Beyonce’s new flop album The Gift” Projected For 13-18K US Sales, 50-70K Total US Units

Nobody cares about these old broads anymore. Time away and children have finished them with the buying public.

Never got her.

She’s still wealthy beyond belief. She should just hang it up and enjoy all the things she worked so hard for.

R3 she does whatever she wants because she is wealthy beyond belief. That’s freedom. You can do anything.

R4, wouldn’t I like to know.

But, she *can’t* hang it up and enjoy that money, because money isn’t the point, for her. She’s a workaholic and I suppose she’s become addicted to fame. That’s why she’s a famous bazillionaire and I’m not.

If I had her money, no one would ever see me again. Except at bookstores and bakeries and beaches.

She had hoped the album would be as big as Whitney’s The Bodyguard 😂😂😂

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At this point it appears that Ed Sheeran will repeat at #1 😂😂😂 in his second week, and Beyoncé's inspired-by set, Lion King: The Gift, will battle a resurgent Billie Eilish—now approaching her 17th week—for the #2 spot 🤣🤣🤣. As for Disney’s actual Lion King soundtrack, so far the film's explosive box office has not translated into mega-streams and/or sales, but we'll keep a close eye on the situation. That said, Bey's Gift is #1 at iTunes and the official ST is #4.

All music these days seems to suck.

Her name while promoting the Lion King should be: King-Kong-Ce. She's bloody bigger than Meghan Markle.

R8: Oof. No, dear.

Maybe greediness back fires on her ? why the need for releasing 2 albums? in fairness to her, at least she didnt bundled it with anything like others did. lol. Can you imagine if she bundled it with TLK movie tickets? And I bet Billboard will let her get away with it too. Felt sorry for her Beehive fans who are gloating that she will easily bettered Gaga's ASIB.

She’s officially OVA and she’s not even 40 yet if her fake age counts

She's literally Satan.

MARY! R12

She’s not over. She’s getting ready for her second life as Blur Ivy Carter’s stage mom.

I’m glad this bitch is finally fading out of popularity. Long overdue.

She’s pretty r2. That and a lot of polish got her a long way.

No, she’s not pretty. She’s also getting fat and ages quickly.

Gaga's ASIB soundtrack was near perfection. Her best album, IMHO. This Beyonce's album feels dated. Even worse, it's boring.

BuyOnce is covered in flop dust. She will continue to get fatter by the minute, and have ambien sex with with fugly Camel Joe.

Has Jay-Z commented yet from Tidal HQ?

People already have the original Lion King soundtrack. Can You Feel the Love Tonight and Circle of Life are still widely played today.

Beyoncé didn't bring a great new song. Elton and Tim Rice's songs are too memorable.

Her and Jay Z are overrated, wish they would go away and count their money. But I have a feeling their spawn is going to get foisted on us.

She is probably planning a Destiny's Child reunion album, which will be massive if it ever happens because they are such a 2000s nostalgia act. She can tour for eternity just like Frankie Beverly and MAZE, without even covering her own solo catalog. Beyonce has it made bitches.

Beyonce was better in Destiny's Child in my opinion.

From what I read on Twitter, that's an Afrobeat album, so its performance maybe doesn't say much about her career.

Flop is flop. GP are just not interested in her anymore. She’s an arrogant person considering she’s not a “bright” and academically educated person.

She doesn’t follow anyone on IG or Twitter. She has never given any interviews nor has she ever complimented other female artists (except Madonna of course). Hopefully her last two majorly flopped albums will give her a wake up call.

Beyoncé, you are no longer young and attractive.

Queen whut?

[quote] Her and Jay Z are overrated

Oh DEAR.

Her Twitter stans are absolutely delusional and can't stand the fact that she's OVAH.

She’s not over. She brings in millions upon millions on tours. She doesn’t need albums.

R30

Problem with Bey is she began to believe in her own hype. Then nothing she did was tinged with any nuance or intelligence, even her foray into social issues through music was more slogans than deeply reflective. Recently she’s come to embrace the fact that she’s a big girl instead of going on vegan fasts to lose weight before gaining everything back and more. Fine, whatever, she’s always been thicc even when she was at her slimmest circa Austin Powers movie. But now she’s styling herself way wrong, as if she could compete with Diana Ross in her heyday wearing all those extra, flowing fabric. On Bey it looks ridiculous because we know she’s trying to detract us from focusing on her figure with the excess fabric. Worse thing is she’s become too serious, not a good thing particularly as she’s uneducated and far from a deep thinker. Her fans’ online behavior do not help endear her to neutral public. I still like some of her older hits though.

When the queens in RuPaul's Drag Race can't imitate you because there's nothing interesting or memorable about you, you're OVER!

She needs to do a straight up Beyonce album and much will be restored.

No Beyonce fan wants to hear her singing with Jay Z or singing Lion King songs.

We want another Lemonade.

I'm committing infidelities as fast as I can! I'm only one man!

When Beyonce was the best thing since sliced bread:

R36 That’s one of her problems - she’s still doing those same tired dance moves where she just sways back and forth.

Beyoncé is a good dancer.

IMO She is a better dancer than she is a singer, even though she can do both. She has natural rhythm and makes even the simplest movements like @ r36 look sexier than if anyone else was doing them.

It will be interesting to see how Gaga's upcoming album does without a big movie to help promote it. ASIB was her first hit album in years. She's bigger than Beyonce in Europe, so it will definitely do better over there.

R12 MARY!

Bey may have overstuffed the stocking.

In just the last 3 years, she's had Lemonade, the Carters (with that fugly ass husband of hers), the live Homecoming tour, and now this. Probably too much.

For awhile, she was virtually worshipped. She can afford the best songwriters and producers and marketers. So her music probably isn't any lower quality that it was before.

