Valerie Harper needs your help.

Didn't we hear this before?

I am pretty sure she died ten years ago.

Fuck! been sending it to Sandy Duncan the whole time.

The healthcare system in the US is the worst.

R3, shit I was sending it to Joey Heatherton.

What happened to her tiger blood she was always carrying on about? Sure, it's sad that she's HIV+ but all those years of drugs and hookers were always going to catch up with her. You can't fuck a memory!

Well at least she finally lost some weight.

She doesn't have insurance? She's in the union!

I'm going to out live you!!!!

Medicare doesn’t cover home health care or nursing home care.

Can't Julie Kavner shell out?

I'm not sure how I feel or should feel about these 'Go Fund Me' campaigns. And I don't quite understand the finances of famous persons, so I don't know whether Valerie Harper has or should have enough money to weather this storm, so to speak.

Having said all that...there is a $100 donation listed from Lucie Arnaz. One Hundred Dolllars? From Lucie Arnaz? I mean, why bother? I could donate more than that without blinking.

And what really bugs my ass? I live in Provincetown and the tickets for Lucie Arnaz's show up here are $90. So maybe I'll skip the Lucie Arnaz show and donate the $90 fucking dollars to Valerie Harper on top of whatever else I can afford to donate.

I mean, really. Why did Arnaz bother? And why the fuck didn't she donate her measly $100 anonymously?

And why does this bother me so much?

So often, health care costs exceed what a person's insurance or savings can handle. So Sad.

I’m sure Lucie is not loaded.

Really, r14? Didn't she inherit a boatload?

Well damn.

I'm not sending that bitch another dime!

Shoot, I was sending it to the Harper Valley PTA.

Maybe Susan Dey can donate something.

GoFundMe's are kinda sad to me.

An old friend died a few weeks back and the family was trying to get her back to cremate her (they're on east coast and she was in TX) and they only raised a few dollars, way short of goal. It must make people feel even more awful than they would have anyway if people won't help you.

With all her money she didn’t have nursing home/ long term care insurance? You get it while you’re relatively young, I mean in your 50’s and it’s cheap. Less than health Insureance.

Maybe it was another Lucie Arnaz?

The Lucie Arnaz show? in Provincetown?

Surely you jest.

Or...oh, I see. Some drag queen is DOING Lucie Arnaz.

Now it makes sense.

R21, it's been common knowledge for a while now that LTC insurance companies have been going bankrupt. They've been paying out too much to stay profitable these days.

R21, it's been common knowledge for a while now that LTC insurance companies have been going bankrupt. They've been paying out too much to stay profitable these days.

If Val has no money she can sign up for Mediciad/Medicare. Then all her health care will be covered 100%.

Elderly who have assets have to spend down their money to pay for their health care. They get to keep their homes and cars and some other things. Then they qualify for Medi-Medi and no longer have to pay anything for care.

I smell something fishy with Val needing money for her healthcare. The only reason for this is that she does not want to use her assets to pay for her health care.

R26 And this includes nursing home care. Medi Medi will cover Val's nursing home fees if she qualifies for that level of care.

Oh, please! She and Larry Kramer will bury every one of us, until they're the last two people left on earth.

Poor gal, I hope Wendy Schaal helps her out

Rosie O'Donnell good help her.

Valerie was wonderful in Li'l Abner. Be there for her now. Send money!

R14, who do you think inherited I LOVE LUCY?

At least she no longer has to lose 10 pounds by 8:30.

At this point I'm suspecting she's been pulling a fast one. When was the last time she worked? I imagine she's in need of money...

Lucie isn't rich. A few years ago she sold off a bunch of her memorabilia on eBay. I was this close to buying her Jazz Singer production jacket.

It went for less than $100, by the way.

The lengthy essay about how much Lucie Arnaz sucks reminds me of the meltdown someone had over whether Susan Dey would release a statement about David Cassidy or not.

If only Ida were still alive.

Pity.

This is sad. I wish her well. She was always one of my favorites.

We had a huge thread about how little Lucie and Desi Jr apparently got from the estate:

If she's been fighting cancer all these years then yeah, she's probably broke. Harper clearly had excellent care.

But she'd qualify for Medicaid by now, surely? And have something from the union?

R37, Lucy died 30 years ago.

R38 Dawn Wells' friend had gofundme set up for her so she could get into that nursing home/assisted living place that is associated with SAG. IIRC, the friend said that Dawn need some kind of co-payment/down payment to get into the facility. I'm not surprised that Valerie Harper is having financial issues and unions can only do so much in certain situations.

Gary Morton talked her out of leaving anything for her kids.

Here's Valerie and Beth Howland in Li'l Abner.

Lucy owned RKO studios and the I LOVE LUCY shows and her children control all that PLUS her likeness and memorabilia and own the shows and the syndication rights and Lucie Arnaz is worth hundreds of millions of dollars from Star Trek alone. Her husband, Todd Lookinland has gambled a lot of her fortune away. Raja Gemini plays Lucie Arnaz in Provincetown. His big number is Nobody Does it Like Me.

Good for her to donate 100 bucks to Valene.

She's going to be 80 next month. Many people don't even make it to 80. She should consider herself lucky. Sometimes it's best to just let nature take it's course.

Todd Lookinland?

Larry Luckinbill

Is it too late for a "Rhoda" reboot?

I think R40 is correct, plus I'm sure given that Valerie hasn't worked much these last few years, even if she had a few million in the bank at one point in her life, with high medical bills I'm sure all of that has likely been drained away. I also doubt she gets much if anything in the form of residuals from MTM and Rhoda since neither show is seen in reruns today anywhere near as much as they used to be years ago.

[quote]Can't Julie Kavner shell out?

She didn't get along with Valerie. I doubt she'll donate anything despite being worth millions from The Simpsons.

On a related sidenote, I have noticed a lot of TV stars from past eras have ended up with major financial issues. Melissa Gilbert feuded with Valerie during the SAG elections years ago and she was having major financial issues a few years ago. I bet at this point after hearing about Valerie's struggles, Melissa is probably worrying about her old age years.

Melissa Gilbert can sell her shitbra on eBay and pocket a small fortune.

R47 I'm thinking the medical bills probably ate up a big chunk of the fortune she made. Actors have talked about decreases in income when TV show residuals reduce or when TV shows are taken out of syndication. Malcolm-Jamal Warner said he saw decrease in residuals after The Cosby Show was pulled from a couple of basic cable channels.

Christopher Reeve had financial issues after his accident. Robin Williams helped him out with medical bills. Selma Blair has stated in interviews that she worries about money due to her MS. A major accident or illness could fuck up the finances of upper middle class or wealthy people.

R49, Isn't Sara Gilbert loaded?

Didn't some stars of 70s shows get lousy syndication residual deals? I remember the cast of Happy Days had legal battles regarding residuals that lasted years. IIRC, the cast of The Waltons never received residuals.

R52 Yes, but when she got fired from "Valerie's Family," she received $1.4 million and a percentage of the shows profits. So she did well in the 80's.

Speaking of Guy Lombardo.

[quote]i smell something fishy with Val needing money for her healthcare. The only reason for this is that she does not want to use her assets to pay for her health care.

Why does she need round the clock care from outsiders when she has a HUSBAND at home? He can do it.

Is this even a legit gofundme or is someone just using Harper's picture and story? Has anyone close to her authenticated it? Who is Deanna B? She admits there are "questions" but then fails to answer anything. It looks like they pulled generic google images of Harper to promote it. It all looks shady to me.

[quote]Lucy died 30 years ago.

I know, and I'm not sure why you told me that.

R43, Lucille Ball sold DesiLu to Paramount back in the 1960s, so no, Lucie and Desi Jr don't get residuals from anything.

Harper didn't get residuals from MTM or Rhoda, no one did back then. Syndication wasn't seen as the gold mine that it was, and once production companies realized how lucrative it was, they were loath to share with actors and held out as long as they could.

R57, Because any inheritance would have been spent by now.

One thing is incorrect, almost all these cast members DID RECEIVE residuals. Even shows like Petticoat Junction and Gilligan's Island received residuals. They just did not get them for very long. In most cases they only received money for the first five run throughs or some other small amount.

When some actors say they don't get residuals what they mean is afterwards. Some shows, like Roseanne have a weird system of payment. The actor who played DJ said, he got residuals but they were added to his pay upfront. For example if he was supposed to get $20,000 / year plus a $5,000 in residuals for that year, he got paid out $25,000 right from the go.

So in cases like that you're getting paid but it's not obvious

I'm not sure how reliable the net worth information is when you Google someone famous. What I found was that Lucy left an estate of $40 million when she died. The current net worth of Desi Jr. is $40 million and Lucy Jr. is $20 million. When is looked up Variarie Harper's net worth it showed she was worth $12 million.

For what its worth, both of my parents died at home after extended illnesses. Since their home was paid for, all it cost was to increase care staff as they needed it. They had insurance for the prescription drugs. Mom died of pancreatic cancer and Dad died of COPD.

I've seen people like Dawn Wells say in interviews that the residuals for those few episodes were almost nothing. If I recall, when Nick At Nite began, the old TV show stars even said that their appearances at conventions and for interviews and specials after the renewed interest is where they got their money, not from reruns.

People like Dick Van Dyke, Carroll O'Connor and Andy Griffith got lucky with later shows that had a better residuals rate. Harper never got another show after the fiasco, did she?

There is a difference to ‘residuals’ today as opposed to what actors would get over 30 years ago. In those days they get paid for re-runs on maybe the first few times, but after this they would receive no more money. A lot of the time the actors assumed the TV work would be archived and forgotten after the first year or so.

Things started to change with the advent of video as actors started to notice shows they appeared in were being sold on video cassette. There were a lot of instances where actors could legally stop the release of videos because their original contracts did not feature the term ‘home entertainment’. This meant that original contracts could be renegotiated and they got something. Therefore, DVD and streaming residuals got covered under those renegotiated video contracts. As did licensing. However, some went under the radar. For example, the Happy Days cast only recently settled their claim.

Today, the lead actors get a ‘producer’ credit which means they own a piece of the show. So they will always get paid. Valerie would have seen Mary Tyler Moore had this with MTM but never thought she could ask for a producer credit herself.

Also, the other issue with a lot of these actors is they spent all their money on their lifestyles. Many live in huge homes with staff and travel and have second and even third homes. When the big money stops rolling in, a decade or two goes by and then they discover their outgoings are huge compared to their incomings and they get into financial trouble.

Some were smart. Apparently Kristy McNichol lived a modest life when she was on TV and used her earnings to buy condominiums. By the time she choose to leave Empty Nest she had a healthy monthly income coming in from her properties and 25 years later still does. This is why she was able to leave the entertainment industry and try other things.

R23

No, it's THE Lucie Arnaz. Not a drag queen.

Maybe someone famous with buckets of money will take care of Valerie Harper's medical bills.

