I Spent a Week Interrogating My Dislike of Pete Buttigieg and These Are My Findings

Bet she has a $66,000 student loan debt, and her parents pay her rent.

She's a BernieBro. They get very upset when other candidates take a bit out of Bernie's voter pool.

bite

Her preferred candidate will be eliminated.

Bernie is bleeding polling points.

Pete is doing well.

Listen to what he says at the debates. He is guaranteed to be in the 4th debate already.

Marathon runner.

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R6 😂

Many ADOS Black voters want reparations in exchange for their votes or at least free college. Either one will guarantee a Trump re-election. In sum the reporter in OP is extremely biased.

Why not be practical instead and guarantee clean water for 100% of all Americans? Then deal with the extreme violence the poorest Americans face daily in Chicago et al? Much more appealing & practical ideas to Independent voters.

Reparations are a trap discussion.

All Dems should ignore the hook.

I don't even know what reparation is. Entrapment?

r10, it is what you would pay -G for ruining her career.

Who cares what a straight bitch with chinky- eyes thinks?! Mayor Pete is one of us and therefore must be defended at all costs.

Asians don't like Pete.

The writer sounds like a bitch.

It took her a week of watching film and reading articles to decide if she “liked” him only to find out she liked him but didn’t like him for President? What a fucking douchebag.

Some of the most homophobic people in the world are females who describe themselves as “intersectional feminists”.

[quote]Who cares what a straight bitch with chinky- eyes thinks?! Mayor Pete is one of us and therefore must be defended at all costs.

Yes! Racists for Mayor Pete!

F&F

It read like a very well-done parody of a Millennial-focused women's site.

Only it wasn't a parody.

This idiot woman apparently doesn't understand the English language. How does one interrogate a personal dislike? Does the dislike answer the bitch back?

I couldn't get past the first few paragraphs because I kept on hearing Carrie Bradshaw doing the voiceover.

The article was surprisingly good. Many voters will find Pete to be unrelatable. His education and elite intellect will be a detriment. "Pete Buttigieg Increasingly Sounds Like That Guy You Hated in College".

Using "interrogate" this way comes straight out of critical theory. It's annoying, but this writer didn't invent it.

Pete Buttigieg is the anal retentive guy who's in charge of the homeowner's association.

r23, I find him neither retentive or expulsive. I find him a brilliant, well thought out person.

I would love to have him as my HOA president, too.

He is not that guy I hated in college as the guy in college I hated were the drunk jocks who hung out windows with caveman clubs.

Pete is a smart guy with new approaches to old problems.

And I find it comforting that he is Episcopalian, like most past presidents.

R24, So true. Writer in OP shows her true colors when she admits to jealousy re that Mayor Pete reminds her of the smartest guy in college. That's exactly what's wrong with the US today, we don't sufficiently reward hard work and natural intelligence. Instead it's all about "entitlement" and "everyone gets a trophy" attitude. Shame on the writer for setting a terrible example to the women and minority readers of Jezebel.

Would be curious who Mayor Pete would pick for Secretary of Education. I don't like the current one.

R22 Is "interrogate" what you do after you "unpack"?

Here's my theory: Jezebel writers want desperately to hate him because he's not the sort of gay man they like to collect, as pets, you know, the femmey, insecure, unattractive gay guy who can be their wingman, tell them that it's okay they ate a pint of ice cream, gets all their Real Housewives references and has strong and definitive opinions on their hair, wardrobe and make-up choices.

In their minds, those gay men aren't really guys, so they're not bothered by the fact that they're not into women.

Pete, OTOH, is a good looking, masculine, sort of nerdy guy who was also in the military and yet, despite being perfect husband material, is married to a man. The fact that, in their minds, he's rejected women, is what bothers them most about him. He's a gay who doesn't need to be "just one of the gals."

Also, reading the equally ridiculous piece at R21, all I could think was "of course he did all that. That's what closeted gay guys do. They find ways to be social while avoiding the whole having to date women thing."

Chunky eyes?

