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'Do not tweet': Pelosi scolds progressives in closed-door meeting

Speaker Nancy Pelosi chided progressives in a closed-door meeting Wednesday, calling on them to address their intraparty grievances privately rather than blasting their centrist colleagues on Twitter.

Pelosi’s comments, which were described as stern, came during the first full caucus meeting since a major blowup over emergency border funding last month between progressive and moderate lawmakers as well as a recent spat with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and her freshman allies.

"So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it," Pelosi told Democrats, according to a source in the room. "But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just OK."

Democrats in the room said they interpreted that remark, in part, as a shot at Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin and co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, who called moderate Democrats members of the “Child Abuse Caucus” in a tweet over their support for the Senate’s version of the emergency humanitarian package.

But a Pelosi spokesman said the speaker’s comments were about the use of Twitter in general and not targeted at any individual member.

Pocan, who was not in the meeting, said Pelosi personally phoned him later Wednesday afternoon to apologize that it had been seen that way.

“She didn’t even know about my tweet, and she wasn’t referring to it,” Pocan said. "She’s not a shy individual. If she wants to tell you something, she’ll tell you. She actually called to say just the opposite."

Speaking behind closed-doors Wednesday morning, Pelosi also gave an emphatic defense of the moderates in the caucus, according to multiple sources, telling the room that they’re critical to holding the House majority. Pelosi told Democrats not to make the Blue Dog Coalition their targets, but criticize her publicly if they need to go after someone.

“I’m here to help the children when it’s easy and when it’s hard. Some of you are here to make a beautiful pâté but we’re making sausage most of the time,” Pelosi told the caucus.

The California Democrat added that when her members target her, it helps fundraising, eliciting a big laugh inside the room.

“We are a family, and every family has its moments,” the speaker said.

Pelosi also indirectly criticized Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, according to Democrats in the room, as she told members to tell their staffers to “think twice” before they tweet.

Saikat Chakrabarti, Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, went after Pelosi in a series of tweets over the weekend, criticizing everything from her comments on the squad to her stance against impeachment. Chakrabarti also tweeted scathing criticism of the Blue Dogs, calling them the "New Southern Democrats."

"They certainly seem hell bent to do black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s," Chakrabarti wrote on Twitter before deleting the post.

Her remarks also come after Pelosi dismissed Ocasio-Cortez and the other members of the progressive “squad” in an interview with The New York Times over the weekend.

Pelosi questioned the group's actual influence, given that its members were the only four Democrats who opposed the House’s original humanitarian package. Ocasio-Cortez and the other progressives — Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts — quickly fired back, criticizing Pelosi’s remarks in a series of tweets.

Ocasio-Cortez didn’t address Pelosi’s speech as she left the caucus meeting, instead talking about the annual defense authorization bill that will be on the House floor this week.

But Omar defended her allies, saying she and other Democrats can vote however they want.

“I hope that leadership understands their role and understands what our role is,” Omar said.

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Some of the moderates who felt targeted by Pocan’s tweet also spoke up in the caucus meeting, including Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia, who belongs to the Problem Solvers Caucus that Pocan derided as child abusers.

As a former federal law enforcement agent who focused on child trafficking, Spanberger said she was horrified that a fellow Democrat would compare members of his own party to child abusers, according to multiple people in the room.

Speaking to reporters later Wednesday, Pocan did not back away from his criticism of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, which had taken credit for helping scrap the House’s more liberal version of a humanitarian border package last month.

“I know there are some people in the Problem Solvers Caucus that feel a little stung, because they got yelled at last weekend by constituents,” Pocan said, referring to recent town hall meetings held by moderates in their districts. “I understand why they’re upset, but they should be upset, because they got in trouble last week.”

Pelosi’s speech is part of an effort by Democratic leaders to knit the party back together after the bitter border funding fight last month.

Shortly before the July Fourth recess, moderate Democrats moved to block further consideration of the House border bill — which had additional protections for migrant children — after it became clear the GOP-controlled Senate would not take it up.

Pelosi bowed to centrists and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), agreeing to put the Senate bill on the floor and leaving progressives fuming.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) also delivered a forceful speech on Wednesday preaching unity within the caucus and urging members to speak directly with each other rather than publicly — a sentiment that some lawmakers privately mused could also have been directed at Pelosi after her critique of the caucus' freshman firebrands.

"If we have problems with each other, we ought to address each other," Rep. John Yarmuth (D-Ky.) said of Hoyer's message.

After Pelosi and Hoyer's remarks, another moderate, Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), spoke up to complain that lawmakers shouldn't attack each other unless they're paying party dues.

"If somebody has a problem, pay your dues before you start attacking other Democrats," according to a source in the room.

Some progressive members had privately discussed not paying dues to the caucus' fundraising arm earlier this year after officials announced contentious new policies that made it tougher for primary challengers to attract talented consultants.

"One big happy family," said Rep. Max Rose of New York as he left the meeting.

"We cannot allow this to devolve into a reality TV show," added Rose, who confronted Pocan on the floor last month. "This is not high school."

by Anonymousreply 1July 11, 2019 12:36 AM

Ouch, she's pissed!

[quote] “I’m here to help the children when it’s easy and when it’s hard. Some of you are here to make a beautiful pâté but we’re making sausage most of the time,” Pelosi told the caucus.

Rrrreowr! That one was aimed at you, AOC!

by Anonymousreply 2July 11, 2019 12:39 AM

Nancy is right. AoC needs to understand that it was moderates who won back the house and not progressives.

by Anonymousreply 3July 11, 2019 12:39 AM

I'm da boss. How bout dat !

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by Anonymousreply 4July 11, 2019 12:41 AM

[quote] "So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it," Pelosi told Democrats

Yes, Godfather.

by Anonymousreply 5July 11, 2019 12:43 AM

Pelosi just standing around wagging her finger at Trump is going to get him re-elected. We put her back in power for a reason. Oh and his numbers have never been higher. Do your job Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 6July 11, 2019 12:45 AM

[quote]Pelosi also indirectly criticized Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, according to Democrats in the room, as she told members to tell their staffers to “think twice” before they tweet.

Maybe also think twice before you go out to do a lunch interview with Maureen Dowd? Just a suggestion.

by Anonymousreply 7July 11, 2019 12:47 AM

AOC isn't going to get people like Conor Lamb reelected, r7. And it's people like Conor Lamb, and not AOC, who flipped districts.

by Anonymousreply 8July 11, 2019 12:51 AM

Good point, R8.

AOC's district will probably vote Democratic for President, and it's in a solidly blue state (NY).

We need people like Conor Lamb (PA) and Tim Ryan (OH) out there representing our party, to be able to win Pennsylvania and Ohio in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 9July 11, 2019 12:57 AM

Nancy is going to lose this fight, unless she can find a way to kick the four to the curb until there's blood coming out of their whatever. They don't believe in respect or rules and are not going to listen to an old white woman.

by Anonymousreply 10July 11, 2019 12:58 AM

[quote]Good point, [R8].

It happens occasionally, r9.

by Anonymousreply 11July 11, 2019 1:01 AM

Many of the Trump voters I've talked to said they'd have voted for either Bernie Sanders or Trump. They just wanted to completely change the system and hated Hillary. Those are the voters deciding elections in swing states. They don't give a shit about moderates like Nancy Pelosi. As long as progressive candidates can raise their own campaign funds and mobilize voters, they can ignore Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 12July 11, 2019 1:11 AM

[quote] I’m here to help the children

I suspect that Nancy intended a bit of double entendre with this statement. Tee hee.

by Anonymousreply 13July 11, 2019 1:16 AM

Nah, fuck this Pelosi bitch, a zero accomplishments slut.

by Anonymousreply 14July 11, 2019 1:24 AM

Pelosi started her legislative career by beating the gay man who was supposed to replace the late Harvey Milk. She owes her career to homophobia. But of course she's worshiped here because Dataloungers are not capable of critical thought when it comes to the Democratic party - they do AND FEEL as they're told by the centrist propaganda machine.

by Anonymousreply 15July 11, 2019 1:27 AM

Pelosi has an excellent record on gay rights--early housing initiative for AIDS victims, for example. And she's a liberal, not a moderate, which is easy to see if you look at her voting record.

