BREAKING: Drone Hits Saudi Oil

This isn't breaking, I read it this afternoon in the Washington Post.

Tonight the lowest local price is $2.29 though $2.39 is most common. We'll see.

[quote]This isn't breaking, I read it this afternoon in the Washington Post.

And yet, you couldn't drag your ass to DataLounge to warn the rest of us that our winter vacations may need to be postponed due to the high cost of fuel.

Anxiously monitoring the gas prices in Half Moon Bay as I type!!!

My husband has been saying the Saudis are going to pump more oil in order for gas prices to decrease in 2020 because they want Trump to be reelected. This is a good excuse for them to pump oil like crazy and then say, "our original estimate of the damage done by the drone was excessive. Now we have all this oil, after having pumped so much and we'll be dumping it on the market in the US for a low price (they won't actually say the "dumping on the market" part).

We sent the drone, of course. Several days after John Bolton leaves, a single drone hits Saudi oil? Bitch, please. We did it to actually lower prices.

And we'll blame Iran. Because Israel.

[quote]Oh, Geez, this is the big one.

This is the big one?

Who are you? Redd Foxx?

It's reported that there were ten drones, not one.

OP, R3, et al, Guess all of you missed my thread yesterday, really soon after it happened, with multiple links warning of higher gas prices?

Goes to show how a little bit of not so cutting edge tech could cripple the worlds economy.

R5, If you read my thread on this subject yesterday I linked Houthis admitting responsibility for the drone.

Well, r8, if you hadn't titled your post "Vivian Vance Says I Have Sufficient" maybe we could have found your post in a search.

My lowest local price is currently @ $2.85 gallon.

I'm screwed.

There were also some reports about hand grenades. Initially I read that they could get back up and running on their production quite easily.

Did they decide to lie about that now?

Along with most of its oil reserves, Saudi Arabia's Shia minority is concentrated in Eastern Province. The Shia are treated terribly and it's gotten worse under MBS. It is surprising that Iran has not tried to destablize the area before now.

Also it is surprising that the Saudis/Americans did not intercept the drone. We've got military personnel over there directing the Saudi attacks on Yemen, so you'd think the Americans would have been monitoring things like this.

I bet this is not the first drone attack, just the first that wasn't intercepted.

R11, Whatever are you taking about sir? One insulting Troll post called it Vivian Vance.

I titled it, "Drone Caused Explosions at Saudi's Aramco."

So is there going to be a more intense invasion of Yemen?

[quote] So is there going to be a more intense invasion of Yemen?

No I don't think so. There's a lot of resistance to that war in Saudi Arabia among the people and among the senior royals. I think this is more about destabilizing the House of Saud and their Aramco IPO (which I believe would end up destablizing Saudi Arabia anyway). The attack might also be in retaliation for Israel's strikes in Syria. The Houthis have been hitting targets along the Saudi border, INSIDE Saudi Arabia, for a few years now. This I think was more about seeing if they could actually reach Eastern Province from their locations in Yemen.

Saudi Arabia has the world's top military technology. They buy it from us. Very strange they didnt intercept. There is military all around those oil fields. They are Saudi Arabia's only source of wealth. They are top national security targets.

America gets most of its oil from... America nowadays. Not overseas. Now you see why.

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R4 Hi Half Moon Bay! Watsonville here...gas price was about $3.15 @ Costco today..

R20 Do you often get your news from The Onion?

I love the Onion.

I dont believe a word they say.

I saw this bullshit in Vietnam

I saw this bullshit in Granada

I saw this bullshit in the 1st Gulf War

I saw this bullshit after 9/11

I saw it in Iraq

I saw it in Afghanistan

Ive seen it since I was conscious of what war was. War is something Republicans do to make money

Uh oh you're right OP. Airfares are gonna hit the roof

[quote]The attack might also be in retaliation for Israel's strikes in Syria

Why would the Houthis even care about that? They're fighting for their survival. They don't care about geopolitics beyond that. This kind of farsighTed calculation doesn't suit besieged paramilitary groups like themselves.

And don't come at me talking about Iran. Western media and governments vastly exaggerate Iran's support for the Houthis in order to justify Saudi's monstrous war against the people of Yemen.

Saudi is trying to instigate a war between the West and Iran. So of course that Iran would support the Houthis or anyone group that fought Saudi. But this support is for the most part rhetorical and ideological. Iran is not behind the Houthis' every move and the Houthis don't much care for Iran's personal grievances either, including Israel's thuggery against its neighbors.

I'm glad I just bought a gallon of canola oil.

[quote] But this support is for the most part rhetorical and ideological. Iran is not behind the Houthis' every move and the Houthis don't much care for Iran's personal grievances either,

Iran provides the same support to the Houthis that it provides to Hamas and Hezbullah; military, financial as well as ideological. The Mullahs and the Sauds have used the region as a power chessboard for decades. This is simply another move of the Iran's pawn.

