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"JK Rowling is a TERF" is trending on Twitter - PART 2.

Carry on

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by Anonymousreply 367March 6, 2020 5:43 PM

First thread...

Related Datalounge Thread

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by Anonymousreply 1December 22, 2019 8:25 AM

Let’s begin by saying dehumanising language and incitement to violence against trans people is never acceptable.

Trans people have the right to live as they chose without fear of reprisal.

by Anonymousreply 2December 22, 2019 8:27 AM

Oh honey, straight back at ya

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by Anonymousreply 3December 22, 2019 8:31 AM

Finally. Anti-trans threads are wizard.

by Anonymousreply 4December 22, 2019 8:37 AM

Good job guys! Threads related to trans or Muslims never disappoint!

by Anonymousreply 5December 22, 2019 8:39 AM

There is no comparison between those who stand up to hate and those who promote it.

But a second thread and this just proves you aren’t censored.

by Anonymousreply 6December 22, 2019 8:44 AM

^ No, threads that are about a specific act of violent by a tranny still go very quickly

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by Anonymousreply 7December 22, 2019 8:50 AM

It’s a transgender person, not a tr*nny.

by Anonymousreply 8December 22, 2019 9:01 AM

It is a pedophile agenda meant to attack real women and rape and destroy them. It is 100% evil.

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by Anonymousreply 9December 22, 2019 10:13 AM

The attempts to conflate with gay men, transwomen, and pedophilia are homophobic.

Please stop it.

by Anonymousreply 10December 22, 2019 10:38 AM

The attempts to conflate gay men with transwomen are homophobic.

Please stop it.

by Anonymousreply 11December 22, 2019 10:54 AM

You go girl! Keep fighting the evils of this world.

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by Anonymousreply 12December 22, 2019 11:43 AM

Stop calling men in dresses women. It is sexist.

by Anonymousreply 13December 22, 2019 11:57 AM

Webmaster, please close this thread.

We don't need any more attempts at division.

by Anonymousreply 14December 22, 2019 12:00 PM

Mark Hamill sucks for giving a shit about so-called prejudice against rapey str8 guys trying to force their girlcocks onto women who love women.

by Anonymousreply 15December 22, 2019 12:11 PM

R14 we have established that there is no such tjing in the real world as "LGBT". This alphabet soup as one called it is a construct of the medical industrial complex and funded by a group of gay men and other rich white billionaire men. So girl, there is no need for division when there is nothing to divide. Each letter is a discrete entity with no actual need for the others. It is all a scam to make billions from the trans fake identity.

by Anonymousreply 16December 22, 2019 12:18 PM

R16 fucking typos, sorry grammar nazi cunts.

by Anonymousreply 17December 22, 2019 12:19 PM

[quote]This alphabet soup as one called it is a construct of the medical industrial complex and funded by a group of gay men and other rich white billionaire men.

I'm worried by this attempt to pin hate on gay men. This sounds conspiracy theory bigotry.

At a time when us gay men are under attack we don't need this.

by Anonymousreply 18December 22, 2019 12:27 PM

Mark Hamill is just another str8 male coward like Mario Lopez. We need a new Hollywood blacklist to thin out their ranks.

by Anonymousreply 19December 22, 2019 12:36 PM

This talk of blacklisting is worrying and brings back memories of what gay men endured for decades.

by Anonymousreply 20December 22, 2019 12:37 PM

R12: The conclusion of the article is very true, because this won't affect Rowling at all. It's a storm on a tea cup.

And in my opinion it cause more damage to the trans movement than anything else. They keep attacking people who can be their allies and some of their more prominent figures are loonies and that's exactly what they should avoid.

They are a very very small minority, and yes, they suffer a lot of discimination but if they are going to attack everyone who is not 100% with them they are not going to win anything

by Anonymousreply 21December 22, 2019 12:52 PM

They consider homosexuality a form of discrimination. There is no reasoning with them at this point.

by Anonymousreply 22December 22, 2019 12:54 PM

Normalisation of violence is never right. It's gay men who have the most to lose from this.

Calling transwomen 'it' and suggesting they shouldn't exist is a precursor to violence against them.

by Anonymousreply 23December 22, 2019 1:05 PM

No-one reasonable called trans women “it”, R23. Certainly neither JK Rowling nor Maya Forstater did any such thing. But the activist trans movement relies on wilful misrepresentation of the facts and downright lies in certain cases. I don’t that movement helps real trans people, and I don’t think it wants to. It’s ultimately pushing an agenda that is less pro-LGBT and more anti-woman, and when it wins, or loses, it will pull the rug out on the gay side and claim always to have been straight the entire time. Not all women fall for it.

What these debates — and the results of the recent U.K. election show— is that the prevailing view in online discourse is some degree removed from what the “general public” who vote actually think. Thousands of RTs if you call JKR a “TERF” but most people don’t really think a trans woman is actually indistinguishable from a woman. Oh they may say it, at risk of losing their job (or not having their contract renewed. Or getting rape or death threats on Twitter). But they don’t believe it. Trans activism is not comparable to gay marriage which really didn’t affect anyone else except gay couples. Everyone knows the logical conclusion of trans ideology is that sex doesn’t matter, or exist, and “I am whatever I say I am.” Like I say, this no more helps the average trans person than it helps any of the rest of society but we will have to endure a few more rounds of woke posturing before that viewpoint is finally consigned to the dustbin / trash can by anyone pretending to be sensible and is sent back to Tumblr.

by Anonymousreply 24December 22, 2019 1:44 PM

[quote]No-one reasonable called trans women “it”, [R23].

Germaine Greer did.

by Anonymousreply 25December 22, 2019 1:49 PM

If she did then she's not reasonable, r25. Next!

by Anonymousreply 26December 22, 2019 1:52 PM

And Janice Raymond said transwomen should be mandated out of existence.

Which has chilling undertones, particularly for us gay men.

by Anonymousreply 27December 22, 2019 1:54 PM

[quote] No-one reasonable called trans women “it”,

Hey, I resemble that remark!

by Anonymousreply 28December 22, 2019 1:56 PM

[quote]"On the day that The Female Eunuch was issued in America, a person in flapping draperies rushed up to me and grabbed my hand. 'Thank you so much for all you've done for us girls!' I smirked and nodded and stepped backwards, trying to extricate my hand from the enormous, knuckly, hairy, be-ringed paw that clutched it... Against the bony ribs that could be counted through its flimsy scarf dress swung a polished steel women's liberation emblem. I should have said, 'You're a man. The Female Eunuch has done less than nothing for you. Piss off.' The transvestite [sic] held me in a rapist's grip." - Germaine Greer in The Independent: 'On why sex change is a lie', 22nd July 1989

by Anonymousreply 29December 22, 2019 2:00 PM

I appreciate the valiant job the trans-defender is doing, but neither JK Rowling nor the woman she is defending used the language described. Nor do even most women even who identify as radical feminists like Posie Parker for example. Of course it would be helpful if the trans movement could expressly distance itself from Jonathan Yaniv and Aimee Challenor.

by Anonymousreply 30December 22, 2019 2:04 PM

The goal of course is to conflate a person who says biological sex is real but they have sympathy and would be polite and use pronouns (Maya Forstater as supported by JKR) with people who don’t think trans women should exist at all.

Precisely the level of debate that lost Labour another election and will lose the Dems another one too. You see what I did there, I mixed up online argument with voting, but I’m right about the elections of course.

by Anonymousreply 31December 22, 2019 2:06 PM

Of course, as I said above — the “ultra-transdefenders” online don’t really care about trans people, or poor people, or even working class people, or they would try and adopt positions that could be supported, on a number of issues, and take these to their political parties. They are deliberately trying to stir up debate and have pulled in a few actual trans and gay people onto their side. Like I say, those people will be ditched once it becomes clear whether or not erasing sex-based rights has been successful in the West. The U.K. is TERF central right now because it’s somewhere between Canada and the US politically and doesn’t really want to be either of them.

by Anonymousreply 32December 22, 2019 2:10 PM

In some ways I think Maya and JK are worse because they're on the side of a legal theory that says the human dignity of others doesn't matter.

If the ruling had gone the other way it would've opened the door to it being okay to start calling us f*gs and other slurs.

Maya is simply rude -- most women are.

It still seems like nobody wants to answer the question: do you oppose that decision knowing what the consequences for gay men.

No group is more under attack than us right now. Violence against gay men is escalating and JK, Maya, and everyone else who's made a career against hating transwomen is silent about it.

by Anonymousreply 33December 22, 2019 2:11 PM

R33, stop liking your own posts right after you post them, at least make it subtle.

I see your attempt at a reasonableness stance undercut by calling all women rude. You do not give a crap about any trans women at all, I will wager.

by Anonymousreply 34December 22, 2019 2:13 PM

What the trans defender’s posts perfectly illustrate is that at its core, removed from real trans people’s lives, radical trans activism is an anti-women movement, not a pro-trans (or LGBTQ, or gender expression, or gender non-conformity) movement.

Every post contains as its key hallmark an attack on women, not sympathy for the trans experience.

It’s possible that the poster is some kind of double or triple agent inserted precisely to demonstrate that point.

by Anonymousreply 35December 22, 2019 2:17 PM

The case was about 'protected beliefs' not trans rights.

And, as a gay man, whenever I hear that term I can't help but think of all the people who want to deny services to us because our very existence goes against their beliefs.

It's important to say this now: We as gay men will not stand by and allow our hard-won rights to be eroded by ciswomen who dislike transwomen.

We need to take up arms against them.

by Anonymousreply 36December 22, 2019 2:17 PM

Oh R33/ R36, but for the final line you might have even reeled a few people in! I think you nearly had me. Better luck next thread.

by Anonymousreply 37December 22, 2019 2:19 PM

You take yourself too seriously r36. Go out, have fun, suck dick. Life is too short for that attitude.

by Anonymousreply 38December 22, 2019 2:20 PM

We all need to go out, have fun, and suck dick -- all of us should have do that.

But we as gay men but also be on-guard against the rising homophobia that transphobia allows cover for.

by Anonymousreply 39December 22, 2019 2:24 PM

This dude gives his opinion and unlike most people's reaction of twitter, it's balanced. Sadly Rowling has a confirmed history of liking transphobic remarks and anti-trans activists on Twitter.

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by Anonymousreply 40December 22, 2019 2:40 PM

I'm surprised at the number of trans people who agree with Rowling that gender and sex should be considered separately.

by Anonymousreply 41December 22, 2019 3:20 PM

Refreshing to listen to a sane trans woman.

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by Anonymousreply 42December 22, 2019 3:24 PM

Bebe Neuwirth did the same as Mark Hamill. Liked Rowling's tweet and later apologised.

by Anonymousreply 43December 22, 2019 3:26 PM

Rowling's tweet and Ricky Gervais' response to #WaxMyBalls brought to the general public the negative results conflating of gender and sex. It is, slightly, making people hear.

by Anonymousreply 44December 22, 2019 3:34 PM

I can't think why a business offering waxing services should refuse someone with balls.

Someone who sees thousands of gashes for a living is hardly a delicate flower.

I do wish everyone who disagreed though would explain what they feel the difference is between that refusing to marry a gay couple.

This is what worries me: the stealth homophobia in the anti-trans movement. Whenever anyone points out homophobia from some anti-trans activists it's immediately dismissed.

