Discussion on White Privilege leads white southern students to burn book by Latina Author

I'm sure they were just cold post-lecture on this chilly Fall evening.

Charming, if book burning is their take-away from the encounter.

But the author might also take a look at her approach, if not her message. These are young people: her age, status, and education also "privilege" her, relatively speaking. And she's doing not doing right by shutting down the conversation.

People are getting sick of this shit. Not all of these kids have the same type of privilege. There are wealthy latina families and poor white families.

Well that kicked off.

R3 white privilege is not based on finances alone, sweetie. Get educated.

People who go around accusing others of being "toxic" will end up friendless.

Loneliness is a high price to pay for being independent.

She really knew her audience well.

Yet another example of how society is on the brink of total collapse. Both of these idiots are wrong. The author wouldn’t even attempt to listen to their point without spouting her rhetoric, and the book burners were so determined to demonize her that they didn’t even try to hear what she had to say about race. Discussion is dead and there’s no such thing as debate anymore. This is just an example of how this country is headed for destruction. We’ve become a nation of idiots incapable of even talking to each other without taking sides and ignoring opposition.

But according to DL, Latinos are white.😏. This woman obviously does not agree.

[quote] White people need to realize that they are the problem and that their privilege is toxic. Author is a woman of color.”

Why does a white latina get to call herself a woman of color when middle eastern people are considered white?

Kids to not go to college to hear this shit.

No one outside of the DL considers Latinos or Middle Eastern people white.

Why are the vast majority of these SJWs screaming " white privilege" as the only answer to opposing ideas invariably young women?

"Why does a white latina get to call herself a woman of color when middle eastern people are considered white?"

They aren't.

One of the many reasons I don’t want to go to college and would rather go to a tech school. College has become less about learning and more about politics. I don’t want to waste hundreds of thousands just to be screamed at about my white male privilege. No thanks.

Middle eastern people can be very dark or very light. This author looks white. If she feels the others are privileged because they were born here or don't speak with an accent, then she should just say that instead of making everything about skin color.

Students don't like words written so they burn the book. Hub-boy.

[quote] “White people need to realize that they are the problem and that their privilege is toxic. Author is a woman of color.”

If that's the problem, then what is the solution? This country has been white majority and has been the global leader in diversity. We pass laws on the books that guarantee equal opportunity and promote fairness. What these people are talking about are unconscious biases. If it bothers you so much that you are judged for your race by a certain segment of the population who have no legal recourse to discriminate against you, then why make race your entire platform?

Being fair skinned doesn’t mean you are white. Middle Eastern people aren’t white simply because they’re fair skinned. Their lineage is often different from Europeans.

Being a “white” Latina does not change the fact you’re Latina. Huge majority of Latino people are in deep poverty like black people and face the same discrimination, even if they look white, because of their last name. This is why many Latino people of the past would change their names when they came to the USA, to be able to work good jobs.

Interesting that the most diverse populations are considered the most racist. Israel is one of the most multicultural countries in the world and are faced with much of the same criticism. I don't get it.

This annoying woman has written something called 'Make Your Home Among Strangers'.

The home-owners have decided they don't want this annoying stranger in their home.

OP = worse than Hitler and preachy Latinas with a thyroid problem

[quote] Among the estimated 42.7 million U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry in 2015, nine-in-ten (89%), or about 37.8 million, self-identify as Hispanic or Latino. But another 5 million (11%) do not consider themselves Hispanic or Latino, according to Pew Research Center estimates. The closer they are to their immigrant roots, the more likely Americans with Hispanic ancestry are to identify as Hispanic. Nearly all immigrant adults from Latin America or Spain (97%) say they are Hispanic. Similarly, second-generation adults with Hispanic ancestry (the U.S.-born children of at least one immigrant parent) have nearly as high a Hispanic self-identification rate (92%), according to Pew Research Center estimates.

[quote] By the third generation – a group made up of the U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and immigrant grandparents – the share that self-identifies as Hispanic falls to 77%. And by the fourth or higher generation (U.S.-born children of U.S.-born parents and U.S.-born grandparents, or even more distant relatives), just half of U.S. adults with Hispanic ancestry say they are Hispanic.

Fair skinned middle eastern person here born and raised in the USA. Been accused of white privilege. The whole point of unconscious bias is people assume your race without knowing anything about you. If you look white, you're white.

“Latin” is not a race. It is an ethnicity that can include any race.

R22 Why do people try to derail active threads when a similar thread has comparatively fewer posts?

She looka like a white.

R26, maybe R22 started the other thread.

[quote]“Latin” is not a race. It is an ethnicity that can include any race.

Let’s get real - anyone that isn’t pale as a wall and has skin that is tan or darker is not considered white.

R29 Then so much for white privilege. What you describe is pretty much everyones' ideal type.

R26, r22 is the OP of the other thread, and considers this thread to be nothing more than a tarty upstart.

Isn't it cultural appropriation for a Latina to write about white people?

The author is White and her name Jennine Capó Crucet would lead most to think she is of French descent.

Cut the oppressed "Latina" crap.

Even the white latinas look different. R33 she doesn’t look all that white to me.

R34 She looks pretty average to me. There's nothing unusual about her whatsoever.

[quote]Even the white latinas look different. [R33] she doesn’t look all that white to me.

She's White. White as plenty of Europeans. And her name I'm is French.

The left’s platform is anti white

She's found a gig. A cause that a certain group of SJW White people lap up.

All of the Cuban Americans I've known feel second to no one.

The lefts platform is for EQUALITY.

[quote]The lefts platform is for EQUALITY.

It used to be.

Now it's about division.

No sweetie. That’s you Trumptards

okay, sorry, but aren't Cubans the least oppressed Hispanics? Instant citizenship, no ICE to worry about, pretty much their own city, Miami, and a state that every dickwad running for President has to run down to, to pledge their eternal belief that Cuba should be returned to the mobbed up fascists that used to run the place before Castro?

[Quote]The author is White and her name Jennine Capó Crucet would lead most to think she is of French descent.

She's probably an octoroon.

R41 has limited intelligence

The right engages in identity politics as well but calling white people toxic is just shooting yourself in the foot. White people are the most militant SJWs.

I think a big part of the problem is that part of white privilege is that you can make the decision to be ignorant about what white privilege is.

And you get to decide who is white or not.

On DL and everyone, white people get to push their idea of what white privilege is. They usually say it does not exist by trying to connect it to how rich someone is.

And the very form of their denial proves that it is a very real thing.

[quote]“real thing that you are actually benefiting from right now in even asking this question.”

