ITV bans all-male comedy writing teams

r1 You have that page bookmarked, don't you?

What's the difference, other than a male comedy writer's out of a job? Women are routinely ignored, shouted over, or belittled when they're the token female of a comedy writing group.

That's a good idea, r2.

r3 One woman on a team is still better than nothing. Gotta start somewhere. Marriage equality (in the US) also started with only one state passing it at first...

And your point about a male writer being out of a job is patently ridiculous. How about all the female comedy writers who have never been employed in the first place because of this entrenched Boys' Club culture?

Just identify as female. Boom! Back on the team!

Please do not think this is positive news! It’s more public virtue signalling by British Television.

Take a closer look at British TV and you’ll see producers, writers, directors and actors who are all from monied backgrounds, educated at Eton, Oxford and Cambridge and highly connected.

Any women who get positions as writers will be from the same pool. A working class female will have just as little luck getting a script commissioned as a working class male.

That must suck for the League of Gentlemen guys.

Notice the phrasing of the ban - it's OK for the writers' room to be just one sex, it's just not OK if the sex is male.

ITV does comedy? I'm serious I just look through their schedule. The only thing that's a comedy before this Sunday is some Harry Hill thing

Would an all-FTM writing team be okay, since that's all men? What if it was all MTF?

[quote] And your point about a male writer being out of a job is patently ridiculous

Only your interpretation and connotation are patently ridiculous. Unless, as an ITV show producer, you know that the plan for writing teams is to lower the salary of the existing team members by a percentage that will pay for adding another team member, and not removing an existing team member.

My point, which you missed, is that one member who received a job after enforced diversity hires, even if she and the producer, director, stars all recognize her merit and contributions, has a challenge of getting recognition unanimously from an all-male team if they haven't worked together before. I'm thinking of Jane Curtin ("Saturday Night Live") as an example.

R6 has it.

Mic drop.

If they want to add a woman writer why don't they get Dame Edna?

What’s ITV?

I'm ok with it as long as the woman they hire can clean and cook and suck dick.

I wasn’t even aware ITV did any sit-coms anymore. They axed Benidorm, that was the last sit com thing I was aware they did.

[quote]r12 My point, which you missed, is that one member who received a job after enforced diversity hires, even if she and the producer, director, stars all recognize her merit and contributions, has a challenge of getting recognition unanimously from an all-male team if they haven't worked together before. I'm thinking of Jane Curtin ("Saturday Night Live") as an example.

And what are you going to do about it?

I'm good with this.

British comedy is the worst now with the exception of Tracey Ullman who is a naturalized American anyway. Virtual see signaling is ruining society. They should commission female produced or created shows not dictate writing teams.

British comedy is the worst now with the exception of Tracey Ullman who is a naturalized American anyway. Virtue signaling is ruining society. They should commission female produced or created shows not dictate writing teams.

I wonder how legal this is. Isn’t it veering into job discrimination, not hiring purely based on sex?

R22 You'd have to be a complete fool with a lot money to burn to allege in court that you previous writing team, which was 100% male, wasn't at all the result of discrimination but that your new one that has both genders is somehow a form of discrimination. That's nonsensical

R17 Birds of a Feather is supposed to come back at some point.

R24. ITV axed Birds of a Feather this year! Good call of this Virtual Signalling Commissioner to axe two established sit-coms that could have hired female writers, and then say it will hire female writers for a channel without any sit coms.

R25 No apparently that was mistakenly reported.

r23 thinks that when a gay porn company gets an all-male cast this can only be the result of sexism.

[quote]r25 ...to axe two established sit-coms

I thought this said [italic]shit-coms.

Redressing discrimination against women is "virtue signaling"?

Sexism is like super gross!

[quote]One member who received a job after enforced diversity hires, even if she and the producer, director, stars all recognize her merit and contributions, has a challenge of getting recognition unanimously from an all-male team if they haven't worked together before. I'm thinking of Jane Curtin ("Saturday Night Live") as an example.

Your grasp of SNL history is lacking, R12.

First, the original SNL had three women on the writing staff (Anne Beatts, Marilyn Suzanne Miller and Rosie Shuster) and two female associate producers (Barbara Gallagher and Jean Doumanian).

Jane Curtin was cast by the producers and writers because (she was great, and) her WASPy look contrasted better with Gilda Radner and Laraine Newman than the runner-up for her slot, Mimi Kennedy. She was not an "enforced diversity hire" — there were to be three female cast members from the outset.

Jane got plenty of recognition on the show but a) vibed poorly with John Belushi and Dan Akyroyd because she didn't put up with their bullshit, and b) declined all interviews. When Belushi and Akyroyd left in the fifth season, she got a lot more screen time. And she was Weekend Update anchor for four years.

She went on to win two Emmys after the show and work for over 40 years.