No group is more vulnerable than gay men right now and we need people to center us right now.

by Anonymousreply 45December 22, 2019 3:48 PM

Trollololooolllolol R45.

I do hope you will have a day off for Christmas, Yule, Hanukkah or your religious or non-religious celebration of choice.

by Anonymousreply 46December 22, 2019 3:49 PM

R45, the skin of the scrotum is thin and delicate and waxing it requires specialised training in order to avoid burns and tearing.

The hair that is removed during a bikini wax grows on the vulva, not inside the vagina. The skin of which is just regular skin like on the abdomen.

by Anonymousreply 47December 22, 2019 4:08 PM

[quote][R45], the skin of the scrotum is thin and delicate and waxing it requires specialised training in order to avoid burns and tearing.

That should be required training for everyone then.

by Anonymousreply 48December 22, 2019 4:10 PM

R40 they are not "transphobic" remarks.

It's total bullshit to claim anything that disagrees with certain aspects of what Trans Activists are saying and doing as "transphobic" and it renders any nuance moot, which is apparently the intent.

Trans "scholars" love to pick and choose scientific-sounding terms to reinforce their beliefs, but they are not logic, not science, and therefore bullshit.

"Transphobic" isn't even a real word. It's the new "antisemite".

by Anonymousreply 49December 22, 2019 4:41 PM

R48 it is. Just not people who are doing female Bikini waxes. Because they are doing them on females, not males. Claiming you are a female does not make you one, regardless of the strength of one's denial of reality.

by Anonymousreply 50December 22, 2019 4:42 PM

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by Anonymousreply 51December 22, 2019 4:59 PM

How did we get here? Read this. Also, consider the global financial and legal power behind this top down movement.

Tactic 1:

Among those techniques: ‘Get ahead of the Government agenda.’

What does that mean? Here it is in more detail:

‘In many of the NGO advocacy campaigns that we studied, there were clear benefits where NGOs managed to get ahead of the government and publish progressive legislative proposal before the government had time to develop their own. NGOs need to intervene early in the legislative process and ideally before it has even started. This will give them far greater ability to shape the government agenda and the ultimate proposal than if they intervene after the government has already started to develop its own proposals.’

That will sound familiar to anyone who knows how a Commons select committee report in 2016, which adopted several positions from trans groups, was followed in 2017 by a UK government plan to adopt self-identification of legal gender. To a lot of people, that proposal, which emerged from Whitehall looking quite well-developed, came out of the blue.

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by Anonymousreply 52December 22, 2019 5:28 PM

Tactic 2:

Anyway, here’s another tip from the document: ‘Tie your campaign to more popular reform.’

For example:

‘In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for.’

I’ve added my bold there, because I think those are very telling phrases indeed. This is an issue that is ‘difficult to win public support for’ and best hidden behind the ‘veil of protection’ provided by a popular issue such as gay rights. Again, anyone who has even glanced at the UK transgender debate will recognise this description.

by Anonymousreply 53December 22, 2019 5:28 PM

Sigh.

by Anonymousreply 54December 22, 2019 5:29 PM

Tactic 3:

Another recommendation is even more revealing: ‘Avoid excessive press coverage and exposure.’

According to the report, the countries that have moved most quickly to advance trans rights and remove parental consent have been those where the groups lobbying for those changes have succeeded in stopping the wider public learning about their proposals. Conversely, in places like Britain, the more ‘exposure’ this agenda has had, the less successful the lobbying has been:

‘Another technique which has been used to great effect is the limitation of press coverage and exposure. In certain countries, like the UK, information on legal gender recognition reforms has been misinterpreted in the mainstream media, and opposition has arisen as a result. ….Against this background, many believe that public campaigning has been detrimental to progress, as much of the general public is not well informed about trans issues, and therefore misinterpretation can arise.

In Ireland, activists have directly lobbied individual politicians and tried to keep press coverage to a minimum in order to avoid this issue.’ (Emphasis added).

by Anonymousreply 55December 22, 2019 5:29 PM

When even The Guardian is tapping the brakes

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by Anonymousreply 56December 22, 2019 5:36 PM

Does anyone have a link to the LGBAlliance crowdfunder?

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by Anonymousreply 58December 22, 2019 5:43 PM

"I can't think why a business offering waxing services should refuse someone with balls."

Any woman should be able to say "no" to touching a man's genitals at any time, anywhere, for any reason. Period. Deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 59December 22, 2019 5:45 PM

I'm reading this with apparently the most vociferous trans-defenders like r36 blocked, and most of you who are posting to engage with them clearly seem to be arguing with crazy people. Why not just ignore them? Don't feed the trolls.

by Anonymousreply 60December 22, 2019 5:50 PM

^ Cause if R36 is blocked, most of the thread disappears and is all gay men agreeing the transies are......... fucking nuts

by Anonymousreply 61December 22, 2019 5:58 PM

Any man should be able to say "no" to hiring a woman at any time, anywhere, for any reason. Period. Deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 62December 22, 2019 5:59 PM

Ha just trolldared R36 Oh DEAR, they have only commented on the JK Rowling threads, and it is all white noise stupidity

by Anonymousreply 63December 22, 2019 6:00 PM

Related:

"Trans woman Debbie Hayton faces ban for transphobia"

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by Anonymousreply 64December 22, 2019 6:04 PM

I am a gay man.

I identify with other gay men, not with dykes, feminists, alphabet soup, or 'queer'.

by Anonymousreply 65December 22, 2019 6:09 PM

R64 I like transexuals, who HAVE been around for decades. They know they are not women, never claimed to be and just get on with it. Wish more of them would speak out against this bunch of lying appropriators

by Anonymousreply 66December 22, 2019 6:11 PM

Text of R64

"A transgender woman has been accused of transphobia for wearing a T-shirt saying she is really still a man.

Debbie Hayton, 51, a physics teacher in the Midlands, who transitioned from male to female in 2012, is facing expulsion from the LGBT committee of the Trades Union Congress (TUC) for the slogan: “Trans women are men. Get over it!”

Hayton wore the T-shirt at an event organised by Fair Play for Women, a campaign group, in July. She has undergone surgery and hormone treatment and has changed her name, but has not sought a gender recognition certificate.

If she is forced out, it would mean that even people who have struggled with gender identity and undergone reassignment surgery can be accused of transphobia for declaring a belief that an individual cannot change their birth sex.

Nicola Williams, founder of Fair Play for Women, said: “Accusations of transphobia are thrown at women so often for so little that the word has lost all meaning. When even trans people can get called transphobes, I hope people now understand how ludicrous and far-fetched these attacks have always been. The trans movement has been hijacked by gender extremists.”

The case will fuel the anger of feminists, already upset by an employment tribunal ruling last week against a woman who said sex was a biological fact and it was impossible to change it. The judge in that case said Maya Forstater, who lost her job at a think tank, the Centre for Global Development, was “absolutist in her view of sex . . . she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile degrading humiliating or offensive environment”. She is expected to appeal.

JK Rowling, the Harry Potter author, defended Forstater, saying: “Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?”

In the Hayton case, 12 members of the LGBT committee sent a complaint in August to Frances O’Grady, general secretary of the TUC, a federation of unions representing 5.5m working Britons.

Nine of them, led by Maria Exall, civil partner of Angela Eagle MP, said that by wearing the T-shirt Hayton had “gone beyond discourse, and the expression of alternative viewpoints, and is now propagating hate speech against the trans community”.

They also criticised an article for the Morning Star in which Hayton wrote: “Trans women are biologically male — in fact being male is the sole qualifying criterion to be a trans woman.”

Three trans members of the committee complained that she had moved “into hate speech” as the T-shirt “denies non-binary identities and asserts the binary view of the world where male is synonymous with man and female is inextricably linked to womanhood”. One trans member, Rachel Harper, made the dispute public with a post on Twitter, swiftly deleted, urging Hayton to resign.

Professor Robin Lovell-Badge, head of the laboratory of stem cell biology and developmental genetics at the Francis Crick Institute, who discovered the gene that determines sex in mammals, said: “In the UK, I think most [people] would use ‘sex’ to refer to anatomical appearance and ‘gender’ to ways of behaviour.”

To a scientist, he said, anatomy could appear male, female or somewhere in between, but a man who transitioned could be said to change sex.

Hayton’s union, the NASUWT, Hayton and the TUC declined to comment."

by Anonymousreply 67December 22, 2019 6:17 PM

She's made a nice career and gotten a lot of attention as the go-to Anti-Trans-Transwoman (a la Milo and others for Trump).

Proof that transwomen even do transphobia more compellingly than ciswomen!

Is there anything they don't surpass them at?

by Anonymousreply 68December 22, 2019 6:23 PM

Okay, fish, I'm going to bed.

Try to exhaust yourself with homophobia until tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 69December 22, 2019 6:25 PM

Are we sure the hormones aren’t making them nuts?

by Anonymousreply 70December 22, 2019 6:33 PM

R70 There is zero long term research into the effects of opposite sex hormones on their bodies. None. So we do not know.

Oh, and also zero long term research into the effects of 'puberty blockers' on pubescent bodies.

by Anonymousreply 71December 22, 2019 7:02 PM

R69 it must be exhausting to be so wrong about everything.

by Anonymousreply 72December 22, 2019 7:24 PM

I wonder about the sexual implications for a child who is on puberty blockers.

As adults, I wonder if they effectively can’t orgasm? Prepuberty, there is a sense of what sexual feelings are, but it’s obviously not the same as being sexually mature.

It’s pretty depressing if that is the case. Hopefully eggs and sperm can be harvested?

by Anonymousreply 73December 22, 2019 7:25 PM

Nope, R73, not without going through puberty.

Lupron is a very scary drug, the use to block puberty is off label and unstudied. When used as intended it was found to decrease IQ by 8+ points.

Puberty is a time of brain development, there is no research on how NOT going through puberty normally impacts brain development. Combine that with drugs that additioally LOWER IQ and with narrowly focused interests and thus a lack of developmetally appropriate experiences and learning opportunities...the cascading impact on individual futures and on society is immense.

A shocking number of the kids have diagnoses of mental illness and ASD, many of the adult AGP are autistic as well. Thus the IT stereotype.

by Anonymousreply 74December 22, 2019 8:06 PM

The free speech lovers are busy F&Fing anyone who disagrees with them again...

by Anonymousreply 75December 22, 2019 8:32 PM

"Nothing says woman quite like using the phrase "suck my dick" Stunning and brave. #transcult #JKRowling"

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by Anonymousreply 76December 22, 2019 9:23 PM

Wait, so woman now is defined by acting ladylike again?

by Anonymousreply 77December 22, 2019 9:24 PM

Nope, R77, it is and always has been XX as the definition.

There is some new fuckery afoot in Liverpool. A hospital for women has changed the loos so the mens is still the mens but the womens is now all comers. WTAF? Who wants grandma or your niece crossing paths with Yaniv types, never mind in a HOSPITAL for women?!

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by Anonymousreply 78December 22, 2019 9:28 PM

tsallariddle @itsallariddle Replying to @LiverpoolReSis1 and @LiverpoolWomens The men who wouldn't dream of using the womens toilets will be in the mens, the men who like the idea of using the women's toilets will be in the women's. They're distilling the very type of man that segregated toilets were trying to keep out, directly into the women's toilets. 12:47 PM · Dec 22, 2019·Twitter Web App

Is the goal to drive women in the West toward Sharia as a survival/safety mechanism? Problem/reaction/solution?

by Anonymousreply 79December 22, 2019 9:30 PM

Gender and sex are historically mostly interchangeable in regard to M and F distinction.

