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Vice President 2020

Who should the Democratic nominee choose as their VP?

Each of the last three have had quite unique background.

Cheney: sociopathic business executive/House member;

Biden: old-school career politician with family tragedies;

Pence: governor, hack House member, radio show host, religious zealot

If the nominee is Biden, who should his VP be?

What if it's Warren?

Buttigieg's VP?

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by Anonymousreply 131October 23, 2019 6:16 PM

Warren and Biden should choose Buttigieg.

Buttigieg should choose Harris.

by Anonymousreply 1October 18, 2019 3:55 PM

Sorry, I should had Bernie in there. Who would his VP be?

by Anonymousreply 2October 18, 2019 4:01 PM

Andrew Gillum

by Anonymousreply 3October 18, 2019 4:04 PM

The best VP's are the ones who can work with Congress, especially the Senate to wrangle the votes. Also someone who can take over if necessary. In general, a VP who is strong where the Presidential candidate is weak. That's why Obama and Biden worked well. But behind the scenes Biden needed a lot of managing, because he could go off the rails.

by Anonymousreply 4October 18, 2019 4:05 PM
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by Anonymousreply 5October 18, 2019 4:06 PM

R3, Andrew Gillum would be a wonderful choice. Yeah.

by Anonymousreply 6October 18, 2019 4:06 PM

Booker for Warren? Or is he too compromised by pharma and bank money?

by Anonymousreply 7October 18, 2019 4:07 PM

Definitely not Tim Kaine.

by Anonymousreply 8October 18, 2019 4:08 PM

Joe Biden is looking at Stacey Abrams and she is out here raising her profile and doing all this Voting Rights stuff on a national level so she really wants it.She's very aggressive too.I think that's the wrong approach. I'm not feeling her at all. Stacey could be a very strong candidate for the Georgia Senate seat. Two Republican Senators are retiring this year. We needed her to run.But her eyes are on a bigger prize. Very foolish.

by Anonymousreply 9October 18, 2019 4:14 PM

If it's Warren, we need a man perceived as an alpha type as VP. Someone who can fucking call out closet Pence's bullshit, which Kaine failed to do last time. Call him out, with quotes of things he's said and written. Show him for the phony liar he is.

And, if possible, out him.

by Anonymousreply 10October 18, 2019 4:17 PM

I want to know if Pence inflicts harm on the family's pet rabbit. A welfare check may be in order.

by Anonymousreply 11October 18, 2019 4:17 PM

We're gonna be up against the Evangelicals and the fundamentalists too, not just the Alt Right. Well, I guess they're all part of the same mess.

by Anonymousreply 12October 18, 2019 4:19 PM

[QUOTE] If it's Warren, we need a man perceived as an alpha type as VP. Someone who can fucking call out closet Pence's bullshit, which Kaine failed to do last time. Call him out, with quotes of things he's said and written. Show him for the phony liar he is.

Andrew Gillum would destroy Pence in the VP debate.

by Anonymousreply 13October 18, 2019 4:20 PM

Chelsea Clinton.

by Anonymousreply 14October 18, 2019 4:22 PM

Is there a "white adjacent" guy who could be VP? Like George P. Bush but a substantive Dem?

by Anonymousreply 15October 18, 2019 4:23 PM

Warren can’t choose Pete because they share the same base of voters. White, college educated and rich. Warren is growing with voters of color but Pete can’t manage much more than 1%. And theyre ideologically opposed on many things. The obvious choice for her is someone like Gillum.

by Anonymousreply 16October 18, 2019 4:23 PM

Biden will throw everything he’s got at Stacey Abrams to get her to be his VP. I’d imagine Bernie would also try to get her as well.

by Anonymousreply 17October 18, 2019 4:25 PM

Elizabeth needs a person of color. Absolutely.Either she goes with Andrew Gillum or KAmala. I'd make Booker my 3rd choice, and Castro is my 4th. Booker will need LOTS of coaching.

I hope we do see Chelsea Clinton run for something, but not VP. She is capable and she has been doing some wonderful, hands on work for the Clinton foundation.She'd be great. And I hope she does it while her mother is around to enjoy it. I think running for Congress would be a smart move. If she ups her profile she could take Schumer's place one day.

by Anonymousreply 18October 18, 2019 4:28 PM

I'm sure you know this, R18. Just posting for its own sake.

