The gay left hates and wants to persecute orthodox Christians, however much good they do. And they’ve taken over the movement. via @nbcnews
Andrew Sullivan: Gay Left hates and wants to persecute Christians
by Anonymous | reply 218 | December 16, 2019 5:46 AM |
Oh for the love of Pete!
by Anonymous | reply 1 | December 5, 2019 10:43 AM |
Andrew, stop pigsplaining for the rest of us, will ya?
Thanks, doll.
Love ya!
Mean it this time
by Anonymous | reply 2 | December 5, 2019 10:49 AM |
I mean, it's Andrew Sullivan; truly one of the most tired, and ugliest, queens in the history of mankind. Moving on.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | December 5, 2019 10:53 AM |
Milky Loads!
by Anonymous | reply 4 | December 5, 2019 10:54 AM |
I’m not reading sully but the definition of “Christian” means a lot of things to a lot of people. That’s the problem right there.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | December 5, 2019 10:59 AM |
I hate and want to persecute Andrew Sullivan. Who’s in?
by Anonymous | reply 6 | December 5, 2019 11:19 AM |
He's spot on! And far worse, while fetishising homo-murdering Muslim societies.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | December 5, 2019 11:23 AM |
R7 Who let you out of your cell, Milo? Be gone before somebody drops a house on you.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | December 5, 2019 11:25 AM |
Why does anyone at all listen to anything Andrew Sullivan says?
He's been irrelevant for a decade. If, that is, he was ever relevant.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | December 5, 2019 11:25 AM |
R8 Gay Left lunatics just can't help outing themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | December 5, 2019 11:31 AM |
I wish.
Xtianity and all religion should be illegal.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | December 5, 2019 11:32 AM |
R11, you need Jesus.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | December 5, 2019 12:04 PM |
Jesus has come for you, R11.
He is risen.
Are you up to the challenge?
by Anonymous | reply 13 | December 5, 2019 12:07 PM |
I wish you'd stop posting here, Andrew. You briefly irritate a couple of Dataloungers and are then immediately forgotten. Get a hobby and stop wasting your time.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | December 5, 2019 12:12 PM |
Hates - yes
Persecution - no
by Anonymous | reply 15 | December 5, 2019 12:13 PM |
By forcing them to make wedding cakes for them.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | December 5, 2019 12:14 PM |
Blocked r13. Good to identify who the demon-possessed blasphemer is.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | December 5, 2019 12:15 PM |
R17 I am DEFINITELY the demon-possessed blasphemer.
And Jesus loves me for it! ✝️
by Anonymous | reply 18 | December 5, 2019 12:23 PM |
[quote]Xtianity and all religion should be illegal.
As should be the Aguilera fangirl misspelling of Xianity.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | December 5, 2019 12:57 PM |
R17, ugh, aunt pitta pat needs to get laid
by Anonymous | reply 20 | December 5, 2019 12:59 PM |
Pete needs to up the Christian card to make up for how he loves dick up his ass.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | December 5, 2019 1:04 PM |
Pete is politically smart and knows how to win in swing states. He wisely ignores the frothy-mouthed radical fringe that couldn’t win dog catcher and seems to relish being out of touch With and opposed by mainstream America.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | December 5, 2019 1:09 PM |
R13 whoever made that certainly made a hell of a mistake. I see an uncut dick and Jesus was Hebrew and Jewish. Heresy! And that jerk Pete Buttigieg... somebody needs to punch him in his face and kick him in his balls. And don't be trolling or hating on me!
by Anonymous | reply 23 | December 5, 2019 1:18 PM |
Go back to LeftBehind, heathen r17! You're not wanted here.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | December 5, 2019 1:19 PM |
The Passion of the Cock at R13.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | December 5, 2019 2:43 PM |
Well, it is true. It’s high time they do feel persecuted after persecuting us for so many years.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | December 5, 2019 2:46 PM |
Agree, R26. It’s so interesting how the Salem witch hunts ended as soon as the people who were burning accused witches were accused of witchcraft themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | December 5, 2019 2:52 PM |
Unbelievable (and quite thrilling) that a little gay boy from a small mid-western town could be such a big threat! I am loving it.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | December 5, 2019 2:56 PM |
Every year, the Salvation Army sends me a postage-paid donation envelope, and every year I send it back with a printed news story about their discriminatory practices and “NO” written on the donation amount line.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | December 5, 2019 2:59 PM |
Sullivan is an erratic, high strung, worrywort. I do think that at this point in modern Western history, Christianity progresses. The bounce back from the "missionary lands" continues to change the nature of mainline churches (the largest Presbyterian church is in Seoul Korea, the African bishops move the Anglican communion to the Right, evangelical Kenyans ask for the death penalty for gay men). But there will be an adjustment, and the current "Evangelical Pentecostal prosperity-gospel Christianist proto-fascist movement" will be exposed not as "Christianity", but rather a political movement.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | December 5, 2019 3:00 PM |
R29, every year that goes back and forth?
by Anonymous | reply 31 | December 5, 2019 3:01 PM |
Is it possible the medications he has taken have altered his personality?
by Anonymous | reply 32 | December 5, 2019 3:02 PM |
Here's the direct link to what Sullivan said on his Twitter feed.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | December 5, 2019 3:03 PM |
What Sullivan has said about Buttigieg (April 2019 in NyMag.com)
[quote] I met Buttigieg in the Real Time green room. Impressive, calm, open — but no Obama. Maybe that aura and an elusive sense of authority will grow, as his confidence does. And, of course, Buttigieg’s emergence has a personal salience for me. He is, quite simply, what many of us in my generation of gays fought for and rarely believed could happen: He is proud to be gay but not defined by it, happily married, a veteran, wickedly smart, and completely integrated.
[quote] When I read some LGBTQ activists push back on him for not being gay or “intersectional” enough, it depresses me beyond measure. His candidacy is as historic as Obama’s. His potential presidency even more so. That so many see him as a credible, formidable candidate is a reminder that in America, we can still unite in a more humane consensus. Trump has eclipsed that possibility in a welter of poison. Buttigieg quite simply rescues it again.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | December 5, 2019 3:19 PM |
[quote]He is, quite simply, what many of us in my generation of gays fought for
Yes, it is.
So lie and say he is just as good as Obama.
As Gay Men it's our job to run interference for Pete.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | December 5, 2019 3:22 PM |
He's right. Fuck the Church, it's up to the Gay Left to remove the USA from the stranglehold of crazy christianity.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | December 5, 2019 3:34 PM |
[quote]Jesus has come for you, [R11].
