Two biological males now hold 15 women’s State Championship titles in Connecticut, female athletes fight back

That seems like it’ll be a hot issue

THIS is why they hate us now.

I will feel way more sympathy for her if she wasn't with an far right antigay association

The link is a right wing nut job site.

R4 I didn't realize that. I found it linked on Twitter.

It is a right wing nut job site. look at the comments.

Does the article say if any other org offered to help them?

This is why Trump will win

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If you don't like the rules, change them.

What the hell difference does it make where the story came from as long as its true? Fact check it. It IS true.

One is not like the other in this photo.

The truth of the story is a greater issue than where OP is quoting a story from. These biological females are getting screwed in their own sports!

The headline at R11 is just stupid? "No easy answers"? Yes, there are. Male athletes should be competing against other male athletes. The end.

If it were so easy for transgender women to win in women’s sports, why aren’t all the top spots filled with transgender women?

R11 "Cromwell’s Andraya Yearwood, right, competes against Newtown’s Carly Swierbut in the 55-meter dash at the CIAC Indoor Track and Field State Open on Feb. 17 in New Haven."

"Carly"

Add that to Warren stating the transition process should be paid with governmetn funds; and jailed trannys should be locked into the jails they identify; and Beto campaigning that the religious tax exemption be taken from churches that don't acknowledge trans. .

Like he did with Bill Clinton's victims at the last debate, this time he will find people for the audience related to this topic.

No one else will take the case. When orgs like the ACLU are on the side of men in girl’s sports, the girls have nowhere else to turn.

Carly is female r11. Andraya Yearwood, born Amadi, is the male. Yearwood told his parents he was gay at about age 12. They sent him to a counselor who convinced he was trans. The other male runner, Terry Miller, came out as a trans at a rival school a year after Yearwood. Miller had been running in the boy’s category just three months before declaring he was a girl.

So absurd and just asinine. This WILL eventually explode. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

the absurdity of the unhinged left.

R18, I read that wrong. I thought it was identifying them left to right, which would make more sense!

R14, given that transgender "women" only make up a tiny percentage of the population, they're vastly over-represented in women's sport.

Let trans athletes compete against other trans athletes. Otherwise it’s an unfair advantage.

r23 that is a fair and equitable solution. A category for trans and intersex athletes provides them an outlet to compete and doesn't muddy the pool for female athletes.

R23 R24 That's just it. It's perfect. See how easy that was? But, the gag is, they don't want that.

It sickens me that the Democratic party has thrown women under the bus. It sickens me that the "liberal" media refuses to report on this in an objective way. It sickens me to watch otherwise "progressive" candidates like Elizabeth Warren endorse such a regressive, conservative ideology (without really even understanding it!). And it sickens me that there is no way I can protest any of this, because what am I going to do-- vote red? Vote for Trump? Obviously, I can't do that. So, here we are.

That’s not right and not fair.

It sounds like there are a lot of transgender athletes out there so why don’t they start their own championships with each other so that it’s fair?

What are you personally doing to improve the situation, OP? Hmmm?

Maybe OP is raising attention, R28?

Not sure why it's OP's responsibility to "improve the situation," since he is not the one oppressing these girls, R28.

R23 But that wouldn’t ‘validate’ their feelings as ‘women’ and that’s all they seem to care about.

Just wait until the Olympics next year. In an orgy of virtue signaling, the IOC in 2015 redefined the category of women to include physically intact biological males - and the IOC only requires their testosterone levels to be lowered to the lower end of those for men, which is still five times higher than any T in women.

Now China is taking advantage of the rules to run a women’s relay team that is 3 out of 4 ‘women’ (with penises). They’ve already won the Asian championships. Should be interesting.

r12: Exactly. I'd usually jump on the bandwagon about right-wing & conservative sources, but people on here need to be honest. This issue would never be reported by the left with any type of fairness shown to the non-trans party. The females and their parents would be smeared as transphobic and personally responsible for every LGBTQ suicide, murder, and hate crime that ever happened in their town. It's the same reason why they'll only get support from organizations on the right on this issue instead of those on the left, a side that's usually championing fairness and equity. The left supports the T to a fault.

r25: Yup. It's the same reason they don't want to use the unisex facilities or facilities that correspond to their bio sex: They want to be categorized as the sex they pretend to be. Screw who it disenfranchises or the regressive ideas of gender and sexuality this supports, their feelings and fragile ego are of utmost importance.

r26: The only form of protest I can think of for this particular issue is not financially supporting the people, causes, and organizations that supports anything more than common sense laws ensuring fair housing and employment for the T. Also, I'd recommend educating the well-meaning who support just to be supportive but don't understand the implications of what the T is pushing for.

