Democratic insiders: Bernie could win the nomination

And in other news, Gretchen will finally make "fetch" happen.

I'm SO down!

Bernie would have beaten Trump in '16 because he can hold the Democratic Party base.

Nonono

...and lose the election.

Good luck, Bros. If he's the nominee, I'll sit and watch. But I will vote for down ballot Dems.

He really needs to die soon.

I will NOT vote for this asshole.

"Democratic insiders: Bernie could win the nomination."

And then get their asses handed to them by Trump and the Republicans and wreaking havoc down ballot.

I'm sure Middle Americans afraid of the word socialism will really turn out in droves to vote for someone who cheered about the USSR for decades, basically sang "the yanks must suffer" at a Sandinista rally and even honeymooned with his wife in the USSR.

Good. We need universal health care, a $15 minimum wage, and a president who will put the common people above corporations.

And pigs could fly.

If you think Bernie will make that happen, I have a bridge to sell you, R9.

Bernie can’t make anything happen.

What has he done in the Senate? Absolutely nothing.

R12, but don't worry, he was the roll call amendment king. LOL.

I continue to wonder if Sanders and Warren are actually working together. As someone in the article noted, they could do all kinds of creative things at the convention. I'm not even suggesting that they have any formal agreement, just an "understanding."

Who do you people want? Pete? With him, it'll be just 4 years of platitudes, while corporations continue to rob everyone, the environment becomes more toxic, and people keep going bankrupt just because they visited the ER.

[quote]Who do you people want?

We want someone who’s not an 80 year old asshole who hasn’t accomplished anything after 50 years in the Senate.

That would be Putin's dream--Bernie v Trump, because he'd win regardless. Bernie continues to be re-elected in Vermont precisely because he does nothing. Vermonters want limited government and little restriction on guns. He delivers.

That leaves him free to roam the country verbally seducing the clueless into his cult. Of course he ran again. In 2016 he made a fortune running for office, allowing him to travel and live in style, using little of his own income. There is a lot of $$ to be made in presidential politics if you can get yourself funded. So he's hitting the road again, spouting more BS that he has no idea how to make happen, because he has never had to do it.

Politico is just spinning. Too many people know there is something wrong with Bernie. They just have to vote in primaries and shove the Berners out of the way in the caucuses.

I feel I speak on behalf of the rest of the world when I say: Americans, please elect this guy and not the sociopathic fuckups you normally go for. Your economic system and general culture needs a turnaround too.

Obama was not a fuckup. Neither was Bill Clinton. I will give you George W Bush though.

No, ConcernedEuropean, we won't elect him. But thanks for asking.

Yes, R15, I want Pete. I'd settle for Biden. Nothing that you've stated is representative of his policies and you know it.

Oh, and R18, I don't think you speak on behalf of the rest of the world. I saw what happened to that Bernie doppelgänger, Corbyn, in the recent elections. That's how most people feel.

Ahhhh, hahahahahah! The DL eldergays will have to admit they were WRONG! We have been telling you all along: BERNIE! Bernie! Bernie!

All you have been doing is telling us about the inevitability of the neoliberal asshole, Pete.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Who's wrong? Has Bernie won the primary? Are we in the future?

There’s a concentrated effort by Bernie supporters to swarm websites with pro Bernie articles today. If you actually read the article, there’s no real prediction. No Dem insider is actually saying he will win.

Bernie has spent too much of his time gleefully bashing Dems. It’s no surprise that he didn’t win the nomination last time and he won’t this time.

R24, I saw a comment from a hardcore Bernie supporter recently insisting that centrists need to be purged (they used that exact word) from the Democratic party. These are some militant, delusional people.

If centrist are purged from the Democratic party, the party will be purged from holding office. Of course, I hope we learned our lesson from the UK and will vote accordingly.

Amen R12 Amen. These Bernie Bros pretend like there is no history and that you cannot look up decades and decades of records about bills passed in congress. Bernie was the laziest mutherfucker ever. He was paid to do literally nothing for all those years in the senate. NOTHING. Go and look it up. He wrote what, one bill by himself and he is supposed to fix this country?? Not only do socialists just love other people's money, but they also love other people to do all the work and heavy lifting for them as well. He'll have us looking just like Venezuela in no time. To believe in socialism is just intellectual ignorance. Socialism transfers the majority of the power to the government, the government will always become severely corrupted, and inevitably the poor will get crushed. Look at Venezuela the poor end up starving and a handful of the people close to the government do well which is how the government survives because it pays off the people who prop it up (Venezuela, Cuba, NK, etc.). Not to mention Gays suffer terribly in all socialist countries. No thanks!!

jeez, calm down r27. It's just gonna be a little income redistribution. The rich will barely notice, although they will shriek and howl, joined of course by every pundit and "news" organization paid to do so. Time to spread the wealth around and abandon the idiocies of supply side economics, Reaganomics, and the moronic belief that giving more money to rich people accomplishes anything at all.

R28 It never stops with just a little redistribution, never, because the "who is rich" goalposts are ALWAYS moved. That's because they have an insatiable need for money for all their endless "caring and helpful" programs (it's for the children you know). Venezuela was the number 1 country in OPEC and it took no time at all to crash that system.

In fairness R19 Clinton was a complete fuckup - pathologically sexually incontinent, nearly threw away his Presidency for a couple of blowjobs.

R21 And now keep watching and see the UK break apart altogether. Corbyn was the last chance to avoid that.

Clinton was not a complete fuckup. By the end of the 90s, most of us were prospering. We were not in any real war. People were happy. 9/11 changed everything.

sure it does, it stops all the time, r29, at least in the US.

Both the New Deal and Great Society made the whole society better off. It's not that awful. You just have to break the glibertarian spell that insists on tax cuts for the rich and deregulation and privatization of everything and constantly worrying that the financial sector just isn't rich enough, dammit. We have been pretending that giving money to the rich will do shit for about 40 years now. It is time to try the strategy of giving to poor and working class and see where that gets us.

And if you really want to see Venezuela or any other shitshow, let's keep heading down this road of giving ever more money to fewer and fewer people and letting everyone else go fuck themselves. That is what leads to explosions and people willing to say just blow the whole damn economy up already.

so many people love to pretend that the 1950s were an ideal while pretending it had nothing to do with high tax rates on the rich and a hell of a lot more income equality.

If someone loses by as much of a margin as Corbyn did, then it is that person's fault, NOT the fault of the voters. If you are "principled" yet cannot even get people to vote for you, then you need to take a long, hard look at yourself and see what you did wrong.

Why do the Dems let Bernie run for their ticket when he calls himself as an Independent in the Senate?

R28 is a fool, is stupid, and has no concept of history or human nature. Socialism is ALWAYS the road that leads to Communism. Your daddy Karl Marx CLEARLY wrote that down in his works. Google it. WHY WAS CIVICS TAKEN OUT OF THE CLASSROOM?! It's people like R28 who remind us why civics should be mandatory curriculum in schools.

yes, sure, real civics, r35. Not moronic fantasies from the 1920s. Again, calm down, there are a large range of economic systems from the crazy ass winner take all capitalism you love so much to the Stalinist Russia you see behind every attempt to modify the crazy ass winner take all system.

And why do you assume my "daddy" Karl Marx was right about everything? There was socialism before Marx. There actually is Social Democracy right now, in quite a few countries. We Americans aren't supposed to know that, but it's true.

R33 You might not be aware as I suspect this was not discussed in the American press - but Corbyn got more votes than his two immediate predecessors as leaders of the Labour Party both times he fought a general election. That said, I am not trying to pretend we can call his leadership a triumph. It's just that by picking Boris Johnson, English voters (note, I didn't say British) chose for the UK to break up, and we'll see that happen in the next few years.

Nobody is voting for a Socialist. Never gonna happen. Fact.

He needs to drop out now.

It's true, Bernie should swear not to be wishy-washy on Brexit.

Yes, Bernie may win the nomination. And then when Trump and the ultra-wealthy get through with him, he'll lose in a landslide because the BernieBros can't handle defeat, easily become demoralized, believe the hype, and ultimately, just as they did in 2016, stay home instead of realizing that ANY democrat is head and shoulders above than ANY republican.

Wait, Bernie wins the nomination and Bernie bros stay home because they just can't handle defeat?

R41, they will all be on the streets marching and crying and maybe throwing things too. Ironically, these people don't understand what "no" means.

Best R1 of the month R1

And if you read the actual article it's clickbait and David Brock, the HillPal who is Wrong About Everything is the only one who is actually saying that. Everyone else they talked to is like "WTF??? No way!"

It's a clickbait headline

"No" means you're nominated? Is this whole thread just a prolonged shriek, or is any of it supposed to be tethered to reality?

R45, that person was saying if he gets nominated, trump will destroy him. Did you miss that part? I would fix that statement to say "media" instead of Trump. There is so much good dirt on Bernie that would convince middle americans NEVER to vote for him.

No, what r45 said was that Bernie gets nominated, then Trump and the wealthy somehow "get through with him" (what?) and the Bernie Bros are so traumatized by this whole getting through thing they refuse to turn out and vote for Bernie because they can't handle defeat.

The whole thing's a mess because the whole thought behind it is a mess. It's one thing to say, don't be a child AFTER the nomination and refuse to vote for the candidate because your precious fee-fees are hurt (and that goes for Pete supporters as much as anyone else). It's another to say Bernie bros won't vote for Bernie because ... reasons!

