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CNN/New York Times Democratic Debate ** Viewing Thread ** Part 3

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by Anonymousreply 500February 4, 2020 9:52 PM

Previous thread.

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by Anonymousreply 1October 16, 2019 2:45 AM

Tulsi, killin' it.

by Anonymousreply 2October 16, 2019 2:48 AM

aww Amy bringing up for the 10000th time she was friends with McCain pulling that centrist heart string

by Anonymousreply 3October 16, 2019 2:48 AM

John McCain was the Hamburglar.

by Anonymousreply 4October 16, 2019 2:49 AM

There was that Abscam thing, r4. But now I'm being Joe Biden OOOOLLLLLDDDDD.

by Anonymousreply 5October 16, 2019 2:50 AM

It's called "civility," darlings.

by Anonymousreply 6October 16, 2019 2:50 AM

Her career, R2?

by Anonymousreply 7October 16, 2019 2:50 AM

You can't see Deplorables? You're Fired!

by Anonymousreply 8October 16, 2019 2:50 AM

Bernie should respond to this question by talking about Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 9October 16, 2019 2:51 AM

Jimmy Durante vibes from this billionaire

by Anonymousreply 10October 16, 2019 2:51 AM

Warren has great skin but she also botoxes at least her forehead. You can see her forehead doesn't move and her eyebrows are pressed a bit lower than normal. When she makes an exasperated face you can really notice the eyebrows

by Anonymousreply 11October 16, 2019 2:51 AM

oh, bye

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by Anonymousreply 12October 16, 2019 2:52 AM

what are you on about Beto. Could everyone just break into People Who Need People if you have no actual answer?

by Anonymousreply 13October 16, 2019 2:52 AM

Beto is sexy

by Anonymousreply 14October 16, 2019 2:52 AM

But what products does Liz use?

by Anonymousreply 15October 16, 2019 2:52 AM

Moderates ruled the night.

by Anonymousreply 16October 16, 2019 2:52 AM

Beto is getting the 3rd longest airtime after Warren and Pete. Fuck yeah!

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by Anonymousreply 17October 16, 2019 2:52 AM

actually I renounce my comment, Beto has a great answer

by Anonymousreply 18October 16, 2019 2:52 AM

What the hell, Beto telling some story about an epic road trip he took?

by Anonymousreply 19October 16, 2019 2:53 AM

[quote]Beto would make an EXCELLENT Senator. Why in the hell didn’t he do that instead. What a pointless loss.

Because the Senate seat that's in play is John Cornyn's. He is more well-liked than Ted Cruz, who everybody hates, even Republicans.

If Beto couldn't win against Ted Cruz, the thinking is he will not have an easy time against Cornyn. And the Dems have recruited a strong candidate already, a female veteran. Not a good look for Beto to swoop in and edge her out.

by Anonymousreply 20October 16, 2019 2:53 AM

And I was that little George Bush

by Anonymousreply 21October 16, 2019 2:53 AM

Pete looking very Presidential.

by Anonymousreply 22October 16, 2019 2:53 AM

Tom Steyer is going to buy CNN so he can get more air time in the next debate.

by Anonymousreply 23October 16, 2019 2:53 AM

I bet Pete will talk about his close friendship with his former governor!

by Anonymousreply 24October 16, 2019 2:53 AM

Corey goes to Bible study classes?

by Anonymousreply 25October 16, 2019 2:53 AM

[quote]But what products does Liz use?

Bernie's cum.

by Anonymousreply 26October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Copied this question from bushgate with Ellen.

by Anonymousreply 27October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

How many times is Booker going to come out as a vegan?

by Anonymousreply 28October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Inhofe's Bible study - as STRAIGHT as it gets!

by Anonymousreply 29October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

"Candidates, if you were a Real Housewife, what would your tagline be?"

by Anonymousreply 30October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Corey's a Vegan.

by Anonymousreply 31October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

As fuck, R14. Would suck him dry.

by Anonymousreply 32October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Good closing from Booker though. Otherwise he wasn't great.

by Anonymousreply 33October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Lawrence O'Donnell is going to read CNN for filth again about some question and moderating choices

by Anonymousreply 34October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

[quote]Beto is getting the 3rd longest airtime after Warren and Pete. Fuck yeah!

Only because Pete hate fucked him.

by Anonymousreply 35October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Bible study w/Imhofe? I wonder if this is true.

by Anonymousreply 36October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

That's right Booker, just one openly gay man on the stage.

by Anonymousreply 37October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

I am very close friends with a heterosexual woman!

by Anonymousreply 38October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Why are these 1% ers like pock skin getting so much time?

by Anonymousreply 39October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

M Pence. Is that Mike or Mother?

by Anonymousreply 40October 16, 2019 2:54 AM

Kinda over this Booker's youth pastor schtick.

by Anonymousreply 41October 16, 2019 2:55 AM

Does Beto know that many gay men wasn't him badly?

by Anonymousreply 42October 16, 2019 2:55 AM

Yang's awesome. 👍

by Anonymousreply 43October 16, 2019 2:55 AM

God help Biden remember his web address.

by Anonymousreply 44October 16, 2019 2:55 AM

Booker be like I am your ghetto master. I'll fight for you.

by Anonymousreply 45October 16, 2019 2:56 AM

AI! AI! AI!

by Anonymousreply 46October 16, 2019 2:56 AM

Andrew is “friends” with a trucker he met once?

by Anonymousreply 47October 16, 2019 2:56 AM

Yang not answering the question, just babbling on.

by Anonymousreply 48October 16, 2019 2:56 AM

Tucker dude is so masc.

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by Anonymousreply 49October 16, 2019 2:56 AM

Post these guys wives/husbands. I’ll vote based on that.

by Anonymousreply 50October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

*trucker

by Anonymousreply 51October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

My GAWD, Tom Steyer looks like he's at least a hundred years old.

by Anonymousreply 52October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

AOC just endorsed Bernie, shocking!

by Anonymousreply 53October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

I don’t know what to think about Corey. Is he serious with all this Kumbaya stuff

by Anonymousreply 54October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

Yang has an imaginary friend named Fred.

by Anonymousreply 55October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

No one uses Bing! LOL True.

by Anonymousreply 56October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

[quote]Jimmy Durante vibes from this billionaire

I see it too!

by Anonymousreply 57October 16, 2019 2:57 AM

"Driving truck" is hard work.

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by Anonymousreply 58October 16, 2019 2:58 AM

What is she on about?

by Anonymousreply 59October 16, 2019 2:58 AM

Your most surprising friendship should be with yourself.

by Anonymousreply 60October 16, 2019 2:58 AM

E52 A lot different from how he looks on his commercials, isn’t it?

by Anonymousreply 61October 16, 2019 2:58 AM

[quote]I don’t know what to think about Corey. Is he serious with all this Kumbaya stuff

I think he's just basically dumb.

by Anonymousreply 62October 16, 2019 2:58 AM

something about Rand Paul and black people and Mom

by Anonymousreply 63October 16, 2019 2:58 AM

Kamala is a good fighter but she is not inspiring. She is like that pissed off neighbor who will help you fight to get your money back from Wallmart but not someone you really want to hang out with.

by Anonymousreply 64October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

What happened to Tulsi? Did Elizabeth throw a glass of water out of her and did she melt?

by Anonymousreply 65October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

Tom Steyer is only 62, he looks much better in his commercials.

by Anonymousreply 66October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

Jesus Christ on a crutch, Kams.

by Anonymousreply 67October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

R53, well that'll guarantee him another six or seven votes.

by Anonymousreply 68October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

Are Beto's and ripped and defined?

by Anonymousreply 69October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

Omfg!

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by Anonymousreply 70October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

Stop sounding FAKE Pete!

by Anonymousreply 71October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

*abs

by Anonymousreply 72October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

Kam will bring us all together, but first she needs to get herself some identity politics.

by Anonymousreply 73October 16, 2019 3:00 AM

R70, what's surprising about that?

by Anonymousreply 74October 16, 2019 3:00 AM

AOC's endorsement means one thing: Warren bombed.

by Anonymousreply 75October 16, 2019 3:00 AM

I know Pete. Seriously, nobody specific from that military that never ever cares about anything but getting the job done? Nobody, ya know, specific? Nobody who isn't out of central casting from some war movie?

by Anonymousreply 76October 16, 2019 3:01 AM

R62 yeah Rhodes Scholars are dumb...

by Anonymousreply 77October 16, 2019 3:01 AM

Another vote for John McCain as bff? Fuck off with that, Amy and Bernie.

by Anonymousreply 78October 16, 2019 3:01 AM

R71 has that Russian Not thing DOWN!

by Anonymousreply 79October 16, 2019 3:01 AM

[quote]AOC just endorsed Bernie, shocking!

Cause her endorsement was ever so helpful during the midterms.

by Anonymousreply 80October 16, 2019 3:01 AM

Right R66. He only looks 75 in his commercials.

by Anonymousreply 81October 16, 2019 3:01 AM

He did seem to be implying that the other soldiers knew he was gay at the time.

by Anonymousreply 82October 16, 2019 3:02 AM

Rev. Booker needs to can it.

by Anonymousreply 83October 16, 2019 3:02 AM

AOC played this like a pro.

She never left Bernie’s side.

by Anonymousreply 84October 16, 2019 3:02 AM

McCain is dead.

by Anonymousreply 85October 16, 2019 3:02 AM

Here comes Joe with a tale from the Coolidge administration

by Anonymousreply 86October 16, 2019 3:02 AM

[quote]AOC's endorsement means one thing: Warren bombed.

Another narrative problem for the DL fav.

by Anonymousreply 87October 16, 2019 3:02 AM

Booker is such a phony, I can't stand his BS.

by Anonymousreply 88October 16, 2019 3:03 AM

Warren's answer is pretty good.

by Anonymousreply 89October 16, 2019 3:03 AM

Bernie rises...

You were saying, bitches...

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by Anonymousreply 90October 16, 2019 3:03 AM

Liz uses Kemosabe Clay Mask and Hydrating PaleFace Tinted Moisturizer with SPF50.

by Anonymousreply 91October 16, 2019 3:03 AM

Zelensky!

by Anonymousreply 92October 16, 2019 3:03 AM

Will Joe tell the Corn Pop story again when answering this lame ass question?

by Anonymousreply 93October 16, 2019 3:03 AM

Bernie cult.

by Anonymousreply 94October 16, 2019 3:04 AM

so seriously, just six next time, mkay Dem Party: Warren, Bernie, Biden, Kamala, Pete, and yeah, she kind of earned it tonight, Amy. I'd like Yang too, only because he actually is outside the norm and is thinking seriously about the future economy and not just sleepwalking into some new 1950s fantasy economy.

by Anonymousreply 95October 16, 2019 3:04 AM

Pretty much everyone stuck the landing.

Well, there's still Biden...

by Anonymousreply 96October 16, 2019 3:04 AM

this was a stupid last question

by Anonymousreply 97October 16, 2019 3:04 AM

Liz Warren's 3 brothers are Republicans because they're Liz Warren's brothers.

by Anonymousreply 98October 16, 2019 3:04 AM

Bernie can rise too fast or he will get light headed and ....splat. Done.

by Anonymousreply 99October 16, 2019 3:04 AM

Warren, Biden, Pete, Yang next time please.

by Anonymousreply 100October 16, 2019 3:04 AM

ANOTHER vote for McCain? FUCK OFF

by Anonymousreply 101October 16, 2019 3:05 AM

McCain on his deathbed!

by Anonymousreply 102October 16, 2019 3:05 AM

REACH ACROSS THE AISLE!!! ONLY ME!!!!

by Anonymousreply 103October 16, 2019 3:05 AM

This debate won’t change anything. Nobody won. Everybody did ok.

by Anonymousreply 104October 16, 2019 3:05 AM

Biden loves his friend McConnell.

by Anonymousreply 105October 16, 2019 3:05 AM

Joe with the finger stab again.

by Anonymousreply 106October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Nice finish by Biden.

by Anonymousreply 107October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

He's shouting now for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 108October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Why's Joe all shouty?

by Anonymousreply 109October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Next I only want Bernie, Liz, Amy and Pete.