Pics please.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | December 5, 2019 3:36 PM |
[quote]however much good they do
The “good they do” is always conditional.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | December 5, 2019 3:37 PM |
R37 See R13
by Anonymous | reply 39 | December 5, 2019 3:37 PM |
god I wish, we should persecute Christians
by Anonymous | reply 40 | December 5, 2019 3:40 PM |
I know plenty of straight people who have had it with religion trying to force themselves on everyone. It isn't just gays.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | December 5, 2019 3:40 PM |
Andrew Sullivan, who has been telling Americans what to do and how to think for years and years, only became an American citizen in 2017. He can go fuck himself.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | December 5, 2019 3:41 PM |
My problem with attacking the Salvation Army, is that they do provide their services without discrimination, it is only within their actual church that they discriminate. In many places they are the only organization capable of helping the homeless. I can’t feel good boycotting them for being anti-gay when boycotting them might result in a homeless person dying on the street because they aren’t there to help, that person could be LGBT. If they were turning away LGBT people it would be a different story. As I believe in the rights of the Constitution, I believe that LGBT people have the right to be LGBT, but religious institutions, also have the right to believe whatever they want and act accordingly. It is a balancing act, everyone should have maximum freedom, as long as it doesn’t negatively impact other people’s freedom.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | December 5, 2019 3:58 PM |
Here is an example of the Salvation Army's PR people pandering to the gays and the world after so much bad press about its stinking homophobia.
R43, I hardly think a gay boycott will result in a homeless person dying on the street. How much money, power, and influence do you think gay people have?
by Anonymous | reply 44 | December 5, 2019 4:02 PM |
Agree with R43. Salvation Army does deliver important services (shelter, food) in the central city, and other impoverished neighborhoods. They have anti-gay views in their doctrine. So do orthodox Jewish traditions, conservative Muslim traditions, evangelical Christian churches, Amish, etc etc. Salvation Army does, however, focus on the most impoverished, those most in need. I value what they door for the poor, and abhor their cultural rightwing doctrine.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | December 5, 2019 4:06 PM |
And if you live in a semi-decent city, there are other organizations that do work specifically for the gay community, or who at least don't discriminate. I prefer to give them my donations instead.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | December 5, 2019 4:09 PM |
I agree with R46 and do the same. As for Pete, I just think he looks stupid with that red apron over his suit. It's a rather forced photo op.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | December 5, 2019 4:11 PM |
Sorry, I meant over his coat. An even dumber look. At least take off your coat and stay a while, Mayor Pete!
by Anonymous | reply 48 | December 5, 2019 4:12 PM |
He’s outside in the cold!
by Anonymous | reply 49 | December 5, 2019 4:41 PM |
Pete is so adorable in OPs photo.😍
by Anonymous | reply 50 | December 5, 2019 4:42 PM |
Pete knew if he ever wanted to seek office that he'd have to be a veteran and a Christian in order to counteract his homosexuality in the eyes of the voter.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | December 5, 2019 5:21 PM |
I think he’s a sincere Christian, but there is no doubt being a Christian helps him politically. It’s virtually impossible to become President as a nonChristian
by Anonymous | reply 52 | December 5, 2019 5:43 PM |
Even though, R52, they can have numerous affairs and be recorded saying they grab women by the pussy. That's okay.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | December 5, 2019 5:54 PM |
[quote] The gay left hates and wants to persecute orthodox Christians, however much good they do.
Still struggling to figure out what good they do exactly.
ISn't it normal to hate the people who want to stone you to death?
by Anonymous | reply 54 | December 5, 2019 6:17 PM |
Organized Xtians in US dedicated all their efforts for a decade to banning us having the right to marry.
Not to eliminating poverty or improving the country or helping others... but that ONE issue.
Nothing else.
I'd be chill with any persecution of them.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | December 5, 2019 6:22 PM |
I'm certainly not going to click on the OP's link, but I'll simply say that the "gay left" only wants to "persecute" those "Christians" who want to persecute gay people and/or deny them their civil rights.
END OF F&!KING STORY.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | December 5, 2019 6:22 PM |
Episcopal/Anglican churches enjoy raping the kiddies, too. More good Christians!
by Anonymous | reply 62 | December 5, 2019 6:23 PM |
The only reason Andrew Sullivan ever had a platform was because he was a gay man the conservatives and Republicans could use to provide some semblance of diversity and to use him to support anti-gay policies. (SEE! Even a gay man says gay marriage is wrong!)
Plus, bizarrely, he is a staunch supporter of the Catholic church. You know, that church that denounces homosexuality and gay marriage and allowed centuries of child abuse.
He is a provocateur, no more, no less. He's intellectually dishonest, morally corrupt, and should be deported from this country.
Hope you read this Andrew you piece of shit human being.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | December 5, 2019 6:24 PM |
Real Christians who follow Jesus Christ’s teachings of tolerance, compassion, loving neighbors, they...uh...they um, they really love this racist, daughter-fucking, porn star-renting criminal, don’t they?
by Anonymous | reply 64 | December 5, 2019 6:25 PM |
“Anderson pastors Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. He gained national attention for celebrating the June 2016 Pulse massacre, where 49 people were killed and 53 injured in an attack at an LGBTQ nightclub in Orlando.”
What a good Christian.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | December 5, 2019 6:27 PM |
Nonsense Mr Sullivan. They couldn’t give a flying fuck about them.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | December 5, 2019 6:28 PM |
Every good Christian minister needs a little incest in his life.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | December 5, 2019 6:28 PM |
The good Christians let this good Christian pastor who raped his 14-year-old daughter off easy.
Jesus is proud!!
by Anonymous | reply 69 | December 5, 2019 6:29 PM |
I wish we would stop comparing everyone who is a candidate to Obama. Obama wasn't even "Obama" enough at first. He grew into it. Pete is Pete, and he keeps getting better. This is a different time and, I believe, that in this era of Trump, the challenges are far greater than Obama had when he ran. I think Pete is up to the challenge and is in the race for all the right reasons. One thing, Obama had/has, is that undefinable "it" factor and a trailblazer. So does/is Pete. So in that way they are similar. Other than that, let Pete fly on his own.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | December 5, 2019 6:32 PM |
[quote] Organized Xtians in US dedicated all their efforts for a decade to banning us having the right to marry. Not to eliminating poverty or improving the country or helping others... but that ONE issue.
