Biden maintains huge lead in poll

Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada all take place before South Carolina and will color the narrative going into SC. Yes, he might win in a landslide in SC, but the voters in the Super Tuesday states will take the former three into account as well. And if he doesn't do well enough in those three....

The more the media picks on Joe...the more popular he will get.

Color the narrative R1? Is that supposed to be racial?

It still remains to be seen. Contrary to media speculation, Liz Warren is not finished in Iowa or New Hampshire and Bernie’s campaign is far from dead. But yes, Joe has certainly quieted his naysayers who thought he’d collapse before the first votes were cast. And his resilience will block Hillary from entering the race.

When pigs fly

The woke left is shit. Most Dems are moderate. And once Trump escapes impeachment Biden will not be touched by that debacle. I might even vote for Joe

Poll out of Arizona yesterday. South Carolina isn't the alpha and the omega of the primary.

My first choices are mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar. But at this point I'd be satisfied with Joe Biden. I'm a little bit worried about Bernie Sanders. If he wins in Iowa New Hampshire then what is to stop him from winning the nomination?

Love him or not he has the best chance to beat trump. That is key.

I think Bernie should run third party if he doesn't get the Nom. I'd vote for him.

I think Bernie should run third party if he doesn't get the Nom. I'd vote for him.

Biden has my vote but I'm afraid to see how he will fare in the debates...

R8 - Obama said he would step in if Sanders was headed for the nom

R4 ahem...you forgot about me...

Bernie running 3rd party is a guaranteed win for Trump

Comrade at R10-R11 was a little too enthusiastic when he hit the “ После” button.

OMG I just found this. This article is why we need Pete.

R11 wants Trump to have another four years.

What is wrong with people like this? Split the liberal vote, Trump wins. The end. It’s the electoral college, stupid.

Brand new Monmouth poll... The last one had Biden and Warren tied for the lead but he has increased his total by three points and she has dropped six. Great poll for Bernie too. He is now the clear second choice

Although I find Biden frightfully boring and think Warren has far better ideas, I'm fine with Biden. He doesn't excite me, but I'll vote for him in a heartbeat

NEW Monmouth NATIONAL poll:

- Biden 26% (+3 over Nov.)

- Sanders 21% (+1)

- Warren 17% (-6)

- Buttigieg 8% (-1)

- Bloomberg 5% (n/a)

- Klobuchar 4% (+2)

- Yang 3% (even)

- Booker 2% (-1)

Everyone else at 1% or below.

Anyone who wants Bernie is a Russian Troll. It's axiomatic.

BIden is such a terrible candidate. He is a doddering old fool who fumbles,stumbles and bumbles. He seems positively ancient when compared to the even older Sanders. I hope Mayor Pete wins. We do well with younger presidential candidates. Trump vs Pete would be a ruffian vs a very intelligent man. The debates between Biden vs Trump wouls be two old nuts threatening to punch one another!

this new poll is an embarrassment for Democrats. Bernie is surging into a strong second place. The front runner is a very weak front runner. And all of their approval ratings, with the exception of Buttigieg and Yang are very disappointing some reaching Clinton levels. Trumps approval ratings from Monmouth will come out later on today but from preliminary data it looks like he will be doing better in favorability than half of the Democratic field.

Also in the poll a huge majority of Democrats say that Obama was a better president than George Washington.

I like Obama, but that’s as ridiculous as Trumpers saying he’s a better President than Lincoln. I guess none of these people no any history.

Know, sorry ^^

What did Washington really do though other than set the standards and norms of what a U.S president does?

[quote] The woke left is shit.

"Libertarians" are also complete shit. Cunt.

And looking at the cross tabs of the poll shows that Buttigieg now has 8% among POC. The poll does not differentiate between non-white groups. So there's no way of seeing how he's doing with black voters specifically. But with black Latino and Asian voters combined he is getting 8%. That's a fairly big increase

R13, Obama is not eligible to be POTUS again. R15, you're brilliant! Any idiot who votes for any 3rd party candidate is a traitor!

Obama suggested that he would step in and endorse someone else if Bernie surges to the lead. It's getting close to that time now

R31, you completely misunderstood what R13 was referring to.

Try and keep up instead of hall monitoring.

Will someone please start a thread on who or what the Democrats will blame for losing 2020 to Trump?

r32 Shutup with your fake news, im not sure bernouts will fall for that one. r34 After Trump loses he can blame himself though im sure you'll vote proudly for him.

R33 I read the statement.

R34, nobody knows if President Trump will be the 2020 GOP candidate.

Ok let me be clear. What I was gently implying is that Biden wins the nomination, Trump is a shoo in.

R38, he can't win if he isn't the candidate.

R32 I don’t think Obama would do that. Why risk pissing off a large portion of voters who would in turn stay home in 2020? Obama is a lot of bark and little bite, anyway. He cares too much about his reputation to blow up the primary like that. If anything he’ll do shady shit behind closed doors.

The race is coming down to Biden and Bernie. A redo of 2016 basically. I’d give Bernie the edge. A huge strategy of his campaign is reaching out to people who don’t vote and thus wouldn’t be polled. It happened in 2016. There’s gonna be a lot of jaws on the floor over at MSDNC when Bernie overperforms. I still remember the shock of his almost Iowa victory.

[quote]It happened in 2016.

Nothing happened in 2016. Bernie lost. By a lot. The only reason why Bernie got as far as he did in 2016 was thanks to the very undemocratic caucuses. This year there are only a handful of caucuses this time.

As I stated earlier, lots people trying to talk about politics when they're out of their leagues. I'm trying to keep my mouth closed/fingers off the keyboard. Anyone who thinks Bernie or Pete is going to Oval Office is living in a dream world.

Pete will never win Nevada-- the problem he has with blacks is also a problem he has with Latinos.

R36, you read what statement? Obama’s? You must have read it then after posting the idiocy found at R31.

R43, Chasten is already floating the possibility of a burrito and taco station with a margarita tent near Pete rallies in Nevada.

Man, if you add Sanders, Biden and Trump's ages we get something like 230. That's crazy!

R46, so what, we nominate some jerk who isn't up to the job just due to his or her age? We need the correct candidate who can defeat President Trump or the GOP candidate!

He looks like the next Democratic Presidential Nominee -- but there's a hell of a difference between being the nominee and winning the Presidency. Just ask Hillary and Al Gore.

Don't forget Warren, r46.

R48, Gore and Clinton both won the popular vote. I was involved with several groups to eliminate the Electoral College. Americans just weren't interested.

R48 And George W. Bush did not win Florida. I live in Florida and examined the evidence myself. Palm Beach County did not cast over 3000 votes for Pat Buchanan for president in 2000.

R48 Keep an eye on Britain's election.

ooff... These numbers are horrible

Fuck Bloomberg to hell.

If you have spent any time watching the impeachment hearings you know they will use Hunter's involvement in Burisma against Joe. Hell, there is a video of Joe saying he told Ukraine to fire the prosecutor. You can complain about double standard all you want, but the fact is the crazy republicans think Trump walks on water.

While studying my minor, Political Science, we were taught to basically disregard polls. In 1936, a presidential poll was made via telephone which reported a 9:1 margin for Kansas Governor Alf Landon (R) over the incumbent, President F.D. Roosevelt (D). Landon only carried 2 states in November, which didn't include his own. The electoral count was 523-8. Does anyone know why that poll was not only wrong, but so lopsided?

R42/R50/R51

Because phones weren't ubiquitous in 1936.

Not only that R57, but phone calls were not cheap so your polling would not be representative of people.

R57 and R58 are basically correct. Generally, the only Americans who had private telephones in 1936 were wealthy.

Quinnipiac should be coming out today.

Biden 29% (+5 since November)

Sanders 17% (+4)

Warren 15% (+1)

Buttigieg 9% (-7)

Bloomberg 5% (n/a)

Yang 4%

Klobuchar 3%

Sorry that from Quinnipiac.

People are gravitating toward the safer choice to win against Trump.

Blue collar workers who went for Trump before would move to Biden if given the choice. They are wary of Warren and Sanders.

Biden will likely have to choose a black or Latino VP to get minorities more excited to come out

Obama is playing the long game. Under the new rules, super delegates don’t vote in the first round. This means Obama and Clinton have a lot of influence if there’s no named candidate on the first round.

This cuts the vote down considerably as the super delegates can carry the front runner in the first few votes. This helps ensure the candidate emerges with strong party support and not the bruising death match in past conventions.

He won't do well against Trump in the debates.

Blacks will turn out for Biden no matter what. He was an old white man who served under a black president. Do not underestimate what that means to black voters.

My dog could do well against Trump in the debates.

Meanwhile, Stacey Abrams is openly discussing she'd gladly accept the VP role for the Dem nominee. She met with 10 current candidates around the last debate.

Mayor Pete's star is waning while Yang is on a lackluster rise.

Amy is the best choice for everyone who wants a moderate but thinks that Biden is too old and baggage-laden.

Pete is too inexperienced.

R68 I’d like to see the polling on her. Personally, I don’t think she’s an asset. Someone who carries Texas would be, and if they tilt Florida, it’s a win.

I wonder if Bloomberg will qualify for the debate. So we're down a Gabbard and Harris, but up a Yang.