So, why aren't people buying her music? Were her fans teens who've now grown up? Have the masses moved on to Miley Cyrus and Ariana Grande? Or, someone else?

Bey is big in Europe.

Bey is big.

What took so long for fans to turn on her. There was the Earth Mother persona a couple years ago, the weird name she gave her son. And don't forget about that bizarre near nude photo of her holding her newborn twins.

Fans didn’t turn on her. Wtf. Lmao.

[quote]Bey is big in Europe.

Somehow I'm skeptical.

I'm not sure she has "embraced" her walrus look. I watched that London Lion King "premier" as it was pretty much happening, and they couldn't photoshop the pics fast enough. She is huge and her face is loaded.

She dances like an expensive cheerleader and maintains her forever overall pageant style.

[quote]She can afford the best songwriters and producers and marketers. So her music probably isn't any lower quality that it was before.

I beg to differ. Her music was much better when she first went solo and when she was with Destiny's Child. Like a lot of pop stars, it went downhill when she started to take herself too seriously and thought she had something of substance to offer the public.

A Lion King-themed Beyonce album sounds a bit niche.

Also the album is very “African” centric. Most wont care about it.

Beyoncé’s been big in Europe since the early 00s. People on here love to lie and re-write history.

ITV even did “A Night With Beyoncé” special because she was so popular, her first TV special.

r53 Britney Spears was in Europe in the early 2000s. She's not big today.

I'd rather hear a European comment on this subject. As a non-American, it's been my impression that the overhyping of Beyoncé is something that only happens in the US.

She may not be “overhyped” in the UK but that doesn’t mean she’s not famous.

Beyonce should do an album of Aretha Franklin covers and call it "The Queen Sings Aretha".

Beyoncé ís huuuge in Japan

Beyoncé couldn't get a Number One album????

Way to go, Madame X!

R58 Vadge had a number one (that broke the records of the fastest falling album of both a female artist AND solo artist) only because she inflated sales by automatically including it with tickets, which Beyonce did not do.

Only because Beyonce isn't doing a tour with her album!

Beyoncé is the voice of our generation. The greatest performer of all time.

Although she doesn't give interviews and has co-writes with 70 other people on one song, she is obviously one of the most intelligent and talented songwriters ever.

The reasons she doesn't give interviews is because it would be too much for us to hear her views on social issues. She's too intelligent even for her own Beyhive.

Beyonce could be a cyborg and we would never know.

Hmm, that would explain the complete lack of personality and the robotic dance moves.

The only way a has-been acts can get #1 album is via bundling. Beyonce should know better.

We're still available, bitch.

Beyonce has a figure that's made for caftans now, caftans with yards and yards of fabric draped strategically across certain problem areas on her body.

Beyonce's music is not big in Europe anymore, to suggest otherwise is false. Her songs and albums don't do well anymore. She's still big as a performer, and her tours do very well, but her music doesn't.

Gaga, on the other hand, is still quite big in Europe. She can still chart well over there. She's a bigger international star than Beyonce.

[quote]Then nothing she did was tinged with any nuance or intelligence, even her foray into social issues through music was more slogans than deeply reflective.

Because she's dumb. D-U-M-B dumb. In interviews, she appears to be mildly retarded. Like, Britney-level stupid.

R68 thank you. I’m all about people doing well and doing right. At the same time I cringe when she speaks.

^^^At least Britney can blame her hillbilly defective genes and mental illness, LOL.

Madame X is very intelligent and witty in interviews.

Say what child

Are there any examples of Beyonce being interviewed where she comes across as borderline developmentally challenged?

No r73. She’s just robotic. Everything she says is PC and rehearsed almost. She’s smarter than you guys wanna believe. No controversy to hurt her brand.

[quote] No [R73]. She’s just robotic. Everything she says is PC and rehearsed almost. She’s smarter than you guys wanna believe. No controversy to hurt her brand.

No controversy? Her husband screws anything thst stands still and she uses her "music" to reprimand him. Weird.

The Got2BReal videos had a lot of fun with Beyonce. They always portrayed her as being a complete idiot.

lmao @ 2:15

A dumb and uneducated black woman who bleached her skin and dyed her hair blonde. She must be ashamed of being black. Just saying

Gaga's definitely bigger than Bey in Europe, Oceania, and South America. Bey is bigger here and Asia.

[quote]The reasons she doesn't give interviews is because it would be too much for us to hear her views on social issues.

That is totally absurd. The reason she doesn't give interviews is that she'd sound like the uneducated dimwit that she is. She'd get her subject-verb agreements mixed up, say "axed" instead of "asked" and just generally sound as though she were advocating for Ebonics.

I'm not a big Madonna fan but at least she's intelligent and moderately well spoken, more so than any other pop artist, anyway. Christ, next to Beyonce Madonna sounds like an Oxoniensis while Beyonce just sounds strait outta Compton.

Beyonce has what is essentially a 6th grade education.

R79 she didn’t bleach her skin. It’s all about makeup and lighting you dumb fuck.

Another white trash human showing HIS lack of education.

Her race has NOTHING to do with anything. You just exposed yourself.

Beyoncé’s education is no less than those other pop stars.

Madonna is a dumb woman's version of a smart woman.

Smart women don't talk like 14-year-olds on social media, don't use grills, and don't adopt unnatural accents in a desperate bid to look sophisticated.

See the video where she drops the word reductive to describe Gaga. She was so full of herself for such a trivial display of vocabulary. Like a precocious preteen. But ofc, she was in her 50s.

Beyoncé didn't have a real hit since Single Ladies a decade ago.

She's more known for being Beyoncé than for her music now and it shows.

Drunk in Love went to #2 on the Top 40. That’s a hit r85

I think calling something that people pay for, The Gift, is a bit smug.

R84 is reductive.