They cover the Democratic spectrum we need to get behind, from Social Democrat to Conservative Democrat, and all shades in between.

by Anonymousreply 110October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Did Tulsi get to say who her friend was? I missed it.

by Anonymousreply 111October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Joe woke up in the debate's last two seconds.

by Anonymousreply 112October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

why is Gabbard trending? Russian bots?

by Anonymousreply 113October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Megan McCain has been rushed to the emergency room, Apparently, she masturbated herself bloody after hearing all the references to her Lord on High, ,John McCain. She flicked her bean clear off!

by Anonymousreply 114October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

I was hoping they would all start singing The Golden Girls theme together and Anderson's career would be over.

by Anonymousreply 115October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

If nobody won then Warren won. Slow and steady rise to the top.

by Anonymousreply 116October 16, 2019 3:06 AM

Bernie is the Hillary of this election cycle. Needs to bow out.

by Anonymousreply 117October 16, 2019 3:07 AM

[quote]Everybody did ok.

I did not.

by Anonymousreply 118October 16, 2019 3:07 AM

Trey GOWDY, R!111

by Anonymousreply 119October 16, 2019 3:07 AM

R111 Tulsi talked about Aloha and some other stuff.

by Anonymousreply 120October 16, 2019 3:07 AM

Warren/Yang 2020 please!

by Anonymousreply 121October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

MSNBC says Mayor Pete had a stellar night.

by Anonymousreply 122October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

John McCain's daughter will be basking in the glory tomorrow, ugh.

by Anonymousreply 123October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

I blame Anderson for the "Miss America Finale Question."

It's like he know of DL obsession with Beto who had the most on-point answer, so he threw him a boner.

by Anonymousreply 124October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

Biden is clearly FUBAR.

by Anonymousreply 125October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

John King is a dreamy daddy. 😍

by Anonymousreply 126October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

Is she some relation to the late Senator r114? I've never been sure about that

by Anonymousreply 127October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

Warren most definitely did not win tonight. Tonight was about Pete and Amy.

by Anonymousreply 128October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

I predict little to no difference in polling. At most, maybe Bernie and Liz will be neck and neck again.

by Anonymousreply 129October 16, 2019 3:08 AM

[quote] Liz uses Kemosabe Clay Mask and Hydrating PaleFace Tinted Moisturizer with SPF50

Source?

by Anonymousreply 130October 16, 2019 3:10 AM

Why would anyone want their pic taken with Warren?

by Anonymousreply 131October 16, 2019 3:10 AM

Did Trump live tweet it?

by Anonymousreply 132October 16, 2019 3:10 AM

“Bernie, Liz, Amy and Pete”

I like this.

by Anonymousreply 133October 16, 2019 3:10 AM

Oh I see the joke now

by Anonymousreply 134October 16, 2019 3:10 AM

Warren and Bernie are going to need to come up with answers on how to pay for their freebies by the next debate. That will be the next attack point by more than just Biden and Pete.

by Anonymousreply 135October 16, 2019 3:11 AM

Warren botoxes her forehead. It's obvious but it's well done. She doesn't look crazy or plastic

by Anonymousreply 136October 16, 2019 3:11 AM

The biggest loser was Biden.

Biggest winner was Bernie. He looks healthy and and strong.

by Anonymousreply 137October 16, 2019 3:11 AM

Amy's going from 2% to 10% overnight.

by Anonymousreply 138October 16, 2019 3:11 AM

Oh Pete, you been out of the closet for only four years! Get over yourself as some gay ambassador.

by Anonymousreply 139October 16, 2019 3:12 AM

Wow, CNN naming Pete the winner!

by Anonymousreply 140October 16, 2019 3:12 AM

Pete is now second in the race.

by Anonymousreply 141October 16, 2019 3:12 AM

CNN likes Pete, it's just the liberals on Twitter that hate seeing him fail their purity tests.

by Anonymousreply 142October 16, 2019 3:12 AM

Tom Steyer should give the money he will spend on a losing campaign to Alex and friends at St. Jude. It's Christmas commercial time again.

by Anonymousreply 143October 16, 2019 3:12 AM

CNN thinks Pete stole the show.

by Anonymousreply 144October 16, 2019 3:12 AM

Pete did well. He's still got that solid C.

by Anonymousreply 145October 16, 2019 3:13 AM

R136 It’s not just the smooth forehead, her skin is smooth and glowy all over. I want to know what she uses.

by Anonymousreply 146October 16, 2019 3:13 AM

Fuck, I think I'm in love with Amy Klobuchar when she's like this.

by Anonymousreply 147October 16, 2019 3:13 AM

Yes, the 78 year old guy who just had a heart attack is healthy and strong. You BernieBros are living in Bizzaro world.

by Anonymousreply 148October 16, 2019 3:13 AM

Pete will go up in polls. Warren down. Harris down a bit The rest stay the the same.

by Anonymousreply 149October 16, 2019 3:14 AM

Axelrod thinks Pete proved he was an alpha tonight.

by Anonymousreply 150October 16, 2019 3:14 AM

Biden is rubbing Pete's shoulders!

by Anonymousreply 151October 16, 2019 3:14 AM

Biden still in the lead?

by Anonymousreply 152October 16, 2019 3:14 AM

Pete is the super star of the night. A-gay money is sending him to the White House!

by Anonymousreply 153October 16, 2019 3:15 AM

CNN scoop: Not only AOC but Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib are all endorsing Bernie.

Bye, Bernie.

by Anonymousreply 154October 16, 2019 3:15 AM

I disagree that the ratings will be low. I bet they come in high actually

by Anonymousreply 155October 16, 2019 3:16 AM

r151 He wants some of that alpha magic. 😏

by Anonymousreply 156October 16, 2019 3:16 AM

predict no big change in polls. Pete maybe up a little. Amy maybe up a little. Top three still very much dominant. Not the PollTroll, but I'm not sure he makes predictions anyway.

by Anonymousreply 157October 16, 2019 3:16 AM

Pete did good tonight. Watch his polls rise. I wouldn't place much importance on twitter. That's just all of the supporters of other candidates coming to bash him because he kicked ass.

by Anonymousreply 158October 16, 2019 3:16 AM

I hope I look as good as Liz when I'm her age and even more than her looks I hope I have her energy. She is a powerhouse. She is someone I'd love to have as an aunt but I'd love her even more as my president. I would be so proud to call her Madame President. I have never once put the word President together with Cheeto. He is not my president. He isn't anyone's. He is an illegitimate president. We all know Hillary was the winner and while I voted for her I could not stand Hillary but she still was the real winner. I'm not even talking about the 3 million more popular votes but the cheating Russia did to make her lose the EC. And the Facebook and Twitter cheating Russia did to make those few who really voted for Cheeto vote for him.

by Anonymousreply 159October 16, 2019 3:16 AM

Ew. Not a Tlaib fan. Bad endorsement.

by Anonymousreply 160October 16, 2019 3:16 AM

r157 Agreed. Debates don't matter that much.

by Anonymousreply 161October 16, 2019 3:17 AM

sorry but I don't want Sanders to be the nom especially after a heart attack

by Anonymousreply 162October 16, 2019 3:17 AM

Jake Tapper: “Corey Booker seemed upset that there were disagreements on the stage tonight.” LOL

by Anonymousreply 163October 16, 2019 3:18 AM

Moderates and center-left candidates have had fucking SUFFICIENT.

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by Anonymousreply 164October 16, 2019 3:18 AM

Also, check out my website because I'll never make it to a debate stage again.

by Anonymousreply 165October 16, 2019 3:18 AM

Good night for Amy and she knows it. Maybe she’ll be VP.

by Anonymousreply 166October 16, 2019 3:18 AM

Miss Hawaii won theMiss Universe pageant with her final speech.

by Anonymousreply 167October 16, 2019 3:20 AM

Klobuchar wants to fuck Van Jones.

by Anonymousreply 168October 16, 2019 3:20 AM

I believe Amy is wearing Grape.

by Anonymousreply 169October 16, 2019 3:20 AM

Pete is at 14% in Iowa according to MSNBC. Impressive.

by Anonymousreply 170October 16, 2019 3:20 AM

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib AND Ilhan Omar to endorse Bernie Sanders CNN has just reported!

by Anonymousreply 171October 16, 2019 3:20 AM

[quote]Fuck, I think I'm in love with Amy Klobuchar when she's like this.

Same. Plus, I can visualize her delivering a karate kick to Trump's groin when he starts sniffing heavy and stalking her around the debate stage.

by Anonymousreply 172October 16, 2019 3:20 AM

Is Pete's private jet ready for the flight to LA?

by Anonymousreply 173October 16, 2019 3:20 AM

Can Buttigieg be the alpha dog? What a fucking homophobic statement from the talking heads. He served in the military, he is literally trained to kill. None of you have done anything close to that. Neither has Trump by the way. But you are not sure about his alpha quality? Really? It Trump live Tweeting in your ear piece?

by Anonymousreply 174October 16, 2019 3:21 AM

[quote] Not a Tlaib fan. Bad endorsement.

That’s why I said Bye, Bernie. This will not win over voters.

by Anonymousreply 175October 16, 2019 3:21 AM

That's GREAT news R171! He'll be toast in a month...

by Anonymousreply 176October 16, 2019 3:21 AM

Omar? Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 177October 16, 2019 3:21 AM

[quote]She is someone I'd love to have as an aunt but I'd love her even more as my president. I would be so proud to call her Madame President.

MARY!!!

by Anonymousreply 178October 16, 2019 3:21 AM

R163 translation: “Miss Booker’s feathers were rustled as she flew out of there in a flaming rage.”

by Anonymousreply 179October 16, 2019 3:22 AM

Time to cut Tulsi, Steyer, Castro, Yang, Booker and Harris.

I actually like Harris but not necessarily for president. I’d like to see her on tv maybe judge Judy or some kind of talk show.

by Anonymousreply 180October 16, 2019 3:22 AM

[quote]Klobuchar wants to fuck Van Jones.

Who doesn't?

by Anonymousreply 181October 16, 2019 3:22 AM

[QUOTE] Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib AND Ilhan Omar to endorse Bernie Sanders CNN has just reported!

What about Pressley? She might be endorsing Liz.

by Anonymousreply 182October 16, 2019 3:22 AM

Cuomo says "Pete Buttigieg is sitting with us next" and Amy goes "Oh, good!"

Bitches, these two are UNSTOPPABLE together.

by Anonymousreply 183October 16, 2019 3:23 AM

Sorry Amy, gotta go. We’re gonna talk to Pete now.

by Anonymousreply 184October 16, 2019 3:23 AM

[quote] Omar? Ugh.

SAME

by Anonymousreply 185October 16, 2019 3:23 AM

Exactly R181. She was staring at his juicy lips throughout their interchange.

by Anonymousreply 186October 16, 2019 3:23 AM

[quote]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib AND Ilhan Omar to endorse Bernie Sanders CNN has just reported!

squad goalz

by Anonymousreply 187October 16, 2019 3:24 AM

Congress needs its progressive bomb throwers. Glad they are there. God knows there are more than enough wingnuts screeching from stage right. But I honestly don't give a damn who they endorse for president.

by Anonymousreply 188October 16, 2019 3:25 AM

Some of you really think that we’re not at the brink of a true revolution, even as we sit at the precipice facing impending climate change, record levels of poverty and violence - for the 99%, of course - and dwindling nutritional and life-sustaining resources.