How is the student asking a question white privilege?

Does anyone believe a woman who looks like that ( R33 ) and named Jennine Capó Crucet faces racial discrimination?

Gimme a break.

Who exactly gets to decide who is white r46? Who should? A lot of very white looking people get to decide they are non-white, and the rest go along with it. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Not sure, but it all does seem pretty arbitrary. Are literal Caucasians, you know, the people from the Caucuses Mountain region, white? They tend to be Moslems, long oppressed by the Soviet Union and now oppressed by local dictators, so People of Color? Who knows? It's all very arbitrary.

[quote]Who exactly gets to decide who is white [R46]? Who should?

If I must...

This blanquita really wrote a book called “My Time Among The Whites.”

Elevating JCC as a spokesperson for nonwhites is like elevating Nico Tortarella as a spokesperson for queer people.

White people are so fragile.

And always will be too.

R53, bitter black b itch

White people are awful.

I actually would like an answer: who is White? Who isn't? Why?

[quote]This country has been white majority and has been the global leader in diversity.

I think the key words in that sentence are "has been".

We're certainly diverse, if by "diverse" you mean the opportunity to suffer discrimination equally at the hands of a white-Christian-male-dominated power structure. For example, aside from the [italic]female[/italic] police office in Texas this week, when was the last time a cop went to prison for killing an innocent black man when he reached for his cellphone? We even think it's an appropriate use of force for a fully adult white make to be so frightened of a black child playing in the park that he pulls his gun and shoots him less than 15 seconds after arriving on the scene. But if you're white and male, you can literally walk down the middle of the street waving an AR-15 and making verbal threats to kill the first n****r you see, and the police address you as "sir" and politely ask you to "please put down the gun" (after which the NRA chastises the cops for violating the AR-15-waving lunatic's Second Amendment rights).

[quote]We pass laws on the books that guarantee equal opportunity and promote fairness.

Name the last law passed that "guarantee[s] equal opportunity and promote[s] fairness." I'm guessing you'll have to go back decades to find an example; certainly, one that was passed by Congress and enacted federally. And then we either a) ignore them (think: Joe Arpaio); b) rescind them (think: the Supreme Court's gutting of the Voting Rights Act of 1964); or c) pass worse laws (ahem... stand your ground) that conflict with equal opportunity laws so that they can be tied up in the courts for decades while we go back-and-forth over which constituency has the last say or how the laws are implemented or some other bullshit excuse for doing everything except the right one. Then, to make matters worse, we pass laws that target minority communities with surgical precision without mentioning race, ethnicity or religion (thereby giving the white-Christian-male power structure excuse after excuse to deny equity).

The United States remains a deeply racist nation. For a brief time, we led the world on this and many other topics, but we've flushed that all down the toilet beginning with electing Reagan and finishing the job (as the last remnants of our decency swished down the drain) by electing Donald Trump.

But yeah, let's worry about Rachel Dolezal claiming blackness or some Latina author irritating white college students' sense of justice.

College quiz: True or False, Snowflakes are White.

A guest professor and novelist was INVITED to talk about her novel (not thesis or research) which was required reading for some.

A freshman (born 2001) asked, “I noted that you made a lot of generalizations about the majority of white people being privileged,”

“What makes you believe that it’s OK to come to a college campus, like this, when we are supposed to be promoting diversity on this campus, which is what we’re taught. I don’t understand what the purpose of this was.”

She was invited! That was the fucking purpose. Grow the fuck up.

[quote]For example, aside from the female police office in Texas this week, when was the last time a cop went to prison for killing an innocent black man

I don't know if it's the "last time," but when I googled it the link was the first result.

I think R8 is on the right track with

[quote]The author wouldn’t even attempt to listen to their point without spouting her rhetoric, and the book burners were so determined to demonize her that they didn’t even try to hear what she had to say about race.

Communication is heavy on hyperbole and memes. Propaganda is not just in the hands of a government minister anymore - propaganda has been democratized and everybody participates.

[Quote]I actually would like an answer: who is White? Who isn't? Why?

In the US, that's been a dilemma since slavery. Biracial children of black slave mothers were considered both slaves and black. The children of a biracial female slave and a white man were also considered slaves and black. And so on.

After slavery, many states codified what percentage of African blood would categorize a person as black. That percentage would generally range from 1/4 to 1/8 (25% to 12.5%). In some states, ANY known African ancestry made a person black.

That's why that, even today, people can't agree on what makes a person white. Is it pure European bloodlines? Is it just a convincing caucasian appearance? Perhaps the question should be: "Why does it matter to be white to other white people?"

Fun fact. There is more than black and white r60

This bitch is whiter than most "white" people.

And Cubans are the MOST privileged of all Latinos.

Book burners are always in the wrong. Always.

r54, nasty white fag.

[quote]White people are so fragile.

R53 So fragile yet conquered the world.

[quote]The United States remains a deeply racist nation.

Obviously you've never set foot out of the US.

[quote] Growing up in Miami, Cuban-American author Jennine Capó Crucet saw herself as a white Latina. It wasn’t until college and graduate school that she started to challenge her understanding of race, class and power in America.

So she grew up with white privilege which extended into her college AND graduate school days (sounds like privilege to me) before she decided, apropos of nothing, that she was somehow oppressed.

Cunt.

R67 Worse, she's using her "oppression" to sell books and become relevant.

Out in the street white privilege is about what color you appear to be to white people and how that makes them treat you either like "one of them" or treat you like an outsider.

With govt institutions and societal structures your color AND your actual ethnic classification determines how you are placed in white society's mind and if you will be treated favorably or unfavorably.

White privilege means that whiteness is the benchmark for desirability, it is the benchmark for how you will be treated by government institutions depending on what interaction you have with them. It is the standard for beauty, intelligence, aptitude, competency etc. If you are not white in color it is naturally assumed you fall below the white benchmark and that makes it necessary and correct for you to be treated worse in society and by govt agencies. It also makes it correct for your needs, whether for basic survival or judicial, to go ignored, because you are not white.

That is white privilege.

I guess it's true what they say, white religious southerners have a lot of fear on their death beds.

The remorse and compassion they should've had in life suddenly appears when their getting ready to exit the world.

A guilty conscience is the most prominent those final moments are near.

No peace, that's most white people/men down south.

R69 What bullshit. Are you writing from 1962?

What is a white Latina? Is she half white and half latina? Just because you have lighter skin it doesn't make you any less latina.