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by Anonymousreply 19October 18, 2019 4:31 PM

I'm in FL and Andrew Gillum came very close for Governor. Dem nominee will need FL.

by Anonymousreply 20October 18, 2019 4:33 PM

If only Beto had performed better in his presidential run.

by Anonymousreply 21October 18, 2019 4:34 PM

[QUOTE] Biden will

hopefully get a speaking slot at the 2020 Dem convention before Warren is officially nominated. That’s about the only thing he will be doing.

by Anonymousreply 22October 18, 2019 4:37 PM

Martin Van Buren was Vice President and a big cocksucker.

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by Anonymousreply 23October 18, 2019 4:38 PM

DLers often forget that the candidates are running to be President of the United States, not President of Twitter or President of Hell's Kitchen.

Biden would do well with Amy K or Gretchen Whitmer who would give him a strong midwestern woman who people could see taking over as president if something happened to old Joe.

Warren would do well with Beto who is all ego to her id, or even Steve Bullock or Sherrod Brown-- she needs to not be Adlai Stevenson Redux and needs some emotion and non-East Coastness and appeal to people who are not part of the coastal educated elite. As for Pete, he's great but he appeals to the same base and there' also the issue of whether America is ready for a ticket consisting of a woman and a gay man? [Not to mention the fact, that as Kate McK snarked on SNL last week, Warren checks all the Lesbian boxes.]

The problem with Gillum and Abrams is that they're going to seem like tokens/affirmative action choices.

Gillum's only real experience was as mayor of Tallahassee? That's a tough sell.

Ditto Abrams whose only real experience has been as a state rep in the Georgia legislature--she's never even served in Congress. And Joe may not be sentient in four years.

by Anonymousreply 24October 18, 2019 4:40 PM

[quote] Warren would do well with Beto who is all ego to her id...

I'd say it's the other way around (cf. "ego" in the colloquial sense).

by Anonymousreply 25October 18, 2019 4:45 PM

You're right R25-- screwed that up. Even in the Freudian sense she is the rational piece, he is the emotional piece.

by Anonymousreply 26October 18, 2019 4:49 PM

I dunno about Gretchen Whitmer. She wanted to raise Michigan's gas tax by 45 cents per gallon (!!!) to "fix the damn roads." She looks the part though.

by Anonymousreply 27October 18, 2019 4:50 PM

[QUOTE] The problem with Gillum and Abrams is that they're going to seem like tokens/affirmative action choices.

Bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 28October 18, 2019 4:52 PM

[quote] I'm in FL and Andrew Gillum came very close for Governor. Dem nominee will need FL.

Lets be honest if all the votes were counted and there was no voter suppression, Gillum WON Florida. I think we absolutely need a person of color on the ticket. Gillum is smart, strong plays well in the freaky red states and knows how to navigate them. His national profile though is low which can be an asset. I looove Abrams but can the country handle a two woman ticket? She is also a good intovert /contrast to Warren's more in your face energy. I like them both.

by Anonymousreply 29October 18, 2019 4:54 PM

Outside of Black Twitter and No-Blacks-At-Some-Randos-Birthday-Party DL, R28, that is exactly how they will be perceived.

by Anonymousreply 30October 18, 2019 4:55 PM

Who exactly will perceive them this way, R30?

by Anonymousreply 31October 18, 2019 4:57 PM

Adam Kinzinger for the win and the hotness and the military experience.

by Anonymousreply 32October 18, 2019 5:01 PM

R32, he's not a Dem... and there's the closet issue. His Grindr pics were lame, too.

by Anonymousreply 33October 18, 2019 5:03 PM

Centrist white voters, R30. A good segment of them.

by Anonymousreply 34October 18, 2019 5:04 PM

What R34 said. Especially centrist white voters over 40

by Anonymousreply 35October 18, 2019 5:06 PM

Adam had Grindr pics? I thought he was too closeted for that.

by Anonymousreply 36October 18, 2019 5:07 PM

Got caught, R36. Tattoos match. Might have been on the old Manhunt.

by Anonymousreply 37October 18, 2019 5:08 PM

Booker might be OK, if he trims the love rhetoric, stops mentioning being vegan, and really studies up on Pence's bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 38October 18, 2019 5:10 PM

I don't think it'll be Castro, because his main issue has been decriminalizing illegal border crossings, which the great mass of voters interpret as "open borders," which is bullshit, but is the reality on the ground.

It might not be an African-American, because if it's Warren, picking an African-American might prompt undue attention to her reparations position, which is a huge turnoff to many.

