Tell me all about Phoenix, Arizona

There’s already been a thread on this OP. Would it have killed you to do a search before you posted this? I mean really? Do you think you could have just done a search?

There is no there there.

In Phoenix all seem to breathe peace and freedom and make one forget the world and its sad turmoils.

Are those Kellyanne's pussy fumes spreading over the city of Phoenix?

Big suburb - turning into a poor, boring version of early LA sprawl

My sister lives there, so I occasionally visit. It doesn't seem to have much nightlife.

I’ll come clean right out of the gate and say that I am a straight, white, married female, so you can disregard this if you so desire. Arrived here late in life, have been here longer than I imagined I would, and have never lost that sense of being a stranger in a very strange land. There are small pockets that give me a hint of culture, but overall this is one of the most fucked up places I’ve ever been, bunch of fucking dead-eyed weirdos living here, cannot connect with any of them. I’m antisocial cunt, but I swear nobody fucking laughs around here. It is, as my husband and I are fond of saying, as if the heat has boiled most residents’ brains right in their skulls. Or maybe it’s just a whole bunch of blue hairs and Mormons simmering in a soup of doctor-approved prescription drugs. I pretty much keep to myself and my little family. That said, there could be wonderful places here for gay men, though I would never want to be a presumptuous bitch and say what might or might not appeal to you nice gentlemen. I do hope those of you inclined to move here or visit would be happy if you did show up, because I can’t speak for anyone but myself. Thanks, and well-wishes to all.

Marion Crane was from Phoenix, and look what happened to HER!

Their water supply situation is even more bleak than LA's.

Thank you R7.

By the time I get there, she'll be rising.

It's one have one big exurb with a decaying center - there are vast miles of neighborhoods you *don't* want to be in after dark.

R7's is a quite accurate description of the white minority. The majority of the population seems to be trashy Mexicans who insist on living the same way they did in the slums they came from, in other words, with utter contempt for the law and without a trace of civility.

It's a horrible place to live.

This city should not exist — it is a monument to man's arrogance.

Emma Stone is from there.

R11 That was my thought, as well. Great song.

This seems to be a pile-on bashing thread, but my Dad moved to Phoenix before he died and I loved going to visit him there. After spending years in Southern California, Arizona was relaxing upon arrival. The rush hour actually lasts an hour, and you can get around the city and do different things during the course of a single day. Unlike the military-like armor physically and mentally required to run a single errand in LA, shortly leading to a daring final escape home breathing a sigh of relief as you double lock the doors.

R13 white minority? The suburbs are a bunch of rotten milk smelling rednecks and fat old white deplorables, much like yourself.

Phoenix is all of the bad things about Palm Springs and none of the good.

Tucson is really the only tolerable place in AZ. The rest is fundie Repuglican hell. (Or you have Sedona, which is like Marianne Williamson's LSD fart cloud.)

I think everyone in California has relatives in Phoenix.

There's MUCH more to do in Phoenix than Palm Springs.

I heard human life has no value there.

It does have one of the most scenic marathon routes in the country -- the Lost Dutchman Marathon which runs through the Superstition Mountains.

R22 so you should feel right at home

Traffic is a nightmare, people drive like maniacs. Also lots of crime, murders and shit on the local news every night. Those were my takeaways after my stay in Phoenix.

Tucson is rural and very provincial. It's been under construction for decades. I went to school there and was surprised that it is even well-known outside the region.

Lived there from 1977 till 2017, and moved from Phoenix the far eastern side of the Sonoran desert to Palm Springs, the far western side of the Sonoran Desert. The differences in the desert are huge, the Phoenix side almost lush as a desert and beautiful. The Palm Springs side is creosote and rock, pretty bleak except for the huge mountains.

Living in Phoenix became difficult for me as it is populated by conservatives that want to control your sex life, but everything else is fair game. It is spectacularly corrupt overall, and with most conservative places it is ruled with an iron fist. The crime rate is off the charts. The police, I swear to god are grown in labs there and supplemented with steroids. The wealthy equity refugees from California mostly are the inbound with the midwest bring up the rear. As is in most conservative places, it is corruptly well run, and things get done like streets being almost perfect and the landscape is probably the best in the nation. The freeways are works of art.