R38, may be so, but I learned through a quick Google search that Tony Blair's Labour got over 13M votes in 1997, while Corbyn's Labour only got over 10M votes in this general election. This clearly means that Labour needs to move back to the center.

It "clearly" means shit, r48. This was a Brexit election, overwhelmingly. Boris was the Brexit guy, far and away. That is why he won. Corbyn was all over the fucking map on the central issue of the day. A majority have had enough of dithering, and scrounging, and squirming, and pushing it all off. They are probably stupid to feel that way, it will probably be a complete disaster, but there they are, wanting some bitch to just cut the cord already. Anyone's economic program, other than Brexit, just doesn't matter that much in an election like that.

R36 MORONIC FANTASIES of the 1920's?? Do you have any idea what happened to Russians around the 1920's? Hint: law enforcement had to put up posters that said "it's bad to eat your children" after the Bolsheviks killed all of the farmers by "redistributing" their wealth, causing famine never before seen in Russia. FOOL!!

"The Bolsheviks, also known in English as the Bolshevists, were a faction founded by Vladimir Lenin and Alexander Bogdanov that split from the Menshevik faction of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP), a revolutionary SOCIALIST political party formed in 1898, at its Second Party Congress in 1903."

got it, everyone's a bolshevik who doesn't support massive income inequality and isn't a slavish whore for the rich. got it, r50. Thanks.

R51 socialist programs in capitalism creates corporatism. Do you know the difference capitalism and corporatism? Socialism only solidifies everything that's wrong with corporatism.

I have seen many Corbyn fans blame his loss on the racism of white working class people (who they claim voted for Boris because they are all racist). Do these people ever learn? According to them, it was the nation that failed Corbyn. Yeah, ok.

Absolutely true, R52. Unlimited handouts via social programs and wealth redistribution are similar to corporate welfare. Neither is an example of capitalism.

well, whatever modern American corporations are about, it ain't massive handouts via social programs to the poor. I guess you guys have that on your side. Nothing but hoovering up all the money they can get, from individuals, other corporations, and yes, the evil government. So, paradise?

Also too, the people who are terribly offended by all this corporate welfare somehow always vote for the people that will ensure that massive corporate welfare never ever stops, or even slows down.

I can tell deep down you want to vote for Bernie, or maybe Warren. Let yourself do that. It's okay. The ghost of Adam Smith will probably salute you for it.

R53, the funny thing is that many in Labour (including Corbyn) are deeply anti-Semitic. The choice was between 2 different types of racists.

[quote]I can tell deep down you want to vote for Bernie, or maybe Warren. Let yourself do that. It's okay. The ghost of Adam Smith will probably salute you for it.

Tempting, but no.

I do think the charge of anti-Semitism definitely hurt too. Does Labour have a new leader yet? It should.

Honestly, with the economy doing this well, I think Trump is going to get re-elected no matter WHO the Dems run. I have at least 3 Republican relatives who I managed to guilt/cajole/threaten into voting for Clinton. They've all told me there's no chance next year - it's Trump for them thanks to their frigging 401Ks. And I can't really even say anything because I will not vote for Sanders under any circumstances. Period. I certainly will vote the down-ballot races, but Bernie? FUCK NO.

So maybe it might be better if Bernard won the primary and got absolutely obliterated in the election. It might at least give us a chance to purge the far-left and put an end to the Squad and their bullshit. Only problem is how difficult that would make it to retake the Senate. Then again, just like the Corbynistas in the UK, if Comrade Bernie loses you can be sure it will be someone else's fault.

R32 Everyone who thinks the New Deal saved us from the depression raising their hands. Oh look R32 nobody is raising their hands not even you. Trump proved deregulation and tax cuts improves economies. Pete and Biden have similar economic ideas. Bernie's plan is an incoherent virtue-signaling grabbag of giveaways.

For R32

For R32

Bernie is not my choice but if he is the Dem nominee I will vote for him. People refusing to vote for him if he is the nominee is how tRump got elected.

For R32

Trump and the New Deal and World War II proved massive government spending "saves" economies. What nobody actually does, as president, NOBODY, is to just depend on the free market doing it's thing. Seriously, nobody. It is always about putting money into the economy artificially, as much as you can get away with politically. The question is how much goes to the rich, and how much goes to everyone else.

Bernie and Warren, and yes, Pete and Biden, would put it in through health care spending and infrastructure and forgiving student loan debt, etc.

you don't honestly think that anyone seriously believes in the free market, do you?

and how exactly do the whores of the rich explain the Obama economy versus the late Bush economy. Never was there a bigger whore for the rich than Bush, but somehow, collapse? Weird. Then Obama stepped in and somehow everything started to get better. It's almost like not constantly whoring for the rich and giving huge tax cuts to the rich might be a better strategy.

But R65 you forgot that Obama proved that massive spending gets you nowhere and boy did he spend massively and boy did he get nowhere...

um, constant growth and a constantly falling unemployment rate through most of his presidency? Define nowhere. Should have spent more of course, but fuckwits, especially Republican fuckwits, were married to the idea that unless you are giving money to rich fuckwits you are not being "government."

R66, Obama is currently loathed by the Bernie Bro left. He's a neoliberal to them, so that's not a good example.

R48 I applaud your googling skills but take another 30 seconds and check out what happened to the Labour vote between 1997 and 2001 after four years of experiencing Blair's government.

R53 And exactly what did the Hillary stans on this site do to explain her loss to Trump?

doesn't matter, Obama was too centrist but at least he wasn't in the cult of Do More For Rich People. Now of course, the whole party has moved left, because the spell of Reaganism is finally falling away. Even Pete would be a leftist, compared to Clinton or Obama.

R70, as I'm sure you know,. Hillary won the popular vote by 3M votes. We have a fucked up electoral system where my vote in California is worth 1/10 of a vote (or something like that). That was the biggest disparity between the popular vote and electoral vote in American history. Corbyn doesn't have the same excuse. His party lost by about 3 million votes.

At your suggestion, R70, I Googled the 2001 and 2005 UK general elections. Labour lost support but they still won those elections. So what's the problem?

I’ve never doubted that he could get the nomination - personally I really would not want to see it. He’s been able to skate by with barely any attacks or hit pieces at all - he has The Squad and his rabid fanboys on the offensive 24/7, shielding him and making sure nothing sticks.

I want this old bitch put through the ringer - he’s had it way too easy.

Bernie Bros haven't faced the Trump Turds directly, R74. It'll be cult vs. cult. Sadly, my money (but not my vote; I'll be neutral) is on Trump in such a matchup. Although Bernie and his Bros try their damndest to be the most dishonest and insane campaign out there, Trump has them beat on both fronts.

And that's just it, r74 : doesn't it strike anyone else as peculiar how he's gotten off scot-free? We know all about "Faux-cahontas", Hunter Biden, the Wine Cave, the salad comb... Yet the national news media reports almost nothing negative about Bernie. We know it's there, a Google search will tell you all about the USSR honeymoon, the sleazy pig wife and her corruption, the years of doing nothing in the Senate, the fact his wife and kid were on welfare while he refused to work, his rape fiction... It's almost like there's a political party deliberately holding the dirt back while licking its chops at the idea of facing this clown in a general election.

And the Dems facing this guy should go up for political malpractice for treating him with kid gloves. Clinton did it for fear of pissing off his deranged cult and you see the good it did her.

Oh goody, another bitch who will be neutral if their own particular candidate doesn't win the nomination. Because voting against the most corrupt grifter to ever pollute the White House just doesn't matter when their precious fee fees are at stake. Awesome. That helps so much.

No, R77, I'll only be neutral if Bernie (and possibly Warren) wins the nomination. I'm okay with the rest of the viable candidates.

R72, R73 the point was that Hillary stans blamed Trump's victory on racist deplorables and decided that the electorate had failed. Since this almost certainly included you, you don't get to attack Corbyn supporters for doing the same thing.

Also, the problem with Labour losing 3 million votes between 1997 and 2001 is that it started the process of decline in Northern English seats which ultimately saw them, 16 years later, go Conservative. These processes take generations and can't be summed up in off-the-cuff InstaPundit takes about whether parties should go left or go right or whether the leader needs to do up his tie correctly. If you want to see the same process closer to home I suggest a trip to Ohio.

yup, fee fees.

And the fact is it will probably be Biden and I will settle for yet another centrist doing his thing. But if by some miracle it is an actual progressive, the fact that so many will retreat into their little corner is rather sad in a once progressive party.

And I say Warren because she's currently pissing me off. I'm sure that I'd vote for her in a general (reluctantly). Bernie is a no-go. I don't vote for cults (left or right).

Love the people on this board who say they will vote for any dem nominee, no matter what and as soon as anyone who isn't Pete or Biden is mentioned, they object and say they won't vote for them.

Yes, R76, you're such a credible poster, clinging to your debunked fantasies about "rape fiction." You're either a paid troll, a bot or another useful idiot for the powers that seek the continued subjugation of the middle and lower classes. Take a pill.

Meanwhile, Kylie Jenner just spent $12,000 on a cristal encrusted 90s Beanie bear.