She didn't have a great time on the show, but it had nothing to do with an ITV-style hiring policy. Using her as an example here is just weird.

r23 uh, they have proof in that the woman SAID she was going to only hire female writers.

Before determining that the existence of all-male writer rooms is the result of sexism, an investigation should at least be conducted. Everyone here knows that nobody - absolutely nobody - would make the same accusations against all-female rooms.

The debate here is similar to that on gender compositions of university courses or career paths. To followers of Wokism, the fact that men are overrepresented in STEM courses can only be the fruit of discrimination, whereas the predominance of women in courses such as psychology and pedagogy they describe as merely a result of greater female interest or talent in these areas. The double standards can be seen from the moon, yet few will call it out in public.

[quote] Everyone here knows that nobody - absolutely nobody - would make the same accusations against all-female room

If there was a plethora of all female writing rooms or even a plethora of mixed gender writing rooms, the policy wouldn't have been instituted. So your complaint makes no sense

How can women suceed if they are encouraged to do things they are not suited for? Look at this especially egregious case of "wokism" in Japan. If this school hadn't virtue-signalled and treated women equally, they would not be taking places from men.

r34 Show me the data and I will believe you. There must be many since you're so confident of what you said.

One should never rely on a statement simply because it makes sense in the head of the person who made it (which is how The Woke normally do social science and history).

I would say that the opposite of what you said is probably true: that if all-male rooms were so common, that requirement would never have been made because fixing this situation would take time in too much and because there would be a risk of backlash from a large number of employees.

University courses again provide a perfect analogy. For, despite the fact that there are more courses with female than with male-biased gender ratios, mainstream discourse is more concerned with the small number of women in male-dominated courses such as STEM than with the missing evils in the Humanities or Social Sciences.

What is "mainstream discourse"?

Can't one of the guys just check 'female' and be good for it? They aren't gonna call it out.

r35 If you think situations are similar, take a look at r1. Women do not outperform men in talent for comedy. (As for the Guardian story, one has to laugh at the idea that a 0.5% difference at the entrance rate, which is probably far from being statistically significant, indicates female superiority on that subject. But demanding that journalists understand statistics is too much these days.)

Anyway, we're debating Western societies, and Western societies, unlike Japan, are full of rigging and fixes to artificially boost women's performance against men. Take a look at the story below, which shows a university increasing women's test-taking time on STEM subjects to help them match men (and they still failed). Interestingly there was no such effort to boost men on subjects they are at a disadvantage, which proves my point: that only male advantage is dismissed as evidence of discrimination, never the other way around. Female-only rooms would not be targeted for such measures even if they outnumbered their male counterparts. And I bet you know that deep down.

Wasn't very hard to find R36 Next time try google instead of Breitbart. You seem to be projecting quite bit. You are the one speaking utter nonsense without backing anything up. The Writers Guild Association, the union for TV and film writers, found that women make up less than 30% of TV writing positions and only 17% of film writing positions. They also make less money.

[quote] I would say that the opposite of what you said is probably true: that if all-male rooms were so common, that requirement would never have been made because fixing this situation would take time in too much and because there would be a risk of backlash from a large number of employees.

They are facing backlash. Every time someone attempts to tackle this issue, right wing twats swarm every board they can find just to angrily type "woke" and "SJW", as many times as possible. Remind you of anyone? But they are going along with it anyway because no one cares about a few incels throwing tantrums online

"missing evils" = "missing males"

No idea where the "evils" came from.

r40 Nice sophistry there. "Wasn't very hard to find" yet you've not found anything pertaining to what we're discussing.

What we are discussing is the incidence of male-only writer rooms, not the gender composition of the whole profession, which is the only thing that your data addresses.

How many nurses or teachers are male? I doubt it is much more than 30% (probably less in the case of nurses), and yet I am absolutely sure that you would never use this disparity as evidence of discrimination against men in those professions. So spare me the crybabying.

Unless there is complete segregation of the sexes, with women being 30% of all writers it is quite likely that most rooms are gender-mixed and that rooms with not a single woman are a minority, perhaps a small one at that.

[quote] Unless there is complete segregation of the sexes, with women being 30% of all writers it is quite likely that most rooms are gender-mixed and that rooms with not a single woman are a minority, perhaps a small one at that.

And yet another false assertion you pulled out of your ass that's easily disprovable with five minutes of work. You incels just make shit up, and then pathologically convince yourself your being disadvantaged. That mindset is so pathetic it just infuriates me.

Out of the 17(!) Star Wars movies, produced my multiple different companies, ONE writer on one movie was female. So yes, all male writing rooms seem to arise quite easily even with the gender split.

[quote]Out of the 17(!) Star Wars movies, produced my multiple different companies, ONE writer on one movie was female. So yes, all male writing rooms seem to arise quite easily even with the gender split.