I was a huge fan of Stacy's when she ran for governor. My admiration has been steadily diminishing as time passes. She is another opportunist. She was highly critical of Kemp and the voting irregularities in Georgia's governor race. She set up a Fair Fight organization, promoting and raising money, etc. and people were actually hoping that she would lead the battle for election reform here in GA, and run for the Senate. We have t wo Republicans, one retiring due to illness and one up for re-election. Stacy was and is still popular here. She could be a key player, instrumental in reforming the election process and getting elected to the United States Senate. I get it. If she runs for VP and loses she still gains. She raises her profile. She loses nothing by being the VP choice no matter what happens to the nominee. But if she were to run for the Senate in Georgia, and lose, her political future in Georgia would be over...at least for a while. I'm not a fan anymore. IMO Gillum of Florida would be much better. So would Kamala Harris or Sally Yates. I'm off the Stacy bus.

7 candidates have qualified for the next Democratic debate on December 19 in Los Angeles:

Biden

Warren

Sanders

Buttigieg

Yang

Klobuchar

Steyer

YAng and Steyer need to GTFO the stage and Booker and Castro need to be on the stage.

I'm surprised to see that Steyer qualified. Do the debates even matter anymore? After every debate the "loser" moves up or stays unchanged in the polls, while the "winner" gets a brief pop and then drops like a rock.

[quote]Booker and Castro need to be on the stage.

No. Getting them off the stage, finally, is a step in the right direction toward cleaning up the field.

Biden 23% (unchanged)

Sanders 22% (+9)

Buttigieg 18% (+2)

Warren 12% (-11)

Klobuchar 10% (+9)

Booker 4% (+1)

Steyer 3% (+1)

All others 2% or lower

Amy K is on fire!

Why are there so many still? They must have huge egos to stay in the race despite being at the bottom.

I don't get that either, r80. It's abkut six weeks until the primaries begin...if you've been consistently polling around 2% now there's not much hope.

R80 Amy Klobuchar's results tonight shows why. after months of 2% polls she is double digits tonight. Kerry was very low at this stage. so was Bill Clinton.

Hillary was doing well at this point in 2007.

I can't see Klobuchar standing up to Trump in a debate. If she shakes when she's debating Democrats, she'll probably vibrate like a tuning fork when in a debate with Cheetolini.

I suspect she takes something for anxiety, but because she wants to be mentally sharp in a debate, she doesn't take enough to stop the external signs.

Remember this: December 18, 2007?

Some of these guys are still in it because they want to be on the ballot and let votes be cast, then they'll drop out. But dropping out before the voters have their say, while it may be old school it's the way Democracy works. Let the people vote. That's why I wanted Kamala to stay in longer. I fully expect that South Carolina will be the point when the field narrows to maybe four people.

Bernie is never dropping out. He's a real shit ass. A spoiler. Fucking socialist asshole.

Amy is benefiting from the field being culled and now she’s standing out more than she could before.

Also, the 4 other frontrunners each have major issues that are concerning to voters...so people are taking a much closer look at Amy and liking what they see.

[QUOTE] Remember this: December 18, 2007?

Okay. And who in this race comes a cunt hair close to being him?

my point is that even though things look pretty settled for Biden, they may not be and an Amy or an Elizabeth or a Pete or a Mike Bloomberg could turn the whole thing inside out.

R89, no one knew how well he would do at this point in the race. He was thought to be an extreme long shot and it was thought that Hillary was guaranteed to get the nomination.

Obama winning the nom was like going to a horse race and the hundred-to-one horse wins. That’s how far fetched it was.

Come to think of it, that was also true with Bill Clinton and I think Jimmy Carter too. Hicks from the sticks nobody ever heard of, somehow won the nomination.

People laughed at the idea of Bill Clinton, Governor from Hicktown, Arkansas, winning the nomination, let alone becoming President. Ha. Ha.

R84, I know someone with Essential Tremor and I just assumed Klobuchar has it, without realizing it. It’s usually not very significant, but I can see stress making it worse. Maybe she’s afraid to talk about it.

I don't like Biden at all but if he's the nominee I'll vote for him. I'll vote for any Democrat except phony Dem Bloomberg. I draw the line there because he is really a Republican in almost any way that matters. He will destroy the poor and social programs as much as Trump would and that's what I care about most, climate and guns don't come close for me.

Biden is looking like the likely nominee.

But keep in mind, not ONE actual vote has been cast yet.

Biden has been the most likely to beat Trump from before he even announced. That's what matters to me.

They’re gonna Benghazi him 10E10 during this impeachment. It will be a complete circus, none of it will have any merit, but the media will end up portraying him as worse than the love child of Hitler and Godzilla.

Not my favorite, but I get it. He seems to be the consensus choice right now. Maybe he will win this thing. My big, huge, honking fear, suddenly falls apart in a big national debate. He makes these big slip ups sometimes, and I worry. I do worry.

Do you remember him debating Paul Ryan, R98? He was great. He killed Ryan in that debate.

he did really well. He is not a bad guy at all. He is actually kind of a great guy. Oh, he has fucked up at times during this campaign though, and other campaigns. So not sure about him.

I think 2016 proved that the general election debates don't matter, Trump got killed and he still got the numbers he was going to get. Even if a candidate screws up their numbers go down maybe a week and then right back up to where they were before.

Biden blames his staff for his problem with Hunter's conflicts of interests problem.

"Nobody warned me about a potential conflict of interest. Nobody warned me about that," Biden said. He added, "They should have told me."

oh sweet jesus, Biden, don't go down that road.

Hell no to Stacey Abrams as anyone's VP. Abrams is a pathetic loser. Pick a woman governor, someone who's actually accomplished something.

R99, he didn't do that well in the debates. I remember live streaming it here and posters thought he was just meh. He's a retail politician who does better when he just talks.

so glad to see FUGLY pete polling so horribly.

It's honestly all a moot point. Trump is gonna get reelected and it's depressing but I've accepted it

No to Stacy Abrams as VP. . America isn’t going to accept a big fat person as VP.

For some reason I don't care for Pete, I don't think Pete or Warren could beat Lowlife, Trump. Sharrod Brown could do it.

Some of you dummies need to realize democrats are not that liberal. I wish they were but they are not. We just need someone who will fight for workers.

I like Starch Abram. Actually Joe and Pete could probably win as a team.

That was my choice months ago, R110. I still have my concerns about both, but I think it's a good ticket. I wish O'Rourke had done better. Biden/O'Rourke might have carried Texas.

[quote]Not my favorite, but I get it. He seems to be the consensus choice right now

He’s FAR from a consensus choice at this point.

I will not vote for a far left liberal like Bernie or Liz W.

I will vote 100% and show up to help elect for Joe, Pete, Mike Bloomberg or anyone else in the middle of the political spectrum. I volunteered for Mike Bloomberg's campaign twice and voted for DeBlasio (with lots of regrets now).

I hate Trump, but am fearful of what the far left liberals could do to the economy

R108, Very impressed by how well groomed and stylishly dressed Stacy Abrams appears in her pictures. Excellent presentation and big, friendly smile. However she may be too Liberal for flyovers considering Biden's age. Meaning different from other VP in the past there's a real likely possibility she could be POTUS within 4 years if Biden were elected.

In 2020 two white men will not be on the Democratic ticket together.

Just accept it, it's not happening.

You know, I'm not at all enthused about Bloomberg, but I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination. At least he has run for office before. He has served in government, and really, being Mayor of NYC is no joke. It beats the hell out of South Bend.

The fact that he also has an established record of fighting for gun safety reforms, and fighting for the environment is important. You can poke holes in him all day with your "yes, buts..." and I will still support him if he's the nominee. I resent guys like Steyer and Yang who come out of nowhere in a manner of speaking.

Bloomberg has been a political activist for a while now and I loved his speech at the Democratic convention. I'm not looking for the "perfect" candidate. But I want someone who respects voters and supports democracy. That is something no Republican can claim.

Biden: 26% (+3)

Warren: 21% (-5)

Sanders: 16% (-1)

Buttigieg: 11% (+2)

Bloomberg: 4% (n/a)

Yang: 3% (unch)

Gabbard: 3% (+1)

Booker: 3% (+1)

Klobuchar: 2% (-1)

Looks like Biden and Buttigieg are gaining, anybody else that’s top tier is not.

[quote] once Trump escapes impeachment

He won't escape impeachment. He very likely WILL escape conviction, but not impeachment.

Crazy how so many here still don't know the difference.

But is it HYDROmatic, R22?

[quote] He very likely WILL escape conviction, but not impeachment. Crazy how so many here still don't know the difference.

Crazier still how many more seem to think the charge is more significant than the probable acquittal.

Which says more about our politicians R121. There is no doubt that Nixon would have been impeached, convicted and removed from office. The republicans now are just spineless fraidy cats. I just don't understand why they are afraid of Trump.

They're nothing so benign as "spineless fraidy cats" , they're complicit in treason by handing the most powerful position in our country over to the hands of an enemy nation.

A Biden/Pete ticket would be great, but my guess is that he would go with a woman, and one of color- He would be an old guy- perhaps a bit off kilter- but decent and a good man to restore integrity and morality to the Executive Branch of gov't. The problem will remain the thoroughly corrupt GOP. Hopefully the old white boys club of power peddlers and grifters will die out. Please Bernie-bots etc. get out and vote like you life depends on it, because it will, particularly if you intend and hope to live another 40 or 50 years.