R60 is a demented Trumptard who loves Ayn Rand. The New Deal saved America. Maybe not rapacious bankers, greedy corporation owners, or indifferent Wall Street, but the American labor force that became our Middle Class, thanks to Democrats such as FDR and Truman (G.I. Bill for higher education).

Who the fuck cares about UK politics? This thread is about Bernie Sanders and American politics. Please, we don't give a fuck about Corbyn in the UK.

and of course an incoherent grab bag of giveaways to the poor and working class would be infinitely preferable to yet another dreary tax cut for rich assholes, which accomplishes jack squat other than giving the dreary rich another tax cut.

FDR was a racist asshole. He left AA out of the GI bill, after they came back from fighting in world war 2. 100,000 black men we're screwed, because that asshole didn't deem them worthy of inclusion of the GI bill.

Yeah, no doubt, the racism was thick on the ground in 1944. We should do all the New Deal stuff, over and over again, but without all the racism. tis true.

I will vote for him if somehow I am forced to make that choice like most good Democrats of Conscience. However, I will never forgive the bloodthirsty and divisive smearing and harassment of fellow Democrats that he and his surrogates have ONCE AGAIN knowingly enabled. Or they’ve simply just sat by and watched shit happen, only offering a weak ass statement disavowing some bad behavior when they’re forced to.

So yeah fuck you and good luck with those 4 years, Sir.

bloodthirsty? Okay, what the hell? I know you're all Hilarybots, and that's fine, I voted for her too, but seriously, bloodthirsty?

most everyone on this thread is kind of a lunatic, right?

Especially you, R92.

Whoever you vote for, the important thing is that everyone renounce the Republican Party and all its works.

So let it be written. So let it be done.

And don't forget the Senate. Whatever you think of Bernie or Pete or anyone else, never forget, Mitch McConnell is the true Antichrist.

He'll do what he does in Vermont, run in the Democratic Primary, win the Primary, and then decline the win and run as an Independent. He won't fuck the party until he possibly gets into the White House. but don't think he is going to do anything to build the party and down ballot races. He lost Iowa to Hilary by 1%. He will win this time.

Any other candidate would have been forced to drop out after having a heart attack while campaigning. How much shit was piled on Hilary for fainting while having pneumonia in bullet proof vest on 9/11?

well no, and I admit Hillary got a ridiculous amount of shit r96, but what made that whole thing a pain in the ass was that everyone around Hillary was clearly lying about her being sick. That was just stupid.

Not that Trump isn't a thousand times worth, constantly sending people out to lie about how perfect his health is and how doctors are amazed by how amazing his health is. That's ridiculous too, actually pathological.

But in the faraway innocent year of 2016, Hillary clearly lying about being sick was a pain in the ass and a stupid error.

She should still be president though.

[quote]Bernie would have beaten Trump in '16 because he can hold the Democratic Party base.

This is exactly 100% wrong, proven by the fact that he got trounced in the primary in 2016. So much for the base.

As to the independents? Well, Bernie has never been put through the ringer. Not once. The republicans weee rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of a Bernie nom. The guy who marched and smiled with Sandinistas as they chanted “death to yankees everywhere?” The guy who wrote rape fantasies, then published them? The self proclaimed socialist? Oh yeah he’d really roll up the victories in the swing states. LOL!

yeah, can't get down with the Bernie would have won thing. Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. People were sick of the status quo, people were sick of the carefully managed and tailored images, but could they have gone for a Socialist Jew? I don't know. Maybe. He promised a shake-up, and the country, or at least a lot of the country were looking for that. But that still at most comes down to a big Maybe.

He is only one who WILL beat Trump. Dems need to stop being retarded.

I'm gonna suggest that "Dems need to stop being retarded" should not be the slogan.

Bernie still has not issued his medical records. Hmmm I wonder why?

R101 haha. No it should not be the slogan but I'm serious. Bernie will beat him. Dems need to listen.

Sorry, R103. Bernie and his fans keep bashing Dems so guess what? Dems aren’t going to anoint him.

[quote]Good. We need universal health care, a $15 minimum wage, and a president who will put the common people above corporations.

The main difference between the political environment today and that of the 1930's & '40's is that the Democrats don't have the huge majorities in Congress that Democrats did in the New Deal era.

FDR was able to win the Presidency by large margins, but what he also had going for him was that the Democrats held something like 70% of the seats in both the House and the Senate. It's challenging enough today just to get a simple majority in the Senate of 51, let alone a super majority of 60.

So any Democratic President today is not going to have the huge majority support in Congress that FDR had. When Obama was President the Dems briefly had a 60-seat majority in 2009, but it didn't last long and it will be a long time before it gets to that number again, let alone the 70 Senate seats the FDR Dems had.

R104 Well, that's a shame. It will only in end tears.

I'm almost at the point where I'm willing to say just give Bernie the damned nomination so that he will lose so badly that we will be done with him and Bernie bros forever. I mean, another 4 years of Trump will blow up the country and decimate the court system, But Bernie Bros are never going to learn. So, to stop their whining just give them what they want and watch it all come undone. Then we all can point in laugh at them at watch them all become the republicans that we know they are destined to be.

fair enough PollTroll, but part of the reason is that so often Democrats don't seem to be anything but, well yes but whine whine we want what the Republicans want but a little less Nazi. That ain't gonna cut it this election. We need to get out there with maybe a real, actual, come on stop this nonsense, stop whoring for the rich, actual agenda.

I agree, R108. Those are honorable policies & principles for the Democrats to fight for.

What people are trying to point out to Bernie and all the other Dem candidates though is that it's very difficult to pass that type of legislative agenda in a polarized political climate. It requires either large majorities in both the House & the Senate, or bi-partisan cooperation with moderate Republicans, and there's very little chance these days of the latter.

Back in 2009 the Democrats were able to get the Affordable Care Act passed on a Christmas Eve vote by 60 – 39 because they had the 60-seat super majority. But they couldn't get one Republican Senator to support it -- not even Olympia Snowe of Maine, despite the fact that Dems had offered to make changes to the bill if she would sign on.

The good news for the Dems in 2020 so far is that Dems are maintaining their 6-7 point generic ballot lead for Congress that they achieved in 2020, and prospects for retaining the House are still good.

achieved in 2018

I wasn’t sure about who to support but after the last debate I made a contribution to Sanders.

Congressional generic ballot

DEC 26, 2019

DEMS - 47.4%

REPS - 40.9%

Oh yes, I'll listen to the 5 year-old who's calling people retarded for not supporting his guy.

Bwaahahaha. No. Bernie ain't winning SHIT!

I mean he could but he very well could not.

I hope not. Bernie = Corbyn = 4 more years of Trump that the US and the planet cannot endure.

More than 25% of BernieBros didn't vote for Hillary in 2016 ... and 12% of them voted for Trump.

over and over again, in poll after poll, Bernie is the ONLY candidate who beats trump. Soundly.

But R117, more than twice that number of Hillary supporters vote for McCain rather than vote for Obama.

Not a McCain sycophant by any means, but a vote for him would have just been kicking the can down the road. A vote for Trump was raping the can and setting the road on fire.

[quote]over and over again, in poll after poll, Bernie is the ONLY candidate who beats trump. Soundly.

Just because you keep repeating it, doesn’t make it true.

Polls do show it.

And another 10% plus of Bernie supporters voted for other candidates like Jill Stein. Blech.

R122, keep repeating a lie makes it true.

Complete and utter bullshit, r119. If that were the case, Obama would have lost. Hillary supporters (I wasn't one in 2008) are adults and generally got over it.

Stop living in your echo chamber, R118. This is also NOT true. Just take a look at the 538 list of head-to-head polls. Biden does better than Bernie in most of them.

I realize the DL s trouble accepting the truth. But here it is.

Buttigieg is a corporatist loser who took you all for a ride as single issue voters. Time to own it.

Polls continue to operate by oversampling old white people with landlines. If Bernie is at the top of polls in this paradigm, in actuality he is in landslide territory.

Biden cannot make it thru an arduous campaign against Trump. Everyone knows that, especially Trump and Obama.

Realclearpolitics recently found that 52% of voters in the 18-37 age bracket were firm Bernie supporters. 35% in the 37-50 age group. When comparing other front runners (i.e., Warren, Biden and Yang), they all suffered weak suppor, as in, fewer than 27% said their candidate would certainly been their choice in the primaries or general election. For Bernie that number was over 70%.

Most telling, for all 3 of the other candidates, the number one second choice was Bernie. So if Warren drops out? Votes do not go to Biden and vice versa.

Obama, two weeks after saying he would take measures to obstruct a Bernie candidacy, now says he would support a Bernie candidacy and would campaign for him.

Bernie is going to win the primary AND the general elections.

Of course, on the DL you have a handful of anti-Bernie retards with a sociopathic insistence on calling his supporters “Bros” (even though the majority of his supporters are women) who will gnash teeth and sling insults and falsities against Bernie and his supporters because of their irrational and quite frankly disturbing allegiance to Dump.

Too bad.

Bernie is winning.

Of course Obama would, R126. He's an adult. I'll make sure to come back and laugh at you when Bernie isn't the nominee.

For those wishing an analytical review of polling data, i would recommend the videos of David Doel, otherise known as "The Rational National" on youtube. He reviews all new polling data once a week.

R128, I'll take those laughs if that happens. But doubt that.

