Prince Charles Reveals Another Swollen Member!

I don't understand this thread.

Yikes. r1 - look at his feet.

He looks like a skid row drunk with red face and swollen hands and feet.

Christ, his mother looks healthier than he does.

And toenail fungus.

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That's not simple rosacea.

That's burst blood vessels from drinking and telangiectasia, enlarged blood vessels resulting in a red face that occurs because regulation of vascular control in the brain fails appears to fail with long-term alcohol consumption.

He’s such a thin man. How is he this ill from drinking?

Charles, put om yours shoes. Custom or religion be damned.

.*on.

If I was a member of the royal family, I'd be drunk all the time, too.

Excessively comfortable but unearned life + your life is not your own = booze and pills!

It sure wasn't between his legs...

Charles and Camilla visited my friend's place of work a few years ago, I think to open their new building. Both were apparently very genial and friendly, but he thought that Camilla was clearly drunk.

And I remember thinking: of course she would be. If my life was an endless carousel of inane repetitive ceremonies, I'd be drunk most days, too.

There have already been several threads on this OP. Would it have killed you to have done a search first before you posted this? I mean really? What’s wrong with having a little consideration for others and doing a search first? Would it really have been that hard? Would it?

Wow... r6 can make that confident specific diagnosis from just ONE photo!

My own doctors would need to see me in person and ask questions before they would ever venture forth with a diagnosis like that. But the Medical Super-Brain here is above such petty concerns! All he needs is just one single photo!

I think the members of the Royal Family drink a lot of alcohol every day. Remember when someone posted the Queen's daily menu. Cocktails, wine, with lunch, afternoon and nightcaps. I don't know how anyone could drink that much every day and not become an alcoholic?

They are not Reptilians, they are Lobsterfarians. I knew it!

He has to lay off the bottle.

[quote]Wow... [R6] can make that confident specific diagnosis from just ONE photo!

[quote]My own doctors would need to see me in person and ask questions before they would ever venture forth with a diagnosis like that. But the Medical Super-Brain here is above such petty concerns! All he needs is just one single photo!

You clearly need to learn the difference between an opinion and a diagnosis.

[quote] That's not simple rosacea. That's burst blood vessels from drinking and telangiectasia, enlarged blood vessels resulting in a red face that occurs because regulation of vascular control in the brain fails appears to fail with long-term alcohol consumption.

That sounds like a diagnosis rather than an opinion to me.

Gross chub-feet.

[quote]That sounds like a diagnosis rather than an opinion to me.

Well, as you've pointed out, an actual diagnosis would require an in-person examination by a trained medical practitioner.

As I was opining based on a picture, I would propose that you've drawn an incorrect conclusion.

You did [italic]not[/italic] speak in the language of offering an opinion: e.g., "I believe it may be due to..." or "In my opinion, that is due to..."

Rather, you said, "That's burst blood vessels from drinking and telangiectasia,...", which is clearly the language of diagnosis.

[quote]You did not speak in the language of offering an opinion: e.g., "I believe it may be due to..." or "In my opinion, that is due to..."

Unfortunately, I simply cannot help that you've become so used to poor writing that you require absurd qualifiers like "in my opinion" in order to identify a statement, which by definition, is the opinion of its author.

r23, you were talking like a know-it-all asshole, got called on it, and now you're repeatedly trying to squirm your way out of it.

You're not impressing anyone: you're just acting more and more like an asshole with each post.

[quote]You're not impressing anyone: you're just acting more and more like an asshole with each post.

LOL - I guess I'm fortunate that I wasn't trying to impress anyone.

[quote]and now you're repeatedly trying to squirm your way out of it.

And, right back at you. IN MY OPINION, you're like a dog with a bone trying to defend your own poor reading skills (see what I did there?).

Looks to have a "bar" tan and gout

Oh, I've seen every little move you've made.

His visible flesh looks almost as florid as his scarf. Yeesh.

Is that condition (whateverthefuck it is, IDEC) painful? It looks like it is. It also looks itchy.

He's wealthy beyond imagination. How can he be in such shit shape? His hands and feet look like rotty sausage, stuffed in casing.

Whatever his problem is (my guess is edema), we know he's being looked after by very good doctors.

I think the redness in his face may be due to something else entirely. He's in Pakistan, no? British people often turn bright red with too much sun. Of course it could be from drinking, too. Or it could be from both.

Gout is an affliction acceptable in the very highest circles. It comes from an excess of good living. Gout is practically a pedigree. [With finality] You have gout.

The Braganza Tiara (pictured), belonging to the current Queen of Sweden, is absolutely insane--it supposedly weighs 6 kilos! Yet she wears it very frequently despite its heft.

The queen of England has said that the Imperial State Crown and (especially) St. Edward's Crown are even much heavier, but fortunately the monarch only has to wear St. Edward's Crown once in her/his life (at the coronation), and the Imperial State Crown for the opening of parliament (and the queen cannot even wear it anymore--instead it is displayed next to her on a pillow when she opens Parliament).

Oops--wrong thread! Sorry...

but not completely unrelated, r32, good job!

Now this is a swollen member.

Ooh where's the new tiara thread? Come back R32!

NO THANKS

BWAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHA

Josh is so yummy in R35.

Did he go swimming in that suit?

Geez guys, the dude is 70.

Is that a British version of forklift foot? Maybe he should consult with Mama June on proper treatment of his hooves.

Charles looks like he needs to be on a maximum dosage of Lasix.

He's trying to get into Diana´s photo op at the Taj Mahal. Thirty years too late.

Does Charles have rosacea?

r45

Yeah like I did

It's not necessarily from too much alcohol. It's also the fact that he must stand on his feet for prolonged periods of time, and his diet. If he is eating rich foods, fried foods, high sodium foods he's in trouble. He also probably is dehydrated because, as most older people do, he doesn't drink enoough water. When you have a rigorous public schedule, you don't want to have to take a leak every five minutes and once you reach 70 that's the situation. So to avoid running to the toilet, he avoids drinking too much and gets dehydrated. Happened to my father too. My father wasn't a public figure, he just started leaking. He became incontinent so he refused to drink water and he would get dehydrated.

He caught it from Camilla who really does have it because of too much drinking.

I wonder if he suffers from gout.

R47-we are literally going through that right now. Toss geriatric diabetes in for good measure, and hydration is a major challenge.

I think he has psoriasis(face) and by looking at his knuckles in another picture - psoriasic arthritis. Painful disease, the sun is actually good for him, but the disease is not deadly.

Yes, R50, I was just thinking Diabetes should be on that list. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn Charles suffers from Type 2 Diabetes. I have found it curious these past two or three years that William seems to be taking a more conventional , more prominent role in royal duties. Even if Charles does become King, it won't be for long and he'll probably have to have a lot of help. The moment he moved his primary household to Kensington Palace, you could tell something must have happened with Charles.

Looks like pitting edema - he should take some Lasix and elevate his lower extremities.

Can't they find some Indians to carry him about in a brightly colored sedan chair?

It is my OPINION that Prince Charles has some undiagnosed (by DL) and possibly serious health problems. My OPINION is he has circulation issues.

He has a ruddy complexion, as does Prince Harry. Do they both suffer with rosacea? I don’t think so. I’ve known some one with that condition and it looked much different than what you see on Charles and Harry. I have a red headed friend that also gets quite ruddy, especially when he is embarrassed.

He has Hobbit feets.

I do enjoy these threads and all the other BRF ones. Can’t fathom the deletions etc. Am a noob and so frustrating as they are great - funny, informative and deliciously bitchy.

A diagnosis IS an opinion btw.

Another possible cause of his edema, could be CHF. When a person suffers from Congestive Heart Failure the swelling in the extremities, especially the feet is an obvious symptom.

I know my feet swell up when I wear dressy shoesies. That’s why I try to only wear sneakers.

He's just English.

Whatever he has, my fantasy is that Charles is raptured unexpectedly before HM, jolting the Cambridges up into the fierce light that beats upon a throne . . . and the Sussexes into the outer stratosphere.

I really don’t wish that, r62. It’s never right when a son or daughter predeceases their parent. I would imagine QEII and Prince Phillip would be devastated. Hah maybe not Prince Phillip.

50 years waiting for a job promotion and years after retirement age as well would make anyone a lush.

r6 My diagnosis is untreated syphilis.

R57 - I know, they are fun, aren't they? Amongst the jewellery, clothes, polo ponies, art collection, scandals, marital high-jinks, bloodlines, historical links, television and films generated, the gold mine of bitchery is virtually limitless.

Someone once called the Wars of the Roses England's longest running soap opera. They were too right.

The closures are sour old maids trying to punish innocent gay men from having a bit of fun - I suspect they do so to punish us for our sinful ways but won't admit it.

"Some people are so touchy!"

Here he is practically passing out in Darwin last year when he was 69. Whatever his health issues are, they are impacting him tremendously.

I can't find the image I was looking for. But Prince Charles looked awful at Trooping the colour this year. I can't find the photo in question but it was a close up of him sweating, and looking decidedly uncomfortable. He looked as bad as he did in the Darwin photo. If you open the posted photo below, and scroll close up, you will get a sense of how bad he looked.

Rosacea can be quite severe. I have it and it waxes and wanes, but can get aggravated quite suddenly. Alcohol is one of the triggers, but even very bad rosacea is not automatically a result of alcohol abuse. I have had issues with alcohol and I am sure they have damaged my skin, but my rosacea developed during a period when I hadn’t had a drink for several years and my worst rosacea is not correlated with alcohol use. I haven’t had a drink in months and my face is bright red now because I got cold and turned up the heat. It’s too dry and my face is actually mildly painful. My father quit drinking at about 50 and his skin continued to get worse. It was basically purple and thickened with enlarged pores and a bulbous nose. I’m a model with a cosmetics contract compared to him. So, yeah, it’s highly suggestive of high alcohol consumption, but it doesn’t prove anything.

Also, keep in minded that anyone 50+ grew up in an era where sunscreen was only used at the beach. Sure, the English sun isn’t that strong, but he was outdoors a fair amount.

Prince Charles is all kinds of fucked up, though. Those feet are disgusting.

Im very concerned about his feet, looks like he may be suffering from alazyboneidolspongeringfreeloaderitis

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Ugh I had a disgusting thought. I’ll share! I read somewhere that someone puts toothpaste on his toothbrush—does someone clip those toenails too?

r71 Yes, why the fuck do you think he married Camilla ?

The Queen has swollen feet too. The first time I noticed her swollen tootsies was when she was walking with Trump.

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Too much time in Scotland?

Charles is not nearly as healthy as his mother was at his age. I'm going to come down on the side of Diabetes 2 and CHF. Hypertension as a third choice. I'm talking about the kind of high blood pressure that's normal one minute and shoots up quickly. It's called "the silent killer." If Chuck is having symptoms, then he needs to get himself on a regimen and do what he needs to do to get things under control. I do know that when you have poor circulation, you suffer from edema and your feet hands ankles, are the first things to swell up.

I have no doubt that Prince Charles is receiving the very best of medical care. It could be he has stuff going on where they’re only capable of controlling symptoms.

At this point if Charles died before QEII I imagine Phillip would ask who this man was at his funeral.

R72 all the best medical care in the world will do you no good if you don't follow good habits and take care of yourself. My BFF's father was diagnosed with Diabetes. He went on some oral medication and kept drinking. He's dead. He was 68 yrs. old.

That definitely looks like extreme fluid retention. He's going to end up with congestive heart disease. I seriously doubt he can even get that pinky ring off that bloated finger. And it looks like he bites his nails down to the quick.

Or it could be lymphedema.

I think Kate and Wills are poisoning him so Wills can be heir to the throne!!

R80-regardless of what someone's got their nuts in a sling over OPINIONS vs. verifiable DIAGNOSES, I don't think it takes a doctor to say that is a sign of someone with a health issue.

Its porphyria! It runs through the Royal Family. King George III famously had it.

He needs a semen release every night!

R84, you cracked me up.

Gout?

I can't find the thread wherein Meghan Markle is proclaimed responsible for this.

Looks like the other threads have been disappeared. Seriously. William's glasses was offensive? This may be all we have left: Prince Charles' Swollen Member.

WIlliam comes to his role very reluctantly, but he seems to have made peace with it in the past two years. Which is why I'm convinced there is some serious health issue with Charles. I do believe that if William ever becomes King, he will make a lot of significant changes in the Monarchy, but he will not get rid of it.

Agreed, R89. I think we'll see a Swedening of the monarchy under William. That may be a very good thing - and it may be what keeps a republic at bay for another generation. I think William will make it too king. Whether or not George does is anyone's guess. I will say, it looks like William is enjoying his role. He seems at ease at public events in a way that he was not before.

Prince Andrew will be interviewed on British TV this weekend about the Epstein scandal.

R90 - I quite agree. I think the royal journos are overlooking this very real possibility: that the BRF may not be fighting an exit for the Sussexes too hard because they are taing the longer view: it makes the job of "Swedenising" the monarchy that much easier down the road. After all, by the time Harry dies (assuming he lives to a ripe oldage), if the Cambridge kids have only two children each, Harry will be something like 112th in line, his children 13th and 14th, why keep them on the public payroll for so long?

I wonder if Harry and Meghan haven't figured this out, as well, and have set this whole charade up so they can jump before being pushed.

Meanwhile, Kate is out and about today opening a children's hospice in line with one of her royal patronages, looking incredibly happy, cheerful, fresh, and confident in a pretty fuschia de la Renta suit, although I do wish she would drop the black tights.

And she quite clearly isn't in the early stages of pregnancy - that's for whichever poster on whichever thread has Zamorah Queen of the Gypsies as a close personal friend.

Kate's probably ecstatic because she doesn't have to smile and chat with Meghan on that walk to St. Mary's Church at Sandringham on 25 December.

^*taking the longer view . . .

^^*12th, not 112th . . .

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A younger George with his nanny Maria.

Today is Princess Anne's son Peter Phillips' birthday. Swipe for photos of the close relationship between Peter and William.

Put a couple a drinks in me and I'll suck a hot guys toes if asked. But, I'm not going down there Sir. Poor guy.

Photos of Peter Phillips through the years.

You can see Philip's nose went a long way that photo of Peter and William at R98.

R88 the Prince William wearing glasses thread is still right where it's always been.

Not R88, but I just got an can't open message for the PW in glasses thread.

Nope, it's gone R102. It will no longer open the page and has disappeared from my list of watched threads. This is all we have left.

Sophie Wessex is in Toronto visiting a hospital.

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Damn, talk about doing one's duty, R106.

What R59 said. My mother had terrible edema from congestive heart failure.

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What's the significance of the different number of poppies that the women wear. HM sometimes wears five, Kate has three on, but has worn a single one before.

Three — Army, Navy, Air Force

Five — the above plus Civil Defence and women

Kate also wore a codebreakers poppy.

Wait, what? I thought Remembrance Day was the U.K. Memorial Day. Wouldn’t code breakers have been relatively safe? Or is Remembrance Day more like Veterans Day. But then why the black?

CHF is ubiquitous but it is caused by a direct injury to the heart through surgery or accident or the like, it doesn't just arise out of nowhere. Strict diet regulations to keep strain off the heart and avoid edema are critical to surviving CHF if you want to make it past the five-year average survival rate. Unless there is something we don't know about Charles' health history (i.e., whether he had an injury to his heart), I doubt CHF. There are other causes for edema.

Fergie never knows when to quit. We all know her over-the-top words are hollow when it comes to Prince Andrew.

Kate gets some little helpers to open the new children's hospice.

I wonder what the cause could be r115? I'm stumped. Any guesses?

She sounds so fucking petty. Duchess of Whine.

Swipe for videos and photos of Prince Charles. I love the black & white films of him as a baby and toddler.

R118 - From what I know, anything from hereditary inclinatiion to too much salt intake or a bad diet. Office workers who sit or stand too long in one place if they are not active outside the office can also become vulnerable to it. I'm not sure about medication - perhaps some cause fluid retention, but I don't know.