People wise, R7 is correct with the dead eye weirdo description. There are the crowds that you see, like the Scottsdale crowd, pathetically spastic in any social situation and cannot get past what hideous pile they live in or the car they drive. Tempe is a hotbed of upper-class baby whiteness and privilege, a truly disgusting place where the people that run the city feel as if they are the coolest place on earth. The surrounding suburban cities are the same, the same white bread religious nitwits, all can be lumped together, Chandler, Gilbert, Glendale, Surprise, and Mesa, the crowning achievement to a city run by religious bigots.

Apartments and houses are relatively cheap. The infrastructure is top-notch. The people suck, the weather is Hellish, even by Palm Springs standards. It squats in a wide-open flat desert valley with a rocky strip that used to be a river, now dammed up, farther upstream. The air pollution is nuclear toxic level in the winter.

[QUOTE]Traffic is a nightmare, people drive like maniacs. Also lots of crime, murders and shit on the local news every night.

All that courtesy of the Mexicans who are doing their best to turn the city into New Tijuana.

It was named after River Phoenix.

R27 - thanks for the insight. That was my sense working there for a few months - but good to hear from a long time resident. People are fleeing to cheaper places without realizing a cheaper or nicer living space does not necessarily equate to a better life,

Stevie Nicks lives there. That's all you need to know. Just imagine her inviting you over, having drinks with her and those 2 backup singers, getting over cauldrons, melting candlewax, throwing scarves on lamps.

R31 Well, it probably wouldn't be any real fun since Stevie's coke spoon was stolen. I heard she'll never touch the stuff again without her lucky spoon. Did she ever come by that house you built?

There were witnesses to UFO activity in Dreamy Draw park within a month of the Roswell incident.

It's the Paris of the Sonora Desert.

There’s a new girl in town.

Did somebody say " Corruption"?

Phoenix is becoming a new gay mecca with a large influx of California gays and California Millennials. It has the third largest gay population in the West after California and Texas.

Arizona is on the brink of becoming blue and Arizona has elected several gays for elected offices throughout the state. Don't mind the racist queens who prefer getting beat up by some redneck homophobe before allowing the state to turn blue. Mexicans have always been a sizable part of Arizona, duh, these whores are just mad those downlow rednecks are fleeing to Alabama and Georgia to be with their ilk.

[quote]The freeways are works of art.

I have to say, this is true.

I have to say, my sister does love her Costco McMansion lifestyle in the PHX suburbs. When she visits LA for holidays where we grew up, she is overwhelmed by the traffic and people, lol.

[QUOTE]Don't mind the racist queens who prefer getting beat up by some redneck homophobe before allowing the state to turn blue. Mexicans have always been a sizable part of Arizona, duh, these whores are just mad those downlow rednecks are fleeing to Alabama and Georgia to be with their ilk.

You obviously don't know any Mexicans. If you did you'd know that their toxic machismo makes them the most homophobic pieces of shit on this planet, especially the "nortenos" trash that have infested the southwest.

I work in Phoenix with Mexicans and you would not believe the insane level of homophobia and racism towards African Americans and Native Americans that these hideous assholes constantly display.

[quote] If you did you'd know that their toxic machismo makes them the most homophobic pieces of shit on this planet, e

I would say this isn't even anywhere near the truth. The worst homophobia to be found on the planet is probably a four-way tie between certain countries in the Caribbean, Eastern Europe/Russia, the middle east, and Africa unfortunately.

I live in Phoenix having arrived 10 years ago from San Francisco. I enjoy living here mostly but would add that I have never really felt a connection to the place. I seem to float here rather than arrive. The nice part is the fact I have no housing issues here. I lost my rent controlled appartment in San Francisco and suddenly found myself paying huge amounts to live in a shitty neighborhood. In Phoenix i bought my iwn place and have a cheap mortgage. If I wouldn't have list the SF apartment I would never be here.

Oh, and the Mexicans are pretty much the only interesting thing about Phoenix. It is a town that does need more diversity. The poster trashing the mexicans above is what i hate most about Phoenix. There are lots of old white racists here.

It's hotter than hell in the summer.

BUILD THAT WALL! BUILD THAT WALL!