. Only on DL

This place pisses me off more often than not.

r13 - Pete don't like Asians neither.

[quote]Reparations are a trap discussion.

[quote]All Dems should ignore the hook.

I'm black and I have heard no discussion among other black people about reparations. The only people who seem to be discussing reparations are white people. I would say just stop it, but now the genie is out of the bottle and republicans and the media are going to use it as much as they can.

People dislike Pete Buttigeig because Pete Buttigeig is a type the same way Lea Michelle is a type. He just irritates people.

Pete's type is "The Professional Gay White Male in Early Middle Age Who Will Not Stop Reminding You How Competent He Is."

I don't see the parallel between Lea Michele and Pete Buttigieg.

[quote] I'm black and I have heard no discussion among other black people about reparations.

Black Millennials are screaming about it. I know them personally.

Ditto R33 (though admittedly not all that familiar with Lea Michelle and/or why people dislike her.)

Lots of people bug me. Pete doesn't, just seems like a good guy.

[quote]Here's my theory: Jezebel writers want desperately to hate him because he's not the sort of gay man they like to collect, as pets, you know, the femmey, insecure, unattractive gay guy who can be their wingman, tell them that it's okay they ate a pint of ice cream, gets all their Real Housewives references and has strong and definitive opinions on their hair, wardrobe and make-up choices.

I have encountered these types of women and yes they dislike gay men who aren't their pet/bff material. I'm sure those women would also hate Jared Polis.

Only in America is it a bad thing to be smart. People would rather vote for an idiot than someone who actually is well educated, well read, and who can intelligently discuss a variety of topics.

She makes several valid points.

If you interrogate a dislike long enough, does it make a false confession?

R8/R9: Concern trolls are concerned.

[quote]Only in America is it a bad thing to be smart.

In other fields, that's clearly not correct, since there are many smart, successful people who are admired in the United States. What people are adverse to is politicians who are smart and believe they are much smarter than the common man, and who approach politics as needing to convince dumb people why they should change their views. People don't like intelligence being lorded over them. It's not a way to get the most votes. Bill Clinton was also a Rhodes Scholar, but he didn't wear it on his sleeve. His "I feel your pain" sentiment may have been mocked, but he did establish a rapport with people in need. That's not going to happen with Pete. It's not his nature.

[quote]What people are adverse to is politicians who are smart and believe they are much smarter than the common man, and who approach politics as needing to convince dumb people why they should change their views.

So it's wrong trying to explain to people that the reason for their problems is how they're voting? The white working class continues to vote republican, yet republicans don't give two shits about them. You're not supposed to bring that up?

Are you insane,r41? In what universe has he ever lorded being a Rhodes scholar over anyone? Others bring it up, not him. You haven't even listened to him talk. He sounds humble, nice and thoughtful. And by the way, he's a much better person than Bill Clinton (and I'm a Clinton fan). Bill pretended to empathize with the riffraff, Pete actually does. If anyone likes to remind people of their Rhodes scholarship, it's Rachel Maddow.

And for those who are annoyed with his intelligence, tough shit. Keep following that populist idiot Bernie Sanders (the Trump of the left). He will never be the nominee and you can sit at home and lick your wounds again in the general.

Funny to use Bill Clinton as an example because if I had a dollar for every time I heard some variation of "she thinks she's better than everyone else" as the rationale from someone who claimed to hate his wife, I'd be able to buy you all a very nice inner with some top shelf wine.

Do not get that vibe from Pete at all, nor have I heard anyone put it out there about him. He always comes off as very humble and midwestern.

^dinner . D must have gotten deleted

Humble? He's the mayor of a Midwestern shithole that thinks he's entitled to be President.

If anyone is entitled it’s that cunt Hillary Clinton. She should have sat her tired old ass down in 2016 and we wouldn’t have Trump in the White House.

How the hell is Hillary being dragged into this conversation?

Talk about betting a dead horse.... geesh, get over the woman.

I spent one minute reading the subheading at OP's link before dismissing this annoying article.

well, R47 was an easy block.

