Ben Affleck will die of alcohol addiction

I'm convinced Frau Garner is making his recovery impossible. She is forcing him to attend church, and who knows what other quackery she subjects him to.

There is something that turns me on about a sad, broken, attractive man

He’s too old for this bullshit. His kids are old enough to know what’s going on and it’s probably very embarrassing for them. He needs to start taking recovery more seriously. Every time he goes to rehab it’s always those luxury places where he can come and go as he pleases, which obviously isn’t helping him.

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Looking good:

We had a thread about this already OP.

Looking better:

Yeah AA and religion are so damaging to addicts. All this bullshit about defects of character. Like addicts don't loathe themselves already. It is the last thing we need. He seems really depressed and unhappy with himself. He needs to get honest, get therapy and start to heal. AA does not do this.

Agree, OP. Slow suicide, by bottle.

People who drink to excess are miserable. I had thought his misery was because he was forced to be a father and had Garner stuck to him like a barnacle, when he did everything he could to rid himself of them all, but become a family annihilator. I was wrong. The misery he's trying to drink away lies inside him, no matter which new puss he's buried in or role he's taken.

Not sure which will give out first, his heart or liver but neither will last too terribly long.

[quote] We had a thread about this already OP.

True, but the OP in the other thread didn't successfully post the TMZ story in the OP. It took that OP multiple tries and s/he still couldn't quite get it.

He's not the only drunk in Hollywood.

Wish I could stumble around drunk and still get all those opportunities. Geez.

R12 Hes a white man, they get all the breaks.

R13, he’s white?

It is not his ex-wife's responsibility to "get him sober".

She has no actual responsibility for him at all, and he's lucky she's even involved to the extent she is.

So all of you need to stop making this out like it is somehow Jennifer Garner's fault that he keeps relapsing. He needs to take responsibility for his own problems, get appropriate treatment, and work harder at it than he has in the past.

Not for long. His heart and liver is going to have the last word.

I can see him actually committing suicide. He seems to really struggle with himself. It is patently obvious and terribly sad.

R10 I think the other OP was really drunk.

Is this just another stealth "AA is evil" thread?

What will Matt Damon do?

I dont understand why hes so unhappy. Hes famous, wealthy, successful, and hes white. He has healthy seemingly happy children. What else is he lacking?

And the movie industry keep handing him huge movies with large salaries attached to them.

What's his problem?

When I was drinking R21 I was young, great job, attractive. Yet I had intense self-loathing due to unresolved childhood trauma. Just because it looks like you have everything...it does not mean you do.

It was Charlie Sheen who convinced him to seek treatment earlier in his career when he had problems. When Charlie Sheen is the one giving you advice, you know you have a big problem. Not surprising he would still have an issue today.

[quote] Hes famous, wealthy, successful, and hes white.

He’s quite?

[quote] Hes famous, wealthy, successful, and hes white.

He’s white?

Jennifer Garner is probably the best thing that ever happened to him. He'd have been dead years ago if she wasn't a big part of his life.

What's wrong with being handsome, rich and a alcoholic?

R17 - I agree that he will commit suicide soon. He has all the resources in the world. He doesn’t want to be sober. He is miserable. He wants to be dead. I would bet everything I have he’s already had his pistol in his mouth. He just needs the courage to pull that trigger. For the sake of his children. They will be so damaged and embarrassed if he continues to live.

R26 Jen Garner

The DC haters and Marvel fanboys who promoted a wave of hatred for their Batman and ended their dream.

That video was kind of sad; it just go to show how far he's fallen in that he's stumbling drunk and there's no assistant or handler for him to lean on or corral him in. He's just left on his own to fall on his ass on the pavement. Whoever said it won't be long until he's dead (or has a stroke and ends up drooling on his shirt in a wheelchair) probably isn't far off...

Are they back together?

Can I have his rug?

Damnit. This makes me like Garner.

Loved him so much back then ❤️

I know he's an asshole, but as an addict I do feel sorry for him. Of course, he's also got access to rehab and treatments most of us don't, but like a lot of addicts I suspect there's a lot of psychological baggage he needs to deal with before he can really get sober.

Encouraging suicide is disturbing and disgusting. The people who post on this site, are really sick.

R31 what video? Of him falling down drunk? The ops clip is of the paps following him and Garner.

It's pretty comical that there is not a single fucked up thing a man can do without some men blaming it on whatever women is at the margins of their life. I bet it's the type of man who shrieked BURN THE WITCH when his milk turned sour in hot weather.

It's pretty comical that there is not a single fucked up thing a man can do without some men blaming it on whatever women is at the margins of their life. I bet it's the type of man who shrieked BURN THE WITCH when his milk turned sour in hot weather.

I posted about suicide and I certainly do not encourage it. I hope Affleck gets well. It seems like he is really lost and clinically depressed. This is not a man whole values his life at this point in time. Stating that is in no way promoting suicide. He's a brilliant guy but he obviously doesn't see that.

he can do no wrong in my eyes

He's the kind of alcoholic who will never get sober and either die from heart issues or liver disease.

[quote]He’s white?

Why would you think he's not white?

R43 or will live longer than your shitty ass

r45 I've known a number of alcoholics in my life who were just like Affleck. The booze always caught up to them. He's a dead man walking if he doesn't quit. At his age, though, the damage to his heart may already be done.

[quote] Why would you think he's not white?

His skin is quite dark and his facial features look Arabic or similar to me especially when he has a beard.

Don't get behind the wheel, Ben.

It’s impossible to predict who will or won’t recover from active alcoholism. The ones who can’t stay sober suddenly get it and live a ling time. The ones who seemingly have it all together suddenly go out and die.

It’s cunning, baffling, and powerful.

You never can tell.

This has nothing to do with his ex-wife—it’s genetics. His father was a serious alcoholic who was homeless at one time.

[quote]His skin is quite dark and his facial features look Arabic or similar to me especially when he has a beard.

His ancestry is English, Irish, German, and Scottish.

He's white.

Geza

Boldt

Maybe RDJ can help him. He's done it all these years. And I don't it's just booze.

On Datalounge white people who have brown hair and brown eyes aren't really "white." Hell, Italians are almost black according to DL.

RDJ has a more powerful, smarter woman than Jen (who is a sweetie). She won't roll over and let him do whatever he wants.