Not going to be Biden and Pete. Will probably be Biden and Harris or Klobuchar, or Sally Yates or Andrew Gillum, but please god not Stacy Abrams. She is way too aggressive, lobbying for it, and she seems to enjoy the spotlight too much. You don't want your VP running mate to outshine and out talk you and be so opinionated that she's reflecting her positions instead of yours. She's smarter and more competent, and she's basically a decent person, but lately she sure reminds me of the way Jesse Jackson used to act back in the 80's.

But I was told Biden was going to plummet after the debates?

Republicans love the impeachment. It’s their dream come true. Trump is pushed off non stop coverage where he routinely screws up. Republicans now go on the offense, an alternate reality they constantly rewrite. The reason is it’s bushed every idiotic failure of this reborn Silver Shirt Party out of the news.

The media isn’t covering Trumps connections to pedophiles, his financial ties to Russia or how many people are dying in his concentration camps. Instead, they’re playing bread and circuses.

Trump has used the hearings as an effective fundraising tool. He's raised a lot of money off this.

Biden: dead man walking.

Stacey Abrams is so much like Lizzo, just waiting for her to break out the ass open leather dress to wear to campaign in

You'd be wrong, R130. Stacy Abrams is an extremely intelligent, capable woman. She's a lawyer, a published author, and she's demonstrated through her leadership position in the Georgia state legislature that she knows how to get things done. I just don't like the way she is marketing herself on the national stage right now. She could be making a real impact in Georgia right now. Running for VP right cheapens her image, IMO. I don't know who is advising her, but since she started her new organization to insist on Ballot security and fair elections, she ought to make it her priority. Because the self promotion isn't a good look.

“According to the Washington Post, during a recent appearance on the “Cape UP”, podcast Abrams was directly asked whether she would consider being the vice-presidential nominee. To which she very simply responded “Yes,” before then acknowledging the “very weird position” of having to speak so candidly about her ambitions.

“I’m a black woman who’s in a conversation about possibly being second in command to the leader of the free world and I will not diminish my ambition or the ambition of any other women of color by saying that’s not something I’d be willing to do,” Abrams said.”

Abrams should have kept her mouth shut until she was the official selection, after the convention next year.Nobody that’s being considered ever talks about it until they are definitely selected. Ever. And typically a few people are interviewed. Sounds like she’s trying to force Biden to take her. For all we know, he may have talked to others as well, as they usually do. He’s talked about choosing several others. She’s trying to say he now has no choice. That’s classless at best, belligerent at worst.

Picking a VP is one of the most important things a candidate can do.

Obama was smart to pick Biden as VP, because he was older and more experienced, but wouldn’t outshine Obama. He was a good second banana, and that choice took a lot of thought.

Biden, in the other hand, is a complete idiot for painting himself in the corner this way. There’s no telling what’s going to happen in the next year. What if something bad comes out about Abrams? Then he’ll have to ask her to withdraw and will alienate every black voter. How vetted was she, if at all? She could potentially be a Sarah Palin sized disaster. Did he even mean she was The One, or only interview her while considering several others? That’s a hell of a presumption on her part. Bad judgment all around.

And what about potential VPs that make their mark in the next year? They are automatically disqualified because he shot his wad too soon. In a year, hopefully the impeachment trials will be over. Other Congress members may become available. I don’t like the idea the VP must be black or else.

Considering Biden’s age, I’d be much happier if it was Adam Schiff, who's ready to be President on day one. But he’s not black so he automatically can’t be considered, even though he’d probably make a better President than anyone running. Or Sherrod Brown, or many others that are the wrong skin color but far more qualified to take over at a moment’s notice, and are known name brands that could win re-election if Biden dies in office. If Biden died suddenly, can Abrams carry the entire party in an extremely volatile election cycle, based on tokenism alone? If it was Kamala, she’s got a lot more qualifications, and I’m not a Kamala supporter, but come on. Where’s Abram’s built in supporters? Kamala has many more than she does.

Sounds like Biden is looking for a second banana like Obama, but since no one expects him to live through a second term, he needs to be looking for a first banana type. Somebody who’s actually better than he is would be more appropriate. And there are many, who don’t have time to run for themselves right now because of impeachment.

I've wanted Sherrod Brown (as Pres Or VP) since day one. He'd be brilliant.

Whichever Dem runs will be Benghazi'd by the GOP. If there is nothing true that is bad that the GOP can say about the D nominee they will just make something up and in 2 days every Republican in office and the moron supporters will swear that it's true.

Biden’s most important choice is going to be for VP. He’s picking the next head of the party. You don’t squander that on somebody that’s not the best of the best. At this moment, Abrams would be second tier at best. If she had run for President, maybe not even that.

I can’t imagine the stupidity of Biden mentioning her this early to begin with. He doesn’t have the nomination yet, it’s early, and the one thing we do know is the next President after Biden is going to be fighting the entire GOP tooth and nail every minute. I don’t see Abrams having the gravitas for that.

It’s just another example of Biden not having great judgment. Who told him to show his cards so early? Or did he refuse to listen when somebody said not to?

I'm fine with Stacy Abrams, but I'm not a straight white male voter in the Midwest. Those are the ones we have to appeal to unfortunately.

As for Sherrod Brown, he might have that down to earth Midwestern appeal, but the Governor of Ohio is a Republican, so we can't afford to lose that Senate seat.

Biden is the only Dem beating Trump in WI and only by one point.

Trump's reelection plan is to win all the usual red states plus WI, ceding PA and MI.

I'm supporting Joe but I have doubts given his abilities. I know Hunter took a job that was offered, but damn it, where was his head? If Joe has stuttering problems in the primary debates, what's going to happen with Trump bullying him and talking over him, you know he will.

If you're going to have a black woman on the ticket just to have a black woman on the ticket then Michelle Obama is a far better choice than Stacy Abrams.

IA, only Michelle Obama doesn't want anything more to do with politics. She never wanted her husband to run for president, let alone win. She hates life in a fishbowl and hated it for her kids.

It’s interesting that a lot of the preferred choices are people with little or no experience sitting in high office.

Why? Is it because most of the Democrats are too old? Or is it some instinctive need to push out anybody that could be implicated in Russian bribes?

Let me tell you.While we sit over here watching the Democratic candidates talk about policy proposals, the Republicans are making threats about impeaching the next Democratic President and ranting about how dare the Dems go after their God, Trump. They offer nothing, they lie, they threaten they are the most bankrupt, negative, corrupt dishonest bunch of bastards i have ever seen. No one of them has spoken about a single policy issue. Nothing.

Rep. Jeff Van Drew, anti-impeachment Democrat, expected to switch parties

Good riddance. He can take that other asshole Manchin with him.

FoxNews national poll just out shows Buden with a double digit lead over Bernie

No R144, he has a 10 point lead over Bernie.

R145 ummm. yeah? 10 points is double digits

Trump will win a second term. Sad but true and you people are retarded if you think otherwise.

Dear faux concerned Democrat troll, we heard you and your cohorts the first 10,000 times. At this point, it's just trite and jejune. They should give you new memes to push.

If you take into account margin of error he does not have a 10 point lead. I know you guys want to ordain Biden as the nominee, but he would just be terrible. They are going to slam him and his kid. This will be Hillary all over again.

I know a LOT of people who sat out the last election (which clearly benefited Trump almost as much as his cheating did). If Stacey Abrams is on the ticket - they will NEVER vote Biden and will likely sit out again. We need a female of color who is brilliant, classy, moderate, photogenic, etc. KAMALA HARRIS is the one.

Kamala has bodies in her closet. Abrams is a bad choice but is better than Kamala.

Were the obsessive Pete posters on dL his last ditch attempt to save his campaign?

R151 - I 'm not sure what these "bodies in the closet" are that you are referring to, but when you compare the garbage heap of skeletons that Trump and Pence live amongst - nothing even comes close to comparing.

R153, apparently a man she prosecuted was later found to be innocent. Her office apparently bribed the only witness to change her story and say it was him.

“Trulove was transferred to jail in San Francisco, charged with first-degree murder, and brought to trial in early 2010. Despite no physical evidence linking him to the crime—and the fact that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable—he was convicted and sentenced to 50 years to life. For her testimony, the alleged eyewitness also received more than $60,000 in housing and relocation benefits from the office of a rising political star: San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris.

“Trulove’s story of wrongful conviction and eventual exoneration has been told before; he even won a $13.1 million payout from the city of San Francisco.“

She also made some other decisions that were particularly hard on the black community. Blacks don’t only dislike her for being a prosecutor in general, she made some very poor judgment calls.

These particular incidents did not get national attention, so most people know nothing about them. If she’d got farther up the ladder, she would have been vetted more heavily and people in other states might have learned things that changed their minds about her.

R153 No, Wrong analogy. I wasn't referring to Trump, Biden or Dicky Mo. I was comparing Kamala to Abrams. Kamala has the equivalence of the Trump Russian Piss tape against her and Abrams doesn't. Kamala also comes across as an over aggressive phony and Abrams doesn't. There are better candidates than Abrams but Kamala is not one of them.

R154 That is part of her problem. She has been black since she was an itty bitty girl however she treated the black community unjustly and unfairly.

Why does somebody like that run for higher office in the first place, knowing that’s in their background and it’s going to come out? She’s a senator already. Don’t rock the boat. She could stay in the senate for decades.

That’s like Trump, who was living a good life, deciding to run for President and getting 300 million eyes on him and his sketchy finances that weren’t there before. Stupid.