Women is partly biological but mostly social markers.

Man is the opposite way around.

by Anonymousreply 80December 22, 2019 9:44 PM

R79 the billionaire white men pushing the trans agenda want to cancel all real women. These fuckers want to destroy real women and bomb them back to the stone age. It is truly horrifying. Like allowing men like Venus and Serena Williams into sports. Those are not females. They are roided up fucking monsters.

by Anonymousreply 81December 22, 2019 9:46 PM

^ And you started off so well....

by Anonymousreply 82December 22, 2019 9:53 PM

Please fuck off with the racist nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 83December 22, 2019 9:53 PM

R80 males and females behavior is 100% determined by biology. That is very obvious with the polar opposite way gay men and lesbians behave. Pretty well all gay men I know have always been single. I have just one ex gay friend who found himself a rich Chinese twink and they have been together for 16 years. Gay men are not hugely into pairing up and going to Ikea every weekend. The odd ones are of course. Lesbians pretty much always mate for life. They are rarely single for long and are always looking for someone better. Lesbians are never natural sluts or whores like gay men. That is why they weren't dying by the thousands like slutty irresponsible gay men when aids struck hard.

by Anonymousreply 84December 22, 2019 9:57 PM

And the mask on the homophobia is off again!

F&F R84

by Anonymousreply 85December 22, 2019 9:59 PM

R84 you need to:

1) Get out more and meet actual gay people

2) Learn history

3) Get your head out of your ass

by Anonymousreply 86December 22, 2019 10:00 PM

R83 fuck off with your PC nonsense. On DL we attack everyone equally. Being black does not exempt you from being ripped a new one. That ugly black bitch from SNL is also a fucking monster. Can't think of its name right now. Leslie Stahl maybe.

by Anonymousreply 87December 22, 2019 10:02 PM

SJWs can kiss my black ass.

by Anonymousreply 88December 22, 2019 10:04 PM

R87 I was talking about the "old white billionaires" comment, genius.

by Anonymousreply 89December 22, 2019 10:06 PM

Since T complain they have a hard time finding employment outside of sex work or OT, this should help...

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by Anonymousreply 90December 22, 2019 10:08 PM
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by Anonymousreply 91December 22, 2019 10:24 PM

IT...

by Anonymousreply 92December 22, 2019 10:31 PM

TERFs can be menz too. Piers Morgan talks like them. So pathetic.

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by Anonymousreply 93December 22, 2019 10:33 PM
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by Anonymousreply 94December 22, 2019 10:37 PM

R92 why would anyone hire trans? The non-passable ones, I mean, who insist on pronouns etc. You just KNOW they're going to be trouble.

I'm sure Google is regretting it now.

by Anonymousreply 95December 22, 2019 10:42 PM

Here is what people like the one who wrote the article at R91 do to those who are trying to HELP women and trans people who want to escape prostitution. They would rather let these impoverished people wallow in squalor so that they can keep romanticizing their oppression.

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by Anonymousreply 96December 22, 2019 10:43 PM

This isn’t an agenda, or a conspiracy against anyone.

This is called body dysmorphic disorder, and it’s a condition that can be highly resistant to treatment.

Some are are born with genuine chromosomal anomalies, and are one sex inside, while presenting as the opposite sex outwardly. Parents with kids born with XX YY chromosomal anomalies, oftentimes find themselves pressured to choose a sex for their child, in order for the child to (hopefully) experience a socialization to other kids, that is as close to normal, as possible.

Children should NOT be forced or coerced via suggestions and encouragements, which push them into following what for them, could be an interest in a passing trend. But if grownups who are 18 and over pursue this, it really isn’t any of our business.

Why are you guys so freaked out about this??? How does this affect gay men, more than it affects women? The trans-activists who are going after women, are a very small group, within what is already, a very small group.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves. The shit you’re spewing on this thread is almost EXACTLY the same shit people said about gays and lesbians back in the day, and STILL do. How dare you dehumanize people because of something that has NOTHING to do with you?

These people aren’t going anywhere. So either STFU and learn some tolerance and civility, or go and learn about the meaning of true human dignity, by flying out to a country that has laws against homosexuality, and announce that you’re out, you’re gay, and it’s OK!

See what happens to you then, cunts.

by Anonymousreply 97December 22, 2019 10:54 PM

[quote]How dare you dehumanize people because of something that has NOTHING to do with you?

I'm confused. Then what's the "T" in "LGBT" for?

by Anonymousreply 98December 22, 2019 10:56 PM

What was that about the house of the master and some tools?

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by Anonymousreply 99December 22, 2019 10:56 PM

The lady’s picture at R99 is the perfect depiction & epitome of someone who’s happy and shared a good laugh with people she cares for, and who care for her, daily. Is it not???

Look at how radiant she looks! Being a biological woman with a vagina is what makes her so much happier than most, with that je no se qui, oui?

by Anonymousreply 100December 22, 2019 11:21 PM

Interesting thread:

Quinn @ContrarianQuinn Profile picture a day ago, 7 tweets, 4 min read I am a trans woman. I was born with a vagina. Yes we exist. We are an even more vulnerable minority within a minority. We face all the same things as other trans women except many of us also menstruate and are vulnerable to pregnancy /1

#translivesmatter We are at even greater risk of sexual and domestic violence than other trans women, but also we are trafficked, sold into marriage as children, and have our genitals mutilated in huge numbers globally /2

#translivesmatter #TransRightsAreHumanRights We are subject to medical gatekeeping which prevents us from receiving gender affirming surgery, medical science has left us in the dust and surgeons refuse to give us neovaginas simply because we have vaginas.

#trans #translivesmatter And the worst part is that bioessentialism excludes us even from the trans rights movement just because of the genitals we were born with. They say trans women born with vaginas aren't valid and insist on defining us by our genitals. /4

#translivesmatter #MayaForstater But the #MayaForstater case has established that the belief that sex is observable is a philosophical belief no worthy of respect in a democratic society and the time has come for the trans community to get with the times and accept trans women born with vaginas #translivesmatter Trans women born with vaginas are and always have been trans women, regardless of the assumptions a bioessentialist white supremacist cisheteropatriarchal society makes about us based on our bodies.

#translivesmatter #WomenAreTransWomen We face an insidious form of transphobia known as transsexism. These are the norms which privilege trans people who's bodies meet bioessentialist expectations about what it is to be trans over those who don't (eg. trans women born with penises over trans women born with vaginas)

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by Anonymousreply 101December 22, 2019 11:24 PM

r97 you're full of shit. They may be a "small minority" (they aren't part of the GLB minority, sorry) but they are bullying everyone into this self-identification gender and then carrying it forward into the logical steps of invading women's spaces by men. There is a REASON we have laws about same-sex bathrooms, and it's because men do and have preyed on women.

Take a look earlier in the thread (or in the last thread) about the statistics for sexual assault by MTF trans in womens' prisons in the UK. They are quadruple what they are in single-sex prisons. A lot of the MTF trans have sexual fetishes around women and it's the natural evolution of self-identification that the barriers of same-sex spaces (erected for very good reasons) will be broken down, and men will be free to enter womens' bathrooms and perv on them.

Additionally, it's more acceptable in a lot of cultures for children to be trans than it is for children to be gay. So kiss goodbye Lesbians and Gay children, because if you act femme you're probably going to get people suggesting you are trans. It's actually part of the training materials in the UK that you are not to say "perhaps you're just gay!" because that's considered "transphobic".

There's wokeness and then there's denial of reality. Women cannot become men and vice versa, and denying that reality is not going to make anyone's body dysphoria go away. Also r97, if you mention what you just said on Twitter, you will get MANY people transplaining to you that body dysphoria is only cured by going through reassignment surgery and/or being put on opposite-sex hormones, which is NOT true. And it's child abuse to be giving puberty-blockers to children, full stop. It should not ever have been allowed and the fact that it's considered acceptable in today's society shows that there is a much bigger issue at play here.

Trans Activists can fuck right off.

by Anonymousreply 102December 22, 2019 11:36 PM

AM Rourk 🕸️ 🏁 @amrourk · 21h A follow just posted on my timeline "If you're a TERF, you're a homophobe, period." That's going to come as a shock to all of the lesbians and gay men I follow.

by Anonymousreply 103December 22, 2019 11:59 PM

I honestly think I hate the idea of “re-education” culture more than cancel culture. The idea that JK Rowling or anyone else just needs to be taught to think right seems very facist.

by Anonymousreply 104December 23, 2019 12:00 AM

Cancelling is just a tool in re-education, no?

A lot of this is very similar to tactics in N. Korea or China. It is just branded and sold differently.

by Anonymousreply 105December 23, 2019 12:42 AM

Sue Veneer🕸 @sueveneer · 9h "Suck my d*ck" is the rallying cry of the stupid, dull and unimaginative basement dwellers whose sole functions in life seem to be to hold up the porn industry and be foot soldiers for the patriarchy. Pond life

by Anonymousreply 106December 23, 2019 12:42 AM

Many of the emails telling Rowling to suck their girldicks are being deleted so the accounts will not be suspended.

Remember the aggressiveness of the response and talk of things like raping women to death.

These are the people hiding behind goodwill for US. It is imperative that more orgs like LGB Alliace are created so that the general public will not blindly fall for the T trying to lump us all together.

Even calling it drag queen story hour for preschoolers - people think effeminate, harmless gay men. Not sex offenders in lipstick and a beard there to groom and strike up relationships with children. That libraries do not screen for sex offenders, shows, as someone said above, a larger agenda at play.

by Anonymousreply 107December 23, 2019 12:46 AM

R84 Pretending you have friends, bless.

by Anonymousreply 108December 23, 2019 12:51 AM

R97 Oh FUCK, I love it when shit stains come onto DL with their total shit and think that...

1. We don't know our shit.

2. They we will buy their total shit.

Thanks for the giggles, you total failure

by Anonymousreply 109December 23, 2019 12:58 AM

R101 That is a parody account

by Anonymousreply 110December 23, 2019 12:59 AM

Rowling is cool as fuck. At heart, most people think the trans are entitled science projects.

by Anonymousreply 111December 23, 2019 1:01 AM

Photo of the year

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by Anonymousreply 112December 23, 2019 1:29 AM

I cannot get my head around all the people who think "but clownfish can change sex" is relevant to the trans debate. No one is saying that Nemo shouldn't be allowed to compete in the women's category of the Underwater Olympics or whatever. We're talking about humans. Humans are not clownfish. Clownfish also have gills, but that doesn't mean humans do.

by Anonymousreply 113December 23, 2019 1:34 AM

r110 yes, I posted it because it was funny. I wonder what would happen if a woman identified as a transwoman? Would trans activists' heads explode?

by Anonymousreply 114December 23, 2019 1:39 AM

R114, we could just use their argument: "Why are you so obsessed with what's in other people's pants??? It's like literally none of your business and really creepy!!!"

by Anonymousreply 115December 23, 2019 1:44 AM

R101 Love it, beat them at their own game.

by Anonymousreply 116December 23, 2019 1:55 AM

This thread sets out a lot of the goals of the govt re: gender recognition but specifies that they do not want to extend rights to LGB. Also shows awareness of the many safety issues that would impact women, the affects on sport, etc. Chilling.