The American political system has a 40 year period. Every 40 years it swings in the opposite direction. 1890's-1930's was wild speculation and wealth disparity. Depression. War, roosevelt populism, from late 30's to late 70's. Reagan comes along? Greed is good, wealth disparity begins again, deregulation, till now. Suffering at peak, we are due for a swing back to populism.

It's time for Bernie.

Never did understand why the gay community was so pro-Hillary. She was NEVER pro-gay community, famously gave speeches on marriage being between one man and one woman.

And yet? DL treated her like the second coming.

Downright weird.

[quote]Biden cannot make it thru an arduous campaign against Trump.

And Bernie can?? He is older and just suffered a heart attack.

Probably because DL skews white, old, and middle-class, but due to the gay factor there are fewer Republicans. God, they worshipped Hillary. How they raged when their queen was denied.

R128, Hillary is more pro-gay than Bernie. As I said before, if my preferred candidate isn't polling close to 15% in my state by the time of the primary, I will make sure to vote for Biden just for the purpose of bringing Bernie and Warren down. Happy New Year!

R131 And Bernie is still healthier, more compelling and more popular. Besides, Dump is really scared of going head to head with Bernie. Screaming the word ‘socialism’, especially after being embraced and properly defined, to generate fear will only take you but so far.

As for Biden, he has an ONGOING heart condition that requires that he take medication to prevent a potential stroke.

Dump recently had an “undisclosed emergency medical procedure “.

Let’s not.

DL's Hilllbots every time the BernieStan trolls them

What a sad little dried up ol eldergay you must be, R133. I am sure your new year will be filled with joy, and life!

Bernie has never anything but pro-LGBTQAI. The words "Marriage is defined as being between one man and one woman" have never been uttred by Bernie. He is about inclusivity.

As to the heart attack. Yes, Bernie had one, has had stents put in, and is feeling better than ever. His first health crisis occurring now, in his 70's. As opposed to Biden who has had not one but two major strokes in his early middleage. Who has high cholesterol, a-fib and high blood pressure. Who has had massive amounts of plastic surgery, ridiculous dentures he cannot hold on to, and hair plugs that are gross and disgusting all in an effort to keep from looking like the cryptkeeper --sadly, wasted efforts as he not only looks old and ill, but he is frail and confused. He cannot put a coherent sentence together, much less a paragraph. Bernie mops the floor with him in any debate.

So datalounge, go ahead, throw your tantrums, cling to Queen Hillary, bitch of all time, but when Bernie wins (and all signs point that way), i am sure his other supporters won't hold that against you.

I however, will pop back up, overand over, to remind you of your arrogant stupidity.

Yes, R136, all signs point that way except the overwhelming majority of polls, LOL.

Troll better, baby.

[quote]As for Biden, he has an ONGOING heart condition that requires that he take medication to prevent a potential stroke.

And how many cardiac meds and blood thinners do you think Bernie, who just suffered a HEART ATTACK, is on currently??

I can guarantee it’s several more than Biden.

[quote]So datalounge, go ahead, throw your tantrums, cling to Queen Hillary, bitch of all time, but when Bernie wins (and all signs point that way), i am sure his other supporters won't hold that against you.

Hahahah! The biggest, most horrible trolls of this election and the last one (with the notable exception of Trumpkins) are Bernie supporters. They hold something against people even when they have no reason to.

Enjoy.

Bernie refuses to disclose his medical records, unlike Biden. That's not the action of someone who is "healthy". This is not the time for Bernie to be president. He belongs in the senate where he can continue to shout a bunch of left-wing rhetoric that will be fulfilled in action by Democrats similar to Biden, Pelosi, etc. who have actual track records of success. His best gift is mobilizing people with populist rhetoric. His failure is his inability to accomplish anything on the federal level.

Bernie will win. He has revitalized the Democratic Party and will revitalize the country as President of the United States.

I can't wait for Bernie to lose and all the hateful Bros to go away forever.

Bernie has said he will relese all of his medical records before th primaries. He has also released the medical records related to his heart attack. And all of his medical records prior to 206 have been released. This is pretty much a non-starter.

Biden on the other hand, has released almost nothing.

I do not understand why the Datalounge eldergays dislike Bernie. The only POSSIBLE explanation is that eldergays are secretly republicans, do not wnt to own up to the fact that they are greedy bastards who think "I've got mine, fuck all the rest of you", and vote their pocketbooks. Period. if that means having to endure neoliberal pondscum like HIllary Clinton or Joe Biden, so be it. If there were only a way to support Donald Trump without being socially ostracized, eh Eldergays?

Yeah, we Bernie bros are the hateful ones

The 25% of Bernie supporters that didn't vote for Hilary in 2016 voted for Donald Trump followed by Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. This tells you all you need to know.

R144, if all Democrats are evil, why do you and Bernie want to be in the Democratic primary at all?

Bernie isn’t and doesn’t want to be a part of this party. He wants to pick and choose when he’s loyal to the party.

I don’t trust that. And his behavior confirms why I shouldn’t trust it. He wants to damage the party enough until he gets to control it.

No, thanks.

R146, Bernie wants to have his cake and eat it too. Pick a damn side, Bernie.

An elderly Socialist Jew Independent who wants Medicare for ooh-ul? Yeah, that's gonna fly in Flyover.

"Bernie will win. He has revitalized the Democratic Party and will revitalize the country as President of the United States."

Bernie can't even revitalize his own bad ticker, much less an entire political party, R142. How much more delusional can you get?

And just an FYI; the entire Democratic Party is a paper tiger, just waiting to be shredded by the Republicans come November, especially if Bernie or Warren is the candidate.

R149, I have no idea how that person who posted that thinks that Bernie has revitalized the Democratic Party when he isn't even part of the democratic party.

And R149 What does revitalizing one's own ticker even mean?

The democratic party moved to the right when Clinton was impeached. He sold his soul to the devil in order to avoid the 2/3 guilty verdict in the senate. From that point onward, Clinton abandoned the left and became a republican. Deregulated media, began the deregulation of wall street and banking, blocked antitrust regulation, began globalization of trade, started the move to massive redistribution of wealth. When Bush "won" in 2000, he mrely grasped the opportunity to go full bore into the breach. Expanded wars in Afghanistan, started Iraq, exploded the defense budget, and even suggested privatizing social security.

Obama runs on change we can believe in, and then promptly installs the goldman sachs board of directors as his cabinet. He himself said, "My policies, examined in any other time, would be considered at most moderately republican. In fact I am very conservative."

So we are looking NOT at two parties, but at one party. A conservative one. The republicans all the way to the right and the democrats, only mildly to the left of them. In fact, if you look at Hillary's positions they were to the RIGHT of Trump's. She was pro-fracking, pro-BigOil, pro-Banking, anti-national health insurance. Against raising the minimum wage, anti-labor, pro-trade agreements, pro-wall. There was not ONE position Trump ran on that Hillary did not go further on.

Bernie is not picking and choosing which parts of the democratic party AS IT NOW EXISTS, he will incorporate into his policies. He is clearly returning the democratic party to its Roosevelt populism. It is a populism people have been screaming for for the last 4 decads, but Democrats, corrupt to their core, refused to give up the lobbying gravy train.

The Democrats now, would RATHER lose to Trump than to win with a populist like Bernie. They lose with Bernie: no more lobbying money from Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Banking, all the rest.

So yeah, Bernie represents the end of the current Democratic party's standard operating procedures. They have got to be terrified of complete destruction if they are now saying, "Bernie could be the candidate". They have thrown everything at Bernie, from Hillary, to Bloomberg, to 16 other candidates and they cannot knock him down. He continues to get more money from more little guys than anyone has ever seen. Contrary to what the now complete deregulated MSM is reporting, Bernie is likely to win Iowa, Nevada and SC, and in CA? He is leading by wide margins.

There are plots being considered and plans being hatched but only because corruption and is being threatened.

I will never understand why gay men, now assured of gay marriage, cannot leave the misplaced peer pressure of the gay community and see the truth of what Bernie is talking about.

Wondering if those claimed to be supporters could be like me. I received multiple texts from different private parties asking me to support one of Bernie's political positions.

Even though I do not back him if I hadn't read the text message extremely carefully I would have responded "Yes" to the question if "I was IN" as I did agree with the political statement as written. Actually I'll bet all Democrats and almost all Republicans would also have said YES, not to Bernie, but to the non-partisan objective of cleaning up crime.

Instead I blocked all numbers but know that most quick readers of Text messages would not do so. So that's how Bernie could be claiming to have so many backers in Vegas and elsewhere.

R151, so much of what you typed is completely inaccurate.

I don't get why so many of you are so possessive of the Democratic party. A political party is like a shovel, if it's not digging so good junk it and get another one.

Really, R153? Enlighten me.

Can someone please explain why the media hasn't destroyed Bernie over the fact that the Mueller Report showed that the Kremlin actively promoted Bernie? Or the fact that Bernie voted against sanctions for Russia? Or the fact that Bernie actually had the audacity to blame Hilary for Russia's interference in the elections? Are they waiting for when/if he gets the nomination?

Dear Concerned European:

America is a two party duopoly system. You don't understand that?

Bernie’s polling numbers are extremely suspect. His actual real-world support is most likely about a quarter of what is being reported.