[quote] Someone who carries Texas

Texas is not going to vote for a Democrat for POTUS in 2020, no matter who the VP candidate is. In 20 years, probably. But not next year.

uggghhh... Marist, which is an excellent pollster released results today that show Biden leading Bernie Sanders by just 2%

And the other poll released today, though an A/B and not an A+, shows Biden leading by 10%.

It is too early to give a damn what the polls show. There will be more people dropping out and who their supporters go to is going to make a big difference.

I’m waiting to see what happens after all these three and four percenters go away. Some of these voters are so invested in losing candidates, they may tune out even before the convention.

You would think these minor candidates, who know they’re polling too low to win, would drop out and endorse one of the top tier and even campaign for them. But no, because they’re so incredibly egotistical that even Trump isn’t a big enough threat to put their ego on the back burner.

R161 Not really that early. Iowa and New Hampshire are several weeks away and after people start voting it's very hard to change momentum. The ball is rolling and people who sit back and wait for things to shake out are going to be steamrolled.

Birmingham mayor Randall Woodfin, who won with support from Bernie, endorses Joe

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump, the first modern president to face impeachment during his first term in the White House, now leads his top Democratic rivals in his bid for a second, a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds.

The national survey, taken as the House of Representatives planned an impeachment vote and the Senate a trial, showed

Trump defeating former Vice President Joe Biden by 3 percentage points,

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders by 5 points, and

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren by 8 points.

Mayor Pete Buttigieg by 10 points and

Michael Bloomberg by 9.

Polls taken nearly a year before an election are hardly a reliable indicator about what the eventual outcome will be, especially when the other nominee hasn't been chosen. But the findings do indicate that impeachment hearings detailing what critics see as Trump's violations of the Constitution and his oath of office haven't undermined his core political support. I

Dems and Never Trump Republicans are waiting to unleash a treasure trove of whoop ass on Trump. And I can’t wait. He’s going to get buried.

When is it coming, R166?

We can't afford to wait much longer.

[quote]Pete will never win Nevada-- the problem he has with blacks is also a problem he has with Latinos.

Errr no, he doesn't have the same problem with Latinos as he does with the African-American community. The first time he polled above 4th place in a poll was in Nevada back in May.

I can see an edge case for picking up Texas. If Will Hurd is willing to jump on the ticket, staying as a Republican - that could work. He's retiring from the House. Has a very high profile in Texas and biracial.

I already can hear the screaming from the lefties. This is the same logic Kennedy used when selecting LBJ in 1960. They didn't agree on much, and a Texas Democrat was way, way to the right of the rest of the Party.

The keening of the BernieBros and Lizziebots shall now commence.

R169, Are you mental?

R165, some context. Other polls conducted about the same time have Biden winning against Trump. Here's the cume -- Biden up 6.5, the highest of any Democrat, in that.

All we need is someone electable who is not an insufferable wokester and we should win. Pete? No. He's not a wokester but he's gay and not well known enough. Bernie and Liz will die in flames in the swing states.

Can we just be real about this instead of all the true believer delusion? There's only one choice in 2020 if we want to oust Trump. Ignore everything but the swing states. Liz Warren in Pennsylvania? I don't think so.

Well R171 Hillary was supposedly going to win big against Trump. We don't know who can beat Trump and anyone saying they do is delusional. Right now the candidates are trying to get the nomination. Once we have a candidate and they can campaign against Trump we will be in a better position. Everything Hillary did Trump and his supporters pounced on and Ukraine and Biden's son are going to be an issue for him besides the minor shit Joe does. We are not going to have a perfect candidate, but do we want a candidate that we know what issues Trump and his supporters will use against them? Whoever is the democratic nominee will most towards the center, it always happens.

I think what’s going to happen about Biden’s son is it’s going to backfire. People will feel sorry for Biden, even though his son is a total fuckup, because Biden is not his son and the Trump kids have done even worse things. In the end, it’s going to come down to tribalism, us vs them. People will end up voting for Biden even if they hate him because he can get minority and lower class people.

Jimmy Carter had a brother that was a fuckup too. Everybody felt sorry for Carter that he had to put up with this dumbass brother. They didn’t hold it against him. And they knew he was much smarter than his brother.

R170 Possibly. I’ve spent too many years in Washington.

There is a big difference between Billy Carter and Hunter Biden R173. Billy was seen as a goofball and alcoholic. Hunter took a job that by all accounts he wasn't even qualified to have and admitted that if Joe wasn't his father he would never have gotten the job. Remember too, Joe says he got the prosecutor fired. So you have Joe and his kid involved in Ukraine, although Joe was doing US policy. The optics are just terrible.

[quote] Well [R171] Hillary was supposedly going to win big against Trump.

That’s different — Hillary had strong national numbers but as we found out in 2016, that doesn’t matter. She got millions and millions of votes more than trump. Meanwhile, he literally squeeked by in the battleground states. And he’s president.

Biden is precisely the kind of guy who can win because black people like him and working class whites in the battleground states do too. Unlike Hillary. Not to sound like a broken record but he is far and away the best shot.

[quote] what’s going to happen about Biden’s son is it’s going to backfire. People will feel sorry for Biden, even though his son is a total fuckup,

Rose colored glasses are so handy

The Hunter Biden thing has been around for months now and hasn't hurt Joe. It has actually helped him...I recall a poll a few weeks ago where more people said they were MORE inclined to support him because of it. If it were going to hurt him it would have done so already. People are generally numb to the issue after all the illegalities and obvious nepotism in the current administration.

The Warren and Bernie Bros keep bringing this up, because to their great dismay they can't find a damn thing that will bring down Teflon Joe. When this first came out months ago all the ultra lefties were proclaiming him as "toast", which proved to be 100% wrong. People just like and trust Biden, often not only despite his flaws and flubs but because of them.

I'MYOURHUCKLEBERRY

@GEEPENNIN

Rudy Giuliani's son works in the White House in 90k do nothing job.

Bill Barr's son-in-law works in the White House in a do nothing job.

Trump's daughter and son-in-law play pretend in the White House.

Mitch McConnell's wife works for Trump.

But Hunter Biden is the problem?

What people don’t realize is, Hunter Biden actually was qualified for that job. HB was hired as an inside man, somebody that had an in with the government. Biden knew people that knew people, and that’s why they hired him.

Does that look okay? No, but a lot of these big companies probably have somebody similar.

Carter Page was hired for the same purpose. He sold himself as a guy that knew everybody, and had a finger on the pulse of the political world, and Gasprom fell for it.

It all looks murky, but that’s what these companies wanted to pay for.

I disagree R178. With being an ex VP and a lot of name recognition you would thing he would be killing it in the polls. He is just bumbling along. Just because Joe says he is the only one that can beat Trump doesn't make it so.

New YouGov poll out.

Biden maintains a big lead (29%). Sanders is below him at 19%.

R175 Oh god, where do I start with you.

Hunter founded an international consulting company long before Burisma. Before that, he was an executive vice president at MBNA. So, hell yes he was qualified to advise Burisma in how to get itself out of international timeout, mostly due to its financial fraud. Joe Biden was there representing the administration under the authority of the President, and this was the motherfucking will of congress that we directly work with the international community regarding the rapacious fraud in Ukraine. Ukraine was begging for international aid and closer ties with NATO and the IMF and World Bank.

What had been going on is the worst, most rapacious looting of a country in decades. What should be a very wealthy country was mired in poverty due to official corruption. That's in part what led to the ouster of two Presidents. Those who were hanging on were the corruption engine, mostly Russian allies.

The British government had thoroughly investigated Ukrainian corruption for years and concluded that as condition for continued international support, they indicted multiple Ukrainian government officials and business leaders. They made further aid conditional on their removal, investigation and prosecution.

The prosecutor refused to investigate, so the US supported GB on his removal.

Where Trump spectacularly fucked up was in releasing aid in '17 and '18 when they failed to meet US requirements for anti corruption. Trump's pretense at an interest in corruption is false on its very face. He waited until a new president was installed who wasn't a lackey for Putin, then tried to put the screws to him. Not with a quid pro quo but a quid pro ante. He demanded something specific from their President in exchange for the release of aid. The simple act of implying there was a connection and then freezing the aid is the direct crime.

[quote]Hunter took a job that by all accounts he wasn't even qualified to have and admitted that if Joe wasn't his father he would never have gotten the job...

Oh, really?

Love Trump Cabinet Appointees, Rick Perry, Dr. Ben Carson, and Betsy deVos

He was not qualified period R184. Hunter even admitted he would not have gotten the job if he wasn't the son of the VP. I said Joe was doing US policy. It is the optics that look bad.

R185 we are trying to win an election and get the moderate repubs and independents to vote for our nominee. Do you think when Trump and his supporters go after Hunter and Joe that Joe is going to say well none of your cabinet appointees are qualified? Hell Joe still thinks if he is president that all of a sudden the repubs will work with a dem president. They didn't work with him when he was VP.

Yes, eventually I think he will. Their qualifications have been called into question for years now in the media. Recall the stories that Perry had no idea that the DOE was responsible for the nukes.

On CNN's site there is a story about hundreds of President Obama's alumni endorsing Elizabeth Warren. Wonder why they aren't endorsing Joe. For some reason when I have the "Web Site Link" in it won't allow me to post.

R186 You're pulling paraphrasing from the right-wing Dailywire again? Be very ashamed.

Oh shut up R189.