All the money in the world and still can't get a good therapist who would cut to the heart of the problem that's causing him to drink. Same with Metz and nutritionists. Hollywood is such a strange place.

Trust me, if you were married to a frau like Jen Garner, you’d want to be dead too. Talk about a “helicopter parent.” 🙄

Well he could have married Jennifer Lopez... she's hardly a Frau.

[quote] His ancestry is English, Irish, German, and Scottish.

I read he has either Turkish, Persian or Arabic ancestry. I wish I remembered which.

Ben is very waspy.

Ben doesn't look WASPy in the least.

His background is WASP.

Did his alchy Daddy molest him? Is he trying to drink those memories away?

r63 that was always my theory. That or by a catholic priest. I feel like everyone in new england is molested at some point

He's fine. You gays are so dramatic.

Affleck isn't Catholic.

$15 million dollars per picture and still drink like a damn fish, what the fuck.

Maybe he needs to spend sometime in the real world without his lifestyle available to him.

I want to hear more about his history of being molested as a child. Was it in fact the church? Or a family “friend” perhaps? This is all making sense now. He’s got to face it, plus it would be great publicity for a comeback. Front page of People Magazine: I was sexually abused as a child - Ben Affleck.

Maybe he could site down with Oprah Winfrey. She's really good at those kinds of interviews. She been doing them for decades.

So, maybe the elder Affkeck drank himself to death because he diddled little Ben, and Big Ben drinks to try and forget the diddling? That...would make sense, R64.

Do none of his posh rehabs have therapists? Or, just yoga classes and tanning beds?

R69 - great idea. She’s good at having people admit their issues.

Update:

Ben is seen outside of Garner's home with a coffee in hand and calls it "a slip", says he won't let it derail him

He likely wasn't molested. He's miserable because he drinks not the other way around. He drinks to excess because it's in his DNA.

[quote]This has nothing to do with his ex-wife—it’s genetics. His father was a serious alcoholic who was homeless at one time.

There is NO "genetic factor" in addiction. NO medical professional teaches that anymore.

Are you posting from 1987 with your outdated "ALCOHOLISM GENE!" hysteria?

I was molested.

UH OH OP at R73, "alcoholism" is not genetic. You're regurgitating babble from the Eighties.

There is no "addiction gene."

Yeah. It's just a wild coincidence that [bold]tons[/bold] of alcoholics have alcoholic family members (parents, grandparents).

I'm 31 and have never in my life ever had a drink. Not even once. No drugs, I dont even smoke cigarettes.

A lot of that has to do with my dad. When you see how alcohol makes people act, especially at a young age. You say fuck no to any type of alcohol or drugs.

Think god I never got into any of that stuff. I live a very clean life and I'm better off because of it.

This man desperately needs structure and it appears only Jennifer Garner has ever provided that. She managed to contain the worst of this for quite a few years which is impressive now that we know how self destructive he is

R77, I didn't say the way someone was raised wasn't a factor. I said that today all medical professionals and geneticists refute the hoary old "ALCOHOLISM GENE" myth of the Eighties.

There's no such thing. DNA is DNA, not life circumstances. Two different things.

He was a child star. Granted it was a PBS show, but the trajectory seems the same.

People are pre-disposed to be alcoholics. Then they can choose.

There is no predisposition genetically.

Enough about Jennifer Garner already. Must be a bunch of Lifetime Movie watchers on this thread.

Interesting how Damon washed his hands and moved on to a series of new BFFs. First it was Krasinski and now it's Hemsworth. Maybe he should try to include his old friend more.

There is absolutely a genetic link with addiction; it's well-established. The AMA asserts that addiction is a disease and genetics are one component that predisposes people to become addicted, though not the only component.

Something tells me there's at least one clam on this thread. They love to spout nonsense about addiction being about will power and discredit 12 step programs so they can get people into their Narcanon cult. Get lost, clams.

Jennifer garner is not a lifetime tv movie star. She's major motion picture star.

Get it right.

Ben needs real therapy, not AA bullshit!! It obviously only works for the tiny minority .

Where is the AMA assertion that addiction is genetic? Link? Quote from 2019?

[quote] Jennifer garner is not a lifetime tv movie star. She's major motion picture star. Get it right.

But her fans enjoy Lifetime movies.

The Cult of AA seems to have a dog in this race as an "alcoholism gene" supports their false claim that the drinker is helpless and needs JESUS to free him.

What are you girls even quarrelling about? Like most things in life, addiction falls under the biopsychosocio model. Our biology makes us predisposed. Then our psychological traumas start to press those biological buttons. And finally our social environment pulls the lever. That's why if you can intervene in just one of the three categories, you have a really good shot.

There is no biological predisposition for addiction.

And like the typical alcoholic in denial, Ben told TMZ in a video posted a few hours ago that everything is just fine and there's nothing to worry about.

Same old story from anyone who has ever dealt with an drunk.

How do YOU know it's something for Ben to be worried about? Or for TMZ to be worried about?

It's his life.

He was really stumbling and struggling in that TMZ video. Makes you admire functioning alcoholics, almost.

I agree with R77 I’ve known several families that are mostly alcoholics.

Every alcoholic is not escaping trauma. Some people love the taste of alcohol.

Alcohol doesn’t taste good. They love the feeling they get from it.

Maybe it's a movie star thing. Wasn't Joan Crawford a hard core alcoholic too?

I happen to enjoy Lifetime Movies. That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with me.

Maybe it is a movie star thing. There probably worried about losing there careers. That can drive to drinking.

He's totally okay, guys.

Must I do all the work?

R103 LOL! Well, according to R95 Ben is just fine and has nothing to worry about!

I bet he had the shits something awful this morning after being that plastered!

"Whether or not substance use progresses to dependence will be influenced by factors including: genetic and biological factors [...]."

- The AMA position statement on harmful substance use, dependence, and behavioral addiction in 2017.

At some point you have to stop blaming Daddy for bad genes and hold yourself accountable for your own actions.

Yes one never finds alcoholics outside of the entertainment industry r100!

Addicts are everywhere. Addiction happens, and it is a bitch to fight.

[quote]Alcohol doesn’t taste good. They love the feeling they get from it.

Uh...

[quote]He was really stumbling and struggling in that TMZ video. Makes you admire functioning alcoholics, almost.

Seriously, you'd think an experienced drinker that Affleck would have a high tolerance. How much must he have drunk to be falling down like that.