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by Anonymousreply 117December 23, 2019 1:57 AM

[quote]Does anyone have a link to the LGBAlliance crowdfunder?

Here you go:

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by Anonymousreply 118December 23, 2019 2:07 AM

Was this discussed?

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by Anonymousreply 119December 23, 2019 2:15 AM

It's because they got bullied by the trans mob. They are like a gang of brownshirts.

by Anonymousreply 120December 23, 2019 2:47 AM

Free speech is transphobic.

Well I'm pretty sure everything is.

by Anonymousreply 121December 23, 2019 3:08 AM

R120, or 'struggle sessions' administered by misogynists in drag.

by Anonymousreply 122December 23, 2019 4:20 AM

[quote]Even calling it drag queen story hour for preschoolers - people think effeminate, harmless gay men. Not sex offenders in lipstick and a beard there to groom and strike up relationships with children. That libraries do not screen for sex offenders, shows, as someone said above, a larger agenda at play.

That's libelous.

Drag queen story hours are done by drag queens, not transwomen.

Drag is the beauty of the gay rights struggle personified.

by Anonymousreply 123December 23, 2019 5:39 AM

Doubtful anyone can tell difference between a drag queen or a tranny.

by Anonymousreply 124December 23, 2019 7:16 AM

Drags queens are inspirational gender non-conformers.

They are beautiful in the face of oppression.

by Anonymousreply 125December 23, 2019 7:26 AM

R78 that’s crazy. Surely the trans women would prefer a urinal.

by Anonymousreply 126December 23, 2019 8:35 AM

Drag Queens are drug fucked, abusive, funny, slutty slags. The good ones are fun sexual explosive stream of consciousness experiences. They have nothing to do with the world children should live in. WTF would you want children to be around drag queens, idiots.

by Anonymousreply 127December 23, 2019 9:21 AM

I see TERF as a compliment.

by Anonymousreply 128December 23, 2019 9:44 AM

Really not even trying to hide the homophobia anymore, huh, R127.

That is rad fem.

by Anonymousreply 129December 23, 2019 10:34 AM

JKR looks trannylicious

by Anonymousreply 130December 23, 2019 11:46 AM

Calling so-called T*RFs homophobes is a way of saying gays need to transition. This is ex-gay therapy, and hearing people called bigots for opposing bigotry is sickening beyond belief.

This is why I despise heterosexuality: it is to blame for this cult-like insistence that men and women conform to oppressive stereotypes that were outdated 50 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 131December 23, 2019 11:50 AM

R127 you've veered off topic

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by Anonymousreply 132December 23, 2019 11:51 AM

They're not going to the trouble of pretending to be gays or pro-gay anymore R129. It's taken something like four years but I think that thread where they all got too comfortable and reassured each other they were straight ladies, forgetting that the rest of us could see what they posted, finally made them stop pretending.

by Anonymousreply 133December 23, 2019 11:54 AM

[quote]You should all be ashamed of yourselves. The shit you’re spewing on this thread is almost EXACTLY the same shit people said about gays and lesbians back in the day, and STILL do.

If you read what they wrote on Twitter and Reddit and Mumsnet you'd see that they're saying the same things about LG and B that they are about T, they just mostly kept it to themselves here until recently.

by Anonymousreply 134December 23, 2019 11:58 AM

T*RF is a slur, tr*ns is a choice, and heterosexuality is one of the causes of war, imperialism, and climate change.

by Anonymousreply 135December 23, 2019 12:02 PM

SICK of the trans asserting their rights. Some of the most arrogant, selfish people on the planet.

by Anonymousreply 136December 23, 2019 12:49 PM

Enough with those hapless, old biddie terfs. The Smurfs are more enlightening than that mess.

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by Anonymousreply 138December 23, 2019 12:52 PM

[quote] They're not going to the trouble of pretending to be gays or pro-gay anymore [R129]. It's taken something like four years but I think that thread where they all got too comfortable and reassured each other they were straight ladies, forgetting that the rest of us could see what they posted, finally made them stop pretending.

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 139December 23, 2019 12:58 PM

R139 you mean a single poster has convinced you of this? 🙄

Also the other Division Troll with the "heterosexuals are evil" nonsense can fuck right off, too.

No one cares about Drag Queens. This thread is about what JK said and the resulting shakeup of The Hive.

by Anonymousreply 140December 23, 2019 5:31 PM

I care deeply about drag queens. They were at the forefront of the gay rights movement.

by Anonymousreply 141December 23, 2019 5:33 PM

Heterosexuals are evil.

by Anonymousreply 142December 23, 2019 5:34 PM

This is like a whole new wave of Lysenkoism.

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by Anonymousreply 143December 23, 2019 6:20 PM

Maya's case is not just the opposite of the cases we gay men took to defend out rights -- like we have the right equal services.

She was actually demanding her contract be renewed -- as in someone MUST purchase services from her -- despite the fact she'd made someone who worked there uncomfortable by deliberately misgendering repeatedly even after being told not to.

Then she proceed to mount the exact same defense that Xtian bakers and hotel owners in the UK have used. That their beliefs trump the Equality Act.

It shows how much gay men have been shamed into self-loathing by women that they would defend that. Rad fem will be coming for gay male adoptees, gay male surrogates, and gay male organisations next.

by Anonymousreply 144December 23, 2019 6:28 PM

R141 we ALL were at the forefront of the gay rights movement.

And when you say you "care deeply" it just comes off as totally disengenuous. We know you are a Division Troll.

by Anonymousreply 145December 23, 2019 6:46 PM

R144 under UK law, not renewing someone's contract can be the same as being fired. You're using the semantics argument applied by trans activists in the US who aren't used to having contracts because most employment is "at will".

And please fuck off with the "DELIBERATELY MISGENDERING" nonsense. He's clearly a man. Just because someone decides that everyone around them has to cater to their whim does not mean that it is right. It's a power play and a way to make narcissists feel "special".

Whatever nonsense you are whining about Radical Feminists - we know, you are trying to stir up division between Lesbians and gay men in an attempt to defend the gender self-identifcation nonsense (and other trans nonsense). It's very obvious and you seem to think you're being so, so clever with your wordplay, but you're just a wannabe manipulative tool.

by Anonymousreply 146December 23, 2019 6:53 PM

R112

What a cunt. This is misogyny 101. Trans are doing the work of the alt-right.

[quote] Decaudin successfully got the NY State Democratic Party to dismantle the “one male, one female” rule from Democratic State Committees—A rule which the women’s suffrage movement fought to put into place. The rule guaranteed females an equal seat at the Democratic table.

[quote]Where the rules once read “his or her,” it now reads, “they,” “them,” or “theirs.” Where the rules once read as “one male and one female,” or, “are of the opposite gender,” it now reads as various version of two people who “do not identify as the same gender, unless they both identity as a non-binary gender.”.

by Anonymousreply 147December 23, 2019 6:56 PM

[quote][R141] we ALL were at the forefront of the gay rights movement.

No. Unapologetic, effeminate gay men were at the forefront of the movement.

by Anonymousreply 148December 23, 2019 7:00 PM

R148 not all of them were queens, dear. And you can drop the act, we know you're not a gay male.

by Anonymousreply 149December 23, 2019 7:04 PM

Is only about rights

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by Anonymousreply 150December 23, 2019 7:08 PM

She sounds totalitarian -- people made uncomfortable by her bigotry MUST buy her services.

There's just an alarming violent current within rad fem. Transwomen are already under direct physical attack. These threads don't help. There's a lot of proto-violent rhetoric in them.

I worry how long it'll be until we're next.

by Anonymousreply 151December 23, 2019 7:09 PM

Or maybe cisfemale artists just aren't as good as male?

by Anonymousreply 152December 23, 2019 7:09 PM

If you use the term "cis" you are part of the problem.

Transwomen are not under attack. They just are being told "This is too far. No." and people are pushing back against their obscenely aggressive bullying. They're like Veruca Salt whining "But I want it NOW, daddy!"

R151, nice attempt at spin, but you are totally wrong, as usual.

You Division Trolls are tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 153December 23, 2019 7:21 PM

R151 also I assume you know how incredibly hypocritical it is of you to accuse someone of totalitarianism. And as with all your posts, the disengenuousness shines through like a star.

by Anonymousreply 154December 23, 2019 7:22 PM

The only "cis" I choose to recognize!

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by Anonymousreply 155December 23, 2019 7:24 PM

Author of that piece at R150 seems to have a problem with drag queens.

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by Anonymousreply 156December 23, 2019 7:48 PM

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by Anonymousreply 157December 23, 2019 7:49 PM

R156 looking for an ad hominem attack, I see

by Anonymousreply 158December 23, 2019 7:50 PM

Another anti-drag article from her.

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by Anonymousreply 159December 23, 2019 7:50 PM

Police violence against gay men or just in general?

We will not be erased.

by Anonymousreply 160December 23, 2019 7:51 PM

R159 considering Drag Queens' acts are highly sex-based and raunchy, she probably has a point that they shouldn't be used for childrens' storytimes.

by Anonymousreply 161December 23, 2019 7:51 PM

R160 using the term "erased" is as bad as "cis". Dial the drama back, hun.

by Anonymousreply 162December 23, 2019 7:52 PM

Except, they also think drag shouldn't exist in ANY context.

And devote disproportionate amounts of time to gay men allegedly being 'raunchy', where far and the way the group who are most publicly sexual are ciswomen.

So can you clarify, do you support gay men's right to drag?

by Anonymousreply 163December 23, 2019 7:54 PM

Speaking of being 'erased', here's the post you F&F'd so hard it was erased from the other thread:

"This isn't funny.

I don't need to be clicking onto these threads, but must. I live in a small Maine town where I run an indepedent womyn's hardware store. Business is tough enough without the hatred I receive daily. Just the other day my store was damaged in a Kristallnacht organized and perpetrated by the town's large and hateful majority: Menindressesgendered and those hedonistic, humorless gay men.

I could move, I suppose. But I feel duty-bound to remain as a matyr (albeit one with a great sense of humor and laisser vivre). I will not be erased at a time when gay womyn are having the ends of pencils being rubbed against their bodies. However, I never lose sight of the fact that all-privileged class (gay men) are the enemy. It's those vapid, sex-crazed, M-A-L-E, Garland and Streisand loving queens (and any other stereotypes I can think of) that force me to post here; just as they force me to wear a plaid triangle with a large 'k.d.' stamped in around town.

Sometimes I wish AIDS would become drug resistant."

by Anonymousreply 164December 23, 2019 7:55 PM

R163 I think that people are entitled to their opinions, however you don't have to agree with all of them.

What the Transtapo is doing, however, is moving the line for *transphobic" (also a made-up word like "cis") further and further each time they come up with some new power trip. And they're using that to roll back womens' rights under the guise of "woke".

by Anonymousreply 165December 23, 2019 7:57 PM

And since you don't support drag, why should gay men care, Fish at R165?

by Anonymousreply 166December 23, 2019 7:58 PM

R165 the fact that you're throwing words in my mouth and using hyperbole - again - shows you have no argument and therefore are just a Division Troll. Sorry I didn't fall for your little attempt at a strawman.

But nice try. You just aren't as clever as you seem to think you are. Pity.