Charles probably eats very well - everything is organic. He used to be very physically active. Maybe it's hereditary, although his mother, grandmother, grandfather, and father don't seem to have it.

I always think of Charles as terribly self-absorbed, but perhaps he's got enough woes these days to take to too much drinking. It can't have been easy for him to watch a son with mental issues select a bride who activated them and used them for her own purposes, or to contemplate losing the son out of the family, or, for that matter, looking at not getting the job he was born for until he's about 75. Maybe he's self-medicating some depression and sorrows that we just don't give him credit for feeling.

I don't believe all that PR bullshit about the "bond" between Meghan and Charles. He'd be less than human if he didn't resent all the damage she's brought with her into the family.

Weird that it's still showing in the search function. I guess deleting a thread does not remove it from the search database, at least right away.

R119 - Oh, I would love to know what they "made up" about that baby shower!

And this is how stupid Meghan and her PR are: if there is one bell they don't want to re-ring in the public's mind, it's that fucking OTT conspicuous consumption baby shower after which Meghan flew home in the Clooney's private jet with her loot.

Thanks, R113. I'd thought that perhaps it meant fallen family members and couldn't think of one of HM's but the kinda wayward Duke of Kent.

Any podiatrists in the house? Interested in their takes on Charles' feet - the appearance as depicted in photos.

His mom and dad are still alive. Si no matter how shitty he looks, his genes are solid for longevity and he may just turn out to be the Leith Richards of royalty.

so

Keith

The Queen's feet also swell.

That fool’s drunken clodhoppers are triggering me!

They’re PURPLE, FFS.

IFHH.

I made mention of HM's swollen feet last year at both the Sussex's and Brooksbanks' wedding threads, but people told me I was daft and didn't see it. I guess I'm not such a fantasist, after all.

Yup, r130. One was very swollen at Eugenie's wedding.

I swear if someone posts a picture of Prince Philip’s purple paws I will vomit.

She could have fallen and no one would know. It's unusual for edema to appear in one limb and not the other, I believe. And she certainly doesn't have his red face.

Frankly, when I look at Harry's complexion, even though Charles isn't a ginge, I see similar graininess and wonder if, at 70, Harry's face won't look much like Charles's. William is older than Harry and has the nice blush along the cheekbones that his mother had, but doesn't seem to have the flushed look that Harry and Charles have.

R133, I a posted a link up thread showing her swollen feet. Her feet swell. Get over it.

R13o4 - I haven't anything to fucking get over, I'm not writing an article for The Lancet. She's an old lady. Most old ladies' ankles don't look the way they did when they were 18. If one ankle is swollen in a photo and one isn't, it's not unreasonable to suppose a fall in a 93 year old. My point being: I don't necessarily agree that Charles's extraorindarily swollen fingers, hands, and flushed face are something he inherited from her.

Your photos don't make you a gerontologist or rule out a fall in a photo with one ankle swollen and one not. She's fucking 93 and walks like a 93 year old.

Charles is only 70 and he looks ghastly. His mother looks better than he does and she's 23 years older. She looked much better at 70 than he does now.

So asserting inheritance and drawing a direct connection isn't something you should hand into The Lancet, either.

^eyeroll

It's sort of amazing to be past your 70th birthday and still have both parents living.

My mother had CHF and she didn't ever have any prior surgery or damage. She had poor circulation she had pulmonary issues. She was overweight. She developed arrhythmia,she had CHF.

My mother had Afib and CHF, along with copd (which she sadly succumbed to). She'd been a smoker her whole life (she barely drank) so I'm guessing that probably caused it.

From what I understand, really adhering to the dietary restrictions on salt, particularly, which increases fluid retention, and weight-gain, which causes further strain on heart muscles, are what give CHF sufferers the ability to survive with the condition. If you put extra strain by gaining weight, eating lots of prepared foods with high salt content, drink, etc., you just make it harder for the heart to keep up, just when things need to be made easiest for it to do so.

Meanwhile, I note that Meghan has added to her list of things she is suing the Mail on Sunday for is "making things up", a charge I find so hilarious as to beggar description.

It's the tabloids, Megsy: this is what they do for a living, and your lawsuit even if you win it, isn't going to change that one bit.

One of the things she says they "made up" is the cost of her copper bath and other furnishings for the FrogCott. I wonder if this means that to prove the story was made up, she has to produce the real costs of the furnishings? Which will still be plenty costly and then be in the public domain?

She also mentions that one of the things made up was why her mother was not at the baby shower. What Meghan doesn't understand is that the public don't give a tinker's curse about whether and why Doria Ragland attended. What the public ate up was the conspicuous consumption and money spent to fawn over someone already rich, and the private jet back to Britain courtesy of the billioniare Clooney.

I wonder if she really thinks she can remain part of the BRF and bring the press to heel, as it were. Or is this more of her parting shot before she leaves, as she HAS to know, underneath it all, that she has made a permanent enemy of an entity whose favour she should have curried.

Interestingly, even Kaiser on CB pointed out yesterday that she is beginning to agree with those who are comparing Meghan's actions to Diana's, i.e., that she is a good tactician, a good short-term in0fighter, but a lousy strategist over the longer term.

Because, in the end, no matter how the legal battle goes, the real winners down the road will be the tabloids and the Cambridges.

^*in-fighter

Meg is a typical American, always ready to sue at the drop of a hat.

A little taste of Andrew's interview to air in Britain this weekend. The idiot is laughing.

He has no recollection of meeting the woman who accuses him. Translation = she's lying! How many times have we heard that before?

My uncle had the same symptoms as Prince Charles, hands and feet swelling, rosacea plus aching in his joints and he developed year round seasonal allergy symptoms.

He went on a low glycemic diet and all of the symptoms went away plus his brain fog and whatever that number for the prostate went down.

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SO much garbage out here. R145, I definitely believe Charles's diet is a huge contributor to his medical problems. It may not even be alcohol at this point. The fatty foods, red meats, breads of varying kinds all of those things are inflammatory contributors. The fact that Camilla took him to some health Spa is very telling.

The first Hollywood Princess..and a true "star"

r146, She won't meet the requirements yet.

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r140 is absolutely right

Also, Meghan will find that one of the problems with her getting ultra-specific about where the newspapers "published lies" about her is that she is inadvertently confirming as true all the other details the newspapers have published about her.

For example, she accuses them of lying about the cost of the copper bath, but the wider story around the the copper bath story was one of extravagance with taxpayer money on Frogmore as a whole. That wider story included other ultra- expensive details such as two orangeries, a floating floor, etc, etc, that she is not protesting about being false.

She's actually confirming for the public that the majority of the reporting on her is true. She's not just a twat, she's a fool.

It was the blatant merching in NY not the presence or absence of Doria that was annoying , also as has been said , flying all her swag back home. The obscenity of Wimbledon she doesn't deny because it happened. Getting arsey about them reporting copper baths that didn't happen doesn't negate the things we saw with our own eyes .

With regards to the Frogmore alterations, the press just reported the planning applications, sorry Royals but you aren't above the law with these things. Interior furnishings was either PR or bollocks but who cares, it is the building work that is the major cost and paid by us lowly taxpayers.

Swipe for the life of the Duchess of Gloucester.

On this day in 1937, Prince Philip's sister Princess Cecilie of Hesse was killed with her husband and most of her young family. I think she was the prettiest of Philip's four older sisters.

The only surviving Hesse child Johanna died a couple of years later from meningitis.

Lord Louis Mountbatten's granddaughter, India Hicks, modeled for Ralph Lauren in her youth. She was quite pretty before the sun wrecked her skin.

Another milestone...nine years ago, William and Catherine were engaged.

That's kinda normal isn't it, for older people? They get swelling in feet so are prescribed a diuretic.

R158 he looks unfuckable without hair.

r157, India Hicks and her china from Charles. i can see a child preferring a toy but what an amazing and thoughtful thing for a godfather to do.

The names of the Royal Family and their meanings Part One.

The names of the Royal Family Part Two.

Sorry this is Part Two.

Could have gone without seeing this. Don’t royals get pedicures?

R162 - some of the meanings don't match the person who bears the name.

Henry - "Ruler of the House" - well, we know who is the boss in their house and it isn't Hopeless Harry. Meghan = "Pearl". Not applicable either.

One is quite uncanny - Elizabeth - "God is my Oath" - this lady will NEVER abdicate.

R164 - Anne - "Full of Grace" - I know she's full of something but grace it is not. LOL.

Swipe for photos of the current Queen with her mother.

Harry seems strangely disengaged with his son.

r168, off his swede again?

I never believed the good with kids pr bollocks. Never seen with his niece or nephews and frankly odd with his hugging or head banging of strangers' children. if i was a parent i would not be pushing my sprog to the front with him around.

OUCH R3

It's Tiara Time ... swipe for the tiaras in the Gloucester side of the Royal Family.

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[quote]Painful disease, the sun is actually good for him, but the disease is not deadly.

Psoriatic arthritis can cause cardiovascular disease that leads to death. It's not uncommon.

The Queen's Brooch Collection - Part Five.

A sneaky video of Kate, George and Charlotte riding their bikes around Kensington Palace. The video may be deleted soon so hope you can see it.

They should plant hedges or something, they have no privacy at Kensington, it is in a park.

They seem like happy kids.

Wonder if poor Archie will have a chance to know his cousins and to play with them?

One of the "lies" Meghan is suing the press for publishing is that the mosque she did the cookbook with "has jihadist connections".

The problem is, not only does it have jihadist connections, it has a specific connection to 19 jihadis, including Isis' Jihadi John, he of the orange suit beheading and burning cage videos fame.

Let’s make a pact, shall we? We know these threads are getting shut down because of the MM factor. It’s true. If you don’t think so, you’re delusional. So... if people want to chat about her, create a new thread (it will be shut down, but I promise I won’t down vote it). Let’s just keep one thread MM free...

We ar not the only ones discussing Charles' swollen member.

There's only so much that can be said about Charles's health, r178. The big subjects in the BRF right now are MM destroying the family with Harry's help, and Andrew being a scumtastic scumbag. You may not like that fact, but so long as the other threads keep getting shut down/paywalled, you're going to get discussion of these two topics on any BRF thread.

Appeal to Muriel to stop indulging bad actors on here, not to other posters who are, after all, reacting quite naturally to the ludicrous degree of censorship on the DL.

My advice is, see a post you don't like? Scroll on by.

I think that's the wise way to proceed, R180. I just put all Meg stans on ignore. It's easier to keep a clean thread that way. Seeing the Cambridges riding bikes was sweet. Kate does seem really to be trying to maintain some sense of normalcy.

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And, r182, it's a public class - wow.

Can you even begin to imagine Meg "I need a private jet to ensure my son's security" EVER going to a weekly public class with her precious insurance policy? NEVER

I think R151 is right. Meghan's PR calls out a few things the press got wrong (all falling quite short of the "Jen is pregnant with Brad" at 50 narrative) , but by doing so they appear to confirm the rest of what has been reported, Harry and Meghan seem only to play the short game.

R184-exactly, so she's inadvertently confirming stories like the tiara tantrum, being mean to Charlotte and making Kate cry, Harry telling off William and Kate in their own home, berating the Windsor chef over the taste of eggs in a vegan dish and the Queen needing to intervene, demanding air fresheners in the wedding chapel, trying to commodore Investiture celebration, Harry snapping at her on the balcony, etc., etc. The list of negative stories goes on and on. For every story they sue over being false, they expose the ones that are true. And those are pretty damming regarding her character. It was such a stupid move. Even if they win their case, they still lose.

What about Hil Clinton visiting the Princes and MM? Hill has really been suppportive of MM in the press.

Here we go again...

Back to the pink monkey! Back to the pink monkey! BACK TO THE GODDAMN FUCKING PINK MONKEY!!!!!

R185 are you serious? Pretty damning? So she's a fucking royal pain in the ass a, a bitch! A Mariah Carey diva!

But why are me acting like her bitchiness is 100000x more egregious that Andrew raping underage teens or anything our Commander in Chief has done.

It's hilarious! Her bitchy behavior is apparently worse than fucking underage teens. Maybe if she had grabbed the Queen by the pussy or fucked some trafficked teen boys on a remote island somewhere she could be forgiven for having high insatiable levels of testosterone leading her to such incorrigible behavior.

But she has a pussy so fuck that sassy bitch.

R189, it's not that her behavior is worse in a moral sense. It's just that it's more fun to gossip about. Of course what Prince Andrew did is worse--he (allegedly and most likely by the evidence) had sex with an underage girl against her will. He raped a young woman. Meghan is grasping and climbing and not good at hiding it. Those two things are not equal. But the first is just depressing and indictment of the immunity of the rich and powerful and well-connected from the consequences of their actions, and that is the same story we hear multiple times a day in multiple ways. The second is bitchy and fun.

O. K.

So the queen drops by FrogCot to see Archie all the time?

Bitch don't make us laugh. People come to the queen, she goes to no one, Why is M so intent on painting this picture of Archie being more important than he is?

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We don't have to stop gossiping about everyone else in the BRF just because Andrew is disgusting. We can gossip about how disgusting Andrew is too. He deserves his own thread, but it's old and depressing news as R190 points out. Meghan and Harry have repeatedly decried "all the lies" printed about Meghan, but until now they haven't told us what those lies were. The lawsuit is turning out to be quite revealing..

A video of the Queen, Philip and Anne attending the Royal Variety Performance. Oh my, Anne's big hair!

Swipe for the life of Princess Maud of Wales, future Queen of Norway.

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Harry shows up at an event looking like he sloshed the mini bar all over himself during the bumpy car ride to the venue. What a joke he is.

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Aw bless, he's got a new leather necklace to match his teenage bracelets.

The hair baffles me, some days it is there, other days, not? If that is a hairpiece it is not a very good one, but what is going on?

He looks slovenly and manic or coked up.

Wonder if the rumors re: Betty Ford are true?

The poor Queen, Andrew and now this mess with Harry.

The whole thing should just be handed over to William at this point. Yes, I get that's not a hereditary monarchy works, but they're pretty much doomed between Andrew and the Sussexes, and Charles is a joke. We may witness the collapse of the BRF when Liz goes.

As admirable as the Queen has always appeared to be she seems to have been a disaster as a mother. Maybe a little less time with the empire and a little more time with her family would have been helpful.

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Because she had that choice right?

Imbecile

Why doesn't Andrew just "retire" from public duties with a statement that the current "rumors" are too damaging to HM and the BRF and, while he admits no wrongdoing, he doesn't want to drag them any further into the muck? He then ceases all public duties while he and his family are supported more than comfortably by mum. Isn't this the best way forward for them?

^I bet "fragile" Charles thinks his brother is getting just what was coming for him.

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Harry was barely passable before. Lately he looks disheveled, miserable, and seconds away from a mental breakdown. The unfortunate Markle woman emasculates him and makes him look weak.

The Queen seems to have done as creditably as most mothers with Anne and Edward, who have turned out to be low-drama, steady workers, with stable family lives, and as far as Charles go, he's made two huge mistakes in life (his choice of a wife and the Spider Memos) and a few less huge ones, but then who hasn't? Her biggest mistake with Charles was not being rank with him about her doubts about Diana (which she did harbour), and not abdicating on the grounds of weakening strength and finally giving him the job he was born for instead of having him, at 70, bowing to men in their forties whose fathers or mothers were wise enough to get out of the way. Her refusal to do so has made him something of a pitiable Might Have Been in royal circles. Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark turned 50 recently - his mother is close to 80. I would put money on her stepping aside in five years so he and Mary can get on with it, and their youngest children are over ten years old, and Prince Christian is entering university.

But where Andrew is concerned, HM seems to have completely cocked it up.

As Charles has cocked it up with Harry but, for some reason, not William.

To the poster upthread, in a hereditary monarchy, the "natural" order of things can be by-passed. It's Parliament who has the final word on the succession. The Queen would have to submit a bill to Parliament changing the order of succession to make William the Heir Apparent giving as a reason ill-health on the part of the Prince of Wales.