R27 will always have Wessonailty!

Yayyy!! I don't want to speak too soon, but I highly support Dump's anti-war stance. Fuck you, Bolton! (I'm knocking on wood to keep the peace here.)

r28 There's no proof that Iran has been arming the Houthis. There's plenty of evidence of the Houthis acquiring weapons with the Yemeni army.

That problem is that there's nothing of which Americans won't accuse Iran. In America, Iran is regularly accused of the biggest absurdities - for example, funding 9/11, something that Saudi did.

We produce enough fossil fuels here in the USA to never have to buy any oil from the Saudis.

False flag play to stir up trouble with Iran, cause conflict and help tRump.

Stupid people fall for this stuff every time.

R31 There's no proof that Iran ISN'T arming the Houthis. But they are. Just like they arm and finance Hezbullah and Hamas, and support Assad. All part of the regional power struggle with the Sauds.

[quote]There's no proof that Iran ISN'T arming the Houthis

There's no proof that the US, Israel, France, and Paraguay aren't arming the Houthis, either.

Saudi Arabia does indeed possess the best US-bought weaponry, the most powerful and advanced that there is. However, it's too bad they are too dumb to operate them by themselves.

Interception systems don't work. The US and Israel always claim that their systems took down this missile and that other one, but when independent analysis look at the data, they see zero evidence for any of that.

These systems are more of an overpriced psychological weapon.

[quote]There's no proof that the US, Israel, France, and Paraguay aren't arming the Houthis, either.

The only country that has psychological, political and historic reasons to meddle in Yemen is Iran. Just as Iran meddles in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza.

I drive an old Prius -- little concern from my garage,

r37 That's not how "proof" works, honey. And you're wrong. Because of MBS's thuggery, many other countries would profit from harming Saudi Arabia. Take Qatar, for example. Does that PROVE that Qatar is arming the Houthis? The same applies to Syria and, to some extent, Iraq and Turkey... Saudi Arabia really doesn't lack for enemies today.

Yet if anyone in the Middle East as much as sneezes, two minutes later these gas station fucks are in a frenzy jacking up gas prices.

The Saudi pigs have a special secret force organized specifically for hacking people's phone all over the world. Too bad they couldn't hack the drone perps' phones. LOL.

Saudis have been lying about their reserves for years.

North Dakota has more oil than SA now. They just need to frack it, it's not as easy to get at. And Venezuela (which is a mess) still has tons and tons of reserves that aren't being pumped now.

If Saudi oil disappeared tomorrow, it would be a mere bag of shells.

Those drones would have done far more benefit if they had been aimed at the palaces of the Saudi Royal Family.

R35: They buy all the best tech but they’re military as a whole is completely incompetent. Furthermore, most of the specialists and technicians are westerners who are the only ones keeping all that equipment maintained and operational. I’ve heard stories that the some of the Saudi pilots even refuse to fly through clouds due to an archaic Islamic belief that they contain genies - no joke.

A lot of the conscripts are from the very bottom rung of Saudi Arabian society, and the discipline and training is virtually nonexistent. One guy who was over there on a training contract told me that all they do all day is sit around and drink tea. They also refuse to take training and instruction from a lot of the western specialists due to the fact that they’re not Muslim.

If they ever got into a real war with Iran then they’d be in serious trouble, as even with all the sanctions the Iranian Military is far more professional than the Saudi armed forces.

I believe everything you just described.

[quote]Because of MBS's thuggery, many other countries would profit from harming Saudi Arabia. Take Qatar, for example.

R39 You've well and truly proven you are completely ignorant of the extent of Gulf investment and power. Saudi, Kuwaiti, and UAE despots have all strategically invested their oil money for decades in everything from banking to real estate to education to political and cultural organisations in the US and Europe, especially the UK, insuring that a very blind eye will be turned to whatever Gulf despots do.

The only threat Syria poses to the Sauds is as a staging area for yet more Iranian regional mischief.

Qatar has been pursuing warming relations with Iran. So Qatar may very well be a player at Iran's command.

Turkey, also in line to become a client of the Mullahs, is geographically irrelevant in this instance.

[quote][R39] You've well and truly proven you are completely ignorant of the extent of Gulf investment and power. Saudi, Kuwaiti, and UAE despots have all strategically invested their oil money for decades in everything from banking to real estate to education to political and cultural organisations in the US and Europe, especially the UK, insuring that a very blind eye will be turned to whatever Gulf despots do.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

[quote]The only threat Syria poses to the Sauds is as a staging area for yet more Iranian regional mischief.

