Conservatives continue to bully Greta Thunberg

Stop making media stars out of children of any political stripe. It’s just wrong. Let the little attention seekers be the stars of their schools, not in the general public. It’s bad for everyone

She's trying to save the planet by bringing attention to actual climate science. The American right-wingers are truly fucking crazy.

She looks like a Corky.

They're all bad, Republicans and Republican-Lites both.

As she said: ‘You’re not trying hard enough. Sorry’.

All this patronizing praise for her.

Without any action or pledge.

She's trying to save the planet while the Americans consume more plastic than China.

Trying to make a future for her generation. My heart breaks for her and kids her age.

^ But, Mary, do you drive a gas-guzzling car and have a kitchen full of plastic?

[quote] Conservatives continue to bully Greta Thunberg

Be thankful none of them are raping her

Only scum bully or threaten kids like that. I hope their unpleasantness boomerangs directly back at their tiny peckers and cherry tomato sized balls.

Then give up your cars!

In what form does this bullying take?

Awareness is meaningless without a plan for action. I have nothing against Thunberg, but I fail to see the point of her activism. Real activists have specific goals and usually have a plan for how to achieve them. Yelling "Do something!" is not meaningful activism.

There are a lot of hard life lessons she needs to learn, sooner or later.

You are hardbitten r14

You're an idiot if you don't realize that raising awareness is a huge part of activism. Either that, or you know it is, but you're just one of the many DLers who has to bitch incessantly about anything even remotely liberal.

And I don't know who r10 is referring to but that is creepy as fuck.

People exploiting her are disgusting.

People exploiting her aren't as disgusting as polluters exploiting the planet.

Oh yes R14 - you're so right!

Like making as much as money as possible is far more important than saving the planet? That kind of lesson?

I have an acquaintance who keeps posting on Facebook stories about the fantasy of global warming. And I wonder... why? What good does that do?

It's just common sense that if you keep adding more pollution to the world it's going to heat-up.

I read recently that so much of the world's population (Africa, China, India) don't even have electricity, still cook by fire, light by candle. But if they all suddenly started living like Americans (cars, appliances, etc.) we would literally suffocate the planet.

She just needs, a makeover, and DL is the place to do it!

I missed the Greta Thunberg address to the United Nations.

Was it better than the Malala Yousafzai address to the United Nations?

Marry me r21

R13- that is not her role. And often no the role of activists. Action necessary to address the crisis is pretty clear. Suggest you Google Al Gore's recent commentary in the Times for a primer. It's an optimistic look at the solutions for the crisis. She is a child after all-

You bully her, you're fucking worthless TRASH.

Granted, her speech sounded VERY much way over the top, as in rehearsed and overacted.

That being said, people bullying her (or any other kids and teenagers) because of their commitment are nothing but scum.

S C U M.

The right always attacks people who speak out their brutal, inhuman policies. It's the same treatment the Parkland kids got for suggesting it's a fucking scandal that school shootings are so common that the kids are forced to do drills for it. There's nothing too low and revolting for right-wing people to do. They're literally the worst people in the history of humanity. And that includes slave owners.

“You come to young people for hope? How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words.”

“And yet,” she said, “I’m one of the lucky ones. People are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?”

Thunberg’s rage hearkened back to the youth-led Climate Strike last Friday, in which an estimated 4 million people took to the streets across the globe.

“For more than thirty years,” Thunberg said, “the science has been crystal clear. How dare you continue to look away?”

“You come to young people for hope? How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words.”

“And yet,” she said, “I’m one of the lucky ones. People are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?”

Thunberg’s rage hearkened back to the youth-led Climate Strike last Friday, in which an estimated 4 million people took to the streets across the globe.

“For more than thirty years,” Thunberg said, “the science has been crystal clear. How dare you continue to look away?”

Because bullying David Hogg is so 2018.

R3 she is an extremist who doesn’t know the meaning of balance and compromise. I know she can’t help it because of her disability, but still ....

R21 make-over won’t help, she is mentally and physically impaired. Just look at that tiny, malnourished body and the huge, inexpressive face.

HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (angry stare) HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (another angry stare)

(Repeat until 2040 or I drown from melting polar ice. Whichever comes first.)

Who is dressing her to look like she’s a good ten years younger than her real age? And to what extent can one really take a little madam who bullied her mother into giving up her blossoming opera career?

R24 what crisis? Climate changes with or without human influence, there’s no stopping it. It’s better that the earth is heating up, cooling down would be worse.

R33 Swedish cyborg

As Elizabeth Warren said, all the plastic straw stuff is bullshit. It's literally just 3 industries doing 70% of the polluting.

She's no Eleanor Roosevelt.

I don't mind her message, but I really can't stand precocious kids.

No fanks!

I’m not going to pick on her, or what she’s attempting, but all of it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think she’s being exploited.

But I hope she succeeds.

Is she an Indigo Child?

Who's paying for her transcontinental trips and arranging for her to miss a year of school at 16?

Is R36 as fat as she seems?

Will Greta grow up to make some nice lesbian absolutely miserable, and therefore devoted and faithful for 55 years, since they seem to like it that way in Sweden?

Why do autistic people find it necessary to believe they are uniquely "abled" and therefore "better" than others? Is it the delusional state of their disorder or the result of disgraceful coddling and bad educations?

You answered your own question r42

[quote] You're an idiot if you don't realize that raising awareness is a huge part of activism

Who is aware of climate change now who was not aware of it before, thanks to Greta Thunberg?

R24

There is no need for awareness. Anyone who has the ability to do anything is aware.

What we don't have is a plan for action. And there's a reason why Thunberg's handlers (as if her activism is entirely her own doing) aren't having her propose a plan: No one, not even people who agree that climate change is a crisis, wants to hear it. Slowing down (forget stopping or reversing) this crisis will require incredible sacrifices on everyone's part.

R37

Did Warren actually say that? If so, she's lost even more of my respect.