But it'll most likely have to be some kind of nonwhite or white adjacent male if it's Warren. If it's Biden, demographically, almost anyone might work.

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by Anonymousreply 39October 18, 2019 5:14 PM

Those that would be "turned off" by Abrams or Gillums being a "token" choice 1) would not likely vote for the Dem nominee anyway, and 2) in any case be offset by increased turnout of the Dem/voters of color base. Both are strong communicators. If Warren is nominated she'll need a VP who can inspire black voters - two women unlikely, Gillums or Booker match what's needed. If Biden is nominated, he'll have black voters already, he needs a younger woman perhaps... how about Tammy Duckworth? If Bernie were nominated he'd need someone "fresh" and surprising but someone who would "calm" the centrist worriers... Laura Kelly Gov of Kansas

by Anonymousreply 40October 18, 2019 5:16 PM

[quote] Those that would be "turned off" by Abrams or Gillums being a "token" choice 1) would not likely vote for the Dem nominee anyway, and 2) in any case be offset by increased turnout of the Dem/voters of color base.

That's kind of what they said about a woman nominee for president in 2016. Those turned off by Hillary being a women wouldn't vote Dem anyway, and in any case Trump's alienated all ethnic minorities, and their support is essential to winning the presidency — and they're going to turn out in droves because Trump is a huge racist.

Lost many middling, vaguely sexist white male voters, etc. and we got the cult monster. This time we might lose middling, vaguely racist white male and female voters.

In any case, they need to "do the numbers" and figure out the optimal accompaniment for whomever is the nominee.

by Anonymousreply 41October 18, 2019 5:23 PM

We need to win the people who flipped the red districts blue in the 2018 Congressional elections particularly in red or purple states in the industrial midwest.

Those voters will be far more likely to show up to support a VP pick like Whitmer or Klobucher or Beto or Brown

Again, the race is for President of the United States.

Not President of Woke Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 42October 18, 2019 5:56 PM

Pete is clearly the frontrunner.

by Anonymousreply 43October 18, 2019 5:58 PM

Black people usually support democrats but the problem is they don't always turn out to vote, i agree that you need to have a black VP to give them some incentive to care. Other than that people don't vote for VP

by Anonymousreply 44October 18, 2019 6:03 PM

Andrew Gillum, unfortunately, has the taint of the FBI investigation of Tallahassee City Hall. Not his fault, but it's there, and it can be turned into some monstrous fiction by the cult.

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by Anonymousreply 45October 18, 2019 6:07 PM

If it has to be a straight white guy, my choice would be Adam Schiff. Despite his faux pas at the opening of the Impeachment Hearings.

by Anonymousreply 46October 18, 2019 6:15 PM

Biden should pick Klobucher.

She's just as unexciting and uninspiring as he is!

by Anonymousreply 47October 18, 2019 6:16 PM

I don't think Schiff would want it. He's going to be Speaker someday.

by Anonymousreply 48October 18, 2019 6:33 PM

Bill Gross, formerly of Pimco, said today on CNBC that he believes Warren will be the nominee and Trump will lose.

by Anonymousreply 49October 18, 2019 6:34 PM

Liz and Pete dop not share the same voters. Pete is more of a centrist, while Liz is more of a socialist.

by Anonymousreply 50October 18, 2019 6:39 PM

Blossom for everybody. If she turns it down, then it has to go to Hillary Clinton.

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by Anonymousreply 51October 18, 2019 6:54 PM

I say Gillum or Harris. I love the idea of KAmala and Elizabeth. And yes people would too vote for two women. Remember. This is no ordinary time....to quote Eleanor Roosevelt. And Trump is all the incentive we need to vote and be excited. I do have a sense though that there are powerful forces at work out there that are trying to fix this for Joe Biden. There have been more Russian bots after Kamala on twitter than on any other candidate, and the moment Elizabeth pulls ahead they are going to come after her hard. They will attack relentlessly and I'm not talking about Trump or the other Dems. I'm taking about the Media.I hope I'm wrong. But certain powerful forces out there are heavily invested in Joe winning, and it's beyond American interests. It's international interests.

by Anonymousreply 52October 18, 2019 7:12 PM

R50, everyone know by now that there's substantial overlap.

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by Anonymousreply 53October 18, 2019 7:13 PM

For R50. Monmouth data. Plenty of overlap.

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by Anonymousreply 54October 18, 2019 7:18 PM

Maybe that's why he started to be more aggressive, being the kind smart braniac wasn't going to help him move up.

by Anonymousreply 55October 18, 2019 7:22 PM

SMH

So many of you live inside a very small bubble.