Fellow white Cuban American Latina: Ms Cameron Diaz -

R67, she jumped ship

Fellow white Cuban American Latino: Mr Ryan Lochte -

Team Students. My feet itch to get away whenever some idiot cunt thinks she needs to educate me on White Privilege. Especially when she assumes I am straight on top of it. Fuck her.

^ Oops:

r71 What world are you living in that you haven't noticed that racial problems in the US are at an all time high and still emerging the same way they did in 1962, fueled by the circus peanut in the oval office?

Even mainstream media has admitted racial tensions are at an all time high. Guess you missed all that drama that just happened in Texas where the white lady cop shot that Black guy because she thought it was her apartment and then the Black neighbor who testified just happened to get gunned down in the street outside the same building, which is in a good neighborhood, just recently.

Guess you missed all the kneeling controversy in the NFL fueled by racial injustice.

There are also lots of other recent examples in the last 15 years you fucking moronic asshole.

[Quote]Fun fact. There is more than black and white [R60]

Your point, r61?

But if there is someone who is half white/Latina and has darker features it makes them more Latina than a lighter skinned Latina? Bullshit!

[quote] White privilege means that whiteness is the benchmark for desirability, it is the benchmark for how you will be treated by government institutions depending on what interaction you have with them. It is the standard for beauty, intelligence, aptitude, competency etc. If you are not white in color it is naturally assumed you fall below the white benchmark and that makes it necessary and correct for you to be treated worse in society and by govt agencies. It also makes it correct for your needs, whether for basic survival or judicial, to go ignored, because you are not white.

There is so much wrong with your post. People of color are not denied government services because of their race or national identity. Moreover, government does not determine the standards for beauty, intelligence, or aptitude. Some may argue the need for government imposed quotas when it comes to hiring, but that in itself is problematic. Could it be your thoughts on this issue is based on your own personal prejudices and your just projecting?

R46, who ever claimed that Crucet faced racial discrimination?

Once again a white person decides that white privilege is about something that makes it easy for them to dismiss.

Lets make it easy---a bunch of white students burn the books of a non-white author because they do not like how she talks about ethnicity. And they face no disciplinary action.

Imagine a bunch of black or latinx students doing the same with books by a white author, who said things they did not like about race.

Do you really think a DL thread would blame the author rather than the students? And do you really think they would not face discipline from their school?

"People of color are not denied government services because of their race or national identity."

No, they just get arrested for entering their own home, stopped by police if they are in the wrong neighborhood.

Go to the DMV sometime and notice how differently white and black people are treated....

R82 Similarly, no one is claiming the book burners were right either. Our arguments about the author are based on substance. If anything, the book burners are just going to increase her public profile. I'm sure she's not too bothered by it.

r81 use your brain, govt also concerns rights and how you are viewed under the law, not just services.

Some of you are either willfully ignorant or just plain stupid or a measure of both.

Oooooohoohooohoo @ R64. Couldn't help yourself, could ya? Typical LSA loon---no impulse control. Those idiots drop the F bomb like clockwork in these threads.

Why are you even here? Go back to your cesspool.

I have a question for the non-White DL'ers, how is constantly telling Whites they are privileged going to improve non-Whites' situation? Do you think Whites will step aside in some way and let non-Whites go to the head of the line, or what?

[quote]Worse, she's using her "oppression" to sell books and become relevant.

Guaranteed she paid the book burners. Her silly little book had no traction until this "news" story.

"What world are you living in that you haven't noticed that racial problems in the US are at an all time high"

My world is Atlanta and I can assure you racial problems are the opposite of an all time high. Black and white get along perfectly because (a) we have to since there are so many of us and (b) we are used to since our population is not new to diversity (though nobody calls it that here. It's just the South).

I'd ask what world YOU"RE in actually and what you think you are seeing. How do some of you sad fools get through an average day?

Well r87 you missed the part where r53 was called a bitter black bitch by r54.

P.S. I don't think a minority member has actually ever talked to me about white privilege. For me, it's always some blonde white bimbo who benefited from it her whole life, starting with Daddy's money, and then batted many an eyelash to get out of traffic tickets. Then decided to look "woke" and start bitching about the same privilege like an idiot. Fuck 'em.

R90 I wonder how much of peoples' opinions are based on actual life experiences or what they see on TV. A lot of academia is very insulated from the real world.

The racial majority always enjoys privilege.

[quote]Imagine a bunch of black or latinx students doing the same with books by a white author, who said things they did not like about race. Do you really think a DL thread would blame the author rather than the students? And do you really think they would not face discipline from their school?

LOL. Oh honey, please. Guess you forgot all about the arrogant, entitled pigs who presumed to scream at an esteemed Yale college professor with NO consequences. BTW--all of them were/are extremely privileged brats.

r90 I'm elder gay, I live in Los Angeles and I'm from New York. I watched the civil rights movement on tv news. Dogs, fire hoses, sit ins, Black peaceful protesters being dragged through the streets by cops.

I also remember hearing about the the thriving Black towns that existed in this country after slavery ended that got burned to the ground because even when we separated ourselves and thrived on our own white people SOUGHT US OUT to destroy our lives.

The hostility I've experienced personally, friends and family things haven't gotten much better since the 60's. It only seems not as bad if you are white or Black and rich and can live in a bubble.

R83, again, part of white privilege is getting to decide what other people want.

A woman had to be moved from her hotel and speaking events cancelled for fear of her physical safety--but you get to announce that she is okay with it because it publicizes her book.

And it is okay that the school does nothing about this because no one is saying that the students were right.

So to summarize: --physical danger is okay because she is getting free PR --no disciplinary action to the students who created the physical threat because no one thinks they were right

Now can we get black students off for bad behavior if we all agree that they were in the wrong?

Do you really think that is how it works?

R92, No. Hot blonds don't give two shits about white privilege. They are too busy living life and enjoying their privilege. The only white women who give it any thought at all look like this:

"“What makes you believe that it’s OK to come to a college campus, like this, when we are supposed to be promoting diversity on this campus, which is what we’re taught. I don’t understand what the purpose of this was.”

Argumentative and trying her hardest to look smart (bless)....she sounds like a Datalounger.

R95, how is that equivalent?

I guess if you want to bring in false equivalences we can really escalate this since students are always mouthing off about stupid shit.

^Her question was 1000 x smarter than that dim bulb's answer.

Did you even watch that shameful display, R100?

[quote] A woman had to be moved from her hotel and speaking events cancelled for fear of her physical safety--but you get to announce that she is okay with it because it publicizes her book.

Oh please. No one threatened her.

[quote]What world are you living in that you haven't noticed that racial problems in the US are at an all time high and still emerging the same way they did in 1962, fueled by the circus peanut in the oval office?