Regardless of which industries are producing and selling the products pouring carbon into the air, making them stop means that we will all go without those conveniences. Say goodbye to single-occupancy vehicles, broccoli in January, and beef at any time of year.

She’s a little brat.

This will backfire. She’s a fad

R47 because of her autism she has no idea what social adaptation and moderation means. It’s like she wants to spit into your face. As the head of a movement, she is a monster.

Yep r48 . The more exposure, the more people dislike her.

[quote]making them stop means that we will all go without those conveniences.

It beats going without potable water. Or oxygen.

Here for y'all to watch, Greta crosses path with Trump at the UN.

What does this make you think?

Typical Aspie stare. She can’t handle anymore stealing her glory

We have been creating a generation of anxiety-ridden, hopeless children, and her message reinforces this. "I want you to panic." oh really? The demoralization Yuri Bezmenov spoke of in 1984 continues. Here's another view.

Now that people don't have religion, they need to find purpose in other things, usually always involving changing other people, viciously.

R52, Trump steals no one's glory, real or perceived.

What a bunch of cunts on this thread.

Greta Thunberg is horrible.

The most evil people on the planet, and judging from the comments half of them post on DL.

There's a video of Gretas How Dare You speech at the Un. It has big colorful letters.

If you are hard of hearing or have difficulty understanding English spoken by people from other countries, this is recommended but I can't find it. I'll try again later.

It is good for people who have difficulty understanding young people or have low comprehension skills.

No one is bullying her, OP. Stop lying. Disagreement and presentation of facts are not bullying.

Greta goof ball

Greta; Emotional Blackmail.

Greta Sparks Fear

Greta says 'The Sky is Falling!'

She throws around a lot of accusations (false ones...no one is doing anything about what she calls the lost cause of climate change, oh really?) and shade. If she wants to be in the spotlight, she should expect people who disagree with her, especially when she is so accusatory towards others. If you are disturbed when, finally, some thinking adults push back, that is your problem. Don't assume they are all conservatives and do not see it as blackmail.

I have only read her name and seen her image and know nothing about her, but every time her picture pops up all I see is someone who is so smug and self righteous that I want to hit her and I’m the most nonviolent person I know.

The Hill:

Video of Greta Thunberg crossing paths with Trump at UN goes viral

Ok, listen. I'm liberal. I fucking HATE Trump. Hate him. Hate what he's doing to the environment. BUT, I'm sorry. This girl comes off a bit, uh, overwrought. She way she speaks a earnestly and angry is ripe for ridicule and parody. She's a gift to the opposition. Our side will pretend she isn't, but she is.

Greta= Gift in disguise

She’s an actress and a phony baloney.

R2 R39 Joan of Arc - 17 Greta Thunberg - 16

I'm amazed that the content of the thread is about whether or not this girl is "smug", "too angry", "poorly styled"... rather the content and event of her speech to the UN. Recent science shows that the global catastrophe is quickening, and this girl's children could very well die because of humans have done to the planet.

R59, because saying she's fucking ugly isn't bullying?

She upsets eldergays.

We are warning you not to be fooled, R70.

R64 Lol, this reminds me of those Alyssa Milano sightings during the Kavanaugh hearings.

“It’s all for you, Greta!”

This reminds me the whole AOC is a bartender rhetoric, i.e. she's not enough but also too much. Why should women care about public opinion if they're always going to fail the test?

R69, give it up. Public people are called ugly or stupid or whatever all the time. No one calls it bullying. You are being manipulative, like Greta, and it ain't working.

Oh, fuck off R75, seriously.

If she wore a MAGA hat you would call for her execution, you hypocrites.

Wake the fuck up, R76, seriously

R77 That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Does anyone know what R74 is talking about?

If Kate McKinnon doesn’t play her on this weekend’s SNL season premiere they’re not doing their job.

R79, actually, it does. I shall go on record that I am a registered Democrat and have been for decades.

If she wore a MAGA hat I'd wonder why she isn't pro-murdering the planet like the rest of the magats.

She riles a lot of people because she makes us see we haven't done anything.

R70

R85 = men are afraid of women who say what they think.

“Everyone is gunning for you right now, because you’re a woman who is talking out of turn about a man. We’re not supposed to have opinions. We’re supposed to smile and look pretty.”

The political exploitation of children. So "progressive"!!

Her speech to day was impressive. She has every right to be angry about greedy ruthless people exploiting the planet and hastening its demise.

What a lot of disrespectful haters on this thread, I ran through my allotment of FFs. I guess most of you haters are trolls.

The proverbial "I didn't ask to be born!" She was born into the upper strata of one of the richest countries in the world. Maybe she should champion the rights of women across the globe, the protection of religious minorities in islamic countries, and the 20 million humans enslaved as we speak.

Maybe you should go out and do that yourself, R90?

I do, R91. I tell the truth wherever I can.

And, R91, to prove my point, I just did.

I did not realize she had quite so many mental issues she is living with, her parents are fucked

I so wish SNL was on to see what they’d make of this.

Find that girl a large public square and a row of tanks. STAT!

Monstrous little cunt.

She is being used but worse is that the people who are using her are doing so to manipulate millions of people too stupid to see the game.

It’s comical at this point.

Does she speak of the astronomical rise of violent crime and rape and the victims in Sweden?

She's done. Her handlers did not expect viewers would laugh at her dramatic speech.

You all seem to have mistaken DL for Stormfromt again.

[quote] and this girl's children could very well die because of humans have done to the planet.

But not this creepy girl herself? That's disappointing.

Counter with facts, R102, not name calling. If name calling is all you got, we shall look the other way.

Her speech was all empty rhetoric and nothing precise or practical. I expected her to use her platform to directly ask her audience to e.g. give up beef, give up air-transported fresh fruit in the winter, give up buying consumer goods transported by sea tanker from China, etc. Practical solutions via communal sacrifices.