Have a nice day, fascist R190. Enjoy your parades over the murdered children of your Trumpian concentration camps. Are you planning on making lampshades out of them.

You're an idiot R191 and don't know what you are talking about. Go fuck off.

SOOOOOOOOOOO ridiculous listening to ANYONE attacking Joe when Trumpy Bear is in office. Can he please explain what crimes and bullshit his daughter and Jared are doing running all over the world making crooked deals to benefit themselves and HIM? Yeah...that.

Mainstream media and NYT are saying...repeatedly...that the Hunter Biden "problem" is taking a toll on Joe and will impact his ratings and poll numbers. We all know that's bullshit but they're planting the seeds. We really need to push backand go on the offensive when the media starts peddling their bullshit.This is not politics as usual.

Hate to agree with the media, but I have lost interest in Biden because of his son's outrageous corruption. Don't want to drain one swamp just to re-fill it with another toxic mess. Joe Biden is super close to his son, you cannot get me to believe he knew nothing about his overseas source of income....Joe is tainted and I won't vote for him. Please find a clean Democrat for me.

You’re a troll or stupid, R195. Either way, you aren’t influencing anyone with your bullshit.

There was a piece on Fox News (according to a friend) that Biden would be the Democrat's best way to beat Trump.

As I said to that friend, "If Fox News is pushing Biden then there's a problem." I just don't believe they'd do that unless they there was an ulterior motive as in they believe Trump can actually beat him because there's something out there that they're going to help drag out when/if he is nominated.

Biden has maintained or slightly increased his lead in the few polls released this week.

I agree, R23. But a lot of black voters are prejudiced against Buttigieg and won’t vote for him no matter what. They’d rather have another four years of Trump. I guess they don’t give a fuck that they’ll have to learn Russian before their lives are over, and their kids will be born slaves. That’s what it’s come down to. And they won’t vote for anybody but Biden.

They can’t be bothered to look a year or two into his term to think ahead to what it would be like to have another doddering old man, right after Trump, if Biden’s health fails. Or what our enemies would make of two senile old farts in a row. A lot of decisions are being deferred already because Trump is a senile idiot.

Looking at the polls, there’s two things going on: one is who Democrats and liberals want to vote for: 1. Biden, 2. Bernie, 3. Warren, 4. Pete. That seems pretty consistent in most states.

Second, who polls best in the general against Trump per state. That looks like: 1. Biden, 2. Pete, 3. Bernie, 4. Warren. That’s based on voters in the general wanting a moderate. With a moderate ticket we could pick up some Never Trumpers and Independents who hate Trump.

Bernie/Warren looks like a far left, cohesive ticket, and it will lose. Biden/Buttigieg is a moderate ticket, and could win. Right now Buttigieg is still gaining in some states, Biden seems to have dropped a little bit in some states. Nothing drastic, but enough to be a concern. Buttigieg’s youth could help counteract Biden’s age.

I’m sure Hillary Clinton thinks about several things she would do differently if she could replay 2016 but her choice of running mate left a lot to be desired. I’m sure Hillary was trying to shore up her male appeal by picking Kaine but the Clinton/Kaine ticket didn’t motivate/engage the minority base of the party. That was particularly dangerous in an election after eight years of a Democratic Presidency.

I hope the eventual Dem nominee of 2020 doesn’t make that same mistake.

R188, I think the truth is that Obama is a two-face, he always thought Biden was a dunce, and would rather have virtually anybody but Biden as President.

I guess he was arrogant enough to think he would never be assassinated, which was a hell of an assumption at the time, considering how many death threats he was getting. So he picked a guy who had the qualifications on paper, but who couldn’t possibly outshine him. Biden makes Obama look like Einstein.

So now Biden is the senior member of the party, has two terms as VP under his belt, which should give everyone great confidence. But it doesn’t, because it’s pretty apparent most people think he’s not up to the horribly demanding job it will be to clean up after Trump and the other elephants. So in a way, Obama put us in this position.

I think Obama realizes that, and is trying to use his influence to clean up the mess he made, by trying to take the reins as the head of the party. But that ship has sailed. Biden is running, and the party’s leader now is him, not Obama. Obama’s time has passed.

If Obama expresses an opinion against Bernie, watch the BernieBros ignore it and attack Obama. He’s going to use up his goodwill and just increase the divisiveness even more, in a bad year for it. And if the BernieBros get offended, which they will, it could harden their unwillingness to vote for somebody else in the general even more.

Obama needs to step back and be an elder statesman here. There’s too many factions. But he’s being very obvious that he doesn’t want Biden at all. People see that, and it’s splitting the vote even more. I bet it’s ruined their friendship.

If Obama backed Biden in 2016, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

R196. This is R195. I solemnly swear that I am not a troll. I just won't vote for Biden now because of the corrupt taint surrounding Hunter. The old saying the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree is so true.

I will vote for a clean Dem or no one at all.

[quote]I solemnly swear that I am not a troll.

...Said the troll.

R196 A troll -or- stupid? Why can’t he multitask?

R203 Do you have actual evidence of corruption? This sounds like Trumpism and “people come up to me ALL THE TIME” and “I hear people are saying”.

Yet, the very people making the claims were in long-standing “business” relationships with known Putin mafia associates - many millions of dollars of “business”.

Interesting forecast for 2020:

“ Harry Enten appeared on New Day to talk about the growing gender gap in 2020 presidential polling.

In 2016, he points out, women voted for Hillary Clinton by 14 percentage points. (Editor's note: More accurately, this reflects the 93% of black women who voted for Clinton. White women? Not so much. They've woken up since then.) That showed a gender gap of 25 percentage points.

"What does 2020 look like?" Alysin Camerota asked.

"So take a look here," Enten said. "I averaged our last two CNN polls, October and December. Take a look at this. I'm specifically looking at Biden and Trump to simplify things a bit. Take a look here. Women in average of our polls voting Democratic by 24 percentage points, voting for Joe Biden. Republicans voting for Trump by ten percentage points. That's a gender gap of 34 points. That is huge. I have never ever seen that before in any poll, heading into a presidential election."

"That's unbelievable."

"That's a canyon. I think the real question is why is this gap widening," Enten said.

"This is 2016 versus 2020, and what we see is women in 2016. Take a look at the Biden versus Trump polling. Men pretty much voting the same. 10 in 2020, 11 in 2016 both for the GOP. But women, that's where the gap is. Look at this. 24 point lead in our polling among women versus just a 14-point victory for Hillary Clinton back in 2016."

"So women either love Joe Biden or they have a problem voting for Donald Trump," Camerota said.

"I think the answer here is Trump. And let me just point out: if this holds with women, it would be the biggest Democratic victory among women just absolutely since 1964, even in that blowout election."

———

"I did a recent voter panel of white women without a college degree. We saw some erosion. People that were struggling with the previous vote," Camerota said.

"It's a 19-point going towards the Democratic party."

Enten said the gap holds in the swing state. "Wisconsin, a key swing state, 32-point gender gap here. Democratic. women are voting Democratic by 17 points. So we see it in the swing states as well."

R203, I don’t think you understand what really happened. The company that hired Hunter Biden, Burisma, wanted somebody who had friends in high places, which Hunter Biden did. A guy who could feel out American political opinion for them discreetly and bypass diplomatic channels to tell them what it was. Hunter Biden was there as a sort of insider expert on American politics. He didn’t have to be a genius himself, he just had to know people. That was the job. (There’s also a question that hasn’t been addressed yet, but I wonder about myself. It’s alleged Carter Page, who was an American doing essentially the same thing for Gasprom, was working for the CIA. I wonder if HB could have been an inside man for the CIA or some other American group. They’d never tell).

Meanwhile, Joe Biden was following the directions of Obama, which were to get rid of a corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor general, Shokin. There was an international allied effort going on at the time to get rid of corrupt, pro-Putin actors in the Ukraine.

Shokin promised to investigate Burisma but then sat on the investigation. Biden managed to get Shokin fired. The replacement guy was okay. He investigated Hunter’s employer, (Burisma’s) owner, for corruption. He investigated and cleared the company owner of corruption.

Obama ordered Biden to do what he did. He didn’t do it in his own, he was carrying out official American policy.

Ukrainians had an election and got rid of the corrupt President and about 80% of their Congress. They elected an actor who ran as a not serious candidate, kind of like Trump, but this guy was clean. They wanted a newbie because he had no ties to corruption. That’s the President now. That guy has gotten rid of a lot of bad guys and is trying hard. He says Biden is clean.

The Ukrainians cleaned out the government by voting out all the crooks. But that means they have a bunch of inexperienced people now, and Putin is attacking them. They’re not able to handle him alone. That’s where Trump and his bribes come in. Our Congress passed a bill funding military aid for Ukraine. Trump stopped the money from being released, solely to blackmail the Ukrainian President to lie about Biden to benefit Trump. The Ukrainians’ lives hang in the balance. People in Ukraine died, killed by Putin’s army, to help Trump get re-elected. The Ukrainian President is terrified to say no to Trump, even now. He’s got to go at all costs.

I think a more realistic view of events is probably, Obama wanted Ukrainians at Burisma investigated. Hunter was put in to spy on them for the CIA, because they could get him in. Biden Sr used whatever info they got that way to get rid of the corrupt prosecutor general, as Obama wanted. Hunter left after his part was done, “because it looked like a conflict of interest.” Job completed.

Here’s the NYT link about the Hunter Biden connection debunking the rumors.