You mean like all the BLM protests during the Obama administration?

[quote]Lets make it easy---a bunch of white students burn the books of a non-white author because they do not like how she talks about ethnicity.

Non-white author? Uh...no... she's White.

This bitch is whiter than Rachel Dolezal.

What the hell do you expect at some redneck school in Georgia?

R78 No, the left's current platform is Self-Hatred and Virtue-Signalling.

R91, so racism is not okay, but homophobia is....on a gay board? By responding in kind, LSA loon loses ALL credibility. And so do you for agreeing that she's justified in her childish response.

[quote]What the hell do you expect at some redneck school in Georgia?

This kind of casual bigotry by the left makes me LOL. R107 would no doubt scream bloody murder if anyone DARED to say, "what do you expect from a bunch of (fill in the blank with your favorite derogatory term for POCs)."

White Latinos are the most racist people. They're really awful when it comes to the Mestizos and black Latinos.

good. i look forward to the coming blacklash, all of this idiocy has to stop.

Some say that Trump's presidency is the backlash. Does that please you?

Humans are beyond tired of this PC madness

No way a hot bitch like that doesn't have lots of advantages.

R103, you are right. No one did threaten her. No news story ever claimed that they did. Are you merely restating the obvious. Or are you claiming the author says she way threatened as one of those fabricated drama queen details people make up to discredit incidents that are inconvenient?

So what were the students doing in front of the hotel?

Why did the university go in so fast to move her before she returned to the hotel?

Was the University over reacting to a crowd of autograph seekers?

I'm claiming she's full of shit and knows how to milk a story.

But you knew that.

People are being distracted by "white privilege" so we won't all get together to fight the real enemy, the economically privileged.

Eat the rich.

"Middle eastern people can be very dark or very light."

So can Black people.

In fact, this describes EVERY race.

R57, I wish I could give you a million ww.

Taxpayer money goes to funding racist horseshit like this. The woman's a grifter riding the wallets of white people with no self-respect.

^ I hope the sociopath in that link isn't being paid with taxpayers' money.

Would she have been considered a ‘woman of color’ in the Jim Crow era South? If she’s non-white, then every person south of Belgium is non-white.

There are a number of DLers from Flyoverstan who cling to the early 1800s definition of "whiteness" -- people from the British Isles and (maybe) Scandinavians, Germans and Dutch. Not that different from how the Brits divide the world

But in reality, various ethnic groups that were subject to prejudice have become "white" over time-- the Irish, the Italians, the Jews, Poles, etc., and in recent years, white Latinos like Ms. Crucet. This is especially true of many younger Cubans who were born in the US and have anglicized first names. If, for instance, Marco Rubio was called Marc Rubio, I suspect the vast majority of people meeting him for the first time would assume he was Italian-American

All that said, the whole yelling "white privilege" at white people who don't feel like they have much privilege seems incredible counterproductive and something we will shake our heads about in 20 years

^^Also remember that DLers shrieking "Italians aren't white" are likely over 65 and came from an era when that was likely the conventional wisdom in the town they grew up in

If the book had been written by a woman who looked more like the woman below, I think it would have more credibility.

I agree with above poster: the White/Spanish/French author is a phony and a grifter.

And just in time to support the "Italians became white" theory--oddly enough the NYT has a feature story called just that today

The PC madness was born and bred at the Ivies, which I believe, are in the East.

She's beige.

So let me get this straight.

--Some students ask angry questions

--Some students burn books

--Some student gather outside the hotel where the author is staying.

--The university moves the author to another hotel and cancels her remaining events.

--The school paper reports this and other news outlets pick up the story (adding little or no reporting on their own).

But it is the author who is milking this. It is the author who set all this in motion by being too PC.

So instead of challenging her on her white privilege approach or discussing how they don't agree, they burnt her book.

They are wasting their parent's money in that university

R125: The whole white privilege looks terribly absurd looking it from outside.

First, not being profiled by the police by the color of your skin is not a privilege it's a right, and if the USA police worked like in other countries that would be pretty clear. The same with clerks that think you are going to rob them just because you are black or latino, it's not the white clients the ones privileged, are the non whites the ones who are being discriminated.

The whole concept put the focus not on the one who suffers discrimination or the one who is discriminating but in the passive subject who is not suffering the discrimination.

But the worst part is the concept of white privilege is counterproductive because the white people who understand it are generally educated and from middle-high class, but calling privileged to someone just for the fact of being white when he or she maybe are poor as rats and watch a very dark future ahead them have generally the opposite efect of what is intended.

Because i suppose the whole concept is to make white people aware of the discrimination that non whites suffer and not just a way to shut conversations and shame people

The Nazis burned books, so did the Communists. What a dire state of affairs we are now in.

White privilege is has become an unhelpful and reductive term.

What should be focused on, us a properly funded education system, with a focus on independent learning and critical thinking skills, properly nutrirtoned children, health-care that is properly funded, to family planning as well as alcohol and drug education.

Those steps, in themselves will enable more poor white and minorities to rise through the social system, and eventually make changes to everyone's benefit.

No-one is entitled to anything that they have not worked for, that includes trust fund babies, but everyone is entitled to learn the right tools and skills to take advantage of the opportunities, when necessary.

And poor white people certainly don't feel privileged.

All those who claim "white privilege" is rampant should see " Slave Play." You'd love it, and it might help keep it going, since no one sees it now.

Slave Play is a tool of white privilege.

She looks Jewish to me, I'd never guess she was Latina.

I see the racists are here today. The amount of racist shit posted here, the WW numbers, the crybaby troll "not wanting to go to college" LOL. It's a troll raid by racists. I can assure you will never see 80% of the people on this thread ever again here.

She has one of many low-intelligence face compositions. Her particular markers: Droopy bug eyes, buck teeth, small chin.

These facial symptoms transcend ethnicity by the way.

Long, nasty stringy hair.

r138 nobody elected your ass judge and jury.

R138 is a total asshole, the type that Trumpsters love, because the assholes on the left just drive everyone away tot he Trump camp.

It seems the more we engage in discussions of “privilege “ the more divisive things become. Why do people seem to forget that in this country, privilege is all around us and we all have it in some form. There is an abundance of opportunity in this country. If you’re too stupid to seek it out and find a way, then you shall be less privileged than someone like me, I suppose. I’m a liberal type of guy, but I’m incredibly tired of all this non-sense rhetoric about race. If you can’t figure out how to do life and at least be a little bit happy, then you deserve your misery.