But instead she just threw a vague hissy-fit & barbed insults on stage and pointed fingers. She’s a demagogue. All she does is play the useless blame game, while petting herself on the head. She has no interest in even telling her massive followers to stop buying beef.

And all her accusations (“your generation is to blame, not mine!”) are moot. By irony, I bet her generation (across the planet) will actually pollute MORE. Because her generation will be bigger by number (the global population is still growing exponentially). And now that Asia and Africa are growing in terms of economy and catching up with the West - many people there have just recently reached middle-class status (with the ability to buy refrigerators and fly commercial). They are not going to give up their just recently obtained middle-class perks (fruit in the winter, holidays abroad) just because a bunch of rich privileged Swedes (who have been rich for a longer time, thanks to manufacturing emissions themselves) are lecturing them to go back to using rainwater and ride a horse-cart.

Also, Sweden has achieved economic $$$ status thanks to decades of emissions through rapid industrialisation and profitable manufacturing. It would be hypocritical of kids from Sweden to turn around now and tell Asia and Africa that they need to cut emissions. It’s a bit like: “Well, we ourselves now got what we wanted, neener-neener (economic stability thanks to emissions & manufacturing business) - but we don’t want anyone else (in the still developing world, who started industrialisation later than Sweden) to be allowed the same economic growth & quality of life improvement via industrialisation like us!”.

Industrialisation is pollution by definition. But Sweden has already completed its own industrialisation & therefore secured a good economic life for its citizens - so now they can afford to muse about other things. Whereas Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe and South America are still in the process of industrialising and thereby lifting their population out of economic agrarian/rural poverty and starvation. That’s why they’re called the developing world - they started the industrialisation process later than Western Europe and North America.

But the West and North of the planet can’t tell the East and South to cut emissions and stop the industrialisation process. Because ironically that’s how the West and North historically became rich themselves - through high-emission industrialisation. It would be hypocritical for a comparatively rich Swedish kid to deny others the right to an economically improved way out of poverty - and that is achieved by industrialisation, growth of manufacturing and pollution as a side effect.

I wonder what's in it personally for all those who hate her.

R107 I'd like to think it's reaction to, or coverage of, some sublimated guilt for participating in the destruction of the earth. It's likely more self-centered though - an anger covering a fear (as all anger does). The fear of losing status in some perceived hierarchy. "Who is this young GIRL to tell me I've done ANYTHING wrong. Who the heal does she think she is??"

R108 I also feel bad I don't do anything about climate change. But I don't hate her. I'm grateful someone is stepping up to the plate.

Greta is an absolute natural at branding. In next to no time, she’s on the cusp of joining the ranks of Cher, Beyoncé and Madonna as a first-name-only star. The ‘Thunberg’ will be superfluous very, very soon. She needs to start thinking about a) making her first album or film b) forging celebrity alliances with people like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan who also care about the planet, c) taking a chill pill and hanging out in LA.

R109 I do wonder who will be blamed after the inevitable suicide, unless she gets some actual support.

R111 Do you dress up as It for children's parties? It must be a hoot.

R109, you do realise Thunberg is blaming YOU, inter alia. You say you didn’t do anything to help - so, according to Thunberg’s finger-pointing, you are responsible for her depression and panic attacks. YOU, among others, are “evil”, as she calls people.

Don’t think Thunberg is on your side. She wants to punish people like you.

She’s tremendous!

A white, privileged 16 year old makes a speech full of empty rhetoric. And DLers listen attentively and applaud.

r105 / r106 : good points

[quote]Monstrous little cunt.

It's completely psycho what you guys lose your minds over. JLo, Beyonce, Greta Thunberg, you're always screaming that they are the worst humanity has to offer, they have by their mere existence practically ruined the entire world.

But you never say that about Trump or anyone like him. It's crazy. You sound like you need medications and an inpatient stay.

I see the KKKristians have found this thread

[quote]If she wore a MAGA hat you would call for her execution, you hypocrites.

Nobody has even called for the execution of the MAGA hat kids taunting the Native protester or the MAGA hat guy who ate the faces off of a couple, you moron.

[quote]I want to hit her and I’m the most nonviolent person I know

How does this not concern you? You think you're completely nonviolent but you want to beat up a teenage girl? Jesus this whole thread is insanity, what is even going on in your head, how did you let yourself get to this point emotionally and psychologically?

Trump had the best read of her.

This Greta girl looks.. special.

... which was r121?

What facts are there to counter, R104? The fact that all you're doing is calling this kid an ugly, mentally ill cunt over and over?

Seriously, is DL Trumpville suddenly? You people couldn't be any worse than they are.

Thank you for your input, Patsy Stone, at R114.

She reminds me of Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka.

Does she have a mild form of down syndrome or something? Not trying to insult her, just curious.

Sad ...

Newsweek:

Donald Trump Mocks 16-year-old Greta Thunberg, Twitter Reacts: 'She Has More Class in Her Little Finger'

So it is between Greta and Donald for the Nobel Peace Prize. Lol

My money's on Greta in that case.

R69 Her being ugly as sin is the TRUTH. Her creepy appearance is why many dislike her.

I don't get the hate for her. She is really moving, and nothing she has claimed is wrong. When will it be enough to change our ways? Maybe she is being exploited by the media and stupid, half-wit adults have nothing better to do than tear her apart. Yet how is she wrong? ?

I was a kid in the early 90's and I remember collectively pushing for changes the cars were smaller, recycling, making sure we conserved water etc Then something happened with all the escalades, suburbans and everything BIG.. and fake and $$$$$$$$, trash culture reality it's sad leaders and pundits alike are too busy trying to tear down a kid than actually think she's right lets do something about this mess!

R128 please, 'how dare you, how dare you', 'you took my childhood' is neither mature nor classy but extremely remote and socially retarded even for a 16-year old. Her asymmetrical facial expression are creepy as hell, she looks possessed, like chuck's bride in human form.