The traffic is not as bad as most cities...apparently people stay home. In most cities it is busy 24 hours a day...it is not like that in Phoenix.

Boring and hot as shit!

Sara built the house, R32, not Rhiannon.

Stevie Nicks sold her Paradise Valley home years ago, after her father died. She’s exclusively in LA now.

It was a typical beige and brown Southwest Mcmansion monstrosity on the outside , but her decorative touches inside made it extremely cozy, witchy, and womb-like.

[quote]I work in Phoenix with Mexicans and you would not believe the insane level of homophobia and racism towards African Americans and Native Americans that these hideous assholes constantly display.

Not surprised. Mexicans are gross, have no manners, and are obsessed with talking shit about blacks for no reason. They’re pathetic.

R40 pathetic old bottom that works at a grocery store lol

Moved here about 10 years ago because of family, just waiting on a small inheritance to come through and I'll be gone immediately. It's absolutely soulless and I find the constant sun and heat very oppressive. Endless strip malls full of the same chains over and over again. Architecture is as drab as it gets, outside of some cool midcentury stuff. Most of the population is ignorant, basic as fuck, rightwing and/or trashy druggie types. The housing used to be cheap, but not really now (except in comparison to CA, of course), so I cannot see the point of putting up with the horrendous weather and trashy people any more.

There are a few good things here - if you love hiking, mountain biking, etc. there are endless opportunities for that and you don't even have to drive out of town. The nature can be really spectacular. There are a lot of shitty areas, but also plenty that are sparkling clean and new . No shortage of shopping, lots of choice and grocery prices are low. The location is ideal for escaping to other, more attractive locales for short getaways. Sky Harbor is a pretty nice airport. And of course, I certainly don't miss freezing cold and snow.

Phoenix is too fucking hot. Yeah, yeah, it has nice winters. BFD. Summer lasts from April through October, much of it beyond oppressively intensely disgustingly hot. Humans were not meant to live there. It was meant as an outpost along the way to getting the hell out of the desert. Same with Tucson. The culture, architecture and traffic sitting in oppressive heat sucks too.

Phoenix sucks. It's like Vegas but without the casinos but still just as many fat, pasty old white people in Bermuda shorts and Crocs.

I went there years ago in February for a gay rodeo. It was hotter than L.A. in the summertime and very difficult to sleep. The natives of Phoenix I met up there were drinking beer as soon as they got home from work. Last call at the bars is 12:30. Boring!

isn't Phoenix home to Amy's Baking Company?

[quote]Arizona is on the brink of becoming blue

We've been hearing that for the past twenty years. See also: Texas and Georgia.

Not going to happen.

[QUOTE] Not surprised. Puerto Ricans are gross, have no manners, and are obsessed with talking shit about whites for no reason. They’re pathetic.

Fixed that for you, Papi.

People confuse ethnicity and poverty. Used to be blacks, now it’s Mexicans- depending where you live. Ignorant shorthand.

[quote]Last call at the bars is 12:30.

It's 1:45, alcohol stops at 2AM.

Same as California.

[R7] here. In response to [R13], I think the real “minority” are the intelligent, thoughtful, caring, independent people of ANY color, nationality, gender or sexual orientation. Aside from [R14]’s very good point that we peeled apes don’t belong here in the Sonoran desert in the first place, I think the real issue in Phoenix (and probably any place else where humans have settled in large numbers) is the unfortunate fact that there are always more fucking selfish pieces of shit in every community than decent people...no matter what. And this ugly “majority” grows in number - and downright mean, willful stupidity - daily.

There are some nice swimming holes in rivers and canyons out there. You have to drive out a ways, but some locals know where to beat the heat.

What about Flagstaff?

Flagstaff is completely different in every way from Phoenix. It is mostly a college town.

R52, I could've written that same post. Except I live in Atlanta.

It is red neck and anti-anti-gay, do not even give it a thought.

Unlike Atlanta, Phoenix hasn't been trying to convince the anyone who will listen that it is a "world class city".

Phoenix is hardly a city. Just a piece of land where a lit of people live. It is more like a population center.

Phoenix is hardly a city. Just a piece of land where a lit of people live. It is more like a population center.