It would, of course, represent a public humiliation for Charles, so that's one reason it won't happen; and the other is that the Queen views her sovereignty as a sacramental pact with the people of Britain. She can't see past that.

In my opinion, while her dedication is admirable, it harmed rather than helped the monarchy.

The Monarchy cannot "exile" anyone, any more than it can appoint any successor without Parliament's approval, or send traitors to the Tower.

But Charles would certainly bring extreme pressure on his brother to take himself off to climes unknown to live the rest of his life in luxurious comfort.

It's a shame for poor Bea, who has waited so long for her happy wedding. only to have it marred by the starring role of an impossible and disgraced father.

Between the Sussex and York disaster, I'm surprised the Queen is only going to church on Sundays.

If the monarchy is to survive, it has to prune the rotten boughs: the Sussexes and Andrew.

^*frank with him (not rank, although that might have applied, too; and she should have done the same re Meghan Markle)

Harry probably needs to be emasculated if it prevents him from acting like his idiot uncle Andrew.

I’m no fan of Meghan Markle, but the problem is Harry, not her. It was his responsibility to choose well and then to help his wife transition into her role. Meghan is just being who she is. A lightweight self promoter transparently masquerading as a do-gooder. She’s no genius, but probably has at least 20 IQ points on every other member of the royal family. Possible exceptions being Kate and Ann. If the Andrew interview is an example of palace PR, I can see why Meghan doesn’t always toe the line.

She was the best Harry could do. Andrew’s interview has caused the scales to fall from the eyes of the public. The BRF are a bunch of inbred, truly moronic buffoons. To commit to a relatively insular life among them and their sycophants is like volunteering for a prison sentence. Which is why the best Harry could do was a third rate, divorced, almost peri-menopausal actress with a trashy family (no worse than his, to be fair).

They are all gross. I cut Kate some slack because she bought into the fairytale young and is probably pretty controlled by her mom. And she seem to be a good mom.

There has to be some illusion that the BRF are better than the average person, even if it is only due to the advantages they have. You can be kinda dumb and not great looking, but carry yourself with grace and have excellent manners because of advantages you were born with. Dumbass Andrew doesn’t even have that. He claims to be a non-sweaty war hero, London suit wearing, pizza eating, “extraordinary” aquaintance of Epstein the criminal pervert whose failing is that he is just too damn honorable. And he has a creepy ex-wife.

Complete asshole. Storm the gates.

And Charles is half way around the world swanning around New Zealand where the country is undergoing its own internal trauma related to a court case where a young girl was murdered by a serial sex offender. Talking about timing. And Charles as "representing the Queen" appears to be an enabler of Randy Andy's longstanding "unbecoming" behaviour.

Reposting Prince Charles' rotting foot image which media outlets have picked up. Interesting metaphor for the times the BRF is living in.

The Queen is NOT amused with Andrew.

Very appropriate R216. Feet of clay.

The Queen - is probably being counseled by lawyers, policy makers and politicians, r217. And if she isn't, she should be. This is now beyond a mere public embarrassment.

The Queen had to wake up to bad headlines. First it was Fergie and now Andrew.

The worst swollen member in that family is Andrew, to be honest.

[quote] almost peri-menopausal actress

You're ten years off. Just sayin'.

Swipe for photos of Princess Anne's special "friendship" with Camilla ex-husband Andrew Parker Bowles through the years.

It's either Kate or Meghan on the Hello cover - it's Kate's turn.

his evening The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will attend the Royal Variety Performance at the Palladium Theatre, London. The Kensington Palace website has an old photo of the Queen attending the same event.

Brooches worn by Kate.

The Queen with Anne in the sixties.

The Queen has to go to church. She's the head of it. I bet she really hates it though and every Sunday is a penance. At this point seeing what's going on with Andrew she's really thinking I've stayed too long at the fair and am too old to watch this shit unfurl. I should have died at 90.

R227-Anne was really lovely, even if for only five minutes.

R228 - the Queen is said to be a religious woman so I don't think your statement is correct. I don't think she feels the need to die anytime soon either. The longer she holds on, the better for Britain.

Will and Kate have arrived for the Royal Variety Performance at the London Palladium. I wished she wore a colorful dress.

Swipe for two videos of the Cambridge arrival.

Kate has worn a similar dress in the past.

The black lace dress is by Alexander McQueen.

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I miss the colour that Princess Diana would bring to these events. Not to mention her presence.

I don't think even the Cambridges can save this sinking ship. I no longer miss Diana. She was a dim attention addict with BPD. She'd be a disaster today.

R231 - I disagree - I think the dress is rather sexy, and in the video you can see how beautifully the he lmaterial moves. It's the illusion of nudity underneath that gives these black lace overlay dresses their heat. I think she looks great.

Contrary to the sour grapes fraus on CB, whose frenzied hatred of Kate extends even to her smile, the BRF is probably thanking God on bended knees privately for William and Kate, and for Kate's increasing status as a professional.

What tiara is that that the Queen is wearing in that link to the 1960s RV performance?

R237 - They'll bloody well try. It's another argument for the Queen finally getting the message, stepping aside for Charles, and bumping the Cambridges up to Prince and Princess of Wales. The public will know that Charles' reign will be relatively short-lived compared to his mother's, and be looking over his shoulder to the future of the monarchy, William and Kate.

Kate's hair looks gorgeous, the close-ups show how glossy it is.

It's the hair Meghan keeps trying to pretend she has, but doesn't.

Lor', if those photos really are of Charles's feet, my sympathies to the Duchess of Cornwall.

They look diseased, they really do. I wonder if he could be suffering from Type II diabetes? That would account for poor circulation, especially if accompanied by hypertension and-or heart issues.

I think given the disasters that are the Sussexes and Scummy Randy Andy, the Queen should step down now so that her reign doesn't end with the double shock of her death plus a new King Charles.

Meaning, get the public used to King Charles now so that there is more of a sense of stable continuity already in place when she dies. The loss of the most popular monarch in Britain's history plus the adjustment to middling-popular Charles was always going to be a tough transition. But now that the "poor me" Sussexes have been flipping the bird at the taxpayer every chance they get and are easily the most hated Royal couple in Britain's recent history, and Andy's repugnant randiness is back in the news every day, the monarchy is not at a stable position unless those two elements are visibly sidelined. They won't be until Charles takes the throne because the Queen hates confrontation and Philip is too ill, so, another reason for her to pass the torch.

The Queen needs to take all the stabilising steps she possibly can right now, while there is still time.

Agree, R241. It's time. If the monarchy is to be saved at all, it has to move forward. If Elizabeth really meant her oath to serve her subjects all her days, this would be a fulfillment of that oath. To stay on now seems stubbornly selfish, underscores the entitlement from which the entire family suffers and threatens the very thing she pledged her life to protect.

r241 Or the Monarchy can just die the natural that it probably should. Nobody I know seriously believes in an inherited head of state. I'm shocked it exists at all in Europe.

It also exists in the middle east and in parts of the far east, r243. It's hrdly a "European" phenomenon to have a Royal Head of State in the 21st century.

Two Queens - Elizabeth and Margrethe of Denmark.

Most countries in the Middle East with monarchy's are not really democracies - they are almost dictatorships. So that somewhat explains why monarchies exist in the Middle East. But I don't understand how a country that considers itself a progressive democracy can still have these money sucking families who do nothing. Charity work my ass -- they are paid far too much for far too little.

Cue this little vignette, r246.

Looking at those feet again. Looks like Diabetes feet. And it looks like a sore developing on one of his feet.

Charles, you in danger gurl!

Kate has beautiful hair, but you can see from her hairline that she’s wearing extensions. No complaints—it does look great. Many younger women, including those with great hair, wear extensions to get the thicker length that’s in style right now.

Nothing beats the number of extensions MM wore on Remembrance Day. It looked like she was wearing three wigs on top of one another.

No complaints there either, r250. The hair extension business is booming. Pretty much every woman (with money) under 40 wears them. They make poor hair look decent and good hair look great. I do think MM’s hair looks nice in your link.

Edo is looking more and more like another poor choice grifter that the family can ill afford.

WHY did Andrew do the interview. His own PR person QUIT when he insisted on going ahead. From both a PR and LEGAL perspective it was a disasterous folly.

Charles' level of swelling indicates he's on prednisone for an immune issue.

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You’re looking at her fingers, r254, but have you checked out her husband’s nose? Tbh I don’t think her fingers are bad at all, and I think he got his nose fixed.

R255-Wasn't he a rugby player? There's one case where I can see a nose job being justified. The old one might have gotten smashed to bits.

I like his wonky nose. One of the more handsome deformed noses out there, inexplicably.

He's since gotten the wonky nose fixed. I can't imagine how he breathed through that thing he used to have. I'm still astonished by her fingernails. They're the size of peas.

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r259 Not to worry. Camilla can suck that ring off his finger after just one G&T.

It's Edo's birthday!

Swipe for the life of Queen Victoria's eldest child.

The Queen's necklace collection Part One.

r263 This topic isn't about the Queen's necklaces you ignorant cunt. Try to stay on topic or start a new one.

How do you folks think the various Royal Families' swollen digits (i.e. Andrew and Zara chronicled above) would feel about the Oriental Circlet tiara? It's one of my favorites along the Cyclamen Tiara owned by the Duke of Westminster. However, they are of such delicate construction that any female who dare to wear it must, absolutely MUST use a rigorous schedule of diuretics to rid her extemeties of the cursed Windsor edema. Except for Meghan, of course, her head came preternaturally and unremittingly swollen. FFS, Victoria's head was swollen enough!

I'm so sorry! Oopsie, whoopsie! Pardon me, but my post at R265 was meant for the ignorant, presumptuous, ill-advised, and supremely cunty R264.

R261, Wait, what? Edo is a (fellow) Scorpio! Well, good for you, Bea! Grab it and hold onto it, and have the ride of your life!

R265 - I think those swollen digits would feel that the Oriental Circlet Tiara is far too dangerously pointy on the top to be safe for them to wear, and they would prefer something more gently rounded and less likely to puncture something at an inopportune moment - such as, e.g., during a state banquet.

Any suggestions? The Vladimir might do with those nice circlets that don't end in points.

Signed, Another Moronic Cunt Who Doesn't Mind Taking the Occasional Jewllery Break From Important Topics Like Charles' Toes

Now the link works! "Gowns of the BRF"

I do hope Della chimes in.

[quote]more gently rounded and less likely to puncture something at an inopportune moment - such as, e.g., during a state banquet.

Oh, dear, YES! Imagine if the pointy-wearer bowed, turned her head and inadvertently, POW, gored some royal digits right there and then. To see lymph fluid and other biohazards spurting all around the State Banquet table... Gah.

Which is why I would advise the clumsiest to adopt Kate's wedding tiara. The lovely Cartier Halo. So those who may not know what "Halo" means, it is an ephemeral object when materialized in the real world is rounded and incapable of puncturing human or animal skins or dreams.

R270 - Excellent suggestion!

Then there are of course the bandeau tiaras: the Greville Kokoshnik and the Queen Mary Bandeau that dear Meghan grumpily agreed to wear, and Lord knows with her legs it was a wise decision - one unforunate loss of control over one of those spears and Charles, sitting nearby, could have found himself minus the Family Jewels!

I imagine those are swollen these days, too.

Speakin' of which - doesn't diabetes render many men unable to, er, you know . . .?

It's a bit shocking that You Know Who wasn't more proactive in neutralizing her endlessly embarrassing relatives. At the very least, she could've gotten Pops away from Sam, get him on her side.

R272 - Well, you know, in royal life as in all else, timing is everything. There was JUST so much going on after the engagement that she didn't have time to mend fences with Pops, especially after pointedly making sure that he and Harry never met until she had Harry well and truly corralled.

[quote]Speakin' of which - doesn't diabetes render many men unable to, er, you know . . .?

I can only imagine Camilla's relief now that the tampon-badgerer has been quelled to a certain degree.

I believe the large pearl brooch worn by Queen Margrethe II in R245s pic was passed down to her via her paternal great grandmother who was a Romanov grand duchess.

R256 - Margrethe also has some extraordinary emeralds. She isn't short on royal jewellery by any means. She gave Mary a stunning, huge sapphire and diamond brooch upon the birth of the next heir, Prince Christian. It hangs on a diamon chain, and Mary only brings it out on very special occasions.

72 years ago today, this happened. Couldn't Andrew wait a day to announce his withdrawal from public duties? A complete asshole.

The Queen's necklaces - Part Two.

r277 She and "The Dook" raised him. They need to take some of the responsibility for that way he turned out.

Andrew had better hope his mother remains in good health for the time being. If HM pops off any time in the next 2 years, he's going to be accused of triggering his mother's decline and death. Whether it's true or not.

The best luck the BRF could have is if Elizabeth goes in the next couple of years, quickly followed by Charles. Put the relatively young and wholesome Cambridges front and center. If possible, bring Harry and Meghan back into the fold to perform the glitzy second-tier activities and bring in the woke factor, such as it is. Keep Anne and Edward and Sophie around for the little things, sink 3/4 of the other charitable patronages that nobody, not even the charities, care about, and shove all other relatives, most especially Andrew and his ex-wife, into the shadows. Bea and Eug can come to Trooping of the Color: Otherwise, keep them and all of the other cousins as private citizens wearing silly hats.

The Swedenization of the BRF can't come fast enough, if they want the institution to have a prayer of surviving into the second half of the 21st Century.

72 years, dear God. Did any of their ingrate descendants remember to post messages on IG?

Meghan to Harry: We are getting fucking divorced before this happens to US!

Kate, sweetly, to William: I wonder where Rose H. will be by then?

Camilla to Charles: Thank God, that's something WE don't have to worry about!

Bea to Edo: Oh, I just can't wait for then so the world can see how successful our marriage was after their nasty comments about what a cad you are!

R278 - I don't know, some of those look awfully "busy" to me, if you know what I mean.

The Queen I think leant the Floral Bandeau necklace to Kate for the state banquet for the Spaniards - one of my least favourite looks on Kate EVER.

The sapphires on the George VI Sapphire Suite are scrumptious. I think that necklace is my favourite.

The Four-Row Japanese Pearl Choker is something no middle-aged woman should wear on her neck. I believe she leant it to Diana a few times. It looked much better on Diana. It is meant for a young throat.

[quote]It is meant for a young throat.

So is my dick.

HA HA HA!!

Kate was suppose to accompany William to the Tusk Awards this evening but she canceled due to the children. Are the kids sick? Does Baby Louis have separation anxiety?

She's probably knocked up real good, again.

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R286 - I hate to agree, but that's the best guess that will run like flame down the wires, as she's never pulled out of an engagement at the last minute due to kid stuff ever before. She has a very competent nanny who can deal with a cough, unless it's strep or tonsillitis or something; or maybe a broken bone or concussion, but if George had falled off the monkey bars and been rushed to hospital we'd have heard about it this late in the day.

I wonder if even Kate's steely nerves are getting frayed? Otherwise, the best guess, given her difficulties in the first trimester, is she's up the duff again.

If she is, the poster whose friend Zamorah Queen of the Gypsies insisted that she is, will have turned out to be right, after all.

And if Zamorah is right about everything else . . . goodbye, Sussexes.

We'll see . . . they usually announce pregnancies quickly in Kate's case, as she gets so sick.

If she is - I do hope it's twins.

Cambridge Twins would be hilarious. The look of fury on MeAgain's face as she and her insurance policy slide further and further down the ranks and into irrelevancy would be priceless to behold.

R289 - Precisely. There is no way in hell the British taxpayer is going to take kindly to supporting the life of the 8th in line. I did read somewhere that there are twins in Kate's family somewhere . . .

But even a singleton will push Harry out of the important six places from the top, which cuts his "Regent" chances down to less than - well, Nigel Farage's chances of becoming PM on 12 December.

With all that has happened, I expect Edo to bow out. Perhaps he will reuninte with his baby mama for the sake of Wolfie.