The union should tax the super rich such as Adam Sandler and Jennifer Anniston. Furthermore, I don't believe Harper is penniless.

[quote]Medicare doesn’t cover home health care or nursing home care.

Medicare does cover home health care depending on the person's health status and income. It rarely covers round the clock care. A couple of years ago, my cousin's wife started a gofundme to raise money for a second caregiver for my great aunt. At that point, my great aunt was dying. She had been receiving day home care for years through medicare. This great aunt was also verbally abusive to most people in her life and most of her kids either cut off contact or had limited relationships with her. A couple of cousins said she could never keep long term caregivers because she would verbally abuse them and caregivers would tell the agency to remove them from her case. The gofundme set up by the cousin's wife didn't raise anything and she took down after a few weeks.

Some of you need to get over the idea that everyone who acted in the '70s became incredibly wealthy. It's not remotely true. Many of them who didn't leave the business and go into something more lucrative are struggling, and to answer somebody who asked, NO the celebrity net worth sites are not remotely accurate.

Both Joyce DeWitt and David Cassidy said they spent all their money, but both also admit, they did not work at all after their shows ended (Cassidy did tour for awhile though, so I assume he meant act).

It depends on your lifestyle, before Sean Astin made "Lord of The Rings," he said he was a working actor who made about $300,000/year.

Obviously that's not chump change but depending on your lifestyle 300K could be nothing.

Sheena Easton invested heavily in Las Vegas real estate in the 80s, which is why she has money. Same thing for Fred MacMurray who owned a lot of Hollywood prime real estate. Both made much more from their investments than their careers.

The first person to receive a TV residual was Audrey Meadows for "The Honeymooners." Her manager had it added to the contract. Producers assuming the series wouldn't last long, agreed to it, figuring they'd humor the manager.

Lucie told Howard Stern years ago that her mother left an estate worth $22 million.

Yes R63! I've never forgotten reading Parker Stevenon's application for spousal support from Kirstie Alley. The properties, the staff, the cars, the yachts, the planes, the horses - now she did pretty damn well for a few years, but still ...

I read that Lucie said, her mother dispersed the bulk of her estate to Gary, Desi Jr and her, while she was still alive.

[quote]I've seen people like Dawn Wells say in interviews that the residuals for those few episodes were almost nothing. If I recall, when Nick At Nite began, the old TV show stars even said that their appearances at conventions and for interviews and specials after the renewed interest is where they got their money, not from reruns.

I can't remember if it was Dawn or another Gilligan's Island cast member who said that Sherwood Schwartz screwed them over when it came to residuals.

I think we should collect a group gift and have it listed as ‘Your Friends at the DL’.

She has been the subject of many threads here and I think a donation is fitting.

And then if she doesn’t die we can all get together and start a class action suit against Go Fund Me. This could literally be the gift that keeps on giving.

I’ll contribute to that, but how do we do that?

R63, Yes that’s exactly why most of them end up with serious money problems eventually.

With the Kristy McNichol example, she was probably making $50k an episode from Empty Nest. Taking home maybe $22k an episode after taxes and agents fees. If she was living a reasonably simple life and investing her earnings in property, she’s now likely earning a real good amount every month without needing to work.

But most sit com actors of that era used their earnings to finance huge homes for themselves and started living the lives of the super rich. That hits hard after the money stops coming in.

Maybe, this year she'll make into the In Memoriam slideshow at the Emmys.

[quote] I'm not sure how I feel or should feel about these 'Go Fund Me' campaigns. And I don't quite understand the finances of famous persons, so I don't know whether Valerie Harper has or should have enough money to weather this storm, so to speak.

As long as she's been battling cancer he resources could be completely depleted. She was i ultra-rich. Please dig deep and give to Rhoda.

There are some actors in a recent years who have talked about living frugal lifestyles. Teri Hatcher said she wasn't into buying new cars every few years and that she saves up a lot of money. I can't remember which actress said that she coupons and that people think she is crazy for doing so. The actors who live modest lifestyles will be glad they lived modestly when health issues or old age hits.

No one wants to end up like Lainie Kazan.

I went to the Lucie Arnaz Show and it was DREADFUL. Believe it or not, she also included a segment in which she banged on drums allegedly as a homage to her Cuban heritage. W T F ? I certainly didn't expect nor want that. Tell us about your mean alcoholic mother and how you've been reduced to playing dinner theater. Untalented wench !!!

Lots of actors think the $$$ will keep rolling in, but then their show ends or their movie career slows down and the gravy train just stops. Like others have said, the smart ones live at a more upper middle-class level instead of a wealthy level so they don't go broke.

R71 I have no respect anymore for whiny Parker Stevenson and cash cow Kristie Alley.

[quote]r74 I think we should collect a group gift and have it listed as ‘Your Friends at the DL’.

Wait . . . this would be [italic]above and beyond [/italic]our regular $1.50 a month memberships??

Cloris Leachman invested her Lassie money in Clorox Bleach, named after her and made a killing.

r71 Thank you, that was a fantastic read.

Desi Arnaz had a massive gambling addiction as well as a massive problem with alcohol and pissed through a ton of his money. It's likely that there wasn't much left for Lucie and Desi Jr. to inherit. When Desi died, he was living in a small house in Malibu.

Lucy steeled all me pesos

I don't have the cash right now, but the room I previously offered to Dawn Wells when she was almost homeless, is still available. I was thinking it might even be fun to decorate it like Rhoda's upstairs apartment on MTM.

Desi died in Del Mar R87.

Why hasn't Arlene Golonka donated?

Can't Liz Torres, Valerie's co-star from the 1990 hit CBS series, CITY, help out a friend???

Somebody mentioned Kirstie Alley. She spent money like a drunken sailor during Cheers. I wonder what her finances are like today, she hasn't worked in ages.

Only last week, Kirstie starred in an episode of To Tell The Truth! So there's that.

I feel deeply for my dear friend Val and to help her out, I will auction off a head/shoulder-pivot birthday video for a fan and I will donate 50% of the proceeds (after expenses) to her GoFundMe.

People don't know the good I do.

The Lucie Arnaz meltdown is one of the reasons I love the DL. She probably only donated $100 to be passive-aggressive.

What could be shadier than Luice Arnaz low-balling Val Harper's around-the-clock home hospice care? That bitch is colder than Susan Dey's best wishes!

Her mother was notoriously cheap too.

[quote]Medicare doesn’t cover home health care or nursing home care.

The Actors Fund owns and runs two very well respected nursing home/assisted living facilities. One is in Woodland Hills CA, and the other in Englewood NJ. Valerie more than qualifies for care in either of those with her Medicare + SAG insurance (also under her Equity Health Plan) plus whatever extra she MIGHT have to chip in. I see no need why someone of means who has been a working professional for 60 years would require a GoFundMe campaign!

That being said....Poor Valerie!

Didn't Lucie sell the rights to Star Trek and Indiana Jones soon after her mother died?

God forbid some of these actors get a job a few years after their gravy train ends. I can see coasting for a few years but after that? Got to bring home the bacon like everyone else.

When Alberta Hunter's cabaret income dried up she went to nursing school and worked a few decades. Then she retired and started to sing again in the 80's in NY, to much notice, as everyone had forgotten her talent.

R95 is why I LOVE the DataLounge! No one else in the world would get this.

[quote]I feel deeply for my dear friend Val and to help her out, I will auction off a head/shoulder-pivot birthday video for a fan and I will donate 50% of the proceeds (after expenses) to her GoFundMe.

[quote]People don't know the good I do.

[quote]—Barrie Youngfellow, vaguely dizzy

[quote]Didn't Lucie sell the rights to Star Trek and Indiana Jones soon after her mother died?

Lucy and Desi gave up the rights to Star Trek when they sold Desilu to Paramount in '68. They never saw another dime from Star Trek, but of course no one could've known what an insane cash cow Star Trek would later become. They never had anything to do with Indiana Jones. That was Lucas and Spielberg.

I got the Barrie Youngfellow reference, but who the fuck is Alberta Hunter?

Hisssss!

Lucie Arnaz may not be as well off as you'd think. A few years ago, she and her husband sold their spacious estate in Connecticut and moved into a condo in Palm Springs. I'm sure it is a nice condo, but still ...

Alberta Hunter played Jackee on 227.

Larry Luckinbill is 84 years old. If the kids don't want the estate, it's high to sell it and move into a nice condo.

[quote]I can't remember if it was Dawn or another Gilligan's Island cast member who said that Sherwood Schwartz screwed them over when it came to residuals.

I read that Dawn was actually the ONLY cast member whose manager pre-negotiated a residuals deal. It wasn't for much, but it required that she be paid every time a "Gilligan" episode aired anywhere. The usual pittance used to end after a few reruns, but Dawn was said to have at least done better than ANY of her fellow castaways.

Sherwood Schwartz didn't "screw" anybody out of anything, it's just that the usage (residual) system today does offer actors more income then it did decades ago. Still, every time the contracts are renegotiated with producers the cut off year creeps up. Currently no tv shows made earlier than the mid 70s are responsible for paying residuals to actors, so almost all of Valerie's tv career generates no income any longer. She's been working for over sixty years!

Send in your gay cards, Cro-Magnon DLers.

Here's just some of the things he does:

He shakes my ashes, greases my griddle,

Churns my butter, strokes my fiddle;

My man is such a handy man!

He threads my needle, creams my wheat,

Heats my heater, chops my meat;

My man is such a handy man!

[quote]Only last week, Kirstie starred in an episode of To Tell The Truth! So there's that.

She also did the final UK series of Celebrity Big Brother last summer. If they have another US CBB, I wouldn't be surprised to see her do that one too.

Cross over, Valerie...

[quote]who has been a working professional for 60 years

[quote]She’s been working for over sixty years!

The bitch is an actress. That’s hardly “work.” Let’s talk to some people right here on DL who probably make 1/10th of what she made in their entire lifetime if she really “worked” for 60 years.

She wasn’t battling oil rig fires or saving the lives of indigents FFS.

[quote]If they have another US CBB, I wouldn't be surprised to see her do that one too.

I would be.

I was that little brain tumor, Mr. Biden.

Oh, ok r113. Nobody whoisn't an EMT does any real work.

You sound deranged.

I'm sure Lucie Arnaz inherited a shit load - but it's all in trust, she has just enough cash to live in the manner she's become accustomed.

What is with these people who have no home health aide insurance? A celebrity should, her union would advise it long before it's needed. My mother had 24/7 home heath aides the last two years of her life. Insurance paid half, her portion was approx $6K a month.

I knew someone would have to go there, r116. Evidently you’ve never heard of a term called “examples for representation.”