Reparations now! That'll get me elected.

R47 To these people, a student asking a question is white privilege because they’re questioning things. SJW’s have a nazious view that’s eerily similar to Trump’s. Questioning the authority makes you a traitor/racist. It’s all very totalitarian.

[quote] So let me get this straight.

Yes, please do.

[quote] --Some students ask angry questions

Angry questions? You mean they dared question being told they were evil, privileged white people, especially by a privileged author who went to undergrad and grad and who presents as white as they do, and were then told they were even more evil?

[quote] --Some students burn books

Yes, this happened and I can't condone it.

[quote] --Some student gather outside the hotel where the author is staying.

[quote] --The university moves the author to another hotel and cancels her remaining events.

I question that either of these things happened. And how can the university cancel her remaining events at other schools? This was likely worded incorrectly on your part and you meant she or her reps canceled them. And they canceled them why? Because her brand of scold didn't go over the way she expected and she didn't want to have to go through it again. And of course, to present it as she "feels unsafe" makes her a martyr and helps sell books.

[quote] --The school paper reports this and other news outlets pick up the story (adding little or no reporting on their own).

Sure, other newspapers just HAPPENED to pick it up. The publisher's PR firm couldn't have possibly tipped them off. Authors do university tours why? To MAKE money by selling their books. If the students aren't buying her bullshit, then maybe the SJW twitterverse will when they read about this poor, oppressed faux-minority.

[quote] But it is the author who is milking this. It is the author who set all this in motion by being too PC.

Now you've got it.

Come on with the burning books MARY!ing. Context matters here. If your Deplorable uncle gave you a copy of "Art of the Deal" for Christmas and said, "Read this if you want to know the TRUTH!," wouldn't you be tempted to burn the thing? And if you threw it in the firepit, does that make you a Nazi?

They were forced to read the book. They paid for it (as you always pay for college texts). They burned the copy they owned. So what? Jesus, and you say Deplorables are excitable!

No r109 I'm pointing out that they both were antagonizing each other.

[quote] Come on with the burning books MARY!ing. Context matters here. If your Deplorable uncle gave you a copy of "Art of the Deal" for Christmas and said, "Read this if you want to know the TRUTH!," wouldn't you be tempted to burn the thing? And if you threw it in the firepit, does that make you a Nazi?

It's what it represents more than the actual act of it at this point.

Living every single day with institutionalized racism and then having to argue its very existence, is tiring, and saddening, and angering. Yet if we express any emotion while talking about it, we’re tone policed, told we're being angry. In fact, a key element in any racial argument in America is the Angry Black person, and racial discussions shut down when that person speaks. The Angry Black person invalidates any arguments about racism because they are “just being overly sensitive,” or “too emotional,” or– playing the race card. Or even worse, we're told that we are being racist (Does any intelligent person actually believe a systematically oppressed demographic has the ability to oppress those in power?) But here is the irony, here’s the thing that all the angry Black people know, and no calmly debating White people want to admit: The entire discussion of race in America centers around the protection of White feelings.

Ask any Black person and they'll tell you the same thing. The reality of thousands of innocent people raped, shot, imprisoned, and systematically disenfranchised are less important than the suggestion that a single White person might be complicit in a racist system. This is the country we live in. Millions of Black lives are valued less than a single White person’s hurt feelings. White people and Black people are not having a discussion about race. Black people, thinking as a group, are talking about living in a racist system. White people, thinking as individuals, refuse to talk about “I, racist” and instead protect their own individual and personal goodness. In doing so, they reject the existence of racism.

The reality of America is that White people are fundamentally good, and so when a white person commits a crime, it is a sign that they, as an individual, are bad. Their actions as a person are not indicative of any broader social construct. Even the fact that America has a growing number of violent hate groups, populated mostly by white men, and that nearly *all* serial killers are white men can not shadow the fundamental truth of white male goodness. In fact, we like White serial killers so much, we make mini-series about them. White people are good as a whole, and only act badly as individuals. People of color, especially Black people (but boy we can talk about
“The Mexicans” in this community) are seen as fundamentally bad.
There might be a good one — and we are always quick to point them
out to our friends, show them off as our Academy Award for “Best Non-Racist in a White Role” — but when we see a bad one, it’s just proof that
the rest are, as a rule, bad.

Oh, fuck off R150/151 and your simplistic shit. Get a job.

And White people, every single one of you, are complicit in this racism because you benefit directly from it. This is why I don't like the story of the good samaritan. Everyone likes to think of themselves as the person who sees someone beaten and bloodied and helps him out. That’s too easy. If I could re-write that story, I'd rewrite it from the perspective of Black America. What if the person wasn't beaten and bloody? What if it wasn't so obvious? What if they were just systematically challenged in a thousand small ways that actually made it easier for you to succeed in life? Would you be so quick to help then?
Or would you, like most White people, stay silent and let it happen?

Glad to block R150 - R154 and their evil divisionism. No wonder the Russians think we’re such easy targets.

Yes, blocked, but not before sprinkling a few FFs.

Interesting that the people who complain about black oppression are not the least bit bothered by some white woman co-opting their movement.

[quote] White people, thinking as individuals, refuse to talk about “I, racist” and instead protect their own individual and personal goodness. In doing so, they reject the existence of racism.

No one is denying that racism exists but saying it's a white problem, or that the institutions are fundamentally racist, is what people take issue with.

Perhaps those who cry white racism should stop and reflect. Millions of Asians move to the US and they don't run afoul of white racism. The Japanese were arrested by Franklin Roosevelt and put in prison. Yet the Japanese don't sit and have a pity party. Asians realize that the American Dream works for everyone. They toil away in shitty conditions, working in cramped kitchens of cheap Chinese restaurants. They keep their heads down and work their asses off. And as a result, they move up the ladder, and if not themselves, their children do. High schools and colleges are having a huge fight right now because they are admitting non-white Asians at a faster rate than blacks. This is a fight that the Supreme Court has to take up.

So if America is such a racist place, why are Asians excelling at a faster pace than white people?

I think there's an answer to your question, R159, when you refer to white people by their actual name... Caucasian.

The book burners probably have MAGA hats in their dorm rooms.

The book burners probably have MAGA hats in their dorm rooms.

[quote]But according to DL, Latinos are white.

Caucasian, not "white white."

[quote]And White people, every single one of you, are complicit in this racism because you benefit directly from it.

We've been hearing your whining for decades now. Meanwhile the lives of other ethnic groups continue to out pace you: median household income in the United States for Indians: $128,000....for East Asians: $85,349....for Blacks $30,555

Keep whining, you'll just continue to have shorter life spans, less money, and shitty neighborhoods.