I feel sorry for her. I really do. I cannot root for her failure like I have seen many others do. It must hurt to put your heart and soul into creating something deep and meaningful only for people to not give a shit and be completely disinterested. I don't understand how this could have happened. Beyoncé is one of the most beloved stars of our generation, everybody adores the original Lion King and couldn't wait to see the remake, so it should've been foolproof. But something went wrong. I guess nobody can succeed at everything.

Hopefully they will at least remember her when award season comes around. I think she deserves Grammy nominations for this music and an Oscar one for Best Original Song too.

I can’t feel sorry for anyone with her net worth.

She’s obviously ambitious and hardworking but it is grating how she insists on presenting herself as the artist who does it all. Her songwriting/choreography theft has been widely reported so I really don’t know why she bothers. She’s a phenomenal performer redgardless.

Lol at R88.

What Beyonce proves when she opens her mouth and talks more than 2 minutes about serious issues is that education does matter. Same thing with Jennifer Lawrence who sounds like a middle school dropout which she is too.

Madonna and Streisand made their fortunes by themselves. Beyonce got rich and super famous because of Jay Z. She would have gone the way of Janet Jackson had she not married him. She's not smart enough on her own.

R93 Janet had an amazing career at one point. Stfu.

[quote]Janet had an amazing career at one point. Stfu.

She's been over for YEARS.

Madge is over, Janet is over, and Beyonce will be over soon. They'll never been at the top like they were in their heydays. Madge gets more attention for her plastic surgery these days. Janet had her moment for sure but now IDK with that weird marriage/ baby with donor egg at age 50 and obvious struggles with weight. Beyonce is no longer the hot young thing and her fugly husband cheats on her constantly so that she has to comeback at him through songs.

Beyonce weighs more than Adele now. She's gotten huge.

What I don't understand about that ghastly yellow gown is why did she showcase her chunky thigh/ leg? You can actually see her cellulites, she's on her way to being Oprah-size.

It looks like she is retaining fluid, health issue or possible pregnancy?

Either way she has the coveted coke bottle shape that men love, so she can gain weight and still be a dime

R100 Her waist lacks definition and is definitely over 30 inches in that latest photo at the premiere. It's not healthy to have weight gain like that and at such young age. I under body positive and all that, but Black women have the highest obesity rates and T2 diabetes which leads to early death. I wish more influential Black celebrities would speak out about this, a real but silent killer for Black-Americans. I'm not even saying it's her job to do it or that she's way obese (she's overweight borderline obese from the looks of it) but I'm reading some troubling comments from her fans online saying it's okay to be overweight/ obese.

well r101 shes not a spring chicken either, the woman is almost 40 and she's been on the scene since the 90s. She looks like most women in her age range who have had a couple of kids.

Im sure she will lose this weight many times over like Janet. People like Beyonce have the luxury of being fat today and slim next week, as they have access to the best trainers, nutritionists and doctors money can buy. Not concerned for her at all.

Lol at people acting like she’s obese.

Grow up.

I'm sure R193 does the same thing with Mariah and Janet but thinks Beyoncé should not be discussed that way.

r103 =

Another black woman who wishes to be white cuz she is ashamed of being black.

Her last three albums flopped hard and she’s officially oval. I still remember cunty Madonna released COADF when she was 46 years old and it has sold over 11 mil copies ww

Let's not also forget MADAME X hitting NUMBER ONE right before Madonna turns 61!

"We need to wake up!"

R106 she doesn’t wish to be white. If she did Formation would never have happened.

You’re just a racist always going on and on about black People. No one here is bashing her because of her race as she’s a generic pop star but you have to keep on with race.

Beyonce is a basic bitch

R78 like this video too. Her luggage comment always kills me.

I don't know her.

Why are we comparing her to Madonna vs. her peers aka the pop stars she came up with in the late 90s/ early 00s during the TRL era?

Because her stans seem to think she is the Messiah

What peers?

Alicia Keys? India.Arie? Vivian Green?

J-LO???

R114 you’re seriously racist.

Alicia’s Keys is a peer but the other two were FAR from pop stars on TRL like Beyoncé.

Did that racist asshole just compare 1999 Destinys Child (that was all pop and semi-Hip Hop music) to India Arie and Vivian Green? Why? Because they’re black? None of them are alike. Stupid fucking ass.

Michelle Branch? Vanessa Carlton?

Willa Ford? Hilary Duff?

Cher? Xtina?

Here’s a photo of Beyoncé (Destinys Child) with their peers. These were the biggest stars of that time in music (Backstreet Boys didn’t come to the shoot but were wanted).

Beyoncé was around years before any of the artists r117 mentioned.

Minus Cher and Christina, of course. Cher came in the 60s and Xtina the same time as Destinys Child.

Who is the Black Woman sitting behind Britney?

She’s a peer?

“Beyoncé revealed her inspirations when she held a special screening of her “visual album” at the School of Visual Arts in New York City on Saturday.

The “XO” singer addressed the crowd, saying, “I felt like I wanted to follow in the footsteps of Madonna and be a powerhouse and have my own empire.”

R118 lol at Carson's face.

Lenny Kravitz had a lot of hits with teenage America in the late 90s, so he was placed with them because he was a TRL fixture in the beginning with the young stars. Same as Diddy

Jessica Simpson? Jewel?

Melanie B? Emma Bunton?

Missy Elliott? Lauryn Hill?

Destiny Chile

Is Solange a peer?

Sporty Spice?

No, Solange has only recently been getting more attention with her music.

I have Solange music from the Early 2000s.