It was probably pills + booze.

[quote]I happen to enjoy Lifetime Movies. That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with me.

It just means there's nothing right with you. Whore!

Yeah I was thinking the same thing too. You would think he'd have a high tolerance by now. Thinking his booze has a buddy. And he's going to a Hollywood Halloween party. And that's all he can wear is a 1.99 Walgreens skull mask.

Yeah that's some benzos and opiates in the mix.

Well if “daddy” was the one who molested him, then he certainly can blame his father.

omg his dad did not molest him. Fatfleck is a Leo and a narcissistic and a drunk. I bet he doesn't really believe that he has a problem with drugs or alcohol, that he can handle a drink or two. He is arrogant and entitled and coddled by everyone around him, including Garner. He's faced no real consequences for his actions. He fucked the nanny and half of Hollywood and Garner took him back. He's been told for the last 25 years that he's a god and will get chance after chance.

Look at his reaction today. He was taped being fall-down drunk with some little girl who had to be half his age, but is he ashamed? No, he's brushing it off as a slip and holding court with the paps. More arrogance. There isn't always a "reason" someone drinks to excess, they just dont' think the rules apply to them.

It’s hard to beat alcohol addiction. I’ve had long periods of sobriety over 35 years and I’m struggling now again in my mid fifties. I probably will hang myself soon. The amount of trauma I’ve endured as a child then again in adulthood has just gotten wore as I’ve gotten older. I really don’t see any way out.

There's a definite genetic factor in addiction.

R118. Please don't

[quote]Seriously, you'd think an experienced drinker that Affleck would have a high tolerance. How much must he have drunk to be falling down like that.

Maybe he really has been sober for a while now, and his tolerance is lower like a normal person's now?

R118, please get some help. We DLers need to stick together.

R122 - that’s one of the rare sweet sentiments here on DL

Fuck her for giving her kids those genes.

Jesus Christ. At least one of their children is going to do the same, someday.

R118, keep passing the open windows.

R122 & R123 I am seriously moved by the emotion your posts evoke.

tenpo kama lili la, jan Pen li moli tan ni: ona li moku mute mute e telo nasa. ona li jan pi telo nasa.

I'm with you R118, only ten years older. Having to fight "the dragon" again after all this time is painful. But I still believe there are rewards, or a least a comfortable life for me if I can beat the addictions again. There are a number of new options to help with recovery.

Please allow yourself these options.

I agree, he is a train wreck that isnt ging to be around much longer. Terribly sad.

Think of his three cute little children. They are probably sad and embarrassed and wish they had a "good" dad. I had an alcoholic dad and a son prone to drug addiction with a darling grandson who starts high school soon. I had a monstrous childhood and am 57. My heart breaks for the children of alcoholic or drug-addicted parents who all seem narcissistic and selfish. I never really drank, no drugs, no cigs and somehow got to 57. I see my son in Affleck. It is sad and discouraging. I applaud you people who found a way to beat your addictions, even if for only twenty years.

Jen buries her head in the sand and pretends all is well, so who even knows how much they are truly aware of?

[quote]At some point you have to stop blaming Daddy for bad genes and hold yourself accountable for your own actions.

Exactly. I don't feel sorry for him. He is privileged beyond belief - more than most of us will ever be. He's almost 50 years old and needs to man the fuck up and take responsibility.

I LOVE the fact that a handsome, famous, multimillionaire is this miserable. Makes me feel good about my modest bank account, average looks, and mundane life.

[quote]I'm convinced Frau Garner is making his recovery impossible

The Datalounger habit of blaming everything on women as though men have no free will is so tiresome! Affleck is rich and privileged and has access to all kinds of help and no one is stopping him from using his resources to get help. Why do you think he's a big baby who can't be responsible for himself? That's stupid.

[quote]"alcoholism" is not genetic. You're regurgitating babble from the Eighties. There is no "addiction gene."

You're absolutely wrong and probably one of those people who pollute the internet with your fake made-up "facts" that are really just uninformed opinions. I hope people eventually learn to look stuff up instead of just believing hysterics like you.

Does he use drugs too? Or just a boozebag?

Maybe he was sober for a little while and has lost his tolerance for it.

He’s never been into drugs....just loves the booze. He used to smoke a little weed, but I think now he’s just a hardcore alcoholic.

If you think Affleck doesn't enjoy his coke I have a bridge to sell you r138.

I'd let him do bumps out of my hole

Alcoholism absolutely does run in families. I don’t care if it’s been “debunked” 30 years ago or not. Also, cancer and diabetes and all kinds of other health problems are passed down.

I thought it was pills (as well?), after he "injured his back" during a workout?

He got addicted to painkillers in 2014 after he hurt himself skiing. Batman v Superman was pushed back so that he could secretly go to rehab.

Good god.....pulls, booze, coke, cigarettes.....this dude is a waste of space. He should end it now, before his kids get old entries be embarrassed.

I am sure Benna Fleck could care less what you think and certainly doesn't want your sympay.

R145 wins this post.

Warner Bros floated injury rumors around at the time, but he was just addicted to something. Per usual, he took the fam pap strolling then, too. That's his/their M.O. Blow something up, get photographed with the kids. It's disgusting, actually.

His titties were so flat in R147's pic! He's fully developed now.

I would love to suck his titties.

He developed 'roid tits when he bulked up for Batman.

[quote]He just needs the courage to pull that trigger. For the sake of his children. They will be so damaged and embarrassed if he continues to live.

[quote]He should end it now, before his kids get old entries be embarrassed.

Stop acting like his kids won't be permanently damaged by their father's suicide. They'll probably wonder why he didn't love them enough to stay alive for them.

Yeah, I dont think Garner is a doormat Even this morning, you can bet Garner summoned and he mainlined that coffee and came running. Or like the time he got his ass into her back seat and headed to rehab in the most humiliating circumstances. I guarantee hes been nursing hangovers at some of those farmers market and church outings, but had to suck it up. Shes clearly the most powerful person on his life. She may be the only person with any power whatsoever in his life.

For all her "help" he hasn't improved one iota. He's right back to where he started. Nothing she's done has helped him whatsoever and last night was proof of it. She's his second mother and at 47 years old, that's pathetic.

The paps were laughing at him in that TMZ video. That's how far he's fallen.