I don't know if I agree with the writer, but I laughed out loud when one of the Jezebel commenters said Pete was Rory Gilmore. It was in the article where they talked about him frying kidneys on the stove in honor of James Joyce and learning Norwegian on the toilet.

[quote] Who cares what a straight bitch with chinky- eyes thinks?! Mayor Pete is one of us and therefore must be defended at all costs.

Is this a joke comment? Please tell me it is.

This guy is masculine and good looking?? Lord almighty, how standards have fallen. I have nothing against the guy, but let's be real, he's an elitist nerd.

R53= Biden Supporter

R46 sums up my feelings. He gives off a very arrogant, entitled vibe. The husband doing his own townhalls/fundraisers also runs me the wrong way.

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I agree with R41. Bill Clinton was a deeply flawed President and person, but had a rare ability to be both brilliant and charming/empathetic. I didn’t really especially like him at the time, but in retrospect admire how good he was at the job.

I’d vote for Pete in a minute, but he does have a self-righteous, stick-up-his ass quality that’s very midwestern Catholic. That won’t play in the south.

At least he’s better than draft dodging Biden.

“JoeBiden told room full of rich donors, "I need you very badly." Then he said, "No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change." That could be his campaign slogan. Do people still not understand why progressives have no interest in voting for him?

R58 serving in the military doesn't qualify you to be a President. There's something very right wing about how Pete bots use this to bolster him.

[quote] That won’t play in the south.

Who gives a shit about the motherfucking South? Those shitty asshole states always vote Republican anyway.

[quote] [R58] serving in the military doesn't qualify you to be a President.

I'll say!

I wouldn't vote for someone stupid enough to enlist.

You should care very much about Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, Florida, and Texas, moron R60. All those states are projected to be very close in 2020.

R61 Bill Clinton and Obama also didn't serve. Again it's logic that a freeper would use.

,r64, They didn’t use some phoney diagnosis like biden and Trump did to send poor people in their place

Though maybe if they had served hey wouldn’t have been terrible Presidents.

R63 Texas is part of the south?? Has Georgia gone blue in the last 25 years? Florida is full of fucking idiots.

Now that we know there are those trying to divide the American electorate, it is wise not to rise to the bait.

Never will we go back to corporate democrats. This is the progressive party and we will reject Obama and Clinton type candidates. That means Joe and Harris are out.

If he weren't gay and white, DL would not care about him. So basically, the author is only evaluating what 90% of the voting public likely feels.

He's not only going to go nowhere, but he'll inhibit future gay politicians for a similar run as he will crash and burn pretty hard when it matters.

Don't fool yourselves, America is not ready yet.

[quote]That his husband Chasten says he is a loud chewer!

See that is a fucking dealbreaker for me. Learn to eat quietly and chew with your fucking mouth closed!

If Republicans have to fight for Georgia and Texas, the race is already over.

R69 gets it.

r59, people who serve see military personnel as PEOPLE.

People who have not served may see them as disposable pawns.

A person who has served is more likely to opt for peace.

r69, if you wait till someone is ready, there will never be a person.

Pete is the perfect person at the right time.

R73 explains George HW Bush.

It really does read like a parody of an idiot trying to sound intelligent but failing.

Unfortunately, it is not a parody. It is, indeed, written by an idiot.

An idiot who has a platform, and a vote. This is why good guys lose.

R74 The US can't elect a woman.

A black man was elected and 90% of the country revolted by electing a fear-mongering racist, sexist, elitist pig --- who will never do anything for them.

Buttigieg will be another token gay that is celebrated for his token value but discarded when another token fad comes along.

She doesn't like his policies.

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[quote]Some of the most homophobic people in the world are females who describe themselves as “intersectional feminists”.

[quote]If anyone is entitled it’s that cunt Hillary Clinton. She should have sat her tired old ass down in 2016 and we wouldn’t have Trump in the White House.

[quote]R53= Biden Supporter

[quote]At least he’s better than draft dodging Biden.