Oh fuck some people on here are trying to make Gaga a thing. Gaga couldn't even make her movie an event like the Bodyguard or Evita. Gaga had to have Cooper and a movie soundtrack to get a hit album because the ugly bitch can't do it on her own. The general public has been over Gaga for 8 years, even with that movie. Yet people are ho-hum about her still. She will never be in Beyonce's league. Beyonce can tour with the best like Madonna and pull in those types of numbers. Beyonce does anything and it is instantly everywhere, everyone is talking about her. Gaga? Nope. Miss Try Hard is always begging for attention, walking out of hotels (after calling the paps) in ridiculous outfits. What nutjob does that? Gaga, that's who. Gaga is mentally deranged. Beyonce is not. Beyonce gets attention naturally while Gaga has to payola it and beg for it.

And Gaga is old now. She's over 30. No one cares about her ugly, botoxed, filler filled Joker face.

Gaga has to beard for closet queens Bradley Cooper and Jeremy Renner.

r126

Beyoncé's last three albums did not flop. Self-titled and Lemonade were huge. There's still resentment that Lemonade lost to Adele's 25 for Album of the Year at the Grammy Awards, something even Adele would agree with.

R131, no big deal if you aren't into Gaga. But the ASIB has sold nearly 5 million albums WW. Most likely end up with 6 or 7 million. That's huge these days. Shallow has sold nearly 11 million WW. She was nominated for every damn acting award. Shallow is the most awarded song in history (surpassing Bey's Formation). ASIB was a mega hit. Not quite sure why you're slagging her.

r134 Who cares. Taylor fucking Swift wins every award known to man. Does that make her great? Gaga fucking sucks. And that album is not a Gaga album. It is a soundtrack and Cooper was a huge part of it. The song was ALL Mark Ronson. As for the movie, it wasn't even an event. Michael fucking Myers overshadowed it. It didn't even hit #1 at the box office here. Beyonce can act and sing better than Gaga. Beyonce has 20 times the awards Gaga could ever hope. Gaga is not popular. Her stans keep bringing her name into conversations like she belongs but she doesn't.

Meanwhile, Beyonce is just voicing a part in Lion King and the media attention is deafening. That's a true star not some try hard wanna be C-list pop girl like gaga.

R135, really?

Beyoncé is a better actor than Gaga? No.

Gaga isn’t popular? No.

Gaga is C- list? No.

Just go to bed. That post is ridiculous.

Beyonce, Taylor, Katy, Cardi, Camillo, Billie, Nikki, Ariana and a dozen other pop girls far outshine Gagy. Gags isn't even near the top of her own peer group. Who will she latch onto next time to? Back with Ronson to beg for hits? Tony again? Janet has more star power than Gags.

r136 Don't come for Beyonce. You wanna talk awards, sales, touring and acting, LG is nowhere near as popular as B. Check back when LG can do something on her own. Is she off drugs finally? Why is she shooting her face full of botox and fillers? Beyonce don't have to do that.

Get that stank that is Gaga off Beyonce. Beyonce doesn't need a team to payola great PR.

You wanna look at awards and sales, LGaga is going to have a hard time in this world. She is just not thought of as cool. She really is the epitome of try hard. She does everything with awards in mind. That is all she wants. I think she has Borderline Personality Disorder for sure.

Good couldn’t haopen to a bigger phony! fugga is next! Bitches need to be irrelevant!

[Quote] Why is she shooting her face full of botox and fillers? Beyonce don't have to do that.

Are you sure about that??

Beyoncé definitely is starting with collagen and fillers. Look at her mother to see what she'll look like in 15 years.

R136, you’re fucking insane. I never came for Beyoncé. I said she’s not as good an actress as Gaga. That’s not coming for someone, you fucking lunatic.

Why do you idiots have to trash Gaga to elevate Beyoncé, or vice versa? It makes no sense.

She is over but it will be just 8 years or so untill her camel faced daughter is shoved down our throats.

There were more writers on this album then the people that bought it. Only 949 people bought it in the UK LOL

[Quote] to elevate Beyoncé

Come again??

[quote]Beyonce can act and sing better than Gaga. Beyonce has 20 times the awards Gaga could ever hope. Gaga is not popular. Her stans keep bringing her name into conversations like she belongs but she doesn't.

We are witnessing the birth of Beybot...

R146 she’s just standing in the clip. Solange is the one beating Jay. Probably cause he cheated.

Beyonce face was so loaded she couldn't smile, and her lips are deformed, maybe temporary but the upper one is messed up. I said upthread they couldn't photoshop fast enough, we all saw it. That gold dress looked like a bolt of toweling that ran out too soon. I would never say this, but Jay comparatively looked alright.

[quote]We are witnessing the birth of Beybot...

This is so exciting!

We must facilitate his growth!

It's doubtful Beyoncé will be getting Number One Albums and Number One Dance Hits at age 60 like the real Queen, Madame X!

[quote]Stevie Nicks has spoken out against pop stars in the past, but she has nothing but love for Beyonce.

[quote]“Beyonce’s great,” the 65-year-old Fleetwood Mac singer told The Telegraph. “She’s got her alter ego [her stage persona, Sasha Fierce], but Beyonce the girl, the woman, is very sweet and nice and polite. She’s a good role model. She’s not skanky. I’m glad we have her.”

SHE'S NOT SKANKY!

[quote]It's doubtful Beyoncé will be getting Number One Albums and Number One Dance Hits at age 60 like the real Queen, Madame X!

R150, Baybot’s straw man of choice is Gaga, not Madonna.

And Madonna’s COADF was released when Madonna was 46 yo and it has sold over 10 mil copies ww

Welcome to the DL, our newly minted BeyBot! Please tell us again how much more talented Bey is than Gaga. I need the drug of standom!

Stevie likes both Beyoncé and Gaga.

Don't we have a Gagastan here, too? Gagbot?

Usually the BeyBot uses phrases like 'y'all' and 'old white men' or 'gramps' more often.

Don't like Bey or Gaga. Both overrated asf. Gaga isn't in the convo as she is not relevant as far as the biggest hit makers. She got lucky with the movie. Her solo stuff flops.