😂 Ok.

by Anonymousreply 189October 16, 2019 3:25 AM

Pete is was on fire tonight, so sharp and quick on his feet. We need that kind of youthful energy and intelect in the White house, not an 80 old dreamer with heart conditions. And I am saying that as an elder gay.

by Anonymousreply 190October 16, 2019 3:25 AM

Headline of the night to me was Pete’s inner bitch came out!

by Anonymousreply 191October 16, 2019 3:25 AM

Thanks for the company, DL. I love watching live events with you.

by Anonymousreply 192October 16, 2019 3:25 AM

DId anyone see Yang's TWIN BODYGUARDS in the background while he was being interviewed on MSNBC?

by Anonymousreply 193October 16, 2019 3:28 AM

A white male in Arizona isn't going to vote for Pete.

by Anonymousreply 194October 16, 2019 3:28 AM

[quote] Can Buttigieg be the alpha dog? What a fucking homophobic statement from the talking heads. He served in the military, he is literally trained to kill. None of you have done anything close to that. Neither has Trump by the way. But you are not sure about his alpha quality? Really? It Trump live Tweeting in your ear piece?

Trained to kill? He was an intelligence officer, not in combat. He just comes off as a gay guy who is touchy that someone dare question his masculinity and frankly many people will be turned off by that.

by Anonymousreply 195October 16, 2019 3:28 AM

R193, screenshot please

by Anonymousreply 196October 16, 2019 3:29 AM

“I don’t need lessons from YOU on courage.” Still savoring that.

by Anonymousreply 197October 16, 2019 3:29 AM

Pete is so fucking quick and sharp, I can't take it!

Chasten will be so happy when they get down the next time.

by Anonymousreply 198October 16, 2019 3:29 AM

Uh, it's over now R196. Maybe the interview will show up on MSNBC.com.

by Anonymousreply 199October 16, 2019 3:30 AM

r192 Yay, me too! 😘

by Anonymousreply 200October 16, 2019 3:30 AM

I need lessons from Beto in the art of bromance.

by Anonymousreply 201October 16, 2019 3:30 AM

R184 lmao they did kind of dismiss her. It was like "OK Amy our obligatory time with you is up. Time for a higher polling candidate now"

by Anonymousreply 202October 16, 2019 3:30 AM

[QUOTE] Trained to kill? He was an intelligence officer, not in combat.

He was trained to kill in basic training, you blithering nincompoop. They don’t get any different training just because their focus is in Intelligence. Pete is ready to kill any man with his bare hands if ordered.

by Anonymousreply 203October 16, 2019 3:31 AM

so Pete is spinning his attacks on Warren as "laying out the differences between our ideas"

by Anonymousreply 204October 16, 2019 3:31 AM

R191 But then his ending bit sounded too careful... and in that care, sounded fake. And he has made absolutely no progress with voters of color. He's a work in progress... he needs to be looser, more assertive in easier sound bites. He needs to learn to make the sound bites seem like he just thought of them. He needs to let the Alpha out, but stay "sweet"... again, Dem turnout will beat Trump. Black folk won't turn out for him. I'd like to propose a Pete-MIchele ticket.

by Anonymousreply 205October 16, 2019 3:31 AM

r155 Not a chance! I'm a huge political junkie and even I was in and out. Most of the people I watched the first three debates with chose to skip this one. The ratings will be lower, and I expect MUCH lower, than the others.

by Anonymousreply 206October 16, 2019 3:31 AM

R193, the blond in the center is Zach, his campaign manager.

by Anonymousreply 207October 16, 2019 3:31 AM

[quote]lmao they did kind of dismiss her. It was like "OK Amy our obligatory time with you is up. Time for a higher polling candidate now"

Tell me about it

by Anonymousreply 208October 16, 2019 3:32 AM

I wanna hear more about Beto’s epic road trip with his buddy in the Chevy.

by Anonymousreply 209October 16, 2019 3:32 AM

Calm yourself, R70.

by Anonymousreply 210October 16, 2019 3:32 AM

Who is this cunty blonde CNN bitch channeling Pete's bitchiness?

by Anonymousreply 211October 16, 2019 3:32 AM

“Amy's going from 2% to 10% overnight.“

U R funny

by Anonymousreply 212October 16, 2019 3:33 AM

she's just applying for fag hag, r211

by Anonymousreply 213October 16, 2019 3:33 AM

R207, thanks. He sure looked like a 'Zach'.

After this is over he should do porn.

by Anonymousreply 214October 16, 2019 3:34 AM

Pete's now being energetic, positive Pete on CNN.

Not sure this post Trump theme is much of a mover for him though.

by Anonymousreply 215October 16, 2019 3:34 AM

[quote] OK Amy our obligatory time with you is up. Time for a higher polling candidate now"

Not by much though.

by Anonymousreply 216October 16, 2019 3:34 AM

Buttigieg right now sandwiched between fellow gay David Chalian and hot Chris Cuomo

by Anonymousreply 217October 16, 2019 3:34 AM

Which gay do we hate more? Anderson Cooper or Mayor Pete?

by Anonymousreply 218October 16, 2019 3:35 AM

[quote] Pete is ready to kill any man with his bare hands if ordered.

And sadly that's what I'm afraid of with him. He has something to prove and he's going to use the American people to prove his manhood.

by Anonymousreply 219October 16, 2019 3:35 AM

[quote]A white male in Arizona isn't going to vote for Pete.

They will before they vote for a woman!

by Anonymousreply 220October 16, 2019 3:36 AM

R216 Pete in Iowa - 14% (Warren at the top, w/22%) Amy at 3%

by Anonymousreply 221October 16, 2019 3:36 AM

If anyone needs a B-12 shot its Koblacher. I want to like her but she's a borderline sleepwalker.

by Anonymousreply 222October 16, 2019 3:36 AM

Look at all the straight white men around Yang. There's a reason they like him.

by Anonymousreply 223October 16, 2019 3:36 AM

Whatever the ratings were, there were 2.5 fun threads on DL Thanks guys!

by Anonymousreply 224October 16, 2019 3:37 AM

R220. They will just vote for trump.

by Anonymousreply 225October 16, 2019 3:37 AM

Yang's campaign manager...

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by Anonymousreply 226October 16, 2019 3:37 AM

Pete is headed to 25% by next week. He's#2.

by Anonymousreply 227October 16, 2019 3:37 AM

When did they replace Rachel with Nicole Wallace on the MSNBC Post-whatever-event coverage?

by Anonymousreply 228October 16, 2019 3:37 AM

Haha. That was funny r227.

by Anonymousreply 229October 16, 2019 3:38 AM

lol Buttigieg not taking the bait when Dana asked what was behind his interactions with O'Rourke tonight.

by Anonymousreply 230October 16, 2019 3:38 AM

Warren/Pete 2020

by Anonymousreply 231October 16, 2019 3:39 AM

Pete seems like he mainlined a Red Bull before this interview on CNN. Talking a mile a minute.

by Anonymousreply 232October 16, 2019 3:39 AM

[QUOTE] And sadly that's what I'm afraid of with him. He has something to prove and he's going to use the American people to prove his manhood.

BALDERDASH! No President would understand the severity of using lethal force more than a man who’s worn the uniform. Pete would be a careful and thoughtful commander-in-chief.

by Anonymousreply 233October 16, 2019 3:39 AM

[quote]Pete is headed to 25% by next week. He's#2.

Yup, 25% chance to be my running mate

by Anonymousreply 234October 16, 2019 3:39 AM

R230, please elaborate.

by Anonymousreply 235October 16, 2019 3:39 AM

—Miss Warren, Doctor, Professor, Senator, Nominee, Also Ran.

by Anonymousreply 236October 16, 2019 3:40 AM

R227, I hope so but I'm not sure a CNN debate can have that much of an impact.

by Anonymousreply 237October 16, 2019 3:41 AM

R111 Tulsi’s friend is Blofeld.

by Anonymousreply 238October 16, 2019 3:41 AM

[quote]he needs to be looser

We keep working on it

by Anonymousreply 239October 16, 2019 3:42 AM

Biden did just fine, no major screw-ups and he correctly, if gently, asked Sanders and Warren how they are going to pay for all the freebies. He needs to be more direct about it.

That last question was a waste of time and they all had a canned response, it was so obvious.

They need to start cutting off their microphones when their time is up, its very rude and non-presidential to keep rambling on - Tulsi, Pete, and Kamal Toe.

by Anonymousreply 240October 16, 2019 3:42 AM

[quote] BALDERDASH! No President would understand the severity of using lethal force more than a man who’s worn the uniform. Pete would be a careful and thoughtful commander-in-chief.

Pete came out of the closet only four years ago. He needs to get over himself. People are more tired of his performative masculinity than you think. And again, he was not in combat, so he doesn't understand anything. Just another thing to pad his resume.

by Anonymousreply 241October 16, 2019 3:42 AM

R235 She said it looked like it felt good for Pete to tell Beto he didn’t need lessons from HIM on courage. Pete just said no, I was just making a point.

by Anonymousreply 242October 16, 2019 3:42 AM

That little girl Kamala was my friend

by Anonymousreply 243October 16, 2019 3:43 AM

Corey just gave big hanging Jake Tapper a long look up and down.

You in danger - of self outing, gurl...

by Anonymousreply 244October 16, 2019 3:43 AM

They all did fine. Pete and Amy a little better. So I think Elizabeth Warren keeps on her steady rise to the nomination.

by Anonymousreply 245October 16, 2019 3:44 AM

And Bernie looked great. Should quell unpleasant rumors after his heart attack.

by Anonymousreply 246October 16, 2019 3:45 AM

R241 Pete spent his time in Afghanistan driving officers around the Green Zone in Kabul. He didn’t see any combat.

by Anonymousreply 247October 16, 2019 3:46 AM

On CNN they are barely talking about Warren. Not a good night.

by Anonymousreply 248October 16, 2019 3:46 AM

Pete and Chasten at the Ramada tonight...

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by Anonymousreply 249October 16, 2019 3:46 AM

The Green Zone is in Iraq.

by Anonymousreply 250October 16, 2019 3:47 AM

That is one NICE Ramada

by Anonymousreply 251October 16, 2019 3:48 AM

r247 Yeah, driving around with road bombs littered all over. And even that is more than any other candidate has done on that stage. Please don't go down that road unless you yourself have served.

by Anonymousreply 252October 16, 2019 3:48 AM

Im sick of Beto!

by Anonymousreply 253October 16, 2019 3:48 AM

I think the loser of the night might be Kamala, because she just didn't manage to stand out enough.

Oh, and Steyer of course.

by Anonymousreply 254October 16, 2019 3:50 AM

Tulsi was channeling sweaty, coked-out Whitney Houston tonight.

by Anonymousreply 255October 16, 2019 3:50 AM

Yeah, Pete has no problem with masculinity. I'm not sure he gets how out of whack this economy has become, especially when it comes to rich and poor, though.

by Anonymousreply 256October 16, 2019 3:50 AM

[quote]Pete and Chasten at the Ramada tonight

The Ramada?!?! How dare you, sir.

by Anonymousreply 257October 16, 2019 3:51 AM

I don't know how anyone would want a president who eats salad with a comb.

by Anonymousreply 258October 16, 2019 3:51 AM

Mayor Pete needs to learn the difference between being mean and being tough. He came across as bitchy and mean and he got put in his place both times. Of course CNN loved him. He is an establishment stooge.

by Anonymousreply 259October 16, 2019 3:53 AM

R258 at this point I'll take a President who actually eats salad or anything healthy

we know agent orange fat ass doesn't

by Anonymousreply 260October 16, 2019 3:53 AM

r256 He's the poorest candidate on that stage. Trust me, he knows.

by Anonymousreply 261October 16, 2019 3:54 AM

Kamala was super petty trying to come for Warren for not calling on Twitter to ban Trump. The senate isn’t responsible for enforcing Twitter’s terms of service, ya stunned cunt.