Don't disregard their fervor so easily, r60! They also went to Uganda to fund and support their "Kill the Gays" movement.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | December 5, 2019 6:34 PM |
I am so tired of these queens from the UK always coming to America to tell us whats wrong with us. And they always get it wrong! They seem hardwired to hate progressives and then begrudgingly they made a mistake years later after they put people like Bush or Trump in the White House. They don't understand in this country its the opposite of what they knew growing up on the other side of the pond.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | December 5, 2019 6:47 PM |
R48 One of the things that really annoys me about Pete is his campaigning in a dress shirt, tie, and no coat. It looks like a Sunday School teacher in 1964. It communicates "uptight" (the tie and expanse of white shirt) and "no stature" (the lack of a coat). He should be doing the more generational appropriate look, like Yang, sport coat and no tie. He needs the coat to show he has gravitas and the no-tie to demonstrate he isn't an appliance salesman at Sears.
R53 Trump is not a Christian in any sense... and the "disruption" of Trump being worshipped as God's Chosen One by the Christianist Right will 1) destroy them as a political and cultural force or 2) doom democracy for the next century. 2 will happen if Trump wins again. Everything must be focused on beating him Nov 2020.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | December 5, 2019 6:48 PM |
“It looks like a Sunday School teacher in 1964.“
He was born in 1982, so that seems appropriately retro.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | December 5, 2019 6:49 PM |
R60, see R19.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | December 5, 2019 7:08 PM |
No he should not wear a jacket, that would just make him look even more "white privilege guy" to the black voters who still are hung up about him being gay using that race thing to cover that up. With just the shirt, he is white working class regular guy.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | December 5, 2019 7:08 PM |
R77 not the dress shirt and the tie. That makes him even more white. He looks like a fucking Mormon missionary - where's the bike.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | December 5, 2019 7:40 PM |
[quote] The only reason Andrew Sullivan ever had a platform was because he was a gay man the conservatives and Republicans could use to provide some semblance of diversity and to use him to support anti-gay policies. (SEE! Even a gay man says gay marriage is wrong!)
Give the devil his due. He argued and fought with conservatives about the good that gay marriage would bring us even before mainstream (left-wing?) gay rights groups wanted to discuss the issue. At the time, they were more interested in passing nondiscrimination laws.
From wiki-
[quote] Sullivan wrote the first major article in the United States advocating for gay people to be given the right to marry, published in The New Republic in 1989.
Since 1989.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | December 5, 2019 8:05 PM |
Does Andrew realize the only people who say 'woke' anymore are angry old racists like him as they complain about Kids Today.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | December 5, 2019 9:13 PM |
R81 Interesting, eh? "Woke" linguistically went in record speed from an authentic descriptor to a pejorative.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | December 5, 2019 9:16 PM |
Andrew Sullivan only went to live in the USA because his type of demanding, tedious shit stirring is not appreciated in the UK. He is a publicity whore par excellence, and this latest stunt is because he hadn’t been in the papers for a while. Ignore.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | December 5, 2019 9:24 PM |
I worked with him at The New Republic and I can say that he is a nasty twat. An arrogant, self-important prick.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | December 5, 2019 9:25 PM |
R80 - I call bullshit on that. He probably edits his own Wiki - he doesn't get credit from me for the gay marriage movement. Sorry. He's not that influential and there were thousands involved.
I don't see any evidence of gays arguing with conservatives for gay rights producing any advancement in the Republican party. Log Cabin has been a stunning failure across the board.
He's a shit-stirrer. He deserves hatred and shunning. Like Trump. He doesn't really believe what he says, he just writes and says stuff to get attention.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | December 5, 2019 10:06 PM |
R80: Yeah, those stupid anti-discrimination laws. Who needs em! Stupid left wing time wasters. Now we can get married and legally be fired for it in 27 states with no recourse to protection or compensation. All hail the gay right wing!
Seriously, have a seat.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | December 5, 2019 10:24 PM |
I thought he died ten years ago.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | December 5, 2019 10:25 PM |
I
GIVE
MILKY
LOADS
AND I
TAKE
MILKY
LOADS
by Anonymous | reply 88 | December 5, 2019 10:27 PM |
Agree r73. The slavish devotion to the aristocracy is baked in. They don’t think it’s odd.
I vote for Andrew Sullivan’s compulsory repatriation. We have had sufficient of his idiotic nonsense spouted in a convincing tone. He always sounds like Turley, who also spreads a bunch of bullshit but sounds somewhat reasonable.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | December 5, 2019 10:32 PM |
He's basically correct.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | December 5, 2019 10:37 PM |
by Anonymous | reply 92 | December 5, 2019 10:43 PM |
Hmm, Pete seems to have quite big feets. You know what that means. No wonder Chasten always has a big smile on his face.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | December 5, 2019 10:50 PM |
How tall is he?
by Anonymous | reply 95 | December 5, 2019 10:53 PM |
Is Sullivan a good bottom? Who’s had him?
by Anonymous | reply 97 | December 5, 2019 11:09 PM |
He’s basically a jackass.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | December 5, 2019 11:09 PM |
He's so gross--he's always been a huge self-promoter.
I've known him since he was a graduate student. He was creepy then and creepy now.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | December 5, 2019 11:33 PM |
He used to hang around Rockbar. A friend of mine told me he was gonna fuck him but Andrew was such a pointlessly argumentative prick, he walked away.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | December 6, 2019 1:36 AM |
I don't like name-calling, but Andrew Sullivan is a douche.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | December 6, 2019 1:36 AM |
That's hardly true, R81.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | December 6, 2019 2:17 AM |
Wow, what a pile-on of bitchery!
I've had plenty of issues with what Sullivan has written and said, but get a grip, gurls. First, he's not as bad as Trump, FFS. And he was at the forefront of same sex marriage, and from the beginning, and that can be proven.
Really--you bitches are as bad as the Kevin Sessums haters!
by Anonymous | reply 103 | December 6, 2019 2:21 AM |
R102 I agree. When I hear use of "woke" I think uneducated or undereducated people who can't use proper vocabulary and syntax. That doesn't apply to any particular generation or demographic.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | December 6, 2019 2:23 AM |
R103, simply because Sullivan is gay and not as bad as President Trump does not mean we need to worship him, suck his dick with ammoniated foreskin and not tell the truth on him.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | December 6, 2019 2:25 AM |
The term "woke" has a definite meaning. First, it was used by people who considered themselves particularly aware in a way that they thought others weren't. Now it's often used to deride these people, and often that derision is justified.