Bey is overrated but she has the touring and sales. She has a gazillion awards. She gets nominated for everything she does. She'll get a song Oscar for adding a word like Gaga.

Bey stans are very predictable in who they direct vitriol against, now it's mainly Gaga because she's coming off of a great year with ASIB. If Madge was selling lights out both album and touring, Bey stans would be after her too. It's whoever poses the greatest perceived threat to Bey as popular female entertainer/ singer, that's pretty much it. Not a fan of either Gaga or Bey.

Hahahahaha Bey stans would not go after Gaga. She was brought up by a Gaga stan which is why she was blasted. No, Ariana, Cardi, Camilla, Katy, Billie are the ones Bey stans go after. And they still go after Madonna since Madame X hit #1 so Bey has to release more to catch her plus they want to catch Madonna in touring since album sales is out of reach.

Bey stans go after, in order- Madonna, Ariana, Taylor, Cardi then it is a mix of Billie, Katy, Camilla.

Smell r159, laying out the Rules!

In the scheme of things, Gaga is not in the equation when you think of popular artists. She doesn't resonate with the general public even with a hit movie.

Bey is showing signs of public fatigue. Though she crushes Gaga in any category, Bey is waning right now though the media attention she gets and the fawning she receives is crazy.

My understanding is that she’s illiterate.

[quote]No Beyonce fan wants to hear her singing with Jay Z or singing Lion King songs

Next up will be songs featuring that hideous Blue Ivory demon child.

gurl mess

No one is more successful except Madonna and QB is coming for her crown.

[quote]QB is coming for her crown.

I've hated Blue Ivy since that episode of RPDR.

I can't see 166 or 167 must be a Bey hater........

Can't stand Madge but her heyday of fame was on such scale that couldn't be duplicated today. Today there are more interests beside MTV that influenced pop culture. Madge was famous all over the world and reached more demographics than Bey could ever imagine.

r169 Bullshit! Bey is on Madonna's level but it just sucks albums don't sell. But don't lie like Bey ain't up there with Madonna.

[quote]But don't lie like Bey ain't up there with Madonna.

Can't see 171

[quote]Can't see 171

I don't know if Beyonce will ever be on Madonna's level fame or success wise, but everyone drools over her. Everything she does gets tons of awards and incessant praise. It seems like everyone loves her. I hardly ever read a critical word about her.

The "Tidal" service that Jay Z owns/owned gave her huge, overinflated sales. I also think she and Jay Z buy up lots of CDs in order to increase her sales.

The fanbase for her music is just not there. It's all imaginary. Her Netflix show only was watched one million times. That's not a lot. The Sandra Bullock and Jenny Anniston Netflix movies all got like 100 million views on the first weekend of their film debuts.

Beyoncé is truly the King with no Clothes. A shame that big brands like Addidas are spending big buck in order to get dollars from her non-existent/imaginary fan base.

r175 I don't buy that. She is very popular. Look at her tours. I think she is vastly overrated, though. She's more talented that the very overrated Gaga but Beyonce is at least popular and whatever she does makes news. She has to be the most awarded female artist ever at this point. She'll get an Oscar for song if not for Lion King then soon after. She would have won the acting Oscar for ASIB if she did the movie whether she deserved it or not. She wins everything.

She won't catch Madonna in touring esp if Madonna does a Greatest Hits tour.

Beybot needs to have a little of Beyoncé's ALLEGED hundreds of awards, like Vadgestan/Madonna Loon has list after list of Madame X's accomplishments.

All those tour numbers and how much each album sold, plus every award and recognition.

I'm sure Madge has more honors from GAY associations that QB, right?

[quote][R169] Bullshit! Bey is on Madonna's level but it just sucks albums don't sell. But don't lie like Bey ain't up there with Madonna.

Some people really don't seem to understand how huge Madonna was. Beyonce is nowhere close, and most probably will never be. The reason being that her material isn't very strong. Say what you will about Madonna but she's got a huge number of catchy pop songs that even people who doesn't like her know. With Beyonce I can think of two: Crazy in Love and the super annoying Single Ladies.

The country of Norway sued Tidal for falsely inflating the streaming numbers for Beyonce and Kanye West. Neither one of them can give their albums away today, so Jay Z lied about how many streams they got to make it look like their albums were a lot more successful than they really were.

No one will ever be Madonna level of fame.

The closest we’ve had to it was Britney from 99-04 and Gaga from 09-11 or ‘12

R179 WHO CARES. You bring that up over and over. That’s just one album.

r178 I think they mean Beyonce is more successful than any of the other females except Madonna but that she is going to be on her level. Taylor might be close to Beyonce because Taylor also wins all the awards.

^^ Beybot at R181 needs to be less huffy and get to work on rattling off those QB statistics!

Huffy, huffy!

R179 - that's what I was talking about when I said Beyoncé and Jay Z inflated the sales of her albums.

Her Lion King album sold like 500 copies in UK, which has a huge black African population.

People don't REALLY like Beyoncé. That's the hard truth.

R184 it’s not about liking BEYONCÉ. Many like BEYONCÉ. It’s about not liking this album or caring enough to buy it.

This album has a very specific sound. You’re comparing this to shit like Single Ladies and Crazy in Love. This is niche music, not mainstream pop.

And who cares what the black population in the U.K. is? You think only they like Beyoncé? Grow up.

Albums don't sell. It is all about streaming. Only a few artists still can sell even 100k any more. You all know this. Quit trying to act like she isn't popular. The only people who can compete with her touring wise are Madonna and Taylor. Don't hate appreciate QB and all her glory.

"Piss-ade" was garbage for many reasons, not the least of which was Wig-once's screaming and bleating.

The Bey Bot doesn’t want truth; he blocks people who don’t like Beyoncé because he can’t stand to see an opinion that isn’t his.

