Bernie is going to win...

LOL, no.

Who?

I don't mind if Bernie wins but I don't have the stomach for a year of dumbass fan gurling on DL for each of these Dem candidates.

R3 Understandable.

I don’t give a flying fuck who wins as long as it’s a Democrat. We need go get behind the nominee.

Bernie’s blessing is his consistency. The clever smears never work and stick because his public record is unmatched by ANYONE else. He has integrity and has always fought for the underprivileged underrepresented. He inspires people which is amazing in and of itself considering his gritty deliveries.

No one can deny that man has heart, passion and a true vision.

And no one can deny he has the biggest movement going, receiving more individual contributions than any other candidate in US history.

He’s the only candidate that has consistently beat Trump in the polls during the last four years. He’s also the only candidate Trump backed out of a debate with in ‘16, and is also the only candidate Trump truly fears.

No fucking way. I will not even vote for him if he is the nominee. Fuck no.

I'll skip the president and I'm in California so it's not a vote for Trump.

I like that gif.

R7 Thanks for admitting that.

"his public record is unmatched by ANYONE else".

That's technically true, since the rest of them have all done something in their careers.

R6 is Helen Keller. I mean I'll vote for Bernie but he has little achievements as a Senator, he's old as the Appalachian Mountains, and his wife is a dirty crooked cunt. But, RAH!

Oh, sweetie. If you only knew....

You're high OP, aren't you?

He must be getting paid by the Russiapublicans to run again, because all they'll have to is say 'Socialism' and he will lose historically bad.

r7 I bet you're a hillary/biden supporter, thanks for outing yourself.

Biden leads Trump by much more than Sanders in every poll.

r16 He's been on a decline for several months every time he opens his mouth.

Bernie vs Trump

Can't lose either way. Dream race.

R16 What don’t you understand regarding his OBVIOUSLY declining faculties? They shouldn’t be used to smear him but they should be an indicator that he is simply not fit for the position. His more unpalatable gaffes are also prime fuel and ammunition for Dump and it’s dumplings.

Bernie is playing fucking baseball for hours and in his late seventies while Biden is popping blood vessels and reimagining heroic events.

The bias is unfuckingbelievable. And REAL.

So long as Trump loses, I'd be happy with a dead cat for president.

I'm so excited to have our first ever president to yell: "Get out of my white house lawn!"

That president was elected in 2016 R21

That was more or less his campaign platform: all you brown and black people--get off my lawn! Unless you're mowing it that is. Then you can stay there.

[quote] He's been on a decline for several months every time he opens his mouth.

Or opens his eyelids.

I wish people wouldn't get their hearts set on one particular candidate winning.

Go out and vote for the candidate you like the best in the primary. After it's all over, don't set yourself up to be crushed if your favorite doesn't win. Just commit to voting in the general election, no matter who.

Looking at all the intention to vote surveys, I have come to the perspective that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate to beat Trump.

Also, in some media sponsor polls they are neck and neck. These are the polls that are unreliable due to high bias. Moreover, The Mainstream Media is covering Biden, and not Bernie. Bernie Sanders is polling equally to Biden, in the highly bias DNC/wall street polls. I call these polls, "Don't you love Biden and hate Socialists" polls.

90% of this thread will be moot about 27 hours from now.

The media is not our Democratic ally in this upcoming election. They will stir shit to the end, just like they did on Hillary.

A lot of corporate democrats would rather keep trump than having Bernie win, it's just the sad reality that nobody will tell you.

The owners of mainstream media want Trump. They want Biden to run against Trump because they want Trump to win.

To be fair to them, every week trump does something they can talk about, I remember CNN President said that trump is a horrible person but he's good for ratings. I swear to god these elites/ceo people are psychopaths.

I resent the hell out of Bernie. He isn't a Democrat, but runs for our nomination, causes drama, whines that the DNC doesn't treat him fairly. He half-ass endorsed HRC, did a bit of campaigning for her, and did nothing to support down ticket races, and then jumped ship back to being independent. Same thing this time around. Using us to try to get a major party nomination. I have seen no emails sayin make a donation that is split between me and the DNC, but I have seen those from plenty of other candidates.

He is a spoiler who is once again using the Democratic Party, and will drop us like a hot potato the minute he does't get the nomination.