Doing a photo op with the kids the morning after he falls off the wagon is not savvy, it's pathetic. Everyone knows exactly what's going on, and they're fooling only themselves by thinking that it's working. They've done it too many times.

He's supposed to be filming his new movie in Louisiana in November. I am willing to bet it will either be pushed back or he'll be fired (but be allowed to say that he dropped out). He's a total joke. Jen Garner pretending that everything is great while carving pumpkins for the photographers she called is the reason the situation repeats itself and never changes.

[quote] Jen Garner pretending that everything is great while carving pumpkins for the photographers she called is the reason the situation repeats itself and never changes.

No. His continuing to drink is the reason the situation repeats itself and never changes.

He alone is responsible for his own alcoholism. Not her, not the kids, not his parents, not Jennifer Lopez. He alone.

Shes right to try and limit the public fall out. A press hate frenzy harms her kids. Even if this is a full on spiral, her kids don't need to see that shit play out in the full public glare. It's bad enough that they're living it behind closed doors.

She’s an enabler! She would have every right to get primary physical custody & child support, plus supervised visits for Ben Affleck. All this St. Jennifer stuff is baffling. What was the sense of getting a divorce if she’s still embroiled in his drama. She’s a doormat, setting a bad example for the kids. Should have had one child with him, maximum.

He's a wealthy powerful man in an industry that doesn't care so long as you make money. There's no "rock bottom" for that guy. Cutting him off is bullshit unless she wants Charlie Sheen 2.0. Charlie is still searching for his rock bottom FYI. Garners influence is the only reason he's been to rehab in the first place..

He's going to be the new John Casavetes

I really need to go and see this TMZ video of him falling out drunk. I've been hearing about it all day and have seen photos, but not the actual video.

I'm about to go check it out right now. Damn sounds like he was really truly a disastrous drunken mess.

I'm going to have to go and see this damn video.

He was tipsey and lost his balance!

He went through the motions of rehab. Spent most of his time working out and eating at home. Clearly didn't take it seriously.

Now he's out celebrating a year of sobriety with a half dozen drinks, a few lines of blow and a hot babe young half his age. Yes, Garner has really and truly saved him.

I checked out the video. All I have to say is that the queens on DL are so fucking hysterical and beyond dramatic.

Good God. I thought I was really about to see something horrifyingly batshit crazy from him. I'm thinking he had completely lost his damn balance and that he was going to be crawling around on the ground in the damn streets drunk.

The man just barely lost his balance and fell back a little and had to hold on to the SUV so he didn't completely fall to the ground.

You bitches are worse than the damn media. You overblow everything. There was only 94k views of the video when I looked. I was expecting at least 4 million views or more. Everyone in the comment section dont even think it's much of a big deal. Except here on DL.

You queens are so fucking dramatic.

Damn.

I viewed the video on YouTube by the way.

R155 - yes, he alone is responsible for his actions, but her covering up for him is on her. When people divorce it usually means going their separate ways living their lives apart. She's doing more harm to her kids by having a perpetually hungover father around. I don't think she covers for him for her kids, she has other reasons. I don't know why she bothered to divorce him.

[quote]I don't know why she bothered to divorce him.

To save face.

R164 "Covering up for him"?? Was he on trial for something, pray tell?

Repeat after me. "I do not have a RIGHT to a front seat for other people's struggles. Being denied that front row seat is not a cover up!"

Lol. Yes, it's Phillip Seymour Hoffman's wife's fault he died in his drug den apartment after she kicked him out of their home. A large population of DL loves to blame women foreveryfuckingthing. Is homosexuality a form of Incelism? Some of you would be right at home on one of those weird reddit boards.

Any adult who doesn't know that the self loathing that comes with public humiliation is more likely to imprison you than motivate you, lacks sense. It's hard enough coming back from failing sobriety, imagine failing before the entire globe. The less that plays out in public, the easier it will be to prevent a shame based spiral.

Be glad your struggles are not other peoples morning entertainment.

R167 You'd be surprised that a lot of these comments are from women. Straight girls are just as bitter jealous bitches as gay dudes. They just do it with less flare.

Still for R167. But yeah, it's funny how they can't decide what's the "correct conduct" from the wife. Angelina Jolie is a spiteful monster for airing Brad out. PSHs wife is a killer for cutting him out despite the fact that she never aired him out. Jennifer is a doormat for neither airing nor cutting Ben out. And if course RDJs wife should have no credit on his turn around which begs the question why they're so obsessed about the wives in the first place.

that ben affleck got ripped as fuck as like the age of 42 to play batman for like three movies. getting as buff as he was is incredibly hard for anyone, especially a guy like over 35 i feel like.

Yeah, unfortunate that he looked burned out after the BvS reception, on top of the problems in his personal life. He was imo the best part in BvS. Played the role super well.

BvS and dealing with WBDC caused whatever issues he was struggling with to worsen, IMO. How many years had it been, before he got that role, that he was seen to be a mess in public? Then, afterwards, he was rarely not a stained-shirt, sweaty, hungover trainwreck. He was even showing up for premiers coked up, with his fly unzipped and covered in blow (Suicide Squad premier).

He never recovered from being Batman.

The spiral started before Batman, IMO. It was Gone Girl. I remember him and Fincher joking that he went Method for that role, which I interpreted as, he got wasted a lot and fucked Emily Rataj-whatever her name is.

He will NOT die.

No, of course not, R175. He'll live forever, as will we all. 🙄

I have a close friend who relapsed after 12 years in AA and NA and almost died from booze and coke. He went and did that controversial Ibogaine treatment in Northern England about 8 years ago and hasn’t had a craving since. He even had a glass of wine last year with no desire for more. He said that it was so dramatic and purging that he feels that it totally requires his brain chemistry. Wonder if there’s any truth to it.

[quote]It's hard enough coming back from failing sobriety, imagine failing before the entire globe. The less that plays out in public, the easier it will be to prevent a shame based spiral.

Then he probably shouldn’t be getting drunk out in public and stumbling around on the streets. This is public because he chooses to be an alcoholic out in public.

[quote]He went and did that controversial Ibogaine treatment

It's great in the way that you get heart toxicity and die, therefore those nasty addictions aren't an issue any longer

R178 Well firstly nobody is making a privacy claim in a court of law so I don't know what a public street has to do with this. Secondly, those of us with a soul are merely saying it is in order for his family to try limit his public humiliation. This is a hard enough battle without adding LITERALLY millions of ignorant armchair commentators.