I never said only EMTs work, (in fact, EMTs don’t fight oil rig fires, either). I’m referring to these rich assholes who never did a days work in their whole life, yet lived in the lap of luxury that people who really work (like me and, I’m presuming even you) can only dream about. Yet they go on the internet begging for money from, guess who. Other billionaires? No. Other millionaires? No. Hell, even other actors? Uh-uh. Working people, that’s who.

Idiots who probably can’t afford to send money, but do, because they “loved her character on that show,” or “she’s a great actress,” or some such bullshit. As if she would’ve given a red penny to help you with your medical bills.

I'm sure she was paid a lot for the "Mary And Rhoda" reunion movie in 2000, right?

You're wrong about everthing you wrote, R118. You've got a big chip on your shoulder and you're wrong.

First, you obviously have no idea how much physical labor is involved in what Valerie Harper has done over the decades. It's not my job to explain it to you and I'm not going to try. The work is very physical and it can be exhausting. You go figure out how.

In the case of Valerie Harper, she is one of the most well liked people in the business. She is dead serious about her work and takes a personal interest in those with whom she works. Not just the co-stars, but the entire company. Within the business, she is famous for this. And there is no way to calculate all the time she has gifted to one worthy cause or another.

Your whole argument is lacking and you applied it to the wrong person.

Hard to believe she doesn't have any funds left. If this happened to her, I would really be screwed.

[quote]First, you obviously have no idea how much physical labor is involved in what Valerie Harper has done over the decades. It's not my job to explain it to you and I'm not going to try. The work is very physical and it can be exhausting.

Yeah, you’re right, it’s probably something I could never get used to. All that physical work.

I believe she is in the very final stages of life and probably requires round the clock nursing. She might be in a morphine induced coma. Homecare can't provide that kind of support. Obviously after having survived for six years past her diagnosis, she and her husband want her to die at home.

A great deal of training, hard work and rejection goes into having a career like Harpers. She was a dancer and they don't do it for money. She struggled for years before the MTM show and didn't work that much after Valerie's Family. Why would anyone expect her to be rich more than 30 years later?

I'm not sure that GoFundMe is real though. It's very poorly presented. Why didn't her husband or agent do it instead?

[quote]Why would anyone expect her to be rich more than 30 years later?

My guess is because she made more in one episode than most families made in a year, so the thinking is, “what did she do with all that money?”

^ There's something wrong with you hon. Men are created equal, money is not. Why pick on Valerie Harper of all people?

r124 as has been explained, tv actors didn't make the huge salaries back then. That didn't start happening until well into the 90s. Also, living in LA or NY ain't cheap and that costs a lot of money.

Back in the 70's actors were not paid what they are today. On top of that you take out taxes and agents fees and they are lucky if they get 50%.

Don’t forget all the blowjobs, r127 - those are opportunity costed for our example.

Only on DL could a thread on Valerie Harper's health turn into a in depth discussion on the finances of Lucie Arnaz..

r129 this is why I love DL. Thread can take the oddest turns.

Of course, Dlers can turn any thread into a discussion about Lucille Ball in one way or another.

[quote] Elderly who have assets have to spend down their money to pay for their health care. They get to keep their homes and cars and some other things. Then they qualify for Medi-Medi and no longer have to pay anything for care. I smell something fishy with Val needing money for her healthcare. The only reason for this is that she does not want to use her assets to pay for her health care.

They most certainly do NOT get to keep their homes and cars. My mother was perilously close to having to go on Medicaid last year because she had to go into a nursing home and her Medicare and supplemental insurance only lasted a certain amount of days for the facility. We were being pushed into applying for Medicaid for her from the get go and were told we would have to put her house up for sale. The house was completely under water (which we could prove), but they said we still had to do it. I wouldn't have cared, but her partner was still living in it (and the house was in my mother's name). They also told us we would have to surrender any life insurance policies with cash value attached to them. And the law now is 5 years for transfer of assets, so we would not have been able to move the house over into someone else's name quickly.

She wound up going from nursing home to hospice care, and the hospice care her insurance covered was only a few weeks. Now I know the rules and laws vary between states because in California, you get six months of hospice care. She died about a week before her hospice care coverage was going to run out, but we were scrambling to figure out other alternatives. We were considering bringing her home and getting part time care and having her partner take care of her the rest of the time. Medicare would have only covered a very few hours per week of a home health aide.

Now I can't speak to why Valerie's insurance isn't covering hospice care if California gives you 6 months. It may be they cover the facility and not an individual, and Valerie wants to stay home. But if she were to go on Medicaid, and anything of value was in her name, she'd have to get rid of it. I don't know what the time frame in CA is for transfer of property, but you would think that after the first scare, she'd have taken care of all that and put the property into someone else's name. I really don't know, but what I do know is that there are ALWAYS complications and restrictions and unless you're a multi-millionaire, you're not going to be able to pay for long term care out of pocket.

Since when do Julie and Valerie not get along?

Valerie went to the premiere of Julie's starring role movie in the 90's and they took pictures together on the red carpet. Harper guest appeared on The Simpsons.

I've already got my own elderly relatives to help. If someone like Valerie Harper can't afford care I don't know how us plebs are supposed to do it.

If Lucie Arnaz were really about that life, she'd donate one plump pillow.

Toyah Willcox can stage a benefit concert for Valerie!

You’re right, r127, but only in today’s dollars. When Rhoda kicked off in 1974, Harper was earning $25,000 per week and a percentage in the series, according to a People article from the time. Taking into account when they say “per week” they’re probably referring to per episode, we’ll say she earned $625,000 since there were 25 episodes in season 1. That’s the equivalent of $3.4M in today’s money.

By comparison, the average YEARLY income in 1974 was $12,000 to $13,000.

And people can’t wonder why she’s broke?

Miller trust n NYS:

"Sometimes referred to as Qualifying Income Trusts, Qualified Income Trusts, or Miller Trusts (based upon a court case with the same name), they are used when a Medicaid applicant has too much income to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to pay for nursing home care or other long-term care costs."

Valerie's husband should divorce her.

[quote]If someone like Valerie Harper can't afford care I don't know how us plebs are supposed to do it.

Isn’t that some scary shit?

I'm counting out coins from my penny jar using my one good eye. If I can help Valerie, so can you bitches.

So last year around January, I saw about 10 scripts for the TV show Rhoda for sale on ebay. They were signed by Valerie and were her working scripts, with her notes in them. I'm a huge fan and I bought one. Turns out, her daughter was selling them on her behalf for medical costs. We had several email exchanges and she couldn't have been more lovely. I made a video thanking Valerie for all that she contributed to my life as a kid, Rhoda was a role model to me- anyway, I was shocked when I got a letter back from Valerie thanking me. They are really good people and I'm so sad for her, she's likely at home in a hospice setting.

You are absolutely right, R130. But it should be noted that Lucy was unfairly maligned for her work in MAME. Sure, there were problems, but none with her work. After such grave injustice, it is to be expected that people would stand up for this comedic icon.

The American Film Institute ranked MAME at #1 on their list of Greatest Horror Films.

Warn a girl R3, now I have beer on my phone.

Somebody should set up a GoFundMe parody account to get Sandy Duncan a new glass eye.

Sandy Duncan doesn't have a glass eye.

Great story, r141.

Yes, Sandy Duncan's glass eye is long gone. In a yard sale.

R141, how much were the scripts going for?

My late mother was terrified of being bedridden and requiring constant care. She was adamantly DNR, would rather be dead than dependent on care and would rather see us get her money than some home health agency. Fortunately she died suddenly of a heart attack. No suffering, no slow drain of her funds.

That’s how I want to go, too. I’d rather be dead than see my family begging for funds to keep me vegetatively alive. Fuck that.

Everybody wants that R150. But it's not what most people get.

I actually pitched a show with her a few years back. It was sort of like what Cool Kids ended up being. She was lovely.

Too bad Jason Bateman won't help her.

Health is so precarious and health costs are criminal.

I'm sorry my silly comments about the Arnaz donation stole time and space from Valerie Harper.

Desi was an in-demand producer and director after ILL!

He made a ton of money off of show's like new DL Fave, 'The Mothers=In-Law.'

Desi, Jr. looks so cute in this MIL clip from 1967.

Didn't The Kaye Ballard Programme only last for two seasons?

Yes, but as Producer and the main Director, Desi made a lot of money off of Kaye and her cohorts.

She can always do Dancing with the Stars again and win some money.

[quote] Teri Hatcher said she wasn't into buying new cars every few years and that she saves up a lot of money.

Teri Hatcher was on the Wendy Williams Show. IIRC, WW said that TH had no agent and that when the WW Show called TH to book her, TH answered her own phone, had no agent, etc. That means she cuts out the middle man and doesn't have to pay a %age of money to an agent.

I'm not sure how to respond to specific comments, but to the person who asked above, the ending bid was $150. It's really a cool piece of ephemera. I've watched the episode it went with and read along with the script. It's especially neat to see what she added to sound "more Rhoda". Also places where she crossed out certain movements she should make and changing them around. It was a great purchase for a fan like me.

Were they autographed by any cast members?

Rue McClanahan had a ton of her scripts, even for shows she guest starred on. When they had that Rue restaurant in NYC, they were all on display. The guest star scripts all had messages and names on them. Nell Carter, Linda Lavin, Bob Newhart, even Faye Dunaway.

[quote] He made a ton of money off of show's like new DL Fave, 'The Mothers=In-Law.'

He hardly made a ton of money off the MIL. NBC was very tight with a buck and in order for the show to come back for a 2nd season, as its ratings weren't all that great, the cast and crew all had to take some salary cuts.. Roger C. Carmel refused and wanted a raise. The rest of the cast came to him and begged him to go along but he refused, so Desi fired him and hired DL fave Richard Deacon to replace him. The show was canceled after Season 2.

No, the scripts were just signed by her. Oh! I forgot, there were cute little drawings in it too!

It doesn't look like they raised too much.

Yeah, she needs to start a Chatubate account.

When did Faye Dunaway guest on the Golden Girls?

Betty White could easily kick in a couple hundred grand. What's she going to do with it?

Isn't Betty one of those animal people? Her money is earmarked for Fido.

Nobody likes Betty. She hasn't any friends in show business. Millions of fans don't know what a self centered fake ass cold woman she is. She plays the modesty game well. Cloris Leachman is a much more generous woman than Betty, even if she is nuts.

I want a joint interview between Betty White & Quincy Jones before they both croak. We need more Golden Age outings!

Oh please. Cloris is a hateful cunt.

She should go on tour showing people how to tie head scarves correctly

[quote]Harper guest appeared on The Simpsons.

But not as herself, just as bit players, how humiliating for her. Kavner obviously did that on purpose, throwing a dog a bone and making it grovel for it.

^ That's how you keep up your SAG card and benefits, plus the guest star cash. Maintain some dignity and utilize your talent. It was a caring gesture, not a bone. Some pretty small minded people here on DL. SMH.

r175

No, Kavner could've said, "give her a good part." But Kavner being the jerk she is said, "Make sure it's only a little part, so it'll be humiliating for her. It would be like giving Bette Davis the part as Natalie's grandmother on the "Facts of Life."