I want an actual DEMOCRAT to get the Democratic nomination. If somehow old cranky-ass Larry David manages to get the nomination I will vote for him, as any non-repug is better than Trump. I won't be happy about it though

His presence mainly just serves to sow discord and division within the Democratic Party.

But, there are not many wall street Dems to win the election. Often, wall street Dems are closeted republicans. They vote republican and donated privately to republican organizations.

r31 Gone are the days of old centrist corporatist candidates, moving forward you'll be faced with more Bernies and Trumps because that's the future of America, a fascist populist on the right or a socialist populist on the left. The choice is yours.

Let's get some facts straight, Borris [R31]:

-Bernie Sanders holds a senior position in the DNC.

-Bernie Sanders mobilizes many independent, swing, liberatrian and one-issue voters over to the Democratic in national elections.

-Bernie Sanders caucuses with the Democrats.

-Bernie Sanders worked his ass off to get Hillary elected. Actually, some would say he worked harder than Hillary. The dude is a powerhouse grassroots campaigner. This is an important skill to win the WH and sweep the 2020 election.

In the primary I am a NEVER BERNIE, primarily because he REFUSED to join the Democratic Party. He only wants to use the Democratic Party platform for his own purposes, holds them at arms length, then complains when the party doesn't do what HE wants.

You have to be a team player and get involved. Are the Dems perfect? Hell no, but you have to suit up, get involved, and change it from within.

r35 Team player, wait for your turn, dont rock the boat, be polite, dont be angry, dont embarass the party, stick with the talking points, yada yada yada we've heard it all and we're done with it. You can vote for the fascist if voting for Bernie upsets you so much.

[quote]Bernie Sanders worked his ass off to get Hillary elected

Only after she bought him a $600,000 lake house to add to his collection. Not all whores come cheap.

Yeah, we get it, OP, you are all in on Bernie. You haven't just drunk the Kool-Aid, you are swimming in it. Good for you. Some of us prefer other candidates. I won't vote for Bernie in the primary, but if he gets the nomination I will vote for him in the general.

Your assertion that if we won't vote Bernie in the primary that we might as well go ahead and vote for Trump is ridiculous and childish.

Bernie Sanders is running for President in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. This is why he is on stage during all those DNC Debates.

I do not want you to repeat this ignorance anymore. You have the correct information NOW!

Bernie is a Democrat when the Democratic Party is useful to him. Once it no longer is he leaves the party. That is what he did in 2016, and he will do it again in 2020 if he doesn't get the nomination.

He caucuses with the Democrats because it is convenient for him to do so. He has no skin in the game when it comes to the Democratic Party, and that hurts down ticket races.

You boomers have destroyed this country, now we're trying to fix it but apparently we're gonna have to wait for you to die out it seems.

[quote]Gone are the days of old centrist corporatist candidates, moving forward you'll be faced with more Bernies and Trumps because that's the future of America

Nope. You can pretend all you want but those are not our only two choices. Lying really isn't an effective tactic.

Good luck electing wall street darlings Biden and Hillary in 2020 and later. If she couldn't do it in 2016 agains trump lol let alone in the future.

Bernie's a socialist. No way people will vote for a socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union.

I have no intention of voting for him in the primary, and will write someone in if he miraculously gets the nomination. I live in Texas, so it’s not like my vote counts anyway. He’d be the second most awful president we’ve ever had, and his insufferable Bernie bro supporters (like OP) are as crazy and wild-eyed as Trump supporters.

OP can go fuck himself.

[quote]moving forward you'll be faced with more Bernies and Trumps because that's the future of America

If that’s the case, then the country is doomed and there’s no point in voting for anyone.

r45 When we lose to trump in 2020 you'll have this type of people to thank, they prefer an anti gay fascist putin like rather than a milk toast socialist.

People wonder how the hell guys like Putin, Duterte, Bolsonaro got elected ? This thread explains exactly how.

I would vote for a pus filled cactus before I would ever vote for the demented yam. If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him. However...I sincerely hope it isn't him.

Pete! The best of the bunch.

The top choice of professionals with graduate degrees.

I will vote for him. I will vote for any Democrat. I hated Hillary and I voted for her. My favorite at this point is Warren and then Mayor Pete but if Bernie is the candidate of course I will vote for him. How anyone can not vote or vote for a Republican after all that we know is disgusting and against democracy. Those Log Cabin Republicans make me want to puke.