And she'll handle her little quad of lefties just fine. Pelosi's very good at managing her caucus, which is why she was able to push through the ACA and has been re-elected Speaker so many times.

People who think Pelosi doesn't have the upper hand don't understand politics.

Harvey Milk wasn't in Congress, he was on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. Pelosi was picked to replace Sala Burton by Sela Burton. Neither she nor Harry Britt had some sort of automatic claim on the seat. Given Pelosi's success in Congress, it's hard to argue that Britt was the better choice. He couldn't even win an assembly race.

by Anonymousreply 16July 11, 2019 2:51 AM

Fuck Pelosi...useless old hag. Only concerned with keeping her seat warm. It’s partly her fault that the Democrats are so divided.

by Anonymousreply 17July 11, 2019 3:02 AM

To be fair, the freshman congresspeople are only beholden to their constituents, and not to Pelosi.

So truly, they can do whatever they think is right by their own districts.

by Anonymousreply 18July 11, 2019 3:59 AM

The only people who give a fuck what AOC thinks voted for Bernie or Jill Stein or Trump. The only person standing between Gorsuch and Kavannaugh on the Supreme Court was HILLARY FUCKING CLINTON. GET IT????? You're fucking socialist bullshit won't fucking sell. Take your purist bullshit and FUCK OFF

by Anonymousreply 19July 11, 2019 4:10 AM

FUCK HER

What is she afraid of?

The truth?

DUMP THIS BITCH SO WE CAN LOCK TRUMP UP ALREADY

by Anonymousreply 20July 11, 2019 4:43 AM

Love the number of supporters for AOC and the other privileged ninnys, who know nothing, yet spout idiocies as if they actually knew what they were talking about. But, that's the new generation - no patience, just " ME. Listen to ME. I'm the only one who knows what's right, because I'm young." Interesting to hear the reaction of all of the mini-socialists on DL when the socialists take over and Trump sweeps to victory again, because the AOC shit might play well in NYC or SF, but ( sorry) you just don't count in this election. The undisciplined fools are going to take the Dems down to another unnecessary defeat.

by Anonymousreply 21July 11, 2019 4:50 AM

When's the last time anything leaked out of the Republican caucus? Rarely if ever! I don't like the leaks designed to undermine Pelosi. I don't like AOC calling her out in public. I didn't like Nancy calling the Gang of Four out in public.

AOC did take it too hard though. As I recall the interview, when she was asked, Pelosi said that the four of them had no support beyond their own four votes for the position they had taken on the vote for the immigration detention facilities funding.

It is one thing to stand up and rail against something, but if you can't get your fellows to stand up and vote with you, you end up just being a Bernie. Bernie who served in Congress for 30 years and couldn't get anything done because he never learned how to play nice with the other kids.

I like Ayanna Pressley, and Congresswoman Tlaib, and Congresswoman Omar. And I'm glad Nancy gets a little push from time to time. But Nancy is a Pro. She counts votes. Very practical woman. And she knows how to dole out favors and perks and do horsetrading to get her count.

She is patient, and she has a great staff who do their home work. She doesn't have enough votes in the House for Impeachment. In fact, if the Judiciary committee initiated impeachment hearings, there is a good possibility that when it is time for the whole House to vote on the articles of impeachment, the House vote would fail.

We have been talking about McConnell blocking a trial in the Senate. But we are assuming the House will vote to impeach. And that is not necessarily the case right now. Nancy knows this. Does anyone think for a minute if she had the votes, she would block Impeachment hearings? No. She would not.

People do not appreciate how capable she is. She knows how to fucking count. And AOC got pissed because Nancy said AOC had no support for her position on a vote. AOC needs to learn. She is effective in some important ways, she is very smart, but she needs to learn a few things.

by Anonymousreply 22July 11, 2019 5:10 AM

Fuck Pelosi. She's been in Congress since Reagan. The Democratic Party is Progressive and the young ones know how to beat back Republican bullshit. She can take Schumer, Schiff, and the old geezers with her.

by Anonymousreply 23July 11, 2019 5:16 AM

Omar's people in Minnesota.

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by Anonymousreply 24July 11, 2019 5:18 AM

Pelosi won't impeach Trump because she thinks Biden will be the nominee and beat him. Biden won't be the nominee. He looks embalmed already.

by Anonymousreply 25July 11, 2019 5:19 AM

R25, you have no idea what you are talking about. The impeachment is on a timetable. Pull the trigger on it now and he's found not guilty by the Senate by December and then gets an entire year to crow about his innocence leading right into the election. This has to be timed right. There's a reason you see the trickle of a few Democrats every week starting to "come over" to the impeachment side. It's all planned.

AOC needs to stop attacking other Democrats and use her big fat mouth and thumbs to attack the Repugs. Once we have the power back, she can start going after her very particular agenda. Until then, all her attacks and mouthing off prove is that she is a political neophyte.

by Anonymousreply 26July 11, 2019 5:36 AM

Dump Pelosi so we can have AOC. R4 She da boss!

by Anonymousreply 27July 11, 2019 5:55 AM

Pelosi needs to retire. Other than making kissy faces for human rights she is a conservative who protects Republicans at every turn.

by Anonymousreply 28July 11, 2019 7:54 AM

A cautionary tale recently played out in the race for the leadership of the California Democratic Party - the more moderate Dem, Rusty Hicks, soundly beat Kimberly Ellis, the Bernie-approved candidate. Despite the noise made about Bernie acolytes 'taking over' the leadership of the California Democratic Party, the truth of the matter is that even here in the most liberal state in the country, the voters are more moderate than the AOC types and they don't want them in charge. That's why Dianne Feinstein handily beat Kevin De Leon, why Pelosi keeps winning her district. AOC could get elected for certain positions in SF, but she'd get her ass kicked in most other parts of the state. Bernie lost here. The idea that the base of the party is screaming to be set free of their liberal chains by the uber-progressives is simply not the truth. Even out here in CA, polling shows that many Democratic voters feel that the Berniebots trying to control things are out of step with the voters' wishes. If that's what's going on in California of all places, then Pelosi is quite correct in her approach to the pie in the sky types who think that their daydreams will become reality through sheer Twitter presence. They don't understand how to play the game.

by Anonymousreply 29July 11, 2019 8:20 AM

R23, You don't know what you're talking about. 56 percent of Democrats identify as moderate. 9 percent identify as conservative. Only 15 percent of Democrats identify as "strong liberal".

In other words, the handful of lefties and preponderance of moderate Democrats in Congress pretty much represents the reality of the electorate.

And, in case, you think there's some hidden bloc of progressive voters who just aren't bothering to show up at the polls--the overall percentage of "strong liberal" for the electorate as a whole is 7 percent.

R29 Not only did Bernie lose in California, he lost all nine Bay Area counties, closest he got was Santa Cruz.

by Anonymousreply 30July 11, 2019 8:26 AM

It makes sense R29, because most Americans are moderates.

They're neither far left, nor far right.

I think that your average American has a common sense approach to politics and policy, but the far extremes always seem to hijack the conversations, because they have the biggest mouths.

The reason that our elections are always so close, is because the "silent majority" of the US is very centrist, and the tilt left or tilt right, happens in cycles.

by Anonymousreply 31July 11, 2019 8:26 AM

She's right. All this petty bitching makes us look disorganized and fractured. We need a united front to beat the treasonous GOP scum, and we need the moderates, too, I don't care how much some liberals hate that fact.

Get rid of Trump first THEN start working on moving left.

by Anonymousreply 32July 11, 2019 8:32 AM

People like r20 are fucking idiots.

The Dems would be in complete disarray if we dumped even one party leader, let alone both Pelosi and Schumer. The GOP would attack with the help of the media, and there is literally no one in the DNC with the clout and experience to take up the mantle of leadership without a lengthy learning curve.

The end result would be at least a year before they'd be organized enough to start impeachment proceedings and by then we're almost at Election Day anyway.

It's a stupid idea and you're being a complete dunce for suggesting it. Stop throwing temper tantrums and start thinking logically.

by Anonymousreply 33July 11, 2019 8:40 AM

[quote]She doesn't have enough votes in the House for Impeachment. In fact, if the Judiciary committee initiated impeachment hearings, there is a good possibility that when it is time for the whole House to vote on the articles of impeachment, the House vote would fail.