R29 I wish I knew what I could do, but sadly, I think that R26 is correct.

We complain a lot about others invading our spaces. It's usually places like bars though. It's annoying, but can you imagine working so hard for something and then having someone who doesn't even belong in that space stealing it from you?

Listen up. This is a multi platform creation, brought to the laps of the LGBT community, Dems & Socialist leaning Bernie Bros & Gals, by the likes of Steve Bannon, et al. Don’t fall for it. It’s not a political issue, it is a social issue, just like this movement’s counterparts, the incels & red pilled, representing white men, & the “Woke” ones, representing the African American community.

All of this is based on pushing social issues that are traditionally worked out between men and women, slowly as fuck, but nevertheless, consistently.

Did we as a society, need to have the #metoo movement pushed into our collective face? Yes. It is an incredibly forceful and positive step in the right direction, because the disparities borne upon the shoulders of mostly women, within almost every sector, private and public, has to be dismantled in order for all societies to move forward in a world that is changing at hyper-speed. Heck, even Saudi Arabia FINALLY allowed women to get a driver’s license & that is not some errant decision made by the Kingdom. And while I understand that huge limitations continue to be overwhelmingly enforced upon women in Islamic theocracies, it’s still a great step in the right direction.

Not too geopolitically removed from the UAE, is Iran, despite the insistence that they’re two completely separate animals. What binds them is a religion that persecutes gays and lesbians, though both have different solutions to their “problem”. However, if we as a democratic society, start restricting and condemning individuals who seek to reassign their biological gender, we risk moving into the same sphere as Iran, where lesbians and gays do not exist-ONLY men and women exist. It’s the opposite side of the same coin, when we say that trans may exist among us, without benefit of legal protections. Are we saying that only bio men and women can exist with legal protections? Because according to Iran, only heterosexuals can exist, so people aren’t attracted to the same sex, they’re just born the incorrect gender. Can we not see how both of these ideas are partners in crime? More importantly, have we forgotten that challenging societal norms, is the only path offered to minority groups in order to bring about legislation created for their protections against discrimination and violence?

The trans movement has been co opted as a tool by the far right, in order to be specifically used on democratic societies, hoping to force extremism as the only choice. This is so new to us media wise, so convoluted and controversial, that it easily divides individuals who are otherwise aligned & cemented in ideologies & purpose regarding all else. It frustrates me to no end, that these bullshit constructs are really effective in conning us into walking on paths designed to covertly hijack our principles, slowly pushing us toward maligned, ideological journeys, and before we know it, we are on the fringes of different sides, fighting amongst ourselves, over issues that given time, have no choice but to resolve themselves within a free and progressive society, organically, because that’s what progressive societies offer: solutions based on cooperation among those with differing opinions, based on a priority that upholds fairness and rule of law.

Let these school boards, and elected officials within these communities work this out on their own. They will work it out, as they should. Logic will eventually prevail. It’s a non-existent issue because we all, already know, that while a person can opt to undergo surgery to legally identify as the opposite sex, it is biologically IMPOSSIBLE to become the opposite sex.

Should the government police, and instruct our current, legal and consensual choices in the bedroom? No? OK, then let these people do whatever the fuck they want to do in their doctors’ offices. It’s NONE of our fucking business, nor should it be. Eventually, this will work itself out.

Stop persecuting these people. JFC. Leave them alone.

Let me guess, R35: You are male. "It’s a non-existent issue..." LOL okay.

They were typically low performing atheletes competing against males. They are taking scholarships and opportunities away from females, Title IX was supposed to guarantee those opportunities for girls and women.

[quote]Yearwood told his parents he was gay at about age 12. They sent him to a counselor who convinced he was trans.

That counselor should be drummed out of business.

Title IX run amok.

Conversion therapy spun as progressive, R38. SRS is huge in Iran and promoted in Berkeley. Hmmm.

Literally Brave New World

You guys and your sketchy-ass sites LOL

All you're doing is reposting everything you see on r/GenderCritical anyway, just go back there or to Mumsnet instead of invading gay spaces you hypocrites. "Waah trannies are invading our space" you cry as you try to literally take over an LGBT board when you're not even part of the community.

[quote]The truth of the story is a greater issue than where OP is quoting a story from.