Too much to respond to in here for tonight.

Bernie isn’t winning SHIT. His time is past. None of the 2016 Bernie Bros I know is supporting him now. Most of them are for Liz Warren and are happy about it.

RR54 Oh, hun, get ready for tonight. Bernie is going to eviscerate your candidate(s).

Can’t wait for the gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair at r55’s house when Bernie goes down in flames. Dems will not forget and will not forgive and will not support him, and now, thanks to Liz, the progressive ones don’t have to.

Bernie Sanders is a "S"enator, a US Senator in our country, which is DEMOCRATIC. He was elected to office via a democratic process and the popular vote. Unlike Trump, who lost the popular vote.

Bernie wins elections. Just another skill we need in 2020. Someone who wins. Someone in office NOW.

R56 Sounds like you’re self projecting.

I wish Sanders wasn't running. He's unelectable and would make a horrible POTUS. And you can't just glom-on to the Democrats because running as an Independent would be impossible.

Will he be back in 2024?

R59 You are either lying or deeply misinformed.

I will do everything I can in the primaries to keep Bernie from winning the nomination. But if he's the nominee, I'll vote for him to get that orange piece of shit tossed out.

I would rather vote for that hamburger than for Bernie Sanders.

R63 I’ll change your mind, Tony.

Bernie is at the “grandpa yells at clouds” stage of his campaign. He’s dreadful. A miserable old man

R65 Lies.

He’s a juicy, sexy beefsteak Presidential candidate.

[quote] Bernie is at the “grandpa yells at clouds” stage

At least his body parts aren't exploding when he's under pressure

Op is Dreamin'

Bernie had to be prompted to make his opening statement just now. He didn’t hear when he was announced the first time. I guess an old man should be expected to have hearing loss.

I was for Bernie in 2016. I voted for Hillary who I really hated because WTF. I now want Warren but I will vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination. I will vote for any Democrat who gets the nomination and I can't believe that anyone with even one shred of decency will not vote or vote for Trump. Talk about WTF!

Pete will be voting for Bernie. Kthanx!

i am voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary. I also love Elizabeth Warren. There are great senators. They deserve to be President. I trust them too.

R72 Amen to that.

Bernie has a criminal wife who destroyed a college.

I can’t wait!

Jane Sanders & her kin don't need to be in the WH.

Enough nepotism and financial shenanigans with the Trumps.

Bernie will win.

I can't decide if he was a cute teen or a bit evil clown-like.

Cute teen, especially knowing that cute teen was eager to wrap his lips around a dick.

r15, I'm for Warren at the moment.

Bernie is the Left's Trump. He's supporters are just as delusional.

R80 You’re a riot. 99.9% of all of the Presidential candidates have based their platforms and talking points on the template created and established by Bernie in 2016, and expanded upon for 2020.

I can always spot a rat when their criticisms of Sanders turn into foaming-at-the-mouth rage and hate.

Also 👇🏻

[quote]After numerous political defeats in his traditionally Republican state, Sanders won the office of mayor of Burlington by ten votes. A successful and popular mayor, he went on to win Vermont’s one Congressional seat in 1990. Since then, he has taken many courageous and politically risky stands on issues facing the nation. He has come under fire from various conservative religious groups because of his support for same-sex marriages. His stance on gun control led to NRA-organized media campaigns against him. Sanders has also shown creativity in organizing drug-shopping trips to Canada for senior citizens to call attention to inflated drug prices in the United States.

- Pete on Bernie

Why does he still sound like an angry old Brooklyn deli owner screaming at the customers over ordering the "wrong" kind of pastrami sandwich?

R82 This is one of Bernie’s more endearing and popular qualities: He sounds like a working class New Yorker from Brooklyn or the Bronx.

Americans like the optics of a candidate clearly and sincerely representing the middle and working class people of their greatest and most popular city.

He doesn't sound like a working class New Yorker. He sounds like an angry old Jew. He plays that stereotype well.

He's not playing, r84. That's who he is. And we love him for it.

Yeah, I'm sure his "Get off my lawn" persona will go over real well with foreign dignitaries. Can you imagine?

He's such a fucking slob.