She just looked like an enraged, ethnic schoolmarm.

by Anonymousreply 262October 16, 2019 3:55 AM

Bernie wins

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by Anonymousreply 263October 16, 2019 3:56 AM

[quote] Yeah, driving around with road bombs littered all over. And even that is more than any other candidate has done on that stage. Please don't go down that road unless you yourself have served.

And all that time he was in his closet benefiting from his white male privilege, while every woman and POC has to live with discrimination. He came out in 2015! Of course Pete is not humble at all. It's just an act. He just wants to prove his manhood as much as possible. He's a nasty boy.

by Anonymousreply 264October 16, 2019 3:57 AM

I understand Harris' point about Trump and twitter.

Over the last 3 years a handful of right wing jobs have actually acted out based on shit they've read from him. From the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter to the El Paso shooter to the guy in Florida who sent those bombs, Trump inspired them with lies, propaganda and hate. Trump incites violence

by Anonymousreply 265October 16, 2019 3:58 AM

Literal violence!

by Anonymousreply 266October 16, 2019 3:58 AM

R262 "He's a nasty boy." Cogent, incisive political analysis. I weep for my country.

by Anonymousreply 267October 16, 2019 3:59 AM

[quote]I'm not sure he gets how out of whack this economy has become, especially when it comes to rich and poor, though

You sound very concerned about this.

by Anonymousreply 268October 16, 2019 4:04 AM

Trigglypuff at R264

by Anonymousreply 269October 16, 2019 4:05 AM

Try again, r266. That's what you Pete stans aren't prepared for. You think everyone annoyed with him is some SJW weirdo with blue hair. Far from it. The boy reeks of privilege, no matter how much he talks about the midwest or whatever crap he thinks Americans will eat up. And what Pete doesn't know in his four brief years out of the closet is that America regards him as a weirdo as well, no matter how much he embraces patriarchal institutions like the military and the church.

by Anonymousreply 270October 16, 2019 4:07 AM

I'm a real boy, Daddy! I am!

by Anonymousreply 271October 16, 2019 4:08 AM

LOL

Rosario strategically placed so the camera sees her when MSNBC interviewa Cory.

by Anonymousreply 272October 16, 2019 4:10 AM

R270 Let me put this in terms you’ll understand:

Go 👏🏾 the 👏🏾 fuck 👏🏾 back 👏🏾 to 👏🏾 lipstickalley 👏🏾

by Anonymousreply 273October 16, 2019 4:10 AM

[quote]And what Pete doesn't know in his four brief years out of the closet is that America regards him as a weirdo as well

Why is America donating so much $$$ to his weird campaign?

by Anonymousreply 274October 16, 2019 4:12 AM

OMG, she actually crashed the interview! How fucking pathetic of Booker.

Booker! You're gay. Own up to it!

by Anonymousreply 275October 16, 2019 4:12 AM

That was horrifically awkward. I actually can't believe it just happened.

by Anonymousreply 276October 16, 2019 4:12 AM

r272, who is Rosario?

by Anonymousreply 277October 16, 2019 4:13 AM

I'm expecting Rosario to get pregnant soon

by Anonymousreply 278October 16, 2019 4:13 AM

OMG! Somebody just out him already and get it over with.

by Anonymousreply 279October 16, 2019 4:14 AM

They're donating money to him because they're stupid brainwashed SJWs. Or fellow, wealthy gays. People with more money than sense.

by Anonymousreply 280October 16, 2019 4:14 AM

R274. You mean billionaires giving him money. It is not the same as everyday Americans.

by Anonymousreply 281October 16, 2019 4:15 AM

DL was the winner of the night. This is thread was on and poppin tonight.

by Anonymousreply 282October 16, 2019 4:16 AM

WHO THE FUCK IS ROSARIO?!?!?

by Anonymousreply 283October 16, 2019 4:16 AM

r281 No one is giving him - or any other candidate (aside from maybe Steyer who is self-funding) - more than $2.800, which is the maximum allowed donation set by the DNC. Fuck off to Breitbart with those talking points.

by Anonymousreply 284October 16, 2019 4:17 AM

There are poor people donating money to Pete Buttigieg because they're suckers and Pete is having a hearty laugh at their expense. He HATES them and would rather hang out with the rich.

by Anonymousreply 285October 16, 2019 4:17 AM

Trump will probably win. But people are disgusted by this behavior. White suburban women are appalled by this shit. This isn't normal. 2020 won't be a normal yr. It won't be a pocketbook yr

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by Anonymousreply 286October 16, 2019 4:17 AM

WTF with Rosario? That wasn't too obvious.

by Anonymousreply 287October 16, 2019 4:18 AM

Bookers girlfriend, Rosario Dawson, dude, keep up.

by Anonymousreply 288October 16, 2019 4:18 AM

Marguerite’s replacement, Rose R283.

by Anonymousreply 289October 16, 2019 4:18 AM

R238, Actress Rosario Dawson. Corey's beard.

by Anonymousreply 290October 16, 2019 4:18 AM

I just heard on my local news that Beto has already qualified for the next debate.

by Anonymousreply 291October 16, 2019 4:19 AM

r281 I am a retired school administrator, on a fixed income. I am a Democratic Socialists of America member (since the old Cornell West days - not a Johnny-come-lately socialist). I gave lots of $$ to Bernie in 2016. I've contributed to Warren and Pete this time. Just donated $ again to Pete tonight. 2019 is not your grandmother's Public Sphere, old analysis don't work on who is supported by whom. Time to turn the page.

by Anonymousreply 292October 16, 2019 4:21 AM

I hope Tulsi doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 293October 16, 2019 4:22 AM

Between this and Beto saying Gracias to Chris Hayes as he was saying goodbye. lol I fucking love this primary cycle and fuck you to those that wanted Beto gone. He has qualified for November.

My adorable Spanglish crazy hottie is moving through. <3

by Anonymousreply 294October 16, 2019 4:23 AM

R284. I don't read right wing stories neither do I visit those sites idiot. If you want to throw your money away then that is your call. I think trump might win again even though I hate to state it.

by Anonymousreply 295October 16, 2019 4:25 AM

I’m horrified to even believe this privately, but I can’t imagine a scenario in which Trump loses reelection. Biden was the surest bet, but they will successfully Benghazi him to the point where “Biden” ≈ “corruption”. Impeachment won’t stick. He could legit have an anal sextape with Stormy Daniels go public and still not lose the support of the religious right, least of all Lindsay “when did you eat corn” Graham.

by Anonymousreply 296October 16, 2019 4:26 AM

[quote]—Feel the Bern, bitch.

I think Bernie felt the heart burn the most.

by Anonymousreply 297October 16, 2019 4:26 AM

“Dude gotta go!”

That’s a quote of what Kamala said on the debate stage tonight.

“Dude gotta go!”

Sheesh 😒

by Anonymousreply 298October 16, 2019 4:26 AM

Heart attack Bernie?!

by Anonymousreply 299October 16, 2019 4:27 AM

If anyone but Bernie is the nominee, Trump will almost assuredly win. He is the only one tough enough and experienced enough to crush him.

by Anonymousreply 300October 16, 2019 4:28 AM

CNN panel GRILLING Warren right now about her health care plan

They raise the difference between taxes and costs and she won't budge but not really clarifying her answer. This is going to be a sticking point for her as more of the public catches on

by Anonymousreply 301October 16, 2019 4:28 AM

Cory and Rosario's sizzling p.r. affair reminds me of celebrity couple Tab Hunter and Connie Stevens on Tattletales.

by Anonymousreply 302October 16, 2019 4:30 AM

[quote}There are poor people donating money to Pete Buttigieg because they're suckers and Pete is having a hearty laugh at their expense. He HATES them and would rather hang out with the rich.

Go away Boris. You have no power here.

by Anonymousreply 303October 16, 2019 4:30 AM

At this point, Marianne Williamson has a better shot at becoming president than Bernie. It’s a tossup that he even lives until Election Day.

by Anonymousreply 304October 16, 2019 4:32 AM

She’s lying about tax cuts on Middle class

by Anonymousreply 305October 16, 2019 4:32 AM

Democrats wanna win Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania? Then Joe Biden is the choice.

by Anonymousreply 306October 16, 2019 4:33 AM

Warren on MSNBC now let's see how she handles Hayes

by Anonymousreply 307October 16, 2019 4:37 AM

I hope tonight made Bernie go away for good.

by Anonymousreply 308October 16, 2019 4:42 AM

Keep dreaming, r308. He's stronger and more of a fighter than that kid on stage young enough to be his grandson.

by Anonymousreply 309October 16, 2019 4:43 AM

Bernie is a piece of shit. It won't help us Democrats resolve the issue of Donald Trump. To destroy Trump we must first turn him into what he hates the most. Namely, competent state figures.

by Anonymousreply 310October 16, 2019 4:48 AM

Nicole Wallace just asked Warren again and she keeps dodging before going to her general stance of she wants everyone to have coverage then she brings up examples of people who have conditions that weren't covered and how the insurance companies are making big profit.

This could get her through the primary but I'm not sure how it will play in the general. I will vote for whoever the Dem nom is but I'm scared the moderates will be turned off by her healthcare and taxes vs. costs stance. The repubs are sooooo good at vilifying Democrats and scaring the public with hyperbolic messaging

by Anonymousreply 311October 16, 2019 4:49 AM

Could you have imagined ten years ago an assertive homo on the primary debate stage, being taken seriously? Man, I'd get such a kick out of that thought back when all those nasty state constitutional amendments were getting passed and I was depressed out of my mind.

by Anonymousreply 312October 16, 2019 4:51 AM

Biden/Whitmer is the path for Democrats to follow for success. If not Trump will probably nominate two other Supremes to the bench.

by Anonymousreply 313October 16, 2019 4:52 AM

Chris Hayes apparently (FINALLY) asked Warren about rolling her war chest from the Senate campaign that included big money donors into her presidential war chest. And of course she pivoted, shamelessly.

by Anonymousreply 314October 16, 2019 4:56 AM

Jeremy Diamond of CNN agrees with us:

[quote] Challenging Warren to support blocking Trump’s twitter account is the thing Harris wants to make her big stand of the night on?

by Anonymousreply 315October 16, 2019 5:15 AM

“Klobuchar wants to fuck Van Jones.

R181 - “Who doesn't?”

Plenty. I find him phony, smarmy, and waaaay too in love with himself. Lips and all.

by Anonymousreply 316October 16, 2019 5:21 AM

Bernie is winning this and will be endorsed by Warren soon after.

Biden is becoming more and more obsolete.

Pete and Amy are Conservative Democratics’ only hope.

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by Anonymousreply 317October 16, 2019 5:26 AM

The Bernie cult doesn't care about numbers.

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by Anonymousreply 318October 16, 2019 5:29 AM

will Bernie freaks actually vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is this time? He's not winning the primary

by Anonymousreply 319October 16, 2019 5:31 AM

Amy just wouldn't leave her message track for one goddamned answer. Most of the candidates wouldn't, but she was by far the worst. "Yes, climate change is a problem and as president I will work to bring jobs back to Ohio and I'm the only candidate who can win the Midwest." STFU and answer the goddamned question already.

I also hate her face.

I think the only candidate who gave genuine answers to every question asked was Yang. Booker somewhat, and Pete a bit too.

The final friendship question was the worst for this. Castro didn't even answer the question, instead giving a precanned response about something else.

by Anonymousreply 320October 16, 2019 5:32 AM

[quote]A white male in Arizona isn't going to vote for Pete.

Ooh, shocker, Republican won't vote for a Democrat!

[quote]Democrats wanna win Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania? Then Joe Biden is the choice.