^^^ This is why you bitches don't belong here, you link to websites that are homophobic as hell on a gay board and then, because you're a bunch of stupid narrow-minded tunnel-vision straight chicks, don't get why maybe you're not welcome here.

[quote]I'd usually jump on the bandwagon about right-wing & conservative sources, but people on here need to be honest. This issue would never be reported by the left with any type of fairness shown to the non-trans party.

Fuck off. You don't need a "left" news source, just a non-homophobic rightwing nutjob source. I went to Google News and found CBS Chicago, NY Post, OutSports, and Reddit all reporting on this.

You didn't even look, did you? You were too enamored of your own voice to just stop and check.

Every time I check, and every time I find perfectly normal news sources with neutral reporting -- or in this case NY Post's nasty anti-trans reporting -- that could have been linked to.

You're encouraging a gay board to be literally infiltrated with anti-gay propaganda. THINK FOR A SECOND. Pay attention to what's going on!

Same, R26. I feel politically homeless.

[quote] You're encouraging a gay board to be literally infiltrated with anti-gay propaganda

Trying to equate gay and trans makes me question who you are. A gay person would know better.

Preach, R46. T have taken over LGB orgs, harass L and wiped out MichFest. Then they branched out and went after women, kids and gay men. If sex is no longer a valid legal concept, what do you think will happen to rights based on sexual orientation?

T have also usherd in the pedos and creeps that gay men pushed out in the 70s and 90s. Time to do it again. Furries and pedos in drag reading to preschoolers at libraries have NOTHING to do with LGB. That needs to be reinforced in public perception too.

The L, and finally LGB are pushing back in the UK. Time people in the US do so as well. This is historically a GAY board.

R46: Look further in that webpage and you will find plenty antigay articles for sure

R35: We'll see, Semenya is a woman and they don't let her compete because her levels of testosterone, so i doubt women sports will be full of transwomen

[quote]However, if we as a democratic society, start restricting and condemning individuals who seek to reassign their biological gender, we risk moving into the same sphere as Iran, where lesbians and gays do not exist-ONLY men and women exist. It’s the opposite side of the same coin, when we say that trans may exist among us, without benefit of legal protections.

So by your logic r35, gays and lesbians should be forcibly mutilated by governments like Iran because eventually they’ll see logic and “it’ll work itself out”?

[quote]Are we saying that only bio men and women can exist with legal protections?

Trans men and women already *are* bio women and men, and they already have established rights on the basis of their biological sex. A transman has the legal protections afforded to females— because she *is* female. A transwoman still has legal protections based on his sex, race, citizenship, ethnicity, religion— you get the idea.

The issue is competing rights. Transactivists want to impede upon the rights of others— both males and females— by claiming they are a special class above and beyond their sex. But as you yourself say, no one can change their bio sex, so attempting to redefine bio sex or diminish its role in society is their tactic.

We in the gay community never claimed bio sex didn’t exist, we never sought for our rights to diminish or remove the rights of others. There’s a difference.

Huge difference, R49.

A large swath of T is a mens rights movement with SJ cover to advocate violence against women, something many gay men have experienced as well. Baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire are not tools of social justice.

This is not what ACT UP fought for, it is a Trojan horse to roll back the rights of LGB, woman and to target minors.

Btw, what is UP with libraries being such handmaidens?

[quote]We'll see, Semenya is a woman and they don't let her compete because her levels of testosterone, so i doubt women sports will be full of transwomen

Caster Semenya is a biological male. As disclosed in the IAAF report this summer, Caster is 46 XY. Additionally, because of this disorder, Caster’s testosterone levels are on par with the male range. The male range is between 7-29 nmol/L. The female range is .12-1.8 nmol/L.

Caster is male. Caster produces testosterone at male levels. However, Caster would still be allowed to run if he lowered his testosterone because in the female division, they allow for XY (male) athletes as well as female athletes with testosterone levels no higher than 5 nmol/L to compete in the women’s division.

[quote]To say that an XY human can’t compete in the women’s category of professional sports unless they lower their testosterone below 5 nmol/L — a figure that is still 7.5 times the value of the average woman competing at the 2011 and 2013 track and field World Championships and a figure that not a single healthy woman born with XX chromosomes, ovaries, and producing estrogen at puberty can reach — isn’t a huge human rights travesty. It’s a protection of women’s sports.

That is the IAAF/IOC policy. A man can run in the women’s division, even at the Olympics, if he simply lowers his testosterone and claims to be female.