This thread shows why our country is such a shit hole. All these grown adults mocking and talking shit about a CHILD's looks and abilities, when she is doing far more than the bitter keyboarding cunts on this thread. WTF.

It's little wonder why she's so upset, the adults in charge are pathetic and anemic at best

R133 It's wrong when she claims 'you took my childhood away'. It's very dangerous when she says 'we will never forgive'. She is incredibly self-righteous and hasn't mastered basic human interaction. She is an extremist who doesn't understand the principles of democracy.

I shouldn't be surprised by the number of vastly disturbing people on this site.

[R134]

Gross. Bet you're not much to look at yourself. Typical of a pathetic small dicked man.

R135 It doesn't matter if she is a child or not. She wants to act as an activist and have political influence, so she is judged just as harshly as any other person with these aims. Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat.

R127 that's what I was wondering, too…

R137 Greta's face is what I would call disturbing

[quote]I don't get the hate for her.

She’s female and she’s not being demure.

[quote]I don't get the hate for her.

She’s female and she’s not being demure.

R138 I see you are using Greta's methods: jumping to unproven assumptions. Let me tell you I am completely happy and successful with my appearance. And most importantly, I don't have a face that shows all the signs of FAS like her's.

When I did my pediatric rotation, a term was used: "FLK " - Funny looking kid.

Greta appears to be syndromic, and life is always harder for such people. I hope she gets the help she needs to navigate life.

R127 Her parents admit to Aspergers but rumor is she has FAS. Her face is a textbook example of a FAS face. Guess autism sounds nicer, especially for the mom.

"Stay out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat."

You might want to apply that rule to your Lord and Savior, Donald J. Trump, R139.

In case you've had your head up your prolapsed asshole for the last 5 years, DJT's whole M.O. is to whine and complain about how unfairly he's being treated and how persecuted he is by the news media, Democrats, the deep state, and on and on ad nauseum. If you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the god damned kitchen, and all that happy horseshit.

In fact, the entire Republican Party's whole reason for being is to show how persecuted the white majority is. It has been since the days of Richard Nixon.

R147 bitch, I stopped reading at 'your savior Donald Trump'. This is such a dumb conclusion from you. It's not worth a discussion with you.

If she really wants to save the planet, then she needs to get a good education and do something, not just lecture people. Her parents are getting something out of all this. 16 year olds have served in the military, worked hard jobs, etc.. Her generation wants the grownups to fix everything.

News flash for R148: I wasn't looking for a discussion with you, asshole. I'm just stating facts. Sorry that triggers you so.

R120 Haven't you seen her irritating and angry tone? She is threatening the democratic order by shouting 'how dare you', 'we will never fogive' , 'you took my childhood', 'no one can stop us' etc. All while making the most repulsive, inhuman and asymmetrical facial expressions.

Face it, you're an absolute cockroach and parasite if you go after this kid. There's is somethings o wrong with you.

Even Laura Ingraham's brother called out his cunt of a sibling:

R150 You have displayed your lack of intelligence in an impressive and extensive way, I must say. Thanks for giving us a good laugh.

Fuck you, you pompous windbag at R139/R148/R153.

Take your own fucking advice: if you can't take the heat, stay of the god damned kitchen, you slimy douchebag.

Bwahahahahahah. R139/R148/R153 is a troll. Quelle surprise.

[quote] She is really moving, and nothing she has claimed is wrong. When will it be enough to change our ways?

She said the science was out there as public knowledge for 50 years and “crystal clear” and that people (i.e. everyone except her) wilfully dragged their feet about it - and therefore people are “evil”, R133. That includes you - you are an “evil” adult in her eyes. So you think she’s not “wrong”? You agree that you’re an “evil” adult?

"She said the science was out there as public knowledge for 50 years and “crystal clear” and that people (i.e. everyone except her) wilfully dragged their feet about it - and therefore people are “evil”, [R133]."

You're completely taking various things she said out of context, stringing them together and then adding your own made up shit.

Which means: go fuck yourself, Boris!

Newsflash: She blames you too, R157. You “stole her childhood” through your BAD, “evil” life habits. All the shit you bought from China, transported by fuel-guzzling tanker, just to feed your constant ‘convenient’ demand for more and more cheaper consumer goods. She will “never forgive you” for this, R157. And even if you cut your CO2 footprint by 50% - that’s not enough. Greta says you failed her, you evil monster.

[quote][R147] bitch, I stopped reading at 'your savior Donald Trump'. This is such a dumb conclusion from you. It's not worth a discussion with you.

And yet.

And yet, you are the red-tagged troll.

[quote] I was a kid in the early 90's and I remember collectively pushing for changes the cars were smaller, recycling, making sure we conserved water etc

Smaller individual cars don’t save the planet. Public transportation or constant car-sharing does. Recycling doesn’t save the planet - buying local, seasonal (i.e. no fruit flown in from Morocco in winter) and without plastic packaging does. You can’t save the planet by “tiny, convenient” sacrifices that still comfortably fit your consumer lifestyle - your sacrifices have to big and inconvenient. If you’re a meat eater - give up beef. If you have even a hybrid car but live in a city - give it up and use smelly public transport. If you want a gadget - buy a local, more expensive one and not a more affordable, cheaper one flown by commercial plane from Taiwan. Want a new suit? - buy pre-owned, not a new one. Only when it starts to really hurt and inconvenience you - then you know you’re actually making enough sacrifice.

Because Thunberg said that cutting emissions by 50% is NOT enough. Therefore people, as consumers driving the market demand for goods, need to make even bigger sacrifices to achieve that goal.

[quote]Her parents admit to Aspergers but rumor is she has FAS. Her face is a textbook example of a FAS face.

Her eyes are too closely set for FAS.

Greta is gross!!

I hope Greta brings out a range of planet-friendly scents and lots of other merch. She should also take on a high-powered PR like Barbara Charone. She won’t be this hot forever, so the moves she makes during this phase are crucial to her ongoing celebrity.

Greta Thunberg showed the world what it means to lead.