Bette Davis lowered herself many, many - manymanymany - times over her career.

Why are we shitting Shiva on Natalie's grandmother?

But Parker has a big wiener.

Right, R176. Give the sick woman a big part so she has to work her ass off before she gets paid.

The only thing bitches more than an actor without a job is an actor with a job. A nice pay check for an easy one-day gig is the absolute show business pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Lots of people have done cameos on The Simpsons. No shame there. Just read your lines and accept your pay. An actor's dream.

This should be a bigger news story.

R181 Maybe, next week we will see more news outlets reporting on this.

I wonder if some of her celeb friends have made donations directly to her husband instead of the gofundme route.

I bet they have.

I bet they have.

R180

A cameo is when the actor plays themselves. Julie is just a mean bitch

R177

Not that low, besides no part that Bette did was degrading, because if she did it, it was great, irregardless

If somebody were to donate her $5,000, but left a message with it that said, "You should have been dead five years ago," would it be an act of kindness or cruelty?

Bette Davis took shit parts because her useless daughter and son-in-law refused to work and Bette supported them lock, stock and barrel. If she'd told them both to fuck off and get jobs, she would've been much better off financially.

Bette Davis could not give up the limelight. As harsh as it was to her.

Shut up, R185. You are too dumb to be so bossy.

My parents had good insurance. My father battled cancer for a long time. He went to chemo in the years near his retirement. He went into remission. It came back eventually and he was taking lots of toxic drugs. I was home to visit and he was going to the hospital for the final run to death. Hospital then hospice then death. When we got to the hospital we had a long wait as his room was not ready. He begged me to take him to the bridge nearby, a very high bridge, so he could jump into the river and and die. I figured he had a right to that. I said I understood and if it were he and I alone I would take him over there by my siblings and mom (his wife) would never understand nor would they forgive me, and it was probably criminal.

I hope if I get into one of these situations, I have the wits and strength to kill myself alone, with no help and without leaving much of a mess physically or administratively.

We've segued to Bette Davis? You queens are so predictable! What's next? Debating whether or not Joan Crawford deserved her Oscar for Mildred Pierce? Whether or not Angela Lansbury should have replaced Lucy in Mame? Whether or not Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy were bearding for each other? Whether or not Bea Arthur really took a shit in Betty White's dressing room?

I was molested.

r192 please be patient. Those topics will come up soon.

Valerie should move into a small cozy apartment, like this one:

Whoever thought Betty White would outlive almost everyone?

For the Cloris Leachman posters. I waited on her TONS of times from 2000-2001. Her daughter regularly played music at the bar I worked at. Cloris was amazing!! A total weirdo in the best possible way. We all loved her.

[quote]Sandy Duncan doesn't have a glass eye.

Damn straight. She lost in that god-damned wheat field.

[quote]But not as herself, just as bit players, how humiliating for her. Kavner obviously did that on purpose, throwing a dog a bone and making it grovel for it.

Why are you SUCH a PSYCHO creating an IMAGINARY FEUD between Julie Kavner and Valerie??!

People with a crystal ball who KNOW for certain what people they've NEVER met are SECRETLY thinking are the creepiest brand of frau EVER!

I imagine we are all lucky this thread hasn't morphed into why Mamie Eisenhower wore bangs, or who really killed River Phoenix, but the night is young!

Mamie Eisenhower wore bangs because she had a very high forehead. Seriously, that was the ugliest fucking hairstyle. It's odd that she never wigs instead. Some well-made wigs would've been an improvement over her real hair.

Whoever imagined that Julie Kavner would become fabulously wealthy?

[quote]R142 it should be noted that Lucy was unfairly maligned for her work in MAME. Sure, there were problems, but none with her work.

????

Aside from the fact she SUCKED ASS in it??

I love this web series, MUSICAL HELL

The gofundme isn't doing well. I think a lot of people have a hinky feeling about it. I certainly do. Though if it wasn't legit, I highly doubt Roger Friedman would have publicized it in the first place, or at least would now be retracting his initial support. I don't see any signs that her husband is behind it as we were originally told. Maybe he's too busy taking care of her, and he doesn't even know this is going on. Whatever, it just doesn't pass the sniff test.

I want to believe that her friends and peers in the business are lending a hand, and doing so off of the radar.

As many have noted here, if this can happen to her...how fucked are we?

Julie Kavner is a bitch. She won't do Marge, because she used to charge people to do it. The greedy bitch. Then someone pointed out that Marge sounds exactly like Julie in real life, so she quit doing it all together.

Julie isn't even grateful to Tracey Ullman, and she should be on her knees kissing Tracey's ass. She would be nothing without Tracey and more of a nothing without Valerie.

Giving Valerie a part on "the Simpsons" is not exhausting. Mel Blanc was in a major car accident that left him almost totally paralyzed. His insurance company refused to pay out at first, because they said, he could still work. Indeed there are lots of pictures of him totally immobile surrounded by the other cast members of the Flintstones doing the show. Even if Valerie is wiped out by the treatments she could do more than a token part.

Julie Kavner died almost 4 years ago. She doesn't "do" Marge anymore. She is dead. She could hardly be expected to get Valerie Harper a job on The Simpsons at any time. But now that Julie is dead, we can forgive her for not giving the almost dead Valerie a starring voice over role on The Simpsons. RIP Julie. Godspeed Valerie.

R206, Julie is alive and well. She sends her love.

Rhoda fan, can you send an email to Valerie's daughter and gently inquire as to whether the GoFundMe is legit?

R202, be gone! The iiot boy in that inane video is an expert on nothing. He offers nothing but shallow, uninformed, personal opinion.

The problem with the movie MAME lies primarily with the producer who hired Paul Zindel to write the script. Lucy didn't get the same script that Roz Russell had or that Angela Lansbury had. Paul Zindel is a playwright with one success, "The Effrect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds." It is a small play with a small cast and it is a heavily dramatic piece. But his success came in the early 1970s when MAME was being made and the studio wanted an important writer for its big musical.

Sadly, Zindel didn't have a clue what to do with a musical. If Roz Russell or La Lansbury got the dialogue given to Lucy, they would have been as weighted down by it as she was. Why an experienced producer like Lucille Ball didn't throw the goddamned script back at the studio bosses, we will never know. She should have seen the problem and she had enough clout to get it fixed.

The idiot boy in the spurious video hasn't a clue. You should hang your head in shame for promoting that goddamned thing.

[quote]I hope if I get into one of these situations, I have the wits and strength to kill myself alone,

We'll help you out with that, not to worry.

[quote]and without leaving much of a mess physically

This we cannot promise.

[quote]at the bar I worked at.

Oh, dear!

[Quote] Why an experienced producer like Lucille Ball didn't throw the goddamned script back at the studio bosses, we will never know. She should have seen the problem and she had enough clout to get it fixed.

So it was Lucy's fault. Gotcha.

Where is Marge Champion in all of this?

Marge Champion will be 100 in September!

What age would Helen Wood be in September?

Very surprising that Helen Lawson has yet to donate to Val's GFMP.

Actually, Zindel's script was the only one approved by Lucille.

Have any of you watched "I Love Lucy" lately? It really does not hold up. It is not funny at all. Even "Rhoda" holds up better since it so vividly captures a 70s urban ambience.

Looks ans sounds like she could star in The Walking Dead

Djokovic wins.

I want to give him a tongue bath

[quote]r209 The iiot [sic] boy in that inane video is an expert on nothing. He offers nothing but shallow, uninformed, personal opinion....You should hang your head in shame for promoting that goddamned thing.

He serves up clips citing where Ball can't sing, dance, or deliniate acting choices.

Yeah, he offers nothing.

His comparisons of the Mrs. Lovetts of Lansbury, LuPone and Bonham Carter are interesting, too.

Though R202 probably thinks Lucille Ball should have played that part, too.

Recently Valerie has been doing some voice work on The Simpsons.

Rather late, aren't you R223?

Oh, yeah, and where the hell is Mary Tyler Moore's MD husband Robert Levine? He should be contributing a lot.

[quote]He serves up clips citing where Ball can't sing, dance, or deliniate acting choices.

Oh, dear!

You’re cute, r223. A little slow, but cute.

Re; the commenter above who asked if I could email Valerie's daughter about the go fund me- sadly no. I was very disappointed to see when I logged into eBay the other day, all of our exchanges were automatically deleted by eBay, as they don't keep them for more than 6 months. Also, she deactivated her account. I do have and plan to actually mail an inquiry because I kept the FedEx envelope with her daughters home address. I just hope that doesn't seem too intruding to them.

r208 and r228, Valerie's daughter confirmed on her Twitter that this is a real campaign.

Valerie spent all her money on scarves

I bet Valerie's "friends" are circling Tony Caccioti like hungry turkey vultures.

Nah, sometimes we imagine celebrities have greater of more privileged lives. A regular person who needs cancer treatment or burial expenses can often raise 10 or 20 thousand dollars on GofundMe accounts. Valerie probably doesn't have a clue this is being done on her behalf. Why don't most here understand that her death is actually here - within weeks? Who knows the state of her finances or what Julie Kavner ALREADY did to help her? I don't feel extra sorry for Rhoda, I feel bad for Valerie's suffering and your shitty health care system and our culture that supports the conservative excuse that the "community" will rise to look after their own. If Val Harper is too broke for at home care, then it can happen to anyone. She hasn't a history of self pity or begging regarding her cancer. She had a curiosity about her disease and treatment and a big warm personality way of sharing the information. She's an actress. She also needed some money and hope. Same as ordinary folk. So she did Dancing With The Stars and some voiceovers. That's what she qualifies for. Well paid, no prestige. She said "Why not me?" when she was diagnosed with the brain cancer. She didn't think she was special and she expressed gratitude for her life. Has anyone seen a photo of her in the last 2 years? I enjoy sarcasm and sick jokes. But the level of cynicism and meanness on display here is not familiar to people who are truly loved. Godspeed Valerie.

It was posted only a few comments above yours R232 that she knows about the gofundme.

Thank you, Julie Kavner.

r231 Why is he majorly hot or well connected? Sadly I think the end is very near for Valerie.

I notice actor/writer Charles Busch gave $200 to Valerie's gofundme account. It is twice as much as Lucie, and you know drag queens his age don't make much money.

Charles is obviously a good soul r236

[quote]It was posted only a few comments above yours [R232] that she knows about the gofundme.

I guess you were incapable of understanding the larger spirit of my post R233? You are also incorrect.

Read R229 R238.

Because the GoFundMe campaign is real doesn't mean Val knows about it.

David Groh didn't come through for her either. Obviously still very bitter.

He blames Valerie for Kurt's death?

Groh has been dead for a decade. Dumb cunts on this thread.