R70 agreed I don’t know how the fuck Phoenix managed to get nba, nfl and mlb teams, while Las vegas does not.

It's God's Waiting room for retired Boomers who love Trump.

Except for a few progressive towns like Tucson and Bisbee, 90% of the state if very Republican. Phoenix is especially Repug. It's home to thousands of retirement villages because it has an ultra low state tax for retirees of 2 to 4%, land is cheap and you can live like a millionaire on an average income.

Some of you obviously have no idea how many gay people live in the Phoenix area.

If I had to move to AZ, Bisbee is the only place I would consider. It has an artsy community living in a former boom town of the old west and even has a small gay pride. IT's way down south near the boarder of Mexico.

[quote]Some of you obviously have no idea how many gay people live in the Phoenix area.

Gay people live in Detroit too, that doesn't exactly make it a great place to live R73.

R75 I didn't mention it being a great place to live, and I love Detroit

R73 A lot of fugs, closeted married mormons and rethugs, and lots and lots of trannies. Tons of lesbians at the Phoenix Mercury games.

R77 obviously very informed

I went from there all the way to Tacoma, Philadelphia, Atlanta, L.A.

[quote]Phoenix is becoming a new gay mecca

That's such a bullshit marketing statement. California has and estimated population of 1,620,056 LGBT people. A few thousand maybe live in AZ. That's not even 1% of the gay population in the west.

r56 close...Amy's Baking Company was located in Scottsdale.

R80 yep, just a few thousand, maybe. Educate us more with your wisdom.

OK, Sure, AZ is very backwards with their anti-gay discrimination laws for example. No family leave law for LGBT, no adoption discrimination law, no credit discrimination law, no anti-Bullying law, no Conversion Therapy ban, no private health insurance discrimination law. Should I go on?

R83 you shouldn't have started

R74, Jerome is also a funky kitschy town, but I think it might be too touristy for day to day living.

Anyway, my folks live in the Phoenix suburbs (sun city west), I don’t know how they do it, other than their daily “children’s hour(s)”. Unlike most olds who move there, they have gone more to the left politically. But, they seemed to have found like-minded people and church (a cool mix of gays, lesbians, and seniors) believe it or not.

As dead-eyed and soulless as The Phoenix area is, I’m glad to know my parents have found a little (blue) oasis in a sea of red.

R85 Jerome is very cool and like walking around on a movie set. Michelle Branch started out playing at a Jerome bar called the Spirit Room, and titled her debut album after it.

I have been to Peoria which is basically the north part of Phoenix although they like to pretend they are a separate city is regiment city. Some of those communities have 3,000 units. They are nice once you get inside, but it's like Club Med for Seniors. Beautiful pools, club houses, landscape and old saggy over tanned Boomers everywhere you look. Most of the restaurants close by 8 pm. I am not exaggerating.

That is a great spot R86, it is one of the places I try to get to anytime I’m down in AZ.

Let's see if in the next election the Democrats will take the senate seat.

Bisbee is a lovely little town, but it's a FUCKING LONG WAY FROM ANYWHERE. I mean, it's 90 minutes to Tucscon, 3.5 hours to Phoenix. The only town of any size nearby is the depressing mid-sized military town of Sierra Vista, and that's probably where you have to drive to find a Costco or specialist medical care. And any drive anywhere is likely to be delayed by border patrol checkpoints, a common annoyance when you're about five miles from the Mexican border.

Which is why I'm thinking Tucson or possibly Green Valley for my own retirement, not Bisbee.

It was 96 degrees yesterday and it will be 95 today. I except miserable summers but when it drags on into freaking October, it really wears on a person. Granted, the mornings and evenings after the sun goes down are very comfortable. I just wish I didn't have to still run the AC.

Better 95 degrees than being buried in snow.

Arizona will likely have two Democratic Senators and their Republican state legislature is in danger of turning blue as well.

nice!

I echo the above post - my dad lived in Sun City Grand in Surprise. Once you're in the community, it's gorgeous - but thousands of homes. Outside of it? Long drives to any place decent, no culture, and yes, the restaurants are busy for dinner between 4-6pm. And many do close by 8pm.