[quote]“JoeBiden told room full of rich donors, "I need you very badly." Then he said, "No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change." That could be his campaign slogan. Do people still not understand why progressives have no interest in voting for him?

[quote],r64, They didn’t use some phoney diagnosis like biden and Trump did to send poor people in their place

[quote]Though maybe if they had served hey wouldn’t have been terrible Presidents.

[quote]Never will we go back to corporate democrats. This is the progressive party and we will reject Obama and Clinton type candidates. That means Joe and Harris are out.

[quote]R8, Grabbing someone’s titties on tv without consent is sexual assault.

[quote]Bernie is too good or the Democratic Party.

[quote]Bernie was not given a fair shake by the media or by the dnc. Those superdelegates were bought and paid for and the DNC was caught purposefully hindering Bernie many times. I am not a fan of Clinton as a result and chose not to vote for her. She is an example of the type of Democrat we need to move away from. Biden too.

[quote]No, I despise Trump even more than I do Hillary. Just not enough to vote for someone I see as part of the larger problem. R81

[quote]R82, Every superdelegate who voted for Hillary is a crook and only wanted to keep the 1% happy. Fuck everyone else right, r82?

[quote]R85, Dude, googling “DNC hindering Bernie” turns up thousands of results. Just because Rachel maddow or whatever biased MSM show you watch didn’t tell you doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

[quote]R88=triggered Hillarybot. Time to wrap it up, Gramps. Your kind is dying out.

[quote]R90, The actual data is that your girl Hillary lost and rightfully so. Hillary will be remembered as the old crooked woman who was so unlovable that she lost to Donald Fucking Trump.

[quote]R92, He lost to hillary because DNC stole the primary for her. How many leaders did the DNC got through during the election because their tricks were found out? LmaoThat is how history will remember it because that is how the young see it. Sorry dude. Hillary is the past and Bernie is the future.

[quote]R93, Bernie’s ideas reasonate with young people. His supporters skewed younger while Hillary’s were older.

[quote]You guys watch too much MSM. Stop falling into the hands of the 1%

[quote]Don't fool yourselves, America is not ready yet.

In 2008 many thought America wasn't ready for a black president. I'm not saying you have to like Pete or even vote for him, but it seems like some of you are just salivating for him to crash and burn. And that just seems odd to me, here on a forum populated by a majority of gay men. I'm realistic about his chances, but I like what he has to say and like the way he carries himself and I like the idea of Pete and Chasten in the White House. And while it may not happen in 2020, I'm proud that it could happen and like how he has brought us one step closer to the possibility.

It’s a bit of a bait and switch with Pete. It’s like a genie says you can have a smart, young, thoughtful, openly gay president. BUT. He’s a devout christian.

[quote]...it seems like some of you are just salivating for him to crash and burn. And that just seems odd to me, here on a forum populated by a majority of gay men.

R80, the DL is one of the most homophobic sites on the internet. There are people on here who hate the idea of a successful, openly gay man who seems to be comfortable in his own skin.

R82 A lot of us are tired of this guy and his husband being overhyped.

R82 A lot of us want to elect the best candidate, not just the first gay one to come close (which is not that much of an honor this year given that there are what 30+ Democratic nominees?).

A lot of women felt the same about Hillary.

Hope you don't get all upset whens straight, religious Republicans vote for straight, religious Republicans like themselves.

If Pete doesn't get the nomination, I think he would make an excellent UN Ambassador -- military intelligence background, learns things rapidly, very measured in his speech, worldly, and a polyglot. The Europeans would love him.

Pete is badly overexposed and has been pushed too early.

Mayor Pete seems nice enough, but I have yet to see any evidence he is running his own little city competently.

r9 from a political analysis standpoint, I agree. But as a Black man, I must point out that we don't mind throwing money at laid off blue collar workers or giving billions to farmers to prop them up in good and bad times. We gave money to the Japanese, free land to white settlers and reservations to Native Americans. What have A.A. received for their hardships fro Slavery through Jim Crow (which occurred in every region of the US official and unofficial)? Reparations aren't a hill to die on in 2020, but black voters (key demo in the primary) should be given the same level as attention and respect as farmers or other predominately white special interests groups.