He's a detriment to his supporters and definitely to the Democratic party. The Bernie Bros have no idea how many hundreds of thousands of people they have alienated with their Trump-like methods in their adherence to their cult. What's amusing is now that they are the ones who need all those alienated voters to support their man, they've already blown it, and continue to do so with their arrogance and bullying attitudes.

Bernie's doing nothing. He's not a standard-bearer for the Democratic party. He's only a standard-bearer for his lunatics.

Bernie has done more to divide the U.S. than Putin.

[quote]99.9% of all of the Presidential candidates have based their platforms and talking points on the template created and established by Bernie in 2016, and expanded upon for 2020.

No. Not only false, it's stupid. As for Sanders in 2016, he was simply echoing what other progressives have said before him. He brought nothing original to the table.

Peter was on George Streptacoculous today and he was so intelligent and calm and decent. But I don't know if that's enough to get in the WWF ring with Dotard (at 1:40 mark)

R84 is the perfect example of why Bernie is so hated on this board. It's not the "Get off my lawn" thing or the NY'er thing (I've lived in NYC my entire life and yes, he is very much what NY'ers used to be) it is the antisemitic thing.

Honestly, the "anti-semitic thing" is mostly one DL poster, who spreads that shit over several threads. The dislike for Bernie, where it exists, has nothing to do with anti-semitism. It's everything else. He's a divisive character. That's his problem this time around. Most of the Dem candidates are progressive/leaning progressive, and then there's Liz Warren, who has pretty much a very similar agenda to Bernie's, but she's a uniter where Bernie is a divider. She's warm, not threatening, and gets people to actually listen, where Bernie turns them off.

Bernie brings nothing to the table this time that others haven't brought in a much more attractive package (and I'm not talking about looks).

Bernie Sanders is a well respected US Senator, so is Elizabeth Warren. It is their job to write public policy. Who are the lazy cunts who are mocking them for working, doing their job, which is HELPING US?

I mean, this is a ridiculous attempt to attack them, saying they only like congress members who do not do their job.

I mean, really...

R94 So true.

I love Bernie and through I ended up voting for Hillary, whom I hate, I would have been thrilled to vote for him in 2016. Now, I really want Warren this time around. And good news today, The Working Families Party has endorsed Warren. It is the most powerful Progressive group in the country. Not that it wasn't torn, only 61% of them wanted Warren and the rest Sanders, but it's a BIG endorsement. They will send plenty of money to help her get elected.

R96 That’s great news. I’m behind Bernie but am cheering them both on until the very end.

what I hear is people LOVE Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. But if they had to choose between trump and Biden, they would vote for Biden. This means, Bernie and Warren are doing BETTER with potential voters, than Biden.

Also, I hear A LOT of concern with Biden's poor public speaking and debate skills. If Biden becomes the nominee, he could gaffe and we could lose. This should be a huge concern.

I cannot deal with 4 more years of Trump. Can we all just get behind Bernie Sanders, and let's win this election, a sweep.

Neolibs and Corporatists aren’t interested in anything you’ve pointed out, R98. It’s both frustrating and scary.

I actually think they’d prefer Dump over Bernie and Liz.

Most rich people want the Republicans even if it is someone like Trump. All the neocons in the 80s couldn't wait to get Reagan in as president and destroy unions and regulations. They have no conscience. Money and power is all they care about.

R100 A fight humanity has been embroiled in since Biblical times.

[quote]This means, Bernie and Warren are doing BETTER with potential voters, than Biden.

No, it really doesn't. You have no idea what you're talking about and no data to back up what you're saying.

On the outside chance Bernie wins the primary, there is simply not enough support for his spend, spend, spend platform. People who normally vote Democrat will stay home, giving the Orange Flaphead another 4 years.

R102 We have plenty of data, starting with the fact that Biden can barely attract ten supporters to a Town Hall or rally, lol.

R96 loves to be shouted at by old Jews while he tugs furiously away on his knees. It's a fetish.

Thank you for confirming that you have no idea what you're talking about and no data to back up what you're saying.

If anyone is doing Putin's bidding, it's the guy who honeymooned in Moscow.

R107 Right. By that logic, I suppose all former Republicans turned Democrats are covertly doing the bidding of the GOP....