We can't keep nominating candidates from the Northeast and California. We need people from the middle of the country to balance them out.

Whether DLers like them or not, midwestern fraus vote consistently, as do their herrs, and they are the swing voters we need.

Whoever the nominee is, the Democrats are not going to lose California or New York or Massachusetts. It's Ohio and Michigan and Minnesota and Wisconsin we need to worry about.

Almost all the current candidates are from the Northeast or CA:

NE: Warren, Sanders, Booker, Biden, Yang

CA: Harris

Midwest: Amy, Pete

Texas: Beto

Outside of Time-Space Continuum: Williamson

by Anonymousreply 56October 18, 2019 7:41 PM

Biden should choose Harris, Warren should choose Buttigieg and Buttigieg would be best with Harris also.

by Anonymousreply 57October 18, 2019 7:48 PM

Abrams??? Even Georgia didn't want her (yeah, I know, Russian bots or whatever). Mayor Pete!

by Anonymousreply 58October 18, 2019 7:58 PM

Harris= loser Two women = loser

by Anonymousreply 59October 18, 2019 7:58 PM

Gillum and Abrams are non-starters - neither managed to overcome their voter suppression and actually win, and Gillum has Tallahassee corruption problems.

Pete, Sherrod, Amy, Gretchen, Tammy all interesting. Janet Napolitano not mentioned and brings Arizona. Deval Patrick is an AA with executive experience. Evan Bayh. Or how about....Al Franken?

by Anonymousreply 60October 18, 2019 8:01 PM

No Dem senator in a state with a Repub governor.

by Anonymousreply 61October 18, 2019 8:10 PM

I think it will be Andrew Gillum. Her team has already been meeting with Gillum recently I read. I follow politics but live in California. This is the first thing I've heard about Gillum having a negative--it's just not out there in the news about Tallahassee unless you're a Floridian I guess and apparently he wasn't directly involved. People need to remember that black female voters are the #1 most reliable voting block for Democrats--they are THE voters that Dems need to win. So if it's Warren, she shouldn't have another woman--and she needs a younger black male. Ergo, it will be Gillum. He's charismatic but he won't overshadow her. She doesn't need an "alpha" male but she doesn't need a wimp like Tim Kaine.

by Anonymousreply 62October 18, 2019 8:12 PM

I think that Ohio is gone. I live there and it is so fucking conservative these days. I don't think that even Biden can win here.

R62 is correct about Warren and Gillum. He admitted to meeting with her a few nights ago on CNN.

He also added that he had spoken with several of the candidates running for President, so.....

by Anonymousreply 63October 18, 2019 8:58 PM

[quote] People need to remember that black female voters are the #1 most reliable voting block for Democrats--they are THE voters that Dems need to win.

Do you see the problem here, R62?

by Anonymousreply 64October 18, 2019 10:13 PM

R56 … umm, the current President is from, umm, where?

by Anonymousreply 65October 18, 2019 10:49 PM

New York.

Which is why the current Vice President is from Indiana R65

What is your point?

by Anonymousreply 66October 18, 2019 11:13 PM

Would LOVE it if whoever got the nomination picked Sherrod Brown. And no, I don't think his voice is annoying; I think it's sexy.....

by Anonymousreply 67October 19, 2019 1:53 AM

Sherrod's appointment would assure another Republican senator

by Anonymousreply 68October 19, 2019 2:18 AM

If northern Ohio votes en masse, the Dems win. But, knowing this, they have avoided the area, following the strategy of Hillary Clinton, who ignored northern Ohio, a Democratic stronghold. Everyone goes to Columbus, but the suburbs are pure Republican. What's wrong with firing up your base? Don't make the same mistake as Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 69October 19, 2019 2:21 AM

Ohio went for Obama both elections, because he fired up his base.

by Anonymousreply 70October 19, 2019 2:22 AM

r69 Ohio was gone there was no point for Hillary to waste her time there and frankly Sherrod brown wouldn't be able to deliver it.

by Anonymousreply 71October 19, 2019 3:37 AM

I think Warren-Brown could win Ohio. I think it'd be bad to lose his Senate seat. I think the Dems can win the election without Ohio,

by Anonymousreply 72October 19, 2019 3:52 AM

r72 Look at it this way if we couldn't win a race in a certain state in 2018, we probably won't win it in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 73October 19, 2019 4:00 AM

[quote]Adam Schiff. Despite his faux pas at the opening of the Impeachment Hearings.