[quote]They were forced to read the book. They paid for it (as you always pay for college texts). They burned the copy they owned. So what?

They didn't just throw it away or recycle it, dipshit. You may be dumb as a post but the rest of us know exactly what happened.

[quote]There is an abundance of opportunity in this country. If you’re too stupid to seek it out and find a way, then you shall be less privileged than someone like me, I suppose. I’m a liberal type of guy, but I’m incredibly tired of all this non-sense rhetoric about race. If you can’t figure out how to do life and at least be a little bit happy, then you deserve your misery.

Give it a rest. You're not liberal, your whole post is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and "everyone can be successful like me, because I'm not stupid like you" and "be happy even if you get shit on and if you're not happy when you get shit on, you deserve to be miserable."

You sound like a Christian conservative frau "telling it like it is" to her fellow frauen on Facebook.

[quote]People are being distracted by "white privilege" so we won't all get together to fight the real enemy, the economically privileged.

Notice that everyone skipped over this. Keep playing in the game created by your rich owners and see where it gets you.

Also, the invention of the phrase "white privilege" was done because the phrase "racially disadvantaged" became politically incorrect.

R167 The game is never going to stop being played because the common folk are easily manipulated. That’s why the 1% will always stay in power. Humans are stupid, greedy creatures and they see that and use it against us. The wheel will never be broken because we’re too stupid to break it.

Of course it was. Pretty soon White Privilege will be deemed politically incorrect and we’ll have a new phrase. That’s the follies of PC culture, it can’t be long lasting because it’s built on the framework of social media, which is a temporary thing. You can’t have rules for how society is supposed to conduct themselves if the basis for those rules is consistently changing and molding.

R159 you cannot be that stupid. Please tell me you're under 12 years old, because I refuse to believe that an adult can possibly be that stupid.

R169 Nice way to deflect. I'm not that poster but the fact remains: all ethnic groups Asians, Indians, African immigrants etc do better than African Americans. But keeping whining about "White Privilege", it will get you nowhere.

Why do you give White people so much power? What a loser mentality.

*But keep whining about

What changed between the end of the Civil War when black people began to fight their way upward in society and the 1960s when all the black neighborhoods that they had spend 80 years building into thriving communities starting going to hell? It's like the Harlem Renaissance era happened and then everyone decided that joining gangs and becoming drug dealers was a better life path. Even the older black people who can remember those days when black neighborhood didn't mean crime-ridden, drug-laden, gunfire-riddled cesspool run by loser thugs seem to wonder what the fuck happened.

The drug trade provided easy money, and a lot of it.

The funny thing about this is, the students could have easily checkmated her on her position. She uttered the familiar refrain about how everything they do stems from privilege, which is one of the cheesiest moves by those seeking to polish their oppression creds, but it’s incredibly easy to shoot down:

“So, by asking this question about your position on race, I’m demonstrating my privilege? Why is that exactly? Because nonwhite students are prevented from asking people about their motives in discussing race?” Anyone who’s been anywhere near a college campus knows how ludicrous a statement THAT would be.

But instead, they chose to prove her right, or at least the lesser of two evils. Never stop being you, American South.

[quote]What changed between the end of the Civil War when black people began to fight their way upward in society and the 1960s when all the black neighborhoods that they had spend 80 years building into thriving communities starting going to hell?

The Democrat Party. Post World War 2 was a time of prosperity for everyone. Was everything racially great? No. But blacks were rising in economic power. Detroit was a model for how blacks could raise themselves up, get jobs, become independent.

The 1960s hit, JFK was assassinated and that racist LBJ came in with the intent to keep blacks in their place. He created the "War On Poverty" and convinced black people that they needed the government to assist them. The Democrats decimated the black community.

[quote][R159] you cannot be that stupid. Please tell me you're under 12 years old, because I refuse to believe that an adult can possibly be that stupid.

If I'm stupid, then the rest of the United States is too. The Asian vs African-American college issue is going before the Supreme Court. And the question is: should Harvard be allowed to discriminate against Asian students by allowing in black students who are less smart than Asian applicants? So it's a very real scenario.

R173, wouldn't that have provided the same easy money to every community in the country? That seems too pat an answer. When did becoming educated start to become looked down in the black urban community? "Trying to be white?!" is thrown at the black kids who try to excel in school.

R175, so, the guy that championed the Civil Rights act is to blame, huh? Idiot. More white people are on welfare than black people. So are more corporations. Pull your head out of your ass and breathe in some reality.

[quote]More white people are on welfare than black people.

False.

You must consider percent of population.

[quote]so, the guy that championed the Civil Rights act is to blame, huh?

He had no problem using the "N" word. You tell me.

Cast a net over everybody who was born in the early 1900s and you might've gotten ten people who had never used the "N" word.

Why is no one in the Twitterati calling out this bitch for pretending to be a POC?

So, they already purchased the books, correct? ...

It's offensive that college "require" students to read this type of drivel.

Unless you are taking modern literature as an elective senior year or are in a contemporary issues course, they should stick to literature that has been around for at least 30 years and has stood the test of time as to accuracy and historical relevance.

R146

WTF?

Claiming that the university could not shut down events at other schools . Well, maybe, except that the cancelled events were also Georgia Southern events.

Questioning whether students were gathered outside the hotel or that the author was moved. What would a University gain by making such claims? If anything, it is against their interest to let this be known.

And all this because of outrage that someone has the audacity to not that white people have advantages over non-whites and ought to consider what those advantages are.

What nerve!

Of course I forget that because her skin is fair and her name is French, no one would ever know that she is not white. Even though she writes about Hispanic life and talks about growing up in a Hispanic home, everyone is going to assume that she is a white person doing this.

Jesus, are you still here fucking that chicken, R186? Every post your argument gets weaker. At this point it doesn't even sound like you believe it.

[quote]Of course I forget that because her skin is fair and her name is French, no one would ever know that she is not white. Even though she writes about Hispanic life and talks about growing up in a Hispanic home, everyone is going to assume that she is a white person doing this.

She benefits from White privilege just as must, if not more, than any of the students she was pointing fingers at.

*just as much,

She is white as fuck. Literally, she is paler than 80 percent of "white people.

Also, most American whites are from lower or lower-middle income families.

Also, most American whites have native American and black ancestry. Sorry if the truth hurts.

I highly recommend having a rich Dad. Life is great when you do.

Especially a responsible one who only had kids he waned and could take care of.