Absolutely. You ask people on social media why they think the House is a done deal and they say it's because it's a Dem House, but they forget that many of those Dems are from districts where the citizens aren't pro impeachment. Those Dem Reps would be likely to vote against impeachment to secure their seats in the next election.

Pelosi has told us we don't have the votes. The people who keep insisting that doesn't matter are fools, and probably often arguing in bad faith.

by Anonymousreply 34July 11, 2019 8:48 AM

Nancy needs to make sure those 4 bitches get the worst committee assignments available until they learn to tow the line.

by Anonymousreply 35July 11, 2019 9:02 AM

I feel we need to hold off impeachment for just a wee bit longer. We must get full financial disclosure from Deutsche Bank and we need to get Meuller's testimony in front of the public first. I feel we're almost there. No sense in holding off this long only to jump the gun at the last minute.

by Anonymousreply 36July 11, 2019 9:27 AM

"But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just OK."

Right on, Nancy!!

by Anonymousreply 37July 11, 2019 9:44 AM

The moment Trump is gone and the Dem representative is POTUS this "impeachment is off the table" bitch got to go. She is now on record for letting two criminal Republican Presidents off the hook and letting them get away with their crimes and encourage conservative copycats to get even bolder, more evil and more unhinged. Pelosi is as part of the conservative problem since she refuses to take action herself and expects the voters to do it for her.

by Anonymousreply 38July 11, 2019 9:53 AM

She hasn't said impeachment is off the table for Trump, you moron. She's said the exact opposite.

A lot of Pelosi haters are obviously trolls wanting to divide the Dems.

by Anonymousreply 39July 11, 2019 10:18 AM

She hasn't said impeachment is off the table for Trump, you moron. She's said the exact opposite.

A lot of Pelosi haters are obviously trolls wanting to divide the Dems.

by Anonymousreply 40July 11, 2019 10:18 AM

Vote For The Democrats, And They Will.. Apparently the answer in 2018 was "nothing."

by Anonymousreply 41July 11, 2019 10:41 AM

Sorry but I am not impressed with Pelosi. She is basically the bottom bitch for Republicans. She is going to be the reason Dump will get a second term. I appreciate the "moderates" in California but those fools gave us Ronald Reagan and the reverberation of his policies and illegal shenanigans are still being felt 35 years later.

by Anonymousreply 42July 11, 2019 11:00 AM

Well, she probably wouldn't be impressed with you either.

You IMPEACH NOW people need to learn more about how politics works. But I fear most of you don't have the intelligence to comprehend it.

by Anonymousreply 43July 11, 2019 11:03 AM

[quote]I appreciate the "moderates" in California but those fools gave us Ronald Reagan and the reverberation of his policies and illegal shenanigans are still being felt 35 years later.

That was nearly 40 years ago. The population of California has risen, the urban centers have grown, the demographics have shifted, and the electorate has changed. It's ridiculous to bring up Reagan now in terms of the current political climate in CA.

by Anonymousreply 44July 11, 2019 11:18 AM

This just proves that Pelosi does not understand social media. This is like Bush being fascinated by a bar code scanner. It just makes her seem old and out of touch... and like an powerless schoolmarm. The rules for social media were made by the 20-30 somethings. She does not get to make the rules regarding how social media is used.

by Anonymousreply 45July 11, 2019 11:28 AM

[quote]You IMPEACH NOW people need to learn more about how politics works.

It's really this simple. As I said above, too many of the lofty progressives are fucking clueless as to how the game is played, and that includes the Squad. They showed their ignorance back in 2016 and it's not getting any better. They seem to think it's enough to ruminate in their own smug purity, but much like their patron saint, Bernie, that leads to getting absolutely NOTHING done. Politics is compromise. All the idiots who think Pelosi should be replaced right now - just watch and see what would happen if they swapped her out for someone like AOC or Ilhan Omar. The caucus would fall the fuck apart damn quickly. She and her ilk do not have what it takes to hold these very disparate people together. Pelosi's skill and experience and ferocity is what's held it together this long. She's not perfect, but until these young progressives show a tenth of her ability, they need to shut up and learn.

by Anonymousreply 46July 11, 2019 11:30 AM

Just four you say. It has taken just this few to change the national discourse whether it's climate change or top taxation brackets. It's time Pelosi is put out to pasture.

by Anonymousreply 47July 11, 2019 11:38 AM

[quote] The rules for social media were made by the 20-30 somethings. She does not get to make the rules regarding how social media is used.

She's not making rules about how social media is used. She's making a rule to prevent House Dems from slamming each other in public. Twitter just happens to be the format they use to do so, but that's beside the point.

by Anonymousreply 48July 11, 2019 11:50 AM

[quote] Just four you say. It has taken just this few to change the national discourse whether it's climate change or top taxation brackets.

Those four are hardly the only Democrats talking about climate change or the tax structure. Both issues were part of the national discourse before the Gang of Four even ran for office.

by Anonymousreply 49July 11, 2019 11:51 AM

Public debate is good. Too much behind closed doors is not good for democracy but only empowers a power party caucus. It may be fine for the GOP.

Doesn't Pelosi have a social media office?

by Anonymousreply 50July 11, 2019 11:56 AM

R48, but publicly shaming Pelosi is the best way to get things done. And, Pelosi does the same thing. She just uses Maureen Dowd rather than Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 51July 11, 2019 12:02 PM

All these super left wing fucks are ruining it and they're just going to hand the election to trump. I have no time for AOC or I'm sorry, "that muslim lady". They're 2 divisive cunts. They are the best thing to happen to the republicans. They're tearing apart the democrats

The democrats have always been like this (disloyal), but not to this degree. You could ALWAYS count on some of them to side with republicans in important votes. They aren't loyal. That's why they never get shit done. Plus the fact they can't get a simple cogent message across to anyone. The repugs are scum, but damn THEY ALL STICK TOGETHER and they sure as fuck can get their point across

The dems are so fucking embarrassing. They try to get a message across, but they let the media and the repugs tear it apart.Like the simple fucking fact that most republicans are voting against themselves. The tax laws are written expressly for and sometimes by the 1%. If they could get the message across that tax cuts for the rich don't work, they'd win all the elections. Instead they're going to go on about bathrooms, reparations, free college and all kinds of stuff that just turns away voters on the other side. And that matters because they are a lazy fucking bunch when it comes to actually going out and voting.

by Anonymousreply 52July 11, 2019 12:19 PM

[quote]A lot of Pelosi haters are obviously trolls wanting to divide the Dems.

Offering an opinion is called democracy. Remaining silent is called fascism.

by Anonymousreply 53July 11, 2019 12:19 PM

Why don’t AOC and the progressives form their own party, where they can tweet and stump to their hearts’ content and write their own legislation and refuse to work with anyone who doesn’t agree with their charter ideals?

Oh, right.

by Anonymousreply 54July 11, 2019 12:28 PM

*Applauds r46.*

by Anonymousreply 55July 11, 2019 12:29 PM

[quote] [R48], but publicly shaming Pelosi is the best way to get things done.

WTF do you imagine is going to get done by shaming Pelosi?

by Anonymousreply 56July 11, 2019 12:31 PM

If my employees were using social media to trash one another, me or my business, I'd definitely call a staff meeting, R45. At the least.

It's an immature and embarrassing way to act like you're trying to solve intra-office issues, unless you're just filling your bottomless need for attention whoring and quota for likes and re-tweets, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 57July 11, 2019 12:34 PM

The tweeting keeps the pressure on Pelosi. Everyday more and more people call for impeachment.

by Anonymousreply 58July 11, 2019 12:37 PM

R31 how can you cay "your average American has common sense about... … blah blah blah " with voter turnouts of less than 50 per cent and in many local elections less than 25 per cent? Where are your "moderates" with common sense then? That's just a folksy meme, "average American" . I call it moreover as increasing ignorance and indifference

by Anonymousreply 59July 11, 2019 12:42 PM

Truth r59.

by Anonymousreply 60July 11, 2019 12:44 PM

Pelosi is an impeachment denying cunt.

Out with the bitch!

by Anonymousreply 61July 11, 2019 12:59 PM

[quote] The tweeting keeps the pressure on Pelosi. Everyday more and more people call for impeachment.