R105, I don't think anyone is saying anyone should "worship him, suck his dick with ammoniated foreskin" or anything else.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | December 6, 2019 2:27 AM |
R106, I generally agree with your latter statement. I included an amusing tidbit because it was a joke on the cancelled comedy "The Big Gay Sketch Show". Please see R103. My post was primarily intended as a reply to R103's harsh comments about alleged unfair treatment of Sullivan. R103's opinions lack merit and it's nothing personal. Generally, Sullivan is a cad. The trend in this thread, his Wikipedia bio and commentary published elsewhere support that humble opinion. Thanks,
R105
by Anonymous | reply 107 | December 6, 2019 2:37 AM |
How do my opinions "lack merit", R107? People have said things like he's as bad as Trump, and he lies about his stance on same-sex marriage years ago. I would say those comments lack merit, or to be even more candid, they're untrue.
I've made harsh comments? This thread is nothing but harsh comments--isn't that why we're here? I can understand holding Sullivan accountable for his neo-con attitudes, but not everything he's said has been wrong over these many years and he just doesn't deserve the vitriol quite rightly given to Milo, for instance.
Perspective, please.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | December 6, 2019 2:46 AM |
And we would be better off with non-discrimination laws.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | December 6, 2019 5:13 AM |
I loathe Ms. Sullivan and wish huh nothing but the worst. Crackwhore skank is not half as smart as she thinks she is, and she is only “famous” because she is “our” Mann Coulter. Meaty Ogre thinker who is a token. I only hope someone drops a house on huh Uncle Tom ass soon. I cannot watch any program that includes huh ugly mug. Eww.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | December 6, 2019 7:14 AM |
Mann Coulter? Bwah Ha, Ha!
by Anonymous | reply 111 | December 6, 2019 7:32 AM |
You tell him, Cunty R110!
by Anonymous | reply 112 | December 6, 2019 11:12 AM |
R110, you have issues man. You’re filled with poisonous hate and type like a nasty drag queen.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | December 6, 2019 11:42 AM |
Awww, R113, you say that like it’s a bad thing? Lol
by Anonymous | reply 114 | December 6, 2019 2:40 PM |
Oh it is
by Anonymous | reply 115 | December 6, 2019 2:49 PM |
R110=pure Datalounge.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | December 6, 2019 3:22 PM |
R116 I always am interested in how extremes and outliers are so readily proposed as "typical" - this amusing "poisonous queen" diatribe is representative of .004% of DL postings, yet is "purely" emblematic. ??
by Anonymous | reply 117 | December 6, 2019 3:45 PM |
R110 Is a pathetic person. So sad
by Anonymous | reply 118 | December 6, 2019 3:51 PM |
Darling R117, this is a site known for its pointless bitchery. Anyone as virulently hateful as R110 is truly DL at its most vitriolic. Purity in any form is rare.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | December 6, 2019 3:53 PM |
R110, wouldn't the "crackwhore skank" title go to Kevin Sessums?
by Anonymous | reply 120 | December 6, 2019 3:55 PM |
R120, what's the deal about this Kevin person? I'm not queer-obsessed. The info I found said he's about 63, a Southern author who was banned from Facebook for a day for criticizing Trump, he's HIV+ and admitted to using meth. Anything else?
by Anonymous | reply 121 | December 6, 2019 4:06 PM |
Now Liz is going after Pete. It’s really killing these fools that this guy is beating them. Pete calls them out and they have nothing to shoot back with. Liz’s ass is still chapped after Pete called out her healthcare plan. It’s hilarious.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | December 6, 2019 4:13 PM |
Lol@R118. Are you new here, dahlink? Did you notice the sign on the way in?
by Anonymous | reply 124 | December 6, 2019 4:20 PM |
R122 thanks, you're a gem. Drugs are bad. Didn't think I'd care for the guy.
R121
by Anonymous | reply 125 | December 6, 2019 4:25 PM |
I have an important question: can someone bring me up to speed on how Andrew Sullivan came by his "Milky Loads" moniker? Many thanks.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | December 6, 2019 4:38 PM |
If only there was a way to look up shit on the Internet...
by Anonymous | reply 127 | December 6, 2019 4:43 PM |
This will give him street cred among flyovers. Very strategic. He can always just apologize to appease leftist radicals. Its hard to condemn charity and the overall intention was good. Go Pete.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | December 6, 2019 4:47 PM |
R127 thanks. I'll post this true tea again. Sort of reminiscent of the nice, older man who invited me over for a sex date a few days in advance. He was sweet in bed and asked me to sleep over, a great memory. Of course we used condoms. A short time later, by coincidence I found his profile on another site. Said he wanted to walk into a dark bedroom to find a guy face down in a pillow, ass up, fuck him bare, deposit a load with no talking and leave. I was shocked. Sullivan is also an awful hypocrite. Fuck him and not the good way.
R107
by Anonymous | reply 130 | December 6, 2019 4:55 PM |
Everyone should respond to his Twitter post at r33 with a comment about milky loads
by Anonymous | reply 131 | December 6, 2019 8:51 PM |
Datalounge has been calling him out for years
by Anonymous | reply 132 | December 6, 2019 8:52 PM |
She gets screechy if you bring up the Milky Loads thing.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | December 7, 2019 11:04 AM |
QAF even did an episode featuring a moralizing gay conservative pundit whom Ted finds plowing asses at a bareback orgy.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | December 7, 2019 3:31 PM |
Pete knows exactly what he is doing at every turn. His team, I believe, is some of the best and brightest out there. I realized that when they immediately bought Biden's flubbed web address in one of the earlier debates within a nano-second of him fumbling the address. To win, he must appeal to middle American Christians who are not exactly pro gay, but also don't spend much time thinking about gays in general. As many have said, the Christianity, solid marriage, reliability, moderate policies are what, I'm guessing, these people want. Even his white shirt/tie, schlubby style is really what the every day, middle class office worker wears. In the early days, Tom Ford offered to provide complete wardrobes and styling for Pete/Chasten, which it looks like they didn't take him up on. That was a smart move. Looking like that Conde Nast instaho couple (I've seen one in particular referenced here on DL) would not at all be relatable to most and turn off. Could you imagine Pete/Chasten w/ monogrammed Vuitton gym duffels and furry Gucci slippers (at least in the public arena)? Even Pete's campaign logo has a nostalgic "Take me out to the ballgame for crackerjacks" feel good, kind of vibe. He and his team are handling everything brilliantly, IMHO. I think most can all agree it is such a wonderful and unexpected surprise that he has made it this far with a continued upward trajectory. The hate will continue to increase the higher he rises, which is expected. Earnestness is kryptonite to the ironic.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | December 7, 2019 4:41 PM |
R136 I appreciate your observations, but I think Pete's "second act" hasn't been all that smart. I judge that as a "white, graduate degree, economically comfortable, progressive" voter - who donated $ several times to him last Spring as he was launching. I am the demographic that has been the engine of his support. But his pivot to "the centrist lane", his wooden responses to voters of color (the campaign let the "white privileged male who is tone-deaf to people of color with a bad track record" - they let that go on too long, perhaps with irreparable damage. No response that limited the spread of that image, nothing effective. Save perhaps only last week's visit to Rev Barber - too little, too late). And has lost me. If Pete's choices and campaign have lost a vote like me, I'd say it's not been that effective.