Schiff the best active politician we have in congress. Girl please, he would run circles around every other Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 74October 19, 2019 6:28 AM

Not sure where to put this. But one thing we should keep in mind. As the Democratic candidates fan out across Iowa and New Hampshire, North and South Carolina, and other states, thousands of people will show up to hear them talk. A lot of them will be Democrats, but a lot of them will also be Independents, all curious to hear what they have to say.

All of the Candidates want to address the Climate Crisis, all of them want better, more affordable Healthcare for as many people as possible. All of the want to end gun violence, all of them want to improve our standard of living and address income inequality, all of them want to upgrade our infrastructure and increase the minimum wage.

They may differ on How, but they all agree on What they want to do. And as they present their ideas they are also doing something else: They are educating and informing masses of voters. It is so important that people be better informed. It really is the only way to combat "fake news" and the aggressive disinformation campaigns we will be getting because the Republicans have amassed so much money they will flood the airwaves.

So my hope is that we will get out here, and encourage as many other people as we can, to try to get to at least one appearance during the primary campaigns, and hear them speak. It will give you hope. I did it a few weeks go with Kamala Harris, and I was really impressed. I intend to see Warren, and Mayor Pete, and a couple of others too. This is the only time we will have a real opportunity to fully appreciate the beauty of our democracy.

by Anonymousreply 75October 20, 2019 3:37 AM

We need Adam Schiff to stay right where he is. His leadership right now is indispensable.

by Anonymousreply 76October 20, 2019 3:38 AM

R76, I was thinking the same.

by Anonymousreply 77October 20, 2019 6:17 PM

If it's Warren, she needs someone who's perceived as more centrist. Obama choose Biden in part to balance out how many feared Obama was some kind of radical (insane fear).

Warren and Klobuchar would have been good if the latter were male.

by Anonymousreply 78October 20, 2019 6:19 PM

Kamala is more centrist than Warren and I think they are a great team. I had to LOL! at a tweet I saw from some BErnieBot telling people not to trust Elizabeth Warren because she was a "big phony" and that she would sell us out, etc. Not authentic. I guess some of BErnie's fans are concerned that Elizabeth may overtake him. Especially after the heart attack.

by Anonymousreply 79October 20, 2019 11:39 PM

Kamala is obviously not an option for Elizabeth judging by Warren's side eye response in the last debate to Kamala's suggestion that Warren should join her in trying to get Twitter to stop Trump from tweeting. I imagine she thinks Kamala is a lightweight, which is obvious to many people at this point. Second, two women running together really will not fly yet. Too bad IMO but I think her running mate needs to be male and probably non-white.

by Anonymousreply 80October 21, 2019 12:11 AM

Unfortunately I feel we are at a point where the best person just isn't going to be good enough, a man will need to pick a woman running mate and vice versa, a white person will need to pick a black person

by Anonymousreply 81October 21, 2019 12:17 AM

Anyone but Blossom would be literal violence.

by Anonymousreply 82October 21, 2019 12:19 AM

Black female, possibly Stacey Abrams.

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by Anonymousreply 83October 21, 2019 1:38 AM

How about Hakeem?

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by Anonymousreply 84October 21, 2019 2:36 AM

I picture Warren choosing someone young, male, and centrist like a Conor Lamb.

by Anonymousreply 85October 21, 2019 3:11 AM

Several good points made here repeatedly.

•VP needs to work well with Senate/Congress so national profile is important. Abrams/Gillum/Buttigieg all lack this.

•It's states like Michigan, and yes, Florida we need to worry about. Suburban/black women. Gillum is strongest in this regard. A mid-Westerner would be a wise choice. That being said, I don't know any, am not from flyover country.

•Booker could do it but yes, would need coaching.