Pelosi is not going to decide to impeach because of some tweets suggesting she should. For reasons already amply explained here, it's likely a wise decision not to start impeachment proceedings at this point, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 62July 11, 2019 1:09 PM

Nancy will stall impeachment until 2020 and then she will declare that it is "too late" and impeachment can't possibly take place during an election year.

We're on to you Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 63July 11, 2019 1:30 PM

AOC is burning a lot of bridges by playing the race card with Pelosi. there are other women in Congress besides those four and a lot of them are women of color. Would not surprise me if those more seasoned veterans take AOC to school.

This is all part of an effort to undermine Pelosi and divide the House. The Russian Troll farms and the Republican trolls will be working overtime to spread discontent about the House's inaction on impeachment.. Don't be a fool. Don't buy the Stupid that's being peddled.

AND BTW: I'm seeing too many articles praising Trump lately from publications like The Hill, Politico, and even Vox. Then Costa wrote a piece for the Washington Post with the headline "Democrats are Trying to Demonize McConnell" Really?

Be very wary because the tactics that worked in the media back in 2016,are going to be applied again. Right now one that is still bubbling is the Hunter Biden Ukraine Scandal. I find it very amusing that the media will try to hype and repeat a so-called corruption scandal (like Uranium One) about the son of a Democrat while they are embracing Trump and his kids, assigning very little scrutiny and very little attention to them. Ivanka's licensing agreements with China are very much unreported.

by Anonymousreply 64July 11, 2019 1:46 PM

Will just add that at some point soon, we here on DL, need to start monitoring, analyzing and discussing media coverage. Looking at the way other candidates are ignored in favor of Bernie and Joe. Looking at how the Media is shifting into campaign mode now and beginning to be more moderate in criticizing Trump when they aren't throwing roses at that filthy pig. ALl of them. Take Mika & Joe as your cautionary tale. Before they were against Trump they were very much FOR Trump.

by Anonymousreply 65July 11, 2019 1:49 PM

AOC will very likely be a 1 termer. She probably shouldn't get too comfortable in her office.

by Anonymousreply 66July 11, 2019 1:57 PM

AOC will be re-elected handily. Will she even get a primary challenger? It’s not like her district would swing to a Republican. She’d need a primary challenger to lose her seat, unless a Dem runs as third party or a write in campaign. Can’t see either happening in 2020 when party unity will be most important.

by Anonymousreply 67July 11, 2019 2:11 PM

Pelosi's argument that she will not bother with impeachment, because the Senate will not convict is weak sauce. Of course Democracy relies on compromises and bipartisan effort, but that cannot be achieved with Trump and the current GOP. Pelosi's ineffectiveness shows that she would rather help uphold the broken and corrupt status quo than allow even entertaining the idea of approaching this constitutional mess with appropriate measures like the House to impeach and deliver a no confidence vote for Trump's administration. Her "but what will the neighbors (aka the Republicans and Right Wing media) think?" bullshit is what gives the new, progressive ones like AOC further power, because they are not afraid to tackle the broken and corrupt status quo.

by Anonymousreply 68July 11, 2019 2:44 PM

[quote]Many of the Trump voters I've talked to said they'd have voted for either Bernie Sanders or Trump.

Sure... sure... yet they voted for Drumpf which tells you all you need to know.

by Anonymousreply 69July 11, 2019 2:53 PM

R59 the lowest voter turnout in NYC has been when progressives run.

by Anonymousreply 70July 11, 2019 3:18 PM

[Quote] it's likely a wise decision not to start impeachment

Wise? I suppose time will tell.

It's surely a political decision. It does not uphold the Constitution and thereby reneges on the responsibility and duty of Congress.

by Anonymousreply 71July 11, 2019 3:20 PM

R56, the media coverage of Biden has been less than flattering. It's akin to the media coverage of Clinton, which amounted to about $1 billion in attack ads.

Where the media is falling down with everyone else is they allow them to make outrageous claims that go unchallenged. If the media started to ask tougher questions like the NYDN did with Bernie then most of the front runners would implode. All people hear right now is tax the wealthy, tax corporations and you'll get free things when the reality is everybody will end up taxed -- and nobody is really talking about that last part.

by Anonymousreply 72July 11, 2019 3:27 PM

If Pelosi launched impeachment today, it would likely fail in the House (let alone the Senate). Impeachment is a process that builds over time and must show corruption, malfeasance and incompetence (which Trump exhibits in spades, make no mistake) in addition to catching him red-handed in outright criminal activity, and only when the majority of Americans favor impeachment will it be possible for Pelosi or any Democrat to bring it up. There is no point in walking that plank when you know the outcome is defeat.

What I fail Pelosi and the Democrats on is building that wave for impeachment. I know she sees and fears the blowback if articles of impeachment are brought up for a vote; the likelihood is that Trump would take the outcome, whether it's defeat in the House or in the Senate, and as he does with everything, and turn it into a rallying cry for the deplorables. He'd claim that he was put on trial, acquitted and vindicated, the entire affair just another Democratic attempt at a coup. And the majority of Americans are so stupid and out of tune politically that they'd accept Trump's conjecture as fact, go to the polling booth, and pull the 'R' lever to show Democrats that they can't bully a president out of office.

Look at how the Freedom Caucus/Teatards took over and moved the Republicans to the right; it didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen in a vacuum. These same people have been around for decades. Most of them got their start in the Reagan revolution of 1994. If we want to build a Democratic coalition that eventually gains enough power to fundamentally shift the country leftward, we have to build the coalition and be patient.

This is the problem for Democrats; we saw it in 2010 when Obama wasn't able to wave a magic wand and undo 30 years of Republican bullshit, so Democrats stayed home (and ushered in Republicans just in time for the 2010 census to gerrymander and cheat their way into the majority for nearly 10 years). The Republicans keep their eyes on the prize, be it 5, 10 or 20 miles down the road; Democrats think about the next three inches and when everything doesn't go their way after the first inch, give up, take their toys and go home.

by Anonymousreply 73July 11, 2019 3:53 PM

Too much focus on Impeachment in the House. Not nearly enough focus on everything the Senate is allowing, or blocking. There ought to be sustained outrage and laser focus on McConnell for blocking legislation that would provide funding ballot security and guard against cyber attacks. There ought to be much more coverage of his wife's dealings. a LOT more.

The Repukes are simply dismissed and the Dems are being fried. The media ought to be tearing the fucking Senate apart. We are taking the bait if we keep pounding on Pelosi and the House. Yes, we're frustrated and impatient. We hate this situation. But if the votes are not there it's not all on Pelosi.

She is not looking at what the Senate will do, as much as she is concerned about the House. Let me say it one more time: We need 218 votes to impeach. Do you really expect someone as astute as Nancy Pelosi to say, yeah, we only have maybe 120 votes for impeachment, but hey, let's do it? Can you even begin to imagine how the Republicans will use a House vote failure to crow about Trump's innocence and to try to defeat Nancy as Speaker?

Divide and conquer. Sow disappointment, discourage, mislead, stir up shit. It's what they do. They take people's legitimate frustrations and magnify them and incite people to act against their own interests.

by Anonymousreply 74July 11, 2019 3:56 PM

[quote]If Pelosi launched impeachment today, it would likely fail in the House (let alone the Senate).

No one expects her to launch impeachment today. But the fact is, they're doing NOTHING. They're not issuing subpoenas, they're not trying to enforce subpoenas, they're barely holding hearings. They're not doing basic oversight that could undermine Trump's candidacy in 2020 even if they don't impeach him. Instead they're focusing on "message bills" that no one ever hears about and no one even cares about.

by Anonymousreply 75July 11, 2019 3:57 PM

That Maureen Dowd article is cringeworthy...Nancy will never have to buy another roll of toilet paper again, not with Maureen giving her all these rim jobs.

by Anonymousreply 76July 11, 2019 4:01 PM

They're not doing nothing. Yesterday there were some very powerful moments during testimony by mothers who were in detention, including an asylum speaker who's 19 month old baby died. Did we see it on TV? Was it covered, highlighted, etc? No. The House is holding public hearings about a lot of important shit, but it is not being covered. It is rare that a hearing is closed door. Most hearings are public. But the media isn't on board. The media is, to some extent manipulating this situation. So stay focused and raise hell, but be smart.

by Anonymousreply 77July 11, 2019 4:01 PM

[quote]"So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it," Pelosi told Democrats, according to a source in the room.