R157 As I'm a concerned European there are probably things I don't understand but from the outside the US party system looks a lot looser than what we have in Western Europe. After all, depending on your state, you don't have to be a member of a party to vote in the primary for that party's presidential candidate, some states let you vote in more primary, some politicians switch back and forth between the two parties, some people are still registered democrats despite not having voted democrat since Reagan's day. So, if someone comes along determined to run in the D. primary as an independent, why is it so big a deal? With all the huffing and puffing about him not being a 'real' democrat you'd think he cheated on you or something.

It's more understandable in many Western European where you pay money to be a party member and some people treat it like supporting a football team, but the US system seems deliberately designed to be different.

^^^^ above should read: some states let you vote in more than one* primary.

No state lets you vote in more than one primary, I'm not sure what you mean by that?

"With all the huffing and puffing about him not being a 'real' democrat you'd think he cheated on you or something."

Although I have seen it apply to former Republican New York Mayor Bloomberg recently, this is usually something cited by (bitter) Clinton fans against Bernie Sanders.

Sadly he will lose. They all will until Mitch and Trump are dead.

R161 I meant can you vote in the Arizona primary (eg) for Republican candidate for President but also for Democratic candidate for President (or another office)? Quite a few states allow people not registered to either vote but do they make you pick one or the other? The primaries aren't always on the same day, at least Senate primaries aren't.

R161 I agree that a lot of it is just Clinton stan bitterness, I just wondered why her fans were so wedded to the idea of being a 'real' democrat when the US system doesn't seem to go out of its way to encourage people to deeply identify with one or other party.

IIRC when Trump started making noises about running for Prez there was genuine uncertainty about which primary he'd run in.

C E:

Some states do hold the party presidential primary on its own, and the party primaries for other offices later in the year; so, yes, the same person could vote Democratic in say March and Republican in September. It is more of a hypothetical concept than a meaningful factor. Since you seem interested, here is the deep-in-the-political-weeds stuff...

A few states, such as Pennsylvania, make changing parties difficult, so that once you've enrolled in one, you need to know to file in writing with your local elections office far in advance to change. Other states, such as Ohio and Texas, allow a voter to request a ballot of whichever party races interest them for that day, next time they get to choose anew with previous choice irrelevant. Washington state (not D. C.) and California have what's called Top Two for all offices other than U S President: a first-round, or primary, where everyone who wants to run for an office such as Senator, or House of Representatives, is listed on a single ballot for all registered voters, with their political party affiliation next to their name; the two past the post, as I believe the expression goes, advance to a general election 'runoff' to win the seat. Kamala Harris was elected to the Senate from California by defeating another Democrat as the other (surviving) candidate.

Thanks R161.

I'm in a definitive blue state so I'll be happy to work against Bernie with phone banking and door knocking. If he's the nominee I will write in someone else knowing he'll still win my state. I'm doing the Bernie Bros playbook.

Yes, r167! If all that was good enough for Nina Turner, Queen of the Berners, it's good enough for me too!

I will never forgive Bernie and the Bros for what they did in 2016 and helped give us Trump.

DL, try reading sometime. It might actually inform one of your opinions sometime. Because really, this is just embarrassing.

[quote]I don't get why so many of you are so possessive of the Democratic party. A political party is like a shovel, if it's not digging so good junk it and get another one.

This is one of the dumbest things ever written on DL. And you all KNOW how stupid things get here. Anybody who doesn't understand why we're 'possessive' of out political party is not knowledgeable enough to offer their (uninformed) opinions and critique.

As far as Bernie goes - the man JUST had a heart attack (and attempted to cover it up). Remember when Hillary had pneumonia and so many people were shrieking that she was too old and not fit for office? Well, someone who's recently had a heart attack IS truly unfit for office. Enough with the delusions already. Bernie is not a viable candidate.

R127 Ok, let’s see the receipts on your claim that the majority of Bernie’s supporters are women.

Knowing how Bernouts operate, I’m guessing your evidence is an ancient, cherry-picked poll. Prove me wrong.

I swear that Bernie supporters don’t talk to actual, live humans over the age of 28. No one likes that gnarly old gasbag. The best thing about him is Larry David on SNL.

And I’m a TULSI supporter! BernieBros on Twitter think that that means I would support him in lockstep. Nah. I just commend people like Tulsi who call out the hypocrites (like the DNC rigging for Clinton). It doesn’t mean I LIKE Bernie.

If the nominee isn’t Tulsi, Buttigieg (though he’s hanging on by a thread for my support), or Klobuchar I’m not voting Dem. I want an adult in the room and not some heinous lightning rod for the SJWs.

Bernie is winning.

It's Bloomberg or Biden with a sexy V.P.pick.

I'm hoping for Harris or Beto.

Mayor Pete is the dark horse . I sadly don't think Americans in the swing states are ready for the gay guy.

And please remember the trans crap has done us some real damage. With SCOTUS being packed against us we are in a really, really bad position.

[quote]I'm hoping for Harris or Beto.

Keep hoping.

[quote]Mayor Pete is the dark horse

It's Amy who is the dark horse.

Please, we need to vote for whoever the Dem nominee is or we will end up with Trump.

R169, Bernie is as pigheaded as Ralph Nader was in 2000, but arguably worse. I really pray he doesn't get the nomination. I would vote, by default, for any democrat who gets the nomination, but I'd have to plug my nose if he (or Warren) is the nominee.

R169 and R178: well said. However, I will be throwing up in the voting booth not just holding my nose. Red state types will not vote for socialists, even though The Orange Shit Ass is in bed with Poootin.

Don’t hold your nose and vote for Bernie. He has absolutely zero chance of winning against Trump, so there’s no point even pulling the lever for him.

He won’t be able to win more than three or four states in a general election. It will be an embarrassing landslide loss for Democrats if they nominate this blowhard.

R180 And your evidence for this is what, exactly? Given that all the current polling data says the complete opposite.

I'm doing everything I can to nominate someone other than Bernie. I live in a safe blue state so I don't have to vote for him if he's the nominee.

Bernie and Warren will never, ever be close .

Just stop this crap. Please, please get on board of a candidate that can win.

It's the SCOTUS that matters. Our rights are hanging by a thread.

Wake up. For Christ sakes. We could lose everything.

He will win.

Is that why Warren's campaign came out with the new accusation that Bernie said a woman can't win? Warren reminds me of an old biddy school marm.

R185 it’s part of their joint agenda...

Warren is way more strategic than she comes across. Her “aww shucks, I’m just a girl from Oklahoma” campaign persona is just a big fake act.

R187, it sure beats Bernie's "I'm not an old white guy, I'm the leader of the woke working class!" routine. And even if one disagrees with Warren politically, they have to admit she is an intelligent and accomplished person with a long history of success in the careers she has had.

Bernie will carry two states. Trump was going to win regardless but the question was by how much. This is gonna be a blowout and Trump will take it as a mandate.

Bern and Liz are playing this thing expertly.

They will win.

Ugh I'll vote for him but I really dislike the progressive left. They're so weird and his people are kind of annoying. AOC is a hypocrite, buying a chichi dog.

R191, more importantly, none of the people promoted by Bernie or AOC have flipped a single seat in Congress. Shows how "special" they are.

R191, more importantly, none of the people promoted by Bernie or AOC have flipped a single seat in Congress. Shows how "special" they are.

More importantly, Biden can’t talk and is really a Republican.

Bernie and Liz all the way.

No, Biden isn't a Republican--just because he isn't a populist and is to the right of them doesn't make him Republican.

Policies and positions matter more to me than a fucking letter next to a name.

Seriously, is this what we’ve been reduced to in regards to our political nuance: letters and colors?

Fuck.

[quote]More importantly, Biden can’t talk and is really a Republican.

He's very much a Democrat. The funny thing here is, there's someone in this equation who isn't REALLY something, but it's not Biden!

Hint: who is so precious and special he can't be a member of either political party, but then joins the democratic party just to take advantage of its campaigning structure, then resigns from the party just as soon as he's finished using it, then joins it AGAIN to repeat the process?

That's someone who, I think we all agree, isn't a true democrat.

R197 It’s very simple: he’s an Independent who caucuses with Democrats.

He’s certainly never been a Republican who claims they’ve seen the light (AFTER higher education) and switched to becoming a Democrat.

He’s also not a Democratic candidate who would seek a Republican for a VP pick.

Yes, I think we can agree that Bernie isn’t that type of “Democrat”.

Bernie's that type of "independent" candidate to vote against background checks and waiting periods for gun purchases which makes him a lover of the NRA. Hmm, I wonder what party is a bigger supporter of that group???

I just don't think he can beat the Tangerine Toilet.

Polls show he can, R200.

He’s going to raise taxes on the upper-middle class, isn’t he?

And he was slow on gay marriage. In fucking Vermont.

I dislike him, but the polls do suggest he’d win against Cheeto.

I’ll vote for him if he gets the nomination. I want Biden, however.

[quote] Polls show he can, [R200].

Polls said the same for Hilary.

^That's what bothers me and why I don't buy into polls. The Big old Tangelo will probably buy this election (with our money now) too.

Bernie is going to win. Latest NH and national poll both have him at #1.

I think Bernie's just having his time at the lead, like Harris, Warren, and Buttigieg. It's just the cycle. Things revert to the mean.