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by Anonymousreply 167December 23, 2019 8:04 PM

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by Anonymousreply 168December 23, 2019 8:05 PM

We're all entitled to our opinions. Here's mine: Ciswomen aren't real women. They've never had to consider their womanhood, they never consciously choose it despite knowing transition would be a struggle, they refuse fulfill the biological role of women they claim defines them, and then accuse transwomen of not being women because if they don't fulfill the social concept of a woman, which by the way has nothing to do with being a woman except when it can be used to attack transwomen.

by Anonymousreply 169December 23, 2019 8:09 PM

They're not ciswomen, r169. They're TRANS WOMEN women. By suggesting they aren't real, you are being incredibly transphobic. #womenaretranswomen

by Anonymousreply 170December 23, 2019 8:10 PM

Rain Dove has been a bad, bad they:

LGBT website removes two articles, one in which a non-binary activist was pepper sprayed by a transphobe in a women's toilet, and the other about them receiving transphobic abuse online, after it emerges that the claims were almost certainly made up

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by Anonymousreply 171December 23, 2019 8:23 PM

Like most of those 'Kill TERFs' posts on that website.

by Anonymousreply 172December 23, 2019 8:25 PM

I'm sensing the Division Troll trans activist monitoring this thread has gone to bed. We're safe until tomorrow!

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by Anonymousreply 173December 23, 2019 8:28 PM

R169 thank you for your clearly unbiased, trans opinion.

by Anonymousreply 174December 23, 2019 8:43 PM

Why is Drag Queen Storytime a thing? It’s not like any of Practical Butch Lesbian, Slightly Too-Old Twink or Tiresome Non-Binary Blue Hair Who Insists You Say They Even Though You Know They’re A Girl Storytime exist. It’s frankly very odd.

Drag is a fun pastime for grown adults in certain circles, leave kids out of that.

And before anyone jumps in with, “oh, oh, the won’t someone think of the children??” -mock-handwringing, sorry, but expressing concern about what children interact with isn’t the weird part. Not caring about what they see and are influenced by is the weird part. Hope that helps. Children aren’t a part of the LGBTQ community. Desmond is Amazing should not be doing drag and there is no such thing as trans kids; trans teenagers, maybe, in the way teenagers can also be gay, but not trans toddlers and under-10s as is now being pushed in certain quarters.

by Anonymousreply 175December 23, 2019 8:48 PM

[quote] Why is Drag Queen Storytime a thing? It’s not like any of Practical Butch Lesbian

Because the latter doesn't face any societal opposition.

by Anonymousreply 176December 23, 2019 8:52 PM

I bet R33 is a HUGE fan of the widow Edwards.

by Anonymousreply 177December 23, 2019 8:52 PM

ahahaha R176. It’s actually because drag is entirely accepted by straight idiots the same way trans is.

by Anonymousreply 178December 23, 2019 9:02 PM

I would hate to be the cause of a little kids nightmares, unless it’s in the context of a classic movie musical.

And have you ever noticed why so many of them are fat?

by Anonymousreply 179December 23, 2019 10:46 PM

[quote]And have you ever noticed why so many of them are fat?

Can understand that TERF frustration; totally hampers scissoring.

by Anonymousreply 180December 23, 2019 10:51 PM

Anyone who calls anyone else a T*RF is a FART:

Fucking

Asinine

Ridiculous

Transcultist

by Anonymousreply 181December 23, 2019 11:20 PM
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by Anonymousreply 182December 23, 2019 11:59 PM

R169

"they refuse fulfill the biological role of women..."

Sounds kinda like something a man would say.

by Anonymousreply 183December 24, 2019 12:24 AM

R171 from the article:

"Dove claimed that their gender fluid appearance led to the transphobic attack. "

The freakish, ever so unusual sight of a WOMAN in PANTS and a BASEBALL CAP.

by Anonymousreply 184December 24, 2019 12:33 AM

Drag queens do not want to chop off their dicks and become women! Why are they even being discussed in the same category as the grim trans. A lot of drag queens nowadays keep their beard and moustache and facial hair for the crazy contrast AND to prove they are NOT trans. These guys are not taking hormones or dressing as women in their day to day lives.

by Anonymousreply 185December 24, 2019 1:13 AM

Two questions:

Why can’t straight guys just use their imaginations?

Why can’t gay men just use strap-ons like lesbians have been using for generations?

by Anonymousreply 186December 24, 2019 1:21 AM

Are you responding to another post, R186? I cannot see R185.

Rain Dove is a pathological liar. What will she do for money now?

So was Asia NOT fucking a minor? Or was it just uncool for RD to sell texts about it for $? Hard to keep up with all the drama. Asia seems like someone you might not want to fuck with.

by Anonymousreply 187December 24, 2019 2:04 AM

Drag queens are GNC.

Shouldn't they be celebrated?

by Anonymousreply 188December 24, 2019 5:35 AM

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by Anonymousreply 189December 24, 2019 5:59 AM

R188 Drag queens are so 1990s, just like the aids. I have not cared or thought drag meant anything in over 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 190December 24, 2019 6:41 AM

Strap-on Strap-off

by Anonymousreply 191December 24, 2019 7:26 AM

like the clapper?

by Anonymousreply 192December 24, 2019 7:32 AM

R187: I can see your post and R185 but not any of the posts under it.

by Anonymousreply 193December 24, 2019 10:01 AM

What does TERV mean as opposed to TERF?

by Anonymousreply 194December 24, 2019 11:06 AM

gender is harmful @genderisharmful · 12h Seriously! Wake the fuck up people.

Only a few years ago, it would have been perfectly reasonable and safe to employ the phrases, 'biological sex' and 'male/female' with regards to bodies etc...

Now it's, "extremism".

In just a few years!

Can't you see how fucked up that is?

by Anonymousreply 195December 24, 2019 1:05 PM

Things are about to get better or much worse...it is the UK so all bets are off.

Maya Forstater @MForstater · 3h A female prisoner is taking the government to court to challenge lawfulness of its policy of allowing male prisoners who identify as women to be placed in womens prisons, even if they have bee convicted of sexual and violent offences against women

by Anonymousreply 196December 24, 2019 1:06 PM

What's the cisfemale in prison for?

by Anonymousreply 197December 24, 2019 1:15 PM

Is this the part where the snake eats its tail?

So much of this is enshrined in law already, hiding behind us. Chilling.

Black Together Again @KProtein19 · Dec 22 That transgender ideology is inextricably linked to and founded upon regressive, sexist, misogynistic stereotypes is beyond dispute. Quote Tweet

Georgina @LabelFreeBrands · Dec 18 “The danger for T-women is that if wearing what are traditionally WOMEN’S CLOTHES becomes the norm for men too, then TW will no longer be able to rely on these props to help us display a female gender identity - for many, that could be a serious problem.”

independent.co.uk/voices/will-smiths-son-as-the-new-face-of-louis-vuitton-womenswear-might-seem-progressive-but-its-a6797461.html

by Anonymousreply 198December 24, 2019 1:18 PM

You're more likely to be sexually assaulted by a lesbian than a transwoman in a women's prison.

by Anonymousreply 199December 24, 2019 1:21 PM

[quote]Jazz Jennings, Chaz Bono and Caitlyn Jenner: How the last decade changed the way we see gender.

So amazing.

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by Anonymousreply 200December 24, 2019 1:28 PM

If TRAs want the Harry Potter books removed from the shelves because JKR understands there are two sexes, just wait until they venture where they have never ventured before and open an elementary biology textbook. Mother Nature is a TERF extraordinaire.

by Anonymousreply 201December 24, 2019 2:11 PM

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by Anonymousreply 202December 24, 2019 2:17 PM

Like all trans facts, R199 cites no sources.

by Anonymousreply 203December 24, 2019 3:45 PM

Woman is a linguistic term. We can argue as to what makes a woman. Rad gems could just rebrand as XX chromosome havers.

by Anonymousreply 204December 24, 2019 3:48 PM

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by Anonymousreply 205December 24, 2019 4:16 PM

Yes, words are indeed linguistic terms. Funny how that works.

The definition of the linguistic term ‘woman’: adult human female.

by Anonymousreply 206December 24, 2019 4:42 PM

Transwomen are adult human females.

by Anonymousreply 207December 24, 2019 4:44 PM

You guys need to start blocking the Trans that only come here to start fights. Why are you guys giving them the time of day?

Pro Tranny = Block

Is not that difficult guys.

by Anonymousreply 208December 24, 2019 4:48 PM

We need an ever more bigoted echo-chamber, you mean?

by Anonymousreply 209December 24, 2019 5:03 PM

You mean the trannies and their followers who try to shut down, "cancel" and destroy anyone who implies that women don't have penises you mean, r209?

by Anonymousreply 210December 24, 2019 5:22 PM

Anyone with a functional brain knows there are only two sexes. Just because a man mutilates his body by chopping things off and taking ghastly hormones does not mean he can change his sex. T rans are also innately connected to p edophiles and no one should ever normalize p edos.

by Anonymousreply 211December 24, 2019 5:44 PM

It’s only rad fems who’ve been F&Fing on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 212December 24, 2019 5:47 PM

I see the sentiment at R2 has been deleted.

I sorry you think it’s okay to agitate for violence against transwomen.

by Anonymousreply 213December 24, 2019 6:16 PM
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by Anonymousreply 214December 24, 2019 6:22 PM

People born with dicks aren't women, r214, they're men, regardless of how they identify.

by Anonymousreply 215December 24, 2019 6:44 PM

The sentiment at r2 is not a sincere one, r213, it is a completely disingenuous and deceitful one, attempting to set up the false and strawman allegation before the thread even started that those who question the trans ideology are somehow violent, bad, wrong and driven by hate. This is especially deceitful given that no examples have ever been given of lesbians and gay men being violent to trans people because they are trans, whereas the tweets, screams, etc. from trans ideologists towards the women they try to "cancel" with the slur "TERF" are literally imubed with hatred and a violent disposition.

by Anonymousreply 216December 24, 2019 6:50 PM

It’s hard to take that seriously when the actual slur tr*nny is being used.

This space is being made unsafe by rad fems. I, as a gay man, feel uncomfortable commenting here.

Sometimes I think I should abandon this site altogether. The hate from rad fems is just too much.

by Anonymousreply 217December 24, 2019 7:00 PM

Notice how the tranny advocates always try to make it seem that the only opposition to the idea that biology is real is coming just from radical feminists and hence it must be a crazy idea?

R217, let us know when you're ready to suck the engorged clit dick of a transman.

by Anonymousreply 218December 24, 2019 7:09 PM

Stop bashing transgender citizens on DL and elsewhere. Being bigoted, hateful, unappealing physically and attitudinally, and demanding entitlements based on vulva origins and tissue, doesn't make you special in any constructive way.

by Anonymousreply 219December 24, 2019 7:17 PM

There is no such thing as LGBT. No such thing as transgenders.

by Anonymousreply 220December 24, 2019 7:34 PM

R219, I see you.

Gay men are under literal attack from rad fems.

This has got to stop.

by Anonymousreply 221December 24, 2019 7:37 PM

R219, go suck an engorged clit dick you misogynist pig. Demanding entitlements based on "identity" doesn't make you special in any constructive way.

The irony, of course, is that trans ideologists desperately wish that they had that vulva tissue in between their legs yet hate those who do.

by Anonymousreply 222December 24, 2019 7:44 PM

"unappealing physically" - because those who had had surgery in a desperate effort to create a fake vulva since they don't have the real tissue are just so physically appealing.

by Anonymousreply 223December 24, 2019 7:45 PM

[quote][R219], go suck an engorged clit dick you misogynist pig.