Maybe there's a Third Act that can get a voter like me back... time will tell.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | December 7, 2019 5:08 PM |
As the Christian gay here, it is quite true that y'all hate us.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | December 7, 2019 5:09 PM |
The feeling is mutual, r138.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | December 7, 2019 5:15 PM |
I get it, R137. What is he to do? POC, what does Pete need to do to do for you feel better about him personally? Is it too late for him in your eyes? I do recall that when the African American community voted against Prop 8, this questions was asked to either Al Sharpton or Rev Jesse Jackson on NPR I think. Their response was that the gay community had needed to spend more focus in African American churches to convey the message, really targeting that demo with information, which they felt we had not given enough attention to. Someone else said that maybe Pete just needs to focus on all the white voters on the fence. With their support that might carry him.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | December 7, 2019 5:47 PM |
R140 Prop 8 has nothing to do with Pete and his effective outreach to voters of color. That "we" (I am a white gay man) ascribe homophobia as a root of the problem, is itself part of the problem.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | December 7, 2019 8:30 PM |
What is the problem, R141? I am asking sincerely and not w/ snark.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | December 7, 2019 8:50 PM |
R141 Pete’s handling of the situation with a white cop killing a black man a few months back is what is burying him with black voters. As much as people like to cover their ears and make up fake stats, law enforcement is a SERIOUS problem for black people and is an issue that most black people would be a “single issue voter” over.
The way people try to treat the black community as a monolith is also a problem. White people have no problem differentiating themselves between liberals and MAGAtards, conservative Christian and atheist, etc, etc. Homophobia isn’t an issue in the black community, it’s an issue in America. There’s more white people in middle America and sprinkled in the big cities that display homophobic tendencies than in the black community, guaranteed.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | December 8, 2019 2:42 AM |
R134, thanks for posting that photo. I don't understand how an unattractive man like him got in a widespread ad campaign. Maybe it was due to his visibility in the community?
To be fair, Sullivan's ad predated the gay HIV/AIDS crisis by about 18 years. Bi and gay men started getting sick and going to their graves in the 1970s. The CDC first published in 1981 or so. HIV/AIDS was in the USA before it received attention from the medical community and long before the general public knew. Thank goodness I avoided it and STIs. If anyone is sexually active, proper use of condoms is a requirement.
I won't pontificate. but generally, today's generations believe antibiotics, antivirals, and PReP will protect them. Nothing could be further from the truth. A "super strain" of HIV that rapidly progresses to AIDS has been discovered in Cuba. Why there, I have no idea. That's well beyond my expertise. It's too late for Sullivan and many other. Sullivan is a cad.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | December 8, 2019 2:58 AM |
Apologies for not scrolling thru, but R6 and any other like you really ought to take the hint from Leader Pelosi. “Hate” is a word we should really be working to remove from our vocabulary.
Even if you’re a fucking Baptist, you shouldn’t be looking up from your bingo card to spout off how much you hate some frau or queen or tranny. Just don’t.
And Methodists should just be happy they’ve got some other poor dead soul to drink with
Or is it the other way around. Fuck it. Just don’t hate.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | December 8, 2019 2:59 AM |
Fat bald pig who takes milky loads from all comers under the Provincetown boardwalk.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | December 8, 2019 3:01 AM |
R145, thanks, I agree. Hate and anger make people sick physically and emotionally. I know that not because it's any fictional religious text, but because I experienced it, got myself treated and recovered.
My mother and I were Catholic. Catholics loved their bingo! Don't know about today. One of my grandmothers was Methodist. The Methodist religion does not permit its followers to drink any alcohol, not even at their version of communion, although allegedly, Jesus and his disciples broke bread and had wine at the last supper!
Just my 2 cents. Thanks and don't hate. Take positive action against people who hate and take away our rights and others' human rights!
by Anonymous | reply 147 | December 8, 2019 3:03 AM |
Aren't all elections about the gays nowadays?
by Anonymous | reply 148 | December 8, 2019 3:04 AM |
R148 that's false and absolutely preposterous. Gay people are about 10% of the population. When bisexuals like me are added, that percentage grows substantially. You're probably in the dark (intentionally) and uneducated about issues that matter. You also probably shouldn't be on this site.
R147
by Anonymous | reply 149 | December 8, 2019 3:08 AM |
"The Methodist religion does not permit its followers to drink any alcohol..."
Since when, R147? Way back when? I know plenty of Methodists who drink. If you mean strictly in church services, okay, but it's hardly Islam when it comes to alcohol.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | December 8, 2019 1:14 PM |
R150, I suspect the Methodists to whom you refer claim to be Methodists, but really aren't. That's common in all religions, as I know a fine Arabic man who drinks more than a fish, but observes Muslim holy days. Muslims are not permitted any alcohol. That doesn't mean all comply. My grandparents were strict Methodists and never touched a drop of alcohol. Two Methodist ministers came to visit my father's private room on his deathbed and I talked to them even though our entire family except him is Catholic. They assured me that was still Methodist doctrine, which is why I said what's in my 1st line. Please consult a practicing, observant Methodist minister and ask if that doctrine has been changed recently, which may be possible.
