual gays, not SJWs. The term is meant to encompass those activists whose entire identity is wrapped in posting on social media.

[quote] This is a buzzword manufactured by the conservatives

No it isn’t and Donald Trump didn’t invent “fake news”. Now kindly shut the fuck up. SJWs hate your gay cis ass.

Cooze is triggered.

So, anyway, Bernie is winning.

Bernie falls on his face and has a heart attack and it's no problem. Unreal.

R195 Bernie is whining.

R196 He told the truth about it. People tend to like that!

The truth that's he's too fucking old to be president!

I want this on top, midday.

Yes, R199. Biden is ONE year younger. That makes such a big fucking difference. Since Yang is no longer in the running that only leaves Pete if you want a young one. I liked Pete, not so much anymore. I see too much of Obama in him. He will be bought and paid for if he ever gets to the WH. He is willing to let the 1% buy him.

The rest are old well into their 70s and so the fuck what. For me there are two choices, Sanders or Warren. I don't want a another fucking status quo Democrat. God, we need change. Real change. Unless you're rich how can you not see that? I don't mean just you, R199, I mean most of the fucking country. Will it literally take the middle class dying in the streets!

Pete is even worse than Obama. A total sellout from the word GO.

OP are you LFF?

If so, LFF, I didn't realise you are a Sanders supporter.

Bernie will win.

Ah, block does work....

So, will Bernie be mathematically eliminated ON Super Tuesday, or before?

Discuss!

What hysteria will Jacobin print after that happens? I'm sure it will be hyperbolically over-caffeinated!

Pete is not a sell-out. He's got the political fight of Clinton and the inspiration of Kennedy.

Pete has squinty eyes. Why did he dye his hair to look more gray? He has always come across as phoney and smarmy to me.

I liked Bernie so much in 16, but now I see him to as a tired old sexist windbag who can't get things done. He can talk a good game about what he's interested in but has a hard time when not on script.

Is this poll legit?

r210 Kooky results are nothing new for kooky NH and their semi-closed primary. Another poll earlier in the week showed 25% of voters there are still undecided, so this one is probably an outlier.

Bernie continues to surge

I'm fine with Bernie but I'm disappointed that Warren isn't doing better. I was for Bernie in 2016 however I think Warren has a better chance of implementing her policies if elected. She was really the candidate to beat there for a while. What happened? Oh well, I will happily vote for Bernie in a GE but not as happily as I would have voted for Warren.

I go to an office building for appointments that has Bernie's state campaign headquarters on the first floor. Where I go is unrelated. It's a nice suite and has been there maybe almost a year. Today, I saw volunteers streaming into that office. Most were student types and other younger adults. The people I saw were predominately black and female. As I was going to the elevator this young black guy, sashaying with purses dropping from his mouth, says "how are youuu?, I hope you are supporting Bernie and will be voting for him in the primary". I laughed but gently said "nope, I will vote for Pete Buttigieg". He said "have nice day" and turned away.