Biden/Harris Warren/Booker Buttigieg/??? Bernie/???

by Anonymousreply 86October 21, 2019 4:12 AM

Love it, r85!

by Anonymousreply 87October 21, 2019 4:25 AM

I don't understand people pushing a state legislator from Georgia.

by Anonymousreply 88October 21, 2019 6:26 AM

Harris is really the best bet VP choice for most of them. She has it all from a running mate standpoint and is a moderate for the cherry on top. That said, I would guess that Warren might need a male (likely Buttigieg, but homophobia is still a thing no matter how obnoxious that is..). This is still all up in the air for now.

by Anonymousreply 89October 21, 2019 6:59 AM

Harris is a phoney. Though as a Black woman she would be a natural for Pete to pick her for his VP.

by Anonymousreply 90October 21, 2019 11:12 AM

R90, You and the other posters advocating Harris as VP should go to LSA and read what posters say about her. Also pandering won't work but will instead backfire. Recall when so many DL posters though Oprah Winfrey would make the ideal VP candidate just because she's Black?

by Anonymousreply 91October 21, 2019 11:39 AM

The attacks on Harris are with out any basis in fact, especially about her time as Prosecutor and then as AG in California, and smell a lot like the factually incorrect, misleading accusations that plagued Hillary. Harris is no lightweight. She also has more Russian bots attacking her on social media than any other Democratic candidate. That makes me like her even more.

by Anonymousreply 92October 21, 2019 11:51 AM

Harris for Attorney General. Only option. If we get that far.

by Anonymousreply 93October 21, 2019 3:01 PM

R84, No one from New York! Haven't you inflicted enough punishment on the country?

by Anonymousreply 94October 21, 2019 3:32 PM

[quote] Ohio was gone there was no point for Hillary to waste her time there

Yes, clearly that is why she chose to ignore Ohio. (As opposed to the actual reason which was that her team did not even consider it to be in play.)

In the minds of her DL acolytes she is truly an infallible omnipotent deity, incapable of errors.

by Anonymousreply 95October 21, 2019 3:40 PM

If the nominee is Biden I'd like to see him choose Warren or Buttigieg. If the nominee is Warren I'd like to see her choose Buttigieg (as I'm sure Biden would never be interested).

by Anonymousreply 96October 21, 2019 3:42 PM

Biden is too old to be Vice President.

by Anonymousreply 97October 21, 2019 4:37 PM

Is their a reason folks think Buttigieg would make a good VP??? He has no federal experience!!

by Anonymousreply 98October 21, 2019 5:36 PM

But he has an enormous amount of intelligence and common sense. Far more than many former VPs.

by Anonymousreply 99October 21, 2019 5:51 PM

Pete needs to run for Congress.....period. I think that he could be elected easily. He has no government experience at all outside of being mayor of a dinky college town - population 100,000. I like him, but to say that he is a green horn is an understatement. He isn't particularly ready for much else. Congress, Pete - run!

by Anonymousreply 100October 21, 2019 6:30 PM

Don't the candidates usually pick someone whos not an also ran?

by Anonymousreply 101October 21, 2019 6:49 PM

Why is Pete accepting advice and hiring decisions from Mark Zuckerberg?

by Anonymousreply 102October 21, 2019 7:02 PM

R101 that would be my recommendation. Because by the time this is over and we get a nominee, we will need a fresh face, a fresh voice. Someone who will excite us. I adore Hillary. I refuse to criticize her because she had a perfect storm of shit to deal with and it didn't matter how many times she went to Wisconsin with Scott Walker in charge, or to Ohio, or Michigan, or PA. (and Biden could have done a hell of a lot more including camping out in PA and Michigan where they loved him.) The fix was in. They had already been targeted. She won the popular vote and lost by 77,744 STOLEN votes.

Trump and Putin love to promote the false narrative of "if only Hillary had done more, if only she were more likable, if only her campaign were better organized...blah blah blah." I have worked on a lot of campaigns. Hillary's 2016 campaign was about as good as it gets. Hindsight is always 20/20 and people attach significance to shit that would otherwise mean nothing if she'd won.

If she were in the White House right now, no one would be saying shit about her campaign. The fucking election was STOLEN. What part of that do you not understand? Now. Having said that, I do wish she had chosen someone else for her VP. Tim Kaine was as exciting as watching paint dry. And Amy Klobuchar reminds me of that every fucking time I see her on TV

by Anonymousreply 103October 21, 2019 7:13 PM

Foreign diplomats have said Hillary was the fiercest most hardcore proponent of American interests as SoS. Ever.

by Anonymousreply 104October 21, 2019 7:20 PM

Harris is acting like your blowsy drunk aunt at a wedding, cackling and "gurlfriending." It's over, Aunt Kam. I'll call you an Uber.