Hate her?

Feel sorry for her is more appropriate.

[quote]Greta is gross!!

You have the vocabulary of the current president. No surprise.

He Aspergers really is a super power now . She really doesn’t care about what the haters say. She’s focused on climate change.

I thought the depleting ozone layer was going to allow us to be radiated to extinction about 15 years ago.

It's sad so many can only bag on her looks. It's telling when the critique is all in her delivery and the way she looks doing it. Yes she's dramatic and a sees the climate crisis in black/white thinking. She's 16, of course she does! Because she is female she is expected to look cute and not get too upset! Do it nicely Greta @@

Bet if it was Shawn Mendez up there pleading for people to listen, many on here would be behind him and his passionate message. A leader! So brave! So adorable fighting for justice!

r170, maybe consider it a critique of her handlers and the job they are doing, and not so much about her personally. Her management team apparently likes her look and delivery style, and to their credit, it does resonate with many people. However, it also grates on a lot of people. The consultants should find a happy medium for her.

I 💞 Her !

R10

Of course that's partially why they love to promote someone like her. Anyone who dares criticize will look bad. I mean, who dare say anything negative about a child, right ?

Kid arguing in favor of science shit on by DL: Film at 11.

[quote] It's sad so many can only bag on her looks. It's telling when the critique is "ALL" in her delivery and the way she looks doing it. Yes she's dramatic and a sees the climate crisis in black/white thinking. She's 16, of course she does! Because she is female she is expected to look cute and not get too upset! Do it nicely Greta @@

R170 conveniently ignores "ALL" the criticism about what Thunberg actually SAYS (i.e. not even a hint of analysis of various logical basic suggestions, just rabid ranting onstage). You're the one who is reducing everything to Thunberg's "looks", in an attempt to paint her as a 'perpetual victim'.

Feminism is not a shield to HIDE behind. Listen to what Thunberg actually says, regardless of her genitals - it's EMPTY, crowd-pleasing RHETORIC. It's demagoguery. Nothing she says is that helpful or practical, it's just blowing steam and pointing fingers into a void. And she can be criticised for it - having a vulva does not make her exempt from critique.

[quote] Bet if it was Shawn Mendez up there pleading for people to listen, many on here would be behind him and his passionate message. A leader! So brave! So adorable fighting for justice!

Sure, Jan. You're really trying to make this all about the "Patriarchy", aren't you? Well, you're incorrect. Henry Windsor-Mountbatten opened his big mouth and made an empty speech barefoot - and he was LAMBASTED for it. What now, is Henry a female now? According to your theory, everyone was supposed to sing praises to Henry, because he's a rich, privileged male - but instead people are exposing him for what he is: a grand-standing, elitist, preachy hypocrite.

[quote]Of course that's partially why they love to promote someone like her. Anyone who dares criticize will look bad. I mean, who dare say anything negative about a child, right ?

Excuse me, but it's a common theme for prominent right-wingers to regularly attack children deemed "from the left" whether they're children of Dem politicians or someone like this kid or HS kids who've survived a mass shooting. Now show me pundits on the left going after any child for being "right-wing." It's no different from those roaches on the right screaming about celebrities involving themselves in politics, meanwhile, they've cornered the fucking market on celebrities running for office and apparently, people like Ted Nugent, Chuck Woolery (for fuck sake), James Woods, Jon Voight and Kid Rock are allowed to have opinions in their world.

She’s the 🎁that keeps on giving. What a joke

I genuinely hope every person attacking her drops dead. I seriously do. Vile beyond belief. I truly hope you have painful deaths.

R178, an autistic person

She is the typical teen who suddenly, because of brain development, can think abstract thoughts and believes they now know everything about everything and everyone. Vicious contempt soon follows for a few years (how dare you!) until the frontal cortex completes its development at about 25 and they can think with much more complexity. Her affect plays well to the outraged who need a cause.

R179 = a moron who doesn't know how to use "=" in an attempt to weakly attack me.

Yes, keep defending the idea of attacking an autistic child. Such a brave hill on which to die. Accept that you're a douchebag.

She’s so fugly! Mean looking

Post a pic, R183, and let us see what a raving beauty you are.

I'll bet we all have a good laugh (at you, not with you).

" I don't get it. They loved me in THE CHILDREN'S HOUR and now they hate me. I call it unnatural. Well, I didn't say it was unnatural. Mrs. Mortar said it was unnatural like her niece Miss Dobbie............"

Lol r185 Greta is uglier than that kid

Many conservatives are believers in climate change and support environmental initiatives. It’s the Republican elements associated with backwards lowly educated fucktards that have remade the party in their own image that are the problem.

A consensus should and could be have, and it’s necessary to come up with solutions that are wide-reaching and science-based, solutions that actually solve problems as opposed to something that placate angry people. To do that, we need coalition-building, public education, and promotion of collegiality as the public, governmental, regulatory, scientists, and industry forces work together to affect necessary changes. Who we and the media choose to anoint as public face of the movement is important too.

A leader of a movement who imbues her message with emotionally-based language that comes across as accusatory as opposed to wise or educational, this is not a good thing in my opinion. I also don’t like the sole emphasis on government and industries to save ourselves from destroying the planet. For instance why is it that our dietary choices aren’t talked about as a big factor in environmental destruction? But no, let’s continue eating beef and loads of meat and dairy, blame it all on the big bad oil companies instead. This is a multifaceted problem that deserves intelligent approach to educating the public and governmental entities, not an emotionally-wrought teenager who has mental health challenges made possible worse by her all-consuming obsession with climate change.

I applaud the general message but not this messenger. I’m discomforted by elements of exploitation behind her rise to prominence. But most importantly, we need to have coherent, viable spotlight shined on not just climate change but a plethora of environmental justice concerns such as human exposure to non-biological chemicals, pollution dump sites in poor neighborhoods, contamination in waterways and soil, industry lobbyists influencing public policy, etc... Climate change is out in front and center now, but I’m afraid that the message of environmental concerns will be sidelined or viewed as caustic by the general public if the heads of movement become stories themselves or are lionized as icons. The movement should take center stage, criticisms of the messenger should be allowed if they’re salient ones.