F&F. We just don't need this hate.

by Anonymousreply 224December 24, 2019 7:46 PM

[quote]demanding entitlements based on [bold]vulva origins[/bold]

VULVA ORIGINS!!!

by Anonymousreply 225December 24, 2019 7:58 PM

R197 Misgendering.

by Anonymousreply 226December 24, 2019 8:01 PM

Rad fems would probably rebrand, R204, but the Ts will not let them have a term for female, XX, women only as distinct from the other sex, and will move to appropriate whatever they come up with.

Personally (as a woman), I am at this point OK for “woman” to be shared on condition that a new, universally acceptable term is adopted, with that term used whenever we discuss periods, childbirth etc, as in, things that everyone has always understood mean issues affecting women. That is one way of trying to get ourselves out of this mess, even though it’s in some ways absolutely fucking stupid that we are in this position.

However, given trans women won’t even let “females” have “females”, I don’t consider it likely any proposed rad fem solution, or yours, would work. XX? I can already hear the “you don’t know your chromosomes unless they have been tested11!!!” shrieked at mothers of multiple children as I type.

by Anonymousreply 227December 24, 2019 8:33 PM

[quote]Personally (as a woman), I am at this point OK for “woman” to be shared on condition that a new, universally acceptable term is adopted, with that term used whenever we discuss periods, childbirth etc, as in, things that everyone has always understood mean issues affecting women.

Good. That'll mean more time talking about issues that affect gay men.

You could start by considering your invasion of a board which was supposed to have been a safe space for gay men.

by Anonymousreply 228December 24, 2019 9:04 PM

I hardly think the terms female and women need to be ceeded.

by Anonymousreply 229December 24, 2019 9:23 PM

R228, “invasion”, really, Ok. I’ll get off Datalounge if Ts stay out of “XX” spaces and stop demanding to be included. How about that.

by Anonymousreply 230December 24, 2019 10:37 PM

gay gossip, politics and pointless bitchery

nothing about a safe space, soz. do not let the door hit you...

by Anonymousreply 231December 24, 2019 10:42 PM

More truth. This impacts your mom, your grandmother, your sister, your daughter, over half the population.

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by Anonymousreply 232December 25, 2019 12:27 AM

DataLounge has always been a predominantly (albeit not exclusively) male online space, but there was never really an issue with women participating-- in fact lesbians used to have their own sub-forum here. Extreme misogynist posters were viewed as whackjobs just like any other extremist and treated accordingly.

by Anonymousreply 233December 25, 2019 12:54 AM

Lesbians are cool

by Anonymousreply 234December 25, 2019 3:20 AM

When gay men composed the majority of this website we could we safe to bitch pointlessly.

Now all we here are transphobic arguments from women that sound a lot like the homophobic arguments we used to hear about gay men.

by Anonymousreply 235December 25, 2019 11:12 AM

Those poor and innocent trans, the most targeted minority ever.

Remember when the gays wanted the world to know that children knew they were gay by age 3 and wanted them to act on it ? It was fun times !

by Anonymousreply 236December 25, 2019 11:33 AM

What’s that supposed to mean, R236?

by Anonymousreply 237December 25, 2019 11:35 AM

F&F R236.

by Anonymousreply 238December 25, 2019 11:36 AM

R237 / r238 is allergic to the truth. (and a rad fem, since they're the only ones F&Fing on this thread like "he" said in r212)

by Anonymousreply 239December 25, 2019 12:08 PM

R224, the only hate on this board is from posters like the misognyist pig you are defending at r219, who dismisses women as " vulva origins and tissue" yet would probably get hysterical if anyone said that trans women are not women or that they shouldn't have special rights based on their "gender identity". Assuming that poster is a gay man, he would probably run a mile if an FtM "gay" transman wanted to have sex with him but would be outraged if a lesbian didn't want to suck the dick of a transwoman who "identifies" as a "lesbian".

by Anonymousreply 240December 25, 2019 3:25 PM

I think r236 is sarcasm.

by Anonymousreply 241December 25, 2019 3:25 PM

A Russian sow troll calling gay men pigs sounds like crude, failed projection.

A gay being a bottom pig doesn't have his mind on TERF genitalia.

by Anonymousreply 242December 25, 2019 5:01 PM

R241 I'll crush your thinking with a replica of the first brick Marsha threw on Stonewall to create Gay Pride and Gay rights !

by Anonymousreply 243December 25, 2019 5:17 PM

bump

by Anonymousreply 244December 25, 2019 5:43 PM

Looking at this thread of people posting their photos, preferred pronouns and selected "gender identity" — and also thinking that these people have nothing to do with LGB.

And why is such a huge percentage of young T people obsessed with/identifying with anime characters?

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by Anonymousreply 245December 25, 2019 9:40 PM

[quote]And why is such a huge percentage of young T people obsessed with/identifying with anime characters?

Beats me, doc!

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by Anonymousreply 246December 25, 2019 9:42 PM

There is someone in that thread named Robin whose pronouns are Robin as well, as well as a "ne/nim/nis" pronoun person.

It's *somewhat* akin to all the tiresome bear/behr labeling language, but at least the bears don't melt into a tearful puddle if you get it wrong.

by Anonymousreply 247December 25, 2019 9:50 PM

A staggering % of the young T have been diagnosed with mental disorders and quite a lot are on the spectrum. I suspect such kids may be spending a lot of time online and thus may both be more invested in fantasy worlds and more susceptible to manipulation by adult T online. The egg discussions are disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 248December 25, 2019 9:51 PM

.........

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by Anonymousreply 249December 25, 2019 9:53 PM

R199 you are wildly incorrect

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by Anonymousreply 250December 25, 2019 10:15 PM

0.6% of the U. S. adult population identity as Transgender. Most of them are nondescript.

by Anonymousreply 251December 25, 2019 10:22 PM

r245

Ok I get it now. It's a bunch of kids playing dress up.

Thats ALL it is. A generation of kids who either never grew past toddlerhood or a bunch of kids who weren't allowed to play pretend as toddlers.

by Anonymousreply 252December 25, 2019 11:26 PM

Jesus half of them want to be called Princess Cordelia like Anne Of Green Fucking Gables.

by Anonymousreply 253December 25, 2019 11:28 PM

[quote]Jesus half of them want to be called Princess Cordelia like Anne Of Green Fucking Gables.

Tell me about it!

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by Anonymousreply 254December 25, 2019 11:34 PM

Did someone mention Anime?

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by Anonymousreply 255December 25, 2019 11:35 PM

[quote] Did someone mention Anime?

I always have to double-check to make sure it's not Annie they really mean.

by Anonymousreply 256December 25, 2019 11:37 PM

Far more serious than that, R252. Have a read.

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by Anonymousreply 257December 25, 2019 11:38 PM

r248 A friend of mine has an anime obsessed autistic 20 something daughter who decided she was a teenage boy last year and insists on being called Spencer he/him. Her actual teenage brother dared to wear a pink shirt recently... She had a total meltdown because he ( the brother) insisted he's a boy still and not trans... Her Brothers fashion choice made her feel "Dysphoric". The IDEA of a boy in a pink shirt made her brain short out... After a full on screaming fit culminating in a suicide threat, the brother promised not to wear pink again. We are dealing with brain damage and the emotional maturity of a 3 year old here. It can't be pandered to.

by Anonymousreply 258December 25, 2019 11:47 PM

This is why I never got into anime. That and because having to navigate between so many other fandoms of Western media to keep track of who hates what and why is exhausting enough.

by Anonymousreply 259December 25, 2019 11:49 PM

NO PRONOUNS! Fuck you Robin's Parents for not Using Robin's pronoun! Or should that be non pronoun? Who can tell? Either way you can't win.

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by Anonymousreply 260December 25, 2019 11:54 PM

Elmo doesn't use pronouns because Elmo doesn't know what pronouns are.

by Anonymousreply 261December 25, 2019 11:55 PM

" If I get called Young Lady ONE MORE TIME I might even stop dressing in pink skirts and girly makeup. I swear to god."

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by Anonymousreply 262December 25, 2019 11:56 PM

They all look and think like shit, but somehow boomers are the problem.

They can't live in the reality of this world so they are trying to change it. And honestly who wants to live in a world in which you have to accomodate those fucktards in their neverending fucking delusions ?

by Anonymousreply 263December 26, 2019 12:10 AM

Their entire sense of self worth revolves around other people's language choices. What the fuck did their parents do to raise such fucking narcissistic control freaks.

by Anonymousreply 264December 26, 2019 12:14 AM

"fae/faer" These aren't even fucking Pronouns. They aren't even nouns. Im not actually sure they're words.

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by Anonymousreply 265December 26, 2019 12:20 AM

Backed by the power of governments and in some places with the threat of firing and social ostracism, R265.

by Anonymousreply 266December 26, 2019 12:34 AM

Shitty clothes, shitty hair color... you JUST know they have fucking bullshit pronouns.

To beat them at their own game, normal people should change their pronouns every day and then scream : "DON'T YOU DARE MISGENDER ME !!!"

by Anonymousreply 267December 26, 2019 12:44 AM

Is anyone else *Slightly* tempted to troll that thread?

by Anonymousreply 268December 26, 2019 1:16 AM

Comment under R265: "Faer valid as all heck!"

Has anyone else noticed that many of them love to use "wholesome" language that would sound more appropriate in an Andy Hardy movie from the 1940s? What's up with that? "Shucks, it's nothin' but my gender, Betsy. Now let's go meet the other kids at the soda fountain!" ????

by Anonymousreply 269December 26, 2019 1:18 AM

What the AF is a Mimsy?

by Anonymousreply 270December 26, 2019 1:18 AM

How does this get changed?

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by Anonymousreply 271December 26, 2019 1:21 AM

"Is anyone else *Slightly* tempted to troll that thread?"

Oh, how the karmic wheel does turn, R268. Ten years ago, we would have been tempted to troll a thread at the Michfest site, and now...

by Anonymousreply 272December 26, 2019 1:22 AM

R271: "My clitty," said no woman, ever. EVER.

by Anonymousreply 273December 26, 2019 1:29 AM

Speaking of Michfest, a Dana Rivers update

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by Anonymousreply 274December 26, 2019 1:34 AM

What the fuck is hir talking about?

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by Anonymousreply 275December 26, 2019 9:55 AM
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by Anonymousreply 276December 26, 2019 10:37 AM

TIMs mad!

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by Anonymousreply 277December 26, 2019 10:50 AM

Man is a biological state of being.

Woman is a set of social constructs.

Therefore, "transmen" are not men, but transwomen are women.

by Anonymousreply 278December 26, 2019 3:09 PM

Peter Tatchell is appalled that a trans "man" was asked about his trans status and hormone treatment before being treated for a broken arm. I mean, what possible need could there be for healthcare providers to know their patients' medical history?

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by Anonymousreply 279December 26, 2019 5:06 PM

R279. I’m appalled that he is appalled..

by Anonymousreply 280December 26, 2019 8:30 PM

Caitlyn looks fabulous at the annual Kardashian--Jenner extravagant Christmas party.

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by Anonymousreply 281December 26, 2019 9:13 PM

look who wants in on the alphabet soup.

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by Anonymousreply 282December 26, 2019 10:48 PM

And the rest of them too!