There's always *some* reason a lot of posters here don't like any given openly gay man.

[quote], and who has staked his entire campaign on the idea that people will gravitate to him based on some flattering press—is being proved right.

Is this line from the article grammatically correct? Should it be "is being proven right?'"

Jezebel writers tend to write off white male candidates. He's gay? Big deal, that just adds to his privileged status. The only reason Sanders gets any play over there is his socialist leanings. Jezebel is intersectionalist ne plus ultra.

R89 Well they must not be white men because they will be the first to tell you to get over it. No other gay man has to like you just because you're gay.

[quote]Many ADOS Black voters want reparations in exchange for their votes or at least free college. Either one will guarantee a Trump re-election. In sum the reporter in OP is extremely biased.

1. Let's be clear: when people say, "(fill in the blank) will guarantee Trump a re-election" they're really saying (on any issue), "let's be less Democratic."

[quote]Why not be practical instead and guarantee clean water for 100% of all Americans? Then deal with the extreme violence the poorest Americans face daily in Chicago et al? Much more appealing & practical ideas to Independent voters.

2. Smart people realize that getting the black vote is important and who ever does will win the nomination. There's no way around it. That 30% of the Democratic voter base is important. There are many ways to get that vote as well.

3. Free college is something being touted by many of the candidates for [bold]ALL[/bold] people since it's a serious concern for millennials who faced astronomical prices for college attendance in an environment where many jobs list undergrad and graduate degrees as necessary. So saying, free just for "black people" is yellow journalism.

4. Saying reparations are about money is far from accurate. Many of the people asking for them aren't asking for money. They're asking for an end to institutionalized & structural racism and trying to find ways to accomplish that to level the playing field for the group. It's not about people who were slaves, it's about the echos of slavery that still haunt this country and their ancestors.

5. Stop underestimating the likability of a candidate. In many cases it "trumps" all policy. Many of the people that voted for Trump didn't care what he said. That's been pointed out here ad nauseam. They simply liked the fact that he was someone they wanted to have a beer with. Of course that's not what people should be focusing on but acting like they don't is bs.

6. Her problems with Pete are pretty simple: he's "too conservative" and she doesn't like his policies. (Although I recognize it's hard to get that with the way she writes this article.)

There's something that makes it difficult to connect with him, he seems a little to eager.

He comes across as too perfect.

I don't know what article the OP and the rest of you are referencing because the OP is already on ignore for past transgressions of some kind. (I pretty much only block the racists, the anti-trans fanatics and the orange traitor's trolls so...)

As for Mayor Pete, he's an interesting candidate with some amazing political skills. He's not ready for the presidency yet, in my opinion. But that "yet" is a real "yet" because he is the future of the Democratic Party and this is not his last election.

R95 exactly, it's almost as if he was created in a factory by the Dems.

He’s the straightest, educated, elitist, religious, whitest, Midwestern gay guy many of us know. He and his partner even met on the straightest app out there.

For all you queens salivating to get a gay guy elected, think twice if he really represents you.

You're so right, r98. Definitely need some guy who uses Grindr on a regular basis. Idiot.

R87, not that you're actually looking to read about his record in South Bend because I'm sure you've decided it's not good. But here's an article about his South Bend record. Not perfect, but better than anyone before him.

Pete Buttigeig is the best Best Little Boy In The World. But he is not liberal enough, not populist enough, and not visionary enough to be a good Presidential candidate. He is, at best, a Hillaryesque technocrat.

R92, Of course not, but they don't have to automatically hate them either, but that's often the case here on DL. Also, I don't know why you brought skin color into this. That didn't have anything to do with my point at all.

The whole article is based on guesses and half lies.

R101, anyone who wants to scrap the electoral college ans add sears to the Supreme Court is neither a technocrat nor a hillaryesque,

Jeez the Buttligieg troll is in full force today. Are you his side?