This issue is too complex to be mired in slogans and feel-good solutions engendered by impetus to placate overwrought emotions. We should consider the fact that rush to solutions almost always affect the best change, it becomes another change that may even worsen the problem or instigate more problems.

Should’ve been “rush to judgment almost never lead to good solutions”

Forgot to add that rush to implement solutions on a grand scheme is almost never good. We should encourage citizens including both children and adults to help affect change in policy on local levels too. We can see results faster on a micro level that way.

People are attacking her out of guilt. They know they are sitting on their fat, disgusting asses while the planet burns, and they know they are leaving a colossal fucking mess for the next generation, but they DON'T FUCKING CARE, and they don't like anyone who shoves those facts in their fat fucking faces.

Weren’t the Republicans the party who whined that children were off limits? I mean until Chelsea Clinton, then the Obama daughters.

Now it appears they mean only republican children are off limits. Yet, Falwell’s son owned a gay B&B while his father was busily transferring Liberty U assets into the names of various friends.

Trump isn’t even the tip of the iceberg of corruption. It’s time to investigate every republican and their family members who have illegally profited from public office. Those who can be prosecuted must be. Those who can’t must be exposed so the companies they are on the boards of drop them.

Then pass a law that prohibits all members of Congress and their families from trading on or profiting from inside information.

Think beating up on kids is fun? Let’s put your kids in the spotlight.

R190, you sound deranged. Have you relinquished your car for the planet? Any flying recently ? Hypocrite

R192, you're a fucking idiot. It's one thing to call out hypocrisy, fine - that's not what you parasites are doing. How exactly is calling her "ugly" and a "retard" anything other than you being a troll or the actual deranged one? Is it that you're genuinely this loathsome or just trolling?

Shorter: You're a fucking shithead. At least own it.

She is ugly!

"Have you relinquished your car for the planet?"

Have you? Have you flown recently, R192.

And it's not progressives, or liberals or tree huggies commies hindering the development of alternative sources of energy and electric cars, asshole @R192, or should I say "Mr. Koch-sucker."

Exactly, R196. Any attempt to at least impede decline is halted by the right. CA puts in stricter auto emissions standards and Trump and his psychos say "No, we're stopping you from trying to clean the air. We want giant, MFing gas-guzzlers." So government believes in interfering in state's rights only when it involves further polluting the air. What a sick ideology on the right. Fucking cancer, the lot of them

So this child getting an education during all of this?

She could have dropped out of school after the 3rd grade, R198 and she'd still be a hell of a lot smarter than you.

She is an irritating brain washed twit. That type of indoctrination should be treated as child abuse. I wonder who writes the script she reads and emotes to? I wonder how long they practice before they march her before the cameras?

Poor kid. Perhaps if she got HUGE breast implants, dressed in a tight dress, heels, along with 5 lbs. of makeup on her face, and bleached her hair “Aryan Blonde”, they’d listen to her. You know, just like all of the women on FOX, who are required to dress like whores in order to lie to conservative Americans day & night.

Well, she might be able to keep her hair brown, since they all think the FLOTUS is the classiest whore they’ve ever seen.

You don't come to another country and talk shit like she did

Maybe she is a 30-year-old dwarf.

Agree, R188. This story came to mind when I read your post. A rush to change, an appeal to emotion and upon further reflection and investigation it turned out to be dangerous greenwashing of toxins harmful to people, the soil and the water.

Poor R202: his ever so thin veneer of masculinity is threatened by a 16 year old girl.

Must be awful to be such a pathetic wimp.

R204 Exactly, and why we need leaders to be thoughtful, inclusive (instead of angrily casting blame), and solutions-oriented. It does no good to get people worked up emotionally, when it's likely any solutions arising from it would generate more problems. The "forever chemicals" in the so-called compostable bowls are a good example. Similarly, many companies advertise products being free of certain cancer-causing chemicals and preservatives. However, it turns out that many of these replacement substances are either equally toxic or cause another set of health or environmental concerns. So now we've created more problems of consumer complacency on top of new toxic substances being introduced into personal care products and packaging material for food. It's still up to us and consumer lobbyist coalitions to constantly be vigilant about safety.

Greta's mental health has been negatively affected, as demonstrated by dysregulated emotions during public appearances and speeches. Questioning her parents and backers for allowing this should not be automatically dismissed as work of right wing loons. She's someone with a history of serious mental health disorders, and yet she's not in school or getting effective type of help. If it was effective then her OCD and anxiety wouldn't be allowed to flourish in this manner. Being well-adjusted means that she could be attending school, receiving treatment, and still participating as a leader in this movement. Either/ or, black/ white, all or nothing approach is never psychologically healthy for both children and adults, but particularly for a child with significant mental health history. Greta seems like an intelligent, caring (though somewhat misguided) girl though I don't think her parents and backers have her best interests in mind.

Emotions should not be the driving force of policy change, especially policies requiring coordinated efforts of multiple regulatory agencies, industries, governments, and scientific authorities. Yes, leaders of movements should make connections via emotional appeal, but it should not overwhelm other factors because then they'd just be inciting anger while encouraging little else. Most of us have done something based out of raw emotions, things which we then regret later on. It's no different with the all-encompassing nature of environmental issues. Encouraging children to walk out of classes is fine, but educate further on how they can affect change on a personal level instead of demanding change on a global level where the blame is all on governments and industries. Educate kids on how they and their families can make changes to dietary habits to help the environment. Educate them to also eschew fast fashion, electronic gadgets, and other consumerist habits that are all applicable towards affecting positive environmental changes.