And extra Y chromosome doesn't make you male and you should know it.

Sports should be divided based on choromosomes, not feelings.

Thanks for that post, R51, had not seen that info anywhere.

Nobody equated gay with trans. R48 is right: the links you guys post to anti-trans articles are on sites that also have anti-gay propaganda, too. And racist propaganda and pro-Trump lies and far-right Christian propaganda and the whole nine yards.

That's why you're posting here, even though you won't admit it. It started with Milo posing as "Linda," and the goals were obvious: trick gays into thinking they had to support far-right causes for their own protection, and insert far-right talking points, memes and fake news into the gay community to normalize the rhetoric.

That person upthread is correct, there was a perfectly awful New York Post article on this, but you guys chose to link to a far-right website that looks about as secure as a sinkhole instead.

Fortunately most of us know what you're up to. That's why your threads are just the four or five of you talking to yourselves, with a smattering of regulars popping in to remind everyone that you're far-right trolls.

R35, it’s political when laws are being drafted and amended to accommodate this fuckery.

[quote]It sickens me that the Democratic party has thrown women under the bus.

Haha no it doesn't. You're like all those PUMAs were in 2008, where a handful really were liberal women who thought if they voted Repuglicunt they would strike a blow for sexism but most were rightwing nutjobs just trying to divide the Democrats. That's all you're doing! Spreading far-right propaganda and trolling to divide liberals.

[quote]And extra Y chromosome doesn't make you male and you should know it.

??? Caster doesn’t have an “extra” Y chromosome; Caster is not XXY. He has the XY configuration of every male on the planet. There is no such thing as a male human lacking a Y chromosome and you should know it.

Look how hard the trans cheerleaders are trying to shut down conversations here. F U and your bitching about sources and racism, when you're the ones supporting conversion therapy.

You cheerleaders can't even handle discussions about this without being fascist assholes. You don't give a F about anyone else but yourselves.

Don't worry, the truth eventually comes to light.

[quote]Trying to equate gay and trans makes me question who you are. A gay person would know better.

"A gay person"?! I'm a gay. Gays call themselves gay. There's your handy homosexual tip o' the day, straight lady. Enjoy.

I didn't equate gay with trans anyway, you're just upset that you keep getting called out for linking to websites full of anti-gay articles. Your excuse that you have to because they're the only ones who report the truth on trans is exactly as stupid as the "don't vote Democratic" and "Trump is right" and all the other eye-rolling right-wing nutjobbery you guys post. You're trying to talk gays into supporting anti-gay fake news and anti-gay politicians. I hate that there are some people dumb enough to take the bait but we live in really screwed-up times.

R59 😱 Mary!

The issue is entirely well known. If its of such concern, why not get involved to change things. Locally or at the state level, for example. Instead, preaching a message to the already converted on DL. Yeah, such important work! Le sigh.

The women should sue the NCAA for gender discrimination.

[quote] The trans movement has been co opted as a tool by the far right, in order to be specifically used on democratic societies

You have opened my eyes. It wasn't Obama signing that Executive Order on the girls bathrooms and showers in schools. Or that EVERY democratic candidate must pledge to support this Münchausen gender ideology.

"You're like all those PUMAs were in 2008, where a handful really were liberal women who thought if they voted Repuglicunt they would strike a blow for sexism but most were rightwing nutjobs just trying to divide the Democrats."

R56, I made it absolutely clear in my post that I would NEVER vote Republican. This issue IS disturbing, but it is only ONE issue. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, whomever that might be.

People on different sides here seem to have very different opinions.

[quote] People on different sides here seem to have very different opinions.

That’s not allowed.

Trump will win. Or Pence. Because. Of. This.

Expect more ads like this from Republicans

[quote] People on different sides here seem to have very different opinions.

In Canada and the UK expressing the "wrong" opinion will trigger a police investigation against you. In America it may get you fired from a corporate job and utterly disqualified from any role in the democratic party.

R35

I'll leave them alone when they leave *us* alone. The door swings both ways, and currently the T is trying to destroy the rights of everyone who isn't them. Women don't have penises, men don't have vaginas, and it's not a hate crime to say so.

The answer is simple. None of the biological females should show up. None of them. Let the trans girls run alone. Just boycott it.

"This is insane because these are skills I could never do..."

God, r58, we just want you trolls to stop bothering us.

