Two Transgender Activists Are Getting a Monument in New York

Did Marsha P. know she was a "transgender activist" or is this all TG revisionist history?

It’s revisionist history. Marsha identified as a gay man and drag queen

[quote]pioneering transgender activists who were at the vanguard of the gay rights movement,

Yikes! Erasing gay history and immortalizing bigotry. Johnson was not Transgender as it is on video when he says he is a man!

We need to flood the comments section of the article with the truth R3

Also, gay men led the stonewall rioting. Wasn't a Lesbian who told the gay man watching her get carried away to do something?

Absolutely shocking that SJWs see nothing wrong with co-opting the life of a dead gay black man to fit their own agenda.

Someone wrote that the majority of Stonewall patrons were POC. Were they???

Nope, the majority were white males, some Hispanics and a token Lesbian or two.

Stonewall masterpost (yes, even tumblr has its uses):

I just posted this in another thread, but it is very worth the read: an analysis by a Cambridge-educated philosopher of how the Transgender Lobby piggy-backed, used and finally co-opted the gay rights movement.

Are the monuments going to have a penis or are they post op ?

It is quite amazing how quickly the Trans lobby is managing to takeover so many different spaces from so many groups, they are being very efficient in turning a ton of different people against them.

The Transgender Lobby would be nowhere without its cynical use of gay activism, goodwill and now funds donated by corporations trying to score WOKE points.

How the T got into LGBT - trans activists interviewed on how they conned their way into LGB ( the New York Times)

I'm seeing articles saying Marsha "threw the first bottle" at the riots!! WTF!!!!! how are these lies being told and believed?

I thought it was a brick.

The Sylvia was not even at the Stonewall.

How many million paid for this ?

They were drag queens - not trans women - who weren't even there. They admitted it.

As R2 has already pointed out, Marsha did not identify as trans, he was a gay men who liked women's clothing, pure & simple.

Sylvia was a parasite and a criminal, he & one of his boyfriends used to beat and rob gay men.

Iirc, even DL fav Chrysy T called out this bullshit awhile back.

Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson were basically junkie street whores. But now they're like Jesus. It's ridiculous.

Sex workers, r21!!!!!!!!

They need to make a monument for old-school trans activist Alanna (Alan) Turning, one of the first women codebreakers in WW2 who helped crack the Nazi Enigma machine (fyi did you know that the nazi's identified trans women in the concentration camps with a patch displaying an inverted pink triangle?). Turing was one of the first high-profile trans women to go on HRT, but sadly committed suicide due to transphobia.

Sylvia Rivera didn’t consider himself transgender either

Sylvia Rivera gave us our rights. She gave us EVERYTHING.

I didn't realize your post was satire r23 ...

People actually believe that?

People like Wilson Cruz are peddling this story.

More erasure.

If you weren't trans or a POC, you weren't there.

I know it's terribly unfashionable these days to have any admiration for white middle-class gays, but people like Frank Kameny and Barbara Gittings, and all of their contemporaries had EVERYTHING to lose by coming out in those days. It's great that others like Sylvia and Marsha were also there, but they really weren't risking everything like the gainfully employed, middle-class gay men and lesbians were.

Poor Alan Turning had to take hormones or face jail time. That was the option he was given.

I submitted a comment stating how this was inaccurate and that they were not trans nor did they start the stonewall movement. NYT did not publish it and now comments are closed.

Of course they didn't publish it. Why disturb a nice fantasy?

[quote] I submitted a comment stating how this was inaccurate and that they were not trans nor did they start the stonewall movement. NYT did not publish it and now comments are closed.

R30, send it elsewhere to get it published. Make it known the NYTimes refused to publish it.

Lies need to be debunked no matter where they come from.

deBlasio's wife rules the roost it seems.

Francesca Xavier Cabrini and other female icons were denied honorary statues after a group controlled by First Lady Chirlane McCray tossed out the revered Catholic sister in favor of more women of color and a drag queen-turned-LGBTQ activist.

This despite Cabrini getting the most votes in a poll of New Yorkers on who should be included.

“The whole process was a charade,” said Harriet Senie, who served on the panel that weighed the poll results and recommended to McCray that the city honor groups over individuals.

"Mother Frances Xavier Cabrini, (America's first Saint) who received more nominations from New Yorkers than any other woman during the process, has been completely ignored,” Councilman Justin Brannan wrote to McCray’s office on Monday. “My simple question is this: why open this for a public vote and then ignore the results?” he asked.

You never heard about those two junkie whores until five minutes ago. Why weren't they talked about over the last 50 years if what they did was so important?

[quote]Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera, pioneering transgender activists who were at the vanguard of the gay rights movement...

That is complete hyperbole. They were basically two homeless tranny/drag queens used as feel good mascots by the gay movement, who learned over decades how to dine out on their loose Stonewall connection. Sylvia Rivera did actual advocacy but I'm not sure how effective it all was, but she still was an actual player for a short while, at least on paper.