Nice try, Boris. The Democrats will win all of those easily. We all know the Russians aren't going to fuck with the same states as last time. Watch the New England states and the Southwest this time. Also, Minnesota.

by Anonymousreply 321October 16, 2019 5:54 AM

R321, you're a moron.

by Anonymousreply 322October 16, 2019 5:57 AM

Cute Zach #yanggang

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by Anonymousreply 323October 16, 2019 6:00 AM

R322, you obviously don't know politics at all. They'll be fucking with Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Minnesota, and a handful of the tiny New England states this time. They'll also be busy propping up Florida, Georgia, and Texas this time around. I think they'll leave Virginia alone but we'll see. Just watch.

by Anonymousreply 324October 16, 2019 6:04 AM

R324 is an infant.

by Anonymousreply 325October 16, 2019 6:07 AM

R296, Trump won't even be the candidate. His dementia will have progressed too far by next summer.

Why else do you think Pence has become more prominent now than in the previous 34 months?

by Anonymousreply 326October 16, 2019 6:15 AM

Andrew and Pete won tonight. Beto is incredibly sexy

by Anonymousreply 327October 16, 2019 6:20 AM

R325, go ahead and counter, idiot. Like I said, just watch. Do try to keep up and maybe you could even write responses that contain more than four words...if you try really hard.

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by Anonymousreply 328October 16, 2019 6:29 AM

Triggered.

by Anonymousreply 329October 16, 2019 6:31 AM

So, can only manage the one word then...

by Anonymousreply 330October 16, 2019 6:54 AM

R317, I guess some of you loons are still out there. Sanders will be toast -- perhaps literally -- by January.

by Anonymousreply 331October 16, 2019 6:57 AM

He does. But the tax the rich diatribe has never worked in any previous general election from the point of view of the Democrats. At least Pete is using different language to try to capture the middle because we cannot rely on the black vote.

by Anonymousreply 332October 16, 2019 8:08 AM

Didn't see the debate but the consensus on the News sites are that Warren tanked.

Her unhinged supporters must in meltdown mode.

by Anonymousreply 333October 16, 2019 8:20 AM

R270 There’s no privilege in South Bend.

by Anonymousreply 334October 16, 2019 8:25 AM

Am I the only one who thought Bernie looked more elderly? He’s been through a lot in the last month.

by Anonymousreply 335October 16, 2019 10:39 AM

[quote]I think they'll leave Virginia alone but we'll see. Just watch.

They'll leave Virginia alone because this time next month, Virginia will be a blue state. Democrats control all of the statewide offices, the majority of the House delegation, and due to new maps that aren't gerrymandered, will be getting control of both houses of the legislature. They'll be able to have actual election security.

by Anonymousreply 336October 16, 2019 10:41 AM

Cory Booker is rushing to the cameras this morning, having only taken time out to DETROY that heterosexual pussy.

by Anonymousreply 337October 16, 2019 11:06 AM

Kinda pissed that Booker has already made the November debate. I've seen everything I needed from him and I'm not feeling it. Trotting out Dawson was the last straw. Wish he'd switch places with Amy.

by Anonymousreply 338October 16, 2019 11:17 AM

r333 They sure are, and the Warren gays on Twitter are the worst of them all, shocked that someone would come after her. That's what happens when the Twitter bubble decides (yet again) that this is supposed to be a coronation, and is confronted with the cold hard reality that they don't actually decide elections.

Oh, and of course it's all Pete's fault. No one cares that Amy did way more damage to her during the debate itself.

by Anonymousreply 339October 16, 2019 11:23 AM

You can help Amy qualify. Donate to her.

by Anonymousreply 340October 16, 2019 11:23 AM

As a straight person, I love to see gays turn on eachother. Well you are making our work easier.

by Anonymousreply 341October 16, 2019 11:50 AM

I'm through with debates. I no longer view them as a source of information. They're just all about strategy and who can best who. This is spurred on by the media that is looking for those action moments of which they can loop for ratings. 12 minutes isn't enough time to get to know a candidate and their positions.

They ALL did pretty good. I love Warren's energy but I just don't think she can do what she wants to do. I love Kamala but I'm not seeing her as POTUS. However, I would LOVE for to be the US Attorney General. Bernie needs to be put out to pasture. We're not at the French Revolution point... yet. It's really time for Corey Booker to drop out. On and on...

But, Joe Biden... He moves a bit slower. He stumbles over some words. But, you can see that he thinks. He reflects before he speaks. He calms me. I'm not expecting or looking for anything dramatic. I just want us to be put back on the path that we were on when Obama was president. I just want to be able to sleep calmly at night.

by Anonymousreply 342October 16, 2019 12:08 PM

Pete wants to back the Supreme Court. After Trump we should be supporting the rule of law, not underming it.

by Anonymousreply 343October 16, 2019 12:08 PM

Pack the Supreme Court ^

by Anonymousreply 344October 16, 2019 12:09 PM

[quote]No one cares that Amy did way more damage to her during the debate itself.

It had more impact because those two actually are coworkers at their day jobs.

by Anonymousreply 345October 16, 2019 12:14 PM

Pete Buttigieg? You mean PETE NASTY!!!

by Anonymousreply 346October 16, 2019 12:14 PM

In fairness, when Pete talks about packing the Supreme Court, he's only referring to Daddy John Roberts.

by Anonymousreply 347October 16, 2019 12:18 PM

Pete was a nasty bitch.

by Anonymousreply 348October 16, 2019 12:25 PM

[quote]Biden/Whitmer is the path for Democrats to follow for success.

Whitmer will be Biden’s running mate if he ends up being the nominee.

But I think it’s going to be Warren.

by Anonymousreply 349October 16, 2019 12:26 PM

[quote]And of course she pivoted, shamelessly.

Warren is the queen of pivoting. She always avoids questions she doesn’t want to answer with “so here’s the way I see it...” and then talking about something else.

But it might be a smart strategy. It avoids her being on the record about topics where she doesn’t want to be.

And also, her opponent is going to be Trump... who’s the biggest deflector of all.

by Anonymousreply 350October 16, 2019 12:30 PM

[quote]But, Joe Biden... He moves a bit slower. He stumbles over some words.

I like him, but the stammering and that one moment last night when it looked like he lost himself completely for a second or two and let out a bizarre noise were rough to watch. And confusing words and names... it's like watching your darling dog slow down.

by Anonymousreply 351October 16, 2019 12:32 PM

Says who r333...? I was just looking at the WaPo and the NYTimes while drinking my coffee and they are not saying that at all.

by Anonymousreply 352October 16, 2019 12:37 PM

Fucking hell, it continues... 😬

[quote]"Last night, she was more specific and forthcoming about the number of selfies she's taken than about how this plan is going to be funded," says Mayor Pete Buttigieg on Sen. Elizabeth Warren's refusal to answer how she would fund "Medicare For All.

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by Anonymousreply 353October 16, 2019 12:41 PM

Wasn't there a thread recently on anal rejuvenation? Could someone send the link?

by Anonymousreply 354October 16, 2019 12:41 PM

Mayor Pete's nice guy act kept him static in the polls. He has to change the strategy and try coming after his rivals.

by Anonymousreply 355October 16, 2019 12:46 PM

r355 Yup. Just look how well the kumbaya spiel is going for Booker. No one is talking about him today.

by Anonymousreply 356October 16, 2019 12:51 PM

Pete is doing the right thing by calling out Warren. She needs to be honest about how she intends to pay for her plans and then let the democratic voters decide if that is the route they want to take.

by Anonymousreply 357October 16, 2019 1:01 PM

Yang seems like a mean asshole. He's way too cocky for my liking.

by Anonymousreply 358October 16, 2019 1:13 PM

I don't understand Warren sticking to "I won't sign a bill that increases costs."

I'm not familiar with any bills that say something like "X-rays will rise from $1,500 to $1,800 across the U.S."

Does she mean a legislative bill that increases taxes? Premiums?

Why does she keep saying "costs?"

by Anonymousreply 359October 16, 2019 1:18 PM

Yang was much less goofy and actually made some coherent points at this debate. His sentences flowed better as well, I thought. Debate prep is a marvelous thing.

But yeah, there's still that unfounded cockiness. And he kept agreeing with everyone instead of taking them on.

by Anonymousreply 360October 16, 2019 1:19 PM

r355, So you agree that it was just an act?

Good.

by Anonymousreply 361October 16, 2019 1:32 PM

[quote]Why does she keep saying "costs?"

She's referring to the cost to of health care insurance.

She frames it that way because the average (employed) American will pay more in taxes directed to health care than they currently pay in their share of health care insurance -- but it will be less than the total cost of insurance, which is currently paid mostly by employers.

It will be a boon for people with high uncovered medical expenses and it's where America needs to go -- but it will be a hard sell for Joe Public, especially once the Republican scaremongering kicks in.

by Anonymousreply 362October 16, 2019 1:33 PM

We all wanted to see Tulsi do one last hit, but she crashed and burned, didn't she? She got spit roasted on the Syria thing. Unless she decides to run as third party, she just might be done, I think.

r361 Everyone is acting; politics is mainly about appearances. For example, Warren in 2019 is definitely NOT the Warren I fell in love with in 2016. She was more professorial back then, rather than this folksy entertainer she is now. She just started her rebrand earlier than Pete, is all.

by Anonymousreply 363October 16, 2019 1:37 PM

[quote]I don't understand Warren sticking to "I won't sign a bill that increases costs."

She's being vague about it intentionally, because:

[quote]It will be a boon for people with high uncovered medical expenses and it's where America needs to go -- but it will be a hard sell for Joe Public, especially once the Republican scaremongering kicks in.

by Anonymousreply 364October 16, 2019 1:38 PM

[quote]We all wanted to see Tulsi do one last hit

I didn't need to ever see her again.

by Anonymousreply 365October 16, 2019 1:39 PM

This whole “let’s go big to energize people” ignores American political history. Energizing has only worked when coupled with moderation and, unfortunately, triangulation . Even if Warren or Sanders won, they would face an uncooperative Senate in 2021 and likely a Republican House and Senate in 2023 and beyond. I don’t want a moderate for their exact policy positions, I want one so they can get ejected and achieve something more than moral purity.

by Anonymousreply 366October 16, 2019 1:40 PM

Honey, a Republican senate is not going to work with a Democratic President. It doesn't matter how moderate or liberal they are r366.

The cold truth no matter who gets elected these sweeping policy proposals aren't going to happen unless the Dems manage to win the senate also. But either way getting Trump out of the White House alone is a huge win.

by Anonymousreply 367October 16, 2019 1:44 PM

r366 Nailed it. Energising will work once the cancer of Electoral College is abolished. Until then, those Obama voters who switched to Trump or those moderates who stayed at home, both in crucial swing states, need something other than energising with sweeping policies.

But sure, go right ahead and energise... you'll energise yourself right into another popular vote win / EC loss.

by Anonymousreply 368October 16, 2019 1:47 PM

Both Democrats and Republicans were energized in 2018. Democrats ended up with a +7 blue wave. If we see that again in 2020, and the indications today are that we will, Trump will lose.

It's pretty simple: when Democrats are energized, when they turn out, they win.

by Anonymousreply 369October 16, 2019 1:49 PM

It will be interesting to see if Buttigieg's transformation into an attack chihuahua will benefit him in the polls. I get that he needed to shake things up but I'm not sure this was the right way to do it.

If nothing else, though, this will test Warren's ability to fight off attackers, which is a good thing. She had to know this was coming.

by Anonymousreply 370October 16, 2019 1:52 PM

Don't discount Republican enthusiasm for 2020 r369. The Republican base loves Trump, and he is still a powerful figure.

The 2020 election is going to be a tough fit. The Dems obviously can win, but thinking it is going to be easy is a mistake.

by Anonymousreply 371October 16, 2019 1:52 PM

This headline made me laugh.