Good leaders educate and inspire others, with others following feeling empowered to accomplish steps to further the movement. Good leaders do not castigate without offering solutions, they also do not advance the movement by having an all-or-nothing mentality in relations to affecting necessary changes. To say such-and-such steps are not radical enough or not in accordance to what my specific beliefs are, this kind of leadership is troublesome to me. What's unfortunate is that Greta has aligned herself with anti-nuclear power forces in the Green movement, which ironically makes her a natural ally of the coal industry. The coal industry has spent a lot of money getting people to mistrust nuclear power. This is an example of what I mean when I say there are valid criticisms against what Greta is saying or forces with which she aligns herself. Complex problems demand complex solutions that are not born out of anger and other negative emotions. These solutions require cooler heads examining feasible and effective measures. I don't want to live in a world where the loudest, most emotional, or most popular leaders are viewed as most capable to lead or solve problems complex issues.

Are Americans this brain damaged, judging by this thread? Must be all of the circumcision.

[quote]You don't come to another country and talk shit like she did

Right, better you invade another country and kill a million because people like you only know how to be savages and calling children "retards."

Of all of the "trolling" I've seen on DL, this particular obsession with this kid might be the most pathetic I've ever witnessed. You're the ones who are clearly mental. Fucking diseased.

[quote]Are Americans this brain damaged, judging by this thread? Must be all of the circumcision.

Only conservatives and their flying monkey lapdog neocon liberals and "libertarians"- the attention whores of politics. Parasitic piles of shit.

Why is anyone still talking about her, good or bad? I'm surprised to see this thread still going after the fifteen minutes were over.

She doesn't smile very often.

I don't trust anyone of any age who has an actual messiah complex.

A lot of you sound just like Trump cultists.

Then R212 must not trust Republicans, Evangelicals, Deplorables, Catholics, et al. all of whom have major messiah complexes.

20 years ago there were a lot of conservatives who were concerned about global warming.

20 years of stable temperatures and rising CO2 created serious doubts.

Research implicating solar cycles and myriad unknowns, cosmic and terrestrial, disabused them of any religious certainty regarding CO2 as the sole cause of global warming.

Still, the most shit being spoken is about her looks or making fun of her mental health. Fine, she's a zealot. She's one dimensional, she's being used by her parents. There are fair points to critique but, even though it's fun to rip on celebrities and such, this feel really low. She's a kid, and she's trying to do what she feels is right, as misguided as some may think she is, I think it's wrong to trash her looks because what she is saying makes people uncomfortable.

She's not hawking products or selling a record. She wants leaders and governments to take climate science seriously.

I admire her and her tenacity in the face of so much hostility. She much tougher than our super fragile, so called president or other republicans and pundits

I don't know what's wrong with people when they attack a child, especially one who is trying to do right and get others too. I'm disgusted by all of the attacks on her. Low lifes.

A key to Montréal :

[quote]I don't know what's wrong with people when they attack a child, especially one who is trying to do right and get others too. I'm disgusted by all of the attacks on her. Low lifes.

The same people attacking her are the same ones claiming kids "play too many video games" leading to mass shootings. The right-wing is where genuine evil resides. Horrible assholes.

R68 not saying she's wrong, just that she's not helpful.

Gross Greta!

R221 is truly the intellectual, no?

Go back to what you do best, R221: being the class clown in the 6th grade.

This weekend, I rinsed out a heavy-duty ziploc bag (that contained bagels, so not even soiled) and set it to dry so I could reuse it. Someone said something snotty about their grandma and the Depression and I sanctimoniously asked “What Would Greta Do?”

It gave me a little self-righteous zing.

[quote] I don't know what's wrong with people when they ATTACK a CHILD, especially one who is trying to do right

What is Thunberg "trying to do right", R219? Give me 10 examples of modern consumer-habits that she gave up in order to help the environment.

And she's almost 17 - so while still technically a "minor", she's not completely a "child". She'll be eligible to vote and join the Swedish military in about only a year's time. She also already reached the age of consent (in Sweden it's 15-16).

She's a voluntarily public person on the cusp of legal adulthood - it's ironic that you're criticising others for being too harsh on her, and yet you're the one who is infantilising her, like she's a baby. She's not 9 years old - she'll be 17 soon.

Here is the thing you don't seem to comprehend: The Trump admin. is REVERSING anything everything that at least slowed down our demise. Rather than get pissed at this kid, why aren't you pissed about that? Why waste your fucking time on attacking this young lady for whatever warped reason? Even the actual polluters like car companies are saying to Trump "Woah, even we don't agree with this shit."

That's the reason this obsession with her "haters" is so insane. Trump is making every effort to expedite the destruction of this planet and you're trying to make it about her?

The main cause of global warming is over-population. In 1960 there were about 3 billion people on the planet. But by 2000 (just 40 years later), the population DOUBLED to 6 billion. Now, just 20 years later, we're almost at 8 billion.

The more people - the more plastic waste, garbage, food / meat demand, urban space (housing) demand (deforestation), water demand, electricity demand, etc.

The planet would be better off if we reverted back to the 1960 population figure (3 billion). So we need to slowly reduce the world population by about half. Instead of empty ranting, Thunberg should tell her followers (including her generation) the harsh, cold truth: in order to save the planet, they need to stop having unprotected sex and breeding like robots. Even Thunberg's parents had 2 kids - because apparently 1 kid is "not enough". People say if you & your partner don't have kids, you're "not a complete family" then - that is a reckless, moronic tradition.

But of course the majority of breeders likes having sex and having babies too much - they'll never give it up. Even if it means we'll eventually over-exploit the whole planet.

There's also a correlation between the increasing human population - and the resulting increase in extinctions of other species and decline in biodiversity and forest space.

Basically, by over-breeding we're pushing out many other species of animals and plants (except for urban rats, cockroaches and domestic cattle for meat) to the brink of extinction.

[quote]So we need to slowly reduce the world population by about half

So, "Inferno" wasn't so far off.

I thought meat eaters were causing the planet’s imminent demise.

She smiles:

Someone is probably tickling her feet, r230.