R291, he’s in a bad spot, isn’t he?

Oh well, it doesn’t bother Jared and Ivanka, having criminal in-laws. The more the merrier!

Edo has to go through with it at this point, or he'll be twice branded a cad: once for leaving his babymama, and again for leaving Bea in her time of need.

The marriage won't last, though: He'll stay for 1 baby and 3-5 years, take his payout, and GTFO. But then, that's always what was going to happen.

I was wondering about Edo. This isn't what he bargained for. Although, in fairness, it was hardly invisible over the last year and certainly getting ugly when the engagement was announced.

Well, this is his test of how supportive a husband for Bea he will make.

I wonder if Philip is still compos mentis enough to know what is going on, and if so, I'd give a good deal to hear his, er, comments.

If Philip isn't compos mentis any longer, then he can't be suppotive of the Queen, and that might account for her inability to banish Andrew completely. He may have taken on Philip's role of supporting her in recent years.

And we haven't heard a peep from the others, have we? Anne, Edward . . . the married-ins would naturally remain silent.

The word on Kate today is still the sick child/no child care for her pulling out of the Tusk Awards last night, although she did meet in the afternoon with the awardees.

I'm stll not sure whether I believe it or not.

A younger Charles with his short, chubby fingers on display.

I wonder if Andrew will be at this big do?

A frisky Diana.

Car steal me gloss red is not attractive on anybody.

R298 - I would usually agree, but damn that woman carried it off. Red was one of the best colours.

I doubt Andrew will be seen at the Diplomatic Reception. It's very high profile: formal dresss for men, gowns and tiaras for women, family orders and medals pinned on.

Can't wait to see what Kate wears. That is, assuming she's not home in the loo with her head down the crapper from morning-sickness.

r296, He would never have been there regardless of scandal.

r297, is that real? It doesn't even look like her face, let alone her body?

If Kate is pregnant again, first trimester, the timing is certainly suggestive. It means the decision to try again for a baby happened earlier this year, when relations between the brothers became particularly frigid. Another Cambridge baby will further push Harry down the line of succession and make any more children he has increasingly irrelevant, dynastically speaking. If Meghan gets pregnant again soon, and she probably will, she and Kate will either have competing pregnancies, OR the press will be less interested in Meghan's new baby if Kate's just had one. Also, if Meghan and Harry try that shady shit with the birth announcement and godparents again, the contrast with the perfect protocol of a very recent Cambridge birth will be even more dire.

Only the Windsors could weaponize procreation in this way.

Was reading about tiaras when I learned that George V and his wife Queen Mary were cousins - both descendants of King George III, respectively his great-great-grandson and great-granddaughter.

THEIR granddaughter Queen Elizabeth and her husband Prince Philip are cousins in two different ways - they are both great-great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria, making them third cousins.

Prince Philip also had the same great-grandfather as Queen Elizabeth’s father, George VI, making Philip and Elizabeth second cousins once removed.

This family tree does not fork.

Princess Margaret almost exposing herself on Mustique.

“Supposed to”, R285, never “suppose to”.

Don’t feel bad - it’s a very common error made by illiterates.

they’ll postpone the wedding, and then after a year they’ll cancel it. I actually think spinster Bea would make a good working royal, she seems like she’d take to the work and even if she’s no beauty she does sort of ‘pop’ in appearances in a natural way that Smeg could never hope to.

Edo is using these developments to negotiate a better prenup for himself, no worries.

Edo is going nowhere, much as the Megstans might like him to. His parents are longtime friends of Andrew.

The wedding will be low-key and lovely, and they will remain together for at least 15 years. There will be three children, and they will remain friends after they divorce, just as they were when they met each other as children themselves.

Maybe Bea and Edo should get married in Italy. It will be away from the glare of British paps and tabloids, the wedding can be on a smaller scale yet still be special because it’s on the continent, and it’s a nice nod to Edo’s Italian heritage. Bea will be, after all, an Italian countess after this marriage.

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I'm not Italian but from what (very very little) I know Italians put family first; pride themselves on basic wholesome, decent values and Pedrew and his "unbecoming" behaviour would be a deal breaker. Edo - whatever his own values are - comes from that stock. Plus the minor issue of dried up funds, decimated local, national, international prestige, and what we now have absolutely confirmed as Fergie's unstable character (waving at strangers while going into BP doom and gloom chamber) do not make for a very enticing lure to marry dear ol Bea. Does Edo want to be tainted with and shackled to the likes of Pedrew's with his irreparably damaged reputation? and did I mention - dried up funds? The Yorks now have the stenchl of frenzied desperation about them and when they slip into that mode, they engage in even crazier gambits to shore up their bank accounts. The Yorks almost make the mafia look like schoolkids. Oh...and who knows what else, what other "scandals" lurk in Pedrew's closet? People out to get him? People who want him extinguished?

If Edo has any sense left, he'll navigate to calmer shores. Closer to home.

Nope. Edo will marry Bea, whatever you might hope, r311

Moving the wedding to Italy would under other circumstances be a good idea. But at her age, the Queen is unlikely to be able to do that, and the Queen will feel that her attendance is a must - not only that, but she's fond of her grandchildren and will want to attend. They will absolutely circle the family wagons around Bea, everyone will be asked to show up.

The carriage ride and television coverage were ditched much earlier than last week's PR disaster for Andrew, it was always going to be lower-key than Eugenie's, because of public outrage at the security costs. Those costs will still be there because of the attendance of the Queen and her next two heirs (possibly three if Prince George is in the bridal party), but with the wedding reduced to completely private, there will be less exposure and less cost.

All the senior royals will now likely attend to show family solidarity and not let Bea down.

And with her latest insistence on thrusting herself into the news again with her PR leaking the bit about Meghan wanting to "curl up under the table" at Andrew's remark about men and six, despite allegedly having withdrawn from public exposure for six weeks, she may just have cut the Sussexes off the guest list.

That is, if they're still in the BRF.

By the way, I am also wagering on a pregnancy announcement by the Sussexes the moment their six-week "holiday" from royal "work" is over. She has to get that second baby born within the BRF before she and Harry jumpt ship.

^*men and sex (not six)

I also think Bea and Edo will marry, and be happy, at least, in the short term. Isn't he supposed to be wealthy, in his own right? The timing of Andrew's interview has been disastrous, and I admire how forcefully Charles has dealt with the mess. But the York sisters are well-liked by their family, and they're not responsible for their disastrous parents. I've made fun of their fashion sense, but in interviews, they're very well-spoken and charming, and I still think they're assets to their family.

Swipe for the tragic life story of Queen Victoria's daughter Princess Alice.

I hadn't considered that Beatrice may not want Harry and Meghan at her wedding, R313. Sad if the relationship between Harry and the girls is now strained.

Nice tattoo.

Thanks to you bitches, now I’m watching “The Crown”!!

I think this scandal marks the true beginning of Charles' reign, even if he hasn't got the title yet. The Queen is obviously too old and frail to handle things properly, and apparently she has been for some time. The best thing she could do is let Charles run things behind the scenes for a while, and then, in a couple of years when things are quiet again, retire so that he can have a decade or so in the big chair. That will also allow William and Kate some time as Prince and Princess of Wales.

Hopefully an in-control Charles will kick all of his loser relatives to the curb, including his second son & spouse if the Sussexes won't shape up.

I bet part of the "six week holiday" includes IVF.

That's the exact point made in the Sun today, although more critically. They are also saying Charles's time has come, but they claim he's not stepping up the way he should

Sorry I mean to address the above ^^^^ to r320

R321 called it.

Well the whole point of a wealthy entrepreneur marrying into the BRF is prestige. This is now a dead branch and I wouldn't be surprised if Edo and his family are keenly disappointed. So we'll have to see if he feels he must marry into this totally disgraced family the mother being a trashy grifter selling for huge amounts of money royal access and the father sexually abusing teenage girls with one of the most sexually depraved men in modern times. And all in front of an entire appalled world.

No matter how cuddly they like to be in public this is basically a social union which for Edo will serve no purpose. He can now do a hell of a lot better for his own family stock. And at 36 he better start looking and fast. His parents and Andrew are friends? Ha! That's not the way it works.

Or, r325, they might just be in love and want to be together.

R326 You watch an awful lot of rom coms don't you?

Beatrice is not her father. She has a different, younger set of society connections/business opportunities. These events may have shaved a few years off the length of their marriage for Edo because there’s a bit less prestige now, but Beatrice is still a Princess and granddaughter of the Queen. It’s still worth it for him.

With the news that Bea was instrumental in persuading her father to do the car crash interview, and who has been in tears ever since, the picture re Edo and Bea darkens a bit.

Truly, love is blind. I don't mean Bea's for Edo, I mean Bea's love for her father and refusal to believe that no one who really heard him speak and explain could not see how noble, innocent of crime, he was.

"If you could see him like I do, he wouldn't look sleazy at all"

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Gosh his hair really has gone white. If the Queen doesn't step aside, anointing or no anointing, she will be making a huge mistake. Charles will have five minutes, at this rate, to save the ship from being dashed on the white cliffs of Dover.

Bea has those set of society connections/business connections because of her father. Don't kid yourself. And an awful lot of organizations are distancing themselves from him. But as noted she is still the Queen's granddaughter though the Queen asking Andrew to move his office and staff from the palace is pretty disastrous. She herself then does not see this as a blip in the history of family scandals but one of disastrous proportions and it is nowhere near over. Andrew still has a lot of explaining to do as a possible sex offender. And his professional invitations to the palace which must have been quite an enticement to possible business partners is over.

Yes the marriage might still go ahead because Edo will not want to be seen as nothing but a social climbing bounder but let's face it a princess was not going to fall in love with a bartender at the National.

looks like he now has a nose like Pinocchio after a lie.

The Express asserts that a new YouGov poll for the SUN that the public are against any more public funding for Meghan and Harry, and that the Sussex's popularity continues to slide, with Kate now far more popular than Meghan - the British public, that is, of course. 60% of the public agree that some public funding for the Cambridges and the Queen are appropriate, but only 38% feel that way toward the Sussexes. Charles and Camilla come out somewhere in the middle.

Whilst in a hereditary monarchy popularity polls are essentially meaningless, the bit about the attitude toward public funding is far from meaningless and another warning shot against indulging the petulance and bad behaviour of royals far away from the succession.

It really is time for the Sweden Effect to be implemented in Britian. Cut down the number of patronages, thence you will need fewer royals on the payroll. Cut Andrew and the Sussexes loose along with the Gloucesters and Kents, retain Anne and the Wessexes, who all look like they have plenty of pep left in them for official work for 10 or 15 years as the Cambridge kids get older, wait a few years and then, if necessary, bring Eugenie forward as she alone in the York stable seems to have been untouched by the Epstein scandal, and she's appealing and sweet. She doesn't look quite as silly as her older sister, who seems to have inherited some of each of her parents' foibles: bad judgement and tone-deafness.

It will be Charles's job to right the ship, and William's and Kate's to steer it safely into the future. If they fail, the Windsors are over.

R334, the Sussexes are going nowhere, and I say this as someone who hates the BRF and the idea of royalty. There is no way they are giving up their royal access and titles and, especially, the money.

^ I have to add, especially how you cherry picked who stays and who leaves in r334. The Swedish downsizing considered only familial connections and how they related to the crown. No way Anne, Edward, and especially Bea get to stay in this scenario, and Harry leaves—unless he wants to, and believe me as long as he’s married to MM he won’t want to.

I like Meghan. She is a very attractive charmer with a killer smile and charisma for miles. If I were straight I would be enormously attracted to her. But she has the sincerity and depth of a Hollywood agent and is tone deaf to an astonishing degree. She won half the battle with her charm but then she pulls boners like the baby shower, the Wimbledon seating and the gross hypocrisy of her concern about climate change. And she and Harry need vacations from vacations. She seems to come by supreme royal arrogance and stupidity with no training whatsoever.

R337 - LOL. She is, as they say, "self-taught". I don't find her as attractive as you seem to, it's all so totally artificial looking these days (although in her early "Suits" days I would agree she looked lovely).

I once attended a public master class at The Juilliard School in New York City, thanks to a friend whose son was part of the vocal department there, given by Luciano Pavarotti. One thing he said to the students participating was that "You cannot hide onstage - you cannot bring something to it that you really do not have within you in some form."

I think entering royal life at this level is akin to going onstage. For all its artifice, it ends up revealing who you really are. And that has been Meghan's problem, just as it was Diana's: the global stage only revealed their real personas, which were antithetical to what being royal requires, especially at the top, most notably, the ability to subsume the self into the role.

And that was where Kate had it all over Meghan, and why Meghan is failing where Kate is succeeding. Because in the great scheme of things, in this game, no one really cares what Kate thinks and she knows it. They care about her carrying out her role appropriately.

Diana only got away with it as long as she did because she was so much younger when she married in, so lovely and so photogenic and charismatic - and, of course, her early death rather whitewashed much of her bad behaviour.

But it's a stage that magnififes rather than conceals the persona of the people in it, and that's where the great pitfall really is, and the mistake people make when they thought Meghan would be great for it because she was an actress.

Oddly, "a schemer and an actress" is exactly how Diana's grandmother, Lady Ruth Fermoy, characterised her.

I feel sorry for Eugenie. Apparently she was the only one in the immediate family who was against Andrew doing the BBC interview, and she has now been proven completely right. Tough spot to be in emotionally.

The only thing the Yorks and kids are worried about are their own backsides. With Pedrew losing his patronages, he will forever be the laughing stock and a reviled figure symbolizing everything that is wrong with the British monarchy. They have no accountability to the populace that funds them. They act, well....like royalty and that's the problem. They believe too much of their good press, which panders for the most part to their insatiable egos and it gotten out of control. On the topic of MM, her acting ability is not quite Oscar worthy yet. She's transparent in her desperate grasping for the glitz and glam trappings. That's the same kind of people she attracts and feeds off. I'd say the main and only remaining "mystery" surrounding the BRF is how long it is going to take for the public to finally call it a day on the entire firm.

R325, I predict that he will go back to the baby mama, if she will have him. The child and all as the pretext for getting out of Dodge.

The odds of the marriage going through are slim. His reasons for wanting the union have vanished.

I suspect it is Bea who really needs to be looking for a replacement.

Poor ol Bea. If only she had married a year or so ago. Now....hate to say it....but who would want to be related to Pedrew and that thing, Fergie. If Charles doesn't sideline that bunch, William will blast them to Outer Mongolia never to be seen or heard of again. Pedrew's problems have only just begin.

Edo would never live it down if he broke the engagement. The sensible thing for him to do is stand by Bea, be a gentleman and show the BRF he's not a fair weather arriviste, and they odds are that when HM is gone and Andrew has been out of the picture for a few years, the BRF will remember Edo was steadfast. They have it in their power to reward the faithful with things like Grace and Favour homes, additional trust funds, etc. Edo's children will still be great-grandchildren of a British Queen. For all we know, if he plays his cards right, they'll reward him with a title.

No, Edo's best bet is to show his good character here and take the long view.

R342 Stop trying to make Pedrew happen!

That's why I wrote he might not want to appear a social climbing bounder. I wouldn't be surprised if Charles detests Andrew at this point but I bet he has affection for his niece and would feel terrible if her marriage fell through because of his dissolute brother. I agree with you at this point Edo would do better in the long run to stick with Bea.

The good character he has shown at no other time in his life, R343? He dumped his fiance and tiny son to social climb! FFS, be real.

Wolfie is the perfect pretext to bow out.

R346 - That's exactly the point: people think he's a cad and a climber; if he really is interested in putting a stop to that, and if he's looking at the long game, he'd know he should, this is the way to do it.y

Even cads wake up one day and realise that they'll look damned silly at fifty if they haven't established a decent family life and stopped behaving like 16 year olds. Even Junot went for the decent hubby and father act after Caroline. Junot was a savvy boulevardier who saw Caroline as a way to further his social and business interests. Junot was way too old for Caroline - 16 yheears her senior. And he married a nice Danish girl after Caroline, had some kids with her, then they separated and he, too, went off and had another kid in Paris with some Swedish model without benefit of clergy.