[quote]Warren Buffeted as Pete Punches and Klobuchar Clobbers

GROAN. 😂

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by Anonymousreply 372October 16, 2019 1:52 PM

r371 Yes, I was listening to the Campaign HQ podcast with David Plouffe (Barack Obama's campaign manager) the other day and he said we should be counting on a HUGE turnout by Trump supporters. No one who supports him will sit this one out, so we should forget about trying to make them do that.

by Anonymousreply 373October 16, 2019 1:55 PM

I didn't say it was going to be easy and I'm not discounting Republican enthusiasm, R371. I'm just pointing out that they were enthusiastic in 2018, too, and Democrats still won.

Trump is down to his base right now, in the upper 30s to low 40s, overall, and he will not be pivoting. He's already made it very clear that he will be doubling down on the whining and the attacks. And he and his base will be egging each other on in those endless rallies he's been holding, and will continue to hold, resulting in a vicious cycle, where he needs to go even farther out into the wilds to get his applause fix.

He needs another 6 to 10 percent of the voters in order to win in 2020. Where will he get them? Even a high turnout from his base won't be enough.

by Anonymousreply 374October 16, 2019 1:56 PM

Trump's ass wasn't on the line in 2018. Apples and oranges.

by Anonymousreply 375October 16, 2019 1:58 PM

Yeah, actually it was, as Republicans acknowledged, R375. It was a mid-term election, one that Republicans traditionally do much, much better in than Democrats do, and it was a referendum on Trump. Democrats are energized, more so than they have ever been in my lifetime. And Trump's "strongly disapprove" numbers are at historically high levels, with the most recent poll showing half the country strongly disapproving of Trump.

Again, I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park or that we will not have to fight for every vote, but right now, Democratic chances look good.

by Anonymousreply 376October 16, 2019 2:01 PM

[quote]Tulsi got spit roasted

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 377October 16, 2019 2:07 PM

Trump has had about a 40% solid line of support since he 14th

by Anonymousreply 378October 16, 2019 2:15 PM

Trump has had about a 40% solid line of support since he 14th

by Anonymousreply 379October 16, 2019 2:15 PM

[quote]She always avoids questions she doesn’t want to answer with “so here’s the way I see it...” and then talking about something else. But it might be a smart strategy. It avoids her being on the record about topics where she doesn’t want to be.

[quote]Pete is doing the right thing by calling out Warren. She needs to be honest about how she intends to pay for her plans and then let the democratic voters decide if that is the route they want to take.

Warren's easy ride just ended. Rivals and media will now ruthlessly push the challenge of a plain answer. Nothing indicates Warren is ready (or able) to give it. That will harm perception of her. It's a problem. So is the pivoting. She's good at it in that she's fearless and comfortable with the tactic.. she's also obvious about it... it will begin to work against her if she appears to be avoiding the big question... which she is.

I don't say she won't win the nomination but her easy ride is over, am certain of that.

by Anonymousreply 380October 16, 2019 2:19 PM

Re: Pete (and Amy) coming after Warren. This is exactly what does need to happen. Warren's "big vision" will be tested by voters in the general election (not just screaming "she's a socialist!!" attacks by Trump and others). Her being forced to explain he plans, defend them, address doubts... is helpful, I think. My guess is she'll nimbly shift from absolutist positions like "Medicare for All right now" to "here's the incremental pathway to Medicare for Al" by summer, 2020.

by Anonymousreply 381October 16, 2019 2:26 PM

Trump has had about a 40% solid line of support since he became president. That 40% supports him no matter what and they vote. That’s what is important, They vote. I see Democrats focusing on the wrong things during this primary season. Thing #1 should be about getting rid of Trump. We can deal with the other stuff later, but democrats want to get caught up on fringe issues. This primary season should be about playing to the center and playing to a broad audience, not things that divide us.

by Anonymousreply 382October 16, 2019 2:26 PM

[quote] They'll leave Virginia alone because this time next month, Virginia will be a blue state. Democrats control all of the statewide offices, the majority of the House delegation, and due to new maps that aren't gerrymandered, will be getting control of both houses of the legislature. They'll be able to have actual election security.

R336, do you think they'll really win the House of Delegates and the Senate this November? It's so close!

by Anonymousreply 383October 16, 2019 2:44 PM

r373, I'm worried that the cult will indeed turn out, essentially 100% of them going to vote, and that "undecideds" will stay away because the media will cynically portray the entire election as "toxic" and push the moral equivalence of the cult and Dems. The Times will lead with the moral equivalence theme, of course, and the rest will follow.

by Anonymousreply 384October 16, 2019 2:52 PM

Dems have the .00001 % who are trans and nonbinary voters. Who, I'm sure, will turn out to vote. So it evens out, R382!

by Anonymousreply 385October 16, 2019 3:00 PM

[quote] Other candidates, meanwhile, shifted their strategies in the wake of the new political circumstances. Buttigieg was newly combative, displaying a strategy of attacking the more progressive wing of the party that he had debuted in a series of left-punching statements made in the days before the debate. He criticized Warren on her wealth tax and on Medicare for All, which he deemed impossible; he criticized the former Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke for his call to institute a nationwide buy back for automatic weapons, a prospect that Buttigieg deemed a “shiny object”. The message was that better things are not possible, and that Democrats, and Americans more broadly, must lower their hopes. It was hardly an inspiring assertion, especially considering that Buttigieg delivered it with sneering condescension, apparently impressed with his own callous brand of pragmatism. The combination of cynicism, contempt, and Buttigieg’s extreme youth was disquieting. The South Bend mayor’s debate performance conjured the image of a character in a dark teen drama, an ambitious prep school debate captain who would throw his best friend under the bus in order to secure his own admission to Princeton. In reality, Buttigieg graduated from Harvard.

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by Anonymousreply 386October 16, 2019 3:01 PM

The amount of homophobic hatred Pete is getting from the far Left is unreal. Even the gays that are now walking, talking communists keep using slurs against him. It’s like watching women hating women, a la Hillary in 2008 and 2016. Who does Pete think he is? He’s a privileged cis white gay man. I’m not even saying you have to agree with his positions but they’re going after him because he’s not gay enough and/or he’s a gay WHITE make. It’s just unbelievable. The Left has the liberal version of the Tea Party now.

by Anonymousreply 387October 16, 2019 3:03 PM

If Bernie ends up the nominee, he’ll lose like a McGovern. The silver-lining is it will end the far Left insanity. In fact, at this point they’re far far Left. When you start demanding voting rights for the incarcerated, you’ve lost the plot. John Waters take on this is hilarious. Even he thinks they’re nuts and he’s as liberal as they come.

by Anonymousreply 388October 16, 2019 3:07 PM

r386 Some candidates had valid points against Warren, it's a shame the Guardian does not report that. Yang was spot on about the wealth tax, and that automation is taking jobs, yet Warren does not want to accept that. The data supports Yang.

by Anonymousreply 389October 16, 2019 3:13 PM

[quote] Who does Pete think he is? He’s a privileged cis white gay man.

And he was in the closet up until 2015! He does need a lesson on courage.

by Anonymousreply 390October 16, 2019 3:15 PM

[quote]The amount of homophobic hatred Pete is getting from the far Left is unreal.

Not really. Pete's campaign has become an attack dog against the far left, that's their entire thing. Of course the far left is going to attack him back over it.

Pete expects that, he is trying to appeal to the moderates who support Biden.

by Anonymousreply 391October 16, 2019 3:17 PM

Pete represents Hollywood A-gay money, right? Not surprising that they're actually relatively conservative. $$$

by Anonymousreply 392October 16, 2019 3:19 PM

[quote] If Bernie ends up the nominee, he’ll lose like a McGovern.

Even though the polls say he will win against Trump, you still persist on peddling this fear mongering. Furthermore, any of them could lose to Trump, including Biden. A loss is a loss. Ask Hillary how good it feels to lose while still having the popular vote. You learned nothing from 2016.

by Anonymousreply 393October 16, 2019 3:22 PM

R389 that was an opinion piece. If you look at what else the author has written then you will see a clear bias.

[quote]My guess is she'll nimbly shift from absolutist positions like "Medicare for All right now" to "here's the incremental pathway to Medicare for Al" by summer, 2020.

20 years ago and you'd be right, but this day and age doesn't tolerate evolution. She'd be labeled a flip flopper, and mostly by her own supporters.

by Anonymousreply 394October 16, 2019 3:23 PM

Yes of course it's going to be a gradual process to Medicare for All. Warren and her campaign manager have high IQs: they understand that this is the primary process. They'll handle the flip-flopping accusations later, in the general, in part by pointing out that Trump is a sociopathic monster destroying America, which should outweigh a more nuanced plan for MFA.

by Anonymousreply 395October 16, 2019 3:28 PM

Yes of course it's going to be a gradual process to Medicare for All. Warren and her campaign manager have high IQs: they understand that this is the primary process. They'll handle the flip-flopping accusations later, in the general, in part by pointing out that Trump is a sociopathic monster destroying America, which should outweigh a more nuanced plan for MFA.

by Anonymousreply 396October 16, 2019 3:28 PM

R393, that assertion was even more stupid when you consider that, because of political polarization, there is zero chance that any of the Democratic candidates will "lose like a McGovern." They may win, they may lose, but it won't be a landslide in either direction. That's just dumb.

by Anonymousreply 397October 16, 2019 4:03 PM

This is the beginning of Warren's fall. You could see how the CNN panel which was once so impressed with her was exasperated with her lack of candor on the Medicare for all funding question. The more she repeatedly employs the same pivoting schtick, the more she comes off as slippery and dishonest.

She had a very easy ride for awhile which in part helped lead to her ascension, but that's over now. Her style of completely avoiding answering questions and instead delivering a rehearsed answer beginning with a "So look, this is how I see it" generalization and then telling a folksy story about some random person she met is now getting noticed and called out, along with her arrogant stance that only she has the right "bold" ideas.

I saw her post interviews on both CNN and MSNBC and she repeated herself VERBATIM both times using the exact words and phrasing she did in the debate. The other candidates did not do that- while they may have made similar general points they came off as natural, not like some sort of phony rehearsed, evasive bot.

Several pundits also called out her petty ungraciousness towards Biden, when she intentionally refused to acknowledge his significant help in getting her bill passed, pointedly mentioning Obama instead, and worst of all, disrespectfully refusing to look him in the eye even once.

This pattern of behavior will only get more dissected and exposed as time goes on. "Bitchy" or not, criticisms such as Pete's this morning that Warren was "more specific and forthcoming about the number of selfies she's taken than how she will find her health care plan", will multiply and resonate. She will maintain a decent base of support, but those on the fence and newcomers will get wise to her game and look elsewhere. This won't happen overnight but this is the beginning.

by Anonymousreply 398October 16, 2019 4:15 PM

Buttigieg's campaign claims their aggressive debate performance is yielding record traffic and donations.

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by Anonymousreply 399October 16, 2019 4:23 PM

That is great news R399. Go Pete Go!

by Anonymousreply 400October 16, 2019 4:37 PM

Waiting on the polling...

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by Anonymousreply 401October 16, 2019 4:42 PM

What you describe is inevitable r398. That's part of rising and being a front runner, Warren is going to start taking damage and dealing with more critical news coverage.

The key is to see if it actually affects things in a dramatic way, I am skeptical it will, but time will tell.

by Anonymousreply 402October 16, 2019 4:43 PM

The only polls that count are the...what, oh shit, I can't remember.

by Anonymousreply 403October 16, 2019 5:01 PM

I believe in Warren's case it will have an effect r402 because I think many of her more recent supporters were somewhat hoodwinked by this technique-- a very sly approach of appearing to be candid, straightforward and matter of fact when she is actually being the opposite. I think it's taken some time for the other candidates and the media to catch on and start articulating their doubts , and now that they have, it will become more clear to the public at large.

Also, I believe Warren's confidence in herself and her myriad plans is appealing--until one realizes that what they are actually witnessing is OVERconfidence. Her self aggrandizing selfie count, for example, underscores a carefully disguised smugness that is becoming more apparent .

by Anonymousreply 404October 16, 2019 5:08 PM

Kamala Harris ✔ @KamalaHarris

Three hours.