Exactly. That is the way to handle things like an adult. But assholes like AOC can't get attention that way.

by Anonymousreply 78July 11, 2019 4:04 PM

R78, it should be obvious that "So, again, you got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it," doesn't work if she is the problem. Can you go to her superior? No. The only way to address issues with Pelosi is to make the issue public so she cannot dodge it and she knows how she handles it will be public.

by Anonymousreply 79July 11, 2019 4:10 PM

R78, there's a certain arrogance about AOC that projects this attitude that others are not nearly as "concerned" as she is. I like AOC. I think she is smart, and able, but she lacks judgement and is too often confusing ego with passion.

by Anonymousreply 80July 11, 2019 4:10 PM

R79 Quit making excuses for AOC (let me guess - you're hispanic so you feel you have to automatically defend her). When she bitches in public, the Republicans love it because they love seeing Democrats eat their own and they can claim that they are an unstable party.

by Anonymousreply 81July 11, 2019 4:13 PM

But we know how much Nancy loves to eat Mexican food at her villa in Napa with her family!

by Anonymousreply 82July 11, 2019 4:14 PM

R81, actually, I am a 58 year old American of English/German/Irish decent. Since you are so wrong about that, it isn't hard to believe you are wrong about everything else.

by Anonymousreply 83July 11, 2019 4:15 PM

[quote]I'm da boss. How bout dat !

No. You’re a child. And Pelosi said it quite clearly. And most of the country agrees with her.

by Anonymousreply 84July 11, 2019 4:16 PM

[quote]let me guess - you're hispanic so you feel you have to automatically defend her

You're pretty racist for a "Democrat."

by Anonymousreply 85July 11, 2019 7:13 PM

[quote] Take Mika & Joe as your cautionary tale. Before they were against Trump they were very much FOR Trump.

Don't blame us, we were just following orders !

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by Anonymousreply 86July 11, 2019 7:21 PM

The Dems need to stop canabalizing each other. Keep your eyes on the prize: Defeat Trump.

Stop fightinf. Stop playing the victim with every time something goes wrong by saying "you're a person of color." Stop talking about the 1970s and bussing. Just fucking stop. This gang of four do not have winning issues.

You see what Mitch McConnell does? He lays low and keeps forcing through right-wing whacko, bigoted, Trump-supporting judges.

Keep your eyes on the prize. Go Team Nancy!!

by Anonymousreply 87July 11, 2019 7:40 PM

Is Alexandria Ortega-Cortez playing the race card against Crypt-keeper Pelosi?

by Anonymousreply 88July 11, 2019 9:37 PM

[quote] Is Alexandria Ortega-Cortez playing the race card against Crypt-keeper Pelosi?

Yep.

Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO) fumed at AOC and other House progressives for their dispute with the House speaker, and accused them of playing “the race card.”

“What a weak argument, because you can’t get your way and because you’re getting pushback you resort to using the race card? Unbelievable. That’s unbelievable to me,” Clay said according to The Hill. “I could care less. I could really care less. I agree with the Speaker. Four people, four votes out of 240 people, who cares.”

Clay is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and is considered a centrist Democrat. The progressive group Justice Democrats has endorsed his primary challenger Cori Bush, and Clay took time to bash Justice Democrats as well.

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by Anonymousreply 89July 11, 2019 9:58 PM

Is Lacy Clay black?

He doesn't look very black.

by Anonymousreply 90July 11, 2019 10:31 PM

R26 Pelosi is not that smart nor calculating. She has no timetable she’s trying to ignore the fact that this motherfucker should be impeached.

by Anonymousreply 91July 11, 2019 10:32 PM

Progressives is a pejorative Republican talking point and Democrats should stop using it.

by Anonymousreply 92July 11, 2019 10:33 PM

R92 Using the word "Progressive" is just as dopy as claiming to be "on the right side of history".

Anyone who knows their history knows that you can't claim to know the future.

by Anonymousreply 93July 11, 2019 10:36 PM

Now we see the same failed tactics being used once again by these corporate Democrats like Pelosi who refuse to acknowledge that they need to change to prevent a repeat of 2016 happening to them in 2020. This is the same Pelosi who resisted doing an autopsy report on 2016 after all.

You can't win an election against the Republicans if you continue to appeal to Republicans while ignoring long time Democrat voters and Independents.. This label of "moderates" is the same as the label of "centrists" and by the way what the hell is a centrist anyway? Somebody who can't make up their mind if they want to be a Democrat that day or a Republican the next day?

It's no wonder why these faux Republicans took over the Democratic Party from the inside it's people like Pelosi and Schummer who let it happen starting way back when Clinton was elected into the White House .. It's progressives like AOC and Bernie Sanders among others that are attempting to take back the party from the right wing "centrists" who belong in the Republican Party to begin with but are not right wing enough to win a seat as a Republican.

Time to face reality.. The right has control of both parties and until these "centrists" are drummed out of the Democratic Party and replaced with progressives who represent what the Democratic Party used to stand for a political party that appealed to the left and only to the left then we continue to see Democrats on the outside looking in. Stop with these lies already that there are more right wing voters than any other therefore the Democrats need to appeal to them in order to win.. Independents now represent the largest voting bloc of voters. We know Republican voters are dwindling in numbers and certainly more so among young voters..

by Anonymousreply 94July 11, 2019 10:39 PM

I'm Team Nancy. She should make the 4 brats stand in the corner.

by Anonymousreply 95July 11, 2019 10:44 PM

R90 Yes, he's black. I know this might be hard for you to believe, but not all black people have the same skin tone.

by Anonymousreply 96July 11, 2019 10:51 PM

R96 He looks as black as a Cypriot or a Sicilian. I hope Kamala's not tempted to pay him thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars.

by Anonymousreply 97July 11, 2019 10:55 PM

[quote] Progressives is a pejorative Republican talking point

The Congressional Progressive Caucus would tell you to mind your own business

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by Anonymousreply 98July 11, 2019 11:06 PM

R19, you are fucking stupid. We need the people who voted for Bernie, Jill Stein, or Trump to get behind the Dem candidate. That's why Hillary lost the lost the god damned election - people hate her. They'd prefer a phony lying reality star over a phony lying politician.

by Anonymousreply 99July 11, 2019 11:30 PM

The problem with Democrats is not internal debates around policies. This is healthy discourse. The problem are the established democrats who are always compromising with the Repukes. The Repukes never talk about compromising with Democrats unless it is to support a one of their issues. Nancy and many of the established Democrats are all about protecting their wealth and their position in Congress. They are complacent and operate from a place of fear just like all of you who are fearful to do anything bold less it inspires the deplorables. How about doing something bold that will inspire the Democrats, independents and moderate Republicans? Obama did his first election. As long as Democrats allow fear to be a guiding principle the Repukes and Dump will always win.

by Anonymousreply 100July 12, 2019 12:44 AM

R100 Oh boy.

You should realize, at some point, the intent of the design of Congress was to force consensus in order to pass legislation. Whether it was the Federalists, the anti-federalists, the Whigs, the Democrat-Republicans or any of the crazy patchwork of parties that made life hell before the 12th Amendment - that’s how it is.

Consensus, meaning you have to have enough votes under parliamentary rules to get bills out of committee and to a floor vote, survive the endless debate and amendment cycle. Hey, get a member in the Senate to sponsor the same legislation, rinse and repeat. Then survive markup before it goes to the President.

Consensus. Adults working in the center. Or we can continue towards our mutual self-destruction, Nero fiddling while Rome burns and children dying on the banks of the Rio Grande and in concentration camps. But hey, you go right ahead and tell us about Repukes and Dump instead of finding a way to solve problems.

Your tantrums, name calling and taunting are stale, tired and don’t work. Take your flippant tweets and go home. Be a huge success somewhere else. It’s not in public policy.

by Anonymousreply 101July 12, 2019 12:52 AM

Well your beloved Pelosi is only winning at lining her own pockets. She is certainly not winning at public policy. The Democrats are not winning and have not won in quite some time. The status quo is not working. Your inability to accept that is keeping the Repukes and Dump in office.

by Anonymousreply 102July 12, 2019 1:07 AM

R100 Do you think you’re winning on the issues? You’re playing the same game the Republicans played in 1994 with their “Contract with America”. You’re making all sorts of inane promises that are big soundbites, but structrally don’t make any sense.