Correct me if I'm wrong: but it's the first time Star Wars is even mentioned here, isn't it? I thought we were discussing the existence of discrimination against women in the writing sector as a whole, not in a movie franchise that does not even have to do with ITV.

What is happening is obvious: you made an assertion, that male-only rooms are the rule in the sector, for which, sadly, you have no proof whatsoever. And now, you're desperately trying to find the evidence via google, throwing on the wall things that don't have much to do with the subject in the hopes that one will stick.

Try again. Third's a charm!

And as expected, there was no response from you to this paragraph:

[quote]How many nurses or teachers are male? I doubt it is much more than 30% (probably less in the case of nurses), and yet I am absolutely sure that you would never use this disparity as evidence of discrimination against men in those professions. So spare me the crybabying.

You need female writers to create good and believable female characters. Seinfeld had 2 female writers which explains the success of the Elaine character. Friends, Frasier and Will and Grace all had female writers who created believable female characters that the audience could relate to.

I particularly like Julia Davis who wrote the British black comedy, Hunderby.

[quote] I thought we were discussing the existence of discrimination against women in the writing sector as a whole, not in a movie franchise that does not even have to do with ITV.

Yet you posted this nonsense.

[quote] The debate here is similar to that on gender compositions of university courses or career paths. To followers of Wokism, the fact that men are overrepresented in STEM courses can only be the fruit of discrimination, whereas the predominance of women in courses such as psychology and pedagogy they describe as merely a result of greater female interest or talent in these areas. The double standards can be seen from the moon, yet few will call it out in public.

And called it a perfect analogy to the writing room policy discussion. But actual statistics on movie writing hires is besides the point. Ya that checks out 🤣

[quote] you made an assertion, that male-only rooms are the rule in the sector, for which, sadly, you have no proof whatsoever.

Again let's look at your own post.

[quote] I would say that the opposite of what you said is probably true: that if all-male rooms were so common, that requirement would never have been made because fixing this situation would take time in too much and because there would be a risk of backlash from a large number of employees.

Zero consistency or coherence in what you say. When you read something your midget god Ben Shapiro didn't give you a premade reply for you just malfunction and say no one is following your very narrowly proscribed rules for the discussion. Rules you have made no attempt follow yourself. You have posted zilch, nada, no data on any part of the writing industry to back up even one of your assertions.

I chose the Stars Wars article as a useful example because the Star Wars franchise has unmatched variety. Star Wars has been though multiple production studios, directors, eras of the film industry, movie genres, you name it. Those are the makings of a useful sample, but naturally I expect such concepts are beyond you. The only skills you posses are watching right wing youtube and regurgitating the talking points endlessly

Fraus write very long and tedious posts.

[quote] You need female writers to create good and believable female characters.

Not an ounce of truth in that.

Writing should never be a team sport.

R48 Name one good comedy show that doesn't have female writers but has good female characters.

Men don't understand women so male writers can only create 1 dimensional female characters based on stereotypes with boring personalities.

r46

I was using the issue of gender composition in university courses, not as evidence of my arguments, but as an analogy of a more general argument: that disparities that favor men are treated in a very different way from disparities that favor women, even though one and the other often appear spontaneously, not due to artificial factors such as discrimination.

I don't think, for example, that the predominance of women in certain areas, such as nursing, is mainly a result of discrimination against men, and I also doubt that the predominance of men in comedy writer rooms results from sexism against women.

You, on the other hand, bang on and on about the thesis that the existence of EVEN ONE male-only room is self-evident proof of misogyny. But every time I mention female-majority careers, you simply ignore that part of my post. That's because you are a hypocrite who is only interested in gender disparities if they contribute to a narrative in which you, and only you, are the victim.

You should try and understand this: that if women come to outnumber men in a given career, then it is necessary that there be more men in at least another. Given that men are more likely to work outside than women, this is a statistical certainty. So don't think you can complain about writers rooms without looking at female-dominated professions.

And again: Star Wars, by itself, does not prove anything about writer rooms all over the English-speaking world. If the franchise had only one female writer in 17 years or so, their performance on gender integration is well below that of the industry as a whole, since, according to your own data, 1 in 3 writers are female. Therefore, your little example can't be generalized. And furthermore, even in this one example, the small number of women writers is not, by itself, evidence of discrimination.

Just another day of the world according to hypocritical "progressives".

Remember this Huffington Post photo they tweeted as an example of their diversity?

R50 if men can't write good female characters, could it be possible that women can't write good male characters as well? Could that be the reason why there are so many horrible M/M romance books published?

[QUOTE] A working class female will have just as little luck getting a script commissioned as a working class male.

To say nothing if that female is a non-binary Trans sex worker of color.