I would guess a spiral somewhere around 2013 which is the year he won the Oscar, was announced as Batman and filmed Gone Girl. Same year he kept being spotted at casinos and random States by himself. Affleck is just the worst self sabotager. Give him success and he will try wreck it.

There does seem to have been a clean period end 2014 and early 2015 during the training for and shooting BvS. Of course once it's in the can, Benny boy celebrates by fucking the fame whore nanny. Self sabotage is real.

I had no idea DL was filled with so many ben affleck fans. A lot of you really care about this man life.

Wow

Every actor who played Batman brought a degree of tragedy to the role, but Ben Affleck takes the idea of Bruce Wayne. like a tortured soul to the next level. His Batman is not someone you would like to be friends with; he is angry, paranoid, lies to his lover, and seems to have at least some degree of joy in harming criminals. Although This doesn't exactly describe someone you would invite to dinner, it gets to the heart of what Batman is as a character. More than any other man to assume the role of The Dark Knight, Ben Affleck communicates the sadness, the guilt and pain this character carries with him from the moment his parents died in that alley of Gotham.

R166, pre-arranged photo-ops playing happy family after he gets into some kind of trouble is certainly covering for him. She is no longer married to him. Take the feminist bullshit elsewhere.

[quote] Secondly, those of us with a soul are merely saying it is in order for his family to try limit his public humiliation.

Jennifer Garner is absolutely no longer in his family. That is what "divorce" means: you no longer have responsibility for the person you used to be married to.

R118, give naltrexone a try.

R181, it’s “self saboteur”. As one, I’ve heard it a lot. I like my accusers to add, “and an asshole” by correcting them.

He's been using an app to meet women online. no sure the name of it.

He was seen with a blonde at starbucks before going to the party and falling down drunk.

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Jesus god, sober people are boring. Mind your own damn business and stop projecting.

We can't have a fun thread full of snark about that douche Affleck without the sad, pathetic DL alcoholics chiming in with their own sob stories.

Ben or Henry Cavill should be DL's Man of the Year.

Diane Sawyer asked Paltrow about Affleck in a 2003 interview. “Ben makes life tough for himself. He's got a lot of complication, and you know, he really is a great guy. So I hope he sorts himself out,” she said. Eep.

But wait, there’s more. Per ABC News, during their relationship, Affleck went on Good Morning America and said that Paltrow’s ideal man would be someone like her dad. In response, she said that Affleck’s perfect woman would be “any sort of stripper at Scores. Anyone that serves cold beer in a bikini.”

How does he have any money left with all of his gambling? What is he gambling for? He has money.

What about his kids future? He seems really selfish in that way. Once you have children, it's no longer about you. It's now about your children, until they turn 18/21.

He’s gambling with his kids’ future, that’s for sure!

R188 - it’s called Raya - the celebrity dating app. I want to join Rays now!!!

He met a skank with a bad shoulder tattoo on it R196. I wouldn't be jealous of Raya.

If only he would come stay with me, my magical dick would cure him of all his maladies.

I've used raya r196 and its 1% celebrities and 99% DJs and PR whores

R199 - what are the requirements to join Raya?

I know many guys straight guys like Ben, they let fraus like Jennifer who likens herself to be better than Martha Stewart run their lives. She orders him around, tells him what to do, where to go etc, she's perfect mother/wife material...someone who just wants to stay home, raise kids and cook. He's happy for a while...but he wants his cake and eat it too because he's a fucking star!

He soon gets bored of the goody wife esp after so many kids, her vag is like the grand canyon..how can you expect his normal sized cock to climax in that? I think she would have stayed with him if he was "manageable"...but he gambles too much so she divorced him to get the money in case he gambles/pisses it all away.

Please R201 - he cheated on Paltrow, ate out a stripper's pussy while engaged to Lopez, etc. He's a creep and a drunk.

yes he cheats, but Jennifer didn't mind, if it was done discreetly but he flaunted it in her face.

Nobody in Hollywood is faithful...don't be naive.

I wish I was in his entourage. I’d get him super high and drunk and suck on that meaty white cock.

You have to apply to get on Raya. They have a team that checks out who you are. It's not that strict for girls for same reason some clubs let girls in free. But for the men it's tough. They check how successful you are, how much press you get, how many Raya followers you have and you have to be invited by Raya members. That said, I've heard the Raya administrators sometimes head hunt members newly single celebs and socialites. I bet that's how Ben got it. A cold call from a convincing administrator on a day he was sauced.

ben is good at gambling. he's been kicked out of casinos for winning too much. He knows how to count cards but how he does it when high and drunk is beyond me...so he isn't as dumb as you think he is.

R203 why do you care who gives who a pass? Sounds like you are the prudish fraud here. Men need fucking variety.

If Ben was mine he could fuck anyone he wanted as long as I had him a couple nights a week. I love that furry dad bod. ❤️

if he can win $1500 wasted, let the man gamble!

God, look at the state of him in R209's link

But how much did he lose win that 1500? No smart person gambles in a casino. Smart people know the house is rigged to let you win a little so you can lose a lot. Because casinos are profit making businesses

This whore is really something...why doesn't she tell him he should get some rest, he's wasted etc. Too many yes people in hollywood.

He's not gonna die ffs. unless he mixes pills badly with booze...then all bets are off.

He's fine, he sends his love.

It's not her responsibility. She's not his fucking mother. He's 47 years old, time to grow up.

A list of famous alcoholics; some are surprising:

r214 the only person I have ever been shocked by is kristin davis

Ben's new "girlfriend" Katie Cherry

I'm surprised she's so accomplished, R216. She looks kind of skanky/druggie in the pictures.

She just has horrible style R217

It is hilarious watching the fraus on Daily Fail have meltdowns over this new chick. They will rip anyone not named Frau Garner apart.

Rolls eyes at R1.

IS ANYONE going to go see this sexy manatee thriller?

Her sexuality is fame moments

I loved him in Good Will Hunting. He could have had me back then. He’ll he could have me now.

He was okay-looking in GWH. I think he looks better in Gone Girl.

Years ago, I was flying back to DC from Boston. Got upgraded to first, which for a short flight is /shrug. But it I was in the first row bulkhead, aisle. Good looking guy had the window seat, asked if I wanted to change and I declined. Flight attendants fawned all over him, I had work stuff to do, so ignored him. His suit though? Gorgeous. Easily $5K.