Not one question about the climate crisis.

Not one question about LGBTQ+ rights.

Not one question about immigration.

These issues are too important to ignore. #DemDebate

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by Anonymousreply 405October 16, 2019 5:13 PM

Julián Castro ✔ @JulianCastro

Three hours and no questions tonight about climate, housing, or immigration.

Climate change is an existential threat. America has a housing crisis. Children are still in cages at our border.

But you know, Ellen.#DemocraticDebate

by Anonymousreply 406October 16, 2019 5:15 PM

[quote]Even though the polls say (Sanders) will win against Trump, you still persist on peddling this fear mongering.

The polls showed Hillary would win against Trump in October 2015, and every day thereafter until she lost the November 2016 election.

by Anonymousreply 407October 16, 2019 5:21 PM

Kamala and Julian are correct. Something has to be done about the current debate structure -- all the moderators care about is getting candidates to attack each other and creating "gotcha" viral moments. Maybe they need to be given over exclusively to PBS, which doesn't have to chase ad money.

by Anonymousreply 408October 16, 2019 5:24 PM

It parallels with what happened with Bernie in 2016 once people realized there was no 'there there'. Can a New York Daily News type interview with Warren be far behind now?

by Anonymousreply 409October 16, 2019 5:26 PM

[quote]I don’t want a moderate for their exact policy positions, I want one so they can get ejected and achieve something more than moral purity.

Oh, Pete and Amy are definitely going to get ejected...right out of this race.

by Anonymousreply 410October 16, 2019 5:44 PM

[quote]Kamala and Julian are correct. Something has to be done about the current debate structure -- all the moderators care about is getting candidates to attack each other and creating "gotcha" viral moments.

What needs to happen is that half of these candidates need to be gone.

It’s not possible to have a substantive debate with 12 people on the stage.

We’ve heard enough from Booker, Gabbard, Yang, O’Rourke, etc... Time to leave them behind.

by Anonymousreply 411October 16, 2019 5:46 PM

[quote] Yes of course it's going to be a gradual process to Medicare for All. Warren and her campaign manager have high IQs: they understand that this is the primary process. They'll handle the flip-flopping accusations later, in the general,

Yes. This is all true.

Warren and her team understand that this is the Primary they are fighting right now. She’s debating and fighting other Democrats, and she believes this is the best strategy.

If she gets to the General, her strategy is going to change as she points out the benefits and fbher plans on comparison to Trump and the Republicans. Her strategy WILL change at that point.

What she’s doing right now, is working. She’s the frontrunner among all these Dems.

by Anonymousreply 412October 16, 2019 5:50 PM

^ usually within the margin of error. Give it a week: her weak spots have just been exposed.

by Anonymousreply 413October 16, 2019 5:54 PM

Prediction: the nominee will not be Biden Sanders or Warren. Someone is going to be the dark horse.

by Anonymousreply 414October 16, 2019 5:55 PM

An Amy/Pete ticket would have a lot of appeal to Rust belt voters.

by Anonymousreply 415October 16, 2019 5:58 PM

According to what? Klobuchar has been on the stage for every debate, voters clearly aren't that interested in her.

by Anonymousreply 416October 16, 2019 6:03 PM

[quote]Prediction: the nominee will not be Biden Sanders or Warren.

Could be -- at this point in the 2008 election cycle, Hillary led the Democratic field by 27.8 points.

We know how that turned out.

by Anonymousreply 417October 16, 2019 6:05 PM

Over $1 million raised in the past 24 hours from tens of thousands of donors, and their website has crashed.

Twitter 👏 is 👏 not 👏 real 👏 life.

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by Anonymousreply 418October 16, 2019 6:15 PM

Money is nice, but Pete has not had a problem attracting money.

At the end of the day what matters are how the voters feel, we will see if Pete gets movement in the polls.

by Anonymousreply 419October 16, 2019 6:17 PM

Money gets you offices in early states, which is everything right now.

by Anonymousreply 420October 16, 2019 6:18 PM

In 2016, Bernie outraised Hillary and Hillary outraised Trump. And look what happened.

Money doesn't equal votes and at this point I'd bet there's some overlap in donors.

by Anonymousreply 421October 16, 2019 6:27 PM

I did not appreciate Warren's rather brilliant shade of Uncle Joe. It was kind of mean and peeps don't like it when you're mean to Uncle Joe. However it was so bitchy I had to give her credit. She is tough and handled all the attacks with finesse.

by Anonymousreply 422October 16, 2019 6:32 PM

Joe needs to drop out and just say his sons dealings have become a distraction that the repubs will use against him.

by Anonymousreply 423October 16, 2019 6:35 PM

Are the blacks still in love with Uncle Joe?

by Anonymousreply 424October 16, 2019 6:37 PM

I think Biden is doing fine, R423 to the dismay of the media and the Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 425October 16, 2019 6:37 PM

[quote]Are the blacks still in love with Uncle Joe?

They're sure not in love with Trump and the Republicans!

by Anonymousreply 426October 16, 2019 6:38 PM

Unless he can increase his donations he might not be around for the first votes R425.

by Anonymousreply 427October 16, 2019 6:41 PM

Oh dear. I get some people hate Biden and that he is doing great, but Biden is still doing great and remains a clear front runner for the nomination.

by Anonymousreply 428October 16, 2019 6:44 PM

[QUOTE] This is the beginning of Warren's fall.

She’s got $25 million in the bank and growing. She’s not going anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 429October 16, 2019 6:45 PM

Favorability/ unfavorability changes from the 538 panel.

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by Anonymousreply 430October 16, 2019 6:57 PM

Full article with more graphics.

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by Anonymousreply 431October 16, 2019 6:58 PM

So basically that poll indicates the debate is unlikely to change anything in the current standings in the race.

For the people who are hoping for a Warren implosion, that poll indicates the audience was happy with her performance.

by Anonymousreply 432October 16, 2019 7:04 PM

So, almost nothing changed. These debates mean nothing. I mean really, who is watching this shit besides geeks?

by Anonymousreply 433October 16, 2019 7:04 PM

[quote] I mean really, who is watching this shit besides geeks?

The media, Republicans, and the nervous nellies if DL....

by Anonymousreply 434October 16, 2019 7:16 PM

So, do the Dems still have those Super delegates or whatever they are called to stop the nutters getting Sanders or Warren up for the nom?

by Anonymousreply 435October 16, 2019 8:20 PM

The superdelegates will push Hillary through again.

by Anonymousreply 436October 16, 2019 8:32 PM

They won't vote on the first ballot, R435. They don't come into play unless nobody wins the nomination on the first ballot. For the first ballot, a winning candidate would need something like 1990 votes. If nobody achieves that, the super-delegates get to vote in the second ballot and a winning candidate would then need 2373 votes.

Short answer: no. If Warren or Sanders takes it in the first ballot, they take on Trump. And the current data show that each of them are in the lead right now and have a solid shot at winning in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 437October 16, 2019 8:40 PM

Clarification: "each of them are in the lead right now" *against Trump*. They both are leading Trump in both the national polls and in the swing state polls.

by Anonymousreply 438October 16, 2019 8:41 PM

They lead in polls but that's with no alternate opposition campaign.

What happens when the Trumpsters start on Warren & Sanders more whacky ideas in a campaign?

That's when the polls likely change.

by Anonymousreply 439October 16, 2019 8:48 PM

I don’t see Warren’s poll numbers holding, especially with a big target on her back now. She picked up most of Kamala’s support. Biden is holding firm with his coalition of moderates and older black voters. Bernie’s support is locked in and isn’t going anywhere. But I totally expect to see Pete in double digits very soon. He made a strong case last night and people noticed.

by Anonymousreply 440October 16, 2019 8:50 PM

Amy also got some recognition, r440.

by Anonymousreply 441October 16, 2019 9:15 PM

Hillary is the moderate we need.

by Anonymousreply 442October 16, 2019 9:19 PM

R431 Digging into Nate Silver's numbers - the more interesting % to me is that Pete has the lowest "unfavorable" total. The current Twitter-verse, Bernie Bro, Woke Army response is to cast him as some kind of corporate shill. The Blue Dog, Centrist, Neo Liberal threat to the ideological purity represented by Bernie first, and Warren secondarily, and Harris/Castro just because.

In fact Buttigieg is still pretty hard to pin down on too many policy issues - his Douglass Plan is pretty impressive, but getting ZERO traction among AA voters who fundamentally distrust him. (His mediocre civil rights record as mayor doesn't help). So, he's the logical candidate to ascend as others fall out - only 13% don't like him. He'd need Biden to have a gaga/ stroke event in public, or simply drop out, and Klobuchar to stumble (she's not consistently smooth-centrist-stable mom... she has crags and shadows), AND he'd need Obama or Oprah to endorse him. Not likely to happen.

For the record, I am a democratic socialist who has given $ to Warren (most), Bernie, Castro AND Pete. I plan to vote for Warren.

by Anonymousreply 443October 16, 2019 9:46 PM

Buttigieg is the Obama we need, R443.

by Anonymousreply 444October 16, 2019 10:09 PM

Day after debate, Elizabeth Warren's campaign says it's reviewing 'other revenue options' for Medicare for All

Hmm.

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by Anonymousreply 445October 16, 2019 10:28 PM

R444. I have to laugh.

by Anonymousreply 446October 16, 2019 11:12 PM

First they laugh at you...

by Anonymousreply 447October 16, 2019 11:14 PM

The election is like 54 weeks, 12.5 months 380 days away, who gives a fuck at this point? Get a life.

by Anonymousreply 448October 16, 2019 11:15 PM

r448 Not a primary voter, I gather?

by Anonymousreply 449October 16, 2019 11:25 PM

The only thing that Buttigieg and Obama have in common is the hand they both write with.

Beyond that? Nothing.

by Anonymousreply 450October 16, 2019 11:59 PM

I guess Liz realized that at $30 to $40 trillion over 10 years, you can take every dime from Bezos, every dollar spent on the military and combine it with a payroll tax and you still wouldn't have enough money to pay for MFA let alone everything else she was promising.

by Anonymousreply 451October 17, 2019 12:01 AM

I wonder if Bernie might be going up in the polls again. At least he's honest about how to pay for it. I will be surprised if this doesn't hurt her, significantly if not badly.

by Anonymousreply 452October 17, 2019 12:05 AM

Elizabeth Warren is ovah.

by Anonymousreply 453October 17, 2019 12:07 AM

[quote]I wonder if Bernie might be going up in the polls again

I don't think so. I think he is done.

[quote]Elizabeth Warren is ovah.

Agreed.

by Anonymousreply 454October 17, 2019 12:08 AM

R450 While it feels fun to say that, this is why the Collective Impact of the Left has been pretty impotent in recent years... Obama (a Neo Liberal, corporatist, immigration hawk - deporting more than any recent president - militarist with drone murders exploring beyond Bush Jr's numbers) was able to unite the "Left." The Right has learned to stick together, despite huge ideological differences. That's how they elected Trump. One disciplined, thin-tank-honed message. The Left? We eat our own for the sugar rush of ideological superiority and shelf-life purity.

by Anonymousreply 455October 17, 2019 12:20 AM

R343 Pete wants to pack the Supreme Court to protect merge equality, abortion rights, civil rights,. That’s a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 456October 17, 2019 1:01 AM

Marriage ^

by Anonymousreply 457October 17, 2019 1:01 AM

Pete’s in it for the long haul. He’s not blowing his load all at once. He’s on a slow steady rise. The seniors won’t last.

by Anonymousreply 458October 17, 2019 1:06 AM

[quote]I guess Liz realized that at $30 to $40 trillion over 10 years, you can take every dime from Bezos, every dollar spent on the military and combine it with a payroll tax and you still wouldn't have enough money to pay for MFA let alone everything else she was promising.