I think Edo and Junot are a good comparison, but one isn't a low-rent anything, they are on a par socially. Both men of appetite, shall we say, but also with an eye for the main chance. And they know cads don't get taken seriously by other serious men.

Men like that know they have to abandon the cad shit for awhile, it's better for them and better for business. When the family scene goes tits up, they go back to the models and actresses.

Edo will stick with Bea; long-term, it's better for everyone all around, including him.

It may not be Edo's decision to make, r347. Mommy and daddy might X the wedding.

R348 - Why would they do that? I can see them postponing it, or moving it to Craithie Church in Scotland, but why cancel it? It would kill poor Bea, after waiting so long to be the girl whose ring is being given closeups in all the magazines and newspapers . . .

Or did you mean Edo's Mum and Dad?

They won't cancel. It's more fantasy talk from the lunatic Megstans who run down the other BRF females in the misguided belief that it raises Meghan's reputation to do so.

Bea's wedding will go ahead, and everyone will be there, and that will be that.

Bea and Edo today visited Andrew at Royal Lodge. Obviously, the wedding isn't off.

R351, I agree. The wedding will go forward.

I read that Bea has already bonded with Wolfie, and is happy to be a substitute mother to him. And Edo's former fiance did the amazingly classy thing of welcoming Bea to the family. So I think there's already a nice bond there: Edo is supposedly wealthy in his own right, so he doesn't really need to be considered a social climber. On the other hand, someone on one of these threads claimed to have known him, and mentioned that he's very proud of his title. So marrying HM's granddaughter might have its own special appeal to him.

Bea's hyena-like pop-eyed smiile as she drives in is alayrmingly reminscent of her mother's Chucky grin, and her father's feral teeth. Edo, hopefully, will bring in some amelirating DNA for the kids.

I guess Charles is resting up from the jet lag of his trip back. I'd wager a month's pension that there are royal reporters staking out the exits from Clarence House and the entrances to Buck House and Royal Lodge to catch Charles heading in for Serious Talks.

More like he's kitting out BP dungeon for meeting with Pedrew.

- Not MI5

Edward is tickled with delight. He’s not Andrew, and his dutiful wife Sophie is not Meghan. What more could the public want?

R358 - LOL. Why, is that a second chair I see there? Now, who could that be for?

But I'm the fun one, R359.

Apparently, the story has now changed, and it turns out that Bea tried to talk her father out of it, rather than into it.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall of that conversation between Fergie and the Queen's minions at Buck House. She may have had that manic grin on (frankly, I've always wondered if she were bi-polar or something) going in, but no mistake, she wasn't invited there for tea and sympathy, but to be read the riot act and told to keep her cake-hole shut and disappear or they'd start playing hardball.

Bi-polar explains a lot of Fergie's behavior over the decades, to be honest. That woman is a mess. Up until now, she's been fairly innocuous, but this entire Andrew situation is proving an existential threat to the Firm.

R362 - I agree. The FIrm is being threatened on two sides and it can't afford to let Andrew or the Sussexes get away with it. Fergie, like Diana, hid multiple personality issues under lots of charm and fun. But within a short time, I think it became clear to anyone not wearing rose-tinted specs that both women had "issues". Fergie's fun-lovingness soon turned to undisciplined boisterousness coupled with low-inhibition controls. I've thought for years she could use lithium or something.

So far, neither of the girls have shown signs of similar issues, but if I had to bet on one of them for it emerging later in life, it would be Bea, and not because of her hair colour.

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According to the Telegraph, Charles went straight to Sandringham when he arrived home, to speak with his father, who lives at Wood Farm on the estate.

It's apparently Philip all these years who has ruled the family with an iron hand, and with his withdrawal, the Queen has shown herself to be unable to do what he did.

If Charles is speaking with Philip, it either means that Philip is still compos mentis enough to hold a discussion, or that Philip's hold on life is so tenuous that visiting him trumps all other concerns.

Phillip might be clear minded. My grandfather lived to be 99 and was sharp as a tack right to the end. Not everyone develops dementia.

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If reports are correct that the Queen plans to announce Charles as Regent in 18 months or so, when she turns 95, whilst remaining Sovereign in name only, the next really swollen area of Charles' body is going to be his head.

R367 - Andrew won't be the only one in trouble: that goes for Harry, Meghan (clean up your act or get out!), and less directly, Andrew's feckless daughters, whose parents have managed to ensure that neither will ever get a chance to become working members of the BRF should Harry jump out of the line of succession taking his son with him, leaving a vacancy at the bottom of the top, so to speak . . .

Bea and Eugenie are known for being bumps on a log trained for nothing except cutting ribbons and smashing champagne bottles against ships. And wearing hats so ugly they are major public eyesores.

I think the Regent-in-18-months idea is there to give all minor Royals a timeline for making alternate plans. The Yorks, the Sussexes, various cousins, have that much time to set themselves up before King Charles III ascends and cleans house. No wonder Meghan is merching and publicizing so frantically. Her timeline for making hay is very short.

R370 - Well, the clothes don't matter that much, in fact, their awful clothes have become something of an endearing trademark; and Pss. Anne has been dressing like a 60 year old since she was 30. The royal women often dress badly - it's something of a tradition that a few, like the young Margaret, the young Queen Mother, and more recently, Diana and Kate have bucked, to varying degrees of success. Diana wore plenty of howlers, and Kate, whilse almost always pretty and correct, is hardly a trendsetter (not that she should be or has to be).

It's the rest of it. If Andrew and Fergie had been decent royals as well as (it appears) decent parents, Bea and Eugenie would have had a fair shot at replacing Harry and Meghan if they departed. The intersting thing is, had that been the case, there would have been far less hesitation about cutting the Sussexes loose.

It's the Sussexes good fortune that Bea's and Eugenie's parents cut their chances down so much. Otherwise, Charles could brutally tell his son that with two sweet, appealing newlywed Princesses of the Blood, he could fill that 6th and 7th place spot in a heartbeat, Harry and Meghan are free to leave.

It really is Game of Thrones.

You know, there is still the possibility of promoting James and Louise Wessex in a few years. They haven't been styled HRH, but their 18th or 21st birthdays would be perfect opportunities to have their Royal coming out, as it were. Their parents behave themselves, and if James and Louise do likewise . . . it could work.

You can totally see some of the Queen's face in that boy at r373. I wonder if he's her little favorite. He must be the youngest grandchild.

I think a Regency for Prince Charles is a good idea.

Someone needs to be running the show, and with this current debacle it’s clear that things have been on autopilot for a while.

Does anyone know what a "net rating" is?

^Is it simply a net approval rating for public figures?

yes r377, percentage of positive opinion minus percentage of negative opinion.

I thought Camilla was now in the positive having somewhat rehabilitated herself by keeping her own counsel, acting comfortably and friendly with the average Brit and having the future king's full support. I think she might even be queen. If it's what Charles wants who will say no to him at this point?

It's strange to me that people can't let go of the Charles/Diana mess and give Camilla credit where it's due.

I admire Camilla. She went from being "that wicked woman" to earning the Queen's Royal Family Order, for her service to the monarchy. She has joined Charles on many overseas visits (despite her fear of flying) and is friendly and sporting when meeting the public. The past is a different country. It's possible to have fond memories of Diana, but still recognize what an asset Camilla has been to Charles and the monarchy. I'm quite old, so I don't mind living in the present, with memories of the past.

I agree R381. I like Camilla a lot and she has certainly grown into her role and is an asset to the BRF. I do worry about her health. She's had some unusual absences from events recently and in videos she often seems frail and confused.

Agree on Camilla. I rather like the old broad. If Diana were alive today, I think we'd all be sick of her fuckery, so disliking Camilla for what happened decades ago seems absurd.

Unlike Diana, Camilla, rather refreshingly, obviously doesn't take herself too seriously. She's probably great fun to hoist a pint with. One of Diana's biographers pointed out that Charles's preference was for women who would mother him, not women he had to lead. Diana was looking for a Knight in Shining Armour. Charles was looking for a warm, enfolding Mum.

He was looking for a marriage like his grandparents had, she was looking for a large stage to play on.

He wanted to listen to Berlioz, she wanted to see Phantom of the Opera several times over and go to pop concerts. He was a middle-aged 32, she was a 15 year old twenty-year-old.

They were so badly suited to each other that it is an illustration of how wilfully blind the press, the public, and Charles' family were. Only Diana's grandmother and the Archbishop of Canterbury, and a couple of people in Charles' set, were willing to acknowledge the obvious.

You couldn't make it up. Frankly, I think the Wales debacle paved the way for marriages of people like Mary of Denmark, Letizia of Spain, Maxima of The Netherlands - those men's royal parents remembered what happened when the Heir married the perfect candidate, and figured that rather than be blamed for not letting the boy marry whom he wanted, they'd give permission and if it went tits up, at least the family was off the hook.

The irony is, all those marriages are going well.

Prince Charles reacts to shots being fired at him. They were blanks, but still.

Charles’ reaction:

“Oh, so this is how I die? How ironic.”

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Will at a football training centre.

A red Maple Leaf? Is MeMe trying to tell us that the Sussex family is in Canada for Thanksgiving?

The Coronation - Philip takes the oath of allegiance and nearly knocks the Queen's crown off as he kisses her cheek. LOL.

Why do they bother with 3 privacy fences at Frogmore when they're never there?

It's the backing down the steps afterward in that velver ermine tripped cloak that really looks terrifying.

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Superb post r384 . Spot on.

Oh please she was looking for a huge stage to play on?! Are you joking? She was a born star and nobody knew it least of all her. But she suddenly had this gift nurtured by a press that saw it before she did and then she ran with it becoming a Diva. What did you expect her to do force herself into becoming a wall flower? She probably became giddy with her new power to enslave the masses with adoration. And let's face it she had a real talent to attract publicity and used it for very challenging causes that nobody would dare to approach. Even the Queen supposedly asked her why she couldn't pick a more gentile cause than aids. And being so caring with these degenerates and not giving a fuck what anybody else thought? And she made fucking land minds a cause?

So what if she set her cap for Charles? People do it all the time especially at this social level. Women and men acting like big game hunters in looking for a spouse is not all that rare when the stakes are this high. And you are completely ignoring the fact that the man had a lover and she thought this was a terrible problem. This was her problem and she should have just lived with it? Why? And Charles was very jealous of her. He was the goddamn prince of Wales but everyone wanted to meet her. Charles could hear people complaining if they found themselves on his side of the carriage. This built up enormous resentment on his part and I'm sure get Charles alone and he can be a nasty piece of work. Maybe Camilla knows enough to be honest with him but at the same time knows not to outshine him. Not that she could even if she wanted to not having enough charisma. Diana being so young couldn't help it. And it's pretty funny but Charles seemed to learn a lot from Diana and to be friendlier and warmer with people. Inside though I'm sure he is exactly the same aristocratic jerk.

And as for airing the family linen she was completely alone because she knew that nobody cared but her because he was her husband. And yes she was immature and could be very spiteful but when could she ever had had the opportunity to have grown up? When she saw everything slipping away from her she became frantically desperate, selfish, and obsessive. She was given so much but didn't know at all how to handle it. Maybe for her though not for her sons who always loved her(give her credit for being a loving mother and you can't give a person more credit than that) death was a release for the terrible unhappiness that might always have plagued her.

"So what if she set her cap for Charles? People do it all the time especially at this social level. Women and men acting like big game hunters in looking for a spouse is not all that rare when the stakes are this high."

You've just proved my point: trying to paint Diana as an innocent naif is what is naive.

She helped make the bed but everyone blames Charles for her having found rocks in the mattress. She didn't love him: she loved his position. In that case, why blame him for a "loveless" marriage?!

There are a lot of ways she could have handled her marriage - all of which were probably than what she did: scream at him from morning till night, try to upstage him for the limelight, and blame everyone else on earth for her mistakes.

After that "Whatever 'in love' means" that Charles dropped during the engagement photocall, the handwriting was on the wall. She didn't care, only the status and the desire fore stardom mattered. That was on her, not him.

Yes: she was the active architect of her own destiny. That after Charles she went with Dodi Fayed tells you everything you need to know about this mental case.

How many of us ignore red flags when we want a relationship to work? Like most of us? Boy you really give a jerk like Charles a pass for everything. 'Whatever love means.' The man is as stupid as his brother. He couldn't even play at fiancée. Yes she loved his position but I happen to believe she loved him as well. And you don't think his position had a lot to do with Camilla's interest in him as well?

There was no way to handle that marriage. Charles was too jealous and probably physically rejected her which was for a young woman like her devastating. So of course she had to turn to other men. Yes she became a stalker but she as you say was mentally ill. In that royal family she sure wasn't the only one.

In Tina Brown’s book The Diana Chronicles she interviewed several of Diana’s friends - Diana told them that after Harry was born, Charles never touched her again.

Well, r400, to be fair by the time Harry was born the War of the Waleses was at full throttle behind doors and was right about to break out beyond those doors. Also she was seeing James whatever since right after Harry was born, so she wasn't touching Charles either.

R393, so I’m not the only one who noticed? I’ve been saying that since the confusion and goalpost-moving about which property they’d receive. Like the tiara, MM didn’t like what she was given, and she will do whatever she can to avoid living there.

I'm not giving Charles a pass - I'm refusing to give Diana a pass. You seem to equate the two. I'm giving neither of them a pass but you seem determined to let Diana off the hook with phrases like, "So what if she her cap at him?!" You're determined to give a pass to a woman who refused to take NO for an answer and set out to trap her prey like an eagle after a rabbit. This is someone you looked straight into a camera and said, "No, I've never courted the press," and you could hear the jeers from outer space. That and her deathless "Queen of People's Hearts".

I'll bet Charles didn't touch her again after Harry - men generally lose their sexual appetite for a woman who fucking screams at them every day. He actuallly became terrified of her because of her moods, rages - try reading up on the scenes where she walked around a room banging her fists against walls and furniture growling, "Charles, Charles, Charles, Charles . . . ." That sweet faced kindergarten aide in flat shoes and doe-eyes disappeared on the honeymoon, never to return.

I stated in more than one post that they were so badly matched it was incredible that the press and everyone around them aided and abetted the fairy tale with the truth in plain sight right in front of everyone, but no one would say so.

Charles should have told his father to go fuck himself and married the woman he loved, and the Queen should have said to Charles, "She's batshit crazy, and if you marry her, you are, too."

And that's what Charles should have said to his idiot second son when he saw him marrying a woman with so many similar patterns to Diana that Freud would have a field day. And the Queen should have told Harry what she should have told Charles.

What did the man say? Crazy is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a differen result.

What the fuck is wrong with these people? It's fucking Biblical - the sins of the fathers being visited upon the sons, yea, unto the seventh generation.

Why don't they ever learn from their mistakes?!

I was going to post, but R403 said pretty much everything I wanted to say. Charles and Diana were a match made in hell, and they both contributed to the shitshow that was their marriage: You can't let either off the hook.

Oh, please. He didn't physically "reject" her. She made his life an absolute misery - that tends not to do much for marital sex. She was demanding, moody, screamed at him when he went on doing the things he'd done all his life, she was a pathological liar and like most people with narcissistic personality disorder, actually believed her own lies.

And you still haven't addressed the fact that even after presumably "growing up" she wrecked someone else's marriage, and the last man in her life was that sleazy child-man run by his Papa, the corrupt Mohamad Fayed?!

Diana was a bottomles pit of need who wanted adoration and affirmation and attention 24 hours a day. No man on earth could have given her that.

You act as if his rejection came out of nowhere. Well, by the time they got back from honeymoon, she was already in an alarming mental state.

She was fucking crazy when she married him, and he was a fucking sap not to have enough emotional savvy to see it and simply refuse to let himself be corralled.

It was a perfect storm.

A few days into the honeymoon, Diana went into a violent fit and ripped up Charles's paintings.