R147
by Anonymous | reply 151 | December 8, 2019 1:22 PM |
I guarantee you that are plenty of Methodists who drink, just as there are multitudes of Catholics who practice birth control. What the laws say and what people do because they want to live their lives normally are two different things. And it's all the fault of religion.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | December 8, 2019 1:44 PM |
R152 aha! Well an observant Catholic does not use birth control. According to religion, it has no faults, only its followers.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | December 8, 2019 1:54 PM |
Which means there are very few observant Catholics. And of course, that's the line religion always tries to sell: infallibility, despite the fact that all religions are man-made constructs.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | December 8, 2019 1:58 PM |
R154, when I was a Catholic, I was always an observant Catholic. So I stopped being Catholic at age 14. As George Carlin said, "I was Catholic until I reached the age of reason." Not saying I never sinned, but when I did, I went to confession. A Methodist who drinks alcohol isn't a Methodist at all. A Catholic who uses birth control isn't a practicing or observant Catholic, that's a hypocrite, which is the point I've made. People like those need to leave their current churches and find another church/religion or none at all!!
by Anonymous | reply 155 | December 8, 2019 2:11 PM |
Methodists might have frowned on drinking generations ago, but not now.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | December 8, 2019 2:18 PM |
There are conservative aNd fundamentalist Methodists. Globally, Methodism is quite conservative and getting even Moreso. The only growing sector of Methodism is evangelical or even Pentecostalish.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | December 8, 2019 2:30 PM |
R155, the Catholic updates its "rules" every generation, so what an "observant" Catholic is can change with the rules.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | December 9, 2019 11:47 AM |
Mayo Pete volunteers with the Salvation Army? Like there aren’t thousands of other charities that are available? And, he wasn’t aware of their anti-gay policies?
🙄
Not ready for prime time.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | December 9, 2019 12:10 PM |
Andrew Sullivan is probably not getting the milky loads he once had. Older men losing their hair taking propecia have a side effect of clear loads. So I am told.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | December 13, 2019 5:02 AM |
Milky Loads, I'm sorry you seroconverted from riding a tractor in a Speedo but Baby Jesus doesn't like diseased whores.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | December 13, 2019 5:06 AM |
Andrew Sullivan is a bizarre, AIDS-riddled, Reagan-loving, right wing WHORE, AND a RETARD!
Obama should have deported her diseased ass back to England before they changed that law! We were THIS CLOSE to being rid of her skank ass!!!
by Anonymous | reply 162 | December 13, 2019 5:08 AM |
Milky Loads Sullivan was just on Hard Ball a minute ago. He is so full of cum I cant believe it. Making all sorts of Trumpian statements about the Democrats and open boarders. Speaking of which, can we deport him already?
by Anonymous | reply 163 | December 13, 2019 11:59 PM |
I read Sully had denounced the Catholic Church in which he was raised. Maybe he's an Episcopalian now. Which is no kind of church at all.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | December 14, 2019 12:22 AM |
R164 The Episcopalian Church is the foundation for Christianity to bridge into the 22nd Century.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | December 14, 2019 12:31 AM |
The gay left wants to not be persecuted or discriminated against by Christians.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | December 14, 2019 12:38 AM |
The Episcopalians are losing members faster than any other denomination, R165.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | December 14, 2019 12:47 AM |
R167 maybe because Episcopalians were known as friendly to Catholics when I was young? There were several of them in my catholic high school.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | December 14, 2019 12:52 AM |
No, because when you make religion identical to the secular world people lose interest, R168. I might as well go the park on Sunday and pick up trash if I wanted to do good deeds.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | December 14, 2019 12:59 AM |
I went to an Episcopal service when I was in London in September. OMG, it was the most awful “woke” event I have ever witnessed. I left halfway through — and it was almost an hour in with no end in sight. The music was beyond dreadful. No wonder the place was nearly empty.
by Anonymous | reply 170 | December 14, 2019 1:06 AM |
No because Christians perceive Episcopalians as unbiblical and contrary to historic, traditional beliefs and practice
by Anonymous | reply 171 | December 14, 2019 1:07 AM |
I find it difficult to believe he would renounce Catholicism.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | December 14, 2019 1:10 AM |
R171 I never went to one of their services. I was only told they were the closest Protestant sect to Catholicism. I left the Catholic Church when I was 15. Sounds like R170 had a very bad experience I never had. I just hated reciting that damned creed where we basically said only we're going to heaven... that's how I interpreted it.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | December 14, 2019 1:12 AM |
R173, have your read the Bible? Christianity is a creed of exclusivity
by Anonymous | reply 174 | December 14, 2019 1:15 AM |
R174, have I read it? In catholic school we had religion class every day! Yes, I know, but Christianity has many sects.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | December 14, 2019 1:17 AM |
But most importantly Jesus Himself Who founded the faith says you only go to heaven if you believe in Him. It shouldn’t be shocking that Christians day the same
by Anonymous | reply 176 | December 14, 2019 1:22 AM |
R171 You are making that disturbing error that is so prevalent - you are saying "Christian" when what you mean is "conservative Evangelical Christians", or "fundamentalist Christians", or (in my more uncharitable moments I'd say:) "right wing cultish heretical Christians." Those very conservative factions claim "biblical" superiority, but in actuality the apostolic Churches (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Anglican, Episcopalian) also claim a scriptural authority that would point to the apostasy of those errant offshoots, were they not ecumenical in nature. More Evangelical theology is 200 years of quirky biblical interpretation in a 2000 year history of the religion.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | December 14, 2019 2:27 AM |
Finally a non Evangelical shit show explanation of Christianity.
Thanks r177
by Anonymous | reply 178 | December 14, 2019 3:12 AM |
Andrew Sullivan would really, really, really love it if conservatives weren't complete pieces of shit that would actually like him. They are, and they won't. Andrew Sullivan should stop. The whole act is stale. He should rewatch Gypsy. It just ain't happening honey.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | December 14, 2019 3:14 AM |
Sullivan is the ugly little gay altar boy who WANTED to be molested but was passed over.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | December 14, 2019 4:27 AM |
Methodists is for Episcopalians who got tired of squattin' and Baptist who wanted to go back to drinkin' but didn't wanna get judged.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | December 14, 2019 4:34 AM |
R181, maybe I'm confused, but the Methodist religion does not permit consumption of alcohol.