Newsflash: he’s gunning for President. You better believe not everyone is going to like him and he’s going to be ripped apart. Not just because he’s gay.

“I’m gay therefore I and all other gay men must support all other gay men without question.’ñ

What are you 12?

It sounds exhausting to live for a week in Esther's brain: I liked him, then I didn't like him, Build-a-Bear, Supreme Court, speaking Norwegian badly, they I sorta liked him, then I hated him.

A week long IV of Prozac might be the fix, or a good hard fucking.

R105, don't be an intentionally obtuse moron, no one said that.

Wang writes about Butt.

He’s smarter than most posters here

Too bad he’ll never get the nomination.

All this hoopla just for another reminder to gays that most of the country still doesn’t see them as their equals - even their liberal neighbors.

Pete won't get the nomination this time out, it doesn't mean he'll never get it.

He's the future.

Exactly, I couldn’t care less if he doesn’t get the nomination, but he’s an excellent candidate and doing well

I'd vote The Boiled Turnip ticket over Trump, so it's not saying that much, but I'd vote for Pete in the general.

Thinking you always get more than one shot at the presidency is even more naïve than thinking a gay person will never become president. Sometimes you only get one shot.

Maybe not in 2019 R114 but we'll get that shot in 3019!

Don't waste your vote on a candidate who will just detract from someone who can actually beat Trump next.

[quote]They're asking for an end to institutionalized & structural racism

People always use these buzzwords but never explain what exactly “institutionalized racism” is.

"Interrogating" makes no sense whatsoever in that headline.

Look it up, R116, obviously your computer isn't broken.

I just looked up “systemic and institutionalized racism.” It seems to mean “the inability for assholes of color to acquire education and manners” as exemplified by r118.

He’s not qualified to be President. And the husband is super annoying.

"Good manners are imperialist and colonialist, R119. They also negatively impact communities of color!"

[quote]add sears to the Supreme Court

Will there be white sales in January?

R109 School out for summer?

And yet, R118, I am white as the driven snow (if not quite as pure) and my family came to this country on the Mayflower. A restricted cruise line at the time, I do believe.

My education is typical for someone of my background, as are my manners. You deserve the benefit of neither so fuck off and die in the proverbial grease fire you reeking, cankered whore.

Just saw that he cancelled all of his Hollywood fundraisers.

Delayed, r125.

I like Pete because he IS a righteous gay man. He is a Christian conundrum.

He only seems perfect because we live in Trumpian times.

His simple decency is a stark contrast to the craven obscenity we come face to face every day with Trump.

Ugh. The humorlessness and bible beater horseshit is a problem.

I'm basically an atheist, but even I know that there are "good" Xtians and that the form of Christianity practiced by those who are against us, is practiced by people who are only Xtians in name only. The difference between Pete and those others is that Pete is actually the real deal, he wants to help others the way that Jesus wanted to help people (all people).

As Spring turns into Summer it'll be interesting to witness what Mayor Pete brings to keep us engaged in his candidacy. I'm all I'm for him, and adore him. But what's next? He seems to shut in his gayness in this most important month of our community. He has a campaign to run but he might be thinking too big picture.

[quote]Don't waste your vote on a candidate who will just detract from someone who can actually beat Trump next.

I’m not wasting any time, he’s a great candidate.

Plus r131, we are in DEBATE season.

We vote in PRIMARIES and Caucuses before the nomination.

We have lots of time to pick a candidate.

And I agree Pete is a great candidate.

r132

Pete is a great candidate, Bernie is a great candidate, Lizzy is a great candidate.

June is a great month, July is a great month, August is a great month.

There will still only be one Democratic nominee and one President elected in 2020. Neither are going to be Pete, and I'm accepting that now.

[quote]Pete is a great candidate, Bernie is a great candidate, Lizzy is a great candidate.

Well, ya got two out of three.

What are you interrogating these days?

True, R135. Pete and Liz.

When OP is done interrogating, will they move on to waterboarding?

Maybe Sunday

tl;dr

That is waaaaaaay to long for a personal anecdote.

R140 = proud gnat