Phoenix and Florida have a lot of similarities - retirees and white trash from colder states. Lots of golf courses (which don't belong in a desert), strip malls and heat. For many, that's better than where they came from - which was most likely suburban communities in colder cities with the exact same look and feel.

I spend part time in Palm Springs and it is infinitely better - although obviously it's hard to compare against a large metro. I have to go to Scottsdale in Dec for a week with my partner and I'm resenting it.

I am an unhappy resident of Phoenix, but I would rather be here than Florida. Dry heat is better than humidity, we don't have tons of bugs (in 10 years I've only seen 1 scorpion, mosquitoes are a non-issue), you never have to worry about hurricanes, and you are within close proximity to some of the most beautiful parts of the country, with every kind of landscape imaginable. Northern AZ is gorgeous, then you've got New Mexico, southern Utah, southern California of course...all within reasonable distance. I suppose in FL you have the Caribbean, but I need more variety than that.

Good point R95. I agree. Phoenix’ access to stunning nature is a big plus. Worth choosing over Florida. Less trashy - if more libertarian.

Yes, Arizona does really seem to be tirning blue. There is an influx of Californians making that happen perhaps.

There is a "gay district " in the Melrose neighborhood. About 3 blocks on 7th Ave with gay bars, stores and even rainbow crosswalks.

I just saw in the news that the city of Tempe, which is right by Phoenix, is getting ready for a population boom. Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to have population grow in an area with no water?

[quote]Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to have population grow in an area with no water?

Only the marketing department of Tempe City.

I know hundreds of gay people because of my work, and trust me, not a single person who has moved away ever moved to Tempe. Palm Springs is as far as they go if they want warm weather and cheaper housing.

Phoenix is what Dallas claims to be, Houston used to be and Los Angeles might become.

Racist Californians moved there to get away from brown people and not pay taxes.

Phoenix, the land of the Haboob.

[quote]Racist Californians moved there to get away from brown people and not pay taxes.

No, they are moving to Texas not Arizona. Unfortunately for them, they are now moving out of Texas because brown people, hurricanes, and deadly floods.

R52, I’m curious where you’re planning to move that’s soulful, cheap, isn’t hot, doesn’t have strip malls or chain stores, and isn’t right-wing or trashy AND ALSO doesn’t haven’t ice, snow and cold.

Phoenix is the birthplace of DL fave Lynda Carter.

Dreams come true in Phoenix.

They have sewer roaches the size of Buicks.

EARLY TO RISE

EARLY TO BED

INBETWEEN I COOKED AND CLEANED

AND WENT OUT OF MY HEAD

[quote]I’m curious where you’re planning to move that’s soulful, cheap, isn’t hot, doesn’t have strip malls or chain stores, and isn’t right-wing or trashy AND ALSO doesn’t haven’t ice, snow and cold.

Oh, I know the perfect place doesn't exist. I would rather be in the PNW though if I do stay in the US. I'm open to moving abroad again (lived in Germany several years and it had its issues too, but compared to what the US is becoming, it was quite pleasant)

That guy in the green t shirt in the Bisbee picture is fat. No thank you.

One of the many reasons I like Tucson more than Phoenix is that Tucson is more sensible about water. Phoenix is chockablock with pools and lawns and fountains and artificial lakes and is due to run out of water within decades, while Tucson has encouraged everyone to get rid of their fucking lawns and put in desert landscaping and NOT run out of water if they can help it. Which does, in my opinion, make Tucson the more attractive and unique place, it looks like a desert city, not a city that is trying to pretend it's not in the desert.

Is there any sense of water awareness in Phoenix?

Kiss my grits!

Mel's Diner is still there. It's located on Grand Avenue in central Phoenix (near the State Fairgrounds).

Tucson is cleaner, more liberal, more gay friendly, artsy and they dont have smog. Yes, Phoenix has more than just massive dust storms, they have smog like LA used to in the 70's before they passed laws to tap down car pollution.

People in the west in general don't laugh, particularly at themselves. That's very true.

Tucson is more fun than Phoenix, but if you aren't a student or retiree, how do you pay the bills there? It seems like jobs are few and far between.

[quote] Are those Kellyanne's pussy fumes spreading over the city of Phoenix?

Well it ain't called a haboob for nothing.