But, please. Keep up your Rush Limbaugh-style ad hominem. We’ve lived through your “movements” before and you’re just a rinse and repeat shampoo-style political wave that gets washed out as soon as voters get tired of the stink.

by Anonymousreply 103July 12, 2019 1:56 AM

R101, what legislation are you hoping Democrats help Republicans pass right now? Which rights are you willing to give up to be the "adult"?

by Anonymousreply 104July 12, 2019 3:23 AM

Damn the trolls are out in force. Pelosi is the most effective Speaker we have ever had. Period. She is 2nd in line to be PResident, and she has done a great job in horrific circumstances. The expectation level was so high when she took office it was unrealistic. Now we have the factions bitching and the saboteurs stirring shit and disrupting. We all know what the fucking tactics are, and we have all seen how stuppid some people play into them, with guys like BErnie goading you on, because he has repeatedly said he wants to see the entire party or the government or WTF fail so we can rebuild his perfect world. Wake the fuck up. You know the game. Stop being stupid

by Anonymousreply 105July 12, 2019 3:47 AM

R104. You’re not going to win with a tautology.

by Anonymousreply 106July 12, 2019 4:09 AM

If the pipe bomb sent by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz doesn't do the trick, then Nancy Pelosi will assassinate Donald Trump in his sleep by suffocating him to death with her massive stripper tits.

by Anonymousreply 107July 12, 2019 4:13 AM

R107 How sexist . Men never think women can be evil super villains who can master an army of super intelligent sharks with goddam laser beams on their heads.

No, it has to always be about the fun bags. Typical.

by Anonymousreply 108July 12, 2019 4:17 AM

[quote]Pelosi is the most effective Speaker we have ever had.

Please, believe me, you're embarrassing yourself.

by Anonymousreply 109July 12, 2019 4:42 AM

Explain how selecting Joe Biden as the Democratic candidate for President will help the progressive cause.

It won’t. Joe will take office and like every president elect before him, will continue to ignore the needs of those who voted for him and pander to those corporate interests and lobbyists who padded his pockets to pay for his campaign. Nothing, nothing of any real note will be accomplished. And that is only if he’s elected. The Russians, thanks to the turtle necked lowlife that’s Senator Mitch, still has access to our electoral college and can assure another Trump victory.

by Anonymousreply 110July 12, 2019 5:37 PM

If you think Biden is pandering then you're going to be in for a surprise with the progressive candidates. Taxing the rich and corporations alone won't get you what you want.

by Anonymousreply 111July 12, 2019 6:11 PM

It's called a start, R111. Should we just keep the status quo because we can't get to the progressive endgame in five minutes? The Democrats have been starting at the middle point for decades at this point which allows the conservative psychos on the far right to gain more and more ground. We need to start of the far left in order to move the center to, ya know, the actual center instead of the center as defined by the far right.

by Anonymousreply 112July 12, 2019 6:19 PM

It's not called a start. It's called a lie. It's like saying "I'm going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it."

by Anonymousreply 113July 12, 2019 6:25 PM

No it's not, R113. In fact, Trump would have done much better if he had approached his idiotic wall building incrementally. This is the primary. Everyone moves to the center during the primary. When you win, you start your negotiations from a place of "Medicare for All". Then, your compromise position will be a lowering of the Medicare eligibility age over time with a public option resembling Medicare added to Obamacare. Eventually, businesses will dump the huge burden of covering employees health insurance because there is a good alternative now. That will snowball and within 15 years we will have Medicare for All.

That's how the real world works. Go study the origins of Social Security if you can't figure it out.

by Anonymousreply 114July 12, 2019 6:34 PM

R105 ever heard of Tip O'Neill?

by Anonymousreply 115July 12, 2019 7:15 PM

[quote]This is the primary. Everyone moves to the center during the primary. When you win, you start your negotiations from a place of "Medicare for All". Then, your compromise position will be a lowering of the Medicare eligibility age over time with a public option resembling...

What primary are you following? Clearly haven't got a fucking clue if you think people move to the center in a primary. Not even remotely how it works.

by Anonymousreply 116July 12, 2019 7:45 PM

Everyone loved Pelosi when she was smacking down Trump.

Everyone loves AOC when she smacks down Pelosi.

Who’s next?

by Anonymousreply 117July 12, 2019 8:46 PM

When I attended the Iowa Democratic caucus in 2008, the Clinton supporters begged the Obama supporters to consider electability above policy and switch sides. Clinton lost that night and Obama won. When I attended in 2016, the Clinton supporters begged the Sanders supporters to consider electability . She won that night, but lost to Trump.

Choosing a moderate vanilla candidate made sense in 1988, but it doesn't now. People need to be inspired by a candidate enough to ask their boss if they can leave work early to vote. Politicians like Biden, Clinton, and Pelosi are great allies, but they don't inspire enough people, certainly not swing voters.

by Anonymousreply 118July 13, 2019 2:38 AM

[quote]When I attended in 2016, the Clinton supporters begged the Sanders supporters to consider electability .

The situation should have been reversed.

by Anonymousreply 119July 13, 2019 2:49 AM

R116, I mis-typed. I meant to write that, after the primary, everyone moves to the center during the general.

by Anonymousreply 120July 13, 2019 4:11 AM

Pelosi"s been in Congress since Reagan. She's slow and needs to go.

by Anonymousreply 121July 13, 2019 5:53 AM

AOC's been in Congress for six months. She's ignorant and needs to grow up.

by Anonymousreply 122July 13, 2019 7:00 AM

I got this in my twitter news feed this morning.

" Over two dozen House Republicans joined Democrats to vote for a measure blocking President Donald Trump from taking military action against Iran without congressional approval."

Pelosi has been working hard. Under our Constitution, the House has "...the power to declare war." She got 27 Republicans to vote to limit Trump's war powers in an attempt to block him from fucking up in Iran. To the degree she can start prying Republicans away from Trump, which is a fucking miracle by itself, she is going to undermine McConnell too. I'm not surprised she's under attack. The Republicans don't have to do too much. The grandstanding young Turks in the House will do it for them. AOC gets in her own way. She will blame a lot of others for isolating her, but she backed herself into that corner.

by Anonymousreply 123July 13, 2019 10:42 AM

Nancy should be experienced enough to read which way the wind is blowing. I'm not seeing this happening.

by Anonymousreply 124July 13, 2019 12:43 PM

Nancy needs to stop worrying about AOC and start worrying about impeaching this bastard in the White House before it's too late.

by Anonymousreply 125July 13, 2019 1:48 PM

She said they don't have the votes, plus we have Mueller coming up and probably the tax returns too. Stop being impatient.

by Anonymousreply 126July 13, 2019 2:36 PM

As far as I know Nancy did nothing wrong. She was asked about AOC, and she said that in the House they had no following. They had four votes. AOC, took offense and accused NP of racism? For stating the obvious? Nancy was putting them in context. They prefer to grandstand.

by Anonymousreply 127July 13, 2019 2:38 PM

Not a joke, r123. The more Pelosi achieves the harder the attacks are.

Yesterday the actor Bradley Whitford was whining about not supporting her anymore because there were no hearings, but it was the day of the House hearings on all the subpoenas.

Today I saw Ken Kloppenstein or whatever his name is slam Pelosi because the House Dem Twitter account defended Sharice Davids but not Ilhan Omar. Trump stopped from declaring war on his own thanks to Nancy? Sorry, big Twitter accounts are too busy crying about tweets to care!

I'm convinced these people want to force Pelosi to start impeachment proceedings too early so they can guarantee failure for the Dems.

by Anonymousreply 128July 13, 2019 2:42 PM

Not a joke, r123. The more Pelosi achieves the harder the attacks are.

Yesterday the actor Bradley Whitford was whining about not supporting her anymore because there were no hearings, but it was the day of the House hearings on all the subpoenas.

Today I saw Ken Kloppenstein or whatever his name is slam Pelosi because the House Dem Twitter account defended Sharice Davids but not Ilhan Omar. Trump stopped from declaring war on his own thanks to Nancy? Sorry, big Twitter accounts are too busy crying about tweets to care!