I posted this in the "Progressive" thread but I want to post it here too. I truly mean no offense to those who still want Bernie. I wanted him in 2016 and I would still be happy to vote for him in 2020 if he gets the nomination.

Daily Kos voting has Elizabeth at 65% and Bernie at 7%. Now I love Bernie. I have always posted I love Bernie but I could not help but get a smile on my face when I saw this. I really want Elizabeth this time. She has backed up everything she wants to do with how it will work and more important (or is it most importantly?) how it will get PAID FOR. She has the backing of the most powerful Progressive group in the nation. I honestly think she can beat Trump and compared to Trump and Biden she's a youngin' and her brain is working just fine and she has more energy than most of us put together. If we can give her the WH and the Congress and Senate she will do amazing things in her first year, absolutely amazing.

I do however think she should do Medicare For All for everyone who wants it. This way she won't give the evil ones ammunition. I will bet in two years 95% of the country will sign up for MFA once word of mouth get around about how great it is. Everyone I know on Medicare adores it, not just the elderly but those who are young and disabled. People wouldn't let their Medicare go for all the private insurance in the country, even the good plans. No private insurance is better than Medicare and if it also includes dental and eye care, and it will, in MFA there is no comparison. There will be nothing but a handful of rich fucks left keeping their private insurance. The insurance company CEO billionaires will be jumping out the windows and isn't that something most of us would like to see?

R108 Don’t feel like you have to apologize for being excited about Warren. I’m behind Bernie but I’ve donated to Elizabeth’s campaign and would/will vote for her in a heartbeat, and with much pride.

I think it’s great that’s she’s risen and that she’s a SERIOUS contender. The more Progressives, the better, tbh.

Even better is listening to Bernie and Liz talk policy and politics. It’s like listening to jazz.

^ Episode 12 (w/ Elizabeth, 2017).

Episode 7 (w/ Elizabeth, 2017) 👇🏻

[quote]Can we all just get behind Bernie Sanders

No, we can't. Liz Warren, absolutely. Bernie Sanders, no. And Liz has much more of a chance of winning against Trump than Bernie has.

[quote]No private insurance is better than Medicare and if it also includes dental and eye care, and it will, in MFA there is no comparison.

But Medicare IS private insurers, who are paid by the government. At least, that's how Medicare works in CA. Once you reach Medicare eligible age, you have to make a choice of which company you want (in LA, it's Kaiser, Anthem Blue Shield, Scan, and a couple of others I can't remember). I just went through this with my mother. She has a co-pay.

If you're speaking of Original Medicare R113, you're mistaken. Under Original Medicare, you pick a doc that takes Medicare, and Medicare pays the doc minus copay/deductible which you pay out of pocket.

Those on Medicare can also sign up for Medicare Advantage plans. Those plans utilize insurance companies that agree to provide at least the same coverage under Original Medicare, sometimes more. There are PPS, PPO and HMO plans.

In NY original Medicare is going anywhere, any doctor, any hospital, any medical supply store that will take Medicare. Many Medicare doctors take what is called "Assignment." That means you don't pay a co-pay. The doctor takes what Medicare pays. It's a good idea to ask any doctor you go to if he or she takes assignment. If not and you have no special reason for wanting that particular doctor, just find one who does take it.

Medicare is a great plan, as is Medicaid. I was on Medicaid for a while and I got excellent care and I saw most of my doctors in their private offices. For the few that I saw at a clinic it as great care as well and often I only had to wait about 15 minutes to see the doctor, an actual doctor who had a private practice elsewhere, not students. The couple of times I had to be hospitalized it was the same as anyone with private insurance, a room with just one other patient in it and my own doctors coming to see me daily, along with the hospital doctors doing their rounds and once an excellent surgeon and anesthesiologist.

Bernie and Andrew Yang have both taken a pass on appearing on the CNN Town Hall about LGBT issues on October 10. Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Booker, Castro, Beto, Biden, Klobuchar, and Tom Steyer.

Bernie and Andrew Yang have "scheduling issues."

Bernie ain't a Democrat. And he'll never be president.

I will give him this, he sounds infinitely more coherent than Biden, and he's 2 years older.

I thought in 2016 that Bernie would make a great president and I still do, but now I think Warren would make a better one and I think she is more electable. That said I will vote for any of them. I'd vote for a rabid skunk against Trump,