You do realize that this is not only completely false, it's fucking stupid, right?

by Anonymousreply 459October 17, 2019 1:20 AM

I don't get why Warren wouldn't argue that any tax increase would be offset by savings in health insurance?? That's a pretty simple argument to make but she chose to be dissemble.

by Anonymousreply 460October 17, 2019 1:21 AM

She said that the total costs would go down. How is that dissembling?

by Anonymousreply 461October 17, 2019 1:22 AM

Wow, you're fucking dense, r459.

by Anonymousreply 462October 17, 2019 1:25 AM

I think she's arrogant. She thinks she's the only one can save the day. Her passion has turned into zeal. It really struck me how many people schooled her last night on the notion her way is not the only way. She's buying her own press and the competitors are sick of her ego.

by Anonymousreply 463October 17, 2019 1:25 AM

Mayo Pete refuses to finish his job in South Bend. He better go back while he still has a job.

by Anonymousreply 464October 17, 2019 1:25 AM

r463, you basically just described every candidate running for president. If they didn't think their way was the only way, they wouldn't be running.

by Anonymousreply 465October 17, 2019 1:27 AM

For correctly pointing out that something is not only completely false, it's fucking stupid, R462? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

by Anonymousreply 466October 17, 2019 1:28 AM

Fair point, R465, but every so often you get someone with a messiah complex. I think Warren might be one. Watch her in debates. She's apart from the rest of them, in her own world. I don't dispute she's sincere and passionate, I just think she's gone off the deep end with it.

by Anonymousreply 467October 17, 2019 1:29 AM

Speaking of "fucking dense:"

[quote]Can a New York Daily News type interview with Warren be far behind now?

'nuff said.

by Anonymousreply 468October 17, 2019 1:31 AM

Yeah, you're a moron, r468.

by Anonymousreply 469October 17, 2019 1:37 AM

[quote] you still wouldn't have enough money to pay for MFA

How does every other civilized country in the world do it? We’re the only country with this malfunctioning for-profit medical and health insurance system and the only country where people routinely go bankrupt from medical costs. Why is that?

by Anonymousreply 470October 17, 2019 1:39 AM

Oh, dear, R469. I'm so sorry that you are so intellectually challenged that you cannot come up with a cogent reply.

[quote]How does every other civilized country in the world do it?

Why do you think I said it was fucking stupid, R470? He's an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.

by Anonymousreply 471October 17, 2019 1:40 AM

R47, short answer is taxes. Countries that 'make it work' tend to have a flatter tax structure and regressive taxes like a VAT. You can't even get Warren to admit to a middle class tax increase, can you see her introducing a VAT?

by Anonymousreply 472October 17, 2019 1:50 AM

The Democrats (except Pete) always make the idiot mistake of talking about taxing and spending during elections years. Republicans never speak about that. They wait until their in office and then they "RepubliCAN" us into another recession.

That's only one reason why Warren will lose if she's the nominee besides the fact she doesn't understand perception and messaging. Neither does Biden, Bernie, nor Harris. The other candidates are so in the weeds it doesn't matter what they do.

by Anonymousreply 473October 17, 2019 1:57 AM

R458 Pete has been polling around 5% for going on 4 months now. How in the hell is that a "slow steady rise"!?

by Anonymousreply 474October 17, 2019 1:59 AM

Pete's at 8% in some polls and only 2 points behind the heart attack. He turned up the heat during last night's debate. He understands this is not a sprint, but a marathon.

by Anonymousreply 475October 17, 2019 2:03 AM

Where do the moderates who just want to tinker with Obamacare start negotiating from? Their position is the endgame position. What do they give up to the other side to get it passed during negotiations. And, there are always negotiations. You don't start at your endpoint. Warren is starting at the grand liberal dream scenario and leaving plenty of room to negotiate to a place where you end up with, wait for it, a very good public option that mimics Medicare which will slowly fill with people as they realize that it's a much better value and much easier and less annoying than dealing with insurance companies. Medicare for all achieved on longer timeline.

And, those attacking Warren leaving Biden out of her list of people that helped her form the Consumer Protection Agency seem to be fine with Biden proclaiming that he's the only person on that stage who has every done anything big. Her speaking about the CPA she formed under Obama was in answer to Biden's bullshit claim that none of them had accomplished anything. You also don't seem to have a problem with Biden talking down to her by saying, "You did a hell of a job AT YOUR JOB!" to which she, after a pause, simply replied, "Thank you."

Biden will lose women voters. No Democrat wins without women. Biden has a woman problem.

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by Anonymousreply 476October 17, 2019 2:14 AM

If I'm parsing the polling correctly, most metrics would say that Liz, Bernie, and Pete were the winners. Amy and Pete actually got the biggest moves in terms of support, but Biden and Liz got jumps, and Bernie actually ticked down slightly.

Beto and Tulsi did the worst in terms of favorabilty ratings.

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by Anonymousreply 477October 17, 2019 2:16 AM

He's been down at certain points and up at others. I would not describe that as a slow steady rise. Plus, I suspect his negatives are very high.

by Anonymousreply 478October 17, 2019 2:17 AM

They aren't. He has the lowest unfavorability ratings out of the entire field.

by Anonymousreply 479October 17, 2019 2:19 AM

[quote]Biden will lose women voters. No Democrat wins without women. Biden has a woman problem.

Where in the hell did you pull that from? You Warren stans have been in meltdown mode all day. Attacking Pete. Attacking Klobuchar. Attacking Biden. I had to shut down Twitter. It's not a good look for you guys. This is the easy part, if your girl gets the nomination it's not going to get any easier. She can't dodge forever.

by Anonymousreply 480October 17, 2019 2:22 AM

R470, Re how other countries can provide medical coverage for all . . . prior to recent mass immigration every country with socialized medicine had extremely strong social controls and a fairly homogeneous population.

By contrast now Britain's health services are being strained due to the prevalence of cousin marriages with a high rate of babies born with severe disabilities. There are an overwhelming number of cases of severe obesity, drug addiction, alcoholism, mental illness, etc all of which result in skyrocketing medical costs. Think the US can really afford medicare for all with so many willingly or not taking advantage of the system?

by Anonymousreply 481October 17, 2019 2:23 AM

R480, did you even bother to read the rest of my post? Care to respond to the points that brought me to the conclusion? I even provided you with an article and the video of the exchange is available all over the place.

by Anonymousreply 482October 17, 2019 2:25 AM

R475 You're cherry picking a single poll. I'm talking about the aggregate of all polls, where he's stagnated around 5% for months. Not really the polling one associates with a steady rise.

by Anonymousreply 483October 17, 2019 2:59 AM

R483 Aggregate polls for Iowa, where he's organizing and spending $, show Pete at 14%.... about 8% behind Biden and Warren. His campaign's strategy (like Obama in 2008, smart for new, unknown candidates) is to focus on Iowa... win or come in second there, do well in New Hampshire... and then see what happens. National polls don't mean that much for him yet. But as I've posted here a gazillion times, unless Pete can get some traction with communities of color, he's a dead end.

by Anonymousreply 484October 17, 2019 3:11 AM

[quote]How does every other civilized country in the world do it?

Other than perhaps Britain, we are the only western country with a sizeable underclass. The rest of those countries are smaller and fairly homogeneous.

I understand that we were supposed to tackle this back in 1980, but Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy were having a big spat, where Carter didn't want to Kennedy to get credit for solving the problem.

by Anonymousreply 485October 17, 2019 3:27 AM

R485 What about Australia? Canada? They have poor people too, right? How do they do it?

I’ve wondered about this for a long time. Why has no one in our government, in anyone’s administration studied this? No one (except Bernie and Liz) ever mentions it. Why can’t we learn from everyone else and adapt their system to something that would work here?

by Anonymousreply 486October 17, 2019 3:41 AM

Ohhh there's a maga person here. Don't bother arguing with him: it won't make a difference (cult).

by Anonymousreply 487October 17, 2019 3:50 AM

R486 One reason I suspect is the Big Pharma and insurance lobbyists have bought both our Congress people and our presidents. That’s why not a single one of them has ever uttered a peep about getting to universal health care coverage.

by Anonymousreply 488October 17, 2019 3:59 AM

[quote]Pete wants to back the Supreme Court. After Trump we should be supporting the rule of law, not underming it.

Go away Boris. If you watched the debates he said that is not what he meant. He talked about possible term limits, rotating judges or add 5 more that could not be done during an election cycle. He wants to break the current situation where each new president can influence the court. What Trump did and the Republican party by blocking Obama chance to pick was what was undermining the rule of law.

by Anonymousreply 489October 17, 2019 4:04 AM

R483 I’m unaware of any votes being cast.

by Anonymousreply 490October 17, 2019 6:46 AM

R449, I am. Do you really need 12 Democratic debates to make up your mind?

by Anonymousreply 491October 17, 2019 11:17 AM

Klobuchar tweeted she raised $1.1 million in 24 hours after the debate.

by Anonymousreply 492October 17, 2019 11:28 AM

R476 I agree with your analysis. Good points. I do like Liz and would be fine with her as a nominee. She was pretty unflappable which was impressive. Love Pete too.

by Anonymousreply 493October 17, 2019 12:06 PM

R486: poverty rates for OECD countries:

U.S. 17.8%

Canada. 12.4%

Australia 12.3%

U.K. 11.1%

Out of all OECD countries, the United States had the highest poverty rate as of 2016, at 17.8 percent. The country with the second highest poverty rate was Israel, with 17.7 percent.

The significance of the OECD

The OECD, or the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, was founded in 1948 and is made up of 36 member countries. It seeks to improve the economic and social well-being of countries and their populations. The OECD looks at issues that impact people’s everyday lives and proposes policies that can help to improve the quality of life.

Poverty in the United States

In 2016, there were 40.6 million people living below the poverty line in the U.S. About 21 percent of the African American population lived in poverty in 2017, the most out of any ethnicity. In addition, more young women lived in poverty than young men. It is clear that poverty in the United States is a complex, multi-faceted issue that affects millions of people and will require a solution for the country to move forward.

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by Anonymousreply 494October 17, 2019 1:26 PM

Canada and Australia have small populations, R486. A better comparison would be Romneycare in MA.

by Anonymousreply 495October 17, 2019 2:59 PM

R494 So the arguments against universal health care are manifold. They shift when the facts contradict. "What's the Matter with Kansas" syndrome pervades the discussion of what's best for our country - the years of stultifying lobbying by Pharma et. al. have poisoned our thinking about what is possible. We're not homogenous enough (the most bizarre argument), we've too high levels of poverty.

Israel and US have EXACTLY the same poverty rates. Israel has a compulsory universal care healthcare system.

by Anonymousreply 496October 17, 2019 3:04 PM

Yet a major contributor to poverty is lack of affordable healthcare for chronic conditions, for major illnesses(meaning people can't work for longer periods of time or can't work WELL because they are sick and so are unable to improve) as well as medical bills themselves.

So better healthcare most likely means fewer people in poverty as well as fewer bankruptcies.

by Anonymousreply 497October 17, 2019 11:11 PM

You know, many of these healthcare discussions wouldn't be happening if only Democrats would have showed up to vote in 2010 to help Obama by keeping a healthcare friendly Congress. Many of the problems with the ACA could have been fixed. All I ask is that those of you who are screaming about MFA and Warren's plan, better be damned ready to show up in 2022.

by Anonymousreply 498October 18, 2019 1:52 AM

[quote]All I ask is that those of you who are screaming about MFA and Warren's plan, better be damned ready to show up in 2022.

Don't worry about us. It was the centrists who gave the house the majority in 2018.

It's the progressive purists who don't turn out or vote third party when they don't get their way.

by Anonymousreply 499October 18, 2019 2:58 AM

$76 million spent to win this shit state. What a waste.

by Anonymousreply 500February 4, 2020 9:52 PM
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