R180, I know you're making a joke, but I was the altar boy who was molested. I got therapy on my own and I'm fine now. Not to be conceited, but I'm better-looking than that jerk Sullivan. How he got in a Gap ad, I'll never know. I saw his profile from BBnow or whatever. He had a good body and a bigger dick, but those irrelevant in a Gap ad. He bragged about his muscle ass, but it was ugly, IMHO.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | December 14, 2019 4:42 AM |
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by Anonymous | reply 183 | December 14, 2019 5:11 AM |
For someone who takes a lot of milky loads, his teeth sure are yellow on TV.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | December 14, 2019 5:15 AM |
Actually in his youth Sully was a passable GAP model. Wonder what was on his GAP playlist.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | December 14, 2019 9:38 AM |
R185, maybe below the neck!
by Anonymous | reply 186 | December 14, 2019 9:45 AM |
Globally, Christianity is growing at a 1.27% rate. Currently, there are 2.5 billion Christians in the world. The world’s population, 7.7 billion, is growing at a 1.20% rate.
Islam (1.95%), Sikhs (1.66%) and Hindus (1.30%) are the only religious groups growing faster than Christianity, though followers of Jesus outnumber every other faith and are predicted to continue to do so at least through 2050. Among Christian groups, Pentecostals (2.26%) and evangelicals (2.19%) are growing faster than others.
They are both also growing faster than they did just two years ago. In 2017, Pentecostals’ growth rate was 2.22% and evangelicals was 2.12%.
There are fewer atheists in the world today (138 million) than there were in 1970 (165 million).
by Anonymous | reply 187 | December 14, 2019 12:04 PM |
The most extraordinary Christian growth over the past century has come in Africa: home to 8.7 million Christians in 1900, 542 million today, and perhaps 1.2 billion by 2050, when there will be as many African Christians as Latin American and European Christians combined. Twenty-first century Christianity is also a far more urban reality than a century ago. In 1900, 29 percent of the world’s Christian population lived in cities; it’s 65 percent today, although that’s projected to decline to 59 percent by 2050. But perhaps the most astonishing numbers involve Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians. There were 981,000 of these souls in 1900; there are 643,661,000 of them today; and there are projected to be over one billion Charismatics and Pentecostals in 2050. In raw numbers, then, Charismatic and Pentecostal Christianity is the fastest growing phenomenon in world religious history.
by Anonymous | reply 188 | December 14, 2019 12:04 PM |
The Methodists I have known drink alcohol openly, not furtively.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | December 14, 2019 2:30 PM |
American Modern United Methodists can drink. However, the black Methodists (CME, AME, AME Zion) and global Methodists are largely conservative and evangelical and largely frown upon or denounce drinking as sinful or unChristian.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | December 14, 2019 3:34 PM |
R187 I think many of your data capturing trends of the past 30 years, but those trends are changing. Evangelicals and Pentecostals are growing in large part because of the "southern hemisphere" phenomenon. Odd things like Latin Americans converting to Evangelical Christianity because of a feeling of socio-economical advancement - more modern and middle class to be evangelical than catholic. Guatemala with more than 50% evangelical now - unfortunately leading to a repressive, corrupt, proto-fascist dictatorship. It's sad that the evangelical-political intersection feeds some pretty horrendous autocracies (Bolsonaro in Brazil, etc.). The growth rates of southern hemisphere Christianity and the other "growth" religions (Hindu, Muslim) are largely due to birthrates.
In the northern hemisphere Christianity is trending down. even evangelical are losing the younger generations.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | December 14, 2019 3:57 PM |
R191, thanks for sharing. Americans 18-25 simply shall not tolerate that batshit crazy stuff. They might be attached to evil devices and lack social skills, but they won't buy the GOP and christianity because they know both are evil and without logical basis. Nobody can produce any evidence that "God" or "Jesus" existed or exists. Science proved how the Earth and we were created. The fact that 1/3 of Americans believes in angels shows how ludicrous they are, but that's their right to believe. Nobody is pulling me into that black hole. I have an intact, intelligent, independent mind capable of logical thought. Case closed.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | December 15, 2019 4:40 AM |
[quote]I have an intact, intelligent, independent mind capable of logical thought. Case closed.
Well, if your mind is closed then you are not scientific at all. Not saying there is a sky god who gives a shit that you won another football game or Grammy award. However, we have only been on the planet for a few thousand years, real field in science about 400 years. Imagine what we might know 1000, 2000, 10,000 years from now if we are still around. There may indeed be a force or some kind of thing we cant even comprehend now that dominates the universe.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | December 15, 2019 5:20 AM |
R193, as a former acquaintance and respected business owner pointed out, Earth was formed billions of years ago. His grandmother is a bible-beater and insists the world is only several thousand years old because the Bible says so and was written by God, Jesus and his Apostles and that's final! The real truth is that the Bible and every other "religious text" were written to control people. Religion and spirituality are different. I'm still on a spiritual journey.
The scientific method states that with a hypothesis, everyone must present evidence to prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Otherwise, every hypothesis is null, meaning it's false. Science has proven how Earth was created, how all living things were created and how humans evolved.
Science once thought our closest relatives are standard Chimpanzees. They're not. Our closest relatives are primates called Bonobos. They're the only beings other than humans who have sex in the missionary position and kiss each other while having sex. Their DNA is only about 1% different from humans.
My mind will remain open, but not to organized religion. The US Constitution grants freedom of religion, freedom from religion, and what I insist on most, SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Crazy extremists refuse to recognize our Constitution. They're called evangelical christians and other things. They must be neutralized like all criminals and threats to our America.
R192
by Anonymous | reply 194 | December 15, 2019 5:41 AM |
[quote]There may indeed be a force or some kind of thing we cant even comprehend now that dominates the universe.
It is called willful ignorance.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | December 15, 2019 5:43 AM |
R195, I won't agree or disagree with that, but you may have a point.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | December 15, 2019 5:45 AM |
There is a big difference between a bible-beater grandmother and an open mind r194. I totally agree in separation of church and state as you even noted in your response, science is always changing based on what we learn and you should always have an open mind to it. When I was a kid, an Atom with Neutrons and Protons were the smallest particle known to man. They though science was done there. Now we have string theory, subatomic particles, quarks and particles that seem to appear and disappear into other dimensions scientist think.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | December 15, 2019 5:56 AM |
The left hates Christians but has a fetish for Muslims.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | December 15, 2019 6:07 AM |
The left dose not hate Christians or Muslims, the left is a big tent that includes them. Unlike the right which is run by religious wingnuts.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | December 15, 2019 6:15 AM |
The left believes, rightly, that the establishment clause of the Constitution prohibits favoring Christianity over other religions.