She was a headcase who hid her real nature until the ring was firmly on her finger, then she let fly from nearly day one of the marriage.

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That book by Penny Junor is horse shit, the honeymoon and aftermath were one of the few times they were happy. Junor is.a hack.

You were there, r408?

R408 - Actually, other biographers, some of whom, like Sally Bedell-Smith ("Diana in Search of Herself") were very sympathetic to Diana, but reported the same types of behaviour being unleashed as soon as the honeymoon was over. Tina Brown is no fan of the BRF and went for its jugular in her biography, but she also had to include just how badly Diana began behaving and just how soon.

Junor is most definitely a Charles-Side journo, so is Ingrid Seward. But not all the biographers were and every one of them except Andrew Morton, who was only allowed to tell Diana's side of the story or lose the millions he made off her (he said casually later on that that book put his children through school, which means they weren't going to state schools) for obvious reasons, had to include what many witnesses privately told them about Diana's manic behaviour.

There are no biographers outside of Morton who did not have to acknowledge that Diana's behaviour was manic, destructive, self-destructive, began eroding the possibility of a decent marriage as soon as the honeymoon was over, that she had to be sent back to London for psychiatric help that first summer at Balmoral, and that she drove Charles crazy with exhorbitant emotional demands for attention.

For what it's worth, she did the same thing to Hewitt, Oliver Hoare (remember the hundreds of phone calls she was finally discovered to be making to his home day in and day out?), and Hasnat Khan, all of whom realised that she was impossible, although Hewitt hung on until she decided to ghost him one day. Then he cooperated on a book and she professed herself so disappointed that he made money off her in an interview . . . but she omitted to mention that one day she simply stopped taking his calls andhe might have felt just a tad resentful and paid her back for it.

You can look back and find that Edward VIII dropped his long-time lover, Freda Dudley Ward, when the BP phone operator said to her, "I"m so sorry, I don't know how to tell you this, but I have orders not to put you through."

Then you have Meghan ditching her father and her family (both sides) on the way up . . .

Amazing how the pattern keeps reasserting itself, innit?

Junor and Seward may be royal hacks and pro-Charles - but everyone who wrote about Diana knew about the manic behaviour, the sulks, the rages, the craving for incessant attention.

Diana wasn't able to have one single solitary successful relationship with any man she got involved with throughout her life.

Thinking back on it, that fawning sleaze who had a fiancee parked on a yacht with an enormous engagement ring on not too far from his Papa's, was just about Diana's level.

Everything R410 said. Plus, it is suggestive that the son who knew her best, William, married a woman who couldn't be more of Diana's opposite in looks, background, and personality. Only Harry, who wasn't forced into an emotionally incestuous 'confidante' relationship the way William was, married his mother. And he will suffer for it.

Diana ripped up Charles paintings? Have you seen Charles' paintings? Who wouldn't?!

What's interesting is that William married a woman like his beloved nanny, Tiggy, and Harry married a Diana wannabe.

Charles' paintings aren't bad for an amateur. What I was surprised to find out is that his father paints or painted. Philip always seemed like such a macho sportif man's man.

[quote]What I was surprised to find out is that his father paints or painted. Philip always seemed like such a macho sportif man's man.

It's OK, because Churchill was a painter. Hitler too, of course.

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Swipe for the life of Prince Philip's mother, Princess Alice.

Kate's earring collection - Part Two.

The Queen's cousin Princess Alexandra of Kent (first photo) and the Queen's aunt by marriage, Princess Alice of Gloucester.

Where on earth did he get those ears?

Two photos of the Queen in all her finery.

If you need a laugh today.

He got those ears from the Hanovers. Check out the Duke of Kent. He's got them, too.

Princess Alice of Gloucester is one of my favourite last generation royals. A woman of strength, character, benevolence, and the kind of quiet beauty that used to be much admired but isn't any longer. Now it's all tits and lots of hair and legs.

What's wrong with tits, lots of hair and legs?

Speaking of the very personable Duke of Gloucester, A.N. Wilson in his witty book once said that the House of Windsor was on its way down and that the Queen should "declare" the Duke the next heir to the throne. I'm surprised that Wilson forgot that the Queen has no power to do any such thing, she can only suggest that Parliament make the change.

But here are some of Wilson's views on the current set of heirs (this was published in 1993), excerpted from a review:

Queen Elizabeth II's children are unsuitable to inherit the throne.

The Queen should declare Richard, Duke of Gloucester, who is married to a Dane, Birgitte van Deurs, as heir to throne.

Prince Charles, is ``an extremely odd man' with a ``second-rate mind'

Diana was a self-mythologizing, ``hysterical' sort

The Queen: always prepared to seem useless and busy at the same time.

Wilson also pointed out that the continuing high level of support for the monarchy is not merely based on sentiment, but a shrewd dislike of an elective presidential system. They believe that the monarchy acts as some sort of check on the power of Parliaments and Cabinets.

I assume Wilson was being humourous about the Queen "appointing" a different heir. As a well-educated British journo and writer, Wilson should know that the line of succession is set down in law, and only Parliament can change it. She could, of course, draw up a bill and present it for a vote . . .

Other than that, I find his comments completely on point.

My guess is you would find Prince Richard, HRH The Duke of Kent, emigrating to his wife's native Denmark on the next plane out in the event of such an offer.

[QUOTE] Princess Alice of Gloucester is one of my favourite last generation royals. A woman of strength, character, benevolence,

Cecil Beaton said she was a cunt. He actually took to his bed the next day after a photo session, from the exhaustion of it all.

If Cecil Beaton said she was a cunt, then Pss. Alice has gone up several pegs in my estimation.

As he was rather a cunt, himself. He grovelled to the top people (like the Queen Mother, whom he ignored whilst Duchess of York and then claimed to have totally fallen in love with when she suddenly became Queen).

Pss. Alice wasn't known for suffering fools gladly. She probably saw right through him.

Beaton was an incredibly gifted individual creating some of the most iconic costumes for film ever and some of the most iconic photographs of the 20th Century.

His diaries can be painful he is so unsparing in his observations about the physical decline of those he loved and himself. But a snob beyond belief and incredibly stupid at times of what he put into print. His descriptions of photographing the BRF are entertaining. Too bad he died just before Diana married into it. His photos of her and diary entries about her would have been very interesting.

R428 - Quite right, and I was not for a moment questioning his artistic accomplishments. But an incredible snob, he was, and not exactly the deepest of fellows. I remember an incredibly hurtful remark he made about photographing Greta Garbo in her forties and whingeing about how disappointed he was because he could see she wasn't perfect any more, she was getting a little sagging under the chin.

Here is more information about Princess Alice:

"Hugo Vickers called Princess Alice "a very private person who was not widely known to the general public" despite being the third highest ranking lady in the royal family at the time of her marriage. It was well known she disliked large parties. Peter Townsend said of her: "She possessed classic, serene good looks and sincerity shone from her mild face. But she was painfully shy, so that conversation with her was sometimes halting and unrewarding, for you felt that she had so much more to say, but could not bring herself to say it."

"During World War II, the Duchess worked with the Red Cross and the Order of St John. She became head of the Women's Auxiliary Air Force (WAAF) in 1939 as Senior Controller, changed to Air Commandant on 12 March 1940, and appointed Air Chief Commandant on 4 March 1943, when she took over as director until August 1944. When the WAAF became the Women's Royal Air Force (WRAF) in 1949, she was appointed an Air Chief Commandant (equivalent to Air vice-marshal) in the new service on 1 February 1949. She was

She was promoted to Air marshal on 1 September 1968, and to air chief marshal in the Royal Air Force on 23 February 1990. She also served as deputy to Queen Elizabeth, the consort of George VI, as Commandant-in-Chief of the Nursing Corps."

She carried out a much heavier role in WWII than most of the other royal women.

You may imagine that Beaton far preferred the glib charm (and I say this with all due respect) of the Queen Mother, used to enchancting people from childhood with said legendary charm, to the quiet and reserved Alice.

Like the Queen Mother, with whom Alice got on well, Alice had a backbone of steel. She just wasn't as good as the Queen Mum at hiding it.

According to Tina Brown, Camilla is a dead ringer for Prince Charles’ nanny.

Tina Brown was right when she stated in her bio that Charles wanted to be mothered and mastered. That's why the infantile Diana was such a poor match for him.

Helen Anderson, however, looks even more like a drag queen than Camilla does now. At least when young, Camilla showcased her earthy sexiness.

Naturally, Mrs Annderson, as she was called by courtesy, couldn't even if she had it to showcase, which I doubt.

R74: Potato fingerlings!!

Maybe Diana wanted an equal who was also a best friend, confidante and lover. She had no interest in being a mother and master. Charles has to be the world's most spoiled petulant geriatric toddler. Next to Charles calling Diana infantile is rich.

I would think that if Chaz becomes King, the movement to abolish the whole institution will gain momentum, and might even succeed. He's a dope and it's pretty obvious he can't be in the spotlight for long without continually making a fool of himself. The horse-faced booze-hound wife might be a nice diversion for a while, but she's no argument for supporting the hugely expensive, pointless institution. It seems clear that the reason the Queen came down so hard on Andrew recently is that she knows she herself is on the way out, one way or another, and that grumbling about the monarchy is bound to intensify when Charlie steps up - she was just ridding the family of another excuse for the people to put it out of business. I don't really give a damn about the royal family one way or the other, but the really DO nothing for the UK.

^^ they, not the....(sorry)

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The Queen releases a statement about the London Bridge terrorist attack.

Princess Victoria with her mother Queen Alexandra and her aunt the Empress Maria of Russia.

Swipe for Meghan's shoe collection.

Little did they know that this baby would grow up to be a royal sleazbag.

R442 that Ig Account is...scary.

Swipe for Princess Anne's fashions through the years.

Diana wanted an equal partner?

That's hilarious. She spent her teen years reading Barbara Cartland romance novels, was too dumb to get into university and barely made it out of secondary school, and what she wanted was an Adoring Knight to carry her off and worship her 24/7 for the rest of her life.

"It's Westminster Abbey for me, or nothing," she said.

"There cannot be anything more desirable than becoming Princess of Wales," she was heard to say.

Sure, yes, she was a truly modern woman who wanted to be equals with the Man Who Would Be King.

That's why she ended up with Dodi Fayed at 37.

She wanted a husband. You seem to find that criminal. And not once have you in any way criticized Prince Charles. All you can do is trash Diana. What is up with you? Seriously. I admit she had many emotional problems and could be manipulative and scheming, she was an individual of many sides like most of us, but you put all the blame on her but none on Charles who is a complete and total arrogant entitled jackass. Diana did more good in her life for others(not obviously for the royal family who at this point presided over by the Queen is a complete disaster. People really need to rethink their admiration of this woman. I've certainly had to.) than Charles could ever dream of doing in his more than 70 years of life.

Actually R446 - Charles has been criticised, jeered at, and trashed routinely, and he has done quite a bit of good, but in the glare of Diana's canonisation and spotlight hugging, it's hard to see.

You might want to look up the work of The Prince's Trust over the last 30 years, the organic farming methods he brought to the Duchy, turning its products into revenue generating businesses for the locals, and how his work in Gloucestershire, at Highgrove, brought back some species of flora and fauna that had disappeared due to loss of habitat.

You sound absolutely unhinged about Diana.

She wanted a husband? Are you out of your fucking mind? She wanted to be Princess of Wales - the only husband she wanted was the one who would get her onto that great big stage and fill that gaping hole in her unanchored persona and make everything right that felt wrong inside. She found out almost immediately that there was no such thing.

And you keep refusing to address the really shitty relationships she went on to have apart from Charles.

She was IMPOSSIBLE to live with in the long run, and that was why at no time in her life did she have a remotely successful relationship with any man on this earth she could have spent her life with. Hasnat Khan, the best of them, couldn't handle her any more; she drove Oliver Hoare crazy stalking him; she ruined Hewitt's life; and she ended up at 37 with a man so sleazy, immature, and low-class he made Charles look like St. George on the dragon.

You don't address any of that. She couldn't get a decent relationship going with ANYONE, not just Charles.

Diana was a young girl who intrigued her way into a position that would have shaken a much older, much smarter, and much more stable woman. That said, her family helped push her into that position: Her grandmother, Ruth Fermoy, knew how Diana was and encouraged the relationship rather than putting a stop to it, as she could have easily done, given her close relationship with the Queen Mother. None of the other Spencers said a word either, they were so eager for one of them to bag the Prince of Wales. (Sarah Spencer was one of Charles' earlier girlfriends but made the mistake of blabbing to the press and ruined her chances. They were just as happy to stick Diana in her elder sister's place.)

Charles' family was so frantic for him to marry and not turn into his Uncle David, a bachelor at 40, that they rushed him into it rather than insisting the couple date for at least a couple of years. Had they done that, Diana's instability would have come out while there was still time to end things decently: She wasn't THAT good an actress. The press also played a role in hurrying Charles and Lady Di to the altar before they really knew each other.

Charles, insecure and desperate to do his duty, let himself be badgered by everyone into marrying a pretty girl from the perfect background who seemed jolly and supportive. At 33, he was realistic enough to know that she was more in love with his position than himself, and romantic enough to think that what was essentially an arranged marriage could grow into a love match. Failing that, he was cynical enough to know that even if love weren't in the cards, he could perhaps content his wife with position and property and jewelry and form a mutually beneficial partnership.

Though they both made a lot of mistakes, you can't blame the shitshow that was the Wales marriage entirely on Charles OR Diana. It was a perfect storm of negative circumstances that couldn't have happened even 10 years later.

Why are posters arguing about Diana when the real question is whether Charles can step up as king? He's done some good things in his 50 years as Prince of Wales but he's truly a mixed bag. Perhaps some on here are too young to remember his many missteps. Andrew makes Charles look good, but that isn't saying much.

Charles is a happily married man of 71 who's been training for this job for half a century. I think he's as ready as he'll ever be. Also, given how much his mother has apparently checked out of things in the last 5 years, I'd say his Kingship or at least his regency can't come fast enough.

'When he tried to end heated arguments by kneeling down to say his prayers before bed, she would keep shrieking and hit him over the head while he prayed.'

Imagine being in a heated argument with a twit like Charles and he responds by kneeling at his bed to pray. If she had been a saner person she would have murdered him by his bedside. The man is literally a Royal asshole.

This is a weird yet oddly compelling debate about Chuck and Di. I don't perceive either as worse than the other. They were both horribly flawed people fantastically ill-suited to one another. It was sad all around. Di was no virginal lamb led to the slaughter and certainly no saint; Charles was no innocent victim either. While there may be viciously drawn lines, the debate is really at a draw. Now, continue blasting away at each other.

I sound unhinged about Diana? Charles attempts at organic farming are widely conceded to be a very costly pet hobby. His every attempt at achievement is that of an untalented amateur. Two men to dress him in the morning, traveling with his own bed and throwing tantrums if he is seated in first class? He plays at being King as a spoiled 7 year old hardly as a monarch. In that article it is shown just that at every turn in his academic life standards had to be continually lowered for him personally so that he would pass. He clearly did not belong in any school which offered any serious challenge.

A man of no accomplishments or credit. As a non royal he couldn't have gotten a job as a postal carrier even if he had had the guts to try for it.

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Right - Charles is a spoint roya; Diana was the REALLY accomplished one, right? Barely literate, got little jobs like a teacher's aide in a posh kindergarten, baby-sitting and house-cleaning, cheerily knowing she'd never need to worry about money, bought herself a nice flat with an inheritance from her Gran, and then waited to hook Mr. Right.

Hey, at least Charles tried, and in the position he was in, his royal foibles aren't exactly a surprise. ALL organic farming methods are expensive, that's why organic food costs so much more. Look it up. That's part of the problem - why do you think ordinary folk jeered at that self-absorbed bitch, Meghan Markle, releasing a story about how her darling Archie eats nothing but organic food now he's on solids?!