He was a very polite guy. No matter how many times those attendants hovered and offered him something he was well mannered. At the end, he asked if I minded if he get out before me as he was meeting someone at the gate. Of course I said yes.

I waited for my team who were flying in coach. I guess au was the buzz as I was sitting next to Ben Affleck and had no idea. Just that his suit was gorgeous, and he had impeccable manners.

What's he like behind the scenes? Any gossip?

He loves milk shakes.

Perhaps he just got a case of the dizzies

R41, alcoholism hadn’t anything to do with not valuing yourself, your life, or not recognizing your strength.

Everyone drinks for different reasons, however the usual common denominator is a dysfunctional childhood. But I’ve met people who say that they hadn’t been exposed to dysfunction, but nevertheless, developed alcoholism.

Ben strikes me as an intelligent person. Above average in intelligence, as a matter of fact.

Lots of times, highly intelligent people end up facing a sort of existential crisis. The reason that happens is that smart people usually figure shit out, earlier than most. They start looking around, and realize that we live in a truly fucked up world. They recognize that no matter how much farther we move along, there are people who will insist on pulling others down, or backwards. Wars, wars caused by ridiculous religions, racism, poverty, etc.

Once they see that the fix is in, and they are intelligent enough to see all possible outcomes, they begin to ask themselves shit like: what the fuck is all of this for? It doesn’t make much of a difference, and nothing and everything matters, all at once.

Now imagine realizing this sort of thing at 23-25 years of age, and simultaneously coming into mega money, fame, success, in not just any industry, but in the entertainment industry, specifically the film industry, where image is EVERYTHING.

Go a bit further, and imagine all of this taking place, along with what is either the beginning of addiction, or full blown addiction.

The bottom line is that for whatever reasons, combined, or singular, smart people often party hard, and they do it to shut off their thinking. It allows them to let go and have fun. They do it because it works immediately, and they are looking for immediate relief.

[quote]What is he gambling for? He has money.

Gambling isn't about money. It's about risk and thrills.

He reminds me of David Cassidy.

OP nails it, lifers have an unmistakable vibe once you've known enough of them, Affleck is one of that sad brotherhood.

Who cares about what happens to this over privileged asshole? He has had opportunities and a life 99.9% of people will never have and he pisses it away. Cry me a river.

Turns out he's supposed to start filming next week. Hence the quick turn around from the drunk to the sober photos. It's a race to calm down the studio and avoid being fired before shooting begins. Which is fine to me. Doesn't matter why you stop fucking around as long as you stop it

He is a bipolar mess - textbook. He needs a psychiatrist and meds to stop the relapses, gambling, etc.

Odd how he can keep counting cards even when falling off his chair. We all have our skills and priorities, I suppose.

I suspect Ben’s been drinking for a while now. The Saturday night thing with TMZ was just the first time we saw it.

Booze and opiates are the most difficult things to quit. I’ve never touched opiates, other than when I was prescribed Vicodin for post surgery. The doctor prescribed enough pills for a week. I took them for 3 days. They made me very nauseous. Recently, I sustained an injury at work, & got Ultram. They prescribed 5 of those. I found Aleve to work better than the Ultram.

Now, booze? That was a bitch to quit. When I started drinking, I did so after having long term sobriety. I attempted to quit repeatedly, many times. It took going into treatment for me to quit. I would get the tremors, the whole nine yards. The physical addiction was intense. I couldn’t stop, no matter how hard I tried. My AA friends pulled an intervention on me, and drove me straight to rehab the following morning. The rehab had it’s own medical/detox unit, and I was in such bad shape, they basically knocked me out for a week in order to detox me. Then I spent an additional 30 days there. I’d never been to rehab before, but it saved my life.

Some people knock rehabs. They say it’s a crutch, and for many, it is a crutch. It’s also a place where people go in order to make their spouses and kids happy. After I got out, I was the only one that remained sober, and I thank my AA peeps for that, because they stuck by me like white on rice in order to help me get through the first 90 days post rehab.

For hardcore boozers, medical detoxes are oftentimes necessary. I had no idea that you can die if not detoxed under medical supervision. It turns out that you can.

I know that not everyone has access to these places. Rehabs with medical detox units are VERY expensive without insurance. Ben definitely has insurance, and can check in whenever he needs to. But if he gets back to where he was before his last rehab stay, he will most likely need to do that.

Most alcoholics die of organ failure, but plenty of them die from taking nasty falls. One guy I knew died after hitting his head on the edge of a table. He was so drunk, he couldn’t get up, and hadn’t any clue that he was bleeding out. Another girl I knew accidentally overdosed by drinking and taking pills she had forgotten she already took, due to being drunk. She was found with multiple prescriptions all over her house, with her kids running around, screaming.

I’ve known young people who had undiagnosed heart problems, and die from doing blow. And I’ve met or have been close to plenty of people who figured they could tell everyone they were sober, and were found with needles hanging from their arms or hands.

Addiction is a bitch. You really never, ever know if you’ve beat it. I don’t care how you get sober, how long you stay sober, etc. Once you’ve developed alcoholism and/or addiction, there are no guarantees. I’ve known people with decades of sobriety relapse, or blow their heads off. And now, with the opiate crisis, people are dropping like flies.

All you can do is keep on trying. Find something that works for you. Understand that what works for you today, may no longer work for you in 5 years. Become self aware enough to recognize your triggers, so that you can hedge against relapse.

I hope this guy doesn’t drop dead from this. My heart goes out to him, because I get it.

[quote]They prescribed 5 of those. I found Aleve to work better than the Ultram.

That's because the guy at the pharmacy, stole your actual Ultram and gave you probably Tylenol in its place. You got ripped off and he got high

My criticism with Garner is that she parades those kids around.

It feels as though she’s working out her own issues, and I have some sympathy for her. I wonder if she had an alcoholic parent.

I wish I could tell her that she cannot save him. She can’t.

r233 nailed it, people. Thread closed.