R241, David Groh died in 2008.

R237, They did a concert version of Auntie Mame for charity some years back. Charles was Mame and Val narrated.

Val showed up for Lucy but she isn't returning the favor.

Has Armand Linton donated?

Georgia Engel should be ashamed of herself.

R241, Just for the record, Richard Schaal is also deceased.

Lisa Gerritsen, she put you on the map!

Ed, Betty, Cloris and Betty need to help Val. Ante up!

Oops two Bettys.^^^

James L Brooks. Seriously!!!

Georgia Engel is dead R248. You should be ashamed of yourself desecrating sweet Georgia, a peach of a girl.

Valerie really didn't have a chance after MTM died. She could turn the life support machine on with her smile.

Maybe Jeffrey Epstein can buff up his image by swooping in with a big check?

She needs to go on Hospice, which is covered by Medicare.

I hope Ro makes 80 in August!

Who inherited MTM's money?

Valerie took over the leading role in the Broadway production of "The Tale of the Allergist's Wife" by Charles Busch. She kept his show running profitably when Linda Lavin departed. $200 is not excessive.

Joyce Bulifant?

Not only played Murray's wife, she married Dick Schaal after Val.

Too soon R261

R259

There wasn't any. She spent it all on hats. She had a bad habit of wearing them once then tossing them out

Joyce Bulifant is likely trying to hold onto whatever sad house in the valley she has. It's not like she is rolling in dough. She's probably still pissed that whore Florence Henderson STOLE the role of Carol Brady right out from under her.

R259 her husband, surely? The doctor guy who ran off in a huff when Mary called the police that one time. He seemed like a jackass but I'm sure got all her money, or what was left of it.

We need a better system for end-of-life care. I can see how it might become a slippery slope, but seriously.

I hope I follow family tradition and die of a massive coronary.

[quote]Dumb cunts on this thread.

I think most of it is sarcasm and making fun of the first guy who honestly suggested a very dead former celebrity help her out.

Thank you R229, I'm going to donate now that I know it's real.

My mom had a stroke R266. It was obvious she was not going to recover. The hospital had a hospice wing and my mom was moved there. Within a week the hospital basically told me she wasn't dying fast enough and I should look at taking her home and having round the clock nurses. It is too long of a story to tell here, but I lost all respect for Drs after what I had deal with.

Valerie and her lazy husband won millions from NBC in that 1988 lawsuit.

She won $1.4M and got profit participation, which couldn't have been much for a low-rated show that rarely got syndicated. And it was 31 years ago.

You'd know that if you'd read the fucking thread.

We had a great thread on Valerie's Family/The Hogan Family a while back.

These gofundme campaigns for Dawn Wells or Valerie are really depressing. Don't get me wrong of how I feel about these actresses, but there are others that are worthy of a donation that will never get one because they are not famous. Instead of donating to a brief cause donate to something where your money will count.

Even more depressing is that this one has raised a whopping $5,000.

Medicare does cover skilled nursing care and hospice care. I was in skilled nursing 3 times for broken hips and THR and they cover around 21 days at no cost. Perks of old age.

Okay, I'll kick in $105.

Sally Struthers needs to help raise money for Val.

I read an article recently that Val donated her money from the Hogan Family lawsuit to charity. This is according to her.

Someone named Charles Levin gave $400,000,000 to her

[quote] She's probably still pissed that whore Florence Henderson STOLE the role of Carol Brady right out from under her.

Bitch would know about stealing all right

[quote]I read an article recently that Val donated her money from the Hogan Family lawsuit to charity. This is according to her.

Yes, it was called the "Fake illness / Make Money / Rekindle Your Career / Charity"

Have Thelma, Buzz, Sonia, Eunice, Mary Ellen, and Naomi helped their kin yet?

Valerie STOLE the part of Rhoda Morgenstern from ME, and I'm not coming back to fund her!

Has Nancy Walker donated yet?

Why don't they check on hospice?

The family would probably like to keep her at home, for as long as they have a home before our medical system takes it from them.

The GFM drive could stave that off for a few weeks.

So they want other people to pay for their wishes?

[quote]The family would probably like to keep her at home

I'd like to not go to work, so should I start a GoFundMe?

Fuck you, R287. Fuck you and your bullshit right-wing Republican selfish view of the world. We have plenty of resources in this country to treat a dying people humanely and with dignity without bankrumpting their families, leaving them both grieving and broke.

The reason we don't have decent health care in this country is stupid selfish people like you.

^ Bravo r288.

If she makes it 5 weeks she'll be 80 !

What would Rhoda at 80 look like?

How much does she need? I don`t think she is beloved as much as Dawn Welles.

R269, I’m very sorry.

A family friend died on her 50s when a car she was driving in went off a road in (I think it was) Spain or Italy. She had recently divorced and was on vacation with her new man, they had apparently had a few drinks at dinner and didn’t slow down enough to take the turn.

It was deemed “tragic”, but I think it was a good way to go. Before all the horrible health problems disable you, kids are adults and don’t need you, going out on a high note, quick and probably painless due to the drinks, didn’t hurt anyone else. Better than a long and painful demise.

[quote]We have plenty of resources in this country to treat a dying people humanely and with dignity without bankrumpting their families, leaving them both grieving and broke.

And going to a hospice is ONE OF THOSE. But it was said, she doesn't want to do that, she wants to remain with her family.

SHE made the choice and wants us to pay for it.

You really are a total asshole, you don't even understand the simple concept of accept responsibility for your choices in life.

r289

Again, read the fuckin' statement dumbass. She could go to a hospice, that is fine for 99.9% but NO SHE WANTS SOMETHING MORE.

AND SHE EXPECTS OTHERS TO PAY FOR HER OWN CHOICE

Should I tell the cat and have the cat explain it to you? 'Cause the cat's gonna understand.

You are a total dumbass, who probably goes out barebacking and then bitches when taxpayers won't pick up the bill for your social diseases.

Nice that you have a cat R295. Being crazy and all - I'm sure it's good therapy for you.

r295

So true, she could go somewhere that she has insurance for but is choosing not to. Reminds me of that Indiana couple who knew they were giving birth to a conjoined twin, they chose to have it. Then when it came it racked up a million dollars worth of medical bills and it died in a month.

Then they went around suing everyone for neglect.

R294, you can be in hospice AT HOME. What Valerie needs are people to pick her up and put her on the toilet. Bath her, feed her, dress her. In other words, a home health aid. If she needs it 24/7, she's in very bad shape. My mother went through all of that in NYC with the help from aides. Family members could not perform those tasks; Medicare paid for her at home hospital bed, oxygen, RN visits.

Are you people high? Hospice is still limited in terms of days covered by insurance. You're acting like she's being lazy and entitled.

Bunch of big mouth queens.

90 days of hospice is covered at home. When you're that sick they expect you to die within three months. Most do.

"You're acting like she's being lazy and entitled."

That's one poster spewing all that vitriol, r299.

[quote] Can't Julie Kavner shell out?

She certainly can afford it, but Julie's an anti-social hermit. Despite Valerie giving Julie her big break, I doubt they've kept in contact hardly at all.

[quote]Medicare does cover skilled nursing care and hospice care. I was in skilled nursing 3 times for broken hips and THR and they cover around 21 days at no cost. Perks of old age.

So your hips DO lie.

Sally Struthers has donated $250 to Valerie's cancer fund. Perhaps the shaming she received on DL has something to do with it.

Anything from Linda Lavin?

E.T. Online, JustJared and Broadway World have all reported on the gofundme campaign for Valerie in just the last few hours. Hopefully the donations will pick up with increased awareness. I gave what I thought was right for me and I'm sure many others will too. I'd like to see it get to at least $75,000.

Do you think the DataLounge had something to do with the word getting spread?

Very sad news.

Still nothing from Kavner.

Susan Dey’s check is in the mail. Along with her tears.

Who needs Susan Dey? Gloria is on it. Soon others will follow her example.

[quote]Sally Struthers donated $250 -Tony is an exceptional husband and a devoted caregiver. And my friend Valerie is an angel and a riot. Your battle has been courageous and I hugely admire your strength, courage and humor. I adore you, Valerie Harper. xox

Some generous showbiz bigwig must have donated to the Cacciotti's privately at this point. Rosie O'Donnell, maybe???

Not directing this at Val, but one thing this thread's made me think of is, modern medicine has allowed us to prolong life, but at what financial cost? In older times, a sick person would be put in bed, and their family would sit vigil with soup and cool compresses, and the person would eventually waste away. The end.

Now it seems the terminal phase of illnesses can go on a lot longer ... as the bills rack up and up and UP. If you're dying, you're dying. Why fight it?

R313 I posted upthread about my mom having a stroke. Even with all her directives her lawyers and the hospital lawyers had to get together to honor her living will. The lawyers, the doctors and myself go into a room. There were two or three doctors and I asked them point blank, if it were you mother would you be doing this to her? They all said they would let their mother go. I'm not going to try to second guess their motives, but the emotional pain they put me and my moms friends for 3 weeks was almost unbearable and for what?

WHERE IS STREISAND???? She's met Valerie, Valerie plugged her name numerous times on MTM...Valerie was our TV Jewish girl, while Barbra was the movies version. Pay up, Babs!

Val MADE Babs!

I thought Valerie was Italian.

Rhoda went to Erasmus High in Brooklyn with Barbra. That was when she advised her not to get a nose job.

^ her step mother was Italian, that's who she learned the New Yorkese from. In real life, Val is a garden variety WASP :(

Can you believe that Valerie made a movie with ELLIOTT GOULD and Barbra Streisand didn't contribute??? Elliott's a deadbeat, but Babs?

Barbra Streisand wouldn't pay for her own son's funeral. RIP Jason.

Val has done 7 episodes of The Simpsons, six of them in the last two years. I think it's fair to say she's on okay terms with Julie Kavner, who, yes, is a notorious malcontent.

She's also done voice work on two eps of American Dad, the last of which just aired in April. No on camera work since 2016, if IMDB is correct.

[Quote] Barbra Streisand wouldn't pay for her own son's funeral. RIP Jason.

Well, she's paid for everything else...

Fun fact-Sally Struthers and Val tied for supporting actress comedy Emmy in the early 70s.

Julie's not a malcontent, she's just shy and has gotten A LOT more so since the success of the Simpsons. But she's always been very appreciative to those who have worked with her and given her career a boost.

She thinks the work should speak for itself. She doesn't like answering silly questions from fans about Rhoda or The Simpsons. And she absolutely will not do the voice of Marge or any of the others in public, because she feels it shatters the enjoyment of the show.

But there's no bitterness between Kavner and anyone associated with Rhoda. In fact, she gave a rare interview to promote the first season DVD and spoke well of it:

[quote]Valerie Harper and Nancy Walker and Hal Gould and David Groh ... and (behind the scenes) David Davis and James L. Brooks and Lorenzo Music and Allan Burns ... I was the new one. It was my first paying job. But they couldn't have been nicer and more welcoming. It was always, always about the work ... none of that, you know, diva bulls---

No feud there. So stop pretending there is one.