A couple more pertinent points: Trump had no legal right to hold Ukraine’s money. In the Constitution, it says Congress shall have the power of the purse, which means in practical terms, if Congress refuses to pay for something, Trump can’t do it. And if they do vote to pay for something, they are the ones with the power to release it, not Trump. He stepped out of his lane.

Secondly, Trump claims “he was just holding it because he was so worried about corruption.” Lie. In reality, there’s a bunch of legal hurdles they already had to clear before Congress ever released the money. They did that. They were alrrady in the clear when Trump stuck his nose in.

Thanks for laying out all of the facts, R208. The truth is that poster isn’t interested in truth or facts. That’s why it was clear it’s a troll or intentionally being stupid. Anyone who confidently accepts GOP talking points as facts has to be one or the other.

I'm not thrilled by the whole nepotism thing that Hunter Biden represents, but the idea that the most corrupt grifter to ever pollute the White House was deeply concerned about corruption in Ukraine is a complete joke. There is only one thing Trump cares about when it comes to corruption: how can I get in on it?

And if we are going to do something about nepotism, we need to start by throwing Donny Jr and Eric and Ivanka and Jared into jail.

R211, read the NYT article. It says Fox and others have put out so much propaganda that a lot of people have no idea what’s really going on. They don’t understand it, they just hear corruption and freak out.

Even if that poster is a troll, other might be believing the rumors too. I figured it was worth clearing up.

R212, what if Hunter Biden was there working for the CIA? In that case, nepotism is a blessing.

He’s actually perfect for the role. Was in the military, has a reputation as a flaky black sheep, seems too stupid to be dangerous. You never know.

okay, if Hunter Biden turns out to be a secret CIA asset, I retract all criticism. Til then, not thrilled by the whole hey, I'm the idiot son, hire me!

R32 George W. Bush has been so graciously silent since leaving the presidency. He should be the model for all ex-presidents on how to behave after leaving the White House. Obama simply can’t help himself with his need to feed his gigantic ego.

With Obama, it’s shit or get off the pot.

This endless hinting, without coming right out and saying it, is trying to have it both ways. This is America. Everyone’s too stupid to understand oblique hinting. Spit it out, dude.

R210

Oh, dear.

That’s not how the constitution delegates powers.

Executive means execute.

The president can refuse to disburse spending regarding foreign aid because it’s one of the areas the executive has nearly unilateral powers.

In this case, you’re wrong, R218. Trump defied the law by withholding that money from Ukraine. In fact, the law was passed during the Nixon impeachment era. Nixon was also withholding and reassigning funds designated by Congress.

mmm, very complicated issue r218. Nixon tripped over his own dick on this question. Can the president just not spend the money appropriated? Led to the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, basically saying don't do that shit.

You know you are seriously in the doghouse when the family pooch makes the Christmas greeting but you’re left out.

Such is the case for perpetually scandal-plagued Hunter Biden. He and wife Melissa were all-too-obviously missing from the Christmas card posted online by Papa Joe.

Accompanying the card was a video that included two of the former VP’s German shepherds, Champ and Major Biden. Hunter, 49, and Melissa, 32, were nowhere in sight. Joe, 77, added insult to injury by writing, “When we say Merry Christmas from the entire Biden family, that means even the dogs” — but, alas, not Hunter and Melissa.

In response, social media has lit up like a proverbial Christmas tree.

I think if we have learned one thing since 2016 is that polls do not mean shit. I've been on a holiday political cleanse lately. Is Pete out for the count? There was such hype heading into the holidays. I was truly excited, but the Pete news seems to have ceased fast and quick. Not just on the DL but everywhere. Was the debate the disaster? What happened? I was going to volunteer for his campaign after the first of the year. I know he was a long shot, but is dead in the water now? Anything new aside from the lack of black support in SC or did Bernie just have a major serge all of a sudden?

The real threat isn't Hunter. THe real threat is the same bullying divisive Bernie Bots that are on twitter and other social media agressively picking fights with other Democratic candidates' supporters. We need to be smarter than this. We know what BErnie's "supporters" were about in 2016 Let's not get stupid twice, 'K ?

The Dems need to find a completely new candidate stat. The present field is deeply flawed. Otherwise Trump wins. Look at the UK.

My mother, who was raised Catholic, and went to Catholic schools has another take on Biden personally. She is about three years younger than Biden, and she said that when she was growing up Catholic, it was all about "fixing broken things." The orientation towards saving the world, being honorable, the notion of service, was stressed as the main component of citizenship. This was back when John 23rd was Pope, etc. Nuns were marching in Selma, and JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country..." was the "theme" of the times.

The idea that a President or a member of Congress was corrupt was a shocking thing, and while it happened, it was not widespread and definitely not to be tolerated. My Ma is not surprised that even Lindsey Graham agrees Joe Biden is not corrupt or sleazy. Biden has the same sense of duty honor and a mission to use government to help "fix broken things." She said that the elected officials who embrace the Democratic Party in general see their role as a stewardship and government as a way to help people.

She doesn't think Hunter is corrupt as much as he is misguided, and sort of desperate to measure up to the standards Beau and Joe have. The fact that Hunter is a recovering addict with a messy life really has nothing to do with his father being in government. In fact a lot of successful Wall Streeters suffer from similar problems without the added burden of reporters and cameras following them around.

Trump does have people out here stalking Hunter and paying off people to help slime him. I hope you know that it goes a lot deeper than a few phone conversations or digging up dirt in Ukraine. Trump is on a mission to destroy Hunter because that's Joe's weakness as Trump sees it. He is a ruthless, cruel, despicable piece of shit. And that is the scandal. I'm glad he got impeached and I hope we take back the Senate so we can run his ass out of town.

R224, do not even go there. "Deeply flawed?" Really? let's chart the comparisons shall we? I'm not buying the bullshit the media and the Bots are peddling. Let's take a hard look at our task. We have to remove Trump. Period. Nothing else matters. All this crap about "who can beat Trump?" is bullshit. He's a loser.Most people can't stand him. Stop giving his supporters so much credit. The only way Trump wins is if we self suppress the vote, and we don't show up. All of us. All candidates have "baggage." Media is going for spectacle and revenue. Get smart.

I don’t like him. He won’t be a good President or accomplish anything of significance.

But I will vote for him. The polls have consistently ranked him highest even before he entered the race, so it will probably be him who wins.

Biden will assemble a good team. Someone earlier mentioned that a lot of Obama people were not with Biden. It's a strange dynamic, but I've witnessed it before with other Potuses. The loyalty wasn't transferable.. Strange. But not necessarily a reflection on Biden.

Biden's VP is going to be important. Obama went with Biden for several reasons. Biden was popular in the Senate on both sides of the aisle. He understood how the politics worked, which was not Obama's strong suit. Biden was also part of the inner circle around Ted Kennedy, along with Chris Dodd and John Kerry. Kerry and Kennedy were strong early supporters of Obama's and really helped him launch.

But over the 8 years of Obama's Presidency, Joe was definitely the "ambassador" to the white working class and he helped a lot with Congress. A lot. There was nothing shady or mysterious about the Biden pick. But I will say that just as Biden had things Obama needed, Joe's VP has to be someone who has what Joe needs.

Joe will try to run the legislative on his own. He'd be wrong. He needs someone who can deal with the Senate effectively. That would be Amy. He'll need someone who is a bit more progressive and who can reassure communities of color. Kamala would do a good job with that. It's possible there are people out here we haven't thought of. I'm almost certain who ever he picks it'll be a woman. No doubt in my mind.

Yeah, he'll probably pick Kamala.

R229, there are people he could pick that have spent their lives in public service but are not politicians, like Sally Yates for example. Or people who haven’t got the name recognition to be President on their own, but are very capable. Gerald Ford was one of those people.

Usually there’s some people in Congress that are just plodding along for years, well liked and respected, but not constantly grabbing at the cameras. Biden would likely know who that was.

Gerald Ford was House minority leader. He was extremely political. Well liked by both sides but political.

But Ford wasn’t a guy that was just coasting along on his incredible charisma, if you know what I mean. He was seen as a solid guy, but no JFK.

BUT BERNIE HAS A CHANCE!!!

THE "HORSE RACE MEDIA" SAYS SO!!!!

[quote]He'll need someone who is a bit more progressive and who can reassure communities of color. Kamala would do a good job with that. It's possible there are people out here we haven't thought of. I'm almost certain who ever he picks it'll be a woman. No doubt in my mind.

I keep seeing this here. Black people did not trust Kamala Harris. She just couldn't gain their support. It says something when the white candidates like Biden, Sanders, Warren and even Booker all had more support than her.

I do agree he'll go with a woman but if he wants to strengthen that support it will not be her. I could see her as Attorney General.

I know this is a Daily Show segment but it tracks with everything that we've been hearing. These aren't people on Twitter except for maybe one of them (the youngest.) They didn't know Mayor Pete. They did not like Kamala. They did like Bernie and Elizabeth. They were indifferent about Biden.

Michael Moore: Trump Will Win in 2020 if Democrats Nominate Another ’Centrist, Moderate’ like Hillary Clinton

I stopped listening to Michael Moore when he told us Obama wouldn’t win a second term. He loves to foretell doom.

I’m almost certain he’ll pick Amy as his VP, which will be a good choice.

He already has the black vote locked up and doesn’t need a person of color to help there.