I'll never understand why the media constantly suck her dick. Yeah, she has some good songs.

As a performer, I don't think she comes close to Britney in her prime.

Beyoncé sucks. Kelly Rowland had the most promising solo career out of all of them, as the collab single she had with Nelly was absolutely HUGE and Beyoncé was incredibly jealous of her success.

Matthew and Beyoncé worked to sabotage Kelly's career. They tricked naïve and trusting Kelly into having a teenage Solange write/produce/creatively lead the disastrous "Miss Kelly" album. Kelly even once said in an interview that she had Beyoncé "approve" all her songs, because she "trusted her."

However, 15 years ago, Kelly met "The Freemasons," an amazing UK remixing/production group who did her song "Work." Beyoncé released her poorly-received "B'Day" album (which everyone called 'bidet,' like what you use to rinse your filthy asshole after you shat) and all her songs were tanking. She employed the Freemasons who remixed like four of her songs so was able to save her career.

She has a better catalogue than Gaga. That’s the truth.

And she busted her ass to get to the top.

I love her song Sweet Dreams

Rhianna exudes more natural star quality, possesses better style, and has the stronger catalog.

R85 you missed the point; he didn’t say Black population, he said African population as in from Africa. The LK album is African-influenced, and one could assume there would be more interest in it but nope 👎🏻

R190 B-Day sold and she had a bunch of hit singles from it.

Beyonce is more of a media celebrity than someone who's wildly popular with a huge segment of the public.

And you can't compare anyone to Madonna at her peak. Nobody will ever be that famous or culturally relevant again.

R193 because she’s American. Africans aren’t looking for an American to imitate their stuff.

R187, Wigoncé looks better and we get the inference still.

R193 thinks only Africans bought the 1994 soundtrack!

The Lion King underperformed, no matter how you want to spin it.

Beyonce has never been a huge star internationally. In non-English speaking countries she's not well-known at all.

The Lion King 2019 is reductive.

R198 again. That’s a LIE.

No it's not a lie r200. You must not get out much. As much as you love Beyonce, she isn't that big of a deal on a global level. And her fame in the US has always been more hype and media manipulation than actual fans.

A question for QB:

And what, r197? Bitch absolutely wears wigs, so it's not like I made up a nasty rumor about her.

Her singles have charted ALL OVER THE WORLD since Crazy in Love went to number one in NUMEROUS countries and was top 20 in EVERY COUNTRY but France.

Her song Beautiful Liar went to number one in every major country but 2. She’s had HITS all over. She’s sold old on tours all over.

You guys make up lies to fit your own RACIST narrative all the time. The lies need to stop. The facts are all over the internet.

R203 she has worn her real hair also. It’s curly. Her natural hair is long. She actually has nice hair racist old fruit

Beybot at R204, it doesn't matter if the stats are all over the net.

As BEYBOT, it's your job to rattle off those statistics without hesitation. You need to commit every album and single's performance on the charts as well as all tours, solo and with those other girls.

And make sure you can compare them with Madonna, of course.

You Beyonce haters need to listen- I know she is not YET bigger than Madonna. LISTEN!

But you all know she gets her ass kissed royally and it burns you. Everything she records gets great reviews and awards. She is nominated for 6 Emmys!

If John fucking Legend can get an EGOT you know Beyonce will before she is 40. Watch. Awards are pretty useless now.

Beyoncé did steal a lot from Mariah, didn't she?

Oh goodie, start a Beyonce thread and the racists/bigots come out from under their rocks like the trolls that they are.

yeah r192, but the bitch can't sing.

Rihanna has a huge catalogue of humongous hits that she put out over a period of ten years. She and Madonna are the only ones with that many catchy songs that people actually like.

Beyoncé has one novelty song (Single Ladies) and nothing else. You can quote ten-year old obscure Beyoncé singles that no one remembers, but they weren't hits and absolutely no one would sing them at karaoke or put them on a playlist for a house party unless they're a 47-year old black dork who still lives at home or at a depilated studio apartment that they pay for with their salary from their big box store manager job.

You are better than Beyoncé. She's lame as hell. Don't stan that stupid bitch.

There goes r212 making up lies some more.

Single Ladies is apparently her only hit now.

Hey, go fuck yourself, racist at r205. Your "queen" is an illiterate cunt just like you.

r211 Rihanna has a perfectly decent singing voice. No, she is no Aretha but I don't want her to be. Her voice is pleasant enough and not everyone has to be able to scream and bellyache to be considered a great singer. Fucking sick of that singing style. Give me a Rihanna any day.

Man, Rihanna was going to easily break the record for most #1's but she started releasing less radio friendly songs. Madonna could have easily had the most #1's but bitch sold her singles for the price of a fucking album. Didn't I read Madonna has been cock-bloked from #1 (meaning she has a lot of songs that peaked at #2) than anyone?

I think Cleopatra were more peers to Beyoncé.

No way has QB ever come close to Britney in any terms whatsoever.

I’m not a racist r214 and not my queen. I’m not even a fan of hers but sick of the LIES about her too. Making up shit about her because you can’t stomach a black woman being rich and successful is dumb as fuck because the facts are on the internet.

You can easily see she’s toured to sold out shows all over Europe and Asia etc. through her career.

Meanwhile, Beyonce be like "Thanks for all the Emmys for my Live Album and concert. Thanks for all the Grammys. What am I at now, 30? 40? Keep hating and I'll keep my eye on Madonna's crown, biches.

Why does not liking Beyoncé = racist?

Not liking Beyoncé is fine but that’s not what’s going on here. People are acting aggressive and even making up lies about her to make her look bad or not famous.

People who don’t like Madonna don’t do that. But if it’s Beyoncé or Janet or a black artist they go insane with the lies etc.