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Ah, yet another DL thread chock-a-block with queens with nasty personalities who're only interested in talking about how much they hate everything and how nothing is good enough for them because they're just such exceptional human beings who deserve nothing less than perfection in every thing and every place.

But then anyone with any brains knows the vast majority of people like that live miserable lives, and talking shit is a way of life for them.

I worked at the university when I lived in Tucson. Nice town really but better when you are about 20.

I had a friend who lived there once, and then she died.

I went to school in Tucson and couldn't wait to move out. You're not just living in the desert, but living isolated in the desert. There are no surrounding cities or suburbs.

Unless you're Paul McCartney and can afford to buy a massive horse ranch, or stay at the La Paloma hotel where Arizona celebrities go when they're in town, you're better off living in Phoenix if you're used to living in a city with up-to-date modern conveniences and want options of things to do.

Agree about Tucson. I went to U of A. Kinda beat up in a cool way, but a very slow and pokey lifestyle. Not far off from this description:

Tucson, he thought, would offer respite. As a "jaded and dust-covered traveler," he later wrote in a series of articles for Harper's Magazine and in his best-selling book Adventures in the Apache Country: A Tour Through Arizona and Sonora, 1864, he was hoping "to enjoy all the luxuries of civilization which an ardent imagination may lead (a visitor) to expect in the metropolis of Arizona."

But instead of a gleaming city, he found a hellhole not unlike "what Sodom and Gomorrah must have been before they were destroyed by the vengeance of the Lord."

In one of the most damning screeds in the annals of the pioneer West, Browne described Tucson as "a city of mud boxes, dingy and dilapidated, cracked and baked into a composite of dust and filth; littered about with broken corrals, sheds, bake-ovens, carcasses of dead animals, and broken pottery; barren of verdure, parched, naked, and grimly desolate in the glare of a southern sun.

"Adobe walls without whitewash inside or out, hard earth-floors, baked and dried Mexicans, sore-backed burros, coyote dogs, and terra-cotta children."

"Soldiers, teamsters, and honest miners lounging about the mescal-shops, soaked with the fiery poison; a noisy band of Sonorian buffoons, dressed in theatrical costume, cutting their antics in the public places to the most diabolical din of fiddles and guitars ever heard; a long train of Government wagons preparing to start for Fort Yuma or the Rio Grande—these are what the traveler sees, and a great many things more, but in vain he looks for a hotel or lodging-house.

"The best accommodations he can possibly expect are the dried mud walls of some unoccupied outhouse, with a mud floor for his bed; his own food to eat, and his own cook to prepare it; and lucky he is to possess such luxuries as these."

Red neck, not gay-friendly, nonprogressive.

It is hot and full of rich Republicans. It is beautiful, though, in a strange way. I hate the reality of the desert (i.e. the heat), but there are stunning things about it. The rock formations and sunsets you get in Arizona are unreal. My ex-stepdad's family lived in Phoenix and I spent some time there; I'm not sure I'd want to live there because of the weather, but, coming from the Pacific Northwest, the natural scenery always seemed so exotic to me. I remember they had a massive saguaro cactus in the backyard next to the swimming pool, and there were owls that lived in it.

R124 They aren’t really all that rich if they moved to the boring oven that is Phoenix. They like feeling Nouveau Riche with their huge house and huge pool that costs as much as a tiny condo in LA.

Phoenix wants to be the L.A. of the border. Silly people, they are such try-hards.

Fair enough R125; I know Arizona is known for attracting those types. My stepdad's family was actually wealthy though--all old money lawyers and businesspeople--so the places/personalities I was exposed to there may have colored my impression of the people in general. It was very WASP-y.

[quote] I had a friend who lived there once, and then she died

She is supposed to be a very dear fried.

I suppose you can do worse than Phoenix. One update is the rents have soared in the past 2 years. Not to California levels but it is starting to seem like less of a deal. I love the heat. I even look forward to summer. My main complaint is the political situation but perhaps we have turned a corner with the recent election of 5 democratic women.

Geographically the Phoenix area is incredible. But I could never live there in the hot months. Dry heat or not, 115°f is oppressive and dangerous for human beings.

The Cellblock is THE gay bar that everyone goes to. It's always packed. Other than that their's not much gay scene.