Leave it to the people posting links to gross and crazy Trump-licker websites to call everyone else fascists. Classic right-wing troll behavior.

R71 Completely agree. That's even better.

R73 So agree, stop these troll teen boys talking girls places and scholarships

The problem with boycotts, though I agree it’s something they should be doing, is that girls don’t race as individuals in high school meets— they race as a school team. If one or two girls sit out their race, then the team overall may be forced to forfeit the entire meet, they may lose points and thus be excluded from state and regional meets.

I feel for them. They’re in such a shitty position. I know for a fact that most of the girls racing against Yearwood and Miller in those first two years were black, which is incredibly hypocritical when the pro-trans arguments try to make this a race issue. Boo hoo hoo those poor mediocre boys, but no one gave a fuck about the black girls running.

This animal has broken female player's legs during competition.

Female sports will become a parody of strange men cosplaying female athletes.

I would appreciate cosplay as a medal level event in the Olympics.

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identifying as a woman is one thing, competing professionally against biological females is another.

How is Womens' sports going to survive this? I mean, there simply will be no more women's sports because the only people who can compete against Trans will be other Trans. They'll take over the category and simply call it "women's sports".

So what then happens to biologically female athletes?

A career at Avon?

R81 Next year’s olympics will open a lot of eyes when people see more men competing against women and the sheer difference in their physicality.

Eventually, there’s going to be a huge backlash. I think it’s already started here in the UK but there’s still a long way to go.

[quote]Add that to Warren stating the transition process should be paid with governmetn funds; and jailed trannys should be locked into the jails they identify; and Beto campaigning that the religious tax exemption be taken from churches that don't acknowledge trans.

WTF? That's it. I'm voting for Trump.

Does anyone follow women's sports? Does it make any money? What purpose does it serve?

R48 Caster Semenya is intersex, not a female.

Maybe the IAAF was trolling when they came up with the mixed relay . It makes it obvious how much faster men are compared to women .

Portia assists Ellen those last few meters

R86 There own report says he is a man

R87 In case anyone is interested . Here is the mixed 400 m relay from this years relay competition in Yokohama

I am not sure how a trans woman can compete professionally. By default, they are doping (having to take hormones etc). And if they are not, then they would test positive for testosterone at a level higher than normal for a female and be disqualified. Honestly, I don't want to be separatist but there should be a trans-Olympics. Or at least a category. I realize the identity as women but genetically they are not so competing against people who are is unfair.

[quote]I am not sure how a trans woman can compete professionally. By default, they are doping (having to take hormones etc). And if they are not, then they would test positive for testosterone at a level higher than normal for a female and be disqualified. Honestly, I don't want to be separatist but there should be a trans-Olympics. Or at least a category. I realize the identity as women but genetically they are not so competing against people who are is unfair.

Transwomen, who are biologically male, usually take testosterone suppressors. NCAA requires that transwomen be on suppressants for a year in order to compete in college sports. The IAAF requires naturally produced testosterone levels be under a certain amount in transwomen who want to compete in the female category. Estrogen doesn’t give anyone a physical advantage, thus there are no restrictions on it.

The question of transmen (bio females) taking testosterone came up with that transman high school wrestler in Texas, Mac Biggs. Mac, who again, is female, was not allowed to wrestle boys though she wanted to. She was allowed to wrestle other girls in spite of her doping with testosterone. Yep, she got to both legally dope and compete.

Some transwoman athletes who have had their testes removed claim they should get to take testosterone because their bodies no longer produce enough (even female bodies produce small amounts of T). It’s called a Therapudic Exemption Use (TEU) and is something athletes can apply for when claiming a need for a medication that is otherwise banned or restricted. That’s how Biggs was allowed to take T.

The problem is in thinking that limiting testosterone is going level the playing field; it doesn’t. Males have T in their systems since utero. A boy placed on puberty blockers is still going to have numerous physical advantages just by being born male, even if his puberty is artificially stunted. The Karolinska Institute in Sweden, one of the top medical colleges in the world and the home of the Nobel Prize for Medicine, recently released a study that showed little to no effect on restricting testosterone in muscle development in transwomen; that is the transwomen subjects either maintained or slightly gained muscle density even while on testosterone suppressants.

R91, I’m completely with you. Let there be a separate category.

But a separate category would be invalidating!

R94 That’s the only thing these men care about.

Yes, R94 and R95, the point is that there must be complete congruity with biological females in every way possible. This is part of the reason for negative reactions that have arisen in the wake of an expansion of trans rights.