Gobbledygook. You probably think that Saudi paying fanatics in Syria, and Israel shelling civilians and soldiers in Syria, are not "mischief". It's only mischief if the US media + government calls it such.

[quote]Qatar has been pursuing warming relations with Iran. So Qatar may very well be a player at Iran's command.

Qatar was almost invaded by Saudi Arabia. It has its own interests to weaken Saudi Arabia, or at least keep it distracted elsewhere. Let go of the anti-Iran derangement, Benjamin.

[quote]Turkey, also in line to become a client of the Mullahs, is geographically irrelevant in this instance.

Derpity derpity derp. You're out of your depth.

It's becoming increasingly clear you're

"It's becoming increasingly clear you're" -> Ignore that line. I was going to write something, then thought it better to write something else and forgot to delete it.

[quote]You probably think that Saudi paying fanatics in Syria, and Israel shelling civilians and soldiers in Syria, are not "mischief". It's only mischief if the US media + government calls it such.

Your blinkered view of the region of course ignores Iranian's proxy's shelling civilians and soldiers going back to 1986. If Iran had stayed out of Syria and Lebanon, the region would look completely different.

[quote]Qatar was almost invaded by Saudi Arabia. It has its own interests to weaken Saudi Arabia, or at least keep it distracted elsewhere. Let go of the anti-Iran derangement, Benjamin.

Qatar has been tweaking the Saud's substantial nose for years at Iran's behest, Mahmoud.

[quote]Derpity derpity derp. You're out of your depth.

Silly non-response due to being out of YOUR depth. Erdogan is looking for increased power and the wealth that goes with it. Iran is willing to provide it.

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Washington Post:

Iran denies carrying out crippling attacks on Saudi oil facilities

[quote] Why would the Houthis even care about that? They're fighting for their survival.

I was very skeptical of the Iran angle. But I started following the border situation very closely because people close to me are from that specific region. The war is not only about the Houthis vs. the Yemeni government or even the "Saudi coalition." It's a war playing out along national, tribal and sectarian lines. Only the national angle is covered in the press or widely understood. For one thing it's easy to understand country vs. country. The tribal angle is very important but especially hard to understand if you're not actually there. The Houthi movement links specific tribes concetrated in North Yemen. Tribes in that area are cutting deals and forming alliances all the time as the situation changes. Sectarian conflict is part of that.

The best coverage probably comes from PBS and it's clear that all parties to the conflict have outside help. Iran is definitely involved in this and their involvement has probably increased over the last few years.

If I had to choose, I'd go with Saudi Arabia as the ultimate bad guy in this situation. But it's naive to dismiss the way that lots of countries are using the conflict to their advantage.

Sitting president needs a boost immediately before re-election - check.

Slowing economy and prospect of recession looming going into an election year - check

Imminent military action - check.

Is ANYONE really surprised we're on the brink of some grandstanding military action against the longtime boogeyman. Frankly, the only thing this story is mission is somehow tying blame on this to HRC - and will ANYONE be surprised when someone tries to make THAT connection.

R54, This isn't going to help Trump with spiking gas prices and the prospect of another war in the Middle East.

[quote] Slowing economy and prospect of recession looming going into an election year - check

There is only a slowing economy in the feverish minds of far left Democrats. Like it or not, the economy is doing very well.

The middle east is, was and always will be a colossal mess.

Just nuke the whole fucking area and be done with it.

r57 = Racist low IQ shit eater who thinks his translucent skin color makes up for lacking genuinely adult thoughts in his head.

R57 you don't mind all the good and decent people who live in that area of the world who would die? Believe it or not there are plenty people in the middle east who hate the extremist segments, wish no ill will on anyone, and just want to live in peace with the rest of the world.

[quote]There is only a slowing economy in the feverish minds of far left Democrats. Like it or not, the economy is doing very well.

Please explain the recent use of QE around the world. While a recession may or may not happen, there are sufficient warning signs to cause concern.

In finance and economics, Risk is defined as uncertainty around outcomes, not as risk in traditional terms of bad outcomes. The lack of clarity around the intermediate-term creates sufficient uncertainty; and therefore risk, to raise concerns in business circles.

Only in the feverish minds of idiots does "getting China" and starting a trade war mean economic prosperity for all.

I’ve always been curious about how the American fracking industry has impacted the Saudi economy. I know the Chinese and other developing economies have an insatiable appetite for oil, but there’s still a lot of competition from the other big oil producers like Russia, Iran and Nigeria.

Have they seen a drop in exports or are they still producing as much as before?

[quote] Tonight the lowest local price is $2.29 though $2.39 is most common. We'll see.

The next afternoon, unchanged.

If US takes out oil facilities in Iran, Saudis would be able to sell oil to people Iran sells out to now and would drop oil prices in US as thanks for knocking out Iran. So...fake drone attacks in SA give US excuse to take out oil facilities in Iran. SA gets bigger oil market, US gets low oil prices, Trump gets re-elected

Saudi Arabia's energy minister said it will make up for some of the loss with oil stocks.