The Cheetah Girls VS Destiny's Child VS Cleopatra.... Who WINS???????

Not everything is about race r220. Beyonce is just not as famous or popular as some posters are making her out to be. She's always been more hype than actual numbers.

Ashley Ballard is a peer of Beyoncé.

Billie Piper is, too.

Robyn

Jennifer Paige

The cameras love her.

Beyoncé IS very famous.

No one can take a flight of stairs more gracefully than she does.

Neither Beyonce nor Gaga have had a true hit in ages without help from someone. Beyonce, though, is still very relevant in music (sadly) due to touring and media adoration. She garners headlines and awards for everything, like has been mentioned. Of the younger set, only Taylor truly comes close. Taylor still has hits, though.

Like it or not, Beyonce gets love like few others.

Yikes R226 That was before she starting lip syncing to autotuned tracks, right? She sucks!

started, not starting

Beyoncé fans are literally the worst. Why can't you just like her? Why does everyone have to worship her? Yuck.

r219, not liking Beyonce is not racist. Calling her names and making fun of her AA appearance is pretty racist though and if you don't understand that, then you don't understand much.

They’ve been going on and on about her complexion, her hair, her lips, her nose, constantly bringing up her “race”, etc. but they think the issue is that they don’t like her?

No, it’s WHY you don’t like her and you’re making it obvious.

I like Beyoncé but I think she's a narcissist. Kelly Rowland is far more talented, has a much more enjoyable vocal tone, and is more beautiful.

Beyonce peaked some time ago. She's almost 40 and it's all downhill from now on.

R233 Rowland can’t sing live.

Nobody thinks of Beyonce as a black woman anymore. She hasnt been one in years.

Beyoncé is and will always be black. See r236 you just can’t help it I guess.

Why does everyone always mention age when they attempt to attack a female singer? Sadly, they are all using botox and fillers as young as their teens. Your faves will age, too.

Beyonce gets a shit load of awards. Why? If she sucks.

It isn't anyone on here who is worshipping her it is the media and other celebs. Look how Adele practically gave away her Album of the Year award to Beyonce. Why does every do that for her and why does she get so many awards? Awards, in general, mean nothing now. They are so watered down.

Christina got the voice but the wrong attitude

She's fabulous!!!!

r239 HORRIBLE. Aretha had a voice and knew how to use it not over sing like a fucking nutjob. American Idol and the Voice have ruined us as far as singing goes. Christina oversings the fuck out of a song. Who can enjoy that? Like Jennifer hudson- yeah technically she has a great voice but I HATE her voice.

As soon as someone starts oversing, I stop listening. Singing loud and running the octaves does not make you a great singer nor does it connect with the lyrics. It is the equivalent of an actor chewing the scenery.

[quote]Why does everyone always mention age when they attempt to attack a female singer? Sadly, they are all using botox and fillers as young as their teens. Your faves will age, too.

Because they're past their sell-by date as far as peak popularity goes, and it annoys their fans.

r242 How does it annoy their fans and how old are you if that is your end game? They are all getting older. They all get old. You probably stan someone old ( and by old in todays standards the kids say 29 and up). I guess if it gets you off but all it does is make you look stupid. Once you reach a certain level, you have no sell by date.

We have a Beyonce stan now? Good lord. Are there any gay men left on this site?

[quote]As soon as someone starts oversing, I stop listening. Singing loud and running the octaves does not make you a great singer nor does it connect with the lyrics. It is the equivalent of an actor chewing the scenery.

Thank you. Now maybe you can tell this to the hordes of Barbra Streisand fans on DL?

Those sales numbers are hugely embarrassing. I have a multi Grammy winning friend in classical who sells more albums than Beyoncé does. Lolol.

Ariana Grande, who has #1 after #1, only sold 116,000 albums her first week. Madonna sold 95,000. Albums are not selling. One of the albums in the top 5 only sold around 500 copies yet its streaming numbers were super high. That is the world, now.

Streisand doesn't oversing like the others and she has a rare talent to actually connect with the lyrics. It's sadly very rare for the overrated big voiced cunts.

And Madonna is in 4th fucking decades of her career. She’s rightfully untouchable.

Fine, I concede that point on Madonna. But QB is going to overtake her. Make your bets now.

Shit, I don't have a dog in this fight, but Madonna did show it was possible to have a vital career well into your 50's. Had she not left Warners, her momentum after Confessions might have continued on longer. She still had 4M and the biggest tour in 2008-09 so I guess Beyonce could follow in those footsteps. She doesn't yet have the back catalog yet.

R247, Those numbers are just pure sales and doesn't count streams. As we all know, the music biz is all about streaming today. Steaming is all that matters now.

Taylor Swift and Adele are pretty much the only female artists who can sell a million copies of an album domestically anymore.

I don’t see Beyoncé doing that again as long as she remains tied to Tidal.

[Quote] Steaming is all that matters now.

I'm so glad someone else understands me.

The Gaga hate is always so weird. ASIB has sold about 5 million SPS. It's one of the biggest albums of recent years. She writes, sings well, is a great performer. I really like Bey too. I agree Adele and Taylor are tier one. But in terms of sales, Bey, Gaga, Ariana and RiRi are tier two - and they've all been tier one at different times in the careers. Tier three is Katy (she's big on youtube and singles, but her albums generally underperform), Pink, and a bunch of newbies I don't know all that well.

And, while I am not a Madonna fan, she's the biggest female pop star ever. And it's not really close.

ARiana doesn’t belong in tier two.

I think in the last year, she's elevated to tier 2, R255.

r254 How is it weird? The album sold well due to the movie but the movie was overshadowed by two different movies back to back. It wasn't an event. Gaga's voice is grating and I don't like the tone. She doesn't write and when she does, it fucking sucks. The lyrics to Poker Face are cringe as are most of her songs. She isn't tier two and hasn't been tier one since 2011, 8 fucking years ago. She gets lucky when she pairs up with others but on her own, she is boring even with the costumes. No star quality. She is all try hard.