Nevertheless, there are no residents of the Duchy who will call Charles anything but a very good steward, who has involved himself with its running and increased its revenues instead of just sitting back, taking the money, and running. Oh, you forgot about all those increased revenues from land management and business under Charles?

The poster above who stated that they were both horribly flawed people and totally unsuited to each other has nailed it, and it's been said repeated, by me and by other posters.

It is you who is trying to make Charles the villain of the piece whilst only barely admitting that Diana had mental issues so vast that she also screwed up every last relationship with every man she ever had to do with. She had no ability to engage in real adult relationships - she also quarreled with her sister, her mother, and her brother, and assorted friends. The only reason things were still going well with Dodi was that the relationship was barely two months old, and he was perfect for her: a sleazy child without any work to speak of living off his father's money who could do nothing but fall at her feet and worship her 24/7.

And that's why she ended up dead in a tunnel in Paris at 37.

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That's pretty much it, R457. Diana was such a mess, there was zero hope for that marriage in any form (even as an arranged open, albeit discreet, marriage) and only slim hope for any long-term relationships with other men. She sounded like an utter nightmare. A fascinating, charismatic nightmare with one hell of an "It," factor, but a nightmare, nonetheless.

Charles was old enough to know what he was getting into, Diana wasn't. He should have showed some character and stood up to his father instead of caving in and marrying an obviously unsuitable woman. ruining her life and ending it prematurely in the process. At least Her Maj had the guts to dig her heels in and insist on marrying Phil or she'd refuse to become queen, what kind of a man marries at his father's behest anyway, even in this anachronistic institution.

R460 - And on that, we are completely agreed and I stated same in a previous post. I think Charles allowed himself to be cowed by the circumstances of his position, his father's pressure, the press's increasingly frenzied adoration of Diana for her beauty, sweetness, youth, innocence, etc. As I said earlier, it was a perfect storm.

Charles bears the responsibility for not standing up to all that. Diana bears responsibility for resolutely closing her eyes to the obvious and buying into fairy tales.

And both their families bear the responsibility for incredibly emotionally neglectful upbringings that are far more common amongst the British upper classes, whether royal or aristocratic, than people outside Britain are aware.

The Baking Cambridges with Mary Berry.

R456 - Bea seems to be as tone deaf as her horrid parents. Having an extravagant party when all this shit is hitting the fan is really a BAD OPTIC. Why don't they have a private party at Royal Lodge?

Swipe for the life of Queen Victoria's youngest daughter, Princess Beatrice.

The children of Beatrice and Henry Battenberg (later Mountbatten).

William has arrived in Kuwait.

Clips of Princess Margaret's life.

What was Fergie thinking?

Charles looks older than his mother, the Queen.

R463 - Because Royal Lodge is Andrew's home base and thus branded by him.

In my view, it's the last place an engagement party should have been held. I think a club is exactly the right place - it's youthful, fun, and away from royal associations. It makes Bea and Edo look like who they are trying to be: private citizens, albeit wealthy ones, behaving as such.

They can't be expected to stop living because of Andrew. She's waited a long time to be the fiancee and bride, and she's not going to give it up and shrink away and hide. I really can't quite blame her.

Who is the poster who bangs on incessantly in thread after thread about Diana reading Barbara Cartland novels. We get it! Move on! Jesus.

R471, I'm not that poster. But I think there is some significance there, in any discussion of Diana. I don't mention Diana here, very often, myself.

[quote}When Cartland learned that her young step-granddaughter, Diana Spencer, loved reading her novels Cartland began to send early copies. However, as an adult, Diana did not invite Cartland to her wedding to the Prince of Wales. Cartland was later openly critical of Diana's subsequent divorce, though the rift between them was mended shortly before Diana's fatal car crash in Paris, in 1997 According to Tina Brown's book on the Princess, Cartland once remarked, "The only books Diana ever read were mine, and they weren't awfully good for her."

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Just FYI - in those mementos of past coronations, in the middle photo of King George V and Queen Mary, they are wearing the robes of the Order of the Garter, not coronation robes.

Well I do think that the individual who trashes Diana and in some way saying there is any merit to Charles' behavior in that relationship should maybe look at Charles' relationships with Saville and Andrew. He knew all this was going on for many years as well as did the Queen. If not was she asleep for decades? We know that this woman knows everything but keeps a tight lip. Charles is a total disaster and he should be King? I can't imagine why there is any excuse for this debacle to be going on for decades. No wonder these people drove Diana nutty. She knew everything but could only hint at the slimy things going on. No wonder they did everything they could to destroy her. I really do not understand at all that poster who dumps all the blame on her.

Charles is truly a grotesque piece of scum. I was never anti monarchist and as an American found it theatrical and fun but now it seems like pure evil. They really should get rid of it. There is no defense for any of this behavior. Carson was joking about it in '84. Vanity Fair squashed a report in 2002. ABC squashed it 3 years ago. Because it wasn't up to their standards!!! Two guards are sleeping and a camera isn't working so Epstein can conveniently kill himself and when confronted with this all Kathleen Sawyer complains about budget cuts and that the camera was analog not digital. Who the fuck are these people? Why do they have their jobs? The Royal family has their tentacles everywhere.

'Savile' as in vile.

Really, R477? If Britain's monarchy is pure evil what was Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler, and Josef Stalin?

Can we get some historical perspective here?

What the fuck does Charles' marriage have to do with Andrew and Savile? She was desperate to marry him, she threw herself at him, he finally caved in, she turned out to be crazy, he tried, it failed.

And by the way, the monarchy is the top of a social pyramid that includes the hereditary aristocracy, of which Diana was a beneficiary.

Charles isn't the police. He has influence, not power. His mother has been in charge for a long time, she only recently got this frail. What do you think he should have done? Had his mother locked up in the Tower so he call the shots? We don't do that any more.

As for Savile - please, MPs knew about him, too, and they DO have power. The entire world of classical musical music knew about James Levine's little "problem", including the Metropolitan Opera's Board of Directors and the entire staff from the ushers to the singers to the triangle player at the back of the orchestra. It took 30 years to get him sacked for good and the truth out, and the Met's Board and Levine's other representatives are still pretending to be shocked, SHOCKED that there's gambling going on in this establishment.

That his brother was an insufferable arrogant twat with the brain of a pea and the moral fibre of an amoeba doesn't mean Charles didn't suffer in his marriage, pay a heavy price for it, and that Diana was therefore off the hook for her behaviour, which includes, as one must keep reminding people, stalking Oliver Hoare after their affair and breaking up another man's marraige altogether.

There are better arguments against a hereditary monarchy than some rotten apples. Frankly, our politicians seem no better: self-regarding, deaf to the electorate, vicious, and corrupt. Do we abolish Parliament?

It's not pretty, but it goes well beyond the British monarchy. Meanwhile, what do you think Charles should have done about his brother 15 years ago - locked Mum in the Tower, seized the Throne, and executed Andrew on Tower Green?

It really isn't that simple.

There was quite a lot of knowledge since the most famous possibly most powerful television personality in the US was joking about it in front of the entire country in the mid 80s. Are you telling me Charles and the Queen knew nothing despite people in the know in the media knowing it for decades? Since Andrew was working for the family 'firm' nobody including the heir to the thrown had no say in the matter? Nobody could read Andrew the riot act? Some rotten apples? Are you joking? Andrew being part of possibly a world wide sex trafficking ring with the tacit approval of the monarchy? His wife still living off the Royal dole despite trying to sell access to him for 500k? Nobody in the Royal family would have somebody else give Savile the boot?

And nobody would dare ask how much the Queen and Charles knew. Despite long dead fucking Johnny Carson announcing Andrew's perversions to everyone who speaks English 35 years ago!

oh jesus throne!!! I'm thinking of defenestre'.

R464, Bea is just like a chubby Frau I know in real life, who finally married at age 45. She had every bell and whistle and every permutation of celebration because it was HER DAY and she’s waited her whole life for it. Everybody else got to plan their dream day and wear a white pouch dress, and she’s gonna, too.

No matter how ridiculous.

Frankly, I'm as outraged by the tax deal the Windsors got from Inland Revenue early in the 20th century as I am at Charles not locking his brother up in chains in the Tower.

I can think of plenty of good arguments for abolishing the monarchy in the West in the 21st century. In a pinch, I can come up with a couple of decent arguments for keeping them on in reformed shape.

But be careful how you throw around the phrase "pure evil" - because in the last 100 years we've seen the Holocaust, the Gulag, Campuchea, Darfur, Rwanda - for most of which the West did nothing. Putin did what he liked in Georgia, the Crimea, and eastern Ukraine. So far the West, including the EU, has also left Syria to its fate.

What do you think was worse: the last Tsar's bad rulings or a bunch of thugs with rifles shooting and bayoneting five unarmed women, a little boy, and an unarmed man in a cellar?

There's a saying in law: in pari delicto. It means all hands are equally dirty.

I'm not defending Andrew or the monarchy or calling Charles a saint. I'm just suggesting that there might be a tad more nuance here than there was in, say, Pol Pot and Campuchea if you're bringing up the phrase "pure evil".

Oh, and the likelihood is that some men who are more, shall we say publicly persuasive, involved in Epstein's little sexual paradise. Because this just in:

Powerful and rich men with access to that pretty young meat rarely turn it down. Even nice liberal ones.

The Diana apologist is just plain bizarre. No one is saying Charles was superior or better. They were both twats.

Clearly the Diana trasher is saying that Diana was the one responsible for the disaster of the marriage much more than Charles. That she was a total psycho. Clearly your reading comprehension is non existent R484. And Diana implied all kinds of foul doings within the royal family years ago before her death. And this poster is insisting she was a total nut. Probably because the royal family took an immature insecure young woman and turned her into a loon.

I never believed anybody had anything to do with her death but a drunken driver but now I'm beginning to wonder. And she went public with Charles not being fit to be king not long before she died! How right she was!

And this poster has done nothing but defend Charles. He clearly is on the Prince of Wales side. To him Diana was the only twat in the marriage.

And if Savile and Andrew had been sexually abusing children for decades with impunity(dear god what Savile knew. No wonder he was untouchable.) that is evil. If you want to argue if it was pure or not that's up to you.

May I kindly interject? I'm not a prolific poster on these threads. But we sometimes get into a bad habit of creating some brand of cage-fight between two well-known people, a la Godzilla vs Mothra. Charles and Diana were both damaged people. Charles had a crushing childhood, despite all the luxuries that were offered to him. Diana was emotional and reckless. Their marriage was disastrous, and both of them were hurt. And their hurt was then examined, in excruciating detail, in public. To have an unfaithful partner hurts like hell (I know), to have your friends and family know is even more painful. I can't imagine all that being printed on the front pages of the tabloids, and eventually, the mainstream newspapers, and still trying to maintain one's composure in public. I'm very well aware of the shitty things both Charles and Diana did. But the past is another country. I don't object to discussing it, at all. But it's the past, and sometimes, it helps to simply reflect on the mistakes of the past, without picking out a cock in a cockfight.

I agree but the past has become the present at this point in time. And nobody is asking what Savile knew, why were the royal family his friends, and why did they allow Andrew to pull his nasty shit for decades. And Charles knowing all of this pretending now when they are both seniors that this matters. He should not be king. I don't care what the other poster says Charles is a nasty petty piece of work who despite his organic gardening has a carbon footprint to put Henry and Meghan to shame.

Harry

It's useless to try to reason with Diana worshippers. They never address her later behaviour with other men, or that she quarreled with family and other friends, ruined Hewitt's life, and believe everything she said about the Windsors despite the fact that she had displayed a penchant for lying in childhood. As for the accident, they also forget that she airily dismissed the RPOs the Windsors still provided her with, who by all odds would have stopped her from getting into a cat with a clearly inebriated driver. Her fans pretend otherwise, but basically, if you point out that she had a hand in the failure of her marriage, they accuse you of being Charles' apologists and never giving him any of the blame despite seeing the contrary in black and white print.

Or whatever colour they're seeing in their imaginary world where Diana was a victim, didn't have mental problems long before she married the only man she swore she would ever marry, didn't wreck one man's marriage and stalk another one, and take up with a sleazy unemployed 45 year old baby with a coke habit who was completely financially dependent upon and controlled by his father, a man of such corruption that the British government refused to grant him a UK passport.

The poster would be one amongst the crowd standing in front of Harrods' window, weeping copiously, where Fayed set up the little shrine to the two of them.

What did Carson say about Andrew?

^^*into a car (not a cat)

Swipe for the life of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall.

Kate in a green outfit has left Kensington Palace for the NATO reception hosted by the Queen at Buckingham Palace tonight.

A young Edward with hair is pictured with a bearded Andrew.

A short video of the Queen taking a young Edward to a sweet shop. It was part of the Royal Family documentary.

Charles and Camilla met with some world leaders today at Clarence House. First photo is of Canada's PM Justin Trudeau. Swipe for video of the Trumps.

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In r494, Kate has the Villainess Brows that happen with overly zealous Botox.

r499. Maybe so maybe makeup. I have always been rather tempted to pluck and then be able to pencil on brows to suit my mood. /. . for sad or . /. for angry type of thing.

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Re: R498. Melania looks like a creature visiting from mid-budget 70s TV Sci-Fi.

Trudeau's light brown shoes with navy suit might also provoke adverse comment.

Melania's cape thing makes her look like she has multiple arms.

Kate's brows are 100% due to botox. You can see the shininess between her eyebrows. I am not judging. I 'tox myself.

On, boring, I thought it was a glittery affair with gowns, if minus tiaras. But it's not even gowns.

Bummer.

Well, there's the big do on the 11th. Hopefully, that will offer more scope for relief from the rest of the news.

Tosh, who cares about her eyebrows? She looks like Betty Crocker arrived at Buck House!

Come on, Kate. You'd really better up your game next week.

R491 Here is the Johnny Carson clip from 1984, right after Prince Andrew and Koo Stark had broken up.

Carson uses the word ‘nymphette’ which is an odd choice, because that refers to girls 11 to 13 years old.

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The bastards of the world are squishing our little Queen.

Swipe for members of the Royal Family schmoozing with world leaders.

You can't even see the bottom half of Kate's dress!

I want her to stop wearing green unless it's emeralds, and I want her to stop going to things like this looking like Donna Reed on the Donna Reed Show.

All right, only Melania was dressed super cocktail, but still . . .

Who let Big Bird loose in the Palace?

R511 Poor Lillibet. Someone get her a drink!

At R511, does Elizabeth II look like anyone else's doddering granny, because she does mine! Bless her. Typically her eyes are sharp and alert, but being next to "I hear they vear coat dresses" big bird, she looks a bit googly eyed!

Melania has one of those things you wear when you are too cold or too lazy to get up off the sofa...snugglie or some crappy blanket .

Kate is an incredibly attractive women. She's weirdly a-photegenic. By that I mean sometimes she looks utterly breathtaking and others, just odd. I think it comes down to her facial expressions. Arriving in the car for tonight, for example, she looked harsh, and then at the reception, she was just lovely.

Why is she wearing banana yellow? Isn't canary good enough?

Did you see Prince Charles give Trump the middle finger in the receiving line? It's on Twitter. Way to go Prince Charles. No way that wasn't deliberate. Made my day.

R508, What's so very strange is that tiny woman is the most respected person in the room.

r494, I think that's Lindsay Lohan

[quote]she looks a bit googly eyed!

I think, in the r511 pic, her Majesty has just caught a whiff of Vairst Leddy's yeast pie.

[quote]I wonder what they're thinking.

Re: R501.

Trump: At least I don't have a paedo brother.

Charles: At least I'm not owned by Putin.

No, Charles is just owned by the Saudis. But that said, as Charles doesn't hold political office, it's an apples and oranges comparison, anyway.

I note that Kate last night was wearing the Queen's beautiful diamond drop earrings (as well as just being handed one of the Queen's oldest patronages, held by HM for the last 65 years), earrings the Queen has worn to occasions as important as the opening of Parliament along with the George IV State Diadem. The Queen is making herself abundantly clear on her preference for and approval of Kate, between Charles' two daughters-in-law.