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by Anonymousreply 283December 26, 2019 10:50 PM

Let's hope those are trolls, R282 and R283.

by Anonymousreply 284December 26, 2019 11:37 PM

R284 they appear to be a growing subculture trying to piggyback on the identity craze. The teenagers on tumblr are eating it right up of course.

by Anonymousreply 285December 26, 2019 11:48 PM

They never really left, R282. Enshrining the rights of minors to have state paid for double mastectomies or castrations without parental consent and on the state dime is just a bit up that slippery slope to the push on age of consent laws that PIE tried to get reduced to 4 in the 70s. Everything old is new again.

LGB pushed them out in the past and will do it again. There is sure to be the tearful Harry Hay of this generation, but we owe it to the kids and to our own movement/community to be steadfast.

by Anonymousreply 286December 27, 2019 1:16 AM

The war on kids starts early.

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by Anonymousreply 287December 27, 2019 1:45 AM

In ANY other context children and adolescents being castrated and/or surgically mutilated would be condemned as an atrocity out of Nazi Germany. Sex in mammals is immutable. Humans cannot transition from one sex to the other. If adults wants to undergo castration or needless bilateral mastectomies and pump themselves full of hormones they are free to do so and can do it on their own dime, but administering off-label 'puberty blockers' and subjecting confused young people to surgery in order to address their psychological problems is nothing less than unethical medical experimentation on the most vulnerable members of our society.

by Anonymousreply 288December 27, 2019 1:47 AM

My sides!

Jewel Flitcraft, a teacher who identified herself as an LGBTQ community member, said: "It got a little heated. There was a woman behind me that said what the presenter was teaching was propaganda."

"There are transgender people everywhere and they wouldn’t even know if they went to the bathroom with them, walked by them, had coffee with them, served them their Starbucks,” Flitcraft said. “It’s just making judgments like that when you can’t tell who is and who isn’t."

by Anonymousreply 289December 27, 2019 1:47 AM

Many would clock Jewel pretty quickly. Unusual name pulls up photos.

by Anonymousreply 290December 27, 2019 1:50 AM

Jewel Flitcraft?

[quote]a teacher who identified herself as an LGBTQ community member

That seems unnecessary.

by Anonymousreply 291December 27, 2019 1:51 AM

^ That means straight.

by Anonymousreply 292December 27, 2019 1:53 AM

This fantasy of 'passing' or 'going stealth' is so weird to me-- even if a man does a reasonably good job applying makeup, has a decent wig that is styled well (which very few men manage to get right), and wears clothing that fits and doesn't look like a truck stop hooker like so many of the AGP-types seem to favor, the moment they open their mouths it's all over. Voice is invariably a huge giveaway with both trans men and transwomen.

Also men and women have fundamentally different ways of moving which is based on their different skeletal structures and centers of gravity. The difference is so dramatic that even when eliminating all visual cues except for a series of illuminated dots applied to men and women researchers found that study participants could easily identify the sex of the person depicted.

by Anonymousreply 293December 27, 2019 2:00 AM

What's AGP?

by Anonymousreply 294December 27, 2019 9:28 AM

R258, Rose of Dawn on YouTube and Twitter, a rational and sane (and actually trans and not autistic or mentally ill) person, is good on this, emphasising that trans people are not victims. She doesn’t see herself as one and doesn’t want to be treated as one either.

However, much modern trans identity is mixed in with autism, mental illness, and, of all things, anime, and is essentially an adapted, Westernised version of hikikomori, the Japanese kids who isolate themselves from the world and live online and on games in their bedrooms.

Key features are claiming to be “disabled” (usually mental illness, and/or fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, or Ehlers-Danlos syndrome), not working or working only intermittently and asking for PayPal donations, producing terrible “art” (including Tumblr furry drawings of their “headcanons” and unpublishable poetry), being in mischaracterised relationships — either entirely straight relationships (for example, evidenced by producing biological children of the relationship, poor things) that they claim are “queer”, or two FtMs who will say that they are “gay men”, or alternatively never having been in any relationship at all, pro-polyamory rhetoric, yelling “TERFS” and saying “folx” and beginning thoughts on Twitter with “Like”, and engaging in cult worship of some sci-fi thing or other.

Trans culture in the modern world is a mixture of genuinely dysphoric adults (actual trans people and sadly now the smallest group), confused kids, complete misogynistic charlatans who reinvent themselves who somehow people fall for, like “Charlotte” Clymer, and absolute wrong types like Jessica Yaniv, but is overall, a negative, unfortunate subculture resulting from the increasing privilege and lack of mental resilience instilled in a number of comfortable and cosseted generations. It has fully taken off in a way the goth culture, eating disorders, ME / CFS communities all etc, never could, for a number of reasons (including early legal recognition of trans rights because in fact they are not the most oppressed ever but supported by well-organised groups, multiple cultures across the world that are fundamentally homophobic preferring a medical answer to a social one, people wanting to support “the new gay” ahead of time, misogyny, the role of (or lack of meaningful) work in post-industrial societies, the promotion of fetishes post the sexual revolution, etc, that end up in it being a coincidental perfect storm of a clusterfuck that will take several years to fully settle and then be unravelled.

by Anonymousreply 295December 27, 2019 12:55 PM

Autogynephilia, R294.

by Anonymousreply 296December 27, 2019 12:57 PM

Clusterfuck is right. The crazy amount of people on social media sporting cutesy anime profile pictures, lists of pronouns that must be adhered to, and an even longer list of illnesses and disabilities capped off with some e-begging platform or a PayPal account just baffles me. (Don’t get me started on ‘fursonas’)

by Anonymousreply 297December 27, 2019 1:23 PM

But I thought transwomen were just gay men.

by Anonymousreply 298December 27, 2019 1:32 PM

I guess, R297, that whenever you see a tweet about trans women being trans women, “period” (uh-oh trigger warning), or a “trans man finally getting their boy childhood by being bought football annuals” — one of the disturbing gender-worshipping tweets this Christmas that appears to have engagement in the multiple of thousands — that the RTs and Likes it gets will be from a mixture of those anime-avatar accounts, their alt accounts, bots, and well-meaning but clueless gay and straight people alike who think their are being “supportive.”

Normal, rational people do not, when pushed to it, and asked to consider what the rhetoric actually means for rights, relationships or pretty much anything in practice, think or believe or are willing to enforce that trans women are women or that trans men are men, whatever names you decide to call them. When the he real population realises that trans rights aren’t the next gay marriage and the horror of kids transitioning finally becomes clear, this thing will go away and most “trans” people will abandon this community, go back to their straight lives that they’ve never really left and blame “the gays” for the whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 299December 27, 2019 1:44 PM

Transing boys should be illegal.

But straight men who decide to live as their truths selves in their forties, fifties, and sixties are so inspirational -- better than any ciswoman.

by Anonymousreply 300December 27, 2019 1:53 PM

Interesting perspective on the causes of the’perfect storm’ that has come together to create the transgender juggernaut.

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by Anonymousreply 301December 27, 2019 2:08 PM

So women are really nothing more than two chromosomes?

by Anonymousreply 302December 27, 2019 2:11 PM

My gender is BITCH, and my pronouns are FUCK, YOU, and ASSHOLE!

by Anonymousreply 303December 27, 2019 2:26 PM

Sounds accurate, R303 bitch.

by Anonymousreply 304December 27, 2019 2:28 PM

R300, a key element of successful trolling is making your posts just about plausible as someone’s real thought, and not obvious bait.

by Anonymousreply 305December 27, 2019 2:32 PM

No trolling, all sincere.

Ciswomen aren't as good as Caitlyn and co.

by Anonymousreply 306December 27, 2019 2:39 PM

Gorgeous Caitlyn and stunning Sophia enjoy an amazing Christmas together as close friends.

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by Anonymousreply 307December 27, 2019 2:46 PM

R306 you’re quite right. I’m sure the next gay celebrity couple wanting to be parents will choose a stunning and brave middle-aged transwoman as the surrogate mother. They do femaleness so much better.

by Anonymousreply 308December 27, 2019 2:54 PM

Sorry R306, I meant trans woman in her fifties or sixties or even 70 as the stunning Caitlyn is. I hear she’s a mother of six and stepmother to even more, some of whom she even sees and talks to! Motherhood 2.0!! Better mother, better lesbian, better woman.

by Anonymousreply 309December 27, 2019 2:56 PM

I have no sexual interest in women or trans-anything, but as for me I'd rather find a dick under a dress than a pussy under a pair of pants.

by Anonymousreply 310December 27, 2019 2:57 PM

[R306] you’re quite right. I’m sure the next gay celebrity couple wanting to be parents will choose a stunning and brave middle-aged transwoman as the surrogate mother. They do femaleness so much better.

Nah. Hopefully science gets to the point where stem-cell vags can incubate fetuses until someone comes to buy them.

Gay men should get discounts! We make better parents.

by Anonymousreply 311December 27, 2019 3:01 PM

[quote][R306] you’re quite right. I’m sure the next gay celebrity couple wanting to be parents will choose a stunning and brave middle-aged transwoman as the surrogate mother. They do femaleness so much better.

Nah. Hopefully science gets to the point where stem-cell vags can incubate fetuses until someone comes to buy them.

Gay men should get discounts! We make better parents.

by Anonymousreply 312December 27, 2019 3:02 PM

Demonstrating the true transadvocate’s grip on reality as ever, R311/R312.

The fact is, the vast majority of woke gay men suddenly remember that sex matters when It comes to choosing their own sexual partners or wanting to have kids, but many of them still join in the erasure of women’s spaces championed by misogynists (whatever they identify as) because they personally don’t see the big deal.

When the full on straight world backlash happens, and it will, the trans will go back to heterosexuality that they really didn’t leave, and gay people will be blamed. However I’m sure a subset of gay men will manage to find a reason to blame lesbians for not standing up for themselves enough. Probably the same ones calling us TERFs now.

by Anonymousreply 313December 27, 2019 3:22 PM

Believing that liking pink makes you a girl is the exact opposite of "woke." Even Sleeping Beauty was more woke than that!

by Anonymousreply 314December 27, 2019 3:40 PM

No, GAY MEN will be blamed -- and it'll be rad fems blaming us.

by Anonymousreply 315December 27, 2019 3:41 PM

Sorry, folks! This is still the only dyke with a dick!

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by Anonymousreply 316December 27, 2019 4:14 PM

[quote]Key features are claiming to be “disabled” (usually mental illness, and/or fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, or Ehlers-Danlos syndrome), not working or working only intermittently and asking for PayPal donations, producing terrible “art” (including Tumblr furry drawings of their “headcanons” and unpublishable poetry), being in mischaracterised relationships — either entirely straight relationships (for example, evidenced by producing biological children of the relationship, poor things) that they claim are “queer”, or two FtMs who will say that they are “gay men”, or alternatively never having been in any relationship at all, pro-polyamory rhetoric, yelling “TERFS” and saying “folx” and beginning thoughts on Twitter with “Like”, and engaging in cult worship of some sci-fi thing or other.

Great description! I'd add: aversion to capital letters, "chosen names" that sound like someone throwing up on "Game of Thrones," congratulating each other for being "brave warriors" at the same time they're all breaking down in tears, and a complete prohibition on "deadnames" unless the deadname happens to attach to their PayPal account, in which case an exception can be made.