He needs maximum support in the Midwestern states, which is where she can deliver. And she knows DC and the Senate inside-out, and is easily prepared to take over when he dies suddenly.

Fuck Michael Moore. He correctly predicted Trump would win last time and thinks that makes him a genius.

While Elizabeth Warren was supporting Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush, Joe Biden was a Democratic Senator fighting for Democratic values.

While Bernie Sanders was honeymooning is Russia and supporting Communist candidates against champions of Democracy Jimmy Carter and George McGovern, Joe Biden was a Democratic Senator fighting for Democratic values.

Who are you voting for in 2020.

These ads write themselves!

Damn! Read through 240 posts only to discover I'd misread the title! I thought it said "Biden maintains huge pole."

Fuck Michael Moore. He correctly predicted Trump would win last time and thinks that makes him a genius.

At a minimum, smarter than the guy who spammed several hundred threads with a picture of Hillary and the caption "our next president, get used to it".

Most people are smarter than Hillary stans, R242.

Everyone I'm friends with, including my internist who is a big donator to Dems hated Hillary but voted for her anyway but really this woman was not liked by so many I had a sick feeling that she might lose. I voted for her holding my nose. But I would never, if someone held a gun to my head, vote for a Republican. I detest De Blasio but if he's the Dem running for mayor of NYC next time I will once again hold my nose and vote for the prick. What about people who weren't raised like me and those I'm friends with, that you never under any circumstances vote for a Republican? They were the ones I feared we would lose and we did. I actually burst into tears when they said how many Obama voters voted for Trump. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

I want Warren but I don't think she'll be a good candidate. I would happily settle for Bernie but again, same problem. I think it has to be Biden and once again, it will voting while holding my nose. I hope this time even those not crazy about him will see what damage they did last time, voting for Satan or not voting at all.

I don't think Moore had to be a genius to read the handwriting on the wall. I just kept praying my fears were unfounded but they weren't.

And never forget that Moore endorsed Ralph Nader in 2000 - giving us Bush II, the war in Iraq, and the "war on terror." He should be ashamed.

R225

Joe bragged about getting the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son FIRED!

He’s senile.

He’s covering for his son.

He is utterly corrupt.

"Donator" is a new term to me. Sir Merriam Webster confirms it though so thank you. The day wasn't totally wasted.

R226

The failure of impeachment in the Senate will be the thing that gets him re-elected.

The behavior of people that hate him has driven independent voters that disliked him in 2016 into his camp.

Biden is too compromised.

Michelle O won’t run.

Hillary won’t risk the humiliation.

Do you think any of the others have a chance of winning?

Yang probably has the strongest chance.

That is intellectually healthy, R244

Some people just need people to tell them what to do all the time. You seem like that kind of gender non-binary sheep.

“Vote Democrat, never ever look at their policies and see how they have destroyed the black community!“ is probably your slogan.

[quote]Joe bragged about getting the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son FIRED!

Aww, sweetie @ r246, you're what's known as a low information voter...or a troll.

R250

Did you watch the fucking video, you retarded moron?

Oh look the retarded moron @r251 is calling people a retarded moron. How adorable.

Please take your QAnon shit elsewhere, r251. Most of DL don't fall into the low information category that you do.

R252

If you won’t watch the video of Joe Biden saying ON CAMERA that he threatened to withhold $1B from Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating his son...you’re pathetic.

Obama wanted that prosecutor fired, you idiot. Not Joe Biden. The whole international community of our allies wanted him fired because he was a crook. Biden went over there and got it done. He did brag about it, because he was sent to get it done, BY OBAMA.

Had nothing to do with his son. At the time, the whole Ukrainian government was corrupt but that particular guy had to go.

R253, what's pathetic is that you're acting like it's some sort of a revelation. Surprise honey. It's not. What you're either too stupid to understand, which I can belive, or you're a troll, which I also can believe is that: 1) the US was but only one country that wanted the prosecutor removed (see EU, UK etc) and 2) the investigation into Burisma had stalled under the prosecutor who was removed and it was far more likely that it could have resumed under a new prosecutor.

So, I repeat, take your low information, QAnon peddling ass out of here, Rudy.

The Burisma investigation did continue under the new prosecutor. The guy Biden got rid of, sat on the Burisma investigation and stopped it.

Biden was getting rid of the guy that WOULDN’T INVESTIGATE his son’s employer.

Oh, and r253, the prosecutor wasn't investigating Hunter Biden. He was investigating Burisma for activities that occurred 2 years prior to Hunter joining the board.

Our mission in 2020 is different. In 2020 our mission is to remove Trump from office, period. We can't afford the luxury of walking away after we do that. No matter how 2020 ends up, we have to stay engaged. That means pay attention, make phone calls, and keep an eye on what's happening in Washington. No matter who is POTUS, we need to keep an eye on things. We need to pay attention to Congress, to the White House and to the cabinet. Policy is made there. So healthcare issues, Environment, gun safety, economic policy, tariffs trade wars, jobs, minimum wage, public education, all are on the radar. If things ever get back to normal again we might have the luxury of comparing Joe to BErnie, or Elizabeth to Pete. But not in 2020. Our job is to remove Trump.

Well said, R258.

To me it seems that the same crowd that wanted Hillary coronated immediately last time, are stridently championing Biden the same way now.

Biden is a second tier loser like Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, and Gore. The press and GOP will rip him to shreds.

r244 displays the true Berner move of "holding my nose" to vote for those not pure enough to "earn" his vote.

Bitch! You're voting for YOUR COUNTRY, not YOUR EGO!

LOL at the idiots that think Obama was a Saint.

The FBI memos show that he was fully aware of the spying on the Trump campaign and subsequent spying on the new presidency.

Are you people trust government the same weight North Koreans love Kim.

You would rather kill the person providing facts that dispute your beliefs, just to prevent you having to actually consider the facts.

Sad!

“Are you people trust government the same weight North Koreans love Kim.”

You are people who trust government the same way North Koreans love Kim.

Ugh. Dictation like shit. (Subtle joke)

Blocking the shill at r255 made most of the “Biden had nothing to do with Burisma” bullshit disappear.

Every independent voter paying attention is considering this corruption.

The gross appearance of massive impropriety is the main cause.

R258

Democrats should have picked a better slate of candidates.

Unless there is a total economic disaster in the next 10 months, Trump will win in a landslide reelection.

[quote] He is a doddering old fool who fumbles,stumbles and bumbles.

Thank you, Dr. Smith.

Now let's hear from the other Jupiter 7 crew members...

Oh look, more Republican talking points served as “everyone knows”.

Trump sent drunkard Rudy Giuliani to blackmail the Ukrainian government into launching a fake investigation. If that plot doesn’t smell like pure, made-up bullshit to smear Biden then you’re intentionally ignoring the obvious. The trolls are getting desperate.

R265 is too funny. Truth is now called shilling, really Rudy? You're a QAnon nut job and your ignorant ass is showing.

R260, if you can’t figure out what the issue is, you’re either not paying attention or stupid. The issue is, “Trump bad.” Not “coronating Biden.”

The reason it’s Biden and not some other, is Biden is the only one blacks will vote for. They won’t vote in large numbers for any of the others. All the other candidates are getting low black numbers, not enough to win an election.

Biden is the only one all these fragmented groups will plug their nose and vote for. Blacks claim they will never vote for Pete no matter what. Moderates claim they will never vote for Bernie no matter what. Sane people claim they won’t vote for Klobuchar no matter what. Large numbers don’t want to vote for Warren for whatever reason and she’s losing ground.

Biden is not the first choice of anyone but blacks, apparently. But he’s the “I’m not very enthusiastic, but I’ll vote for him” choice of nearly everyone.

Don’t start with that “Biden is just like Hillary, don’t vote for him” crap. Nobody believes that but Russian trolls and Republicans.

When did Blacks claim they will never vote for Pete no matter what? He's running ads with alot of Black testimonials.

[quote]He's running ads with alot of Black testimonials.

If Pete wins, we have a chance of defeating Trump. Otherwise it is Trump 2020.

I'm a recovering democrat, and Trump voter in Wisconsin. Support for Trump is still huge in this state. Working class voters want NOTHING to do with the party of corruption. This impeachment farce is gaining up new independent voters every day. I've converted several people myself. We easily see Hunter Biden's corruption and Joe's involvement. Democrats have hemmoraged millions of working class voters that are not coming back. Not women, not independents, not swing state voters. Trump is saving this country and there is no way in hell we are voting against that. He WILL win again.

[quote]Trump is saving this country and there is no way in hell we are voting against that.

Lol!

[quote]We easily see Hunter Biden's corruption and Joe's involvement.

You're not supposed to copy the Russian propaganda word for word.

R274, you win for stupidest political post of the year. Democrats are corrupt? Trump has profited from directing government events to his own properties, illegally withheld congressionally approved funds, and repeatedly offered pardons to those whole will break the law for him. You are deeply uninformed and lacking in judgment.

Dont feed the trolls

In 2015 and 2016 people voted for Trump because of a lot of reasons and also because the fucking election was stolen. But now he is President. We KNOW how he is. We know. So I have totally given up on the people who still support him. Fuck them. There aren't enough of them to make a difference. The only way he can win is if they suppress the vote and steal the election. We have to stop them. Period.