R229 is something I agree with. There are people who will become physically addicted - like R236. There are people who feel life is suffering - and why not escape that every once in a while. Not sure which one Ben is. But the occasional binge by itself is overhyped. The issue - is this every day. Plenty of normal Joes do this every weekend. Not good - but the sober or nothing thing may not be his answer. Agree with poster above who mentioned SMART.

fuck that, I'm reopening it. I'm busy enough during the days with my dog and foster kitties etc etc. that it takes awhile reading thru a thread, but there are some misconceptions about alcoholism and sobriety--which i blame no one for, this being a country that relies heavily on people remaining uninformed and ignorant--that need to be cleared up, and i think i can shed some light on the problem, too. I sobered up in AA without benefit of treatment in 1984. The fact that I eventually drifted away in 2010 and have been an off-and-on again drunk since then is not lost on me, since i know what i'm headed for if i keep drinking much longer, and what will happen to anyone if they do likewise. But i sobered thru AA w/o treatment because i'd been thru extensive rigorous treatment at least four times in the preceding 3 years, and it wasnt sobering me up. I got to AA, did a 90/90 (90 meetings in 90 days) and joined the catholic church because of frequent trips to a monastery just north of here, and i stayed as stuck to all that as i could afford to for a long, long time. What killed me eventually was the nature of AA in this college town, the relatively few old-timers, and large numbers of students cycling thru every three or four years, who were always running everything, and taking up most of everybody else's time with their constant, ego-driven horseshit. like any newcomers or youngster. And I got old, and infirm, and didn't particularly care what happened next, what with heart disease and atrial fib a constant reality, and my declining sex drive, and sex appeal. I just lost faith. the catholics also became increasingly repugnant to me with politicking from the pulpit, re abortion rights and a number of really white-people-centered concerns. it is really farm country after all. Also a couple of oldtimers meetings i loved went south because most of the old timers died off. Now, Ben isn't going to sober up, perhaps because he can't. Perhaps he has a screaming harassing voice inside his head haunting him every single day, stealing all his joy and keeping him in pain. Perhaps he feels that he failed himself or someone else important to him. Perhaps in a way he feels so sick he doesn't give a fuck anymore. Now, I have to enter therapy, just to get at my harassing, nagging voices. And get back to AA or something like it. And find some reconciliation to a higher power I drifted from awhile ago, for no real good reason. And I hafta stop. Drinking. Today. Ben must do these things and people his life with sober helpful honest people, and I know for a fact there are a few in Hollywood. But a bunch of dithering strangers talking about it all will not help him at all. Peace out.

Life can be a very hard place to exist in. I think most people are just trying to cope and survive the best way they know how to.

Life is not easy at all. Human beings are very flawed people. We all have demons. I always try to remind myself of that.

No one is perfect, no one. We all have our struggles in this world.

R242: Amen, and I also must add, both Ben and I must find some crazy inner strength or grace, at least enough to give up and surrender. what a moment that was in my life. the earth and all the universe shifted inside me, and i was...sober!

Ben Affleck is too narcissistic to ever kill himself. If he dies from his addictions it will be because he wrapped his car around a tree or something.

I always thought at some point I’ll indulge again. I don’t think I would mind being one of those old retiree drunks hanging at the bars in SF or NYC in the afternoon, having dinner at 5 and falling asleep by 7. I don’t have that luxury now. But not sure it’s a horrible way to ride out the end days.

Now I know why he didn't move out immediately after the split. He stayed on Jens compound for over a year right? Then as soon as he moved out, he relapsed with the SNL tranny. Either go back to Jens or move into a recovery house full time.

r245: Dont worry, it's horrible enough to keep some people sober. I remember when I was still sober seeing an old drunk down on the beach every day at Gulf Shores (you know, on da Guff?) and thinking it didn't lookas though he was having one helluva lot of fun. and what a drag it would be, ogling the swimming suit crowd from the sixty year old, drunk perspective, only folling yourself every fucking day

Meh - retirement of watching CNN all day or surfing the internet vs. drinking at a gay bar. Not sure the gay bar life is so horrible. At least it’s social.

Because your ONLY options in life are to sit in a bar or sit on the Internet. God forbid you should expand your horizons.

He's a functioning alkie. I know many like this.

He probably doesn't remember a time when he hasn't been a drunk. He probably started drinking when he was a teenager...he doesn't know how to be sober. Sober is boring to him. He can't do it.

He was able to star in hit movies, direct oscar nominated films, win oscars as a drunk, gambler, whore fucker, and make millions while being fucked up. He's done pretty well in his mind. He's not gonna give it up. He might be a bit superstitious and think he can't be a success if he doesn't drink etc...who knows?

Why's he so angry? Does he drink because he's angry or does he get angry when he drinks?

How much more does this dude have to achieve (and lose) and achieve again before he's not pissed off anymore?

I don't understand people like that. What a horrible way to live life.

That kind of anger comes from not feeling loved / being abused as a child. It’s trite, but true.

The question is how to deal with that. What makes it better? I can’t think of anything. Even if the offending parent dies, it doesn’t help.

I think that would describe a lot of Hollywood but not Affleck. He's definitely not a functional drunk. He has extreme impulse control issues which is why the whole world can tell when he spirals. When he gets going, he forgets about being discreet, he starts fucking the nearest plain faced gold digger, he's at any casino that will have him, he never changes his Tshirts, gets his meals at drive throughs and his work falls apart.

Now Brad Pitt was a good example of a functional addict. Up until he said he's been drunk everyday since high school, who would have guessed. I bet you DiCaprio is also one.

DiCaprio's face looks like he drinks most days of the week. Depp, the same. I wouldn't have guessed that of Pitt. Wow.

DiCaprio's face looks like he drinks most days of the week. Depp, the same. I wouldn't have guessed that of Pitt. Wow.

Staying sober in Tinsel Town isn’t for the mild at heart. There’s everything you want to stay high/drunk, and more where that came from.

People who haven’t lived in LA think they know how it works, but they really don’t.

LA is the biggest party town I’ve ever lived in. There is literally hundreds of place to choose from every night of the week. Celebrities don’t usually hit the club on a weekend. They go on Mondays, or Tuesdays, and usually go to places where film/music industry people hang out. Weekends are for partying at home, or at some suite at the Four Seasons, or Vegas, or New York.

Regardless, there’s ALWAYS something going on if you have disposable income, and wanna get high AF. Shit is on offer constantly. Booze, blow, pills, pot, you name it. If you want it, you find it pretty quickly.

It does help when the offending parent dies R252. It helps a lot - trust me on this one.

R256 I guess that explains paris Britney and Lindsay crazy wild nights in Hollywood.