R125 = typical WeHo queen who is not nearly as interesting as she thinks she is

The friendliest guys are at Charlie's bar on Camelback. There was also another bear/leather bar not far from Charlie's that closed in the early 2000s that was good.

Is the nudie bar still there?

Nudie bar? Tell me more.

R133 thanks for the tip. I went to Charlie's tonight and had a lot of fun

[quote]Is the nudie bar still there?

If you're referring to Dick's Cabaret, yes it is.

[quote] Racist Californians moved there to get away from brown people and not pay taxes.

I don't think this is true. I think a lot moved out there in the 90s-00s because housing was big and affordable vs. California. Vegas, too.

The truly racist ones moved to places like Idaho.

Phoenix is hard the place for white people to move if they hate racial minorities. Almost half the city is Hispanic.

Most of the ex-Californians I've met in Phoenix have been black, Hispanic or Asian. It seems like the Asian population is growing pretty rapidly. Lots of boba places & some pretty good restaurants. in the East Valley.

Maricopa County voters elected Joe Arpaio as Sherriff six times before finally discarding him in 2016. Sadly, he's running again in 2020.

If that isn't enough to turn you off of Phoenix, it's also brutally hot there for half the year. I lived there 3 years and would never go back.

[quote]Phoenix wants to be the L.A. of the border.

Phoenix isn't on any border. Nogales is.

[quote]Phoenix wants to be the L.A. of the border.

Phoenix isn't on any border. Nogales is.

R125 is the typical queen filled to the brim with queer envy of anyone who has it better than him, which is most people.

When I visited Phoenix (also Mesa) I felt like a gorgeous supermodel, never seen so many homely people of all races. (I have never been to the south though.)

R138, I lived in Las Vegas in that era (90s-00’s). Californians were then moving to Las Vegas because houses were extremely cheap. You could get a nice townhouse for around $150,000 when I got here (2002). One person I met when I got here told me she and her husband bought a beautiful house in Henderson for even less in the 90’s. Henderson is a suburb south of Vegas, very nice and now very developed. If they’re still there, she’s in a really nice area now. At the time, her husband was a student and she worked at the airport and they could afford to buy it. They just came at the right time.

My house doubled in value in less than ten years. Then the recession hit. People that came early, their houses declined significantly in value, but they bought them so cheap it didn’t matter. Somebody who bought right before the crash was underwater. A lot of people walked away from upside down houses. The recession hit very hard here.

Right before the crash, people quit moving here and moved to Phoenix, which was even cheaper then. I even knew people who sold their Vegas house at the height of the market, moved to Phoenix, then moved back because it was too red and they hated it.

Heading out to the Cellblock tonite, bitches.

If you are gay, DO NOT move to this hideous homophobic wasteland, trust me...

Well R147, according to the internet Cellblock is closed.

[QUOTE]If you are gay, DO NOT move to this hideous homophobic wasteland, trust me...

I made the mistake of moving from Albuquerque to Phoenix 6 months ago and I regret it every day.

Phoenix truly is a toxic wasteland.

I'd live in Phoenix over Albuquerque in a second.

DL only likes New York and Los Angeles and now both of those citiies are over too.

Is LA over, though? I thought it was still edgy, with all those teeming hoardes of homeless people.

LA is not over, I kind of wish it was, the influx of people moving here is off the charts! Dozens of highrise buildings in downtown going up and full as soon as they open the doors. 3 new gay bars. New hotels all over Hollywood, and Wiltshire Blvd etc. Even Long Beach which used to be cheap is now getting a bit pricey. Lots of younger people seem to be coming from the UK. Long before Brexit. People from SF who see LA as a bargain for rent while they telecommute. And of course your typical east coast wannabes who move to Hollywood to "make it". But they act like a-holes, complain people are unfriendly and complain every day how they cant get good pizza and bagels and how it's its not as good as NY. But they never move back. Brag to their friends back east after living here for a couples of years they consider themselves native Californians or the word I hate most "Cali". Ugh.

As a NYer, I’d agree it’s over. But LA is on the rise. Price increases there are insane and the ratio of income to housing prices is out of control. I see LA getting more crowded and expensive. Yet you still need a car in most of the LA.

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