Bey's star quality is natural. I don't know where her career goes from here but she is huge and stayed huge for decades. Her touring is only eclipsed by Madonna. And stop mentioning Madonna. We get it. But Bey will get her crown.

Ari, Adele, Pink and several other tier ones are nonstop hits and have great touring. Pink can't seem to break through the very top though. Her songs sound the same. Taylor is huge on every level. She wants Madonna's crown but she is already stumbling a bit but she will still have the albums, singles and touring for awhile.

What is Gags up to now?

Debut at #3 with less than 51k album equivalent. The worst of her career. #FLOP

Is that pure album sales? Honey Bee doing just fine. She is about to rack up the Emmys and other awards. You all know she'll clean up every fucking award out there.

R260 No, only 12k in pure sales

r254, Taylor will never be tier one because she can't sing worth a shit.

r261 WHHAAAAT?????? No way. Madonna, 25 years older than her, sold 9 times that. And Madonna has the 4th best opening week by a female this year and we are already in July. Beyonce better work if she wants that crown.

But they should all bow down to Cher, who at age 70+, sold about 150k of her latest album just last year. I believe thats the biggest for a female for the whole of last year. I can't imagine any of these divas achieving that at 70.

R264 she did an abba cover album. Cher has zero artistic and creative value. She gets lucky once in every twenty years but has never been a big seller

r265 Exactly, it wasn't original material. No way her original material would sell anything close to that.

i think its a remarkable achievement for Cher, original material or not. And doing it at past retirement age. Not sure any of this younger biatches can able do that.

I think Madonna blazed a trail for nothing. No one under the age of 40 now (except Beyonce) will make a music career past the next 15 years.

Madonna released COADF when she was 46 and it has sold over 11 mil copies ww. Beyoncé is only 39?? And struggling to sell 50k

At 38-42 Madonna had many top ten hits still, Beyonce hasn’t had any in nearly a decade! The duet with ed sheeran does not count!

Beyoncé moved to a model where the emphasis is on albums, not singles. It worked for self-titled and Lemonade but not for this album.

She's featured in the remake of one of the most popular and iconic animated films of all time and she couldn't come up with a song that's memorable or iconic itself. All those Elton John/Tim Rice songs are just too popular and ingrained in people's minds. Beyoncé needed to come up with songs that would resonate with this generation; she couldn't.

r271 She'll still get an Oscar nom which in the song category is a joke. She could even win.

She has moved on from a singles to an album artist. When she comes back with a brand new Beyonce album, you will see.

Madonna is not a fair comparison because she has done and does things no other person will ever do again. Once in a lifetime. That isn't fair to compare.

Beyonce will be the only survivor out of her class of stars to make it to her 50's still being successful. FACT!

Oh please r272. When Beyonce is proven to be a tuneless fraud, you move the goalposts and claim future victory? That's the best you can do?

[quote]She has moved on from a singles to an album artist.

Nobody buys albums. Seems like a dumb strategy to become an "album artist". But then, Beyonce's dumb.

Nobody buys music period. They "stream" it which counts as sales. Can you imagine? Some of you eldergays wore out your cassette single of Physical which would have kept ONJ at #1 for a whole year if your cassette plays counted.

r275 you're trying too hard. But, okay. What are her streaming numbers?

And Madonna has a top 10 AC chart hit with Crave. Her biggest AC hit in over 21 years. She even went Adult Top 40 with Crave.

Can Beyonce do this when she is Madonna's age? Probably.

R275, We didn't have cassette singles back then. Some of us were still on 8-tracks.

People still buy albums. That's a ridiculous statement to say people don't buy music anymore.

Vinyl has made a huge renaissance. Look at people bombarding record stores on Record Store Day. Even cassettes are making a mini-comeback. And yes, some people still buy CDs.

Some people prefer physical media over streaming.

r279 I don't see how anyone is ok without something physical. I can always upload what I want but there is something about having a tangible object that is appealing. And I'm a Millennial.

Has Beyoncé ever been a friends to gays like Madame X and Gaga?

Or does she hate gays with a Houstonian Southern Baptist religious fervor?

Has Beyonce ever sounded this soulful?

This is Madonna rehearsing Borderline. It wasn't the final vocal due to her messing up the lyrics at the end and telling the control room she couldn't hear them.

A lot of kids today balk at the idea of actually have to PAY for their music.

R282 thank you

wow 😮 @ Madonna. 👏👏👏👏

Counting Beyoncé’s streams is meaningless. She’s lied about them for years. Her husband lies for her. Is seriously doubt she ever breaks a few hundred thousand, if that. Certainly not the multi multi million her husband claims. She hasn’t really been popularly relevant since Single Ladies. The media has propped her up, definitely, but the general public dropped her a long time ago. Beychella? Whatever.

R285 Good post, totally agree, all the lies about the streams, never bought them. And that Conchella stint was a nasty ego filled mess

I actually think she was really pretty at one time, but now she looks like a Madame Tussauds wax figure. Also, she's very boring and one-dimensional. You've seen one Beyonce performance, you've seen them all. You've heard one Beyonce song, you've heard them all. She's married to billionaire, so there's that I guess.

The media hype for her turns me off. I think her self-titled album and Lemonade are very strong albums (as was 4) but the media constantly licking her ass as if she's some God is nauseating.

I think it's starting to turn off people.

[Quote] Has Beyoncé ever been a friends to gays like Madame X and Gaga?

Not as much as those 2.

Ummm Madonna is a part of Tidal as well. Why doesn't she cheat? Huh? HUUUUUUUUUUUUH? Yeah, I thought so.

R290 thinks it is making a point