President Pete. Vice President Pete. Six months later, President Pete.

by Anonymousreply 105October 21, 2019 7:24 PM

r105: I agree. At the beginning of the last debate Harris was talkin' black. I agree that she acts like she is drunk. When she got more incensed as time wore on, she talked in her normal California voice. And she has NOTHING original to say. And her record as DA and AG in CA is very questionable. Just google it; I did. I doubt even other black women like her. The one thing I like and respect is that she is firmly against the death penalty and always has been. I'll give her that. But that's not a prime issue in this election cycle.

by Anonymousreply 106October 21, 2019 7:31 PM

[quote] I adore Hillary. I refuse to criticize her... I do wish she had chosen someone else for her VP. Tim Kaine was as exciting as watching paint dry.

#ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmm

by Anonymousreply 107October 21, 2019 7:31 PM

[quote] Foreign diplomats have said Hillary was the fiercest most hardcore proponent of American interests as SoS. Ever.

And angels have said that she will sit at the right hand of The Lord when she ascends to heaven.

by Anonymousreply 108October 21, 2019 7:32 PM

R105 I agree. She was on one of the cable news shows either Friday or Saturday evening. Her eyes were watery and she was giggling/almost slurring. It's like she was out drinking and called CNN to see if she could drop in. I almost felt bad for her.

by Anonymousreply 109October 21, 2019 7:52 PM

R108 snark away in your basement. My source is firsthand.

by Anonymousreply 110October 21, 2019 8:55 PM

You people have no idea how this works. The point of the VP is to balance the ticket. Warren and Buttigieg draw from the same demographics. What states can Pete potentially offer that she can’t get herself? The answer is zero. If Beto hadn’t imploded he was obviously the ideal choice for any candidate because he puts Texas in play but that ship has sailed imo. Warren needs a man of color from the sunbelt. It’ll be Gillum.

Biden can’t choose a white man. Come on.

by Anonymousreply 111October 21, 2019 8:58 PM

The way liberals hurl “gay” as an insult as Republicans is the only overt homophobia tolerated in our society.

by Anonymousreply 112October 21, 2019 9:02 PM

[quote] My source is firsthand.

So one foreign diplomat.

A low level attache from the Bolivian embassy who's still in the closet, but you do what you gotta do.

by Anonymousreply 113October 21, 2019 9:27 PM

[quote] Pete needs to run for Congress.....period. I think that he could be elected easily. He has no government experience at all outside of being mayor of a dinky college town - population 100,000. I like him, but to say that he is a green horn is an understatement. He isn't particularly ready for much else. Congress, Pete - run!

R100, Pete would have to move, his congressional district is heavily gerrymandered Republican, it was pretty balanced at one point and would often elect a Democrat but that won't happen with these present boundaries. He couldn't be elected easily, I know because I live in it and Pete knows it too.

Mayors of any decent size city have more executive experience than anyone who has only been in Congress. They have ran a large enterprise while members of Congress run nothing larger than their congressional staff.

by Anonymousreply 114October 22, 2019 12:20 AM

R111 I think "balance" increasingly not geographic... demographic, philosophic, age balance is called for. Warren old, Pete young. Warren progressive, Pete (unfortunately, to my thinking) more and more of safe, corporate-friendly centrist.

by Anonymousreply 115October 22, 2019 1:04 AM

Biden and Booker: Better for America

by Anonymousreply 116October 22, 2019 3:32 AM

Thank you for the detailed insider info, R114. It is both interesting and insightful. I appreciate your feedback from the standpoint of an actual local citizen of South Bend. That said, do you consider a population of approximately 100,000 to be a "decent" sized city? That sounds more like a tiny suburb to me. Mayor of Los Angeles - well...that is a different story.

by Anonymousreply 117October 22, 2019 4:53 AM

100k is a village in China, a major city in Iceland. But the complexity differs too I'm sure. Any which way, it's more executive, administrative and legislative experience than a member of Congress.

by Anonymousreply 118October 22, 2019 8:41 AM

You know, there have been books written about the type of person best suited for the Presidency. I highly recommend Richard Neustadt. If you are inclined towards politics and government. It was said of FDR that he had a second rate intellect, but a first rate personality. He favored the garbage can model of management style. overlapping assignments and competition between staffers. It assured him of getting the best information available and not having staff gang up on him. Eisenhower, being from the military favored a hierarchical management style. There are several styles and all of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Having Administrative experience is always a plus. So governors and Mayors rather than members of either house of Congress had the opportunity to manage a large operation with many competing interests. But Personality is just as important as experience. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were both governors. But personality and temperament played a huge role in how effective they were. Carter was a disaster. Clinton, (aside from his promiscuity) was a good administrator.