The US Energy Department says the US 'stands ready to deploy resources from the Strategic Petroleum Oil Reserves if necessary to offset any disruptions to oil markets' in the wake of a drone attack in Saudi Arabia on the world's largest oil processing facility.

If the economy is booming why are they planning to cut interest rates again?

[quote]If the economy is booming why are they planning to cut interest rates again?

Because the Chairman of the Federal Reserve hates Trump.

[quote]Because the Chairman of the Federal Reserve hates Trump.

Does the unhinged screaming in your head ever become quiet enough for you to think?

Think, moron. Think.

drill, baby, drill

^^ Sarah Palin, she with the busted marriage.

The world wold be a far more stable place today if the West had allowed Saddam Hussein to march into Saudi Arabia and take control during the 1st Gulf War.

R45, While I totally agree with what you state, I thought the Saudis outsourced their actual grunt level fighters to the desperately poor of certain South American countries.

[quote][R45], While I totally agree with what you state, I thought the Saudis outsourced their actual grunt level fighters to the desperately poor of certain South American countries.

Huh??

If anything, they have outsourced it to Americans. They're the ones who have bases all over that country.

I think the Saudis are hiring East Africans -- Somalis, Ethiopians, etc. UAE has a lot of troops on the ground as well. The US don't have a lot of troops in Yemen. The US specialists are based around Saudi Arabia helping to direct air strikes. Frontline did a really good short series on Yemen, which shows how on the ground the US, UAE and Saudi Arabia are working with Al Qaida and other random groups in Yemen. This woman's work is very good.

Iran said they didn't do it but they are now ready for War. Trump thinks a war will help him win

Republican shill at R56 Blocked.

R72, Mercenaries hired from South America are fighting in Yemen for Saudi Arabia. Linked is just one of multiple sources.

r76 OK, thanks. As a South American, this is the first time I hear it.

I’m talking about the main Saudi army recruits, r71. However, you’re probably right that the ones on the ground who are actually doing the fighting are foreign mercenaries.

Trump:

Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!

Tom NIchols:

Imagine if Hillary Clinton - or, God forbid, Jeb Bush - had said that the U.S. is just waiting for "the Kingdom" to send us instructions. Rand Paul and the Trumpentariat would be having multiple aneurysms.

Local prices unchanged. Cheapest price still #2.29

You can sit in California and direct a missile to hit a target in Afghanistan. In fact, it’s not even military people who do this. It’s Raytheon contractor.

Cool chart showing drilling depths.

It’s a great concern that these drones, which cost relatively little, are a whole new military device. It’s like the aero plane in WWI; or the tank and aircraft carrier in WWII.

Between computer viruses and drones, I hope our military is adapting. Both could bring the fighting-front to the American shore. Both are inexpensive, easily deployed, and hard to defend against. They are exactly where I’d be investing if I were a US adversary. It’s a way to even the field. Of course Iran couldn’t face the US in conventional war, but they could use these new weapons.

I'm still waiting patiently for a Colossus The Forbidden Project scenario to come to pass where every country's defense AI have a meeting and realize humans are just too mean and stupid to be trusted and decide to protect us from ourselves.

[quote]Both could bring the fighting-front to the American shore.

It's already been brought.

Does anyone of one of us believe that Iran has or developed their own drones that they can navigate so precisely to be able to pull of this successful Saudi attack?

I do not believe even one thing that Pompao or Trump says. They lie about everything.

US oil futures settled down 5.7% at $59.24 a barrel. It was the worst one-day drop for US oil since August 1, according to Refinitiv. Oil prices initially fell after Reuters reported Saudi Arabian oil production would return to normal within two to three weeks.

Tuesday afternoon, Saudi Energy Minister Abdulaziz bin Salman said the country's oil exports would not fall in September, as the kingdom will rely on reserves to keep exports stable.

Investors took that as a positive sign about the impact of the weekend's attacks on global oil supply. Brent crude, the international benchmark, settled down 6.5% at $64.55. On Monday, oil prices shot up more than 14%.

yes, they used the drones to seize those ships...so this could be them.

i bet they bought shit loads of oil stocks before this happened and cashed in when they went higher after the incident. $$$

cunts!

How come all my oil stocks went way down?

oil prices spiked after the attacks, those cunts profited I'm sure.

[quote] Between computer viruses and drones, I hope our military is adapting

How do you think things are mysteriously blowing up inside Russia?

PS - I’m afraid that it’s how a lot of wildfires get started, too. I really believe wildfires are economic weapons in today’s world, destroying resources, destroying sources of oxygen and destroying hiding places.