Bernie might win IA and NH, but those are quirky white states. I can't imagine him having legs in South Carolina.

But I'll vote for him in the general if he wins the nomination.

R208 We’re living in a very different time right now, with the world burning, the US on the brink of war with Iran and an Impeached President gearing to run for a second term...

Bernie’s clarity, lucidity and assertiveness is much needed and wanted.

He will be the nominee and subsequently the President of the United States of America.

[quote] Bernie’s clarity, lucidity and assertiveness is much needed and wanted.

Bernie is none of those things. We don't need some politician who "missed the vote" on sanctions for Russia, whose campaign (per the Mueller report) was supported by The Kremlin or who had a heart attack and refused to disclosed his medical records despite promising to do so. We need someone who actually has the ability to get things passed in congress. Bernie is completely ineffective on that last count. I will vote for him if he's the candidate but I won't be happy to vote for him.

R210 I read the first three words of your post. I’m sure it’s laden with anti- Bernie insults and some insipidly baseless claim that all of his supporters are men or “Bros” or some other such shit.

As a fem gay Latino, I am inspired and swayed by women. 70% of which make up his leadership team.

*before I stopped reading

Is he likely to prop up the regimes in Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela? I just not with that. Neoconservative insults anticipated and ... whatever.

Bernie and Warren aren't getting anywhere near this.

They can spat and flounder all they want.

At this point they're just two old people embarrassing themselves.

[quote] Is he likely to prop up the regimes in Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela? I just not with that.

No, Senator Sanders would not “prop up the regimes in Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela”; he is focused on equalizing resources, opportunities, medical care and education here in America.

Quite frankly, I don’t think ANY politician could disrupt the US to the degrees the countries you’ve mentioned have been disrupted. We’re a diverse, unruly, independent and liberally minded country. There would be riots, protests and marches like never before.

But no, Bernie isn’t trying to take over the US and turn it into Venezuela. Has he commented positively on their governments during upswings in the past? Yes, and?

He is an American, first and foremost, who identifies himself politically as an Independent, and who caucuses with and champions the core values of the Democratic Party.

He’s not a Russian; he’s not Hitler.

[quote]Neoconservative insults anticipated and ... whatever.

And? This is to be expected no matter who is the nominee.

One thing is for sure, Bernie is better equipped than the rest to stand strong against those attacks and to inevitably rake those bitches over the coals.

*no matter who the nominee is.

Oy.

R211, I'm just going to assume that was a parody post.

As one of the cult if their god has ever done anything wrong. Nothing, they all say.

Creepy like the OJ and Cheeto cults.

Bernie's Putin's best buddy.

R219, yes, that was confirmed in the Mueller Report. They wanted Jill Stein, Trump or Bernie to win. But don't tell that to Bernie supporters, they just won't believe you. On a facebook post of a guardian article on how much dirt Republicans have on Bernie (apparently, enough to be wheeled in on a cart), people were claiming that this was just a Kremlin supporter posting fake news. These people just choose not to listen.

It's not the Socialist bit that would do him in, as much as that this time around he's gone full steam ahead, full-blown SJW woke.

I walked past a flat with a Bernie sticker in the window earlier today. In Scotland. Why?

R220 Listen, you insidious fucktard, 10-25% of Hillary Clinton supporters couldn’t bring themselves to support Obama for “reasonzzz” and voted for McCain.

I can prove tangential points, too.

I wonder what foreign leaders supported the appointment of Dump and Clinton...

Is he likely to prop up the regimes in Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela? I just not with that. No, Senator Sanders would not “prop up the regimes in Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela”; he is focused on equalizing resources, opportunities, medical care and education here in America.

Quite frankly, I don’t think ANY politician could disrupt the US to the degrees the countries you’ve mentioned have been disrupted. We’re a diverse, unruly, independent and liberally minded country. There would be riots, protests and marches like never before.

But no, Bernie isn’t trying to take over the US and turn it into Venezuela. Has he commented positively on their governments during upswings in the past? Yes, and?

He is an American, first and foremost, who identifies himself politically as an Independent, and who caucuses with and champions the core values of the Democratic Party.

He’s not a Russian; he’s not Hitler.

Neoconservative insults anticipated and ... whatever. And? This is to be expected **no matter who the nominee is.**

One thing is for sure, Bernie is better equipped than the rest to stand strong against those attacks and to inevitably rake those bitches over the coals.

[quote]Bernie is better equipped than the rest

Pics please.

R223, predictable hysterical response and one that is irrelevant to what I typed. And it was 15%, NOT 24%. that 24% is a lie spread by Bernie's supporters. This is confirmed by exit polls. And you seriously are comparing people who voted for Trump versus those who voted for McCain? Despite how liberal you may be, you cannot even put those two in the same playing field. 24% of those who voted for Bernie DID vote for other candidates besides Hilary btw, and 12% voted for Trump. REGARDLESS if those voters were committed Democrats or not, that means at least 12 to 24% of those who voted for Bernie have some kind of weird cognitive dissonance/mental instability that causes them to see reality incorrectly.

R226 That’s why I typed “10-25%”, you fuckwad.

You’re clever but not enough for me.

You’re trying to obfuscate and have readers believe Bernie is a Russian asset even though that asset is sitting, IMPEACHED, in the White House now.

R227, you are a typical, hysterical Bernie bro. You aren't clever--you're just seriously unable to look at the evidence before you. And again, you cannot compare people who voted for McCain versus people who voted for Trump. They are not nearly in the same category. If you are trying to draw a supposed moral equivalence between them, you fail. And again, what about the Mueller Report do you not understand? It's not like this information is made up. You just refuse to believe information put in front of you. And that's pathetic.

Obfuscating again, I see, R228.

You’re pathetic, verbose and superfluous.

I don't get what this revolution he wants is going to look like. I mean, can't we like just fix the things that we can fix, instead of turning over the table?

And why raise taxes on financial transactions and incomes under $1 million? Like WTF.

The wonderful Kellyanne was quoted after election day as saying "We were concerned that Bernie would be able to pull off the nomination, as Hillary (and her baggage) were an easier opponent than he would have been."

Oh yeah, she's known for truthfulness, R231. She's saying that now so Dems choose Bernie, rube.

She said it right after the 2016 election!

R15 DLers don't care about policy. Most of the old queens here just want a gay man to be president.

[quote] I walked past a flat with a Bernie sticker in the window earlier today. In Scotland. Why?

He's extremely popular in most of Europe, especially UK and Netherlands.

Bernie is winning

Bernie = 4 more years of Trump

R237 You’re either dumb or a liar; maybe both.

If he does win, you better hope he picks a good VP. He'd never make it through the first term.

I loved Bernie and was for him big time in 2016 and detested having to vote for Hillary as I hate her and all the Clintons, but this time around I found I'm much more drawn to Warren. She wants everything good that Bernie wants only she has a way to pay for it with a real thought out plan. I also think she'd be a harder worker and has more guts to stand up to the right. Now I'm totally pissed at Bernie for the crap he pulled on Warren on Debate night. It's bad enough he said it to her but to them lie about it and make her look like liar is too much. Of course I would vote for Bernie if he did get the nomination but I very much want Warren to win. I think she will wipe the floor with Trump.

The 1%, banks, Wall Street, the insurance and drug companies all fear Warren and for some reason fear none of the other candidates. What does that tell you? Warren is the closest we will get to FDR in our lifetime. I hope we don't blow it

Ah my Bernie...You really fucked up. I will not fight for you unless you are the nominee.

I know Bernie has fans in the UK, R235, but why put a sticker in your window? No one here can vote for him.

It looks like Bernie definitely fucked up. Poor bastard. And when loses the nomination or the general I hope the Bros realize that they were one of the main reasons for this.

What happened r242?

Why are Bernie's supporters such mean assholes? There's a "comedian" on Twitter named Dave Anthony that used to be funny but now he's an unhinged Bernie bro and seems to really hate Elizebeth Warren.

R240, I am with you. Warren’s the youngest septuagenarian, offers the details, stands with common people, is an actual Democrat, and lacks Bernie’s arrogance.

I am not a Warren supporter (I do like her work as a professor though) but even I can see she is a much more qualified person to run the country than Bernie. To me, the idea of Bernie shaking hands with the other leaders of the world is as repulsive and ridiculous as Trump doing the same thing.

R241, Bernie and Warren think of a President as only having a one-note Presidency: the one and only issue of concern is whether that person declares themselves to be the enemy of corporations. If they hate corporations, of course that proves they will be good at every aspect of the Presidency, because nothing else is of any consequence.

In the past, corporations treated people a lot better, partly due to regulations, partly people grew up through decades of regulations, making corporations, their employees, and everybody else just automatically assume corporations have to act a certain way. So they did. They psyched themselves into it. Unions were strong and taken for granted.

It was the same thing with the Fairness Doctrine, which was eliminated by Reagan. People just assumed that of course networks had to give equal time and always would. When that was eliminated, that came to an abrupt end and we found out they didn’t have to at all. Now we have Fox News as a result. It’s the natural consequence of the end of forcing people to be fair. They stop.

The problem isn’t that every corporation is full of evil monsters, or that the idea of for-profit businesses existing is evil in itself, the problem is decades of Democrats lying down and playing dead while Republicans ran rough-shod over society and made our everyday lives into a real-life re-enactment of The Purge.