Home hospice is brutal on the family if they're the primary caregivers. It's very demanding in terms of time and effort. Sure dying at home is better for the patient, but it's worse on the family. So if Valerie wants this, I can understand her family wanting to be able to pay for other people to help with the work and share the time.

I'm my mom's primary caregiver, and even with a family member being paid to cover for me while I'm at work, it's hell. I have no life. She can't be left alone, so I can't go anywhere, not even for a few minutes, unless I've made arrangements in advance for someone to cover for me while I'm gone. I'm up at least half a dozen times each night with her. I'm a walking zombie from the sleep deprivation and no, I can't catch up on weekends because I can't be asleep when she's awake, and she wakes up early every day. I have to dress her, help her on and off the toilet, wipe her, and clean up when she has an accident. I have to get help getting her off the floor when she falls down. She even needs help eating. And she's not going through the dying process yet. When that time comes, for my own sanity she'll have to go into hospice. One of my aunts chose to die at home, and while it was nice and easy for her, it was hell on her husband and daughter.

^Julie should really wear a wig or a scarf or something?

R326, dripping the sweetness of human kindness, talking about how "nice and easy" it was for "one of" her aunts to die while creating hell for her family.

The selfish terminal case.

Personally, I've been too busy contributing to Joan Van Ark's "Bury Valene at Southfork Fund" for the last 23 years to even think about a drachma for Valerie.

It's not like she didn't see it coming, for fuck's sake.

Streisand's son Jason died? Wtf?

Hey, R328, it was easy for my aunt. She got to die at home, in her familiar space, with her family tending her. They naturally didn't tell her the toll it was taking on them. I was present the evening of her death, which was as peaceful as one could wish for.

But after having provided her home hospice care, her husband chose to go to a hospice when it was his time. He had learned from his wife's experience with home hospice, and understood and appreciated that they've got professionals providing most of the care and handling most of the details, lessening the burden and stress on the family.

I'm quite sure if my aunt had realized what home hospice entailed for her family, she would not have chosen it. She was a very generous and charitable woman, and would not have wanted to put her family through that. If they had had the means to hire additional caregivers, they would have done so. If you can't afford to do that, you've got a heavy load.

[quote]r330 I'm quite sure if my aunt had realized what home hospice entailed for her family, she would not have chosen it. She was a very generous and charitable woman, and would not have wanted to put her family through that.

Val, on the other hand - -

[quote]Anything from Linda Lavin?

Linda has offered to sing at the funeral and will waive her usual fee.

Thank you sanctimonious, Julie, R325. You are NOT excused, regardless of you exhaustive lame effort.

You... had possibilities?

Any word from Jason Bateman?

Carlton the doorman will be donating anonymously.

I'm sorry to hear that Valerie Harper is fading, but then again, I hate spunk.

Poor Valerie!

Rhoda will be with Mare. That's some comfort.

‘I don’t know why I’m drinking this Ensure. I might as well apply it directly to my hips!’

(Val, cracking up the hospice nurse.)

Valerie's cancer fund is now over $15,000, thanks in part to several $1,000 contributions, including one from actress Frances Fisher.

Julie Kavner has plenty of money and ample opportunity to share some with Valerie Harper quietly and discreetly, away from the public circus that is Go Fund Me. First it was obligatory RIP tweets, virtually required of everyone in public life when someone else in public life kicks the bucket. Now we have obligatory donations via Go Fund Me. Give too little and be pilloried as a cheap skate. Give too much and be called out as an attention grabbing opportunist.

The whole thing sucks.

I’ll bet r326 doesn’t have a GoFundMe. And I’ll bet even more his family member didn’t earn anything close to what Valerie earned for the Simpson’s alone.

It’s a shame that by virtue of name recognition only, people are contributing when there’s people that no one has ever heard of in a much worse situation.

[quote]I don`t think she is beloved as much as Dawn Welles.

So beloved we don’t even spell her name correctly!

[quote]BUSTED THIS GUY TO THE POINT OF EMBARRASMENT

I’d be more embarrassed at your own spelling.

[quote]Bath her, feed her, dress her.

Oh, dear!

[quote] Valerie's cancer fund is now over $15,000, thanks in part to several $1,000 contributions, including one from actress Frances Fisher.

Sally Struthers donated a few hundred dollars, as well.

We know, r346.

How is Dawn WellEs doing ? Did everything work out ?

Dawn made over 200 K

If Bonnie Franklin were alive, she'd make a healthy donation.

You see, that's the problem with Go Fund Me. It's a pyramid scam. To get any money, you have to be the first to die, while there are still people alive who can donate. If you're the last to die, like Valerie, then you've given all yours away to people who are now dead and there's no one living to give their money to you.

"I have to get help getting her off the floor when she falls down..."

R326, falls can be deadly for the elderly, why doesn't she have a walker? Rolator walkers are really snazzy - wheels, hand brakes, a seat, a pouch for supplies, they are absolutely fab!

We know she wouldn’t be donating any bras, r350.

I hate to donate to GoFundMe, but I LOVE to TAP!

[quote]r350 If Bonnie Franklin were alive, she'd make a healthy donation.

If it were just online, fine. But I wouldn't want 'Slaps' Romano anywhere near a sick person.

So Valerie wasn't Italian and Bonnie wasn't Irish...

I don't think it's coincidence that a Go Fund Me just went up to help pay for Sandy Duncan's new glass eye

R342= Susan Dey

What she is asking for, to die at home, is what most people would want.

Precisely r359

Already been done, r357.

Starting WAY the fuck back at r145.

Meredith Vieira should donate. She did a couple specials with her about her cancer battles.

HOW ABOUT OPRAH???? She loved Mary, can't she support Mary's best friend?

R356, it's called acting, Rose.

Gaga hasn't made this all about her yet?

Val's GFM page is almost at $32K.

R326/R330 is immune to herself.

How nice for her.

Too bad about others.

The diseased mind of the miss warwick poster is not welcome here. Shoo.

I don't have time to read 360 posts in this thread but I read the beginning.

If no one else has given a definitive answer then I will - if she kept up her SAG/AFTRA union membership she should have insurance coverage out the wazoo. We had 24/7 care for my father through his SAG/AFTRA plans and six different kinds of cancer. It was 100% covered.

You're right, r363. Oprah absolutely ADORED Mary Tyler Moore. Let's hope Oprah can help Mary Richards' best friend Rhoda Morgenstern!

A "Go Fund Me" page?

Bitch has some colossal balls. Maybe she should contact Ripley's and put those big cujoñes on display. $25 to see them, $50 to touch them, and $100 to sit on them like Santa's lap, and have your picture taken.

I know poverty. She doesn't have a clue.

A "Go Fund Me" page?

Bitch has some colossal balls. Maybe she should contact Ripley's and put those big cujoñes on display. $25 to see them, $50 to touch them, and $100 to sit on them like Santa's lap, and have your picture taken.

I know poverty. She doesn't have a clue.

How much to fuck you Darfur? Stick, ball, Pac-Man and snacks provided.

Everything in the MSM indicates her husband started this GoFundMe.

So what's to assume he doesn't want to pay while she could. Maybe he wants to keep her money for himself.

^^ he's the next g-damn Chris Watts, is what he is.

Except his wife already has one foot in the grave, so why bother?

It’s the perfect crime, r376!

Has she sold her "ect sign?" I bet she could get millions for that.

R369, you forgot Equity. Valerie should have union coverage - 3 - up the wazoo

Not up the wazoo. That coverage doesn't last forever. You have to work a qualifying amount to get that coverage.

She's almost 80. She's on Medicare, anyway. This is all playing out in the bizarre and treacherous world of Medicare supplemental plans. Good luck figuring any of that out on your own.

Correct, R374. Val's HUSBAND put this together, don't blame her.

They seem to have had a long happy marriage. Tony Cacciotti was a personal trainer. Not long after he became involved with Valerie, he became an actor, producer, and her personal manager. He may be a nice and sincere guy, but he was dependent on her and her money and lord knows how he was spending.

I read an article once where Valerie credited Mary Tyler Moore in helping her leave her first marriage. Valarie seems needy and passive in her marriages. I'm not saying that Tony Cacciotti is a crook, I'm saying that perhaps she should have been keeping an eye on him.

[quote] read an article once where Valerie credited Mary Tyler Moore in helping her leave her first marriage. Valarie seems needy and passive in her marriages.

I never got that impression. I recall a 1978 interview and she said Dick Schaal were very friendly but they decided there was no reason to stay married at that point, and it was a mutual decision. I've never seen any interview where Valerie seems to bear any animosity toward him. Now she is an actress so maybe she covered that up?

Here she talks about her divorce, with an unfortunate unflattering 70s perm

I’m pulling for Valerie even though it doesn’t look good at this point. Horrible how she’s worked 50 years plus in the entertainment industry and has to rely on go fund me at this point.

r384

Is it any less horrible for a person to work 50 years at Sears and have to rely on a GoFundMe?

Everyone has good and bad things happen in life. She's more fortunate than 99% of us, that at least she had something good happen rather than a string on bad thing or no things at all.

“She taught me to divorce,” Harper says with a mischievous smile, recalling the day Moore pulled her aside during a rehearsal of Rhoda and whispered that she was separating from her second husband.

R382, Valerie Harper never said anything bad about Richard Schaal or anyone I can think of. She could have been in a dead-end marriage and needed a push to get out.

They had matching mouths in that pic. 😁😁

[quote]Has she sold her "ect sign?" I bet she could get millions for that.

Her WHAT sign?

An anonymous person just donated $5,000.

I bet it was Murray.

R389, It was Desi Jr. making up for his sister’s public display of cheapness.

R385 calm the fuck down. It’s horrible for ANYONE who get sick and can’t pay for treatment.

Thanks, r388, I was wondering that too! What is r378 talking about? "ect sign?"

Her "etc" sign that hung in her attic apartment on the MTM show, akin to Mary's "M".

The $5000 came from Carlton, her doorman.

Is r378 dyslexic?

Yes, R396, Mary was very dyslexic.

DYSLEXICS UNTIE!

In the clip that R383 dug up (and agree about the unfortunate perm), it seems like Valerie and Richard Schaal had an conscious uncoupling DECADES before Goop and Chris Martin did.

Has Cloris chipped in?

HOW ABOUT LOU GRANT??? They dated for a while...

Kim Novak just gave 10 bucks. Cheapskate.

I gave to a go fund me once. It was for a person I kinda knew. Anyway, you can use any name you want to associate with your gift, unless they changed the rules since then.

So I could donate 25 cents and call myself Mrs. Armand Linton?

Somebody give 25c in Julie Kavner's name!