I'm convinced these people want to force Pelosi to start impeachment proceedings too early so they can guarantee failure for the Dems.

by Anonymousreply 129July 13, 2019 2:42 PM

[quote]Nancy should be experienced enough to read which way the wind is blowing.

It's hard to predict which way the wind will be blowing in 30 years when AOC is old enough and mature enough to take over.

by Anonymousreply 130July 13, 2019 11:48 PM

put another way

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by Anonymousreply 131July 14, 2019 6:48 AM

Pelosi's a day late and a dollar short.

by Anonymousreply 132July 14, 2019 10:49 AM

I’m with Pelosi

by Anonymousreply 133July 14, 2019 11:11 AM

The problem is that, as usual, this is presented as two opposing sports teams. It takes an irritating grain of sand to make a pearl. The sand is not the pearl, but the pearl exists due to the irritation caused by the sand. This is a similar situation. AOC is not the end result, but she is causing dialogue that will make for a stronger Democratic party.

by Anonymousreply 134July 14, 2019 11:21 AM

I like your analogy, r134.

Is AOC the irritation or the sand?

Because we are overwhelmed by irritation. We should focus on bringing down Trump & his followers...who control the senate & Supreme Court. Among other things.

I see this more as “friendly fire.” We really ought not be shooting the people on our side. We need to leverage what little power we have.

For example, Trump has instructed his minions to ignore House subpoenas. And they are.

That’s pretty much all the power we have right now. And it will remain this way for at least a decade since scotus upheld republican gerrymandering.

Social media is destroying our country. AOC needs to be sober on it. Right now, she’s actively working against her party’s leadership. That is so not helpful.

by Anonymousreply 135July 14, 2019 11:36 AM

R135; I get what you are saying, but AOC and others are keeping the focus on Trump. Pelosi likes to do things behind closed doors. She also compromises. The young members are taking the dialogue from behind closed doors and applying the flames directly to Trumps feet. Again, this isn't a zero sum game. There is no reason that *both* strategies could not be used effectively. I think the problem is that Pelosi does not understand social media and does not know how to use it effectively. Again, she is like Bush discovering a barcode scanner for the first time. Her comment about "four votes" is a good example. The younger members may only have for votes, but through social media, they have the power of many votes to affect change. Pelosi is whining about the power the young people wield rather than learning how to harness that power to the common cause.

by Anonymousreply 136July 14, 2019 11:47 AM

R136, I’m sorry, but I disagree with you.

Again, we are not the party is power. We need to be united to leverage what little power we have against the VILE people who HATE us & are literally killing & raping people & imprisoning poor people for profit.

Fighting on SM does nothing but empower our enemies & demoralize potential voters.

If you want more sadism in power, then fight alongside AOC on social media.

If you want to change Trump’s sadistic policies, then play chess with Pelosi.

It’s your decision.

by Anonymousreply 137July 14, 2019 12:16 PM

You know, if Ginsberg and Breyer can hold on for just a tiny bit more than 18 months, with a Democratic majority in the Senate, and a Democratic President, we can appoint two judges to restore the balance. And don't forget. Clarence Thomas is getting up there. We flip the state legislatures and fix Gerrymandering, and fix SCOTUS and it is all doable within the next two years. Think about it. And then get your asses out here and work to make sure every living ass shows up. And do not forget to go to the nursing homes and help them fill out their ballots....

by Anonymousreply 138July 14, 2019 1:53 PM

YESSSS! R137! What he said.

by Anonymousreply 139July 14, 2019 1:55 PM

Nancy Pelosi is effective. And to say she doesn't understand that social media gives people a megaphone is laughable. She has one of the best staffs in Washington, bar none. And they certainly know how important social media is. She does a Press conference every damned day live streaming on facebook.

But I get what you're saying. The point is, though, Nancy is old school. She counts votes. And there is no other way to succeed in Congress. You have to have the votes. Ayanna Pressley, AOC, Tlaib and Omar, are the "gang of FOUR." Four votes. Nancy has 435 people to wrangle. The Gang of Four are not a faction. They aren't a caucus. They are four people, no more, and there is nothing racist about stating the obvious. And AOC's staffer ought to be fired. He is the one creating dissension.

by Anonymousreply 140July 14, 2019 2:01 PM

What r137 and r140 said.

by Anonymousreply 141July 14, 2019 2:30 PM

It's actually at myth that pearls are formed around a grain of sand. Oysters are perfectly capable of expelling the sand. Pearls are formed around parasites, which is an even more apt analogy in that Bernie and his movement are parasites who became Democrats only to use resources.

by Anonymousreply 142July 14, 2019 7:58 PM

This is such a non-story. It’s just the media sowing dissent with a completely unimportant story. Can’t believe anybody cares about this.

by Anonymousreply 143July 14, 2019 8:16 PM

And yet Trump comes out in support of Pelosi against the Gang of Four. Trump knows at the end of day he can control Nancy as she is a member of the good old boy system in Washington that supports the status quo. The Gang of Four is needed to keep Pelosi on her toes. She is not looking out for us......well for me anyway.

by Anonymousreply 144July 14, 2019 10:19 PM

R144, No, Trump wants the Democrats divided--and the media not focusing on his immigration policies and his links to Epstein. Or his loss on the census. AOC and co. are easily riled and distracted. Pelosi isn't.

So much of what's being said about Pelosi here is stupid and ageist. You really think the congresswoman from frickin' San Francisco hasn't got a clue about social media? I mean, seriously?

by Anonymousreply 145July 14, 2019 11:54 PM

The whole "gang of four" firebrands image plays well with MAGA voters. Trump and the GOP sees it as a Democratic vulnerability so they're going to stoke it. R145 is right.

by Anonymousreply 146July 15, 2019 12:00 PM

[quote]And yet Trump comes out in support of Pelosi against the Gang of Four.

Because it's divisive, that's why. He doesn't actually support her, you gullible fool. He wants Democrats to eat their own and get rid of Pelosi because she's his biggest threat right now, and how better to do that than to keep stoking the whole "Pelosi is really a Republican, she should be forced out!" thing that the far-left Twitterati has been pushing.

It's griefing and trolling and it's all the GOP does anymore. Better figure it out quick, buddy, or you're gonna get hoodwinked by them again.

by Anonymousreply 147July 15, 2019 12:12 PM

R145, yes I do. It is the difference between an older person who uses a cell phone as a telephone and a young person who knows every bell, whistle, app, shortcut, and trick on a cell phone.

She clearly does not understand social media culture which was created by people younger than her with the values of young people. It is *their* culture, not hers. She does not get to make the rules. Her finger wagging is like the parent who complains that his/her child will not listen to a phone message unless a text is sent to listen to the message. If you know this is the case, just send a text, or use Instagram, or whatever the child's preference. Don't whine because the child won't do the same as you did 20 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 148July 15, 2019 12:14 PM

You haven't been on Facebook if you think social media is the culture of young people.

by Anonymousreply 149July 15, 2019 12:18 PM

R148, one of the interesting things about getting older is that you realize that history repeats. Old people and young people bitching about each other. It’s sort of amusing.

by Anonymousreply 150July 15, 2019 12:41 PM

R149, you just proved my point. Facebook *is* for old people. Young people move on over ten yeas ago. Anyone who thinks it is a young person's platform is out of touch.

R150, you are correct. 20 years from now AOC will be the new Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 151July 15, 2019 12:48 PM

[quote]you are correct. 20 years from now AOC will be the new Pelosi.

No, she won't. There are smarter people in Congress now who the national media doesn't focus on. As Pelosi correctly stated, she's one of four only. She's a big deal now because the media made her into one for beating an incumbent who didn't campaign in a primary that most didn't know about.

by Anonymousreply 152July 15, 2019 2:45 PM

R152, you are an idiot who cannot read for content. I was referring to R150's comment that the old have always bitched about the young. My reply had nothing to do with the political skills of either Pelosi of AOC. Try reading the original post referenced for the context of the post instead of having an idiotic, knee-jerk reaction.

by Anonymousreply 153July 15, 2019 3:54 PM

R153 then you failed miserably in getting your point across because what you actually said and what you think you said are two different things -- even in context of r150.

by Anonymousreply 154July 15, 2019 4:08 PM

Axios Exclusive poll: AOC defining Dems in swing states

"If all voters hear about is AOC, it could put the [House] majority at risk," said a top Democrat who is involved in 2020 congressional races. "[S]he's getting all the news and defining everyone else’s races."