Populations are actually falling in Western countries. As with carbon, her target audience are not the drivers.

Let her take her carbon message to China and India. Will the Chinese govt coo over her?

Let her take her poputlation message to African countries. Will they have any interest?

Surely you jest, R220? Helpful? She's raising awareness of the looming disaster. WTF are you doing besides dragging her?

Is it helpful to ignore science or the IPCC report? Is it helpful to continue to deflect public concern while continuing along a path of destruction?

Yeah, you're the 'helpful' one who gets to judge.

Sure, R232, 'let her' do this. Language of the holier than thou is so easy to recognize.

How about YOU go to China, if you're so smug and self-righteously sure about her message being useless here. How about you get off your ass and garnish some PR for the only planet you call home getting trashed instead of saving up your trickle down cash for a ticket to Mars on some billionaire's fantasy plan. As if they'd have you or save you a seat.....bwahahahahahaha. Asshole.

[quote] Populations are actually falling in Western countries.

That's a misleading metric. The population (even in Western countries) is still growing. The lower birth rates simply mean we're growing at a SLOWER rate than we used to - but we're STILL expanding. Our population DOUBLED in just 4 decades, so of course we slowed down a bit compared to that - many cities (even in Asia) are running out of space and people are feeling the financial and space squeeze. But people are living longer, people are having children later in life. People who can't have children are now getting surrogates, just to satisfy their uncontrollable need for breeding. So the population of many Western countries is actually not diminishing, but increasing:

[quote] Population in the world is currently (2019-2020) growing at a rate of around 1.08% per year (down from 1.10% in 2018, 1.12% in 2017 and 1.14% in 2016). The current average population increase is estimated at 82 MILLION people per year.

82 million per year - that's the size of a medium-sized country! That's about the population of Germany. So we're growing by basically adding an additional country / an additional "Germany" to the planet each year.

[quote] She's raising awareness of the looming disaster. WTF are you doing besides dragging her?

R233, what are you doing besides dragging people who note that inciting a "mass panic" doesn't help. There was a mass panic during the Fukushima nuclear disaster - "Oh, my god! Nuclear disaster! Radiation! We're all going to die! Run for your lives! Save your children!". And, guess what - a disproportionate number of people died in the mass stampede and mass panic. They died not from radiation - but from someone like Thunberg scaring a mass of people into a wild-frenzy panic mode ("Nuclear energy will kill us! Never use it again! I want you to panic!").

And a lot of DLers are actually ironically helping the environment - unlike Thunberg's breeder parents who think 1 kid is not enough. Being gay and old-school, many DLers are choosing not to have crotchfruit, especially later in life. And people should learn from DLers in this respect. The smaller the human population will gradually become - the better for the environment and other species.

Not having kids is helping much more than sailing around the world like Thunberg and then pushing out 2-3 kids in your 20s-30s, to perpetuate the cycle of over-populating the Earth all over again.

R236, again, You have a concern about China or India? Go there yourself and fuck off with trying to tell this young woman where to go or what to say.

She's done her job if jits like you notice and criticize her and boy does that piss you off.

Thunberg is telling Congress, the West, the UN to pay attention to the science. You, on the other hand, want to characterize her as some uniformed, immature fear monger without understanding anything else she's doing, has done, or will do and equating it to the panic of another incident.

How foolish you are to try to create false equivalencies around disasters to try and prove your point. It makes you look demonic and uncaring, unlike Greta, who gives a damn.

Good for you that you think you're doing something great by criticizing her efforts at creating awareness.

R237, lol, so Thunberg can tell everyone what to do and what to say - but I can’t tell her the same? What is she - an off-limits “sacred lamb” behind red tape? The world works in mutual ways. It’s not a one-way street. If she wants to stand on a soapbox & correct others - then I can likewise correct her empty, trite, populist rhetoric.

I can go up to your home, or to the UN, and start preaching, saying the same banalities as her: “End world hunger - now! People are suffering! People are dying! Children are being denied their childhood! How DARE you eat 2,000 calories per day - while others are starving!”. And, what, do you think me pointing fingers at your stomach full of food will change anything? Me snearing at you and blaming you won’t make you donate more food to food banks. But if I come to your door and calmly reason with you and give you several (pragmatic) options & incentives to help - maybe you will. This is basic school psychology - snearing and blaming others is ineffective.

[quote] She's done her job if jits like you notice and criticize her

What “job”? Her words haven’t changed anything I do daily any differently. Because she hasn’t said anything practical. Watching videos of Thunberg snearing hasn’t had any pragmatic effect on my life, whatsoever.

[quote] Thunberg is telling Congress, the West, the UN to pay attention to the science.

Most members of the UN are developing countries and they don’t give a heck what some rich (to them) blonde white Swede rants about.

[quote] You have a concern about China or India? Go there yourself and fuck off

I don’t have a concern about China. They were the only country in the world that tried to do the right thing - encourage a logical 1-child policy. It didn’t quite work, but it was an idea in the right direction. I have a concern about countries like Britain and even Sweden who bashed China for trying to do (for once) the right thing and even called the idea of limiting (unsustainable) human breeding rights “draconian” and a “violation of human rights”. What’s the point of me recycling, driving a hybrid car and limiting my read meat consumption - if people just keep encouraging over-breeding like rabbits and negating all my efforts.

But Thunberg will never talk about teaching people sustainable population control - because then even her “eco-supporters” can turn on her. Nobody wants to hear they have to control their sex desires and breeding fantasies.

Fugly kid

Actually a lot is being done but when you are a 16 year old who can start to think abstractly for the first time, it seem like it is all about you and you have all the answers no one else ever thought of. Actually, she doesn't provide any answers or facts. She has an obviously effective shtick, but she is being used, poor child (I guarantee she wil commit suicide within the next 5 years). Calling the whole charade for what it is is not bullying. OP.

The message is good but there is something wrong and attention seeking about Greta's personality.