If that's not the real Kim Novak, she should be furious.

Do Jimmy and Roslyn Carter have any spare cash? Would it kill them to make even the tiniest donation? Ro was kind of a Carter era phenom.

Jimmy's extra money goes to tracking down killer water rabbits.

r400

No, I'm sure you'll be able to tell when she does because it'll say "Special Guest Donator, Cloris Leachman"

R109 So, Danny Bonaduce doesn't get any more Partridge Family money?

You have to be careful with these GoFundMe deals. My niece is going blind, and a scumbag "friend" of hers set up a GFM account and stole the money. We're in the process of trying to get it back, but...just sayin'.

8 time Emmy Winner and Academy Award winning Actress Cloris Leachman sends her love. There is nothing more valuable. Val's up to almost $50,000 + Cloris's love.

Sick!

Yikes!

This GFM stuff can go horribly, horribly wrong. But how come the boyfriend didn't face any charges?

R414 I think the boyfriend did get charged later on. The homeless guy that was in on the scam was put on a probation and had to go to drug rehab.

GoFundMe takes a chunk as well

Actually, GoFundMe doesn't take any money from the donations, but they do ask for a tip.

This needed be so complicated.

[quote]So I could donate 25 cents and call myself Mrs. Armand Linton?

Yes, so everyone could know that you're a sad loser and an unhappy troll. Who has never given a donation to any organization or cause, ever.

Even on their site it is confusing R417. The processing fee, if memory serves me, is taken out of the donation. So your $100 donation is actually 97.40.

Jeff Probst gave 500

[quote]Teri Hatcher said she wasn't into buying new cars every few years and that she saves up a lot of money.

Teri Hatcher's house was in foreclosure when Desperate Housewives came along and saved her ass. As of last year she's been renting it out for $25,000 to $30,000 a month. Likewise Virginia Madsen was about to lose her house when she got her Oscar nomination for Sideways. It was Harrison Ford who bailed her out by demanding she be cast as his wife in Firewall.

I was friends with a famous B movie actor who those stupid celebrity worth websites claim has $10 million but he almost got foreclosed on too, only keeping his home by getting involved with some shady people who bought it from him and let him stay there though he has to pay it back at a certain time which he never will because he simply doesn't make enough money from his many low budget movies where he typically only works for a day or two in order to give the filmmakers a "name" to get the movie into obscure festivals or on Amazon Prime thus will one day end up with both legs broken or worse.

People seem to forget that these celebrities aren't just supporting themselves. They're also spending a lot of money on supporting their various family members - ex wives/husbands, kids (including buying or renting a house or apartment for each one), deadbeat siblings, aged parents. Not to mention their agents, managers, lawyers, housekeepers, assistants, landscapers etc.

By the way, is there any proof yet that this Go Fund Me account is actually connected to Valerie?

Every major publication has reported on Valerie's Go Fund Me at this point, with some biographical information on her career and illness. The Go Fund Me listing is pretty poorly written but some one must have fact checked that it was legitimate. I gave 50 bucks a few days ago. The donations are coming in much faster now. It's a bit cynical to say that Valerie Harper is begging for money. Her husband (who is also her agent) didn't do it and it all started with a simple twitter post. Tony is 78 and Valerie is 79. I don't think they would be asking for help if they had anything left but a home.

Lots of people don't have a home, that's true. Money and sympathy were not created equally.

How do we see who donated what?

Why R424? It's just dollar amounts and maybe a sentence or good will. Have you never given to anyone before?

[quote]People seem to forget that these celebrities aren't just supporting themselves. They're also spending a lot of money on supporting their various family members - ex wives/husbands, kids (including buying or renting a house or apartment for each one), deadbeat siblings, aged parents. Not to mention their agents, managers, lawyers, housekeepers, assistants, landscapers etc.

Yeah, many celebs have ended up with financial issues to due to family members. There was a thread about Cate Blanchett's disabled brother who is living in poverty in Australia. Some DLers suspected that he's a deadbeat and Cate refuses to support him. If it's true I don't blame her for refusing to support him.

I'd much rather help a celebrity than a nobody.

I'd much rather help a celebrity than a nobody.

Maybe when an actor first makes some real money, he shouldn't buy a mansion he can't afford in the long run when the shine wears off the star.

I hope Valerie has set up her SAG, AFTRA, and Equity pensions with survivorship benefits for her husband Tony. You take less every month if you choose that option I believe if it's like my parents' teachers' pensions.

I don't know or even like Valerie Harper's work that much. Is she anything other than Rhoda? The Brooklynese was not put on unless she did it forever? I doubt she lived a glamorous entitled life. She was so open about her diagnosis that people are distrustful of her now. Who cares? Her husband was her "personal trainer" except her really was. They are like 35 years in and he's her manager and caregiver and one of her reasons to live. It's possible they did some early publicity and DWTS for cash. So, don't give her a cent. She said she was ready to go when she was first diagnosed but if you've lived awhile, you know that the desire to live is surprisingly strong, even in the most unhappy and sick people.

I don't give to mothers whose children drown and can't afford to bury them. Or Chris Reeves trying to walk again. But I work with Covenant House and give what I can to no kill animal shelters. I give money to some people outside liquor stores. I ain't hastening the wind of their death - I'm moving their day forward. Do what you want or not want. But when you give to the major charities, be aware that you're donating to a lot of executives. I don't care if Val spends my measly $50 on crack. That's how old I am. Can't find real crack anymore or the ingredients to cook it. Godspeed VH. Pain is real and then it ENDS.

[quote]r422 By the way, is there any proof yet that this Go Fund Me account is actually connected to Valerie?

That bitch Teri Hatcher is behind it, grifting away...

They should have a special Tijuana whorehouse for dying celebs. They'd get food and a bed in exchange for a few hours work every day.

It could be a hot tourist stop. You could just take selfies with them naked if you didn't want to go all the way.

Or a reality show, Dying with the Stars, where we can all eat popcorn while watching them gradually or sharply decline every week.

[italic]Dying with the Stars ! ![/italic]

OMG!

Lucie wanted to donate more than $100 but Larry talked her out of it.

I keep waiting for someone to donate as Helen Lawson.

Did Valerie do Dancing With The Stars ?

[quote]This needed be so complicated.

Oh, dear!

[quote]I was friends with a famous B movie actor who those stupid celebrity worth websites claim has $10 million but he almost got foreclosed on too, only keeping his home by getting involved with some shady people who bought it from him and let him stay there though he has to pay it back at a certain time which he never will because he simply doesn't make enough money from his many low budget movies where he typically only works for a day or two in order to give the filmmakers a "name" to get the movie into obscure festivals or on Amazon Prime thus will one day end up with both legs broken or worse.

Holy fucking run on sentence! And not even a comma to be found!

[quote]Did Valerie do Dancing With The Stars ?

Yes.

The real issue is Valerie is getting, treatment which is, cutting edge, AKA, experimental.

This means insurance is not going to pay, unless the treatment is proven.

And from that point it makes sense. It like in the old AIDS days when people would try thinks like, blood heating to get rid of the virus.

If you want non standard treatment you pay for it.

This is where the debate lies, not on getting help, bit getting specialized help.

Didn’t Nancy Walker leave her the motherload? Or did more homely Bren get it out of pity??

[Quote] Holy fucking run on sentence! And not even a comma to be found!

[Quote] too,

What about Jason Bateman? He definitely has some $$$ to give. Valerie's sitcom was his big break.

Bless you, r444. I probably didn’t see it from being so out of breath reading that thing without a pause.

This isn't for "cutting edge treatment," this is for 24/7 home heath aides - you know, the kind that watches the client, bathes them, medicates them, feeds, them, puts them on the toilet. Valerie is on the way out and her family cannot handle it. Home health aides cost $20-30 an HOUR.

She's only got a few weeks left.

[quote]What about Jason Bateman? He definitely has some $$$ to give. Valerie's sitcom was his big break.

IIRC, Valerie Harper didn't stay on good terms with anyone from that show. On a related note, I wonder if Jason financially helps out his sister Justine. She sort of helped his career get started.

^ Is she, too, in hospice care?

Justin broke his sis into the biz actually.

Justine is writing and directing a movie starring Luke Bracey, Olivia Munn and Justin Theroux. It sounds awful.

Anyone know if Valerie has siblings, nephews, nieces, cousins, etc.?

From Wikipedia:

[quote]Harper was born in Suffern, New York, the daughter of Iva Mildred (née McConnell; February 8, 1910—Oct 7, 1988)[3] and Howard Donald Harper (January 10, 1907- September, 1981). Her father was a lighting salesman, and her mother was born in Canada and trained as a nurse. She is the middle child of three siblings. She has an older sister, Leah; a younger brother, Merrill (who later took the name "Don") and a half-sister, Virginia, from her father's second marriage

[quote] Yes, so everyone could know that you're a sad loser and an unhappy troll. Who has never given a donation to any organization or cause, ever.

You're clearly not an MTM fan if you didn't understand the joke.

I won cookie!

I wonder if her funeral will be anything like Chuckles the Clown's?

They tried to recapture that chuckles the clown shit in MTM anniversary episodes and recollection specials. It was NEVER funny!

Yes, R458, the Chuckles the Clown death episode was a one joke disaster. The ONLY reason it is remembered as "one of the best" is because it's a male show - no Phyllis, no Sue Ann, no Rhoda - they had all (almost) left, and now the boys could dictate which episodes were best.

^^ Bullshit! Sue Ann, Georgette and Mary all had good lines in the episode. It is one of Mary's best performances on the sitcom.

[quote]I don't know or even like Valerie Harper's work that much. Is she anything other than Rhoda?

Valerie started on Broadway in the cast of "L'il Abner" when she was nineteen and can also be seen in the film version. Whether on Broadway, television, or film, Valerie Harper has worked pretty consistently for sixty years.

Most people STILL know and love her as Rhoda Morgenstern, a character she began playing in 1970, practically fifty years ago! She's had an enviable career.

Did Lee "Fay" Grant contribute anything? See says yes to everything - no? Or is she still processing her years on the blacklist?

Lee Grant died in 2013.

Lee Grant will be very surprised to learn that she's deceased.

The GFMP is nearing $62K.

Should Valerie die within the next two weeks, what's to stop Tony from using the money for whatever he wants?

She certainly won't be able to register that emotion in her face.

The money raised so far R465 won't even cover two weeks of care.

Uh-oh. Barneys is circling the drain, too.

Another Go Fund Me page in the offing?

Did Rhoda ever do Barney's windows?

Barney's should do a "Windows by Rhoda" display in honor of Valerie! It would be great publicity!

Who doesn't love a good tie-in between a beloved dying celebrity and a dying department store?

Short of cash at the moment - - but I could send an old dildo (or two) to help ease her final days (?)

Valerie had a decent movie career in the 70's, earning Golden Globe nominations for Freebie and the Bean and Chapter two.