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Photos of the royal sisters - Elizabeth and Margaret.

The Drawing Room of Clarence House @ R526 seems overdone: cluttered, and quite vulgar in its busy overstatement. Pale blue walls convey chilliness. Regrettable, given the infinite possibilities.

R528 - Actually, it's typical of wealthy English aristocratic tastes. It is also redolent of the Edwardian Era that the Queen Mother, whose London home it was, grew up in and that Charles is really most comfortable in.

It's only vulgar and overstated if you're judging it by sleek 21st century standars. In those circles, it fulfills the demand for luxury combined with English views of "comfort".

By the way, the sistahs on Lipstick Alley (who have 2,000+ comments up on their "Unpopular Opinions on Meghan Markle" thread, early on noticed the photo of Harry had been removed, wondering whether it had joined the photo of Meghan and Harry that disappeared from the Queen's public reception room after the Woe is Me documentary aired.

You could as well say that pale blue walls convey serenity. And chilly I would say doesn't stand a chance in a room so stuffed with things. Given that today's most popular design colour is a very dark charcoal grey, I much prefer pale blue. A friend bought a Victorian home and did the small dining room in that ghastly dark gray and now it looks like a vampire's lair.

Is it the angle of the photo or is the lampshade on the lamp on the far right crooked? I keep wanting to reach in and right it.

The Crown Jewels - Part One.

They have many souvenirs and gifts from personal friends so I'm sure they want to keep as much as possible on display.

R531 - No wonder HM refuses to abdicate.

[quote]I’m no fan of Meghan Markle, but the problem is Harry, not her. It was his responsibility to choose well and then to help his wife transition into her role. Meghan is just being who she is. A lightweight self promoter transparently masquerading as a do-gooder. She’s no genius, but probably has at least 20 IQ points on every other member of the royal family. Possible exceptions being Kate and Ann. If the Andrew interview is an example of palace PR, I can see why Meghan doesn’t always toe the line.

^^This. ITA. It's always been Harry, his problems and issues. Meghan is simply the ramrod he is using to batter his family.

R529. Are you serious the LSA sistahs as you so quaintly call them are in private threads. Who wants to be with aging pasty frauen.

Harry has had an emotionally very fucked up life from when he was a young boy all played out on the international stage. It would have been a miracle if he were any more than he is. And miracles rarely happen.

I do fully agree that Harry has been, to a certain extent, hiding behind his wife's (and come to it, his later mother's) skirts. The idea that he chose a wife he could weaponise against the BRF has been floated and I think it has, as they say, "legs".

That doesn't get either of them off them off the hook for biting the hand that fed them. And as far as IQ goes, I think Kate much tyhe shrewder of the two women. She understood the landscape better, played to her strengths, and took the longer view. Meghan landed only tactical blows periodically, which often rebounded upon her. In terms of the long game, if Meghan had even a marginal desire to stay in, Meghan couldn't have exhibited less savvy.

^*late mother's

R529. Thanks, I found that thread, and it's just as bitchy and argumentative as any thread over here. And someone over there has been checking in with us.

[quote]PAGES! Not 2000 comments... 2000 PAGES of comments!

[quote]Just for fun: with 30 comments per page, we are nearing 61.650 comments in this thread alone! Not even counting part 1!

The Fraus on Lipstick Alley are a hoot. And they are hardly pasty. They see Meghan for who she is and relish going after her. And they're pretty witty, to boot. They're a good visit for a laugh from time to time. I'm here for Anne today. Her shrug, regardless of the context, was a gesture for the ages. I can only imagine her at 24 telling someone at gun point - after he'd already shot several people - "not bloody likely" and somersaulting backwards out of a car. The Windsor women are made of sterner stuff than the men,.

Has Prince Charles taken care of his diseased feet since his return from New Zealand?

Re Charles' feet, as an elder myself it does seem clear he has a circulation issue. It could be anything, from late onset Type II diabetes which is common amongst men over 70, to the neuropathy that plagues so many of us in the seventies.

His rosy cheeks were evident when he was a young man, because I remember him then, as were his sausage shaped fingers. The cheeks may simply have coarsened with age. But the red nose and the red hands and feet suggest more.

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Meghan's earring collection - Part One.

Camilla Speaks!

Christ, those Middleton women hold up fantastically!

Camilla looks quite nice in that ensemble - that's the material and lines that suit her - never mind that amazing diamond necklace. She wears that frequently. It has a seductive quality the way it dips into cleavage.

R545 - Meghan's earrings are even more boring than Kate's.

Lord her skin looks awful in some of those photos without piles of makeup and touchups by the media, and so does her hair.

The Crown Jewels - Part Two.

MeMe can't help herself. The spotlight MUST be on HER.

Beatrice speaks!

R550 - Can you imagine what she's like to live with as she obsesses over not getting attention and spending her time scheming about how to get her face in front of the media from whom she has begged for a six-week vacation?!

One can only feel for Harry and Doria and Archie.

I don't believe for a moment this is Latham's or Sachs' doing. This has Meghan's pawprints all over it.

I'll say something nice: I like the small, more delicate earrings the DoS wears, seen in r545. Larger earrings would overwhelm her face and features.

When she wears formal gowns, with her hair up, is when to bring on the larger jewels. Colored stones such as rubies and emeralds would stand out on her.

I would give her more credit if she could ever highlight a cause without making herself the centerpiece.

R554-That's what someone on her team really instructs her to do. It would benefit her to give over the IG to her PR team and just not touch it. I doubt she could, though. And it's absurd to bring up the Hubb Kitchen project a yer later. Literally the only purpose was to remind people that the Amazing Ms. Markle was involved.

R554,That would require a brain transplant (we're not that advanced) or a lobotomy (we're not that cruel, anymore). It's in her nature.

She has too much hair all over most of the time to show off the smaller earrings, and she isn't going to get any significant rubies or emeralds as Kate has gotten because at this point, the Queen is unlikely to give her so much as the time of day. So Meghan's jewellery is all bought by herself (which is to say, her husband's money from his father) and that means they aren't going to have the size and carat weights that Kate has.

The small earrings are cute but they're also a bit "teen-age". She has worn very large sparklers on some occasions with some gowns (unknown whether they were costume or real diamond loans) and I thought they looked great on her, I don't think they overwhelmed her face at all.

I think Meghan is poor at gauging proportions when it comes to dressing and accessories. Too much hair, or too much cloth, with too small earrings, or stuff that is either too short or too long, and frequent mistakes with colour - like the autumn rust/red combo she wore just before her six-week hiatus. The sweater was nice and the skirt was nice, but the two colours were so "off" together that I wondered if she has a colour-blind problem. It's rare in women but it does happen. The same thing happened with a green outfit during her first year of marriage - the green blouse and the green leather skirt didn't remotely tone.

So I think she should wear less cloth, slightly larger earrings, shorter and better-kept and trimmed hair, so that the emphasis shifts from the hair to the face, and from the less than ideal proportions of her figure to pleasing proportions of what she wears in more pleasing colours.

And she should never, ever wear navy blue again.

I disagree on the navy blue, R557, but everything else is on point. Her jewelry selections are very twee .They remind me of what you see college freshmen wearing-the ones who think they're ultra hip. I don't know if she thinks she's being trendy or acting younger than her years, but she definitely needs more "grown up" jewelry.

I can't believe we've made it to 600!

As the popularity of the Gowns of the BRF thread has gotten it paywalled, I wasn't able to post my previous comment there, but if you go to it, you will see that photos of Meghan with large earrings show she looks wonderful in them.

You can also see how much better she looked whilst she was in her early "Suits" phase from one photo up.

Emphaising slenderness is a dodgy thing these days, but the brutal fact is, with her barrel-shaped middle, Meghan really needs to keep the weight off to wear the kind of clothes that flatter her most. She's small to start with, and wearing lots of cloth with big belts is the worst possible look for her, and the baby weight forces that on her to some extent.

She needs expert tailoring, and less hair, more powder blue, rose, coral, and cream in her wardrobe, and less olive, navy, black, tan, rust, and green.

R558 - Well, we will have to agree to disagree on the navy; I think it completely washes her out.

But re the grown-up jewellery, the odd thing is, with her colouring, pearls would look magnificent on her, especially as she seems so enamoured of black. I think a pair of quality mabe pearl earrings or some size would look fanstastic against her skin with her hair up.

Regrettable that neither Kate nor Meghan seem to share the older generation's appreciation of how the sheen of pearls compliments any complexion of any colour.

I don't know why pearls are thought old-fashioned; I think they're subtley quite sexy.

Meghan would look amazing with hair just at shoulder length. Even more so if she stopped straightening. The long hair has a Morticia Addams look to it that just does nothing for her. It accentuates, rather than softens, her strong jawline.. Kate, too, would benefit from a good chop of about 6 inches, but I suspect she sees her long wavy hair as a trademark, so she'll probably wear it like that far longer than she should. The one benefit is that she does do amazing updos for tiaras.

When they were dating Harry supposedly gave Meghan a couple of prices of jewelry and they were surprisingly juvenile. I think one was a gimmicky Cartier bracelet with a screw. Like a fancy sweet sixteen present. She has very immature taste in jewelry, but I think that is very understandable. Very, very few women have access to substantial jewelry.

Well, Harry radiates immaturity, so that's understandable.

Kate did cut the hair up recently and at last seems to have abandoned the sausage curls for softer waves, but yes, it is her trademark, that and her slender athletic body. She's also lightened it a bit with highlights which is softer.

Meghan's hair is totally out of control except when it is up or is fresh from the relaxer treatment. The rest of the time it looks coarse and uneven, and sorry, it seems to have some emotional significance to her that is way out of proportion. I completely agree that a shoulder length look that allows some of its natural curl to breathe would soften her jawline and make her look more youthful.

It is very hard for women passing into their forties to get away with long, long hair. I think Kate as well as Meghan need to figure that out and readjust their thinking on all that hair.

In fairness, they are probably both up against husbandly objections to cutting. Hetero man can hold absolutely bizarre feelings about long hair on women.

Agree, R564. PH.D. theses have been written and defended regarding the length of women's hair and its signifier as a hallmark of youth. Ironically, Meghan is said to want to break the internet. A shoulder chop and allowing her hair to go natural - or even to go with braids like her mother - would accomplish exactly that. And I think she'd look stunning. It would also put to bed at least some of the Kate comparisons. What a lovely surprise that would be following the 6-week break.

It's good Kate ditched the sausage rolls. It's said she did that to keep the ends looking today and decreasing the likelihood of flyaways and frizziness, but toward the end, she just looked absurd. Her crimped hair at the family/Christmas tree event was a bit much, but not intolerable. She'd look fantastic with her hair shorter, maybe about Sophie's length.

In the US, northern European looks are favored, especially in Hollywood. That’s changing slowly but, especially considering her chosen career, I can understand why Meghan is reluctant to part with her long, wavy extensions. A shorter cut that highlights her natural hair texture will not read as pretty, hot, sexy, whatever as the desperate housewives hair she has now, no matter how much more flattering and stylish. It would reduce her sex appeal. Also, once she adopted a more natural hairstyle it would be iffy PR-wise to go back to the more Caucasian hairstyle. I feel for her on this.

I do like the very dark color she has, Her natural color is lighter, but the black/very dark brown is good on her. I think maybe she should go even straighter, but cut the length to a long bob and keep the color very dark. Line Cindy Crawford’s daughter, but darker and maybe slightly longer.

Tailoring would do wonders for the DoS. It would improve even the occasionally bad outfits 100%. It's the primary difference between her and Kate: Kate has every outfit perfectly fitted and tailored to a tee, and it elevates even her dicier choices.

Good tailoring will hide and improve many figure flaws. Kate is notoriously long-torsoed with not much of a waist; she wears gowns and dresses however that create the illusion that she has one, and that her legs are much longer than they actually are.

I agree 99%, but I think some of Kate’s tailoring goes a little too far. Her formalwear looks good, but many of her day dresses seem to have the waist placed just slightly too high and the length is just a little too short. The tailoring is good, but I always get the impression she is obsessed with making sure her slimness is highlighted to the maximum.

Her legs are short relative to her body, but they are fantastic legs.

Agree, R569-the waists on Kate's dresses often do sit too high. I think that's why sometimes her dresses look dated. She does seem to love flaunting her slimness. Her skinny jeans were shockingly tight for the children's Christmas event. None of us needed to see each ass cheek perfectly outlined - magnificent as those cheeks may have been. Even half a size up would have looked so much better.

Swipe for the life of Queen's Victoria's son, Prince Alfred.

Sophie Wessex carries out her public duties with a sense of fun.

MeMe thinks she a model on the runway with that sashay up the Palace stairs. Hilarious!

Anne signs the condolence book for victims of the London Bridge attack.

The Queen strikes me as a lonely figure at times.

I adore Anne, but she really does need to do something about that bird's nest atop her head. I get that she doesn't give two fucks, but she could so much better.

Tailoring would help The Duchess of Cornwall too, or at least maybe pick better foundation garments. Her huge tits are always sagging down, it’s a terrible look for her. HM also has bad tits, although now she’s older so who cares.

The Duchess of Cornwall could probably benefit from a sports bra type of undergarment. Something that would pin in and contain her assets. In general, I like her style, but the lack of a proper foundation, so to speak, makes her look borderline slovenly. And I love we are going after all the women today with constructive critiques. Nothing malicious, nothing mean, just genuine observations how they could all improve. We have great taste, and I find most of today's posters are spot on.

r578 I've always wondered why Kate, Sophie and now Meghan don't organize a bra fitting trip to Victoria's Secret for Camilla. She needs something to hoist those jugs up away from her waistband. They're just swinging around out there and are starting to clang and clank when they bang together.

Did I pop into the royal fashion channel here by mistake?

DL is where I come when I want to get updates on old women's low hanging pendulous breasts and how they should be dealt with.

Isn't that all why we're here, R581?

R581, So why do you open these theads?

[quote]She needs something to hoist those jugs up away from her waistband. They're just swinging around out there and are starting to clang and clank when they bang together.

What I like about Camilla is that she comes across as the type of upper-class English countrywoman who beyond a certain point DGAF. I can imagine her making good jokes about her south-facing mammaries to amuse Charles, who still wants to fuck her anyway.

Fond of a drink and a smoke as she is, I also imagine among real friends she's great company. Around the block she's certainly been, with all the seasoned charm that can bring.

Crown Jewels - Part Three.

Queen Alexandra’s Kokoshnik Tiara. I like it.

I kind of like Camilla’s low-hanging boobs.

I view it as a dominance gesture on her part: “I’m going to be Queen, these are my tits, I’m more comfortable this way, get used to it.”

A summary video of Will's tour of Kuwait and Oman.

I agree about Camilla - she looks like the kind of woman who used to be called "a good sort" by a certain kind of man. Earthy, doesn't take herself too seriously, takes good care of her man in the bedroom, and doesn't suffer fools gladly, but perfectly able to function in high society.

She would have made Charles a far better mate in his thirties than Diana. No stage-stealing, no hysterics, no shrieking at him as he went off to hunt, no press wars . . .

What a terrible mistake Charles made.

Marrying a divorced mother would never have been allowed as the mother of the future king, R589. At least not at that time.

R583 Read the title of the thread you dumb blind cluck.

OT - DM Headline: [bold]Princess Beatrice cancels her engagement party at Chiltern Firehouse

Who else is thinking Chiltern Firehouse cancelled Pedrew York's reservations due to "public pressure"?

Uh oh. Edo can't be happy about this. What will his business associates think?

Swipe for the Royal ladies at Christmas - Part One.

The heights of various royals - Part One.

The heights of various royals - Part Two. If you want to see older royals through history, click and scroll down the British Monarchy site for more.

The venue in question normally loves paparazzi exposure, a cynic might suggest that they will cancel bookings that might attract bad publicity.

- DM comment (r592)

Part 2 link.

The hair is a mess but that' s only a part of it, r576. She needs a good moisturizer and some botox. She's only 69 but looks 79.

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