The solution for that isn’t a few radical left wingers overriding every branch of government. The solution is a vast, mass coalition of everybody on the left, moderate and more progressive, uniting as one and getting control of Congress and the Executive branch. Nothing else will do, unless, like Trump, you think a few should overrule the mass. Left wingers who think that’s a good idea need look no further than the White House. There’s a perfect example of it in practice.

In real life, Presidents seldom get to choose their causes. George W. Bush found out about that on 9/11, FDR found out on Dec 7, 1941. You play the hand you’re dealt, not the one you want to play. Very often, all the President’s priorities are swept aside to deal with some new emergency. Obama campaigned on infrastructure, then the Great Recession happened. No money.

This next President will have to deal with Putin, who seems to be making his move right now to consolidate power and take over the world, repairing our damaged alliances to try to defend ourselves, losing influence in the Middle East and suffering terrorism as a result, an economic crisis caused by Trump spending like a drunken sailor, gun violence, and global warming. And you barely hear a word about any of these. Look at candidates under that lens, not “I hate corporations,” which is probably going to become irrelevant the second Putin makes his move. A President has to roll with the punches, even if they’re entirely unpredictable. Bernie’s getting old for that.

Bernie’s weak on foreign policy, in 2016 he did an interview that showed he was frighteningly incompetent. Watch what they say about foreign policy, that’s the real issue if we want to survive as a free country.

We’ve got a stealth one here, boys and girls..

[quote]Now I'm totally pissed at Bernie for the crap he pulled on Warren on Debate night. It's bad enough he said it to her but to them lie about it and make her look like liar is too much.

This is why I’m no buying that shit about you being a Bernie supporter and all. So, right away you assume Warren is telling the truth?

...

Now, I like Warren and all (#LizBern and all of that), but since this last debacle, I have had to, in good conscience, review basic facts about both she and Bernie:

Bernie has always been an Independent who caucuses with Democrats. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until the age of 47.

Bernie has never tried hiding or distorting or enhancing his heritage. Warren claimed she was Native American as if she were at least 10% Native American;, she is less than .5% Native American. She issued an apology.

Bernie doesn’t accept corporate PAC funds; Elizabeth claimed she wouldn’t use any during her Presidential campaign and then transferred over PAC funds from her Senate campaign into... her presidential campaign.

There is more and we can really “go there” as they say

The rest of your shit is laughable and truly deplorable, desperate drivel .

Oh, and -

R224: He is an American, first and foremost, who identifies himself politically as an Independent, and who caucuses with and champions the core values of the Democratic Party.

My gawd you're delusional. He proudly and repeatedly identifies himself as a SOCIALIST, and that's why Trump is complaining that Pelosi is trying to damage his chances. He knows all he'd have to say "Socialist' over and over and over, and he'd win again.

Social Democrat/Democratic Socialist.

You’re trying to use fear tactics you regarded bitch.

...you regarded bitch.

Bernie hasn’t accomplished anything in Congress besides boorish platitudes.

R253 lol. Bitch!

Spellcheck was kind to you.

R252, not delusional. Factual. He's a self-declared Socialist, and will LOSE BECAUSE OF THAT. America isn't a socialist country. Maybe in 20-30 years, but even that is unlikely.

R256 America is kept afloat partly because of socialism (the rich love it too, btw, but only for them).

Try telling Americans you’re taking away their Social Security and Medicare “because socialism” and you’ll see just what America is, toots.

R257, there's a huge difference between 'afloat partly' and the 'Everything for Free Because Everyone Deserves Everything For Free' Sander's campaign.

R258 You’re veering on the absurd.

First, Senator Sanders isn’t promising or even advocating for “Everything for Free Because Everyone Deserves Everything For Free”; that seems to be YOUR fear; and it’s based on lies, being uneducated on the matters at hand and not the tiniest bit of capitalistic terrorism (there is such a thing).

And yet, even is Senator Sanders were promising what you claim and fear, it is LAUGHABLE to think he would be able to do so. He’s barely allowed to run for President.

Supporting Senator Bernie Sanders for President of the United States is about continuing the fight fought by FDR, MLK JFK, Jesse Jackson and others.

Again, try taking away Social Security and Medicare, like the Republicans (and some Democrats) are itching to do and you’ll see what America really is, toots.

*even if

And yes, he will be the nominee and President of the United States.

Bernie promotes his ideas as being payed for by the upper class but that's a lie. Per CNBC, his plans will cost $60 Trillion Dollars--not a typo. His planned taxes only cover about 40% of that. And his taxes will also impact those who are middle class, NOT just those who are "rich". Sanders constantly fetishizes Scandinavia. Did anyone tell him that Scandinavia also taxes the middle class very highly, far more than the middle class is taxed here? Americans would be fine paying slightly higher taxes but NOT Scandinavia levels.

I think Sanders might actually do better than Biden among black voters in a general election because he has significantly more support among young black voters. Older black voters are going to turn out in roughly the same numbers, regardless of who the Democratic candidate is. If Sanders can turn out young black voters, then that could make all the difference. Hillary's inability to do this was one of the main reasons she lost.

On the other hand, Biden attracts more of the Never-Trumpers and suburban voters, so who really knows?

I think South Carolina is not going to be the firewall Biden's fans are counting on. There are massively high expectations for him there, especially if he does poorly in Iowa and New Hampshire, that I just don't see him meeting.

Social Security is not socialism. It’s an earned investment program that employees pay into. Republicans sponsored corporate welfare is socialism.

R264, I don't think so. Older people vote in much higher numbers than younger people do.

Yes, Bernie and also Elizabeth's plans have a shocking price tag but how many trillions will be saved by the middle class when they no longer have any medical bills at all, no college loans, affordable housing, safer food without having to go organic when all the regulations are put back into place, trillions less for never ending wars, higher wages, better salaries and good pensions due to unions coming back to life, free quality child care, no worrying about what to do for elderly parents who can't live alone anymore. And...the people in Scandinavia are very happy with the way things are in their country. They wouldn't want a system like ours if you paid them. You don't see a hell of a lot of people from there moving to this country.

No matter how bad those on the right try to make it seem the middle class will still have more in income than they have now and once again be able to live the way they did way back when.

Oh and as for Social Security not being Socialism, that was exactly the way it was advertised as by the GOP in FDR's days, as was Medicare in LBJ's days. There are video's all over you can see for yourself of Saint Reagan calling it just that in the 1960s, Using the dreaded Socialism word to put fear into the hearts' of everyone when it turned out that these "Socialist" programs are dear to everyone who is on them and they would never wanted them taken away.

BTW, most people get more out of SS than they ever put in, unless they die young.

R268 Reagan changed his tune about SS in the 80's.

Sure, when he had to in order to get the old vote. That doesn't take away the fact that if he and the Republicans had their way there never would have been Medicare and if the Republicans in FDR's day had their way there never would have been Social Security. Thankfully most Americans back then were smart enough not to let the boogy (sp?)man Socialist word cloud their good judgment.

Half of Scandinavia aren’t Trumpers.

The only way a system like that works is if everyone agrees it’s better for society as a whole and everyone buys in. That’s never happening here. Especially not while Trump is still alive. And now Trump is talking about running Ivanka for President, which Deplorables will probably enthusiastically support. Half the country is in a cult. Scandinavia isn’t dealing with that.

The main problem with Bernie’s idea of socialism is it has to be imposed against the majority’s will, and how do you do that in a republic? You can’t. Republicans will never sign on. That’s half the country. A significant portion of Democrats won’t either, so there’s no way to pass it. Even if Bernie got elected, he wouldn’t be king. Congress is representing individual states and Congress members have to get re-elected. Red states = no. Purple states = no. Blue states = not all of them are going for it either. They’re just not. And Reps are not going against their state.

I don’t like the way Bernie proposes things that won’t be approved by the majority, but claims he can force it through anyway. Like Trump does. Replacing a dictator with a guy whose main campaign promise is I’m going to be a dictator too, when he can’t do it, is a huge turnoff for anybody that hates Trumpism. It doesn’t look any better from the Democrats than it does coming from the Republicans.

Is the DNC working against Bernie like they did in 2016?

No, R272. Bernie and his supporters are doing it all on their own.

R271 summed reality up to perfection. Not that Sanders supporters will listen. They are not reality based or even reality adjacent.

[quote] Bernie promotes his ideas as being payed for by the upper class but that's a lie

Oh fucking DEER!

That black woman that runs Bernie's campaign is a real bitch!

I thought she was more cray-cray myself.

R271, also, lots of Dem Senators despite Bernie and don't have good things to say about him--just ask Barnie Frank. How does he even expect Democrats to pass his bills? They won't. Definitely not if they want to get reelected.

Pfft! After Bernie is declared President, all we need to do to is get our preferred outcome trending on Twitter, and voila! The bill is passed, R277! Bernie will bring power back to the people, the masses!

You'll see, R277! EVERYONE WILL SEE!

R278 the sad part is that is how many of them think. People on DL have said that congress will meet Bernie halfway on his proposals. These people don't understand how congress--or politics in general--works.