by Anonymousreply 119October 22, 2019 10:56 AM

[quote] Biden and Booker

That would never happen. Booker is a fraud of the highest order.

by Anonymousreply 120October 22, 2019 1:14 PM

For the above posters who keep pushing politicians as VP choices just because they're Black despite they're not being very high in the polls, don't you think you're coming across as pandering and even racist? Don't you think that the average Black voter can clearly see through your phony objectives? Same for women who scrutinize women politicians to make sure that they've actually helped created legislation that has helped women rather than just making nice sounding claims to get votes.

by Anonymousreply 121October 22, 2019 6:30 PM

Let's see - we have one white female and two white males that are "high in the polls". After that, a white gay male and a black female. How does it NOT make sense to you that one of the nominees who are "high in the polls" might get the nomination and perhaps run with a candidate whose campaign was not as successful as his or hers, but who also has a lot of name recognition and can bring in voters that he/she cannot? Also, "most" of these candidates have a stellar background and have been very accomplished in his or her field. It just seems natural to me....

by Anonymousreply 122October 22, 2019 7:01 PM

Hillary would be a great VP. At least she's been in the federal government at the highest levels.

by Anonymousreply 123October 22, 2019 10:12 PM

I was a Biden fan, but he doesn’t have the ”fight” in him. The Dem has to be able to insult Trump to his face, and do it with a smile.

I’m hoping that Warren has it, but I’m not sure yet. My dream ticket is Warren/Buttegeg, I think.

by Anonymousreply 124October 22, 2019 10:59 PM

[quote] R98: Is their a reason folks think Buttigieg would make a good VP??? He has no federal experience!!

He’s extremely smart. I also think he’s humble enough to know when he doesn’t know something, and that he needs to consult an expert, and research the history. I’ve heard him, and he can think on his feet.

Those features are lacking in Turnip, and it shows. The Trump administration shows that the government will run pretty well by itself, even with a Russian asset as President. So, imagine it with someone like Pete as President, and I think we’d be back in good shape.

by Anonymousreply 125October 22, 2019 11:07 PM

Personally, I believe that Hillary’s pneumonia was one of the factors that, by itself, cost her the election. It made some people question her health. It reduced her stamina and ability to campaign. And, I also believe that the Russians gave it to heel.

by Anonymousreply 126October 22, 2019 11:17 PM

^...gave it to her.

Think about it. They’ve successfully used umbrellas to inject plutonium or whatever it is, into Ukrainian candidate’s legs, And that was a decade ago, more recently, they’ve done at least two assassination attempts in London using some other chemical. Hmm, I might even be conflating even more incidents, here.

Their ally Kim, killed his brother using a two-step chemical process, the two chemicals were not dangerous alone, but when mixed, they became deadly. Kim used two assassins to somehow spray or spill the two chemicals in series onto his relative. The assassination worked, though at least one of the assassins managed to contact the chemical mix and got sick, and therefore got caught.

Anyhow, the Russians have a huge biological program. And Trump ‘s people knew about it, too. All those comments about Hillary’s chronic cough. At the time, I thought it was such a stupid overreaction to a trivial matter, but they knew before the public knew, that it was more serious. Maybe before even Hillary knew.

by Anonymousreply 127October 22, 2019 11:33 PM

I don't think I ever read that Hillary's pneumonia was serious. She had walking pneumonia. It was all blown way up by Trump TV.

by Anonymousreply 128October 23, 2019 6:02 PM

it wasn't Hillary's pneumonia that "cost her the election." it was the way the Media covered her pneumonia that may have caused some people to be concerned about her health. Bernie just had a heart attack. For at least two days no one knew where he was, or WTF happened, and when they finally did, how did the media handle it compared to Hillary? I rest my case.

by Anonymousreply 129October 23, 2019 6:10 PM

First of all the VP has to be prepared to take over instantly. We know that. But the modern PResidency, the VP is more than a figure head. He helps do the heavy lifting at times. If Biden is POTUS he will need a VP who will co-president with him and someone who is familiar with Congress and can work to help get Congress to pass shit. Joe will have to focus on Foreign Policy which is in shambles.

by Anonymousreply 130October 23, 2019 6:12 PM

R129 A very insightful comparison. Trumpism "owned" the media (which they so decried) in 2016. It was so acceptable to all (right and left) to apply a different standard to Hillary. Hillary was dying of some horrible disease. Now: Bernie..."oh doesn't he look great after the heart attack!!!"

by Anonymousreply 131October 23, 2019 6:16 PM
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