Evangelical Christians believe otherwise.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | December 15, 2019 6:23 AM |
I GIVE MILKY LOADS AND I TAKE MILKY LOADS
by Anonymous | reply 201 | December 15, 2019 6:28 AM |
R198, R199, R200, you people are intent on labels! I do not identify with the "left" or the "right"! The world is not black and white! If crazy people think all Americans are Democrat or Republican, you are mistaken! Intelligent people such as I are disgusted with both parties! Decent countries with decent people like Holland and Germany have many political parties which must cooperate/build coalitions to accomplish matters. Last year, Germany operated for 24 hours on its own energy. Not a drop of foreign oil or imported energy. We Germans know how to get important matters accomplished without childish bickering! To remain on topic about religion, long ago German banned Scientology!
R192/R194
by Anonymous | reply 202 | December 15, 2019 6:43 AM |
[quote]We Germans know how to get important matters accomplished without childish bickering!
LOL Yeah, you just throw them in the ovens!
by Anonymous | reply 203 | December 15, 2019 7:27 AM |
R192, you’re wrong. 72% of Americans believe in angels.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | December 15, 2019 12:26 PM |
It is worth noting, however, that while over half of all Americans aged 13 and older say they are absolutely certain there is a God, teens are more likely than adults to feel this way (58% teens vs. 53% adults).
These are some of the results of The Harris Poll® of 2,463 U.S. adults aged 18+ and 510 teens aged 13-17 surveyed online between July 14 and 27, 2016.
Just under three quarters of Americans (74% teens, 73% adults) believe in Heaven, followed by seven in ten who believe in angels (71%, 70% respectively).
When it comes to the devil’s domain, 65% of teens believe in Hell, a six-percentage point jump on the 59% of adults who feel the same. In addition, just under six in ten Americans believe in the Devil (59% teens, 58% adults).
And when it comes to what’s deep inside, over six in ten Americans (61% teens, 64% adults) believe the soul survives after death, while 19% of teens and about a quarter of adults (26%) believe in reincarnation.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | December 15, 2019 12:30 PM |
Not surprisingly, most members of the evangelical Protestant tradition (83%) see themselves as born-again or evangelical Christians, as do most members of the historically black Protestant tradition (72%) and a sizable minority of people in the mainline Protestant tradition (27%). Many Christians who do not identify with Protestantism also consider themselves born-again or evangelical Christians, including 22% of Catholics, 18% of Orthodox Christians, 23% of Mormons and 24% of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | December 15, 2019 12:40 PM |
Not surprisingly, most members of the evangelical Protestant tradition (83%) see themselves as born-again or evangelical Christians, as do most members of the historically black Protestant tradition (72%) and a sizable minority of people in the mainline Protestant tradition (27%). Many Christians who do not identify with Protestantism also consider themselves born-again or evangelical Christians, including 22% of Catholics, 18% of Orthodox Christians, 23% of Mormons and 24% of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | December 15, 2019 12:40 PM |
The Pew survey shows a definite decline in weekly churchgoing, alongside the growing disaffiliation of people who once would have been loosely attached to churches and denominations — cultural Catholics, Christmas-and-Easter Methodists, Jack Mormons and the like. But recent Gallup numbers indicate that reported weekly and almost-weekly church attendance has only “edged down” lately, falling to 38 percent in 2017 from 42 percent in 2008 — a smaller drop than the big decline in affiliation reported by Pew. And long-term Gallup data suggest that any recent dip in churchgoing is milder than the steep decline in the 1960s — and that today’s churchgoing rate isn’t that different from the rate in the 1930s and 1940s, before the postwar religious boom.
The relative stability of the Gallup data fits with analysis offered by the sociologists Landon Schnabel and Sean Bock in a 2017 paper, “The Persistent and Exceptional Intensity of American Religion.” Drawing on the General Social Survey, they argued that the recent decline of institutional religion is entirely a function of the formerly weakly affiliated ceasing to identify with religious bodies entirely; for the strongly affiliated (just over a third of the American population), the trend between 1990 and the present is a flat line, their numbers neither growing nor collapsing but holding steady across an era of supposedly dramatic religious change.
That resilience should not be entirely comforting for Christian churches, since both their everyday work and their cultural influence depends on reaching beyond their core adherents, and inspiring a mix of sympathy and interest among people who aren’t at worship every week. Indeed, combining an enduring core of belief with a general falling-away could make the Christian position permanently embattled, tempting the pious to paranoia and misguided alliances while the wider culture becomes more anticlerical, more like 19th-century secular liberalism in its desire to batter down the redoubts of traditional belief.
But for now that resilience also puts some limits on how successfully anti-Christian policies can be pursued, how easily religious conservatism can be marginalized within the conservative coalition (not easily) and how completely the liberal coalition can be secularized — not completely at all, so long as its base remains heavily African-American and Hispanic. (The tragic racial polarization of American Christianity, in this sense, may have one positive effect: preventing a complete polarization of our politics between Christian and post-Christian coalitions.)
by Anonymous | reply 208 | December 15, 2019 12:43 PM |
If he walks done a path and turns to the right he will be criticized. Silly.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | December 15, 2019 1:03 PM |
Who is an orthodox Christian? I've never met one in my 55 years on earth
by Anonymous | reply 210 | December 15, 2019 1:07 PM |
Russian, Greek, Ukrainian, Romanian, Serbia have Eastern Orthodox Churches
by Anonymous | reply 211 | December 15, 2019 1:23 PM |
Uniate Romanians are a tricky lot as they are outwardly Orthodox but theologically Roman Catholic.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | December 15, 2019 4:41 PM |
Why does Orthodox seem to be so political?
by Anonymous | reply 213 | December 15, 2019 5:18 PM |
r213, because it is not based on western philosophies of self determination and work ethic.
The Orthodox world is a shit storm of temptation that you pass through for eternal reward. They are not really attached to this world.
They have been trained to ACCEPT their lot in life.
Pathetic, truly.
And now the Russian Orthodox Church is run by a fucking Russian Oligarch. Kirill is an old Russian KGB operative of Putin's.
He's worth BILLIONS. Cash.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | December 15, 2019 5:28 PM |
Christians should be thrown in boiling oil starting with the children.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | December 15, 2019 5:36 PM |
R215, you speak demonic and anti-Christ language.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | December 15, 2019 5:57 PM |
That's because I don't believe in the big sky god and really don't like Christians.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | December 16, 2019 5:33 AM |
Who cares? Can we get back to how pathetic Milky Loads Sulivan?
by Anonymous | reply 218 | December 16, 2019 5:46 AM |