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by Anonymousreply 155July 15, 2019 4:10 PM

R154, and yet when I scolded you, you understood perfectly. Hmmmm....

by Anonymousreply 156July 15, 2019 4:11 PM

R155 and this is where the complicit media checks in. They are hyping and hyping all they can. Trump and the GOP want to define anyone who identifies as a Democrat, especially elected officials, as all being like AOC and the other three. They tried undermining Pelosi, on impeachment ( they won't stop doing that) and have now shifted to going after the members they hope will be poster children for Evil Democrats. Scare,sow fear divide.

by Anonymousreply 157July 15, 2019 4:15 PM

R156, against what you are saying in your post and what you think you are saying are two different things. I still don't get your point even after you "scolded" me.

Pelosi has never singled out anyone for age or inexperience in the past it's only these four. In order for AOC to be Pelosi in 20 years then AOC would need to be a SotH who is trying to wrangle four mouthy 20/30/40 year olds -- and AOC isn't going to be SotH ever.

by Anonymousreply 158July 15, 2019 4:41 PM

If Pelosi can't avoid fallout from a closed-door meeting of her own party, she probably isn't the master chess player some of you believe. She and every Democratic leader should be working to ensure that Bernie supporters and disgruntled Republicans are willing to vote for the Democratic nominee. Pissing off progressives didn't work out well in 2016.

by Anonymousreply 159July 16, 2019 12:05 AM

R159, She is, which is why she's trying to get AOC's idiot chief-of-staff to shut up about the moderates in swing districts.

And if you think Pelosi's reputation for backroom dealing depends on one meetings, you don't know what's been going on for the last 30 years.

by Anonymousreply 160July 16, 2019 2:48 AM

Faux news is 24/7 AOC. That's the GOP strategy for 2020. And, AOC is playing right into their hands by not listening to Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 161July 16, 2019 3:14 AM

[quote] And, AOC is playing right into their hands by not listening to Pelosi.

And now Trump has maneuvered them into embracing her and the squad circling the wagons around them. Just when Pelosi was making moves to isolate them.

by Anonymousreply 162July 16, 2019 4:16 AM

R159, you are correct. The Democratic Party needs fresh blood that is not a part of the status quo. The system has basically failed common people while coddling the very rich. Pelosi’s poor leadership is why womens’s rights are hustling backwards as is other protections of minorities. How can you write of her great political prowess when the Voting Rights Act (one of the best legislation by the Democrat Party) has been gutted. Black folk, especially black women, have been consistently loyal to the Democrats and she is allowing their voices to slowly be silenced by Republicans? Women’s right to control their bodies is next. Conservative men understand that a woman can never truly control her life if she can not control her reproductive system. She should rally the troops much like Trump used MAGA to get out all women to the polls. But she won’t do that because SHE has too much to lose. Under her great leadership the rich has gotten much richer, including Pelosi, and the poor much poorer. You may believe she is a great leader but I do not. Also I do not read Republican thought pieces or watch their news as I have been constantly accused of.

by Anonymousreply 163July 16, 2019 10:33 AM

You clearly aren't aware that Democrats haven't had control of both houses for quite some time, r163. There's only so much Pelosi can do without having the senate too.

by Anonymousreply 164July 16, 2019 5:25 PM

The GOP had already decided to target AOC, Omar Tlaib and Pressley. That decision was part of the over all 2020 strategy. They were going to be the 2020 Poster children for "radical communism" and the Democrats were going to be painted as extremists Socialists, WTF ever. The strategy to paint the Dems as too extreme and too dangerous needed a face. These will do nicely and throwing in Pelosi in the bargain.

When AOC and the rest got so much sympathetic press for visiting our concentration camps, the GOP had to move up the timetable. But AOC was always going to be an issue along with the other three. Unavoidable, and I hope it blows up in the faces of Trump and his people. This is the exact strategy Steve Bannon suggested more than a year ago.

by Anonymousreply 165July 16, 2019 5:40 PM

Pelosi and the Democratic House could impeach Trump tomorrow if they had the will to do it.

The Senate wouldn't vote to convict, but guess what? They NEVER HAVE. The two other presidents who were impeached in the past (Johnson, Clinton) weren't convicted by the Senate either, but they held the title "impeached president" for the rest of their lives and beyond.

Trump deserves no less.

by Anonymousreply 166July 16, 2019 7:45 PM

And how'd that work out for republicans in the next election, r166?

by Anonymousreply 167July 16, 2019 7:50 PM

As I recall, they retained the House, Senate and they gained back the White House in 2000, r167.

by Anonymousreply 168July 16, 2019 7:54 PM

It actually hurt republicans, r168. Much has been written about it and it's the main reason why Pelosi doesn't want to impeach.

by Anonymousreply 169July 16, 2019 8:00 PM

So when Pelosi prevails and impeachment is abandoned will it affect 2020? When Trump wins, will the older party leaders resign? Should elected officials who deliberately do not uphold the Constitution or the official duties they are sworn to uphold resign?

by Anonymousreply 170July 16, 2019 8:45 PM

It's not at all clear that Pelosi could impeach tomorrow--it requires a two-thirds votes--the Democrats don't *have* two-thirds of the House.. Even if the House got the vote, the Senate would have to hold the trial and it's unlikely that Mitch McConnell would do so.

Not sure what you think having an impeachment vote would do except get Trump to rally his base in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 171July 16, 2019 8:48 PM

R170 Pelosi knows that it was moderates in swing districts who didn't back impeachment that gave democrats the majority in congress. She's going to do everything she can to make sure these people have cover for 2020. A progressive winning a deep blue district doesn't speak for the country and Pelosi knows it.

by Anonymousreply 172July 16, 2019 8:50 PM

Were Johnson and Clinton impeached?

I didn't know that.

by Anonymousreply 173July 16, 2019 9:28 PM

r171, re-read your Constitution. It takes a majority in the House to impeach, it takes two thirds of the Senate to convict and remove.

You're welcome.

by Anonymousreply 174July 16, 2019 10:19 PM

R164, I am very much aware of it.

by Anonymousreply 175July 17, 2019 1:54 AM

[quote] Were Johnson and Clinton impeached?

Who the hell doesn't know that Clinton was impeached? BTW, the Johnson who was impeached was Andrew, in 1868, lest you thought the poster you quoted was talking about LBJ.

by Anonymousreply 176July 17, 2019 2:21 AM

Congress should be protecting the Constitution against acts such as by Trump. Political beancounting and politicking is secondary.

by Anonymousreply 177July 17, 2019 5:07 AM

What I don't understand is why the Repugs aren't banding together against Trump? If they all came out against this piece of shit, en masse, they would take over conservative media and take it away from Trump. He'd be absolutely toothless. They pretend they are afraid of being primaried but would be moot if they all did it because they would remove the Trumpian focus. They are killing their party.

by Anonymousreply 178July 17, 2019 5:45 AM

[quote]What I don't understand is why the Repugs aren't banding together against Trump?

To the Republicans, he's the figurative wall that is the only thing holding back the barbarians.

by Anonymousreply 179July 17, 2019 6:40 AM

He's the prop.

by Anonymousreply 180July 17, 2019 8:44 AM

Thank you, R176.

I knew Clinton was a lying, dirty old man but I didn't know about LBJ— he was way before my time— but I remember someone saying LBJ was an ugly man but a good president.

by Anonymousreply 181July 17, 2019 10:02 AM

The most you can really say for LBJ is he tried hard, but he was a lousy president and a horrible man.

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by Anonymousreply 182July 17, 2019 10:33 AM

All bets are off now.

by Anonymousreply 183July 17, 2019 11:42 AM

Nancy Pelosi will breast slap Donald Trump across the face so hard that his neck will snap like a twig! Like a motherfuckin' twig!

by Anonymousreply 184July 17, 2019 8:32 PM

Go home grandma P and let the young ones do the job.

by Anonymousreply 185July 19, 2019 3:20 PM

This will not end well.

by Anonymousreply 186July 19, 2019 10:07 PM
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