The answer is simple: Give monetary reparations to every black person as a payment for slavery, which has led to their oppression centuries later. It will solve problems. Bankrupt the country? Big deal. It sounds good.

R192 Cody Booker's not promising monetary reparations.

And, he has no chance.

[quote]Even though she writes about Hispanic life and talks about growing up in a Hispanic home, everyone is going to assume that she is a white person doing this.

Newsflash.... you can be white and hispanic!!!

Stories like this make me so grateful I am white.

R195 most aren't though, and I'm talking about the ones who are light. Most of them have African and native ancestry, and in north America that is not viewed as a white person.

I love this quaint idea that if you are black or latino, you will not face bigotry if you are light skinned.

Maybe this will be a surprise, but bigots do not actually care about the color of your skin. They care about ethnicity.

You can be an albino, and they will not consider you "white" in this context.

But I suspect everyone knows this, but they just bring up skin color as "proof" that white privilege does not exist or that this or that person has not faced bigotry because they have no actual argument to make.

[quote] [R195] most aren't though, and I'm talking about the ones who are light. Most of them have African and native ancestry, and in north America that is not viewed as a white person.

But SHE ie the subject is this thread, clearly does not.

She’s a Cuban of European descent Ie she is white.

[quote]I love this quaint idea that if you are black or latino, you will not face bigotry if you are light skinned. Maybe this will be a surprise, but bigots do not actually care about the color of your skin. They care about ethnicity.

So you're saying that everyone can face bigotry.

[quote]But in reality, various ethnic groups that were subject to prejudice have become "white" over time-- the Irish, the Italians, the Jews, Poles, etc.,

WTF--In what world are/were the Irish anything other than white? Seriously, you can't get much whiter. Same, but to a lesser extent, goes for Italians, Jews and Poles. None of these ethnic groups has every been anything other than Caucasian. Don't confuse poverty and working class culture with race, dimwit.

A lot of historians disagree with R201.

Yes, R202, link to an article from "The Root - Black News, Opinions, Politics and Culture" to enlighten us all about Irish history. LOL. The Irish were reviled, for sure, mainly because they were Catholic and poor. But in no way were they ever considered anything other than white.

The Irish were arguably the most despised immigrant group in American history, including Italians and Eastern European Jews.

Tell the KKK and other white supremacists about how "White" Jews are.

^Just because they hate Jews doesn't mean they considered them "non-white".

Read the Root article. It references a number of standard books. That is the point.

[quote]^Just because they hate Jews doesn't mean they considered them "non-white".

They do, idiot.

And Jews are not really white anyway. Go to Israel, you can't tell a Jew from an Arab unless they're wearing specific clothes.

Anyone care to make a wager about what Miss Thing’s birth certificate says her race is? Big money says it is “White.” Ask a Black Cuban or Black Cuban-American (include the Marielitos if you like) what they think of this poseur’s yammering. Lol & smdh…

Arabs are brown. They're not white. Maybe they'll "become white" in America someday, however.

So, R210, are Arabs more “brown” than Spaniards, Greeks, Italians, Albanians, Israelis, or the Portuguese?

R211, read the article. Yes, they are considered more brown than most of those groups. Israelis vary.

The way it is in America. Arabs are deemed brown.

I will read the article, R212, but please answer my question. I’m speaking literally, are you? Considered by whom?

R213, deemed by whom? Which way is it in America?

LOL. Can't get much whiter than me.

I read the article R212, but it offered very little new information. I’m an Italian-American, with family in New Orleans, I also have many African-Americans in my extended family. Meh.

I read your link, R213, but it didn’t address my question(s). Also, Islam is not a race, and there are millions of White Muslims.

I think both of you are really talking about skin color, not race. “Brown” is very relative, and does not negate “whiteness.” There are “dark skinned white folks.” I defy both of you to match each person to her/his country of origin if we put a person from each of the following countries in one room: Spain Portugal, Greece, Italy, Albania, Israel, Palestine, Armenia, and Syria. Disagree?

My beef is with charlatans like this “author” who I think are coopting the Civil Rights movement, and its focus on parity, equity, and equality, especially for African-Americans. There are many oppressed groups, but our oldest and biggest debt (think forty acres and a mule) is to the black slaves (& their descendents) who built this country. This skank is a pustule on the backside of the Civil Rights movement and workers advocating justice.

White Privilege is a political scam. Non whites are whining that they can't get ahead when they aren't willing to put in the hard work and time it takes to get ahead, It isn't easy. I worked my ass off to get ahead and have a good career. No one handed me anything.

I know plenty of lefties who would love to burn books if they thought they could get away with it.

You guys are either foreign or being disingenuous. "Considered brown by whom?" Please.

By mainstream America.

Deeming them "brown" is a cornerstone of the bias against Arabs in America, dummies. That, plus the Muslim dimension.

[quote] I defy both of you to match each person to her/his country of origin if we put a person from each of the following countries in one room: Spain Portugal, Greece, Italy, Albania, Israel, Palestine, Armenia, and Syria. Disagree?

I'm a Jew of middle eastern descent and I've been confused for almost every one of those.

No, R219, I’m just not buying your PC pablum. Please explain the racial differences between Palestinians and Israelis? All the groups listed in R216? You could not discern the difference in nationality with any individual from that group. They are ALL perceived as brown, or “other.”

[quote] ], read the article. Yes, they are considered more brown than most of those groups. Israelis vary.

You’ve never been to the Middle East. Arabs like Jews come in many shades and eye colors. Including blondes.

It’s only current day antiSemitism in the Left that now counts Jews as “white” and Arabs as “brown” It’s even stupider than that because they consider all Muslims “brown” when Muslims literally can be found in all races since it’s a religion )whereas Jews are an ethno-religious grouping)

In the Western world, Arabs are not considered white.

Because of what R222. It’s a new double standard

By you, R223? They’re certainly not Black. Lisa Halaby is not White? Casey Kassem? Danny Thomas? Really?

Really r225. Arabs are caucasian, but not considered white.

By you, R226. I’m sure that would be news to millions of Arabs and Arab-Americans, most notably the individuals above.

Not really r227. Contrary to what you may think, many people have no interest in being thought of as white.

LOL, I couldn't wait to tell my half Armenian (half German) blond, blue eyed husband he wasn't "white" after I read a post from a an LSA loon that the Kardashians are non-white because they're half Armenian.