No wonder lindsay stays away from LA these days. Its probably for the better.

LiLo finds and creates trouble wherever she goes.

I always thought he would get better when he left Garner. I was wrong, Garner was the only thing grounding him. God forbid Garner tells him to take a hike. He'll be gone within a month.

R260 = Jen Garner

R242 Give me a fucking break! I’ll be happy to trade places with him and then he can REALLY see what a hard life is like! He wouldn’t know how to cope.

R262 I get exactly what your saying. And I agree with you. I wouldn't trade places with Ben Affleck through. I was speaking really about people in general, that life in general is hard.

I'm a person of color and I believe Ben is spoiled and an over privileged white man. I don't feel sorry for him at all. He has everything monetarily anyway.

I just meant that life can be really rough at times. I do agree that if everything was taken away from him he'd be completely fucked.

Absolutely.

R262 agree.

R242/Thanimus, I feel you. Sounds as if we hail from the same neck of the woods. I used to love Gulf Shores, the Pink Pony, Florabama. Royal Street in Mobile. It's not too late to quit the bottle. (I'm 67 y/o and only have 7 years sobriety). When you get sick and tired enough of being sick and tired, come back. My father drowned himself in the Magnolia River, because he gave up. That's OK, too, of course. But you sound as if you've the will to survive.

No one gives a shit about the pompous ass, OP.

My sides 🤣 r229. Ben is dumb

I agree with 260. It seems that Jen Garner is the only person with the power to give him guard rails.

Some people don't want guard rails. They just want to do it their way, and he definitely is.

You can help a person who doesn't think or admit he/she has a problem. Ben thinks he's fine. He hasn't hit rock bottom yet.

Life is short. His dick is only gonna work for a bit longer...he's gonna bang all the whores he can before he gets old

I don't believe for a second he is doing it as he wants. Every few years his wheels come off and we get a glimpse of how he would LIKE to live. Drunk in a casino wearing yesterday's clothes with an average faced fun time girl on his arm. Every time we see Ben around his kids and sober too, that's all Jennifer.

Spot on R271. And neither is sustainable long term.

I’d applaud his slobby debauchery, were it not for those sweet nerdy kids of his. :(

Do you think he'll pull a Nicholas Cage and have a Vegas quickie with one of his butter faces?

No, R274, would have happened by now.

Do you think his kids are greeted in the hallways at school, by their classmates, playing Benny's latest on TMZ at full blast?

Because there a more than a few assholes who I grew up with who tortured me for less and had less to work with.

Benny should have had a vasectomy at 21. He's a worse father than his own, he knows exactly what he's putting those kids of his through. Fat, selfish oaf.

Probably half his kids schoolmates’ parents were execs who’ve been #metoo’ed.

This is bullshit - drinking and gambling are awesome and fun, he isn’t raping or drunk driving. Goddamn puritans.

Get down, Ben. Do you, be sloppy, and screw the Instagram perfect boring celebrity of today.

He isn't gonna die any time soon. stop your wishful thinking.

Jennifer ain't gonna let that happen, she may have divorced him but she still controls a lot of his life.

Actually I do think he will die soon. I can’t see him living to 60 years old. If it’s not intentional suicide, it will be an OD on a heavy bender, maybe in Las Vegas. (Because Ben is classy like that) Some gamboling, drinking, whores, cocaine, and then the heart stops.

Agreed R279. He reminds me a bit of the kid from Glee who od'ed. He even looks a bit like him. Ben hates himself for some reason. There's a lot of self loathing there.

If he doesn't OD, it's going to be a heart attack. You can't drink, smoke, do coke and eat garbage like that and not have cardiac problems. Carrie Fisher, George Michael, etc.

He seems like the type who will always push his high. Keith Richards credits his longevity to the purity of his drugs and the idea that there is only so high you can get, don't cross that line. Ben doesn't have that line. I don't have it either once I'm fucked up. It's very scary.

All I know is that if Jennifer dies before those kids are grown, everyone will be royally screwed. Including her biggest baby, Ben.

R283 = Jen, trying to feel important

R283 - actually it would be hilarious if Jen was to die unexpectedly, and Ben had to raise the kids full time. I’m sure he would hire a full staff to do it.

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You guys are hilarious, thinking Garner wouldn't have set up safeguards in her will, making sure Ben would never be responsible for raising those spawn of theirs, on his own.

LOL, they'd go to one of her family members or even Victor Garber, before she'd let this wasted tub of shit do it.

Yeah now that you mention it theres no way she doesnt have a plan in place to whisk those babies to the Apalachian mountains before her body is cold. Not even over her dead body.

Ben would never take the kids. He's barely a weekend dad as it is. I like Garner a lot. Her kids lucked out in the mom department.

I don’t know that I “like” Garner (she’s mildly annoying), but she seems to be an ok mom.

Her PR will make sure that no one misses a thing or ever forgets it.

The posters on this thread are sick! Casually putting death out into the universe for ben and Jennifer.

It's really gross and sick. Very disturbing actually. That says a lot about the people posting on this thread.

You all must not be happy people to be doing that.

Gossiping is not manifesting things. No one has wished Ben or his family ill, just raised scenarios that are likely in a habitual still using addict.

He was slurring like Liza on that sports show. Hope he does not drive those kids around.

R292 - I’m actually very content, but I’d be even more happy with Ben and/or Jen dead. They have fame, fortune, unlimited travel opportunities and status. It’s someone else’s turn.

R292 you are a rare breed a Ben and Jen Stan

R295 I'm not a ben and jen stan. I just dont like the casual putting out into the universe about death onto the living.

We all go when it's our time.

And R294 You sound crazy. No one is stopping you from becoming a movie star. Go for it, you too could live the life of endless $$ and a Jetset lifestyle with a beautiful movie star mansion.

Go for it.

[quote]Ben Affleck will never get sober. He seems to believe the AA crap about relapse being part of recovery (it isn't).

Huh? I've been sober in AA twenty years longer than you have and this is the first I've ever heard that "AA believes 'relapse' is part of recovery". If you pick up booze, that's because you're hoping to try to make it work again, like a true alcoholic!

[quote]The Cult of AA seems to have a dog in this race as an "alcoholism gene"

Again, I've been sober in AA for 30+ years, and DataLounge is the ONLY place I hear and read all these things that "AA believes". I'm beginning to think people come here with this made up nonsense and an agenda.....yawn.