She must have remained on good terms with some of the Hogan Family cast members. She cast the one kid's sister on her sitcom The City.

[quote]r473 Valerie had a decent movie career in the 70s

[italic]NIGHT TERROR (Made-for-TV) A housewife is stalked by a psychopathic killer after she sees him shoot down a highway patrolman.

R473, Val also co-starred in the last movie Natalie Wood lived to complete, "The Last Married Couple in America".

Has Robert Wagner donated to Val? Or he is broke from paying off people to keep quiet about what really happened the night Natalie died?

Valerie is amazing.

She has deified the odds for such a long time! It seems like forever.

Whaddawoman!

Don't Go to Sleep is merely fabulous.

I loved Val in Chapter Two and Last Married Couple. She deserved a bigger movie career.

This TV movie was bad-good, and features DL Fave Brenda Vaccaro, as well as Harper & Gould.

[quote]they were giving birth to a conjoined twin

Just the one, Dear?

Poor Valerie had to act with that dead beat asshole lump of a no-talent, Elliott Gould :( I didn't know that.

r482=Barbra Brolin

I loved when the MTM ladies did an episode of "Hot in Cleveland" in 2013.

Is she dead yet?

I'm fuckin' sick of this topic.

#GoVal

What about all those kids who sang "La la la la la..." in the second year?

I hope they are giving.

The go fund me is only at 65K after 10 days. That is peanuts in terms of medical costs. Why are her fans being so stingy?

R494, I would have liked that show much better had they played their original MTM characters. It was ghoulish in that everyone could see and tell that Mary was blind.

Val's GFMP is no longer accepting donations. Her husband posted a message stating that two unnamed "angels" have come forward to provide Val with all future needs.

So, who are they? Oprah and Rosie?

I'll donate to her care when she's dead. Once burned...

Her husband left a bit of a blind item (I guess only fun/useful if the people he mentions are famous). I wonder if said ANGELS will refund the donations? A lot of the donations were small, and those are usually from people who need that money the most.

"There are two special ANGELS on this planet masquerading as humans who live and work together, that have made it possible to have all of Val’s needs taken care of."

NPH & What's-His-Name?????

Elton & David????

Jaclyn Smith and Cheryl Ladd?

Rosie

Glad they had someone help them so generously.

Two loaded people who live AND work together.

Also angels may be a clue or just in caps for emphasis.

Nate and Jeremiah

Nate and Jeremiah

Bill and Hillary

Any chance I could get my $100 back?

Bill and Melinda Gates

Bill and Melinda Gates

What about my ten bucks?

Mark Burnett and Roma Downey - ANGELS

I'm gonna go with it. I just googled Valerie Harper and Roma Downey and they were at least friends.

That's a great guess r505!

Why in the world would Elton John care about Valerie Harper, r493? He's British.

Rhoda crossed all racial, age, class, and geographic barriers.

It's going to happen tonight or tomorrow.

I think R505's guess is the best one.

Betty White is going to outlive everyone.

R511 No, she wont. I will.

Or Cloris Leachman R511.

Shelley Hack and Tanya Roberts?

Fuck Cloris Leachman.

Oh, wait. Maybe I have.

I think it was Oprah and Gayle.

Sandy Duncan and Don Correia?

Ellen and Portia?

Val no longer needs your non help. I'm glad to hear it. Rosie is a generous woman but lord jesus she hasn't had a good paying job in 15 years and she's got 5 kids, 1 grandbaby, many therapists and 4 ex wives to support. She was close to being a mogul but she gave away money like she was.

Oprah and Ellen are billionaires, more or less.

Sandry Bullock. Some ancient gays? People love Rhoda? It's only a couple hundred thousand to someone. I'm not being flip. It's so much better this way. GoFundMe's are humiliating except in times of tragedy for people who never had much to begin with. Any kind of benefactor is a good one. Though a standard universal healthcare system like most other civilizations have would probably have prevented a need to beg. Other countries support and pay for people to die at home or hospice care. It's cheaper and more humane. Some paperwork and organization of care is involved. The socialized systems that amuricans fear work quite beautifully for so many people.

Go ON old Rhoda! Someone financially comfortable cares about you. Pass in peace. But really leave this time, alright.

...seriously, though, could I get my $100 back...

Dammit Lucie! I tried and tried to talk you out of giving that c-note but would you listen? NO!

Some shit about just because my name starts with an "L" and not a "G"... well I hope this will teach you a lesson!

Lucie really needs that hundred bucks back. The I Love Lucy royalties ain't what they used to be.

Why don't you come on over, Valerie.

Stop making a fool out of me. Valerie. I loved you for a hundred.

Valerie just booked Love Island.

[quote]Though a standard universal healthcare system like most other civilizations have would probably have prevented a need to beg. Other countries support and pay for people to die at home or hospice care. It's cheaper and more humane

You are not understanding this. Valerie Harper is not getting standard approved healthcare. She is using experimental treatments. NO INSURANCE ANYWHERE covers this. Not even in Europe would it be covered.

If Valerie was using standard approved healthcare she'd be covered.

At this point R526 it looks more like end of life.

Why is it Jason Bateman helping her? He's loaded. Weren't they on a show together.

Why is it Jason Bateman helping her? He's loaded. Weren't they on a show together.

MTM and Valerie both die at 80.

As old as the MTM Show is, it's surprising so many cast members are still alive! It premiered 50 years ago next year, and so far has only lost two major cast members. And none of them were kids when the show began!

It actually is pretty amazing when you think about it like that, r531.

They should do a reboot!

It is amazing. Betty White, Ed Asner and Cloris Leachman were already middle-aged when the show began. And they're still kicking 50 years later.

Mary Saves!

It could be Rosie. She frequently and nonchalantly humblebrags that she's rich. If she has money managers who invested her money well, she probably still has a pile of cash in the bank.

She was raised by her TV set, and the characters on it were her friends. She was a teen in the 70s, and Rhoda was a character with dark hair who sounded like Rosie and always wanted to lose weight. I think it was the View (during her first stint) when Rosie talked about having taking acting classes when she was younger. The instructor would always get on to her to tone down her accent and would tell her, "We're not casting the role of Rhoda Morganstern."

It said two people that live and work together so that eliminates Rosie R536.

[quote] so far has only lost two major cast members.

What am I -- chopped liver?

Until Rose Marie and Ann Morgan Guilbert passed away recently, there were still a lot of Dick Van Dyke Show alumni alive, including Dick himself and Carl Reiner.

".She frequently and nonchalantly humblebrags that she's rich. If she has money managers who invested her money well, she probably still has a pile of cash in the bank."

That's an oxymoron, R536. If Rosie's heavily invested, which she should be, her "cash pile" is in stocks and bonds. The story you relate about her being called Rhoda is an oft told story from her HS years, not acting class.

If it was Rosie, she wouldn’t shut up about it. We’d know.

Whoops...sorry, Georgette! My bad.

I could see Rosie donating as a joint thing with her wife of the month. Thought the money would really be Rosie's, of course.

*Though

Rosie O reunites Rhoda and Mary......again.

What's wrong with the links?

It was Marla Gibbs and Jackee.

Lenny and Squiggy?

Pat and Vanna?

Len Goodman and Bruno Tonioli?

World, this is your last chance!

Any chance that ‘Rhoda’ and ‘Valerie’ will pop up next year in the ‘Popular New Girl Baby Names’ lists?

Would be a sweet legacy.

Rosie has said that when she auditioned for a role in a college play or theatre calss, the director/professor said "The part of Rhoda Morganstern has already been cast." I think besides her love for TV, this bonded her with Valerie. My bet is on Rosie.

I think people are reading a little too far into Tony's statement about angles who live together.

Tommy and Gio?

Zander and Troy?

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Myrna Morgenstein?

Salé and Pelletier. Where do I begin...

Miller and Boyett?

The Captain and Tennille!

The Captain's dead R558

Right, r559! It looks like Tony may be free soon! I like the sound of Tony and Toni

New articles have come out detailing Valerie's condition. One really upset me. It was an interview with her daughter, who hasn't seen her since February.

At least she's avoiding going out in the humiliating blaze of ass cancer, like Farrah.

Yes. It's terrible. And it's August and her daughter hasn't seen her dying mother since February.

So what's the story THERE?

R563, She's adopted.

Really R563. I would be by my mom's bedside. As a matter of fact I was after she had a stroke.

Maybe Valerie doesn't want anyone by her bedside.

A lot of people don't like to be bothered when they're sick.

I would have been Krazy Glued to her bedside despite her wishes.

The daughter was adopted at age 5. It's interesting that a celeb back in the 80s didn't adopt an infant or a toddler like most celebs did back then and still do today.

R566, the answer is TONY TONY TONY

[quote]I would have been Krazy Glued to her bedside despite her wishes.

Because that’s exactly what dying people want, deserve, and need, their last wishes ignored.

It’s not always all about you.

Both Patti and Ron stopped visiting President Reagan for quite a while when he no longer knew who they were. They only resumed their visits near the end.

R570, I was writing as how I would have imagined benevolently yet pushy Ida Morgenstern would have reacted . Please reread my post.

Thank you.

Sad.😥

R571, Patty and Ron Reagan disliked their father.

Short, but great article about Valerie Harper.

She is good people.

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Did her step daughter help her with all the American Dad money?

Still hangin' in there, Val?

Happy 80th birthday Valerie!

It's sure been a long drawn-out process, her dying. Can't they speed things up a little?

She’s still alive??

Not any more.

Beloved sitcom star Valerie Harper has died after a long battle with brain cancer, according to multiple reports on Friday. She was 80.

Best known for her role as Rhoda Morgenstern on “The Mary Tyler Moore Show” and its spinoff “Rhoda” in the 1970s, Harper was diagnosed with leptomeningeal carcinomatosis, a rare and incurable form of brain cancer, in January 2013.

We’ll need a “part 2”.

Valerie has died, per the Hollywood Reporter.

She doesn't need our help any longer.

Somebody’s got to carry that casket, R587!

Who do I contact for a refund? I donated $100 and now she’s dead.

Can I have her scarves?

"Valerie has died, per the Hollywood Reporter."

Thank you, R586. I soooooo much prefer the stark truth over "she 'passed away' on little wings."

R589, Lucie, is that you?

She doesn't anymore.

Was that really necessary, R593?

Yes, R594, it was quite useful.

I looked at the thread title and wasn't sure whether she was dead yet or not. I went to the end of the thread to find out.

Many thanks, R593.

Was she buried in Minneapolis where it's cold and she'll keep better?

Now that she's dead half the fun of this site is gone. Still we don't really know WHAT killed her do we? I never saw no death certificate. For all we know she could've got run over by a bus.

Hmm. Maybe the mystery will keep this thread alive.

Is Val Harper still alive? I thought she was dead?

I heard the Rona got er.