R228, you don’t know what I, or the majority of Arabs, and Arab-Americans actually think. I think all the Arab Americans I listed definitely identified as White. Provide your own list. I do think that there is a trend toward people who are perceived as “White adjacent” actually identifying as POC, as evidenced by this “author.” I don’t think it is actually a good, or bad thing, but I call bullshit on charlatans like this “author,” who I think minimize and coopt the struggles of African-Americans just to draw attention to themselves, misrepresent themselves, and sell books.

You're living in a country where Italians are just barely considered white, you think Arabs are considered white?

This discussion is getting silly.

[quote]You're living in a country where Italians are just barely considered white, you think Arabs are considered white?

No, just no. Sorry. It seems a lot of POC like to 'claim' this is true of various Caucasian ethnicities (see above lunatic trying to convince us that the Irish were once considered POC), because they think it in some way dismantles racism. The goal is worthy, but telling lies to get there is just dumb.

A few of you are confused and conflating oppression, bigotry and class differences with skin color. Snobby wasps have historically looked down on almost all other Caucasian ethnicities. They considered the Irish, Italians, Poles, etc to be "less than". But that isn't the same thing as thinking of them as non-white.

I'm so proud that New York elected a person of color Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia for three terms way back in 1934 to 1945!

And then they elected another mayor of color Vincent Impellitteri in 1950.

And then another person of color Rudy Giuliani.... and today another colored fellow: Bill de Blasio.

Not to mention their governor: person of color Mario Cuomo and his colored son Andrew.

My favorite colored entertainer has always been Perry Como.

For me, the idea of white privilege started out a much needed exercise in checking an unfair advantage at the door. But like all things we do on the left these days (MeToo, BLM, trans activists literally dying, triggered everything) it gets taken too far. Calling white men evil for just being born does zero good. It won't change their whiteness and will only harden the resolve to keep what's theirs.

R237 = a sensible post among all the hysteria

Madonna is my favorite singer who's a woman of color.

John Travolta broke a lot of barriers for men of color in Hollywood.

Arturo Toscanini was the first person of color to play Carnegie Hall.

Frank Sinatra faced a lot of discrimination as a man of color during his career.

You have to give Dick Clark a lot of credit for letting Frankie Avalon appear on "American Bandstand".

Could anybody look at Bernadette Peters (Sicilian) and not think she was anything but white?

She’s Sicilian by title. Not genetics.

And you know that how, r245?

What does a "genetic" Sicilian look like?

Cary Grant was 100% English and could've passed for Italian.

Cary Grant doesn't look Italian there at all, just tanned

If Bernadette Peters didn't dye her hair blond, yes, she would look very Italian.

It is interesting that people seem to think that bigotry is about skin color rather than ethnicity. Have they not lived in America?

No one cares that your skin is dark brown. What they care about is that you are of African, Latin, etc. descent.

My father worked outdoors and had darker skin than the black family on our street. They faced prejudice, not him.

It does not matter is Arabs are darker than Jews or indistinguishable from Italians.

[quote]Cary Grant doesn't look Italian there at all, just tanned

I agree with that poster. Very Italian. Like Vittorio de Sica, Rossano Brazzi. It's a type of handsome Italian daddy you see all over Italy.

[quote]She’s Sicilian by title. Not genetics.

Stupidest comment ever.

Sicily was ruled by the Germans in the 400s and 500s, the Normans around 1000.

You people have never been there. Sicilians are often blue eyed, tall, light skinned.

The Sicilian Parliament

Look at those darkies!

She has major Cubana privilege and is projecting. Parents are non-Marielito exiles - which meant they had money in Havana and came to the US to hang onto it. She went to a good public HS in the Country Club section of NW Miami, then got into Cornell. She probably was pissed that she was no longer the pez grande once she got outside south Florida, so she reinvented herself as a SJW Latinx of Color. Rachel Dolezal without the self-tanner and weave. Nice chola eyebrows, though.

Hopefully for those it was required reading, read the book before they burned it. Or do they expect to be excused from the work in that class?

That would be a full circle of demonstrating privileged. To demonstrate it's not they need to repurchase it. Cha-Ching for author.

r227, I worked in an area with a lot of Armenians and they did not consider themselves white. They dated blacks and I asked why, and they were like, we are the same.

However Persians were different. They consider themselves white.

R258 nobody puts themselves in same category as Blacks. I call B.S.! (or extraordinarily small and anecdotal sampling)

Yup. Which is why I chuckle every time I see a social justice warrior screech about "black and brown people". Where I'm from, 'brown people' usually refers to East Indians, and believe me, they DO NOT want to be bracketed with black people. Not now, not today, not ever!

[quote]She’s Sicilian by title. Not genetics.

Sicilian swim team.

R260 I don't know where you're from, but we're talking about the United States. And have you seen Indians? A lot, and I mean a LOT of them are black as midnight.

R225 there are other races, black and white aren't the only ones.

[quote] there are other races, black and white aren't the only ones.

An important point lost on many leftists who are ignorant of America's great diversity. They only see skin color.

R262, there are only three “races:”White, Black, and Asian. Everything else is ethnicity and/or nationality.

[quote]Sicily was ruled by the Germans in the 400s and 500s, the Normans around 1000. You people have never been there. Sicilians are often blue eyed, tall, light skinned

Yes, a good friend of mine is full blooded Sicilian. She has blond hair, blue eyes and fair skin. One of her kids is a red head (inherited from my friend's mother). I am 75% Irish, 25% German. I have brown hair and eyes. Side by side, if anyone had to guess which one of us is Sicilian, no one would dream it's her (until they tasted her amazing cooking, LOL).

R264 then where do American Indians fall in that? Polynesians? Arabs?

[quote]And have you seen Indians? A lot, and I mean a LOT of them are black as midnight.

Again, conflating skin color with race. They are NOT the same. Indians span the spectrum of very dark to lily white. But they are not "racially" white or black. They are Asian. They have a very different culture to that of American whites and blacks, as well. So, they do not consider themselves either.

Here are the only recognized racial and ethnic categories per the US Census:

American Indian or Alaska Native: a person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America), and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment.

Asian: a person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Black or African American: a person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa. Terms such as "Haitian" or "Negro" can be used in addition to "Black or African American."

Hispanic or Latino: a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race. The term, "Spanish origin," can be used in addition to "Hispanic or Latino."

Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands.

White: a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

R266, do your own research! Here’s a hint: Bering Land Bridge.

R264, since there is no biological basis for the division or races, you can choose as many categories as you want. You can say there is one race, three races, nine races, or thirty-six races.

Different cultures determine different number of races. And it sounds like individuals do as well.

^^^ that first line should read "division into races"

Lol @ 264…and you get a race…and YOU get a race… everybody can have a race! Brilliant!