The truly sad thing is that if we all did the right thing it wouldn't be up to Bernie or the Congress or anyone but us. If we fought, took to the streets, called, wrote, emailed and did everything in our power to get this country to be for us, it would happen. The politicians, except for a very few, didn't want to end the war in Vietnam, but the people made it happen, even with someone like Nixon in the WH. You see how scared shit the Republicans are of the voters. Imagine if those voters wanted good and decent things instead of the destruction of this country they do want. Well there are more of us than there are of them and we have the brains, but on our side we're lazy, we come here, we go to Twitter we do nothing that will ever make this world better. I include myself in that, but I'm slowly changing.

If Bernie is the nominee I'm voting for Trump and every Republican on the ticket. Jealous, bitches?

The anti-Bernie deficients are at it again.

Always trying to terrorize people with the word “socialism”, even though the US practices it as we speak (HELLO MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY).

If that doesn’t work, they resort to erasing the identities of millions of women - the majority, really - who support Bernie Sanders by mischaracterizing and labeling them “Bros”.

If that doesn’t work, they can go anywhere from calling Bernie a racist to a Nazi.

Bernie will win. Get that through your dense fucking skull.

I hope so R282. Of course many here will just tie their panties into a knot and stay home or skip voting for president and stomp their way back to their kindergarten class oh so proud of electing Trump for another 4 years.

Newsflash, if Trump wins again there will not be another election. He will be there forever. Look at what he and the Republicans have done when they have something to lose. When they have nothing to lose that will be the end of everything we've ever known about this country.

I hated Hillary more than anyone here hates Bernie and that's a lot but I still fucking voted for her! Grow the fuck up!

R283 Well, we have to TRY and reach out to those that are willing to meet us halfway and listen.

Those that just want attack will get thrashed.

Do you not watch the news? DO you know why Trump is going after Biden? He knows he will lose to him. He hopes and prays every night that its Bernie.(or Warren)

R285 Nah. I think he believes he’s safe from Bernie because he thinks our party won’t “let him” win.

He’s ITCHING for Biden, who can’t keep up with him in terms of rhetoric and does have a shady past and two previously failed presidential campaigns.

Don’t be fooled.

Democratic insiders have no idea how middle America thinks.

I’m sure Trump would love it if it was Warren. He can call her Pocahontas all day long and have campaign ads on Facebook showing her wearing an Indian outfit. That whole Pocahontas thing makes her look like a liar to people that don’t care about her one way or the other, and he can have the fun of bullying her all over a stage. He doesn’t have to talk about issues, he can just call her a liar over and over.

There’s a reason Republicans are pushing Bernie. It’s not because they want Trump to lose. Why would Trumpers want Trump to lose? Think.

R26, that won't happen. People are going to continue to fight within the party for the path forward, but, in the end, the dems will vote for the candidate. Of course, Bernie, who is not a democrat and only uses the label for his own purposes, will continue to run. The nuts will continue to fund him and it's too lucrative for him not to do so.

I think we can count out most Bernie supporters. That’s why it might be better to go more centrist, to people that are not Bernie voters. They will never change their vote for any other candidate, so get the voters that aren’t Bernie voters on our side.

[quote]Democratic insiders have no idea how middle America thinks.

Berniecrat insiders have no idea how middle America thinks.

FIFY!

If Bernie became President, after taking the oath, he'd re-register as an Independent.

It wouldn't surprise me, R292. Since he only became a 'Democrat' (lol) in March 2019 and only so he could leech off of the Democratic party and not have to run as an Independent.

He's already got the mooch vote. And that is like 99% of America

After it came out that Bernie did nothing when he was informed that some of his male staff members were sexually harassing female members to the point it became genuine abuse he lost me and a lot of other people.

Time for Obama to step in and stop Bernie.

[quote]Bernie’s clarity, lucidity and assertiveness is much needed and wanted.

Bernie is the opposite of all those things.

[quote] Bernie is the opposite of all those things.

I said the same thing--he only has those qualities in those sound bytes his fans love. To see how much "clarity" Bernie has, read that Daily News interview from 2016. He has no idea about his own plans and he comes off as an empty-headed suit.

r292 it's what he does every election in Vermont.

[quote]I think we can count out most Bernie supporters. That’s why it might be better to go more centrist, to people that are not Bernie voters.

That's why the ticket needs to be Biden/Klobuchar.

Has Bernie ever explained how much he is going to raise middle class taxes?

[quote]I think Sanders might actually do better than Biden among black voters in a general election

Wrong. Sanders has almost zero black support.

[quote]Bernie’s weak on foreign policy, in 2016 he did an interview that showed he was frighteningly incompetent.

This is one of many reasons why Sanders cannot be President. His entire foreign policy is "no more wars, ever." That's great, until North Korea decides to nuke Hawaii, or Iran decides to blow some things up. Will Sanders just shrug and say "oh well"?

R303, no, he would say "they blew things up? That's a good thing!". That was his response to the USSR having breadlines. And he would add "America bullied them!".

R126, In hindsight, I think Obama and the DNC severely miscalculated when they passed over Joe for Hillary in what they, and we, figured would be a shoo-in not only for a victory, but for history.

And now, even for this momentous election to rid our body politic of a cancer undreamt of in John Dean's philosophy, Obama yet shuns his own Vice-President as a worthy successor, murmuring words of potential support not to Biden but, in these days of treason and Putin's corrosive purchasing of our politicians, instead to a 78-year-old recent heart-attack sufferer; a crotchety unrepentant Russophile who refuses to vote for even the slightest sanction on Russia; a man whose wife literally bankrupted a college; a candidate who obdurately remains not a member of the Party whose nomination he desires; a politician without portfolio but with a plethora of promises: Bernie Sanders.

We OK, Boomers aren't dead yet. We vote, and we don't want Bernie. Because we don't want Trump.

Bernie looks like he sleeps in his suit upside down.

R259 "And yet, even if Senator Sanders were promising what you claim and fear, it is LAUGHABLE to think he would be able to do so. "

Of course it's laughable! You're preachin' to the choir.

Tell that to the Bernie Bros. The reason they're supporting him is because of these 'laughable' policies he advocates...

CNN: Bernie has surged to the top of the Democratic presidential candidate pack.

Sanders - 27%

Biden - 24%

Warren - 14%

Buttigieg - 11%

Bloomberg - 5%

It’s time for the Democratic Party to vet Bernie. Or we’re going to have another chaos agent Russian asset in the White House, only the Democrats are going to be blamed for this one, but this time he’s getting impeached and EVERYONE that helped him is going to jail.

They will call every witness, show every document. The Republicans would love nothing more than revenge, and Bernie is the perfect vehicle for it.

R309 Take your 💊’s.

Those poll numbers are very suspect. Russian trolls are influencing the polls. No way does Bernie have anywhere near that amount of support among actual people in the real world.

I agree. I think those polls are bullshit

Bernie should win.

He will win.

I think so, too.

Fuck nooooo.

R316 Oh, yesssss....

Nope.

Ms. Ball schools the children as David “delicious dick” Doel commentates.

Ms. Ball schools the children as David “delicious dick” Doel commentates.

Bernie is going to win

I’m a Democrat. I will not vote for an Independent Socialist.

GO BERNIE

Fuck Bernie.

R326 I do want Bernie to fuck me, actually...

Bernie's people were caught being sneaky assholes again, it's like his own people are trying to get the orange turnip reelected.

Bernie continues to surge

It’s amazing how far Bernie has come in the last 5 months.

The Iowa caucuses are right around the corner, too!

He’s going to win, bitches.

The establishment is scared.

In a surprise move, MSNBC explains #DemocraticSocialism and details how "hallmarks" of Democratic Socialism are already part of the American ecosystem.

I'll vote for whoever gets the nomination but I'd prefer it be Warren.

If Biden picks Harris, I'd have very little enthusiasm.

Imagine if Bernie picks Harris.

Democratic insiders are correct. Oh, and she picked Biden, dum dum...

MSM is finally saying this, too; but the knives are still out albeit hidden.

....,

Looks like he's got it locked up now.

A gem!

What did we learn from the #TrumpTapes?

✅ Trump is only scared of Bernie Sanders.

✅ Trump wanted Joe Biden to run.

I hope the campaign does an ad with the audio!

Ny times fake newzies

That is an interesting thought, R309. It would leave the Republicans smelling like roses after the country had crucified Bernie. The Russians would be thrilled that their diversionary tactic had been effective. Then the Republicans could resume the march toward fascism and dismantling of the republic.

The pretzels you Dumptards and Neoliberals-hijacking-the-Democratic-Party have to twist EVERYTHING into to make people hate Bernie is beyond pathetic....

It’s DISTURBING.

Faith in the United States returning.....

Better watch out for that right-wing populism that seems to be sweeping across your continent.

Not a single vote has been cast or counted, R349. You'll be disappointed soon enough even if this asshole wins Iowa.

We've got it covered R350. The UK is about to learn that it's not so easy to leave the EU - in one piece, that is.

Actually r345 notwithstanding, Trump has been repeatedly reported as saying from insiders in the White House that he's terrified of a Biden nomination -- when he sees that even Fox polls have him losing to Biden by greater percentages than any other candidate, including in the Swing States.

But yes, by all means, let's hire the mirror image of Trump to run! The guy with legions of online trolls who have attacked every candidate to get in their messiah's way. Harris, then Warren, then Biden. You know, the same guy who was trounced by the woman who lost to Trump? I'm sure it will all be fine. Plus, free stuff!