Nope. He won fair and square then and he will again. You don't understand his support. Thousands of people in Michigan waited hours in the bitter cold to see him. Several thousand in Houston last fall too, people camping overnight to get in. He has tremendous support. Russian propaganda my butt. I just earned my masters degree in IR and we extensively studied the Ukraine situation, which by the by, originally began under Bill Clinton and was fiurthered by Obama. Yes, the Biden's are corrupt as hell, there is proof, and we will be screaming it from the rooftops if Joe gets the nomination.

[quote]You don't understand his support. Thousands of people in Michigan waited hours in the bitter cold to see him. Several thousand in Houston last fall too, people camping overnight to get in. He has tremendous support.

What you're not seeing is the many thousands that stayed at home. The many thousands that will never vote for him. In the 2016 primary, Bernie was holding rallies where 10s of thousands attended, and he still lost...by a lot.

r279, r280 is right. I believe you about what you’re seeing in his base. But you’re outnumbered by millions, and we had low turnout last time.

Also, riddle me this.....if I grant you that the Biden’s are corrupt, tell me what in the fuck that has to do with Trump pressuring a foreign country to meddle in our election? I’ll wait.

R273. Delusional Karen.

R272 Pete Buttigieg wins the endorsement of “One of Longest Serving African American Legislators in Iowa.”

R283. Who cares.

Only a deluded fool would look at 3,000 people and predict a landslide..... LOLOL!

Hunter Biden was offered a job and he took it. EOS.

Pete Buttigieg Blasts Joe Biden’s Iraq War Vote as ‘The Worst Foreign Policy Decision’ of ‘My Lifetime’

“I certainly respect the vice president but this is an example of why years in Washington is not always the same thing as judgment,” Buttigieg told Iowa Press on Iowa Public Television. “He supported the worst foreign policy decision made by the United States in my lifetime, which was the decision to invade Iraq.”

R287 Pete's right.

And Pete still has zero experience in foreign policy.

R289 apparently, neither does Joe Biden from his Iraq war vote.

Pete served. Joe didn’t.

Obama had no experience except on the Foreign Relations committee in the Senate. And he never served. But he voted against the Iraq war. But the fact of the matter is, using the Iraq war vote as some kind of litmus test is bullshit. Very few Senators voted against the war. Public opinion, the 9/11 attack, Colin Powell appearing before the UN with photos...just like Adlai Stevenson famously did during the Cuban Missile crisis, etc. voting against the war was hard. I don't fault anyone who voted for that war. At the time, most members of Congress, from both parties wanted to unite and support the President.

Biden can be Pete’s VP, but he certainly does not have what it takes to be president. Too damn confused half the time.

Biden’s running because he doesn’t have anything else to do.

Well, I'm glad Biden's running and I intend to vote for him, because I am determined to remove Trump and the majority of American voters share that view. If Biden were not running at all, we'd be dealing with Bernie and my stomach could not take it. And if Bernie were the nominee I'd slit my wrists.

The Democratic candidates who have voted “yes” on the Iraq War... John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton...both lost their Presidential bids (Hillary twice).

Nominate Joe Biden at your own peril. Remember he’s already run twice before and failed.

I'm so sick of being afraid Trump will win. Whichever Democrat gets nominated we all agree to vote for that person. Come on! None of them, including Bernie and Warren are worse than Trump. Please! Let's just put an end to this before we end up in a dictatorship. Look what Trump and McConnell and the other fuckers have dared to do since 2016. Imagine what they will do when they have nothing to fear. Don't forget to vote out your Republican Senator and Congressperson too and if you can to donate to Democrats not running in your state.

This is a full out war. We must do whatever we can, even if we hate the Democrats running. Vote like it's your last time to do so. If we don't get Democrats winning everywhere, it might be.

[quote]None of them, including Bernie and Warren are worse than Trump.

Bernie is worse.

R297 Out Devil, Out.

R296. No one likes you an hysterical queen.

I blame Obama for the scourge that is Biden. Obama should’ve picked a running mate that could carry the party forward after he was gone. That’s not Biden. No one cared about tongue tied Joe. Now we’re forced to care about the two time loser now.

Biden maintains a huge pole as hard as lead?

[quote]Obama should’ve picked a running mate that could carry the party forward after he was gone. That’s not Biden. No one cared about tongue tied Joe.

The time for Biden to “carry the party forward” would have been in 2016, when he was still Vice President. He should have run then.

Instead we got Hillary who failed, and now Biden has decided it’s his time to try again.

Below is why Biden is so stupidly dangerous and I won’t vote for him in the primary and I hope Pete is the nominee.

.@JoeBiden was asked if he would consider choosing a Republican running mate if he is nominee for a show-of-force unity ticket:

“I would” Biden said but added he couldn’t think of anyone at the moment.

Trump is America’s Most Admired Man for First Time, Ties With Obama in Annual Gallup Poll

President Donald Trump tied with former President Barack Obama as the most admired man in America this year, according to a Gallup poll published on Monday.

Eighteen percent of U.S. adults polled chose President Trump, while 18 percent chose former President Obama.

Unsurprisingly, Trump was most popular among Republicans, while Obama was most popular among Democrats, with independents split between the two.

It’s the 12th time that Obama has been listed as the most admired man of the year, however it’s the first time President Trump has earned the title.

“After Obama and Trump, no other man was mentioned by more than 2% of respondents. The remainder of the top 10 for men this year includes former President Jimmy Carter, businessman Elon Musk, philanthropist and Microsoft founder Bill Gates, Pope Francis, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, California Rep. Adam Schiff, the Dalai Lama, and investor Warren Buffett,” Gallup explained, adding, “Eleven percent of Americans named a relative or friend as the man they admire most; 18% named some other living man; and 25% did not name anyone.”

Biden doesn't make the cut, though Bernie did.

Bogus poll. Trump Can’t crack to 50% approval and he was impeached and he’s supposed to be admired I don’t think so.

R303 can you imagine if any other candidate said that? If it was Pete, he and Chasten would have to escape the country by secret helicopter at night just to avoid losing his head in a mob attack.

R274 I wanted to ask how you're dealing with the fallout of Foxcomm in Wisconsin? Billions in tax breaks for a Chinese company that has produced almost no jobs. PSYCH! Maybe your business friendly former governor was the crook you should have been paying attention to, instead of fantasizing what's happening with someone who's not even in politics?

Progressives on twitter are so beyond triggered by Pete that they are now willing to categorize the Iraq War as a well intentioned ‘oopsie’

Isn’t “voting against the war” one of Bernie’s big selling points. Why would Progressives be against that?

New National Morning Consult Poll:

Biden (32%), Bernie (21%), Warren (14%), Buttigieg (8%) and Bloomberg (6%)

R308, get back to me when Pete is polling over 20%, then we can talk.

If anyone is old enough to remember Biden's first two runs at the WH, his campaigns were illiterately ineffectual. Biden's running as a grudge against Trump. That's not good enough. Obama's coattails are only so long. I'm not interested in a candidate that will compromise with the vile and corrupt Republicans. If I wanted that, I might as well vote for Trump. And that ain't never going to happen.

[quote]Obama's coattails are only so long.

Obama is supporting Warren anyway.

R313 does he even like Warren? I know he definitely hates Bernie...

[quote]does he even like Warren? I know he definitely hates Bernie...

“He obviously thinks she’s very smart,” one Democratic donor told The Hill. “He thinks her policy ideas matter. And I think he sees her running the campaign with the most depth.”

R313 No fucking way Obama thinks Elizabeth Warren has a chance in hell of winning a General against Trump. The candidate most like him politically and speaks eloquently like him is Pete.

The Warren trolls are out, trying to convince us that Obama supports her....NOT!

New Rasmussen national poll (C+ rating). Wouldn't normally post it, but with this death of polling...

Biden 30% (-7 from beginning of December)

Warren 16% (+1)

Buttigieg 12% (-)

Sanders 11% (-3)

Klobuchar 10% (?)

Yang 6% (+4)

8% someone else

6% undecided

Amy is the best choice. She will definitely be Biden’s VP pick if she’s not the candidate herself.

*I meant dearth, not death, obviously

r319 Nah, he has way better choices. Doubt she'll be the nominee because she has near zero ground game outside Iowa.

I think if Obama was saying something nice about Elizabeth, it was his subtle way of encouraging people who support Bernie to take another look at Warren. Because honestly, people are alarmed about the amount of money Bernie is raising and it is very suspicious, IMO. No way and 80 Socialist will ever beat Trump.

A fight is about to break out in the nursing home.

Bernie and Warren would lose 40 states.

Oh please, if Bernie somehow wins the nomination the Democrats will suffer their biggest landslide defeat since 1972.

Fuck you Bernie.

Sanders will do anything to undermine the Democratic Party of which he is not a member.

[quote]Democrats should have picked a better slate of candidates.

What are you TALKING ABOUT?

Nobody PICKS candidates, they volunteer and then people VOTE which NO ONE has done yet! Who exactly did you want in the race who isn't running?

R324 speaks the truth. I was 15, a teenager scared about the draft in 1972. I remember what happened to McGovern. And coincidently this was Nixon's 2nd term when he had his ratfuckers manipulating the electoral process. They were scared of Muskie. He could have beat Nixon. They wanted to run against McGovern. They knew he was too far Left. And they kicked his ass.

As I stated before I was a former Democrat for almost 30 years. Don't care for many establishment Republicans. Walker was not only stupid but a disaster. He had to go. I voted for Evers. As did many Trump voters here.. Trump's populism is what we support more than the typical Republican establishment per se.