Plus: they're always exhausted. Ex-haus-ted, despite the fact they don't seem to do very much at all.

by Anonymousreply 317December 27, 2019 8:58 PM

They "educate" and "expend emotional labor," R317. Even though they weren't put on this earth for that, you know.

by Anonymousreply 318December 27, 2019 9:03 PM

What about the emotional and intellectual labor of gay men who have had to be sounding boards for heterosexual female stupidity and desperation since time immemorial?

by Anonymousreply 319December 27, 2019 9:08 PM

R228 with all due respect you are an asshole the size of the Grand Canyon. An internet gossip site is a safe space. How many years of schooling to it take you to come up with your level of staggering stupidity? Go away and never come back. I want to go and find a truly safe space. Far away from DL because this sure as hell isn't it.

by Anonymousreply 320December 27, 2019 9:20 PM

R228 Do you need to borrow some spoons?

by Anonymousreply 321December 27, 2019 9:45 PM

This article is pretty good.

New Study Demonstrates That Gendered Toys Have Gone Too Far Your child’s toy preference now comes with a lifetime of medical complications

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by Anonymousreply 322December 28, 2019 1:17 AM

Show love during the holidays.

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by Anonymousreply 323December 28, 2019 8:54 AM

Show love during the holidays.

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by Anonymousreply 324December 28, 2019 8:55 AM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 325December 28, 2019 9:00 AM

Sophia has come out and said he is not eating Bruces' cock. hahahahah Sophia is a show tranny with no cock scissoring.

by Anonymousreply 326December 28, 2019 10:51 AM

Sophia has said repeatedly that there is no romantic relationship.

Just $$$ and companionship for a nasty old man who ghosted multiple families.

by Anonymousreply 327December 28, 2019 11:49 AM

This is important to understand. The story in the US is quite similar. This is top down and global.

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by Anonymousreply 328December 28, 2019 12:10 PM

Tribalism

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by Anonymousreply 329December 28, 2019 12:48 PM

[quote]"A quiet evening to end an over the top fabulous Christmas!" Jenner wrote in the caption of the sweet selfie. Jenner previously shared a photo on Christmas Eve of the pair posing with Santa Claus.

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by Anonymousreply 330December 28, 2019 7:24 PM

This is spot on

Lara Adams-Miller @LaraAdamsMille1 · 3h I’m just saying all the woke mommas were dead against Disney princess stuff until it became heroic to share photos of dads and sons wearing the stuff.

Brave and stunning too, by association...

by Anonymousreply 331December 28, 2019 10:06 PM

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

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by Anonymousreply 332December 28, 2019 10:30 PM

Real femininity.

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by Anonymousreply 333December 29, 2019 1:06 AM

Beautiful

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by Anonymousreply 334December 29, 2019 1:16 AM

WTAF?

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by Anonymousreply 335December 29, 2019 11:50 PM

Talk about a handmaiden!

Her Twitter bio:

Katelyn Burns @transscribe Freelance Journalist. Regular contributor: @voxdotcom . Bylines: WaPo, VICE, POLITICO, Teen Vogue, etc. Millennier Than Thou. Feminist. Soccer lady. She/her

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by Anonymousreply 336December 30, 2019 11:51 AM

First time challenged?

Remember the incident with Clymer?

At least the law in the UK allows for single sex public toilets. Today at least. In theory if not in practice.

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by Anonymousreply 337December 30, 2019 11:56 AM

“Our words may be difficult to hear. But words cause less damage than a surgeon’s knife or a life-long drug regime that ravages a healthy woman’s body under the false conceit that a real man will pop out the other side of the pill bottle or the needle end of a syringe.”

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by Anonymousreply 338December 30, 2019 12:28 PM

Someone needs to write the LGB erasure version of this

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by Anonymousreply 339December 30, 2019 12:32 PM

Goths have longer bangs, smile, groom prettier, and ironically, are more optimistic.

Hatefulness are a lot of the short bangers. Recognize differences.

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by Anonymousreply 340December 30, 2019 3:37 PM

Yes, it's all "hatefulness", r340.

by Anonymousreply 341December 31, 2019 3:31 PM

"there’s no way jk rowling didn’t embolden the murderer in some sense"

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by Anonymousreply 342January 1, 2020 2:50 AM

Here is actual sense.

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by Anonymousreply 343January 1, 2020 5:23 PM

I miss Magdalen. RIP.

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by Anonymousreply 344January 1, 2020 5:46 PM

Movement needs to self police and LGB needs to distance.

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by Anonymousreply 345January 1, 2020 7:20 PM

Why not acknowledge this issue? Why make it easier? The claim that it never happens is simply not true. Never hear of it happening in the mens room or in male changing rooms though, nor is it a category on Pornhub.

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by Anonymousreply 346January 1, 2020 9:08 PM

There is narcissism and entitlement and then there is this

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by Anonymousreply 347January 3, 2020 2:29 AM

r347, that's horrifying.

"Top surgery" is voluntary mastectomy.

by Anonymousreply 348January 3, 2020 6:24 AM

And of course scheduling should take precedence over cancer patients, R348, cuz, feelz. T receive priortiy services under the NHS in the UK despite cancer patients waiting weeks for treatment, guess US wanted to be just as woke. So far the priorities of the US schedulers seem a bit sensible, we will see if that lasts.

Many states are passing laws to allow minors to have double mastectomies, without parental consent, paid for with tax dollars, even 14 year olds. The state does not pretend that they will provide the care needed afterwards during a brutal 6 week recovery though, guess that is still on the parents.

by Anonymousreply 349January 3, 2020 12:21 PM

Why the thigh scars? I thought the tissue used was internal stomach lining? Did it not work so they made labia our of thigh skin? If it is so fragile could it ever be used for sex?

If transitioning (socially or medically?) or in this case both, fixes dysphoria, then why do mental health issues of depression and anxiety still exist to the extent that college had to be postponed? I do think that bit seems real, although the $$$ of another few episodes of the show likely was a factor too.

The media really promotes this to young kids. The quote about body acceptance is a bit incongruous, no? Wonder what real kids think of Jazz? It is sad that he could not be helped to accept himself as a gay man and that the family adopted Trans, Inc. as a cause and income stream. When will his mental health and social isolation be addressed? Is Jazz on the autism spectrum like so many T identifying kids? He fits the later boy in a family with multiple boys more likely to be gay trope and seems to have inherited some of the mental health issues his mother displays. Wonder if the marriage of the parents will hold up once the cameras finally go off this year.

Jazz has spoken of being assexual due to the hormone blockers, so AGP is not a huge factor. Still, impossible to say that any of this is analagous to the childhood and difficulties faced by a girl child.

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by Anonymousreply 350January 3, 2020 12:52 PM

JK & Ricky Gervais could use an enlightenment workshop conducted by Caitlyn. It would help.

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by Anonymousreply 351January 3, 2020 2:55 PM

Veganism is a protected belief, you cannot be fired in UK for belief in it. However, believing that sex is immutable, is not.

Take close not of who/what is not allowed to be criticized.

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by Anonymousreply 352January 5, 2020 2:59 PM

This is a big part of the real agenda.

LGB kicked PIE types out in the 70s and the 90s but they are back again.

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by Anonymousreply 353January 7, 2020 3:24 AM

Guide to Twitter TRAs:

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by Anonymousreply 354January 7, 2020 3:27 AM

Le text:

A thread.

I’ve started to notice a pattern to all these conversations with the Genderists who want women’s stuff.

First they come in all sweet and hurt. Why won’t you just let us pee?

Then if that doesn’t work, they move on to manipulation. TWAAANSPHOBE usually

1/ gets hurled at this point. This will accompany lots of other manipulation techniques where they try to claim they have the high road.

Third comes the rage. Often accompanied by the death threats or the threats to deplatform or get you unemployed.

Last is blocking. 2/ It’s important the Genderists keep their bubble. They must get constant reinforcement for their cult. They will use the word “validation”. They will use terms such as “you are erasing us”.

Do not misunderstand. They are skills manipulators. But it helps when you can 3/ see the games.

Get familiar with DARVO. Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender. This will happen. A LOT. They will accuse you of exactly what they are doing. It actually helps understand what they are doing.

4/ For your own sanity, you can just look at as a child’s game of Opposite Day.

They will twist things you’ve said. This is a known time waster. So at that point you are spinning your wheels saying that’s not what I said.

It’s easier to simply point out you see the game. 5/ 6/

1. Bat their eyes and play victim 2. Manipulate with useless conversations, endless discussions about what biology means. 3. Attempts to control with TWAAANSPHOBIA hurled. 4. Rage and death threats 5. Blocking/shunning/evicting 7/.

What you will never see is any acknowledgement of anyone who is being affected by their behavior. The Extreme Genderists are remarkably lacking in empathy. No conversation will ever take anyone else into consideration. They don’t even see you. 8/

You’ll break your back trying to be kind and trying to find a solution that works for both of you. They only seek solutions that work for them.

Once you see these patterns it gets easier not to be swayed by the games and not to be manipulated. 9/

If you feel your heart pounding, that’s you being manipulated. If you find yourself rushing to defend yourself. You are being manipulated. If you are making concessions and receiving zero consideration in return, you are being manipulated. 10/. And if you think all this is crazy, it is. You are not wrong. Do not doubt yourself. You are correct.

Up is not down. Black is not white. The earth is not flat. Men are not women.

by Anonymousreply 355January 7, 2020 3:30 AM

R352, the irony is that "sex is immutable" isn't even a belief. It's knowledge. I don't believe you can't change your sex: I KNOW you can't change your sex. It reminds me of the way creationists tend to frame both creationism and "Darwinism" as beliefs, when in reality evolution is simply a fact that you either accept or you don't.

by Anonymousreply 356January 7, 2020 8:26 PM

Peak trans reached

by Anonymousreply 357January 7, 2020 10:49 PM

Peak trans reached

by Anonymousreply 358January 7, 2020 10:50 PM

Will no one think of the penis-backed women? (Or back-penised? Not sure which way round it should be.)

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by Anonymousreply 359January 8, 2020 6:46 PM

Funny how since this thread got made subscribers-only, the obnoxious anti-anti-trans troll troll has completely vanished. It must be pissing her the fuck off not to be able to post responses.

by Anonymousreply 360January 9, 2020 12:33 AM

JK has broken her Twitter silence, and unsurprisingly has received a load of comments calling her a transphobe. If you're on Twitter and are a card-carrying TERF, tweet her some support to counteract the Wokerati.

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by Anonymousreply 361January 25, 2020 1:42 PM

Yeah, she's going to get hounded by them anytime she posts anything. They are bullies.

by Anonymousreply 362January 25, 2020 7:35 PM

It does look like people are directly responding to each of the little attempts to emotionally blackmail her or bully her in more aggressive manners. Some of the responses are pretty good, too.

by Anonymousreply 363January 25, 2020 7:37 PM

They're trying to harass Patton Oswalt now, too.

I've started reporting every use of TERF as a slur. It's an offensive hate word.

by Anonymousreply 364January 25, 2020 8:18 PM

Several of the people (over 10 tweets) I reported for using TERF as a slur had it marked as Hate speech, which violated Twitter's rules.

I assume those reports are handled by a handful of people and some of them will be "TERF isn't a SLUR!" and ignore them, but at least a few of the ones I reported got validated.

by Anonymousreply 365January 27, 2020 11:03 PM

That's reassuring, R365

by Anonymousreply 366January 27, 2020 11:38 PM

Looks like she’s been receiving threats from these mentally ill men.

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by Anonymousreply 367March 6, 2020 5:43 PM
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