They are both used by people to push the modern trans agenda.

That’s okay. The Statue of Liberty was supposed to be about slavery, but the immigrants hogged it all up.

R33 the de Blasios are such hardcore SJWs! Bill, in particular, is the perfect example of a self-loathing white with white guilt and a white savior complex.

I led it. I said, "Girls- whatever you do- make it witchy".

[quote]“This monument counters that trend of whitewashing the history.”

Because revisionist history is so much superior to, you know, actual historical facts.

[quote]“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” ― George Orwell, 1984

I guess we know who is currently in control.

The “Repeat After Us” part of the billboard in r10 is something only men would say.

Putting aside the history rewrite, how does one action net you a statue? Mother Cabrini got screwed in this decision and I say that as an ex-Catholic. Cabrini did more good in one day than those two did in their whole lives. I see Chirlaine is going out with a major 'fuck you' to her detractors. I hope her embezzlement is investigated after diBlasio leaves office. A goddamn shanda.

I'm not and have never been Catholic, but Mother Cabrini did a tremendous amount of good works for the people of NY and also in other cities. She certainly deserved to be honored.

Bill de Blasio and his wife and his education chancellor are racist.

I am trying not to wish terrible things on them, but.

[quote] Mother Cabrini did a tremendous amount of good works for the people of NY and also in other cities. She certainly deserved to be honored.

Not on my watch.

When does the monument go up?

It’s to the point where there’s nothing we can do. The trans have won. We lost. All we can do now is separate ourselves (Gay Men and Women) from what is now LGBTQIA+ and create our own little community. I can’t believe gay teens are going to have to come into this kind of world as gay men.

Oh for fuck's sake.

I ADORE these two bitches! I'm OK with the trans revisionists as long as these 2 get more recognition. Though it's a pity.

I loved old fashioned trannies and transgenders. I don't know WTF happened with today's crop of fame whore identity politics trans, they are mostly insufferable, but they are the most visible. There are still plenty of the old fashioned gays/gals who are trans around the world.

What did these two transgender activists do again? Secured gay rights or something similar?

We should all vandzlize these statues with stickers saying "NOT Trans....Gay men!"

The Death and Life of Marsha P. Johnson is a good documentary to learn about the coolness of this GAY MAN.

Sylvia Rivera was a genuine activist in the GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT and also trannies. She(He) was quite a character, flawed, but strong, and very outspoken. The tranny side of Sylvia and Marsha wasn't celebrated by factions of gay activists at the time. But still, they were cool. If the disgusting TRANS fame whores of today want to coop these two, that's a pity. But I don't think we gay men should ALSO rewrite history to say these 2 were nobodies and unimportant. We can just remember something of the truth and also remember there are a lot of shadows and today's TRANS pigs can't deal with "grey". It's all black or white.

So what acts did these activists do?

R53 They sucked alot of cock and sold alot of drugs, so of course they are tranny icons

Mostly they just called themselves "activists", occasionally showed up like sad-yet-revered mascots for the Gay Pride Parade/March and learned how to cadge free meals from their ever more creative tangential connections to the Stonewall Riots, which were mostly fabricated.

I can't tell you exactly what their "advocacy" entailed, nor can anyone else. They were basically poor, bedraggled street hustlers who needed the free meals and teeny bit of fame their stories could earn them. How many homeless crossdressing street people do you know who are effective social justice operatives? Oh, and can you buy me a fried egg sandwich and a cup of coffee?

Marsha can be seen in a few photos of the events of the first or maybe second night of Stonewall dressed as a man, waaaay in the back row smiling broadly, surrounded by gay white men. See photo- Marsha in white shirt). Does he look like he's been throwing bricks?

Johnson stated early on that Rivera wasn't even there, but instead already drunk and passed out thirty five blocks away in Bryant Park. None of these facts are secrets, but younger gays are so lazy and disinterested in facts anyway.

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.

R6

They put the Stonewall statues in blackface and slapped a clown wig on them. SJWs are extremely racist.

I'm starting to think there is no such thing as "peak trans."

This is the most "the emperor has no clothes" moment of my adult life.

Sylvia robbed my neighbor on Perry Street, W. Village, of his credit cards and jewelry while cleaning his apartment. She even had the nerve to accept the money for cleaning at the time. This poor guy was recovering from a stroke and needed help, not a drugged up tranny who steals. He was an easy victim and she took full advantage. Luckily, he was able to get her out of his life after that. She was an ugly piece of shit with no human decency...everything was about her and for her, a true sociopath. Good luck to all your tranny revisionists who think these are good people.

What about Rachel?

Or Candy Darling?

She was much more closely aligned to current "trans" than the other two (she considered herself a woman, not a drag queen, right?)

So gay rights finally happened in 2015 and lasted all of like 2 years until they were just folded into the trans agenda.

R55 dismissing younger gays as lazy is annoying though. Whose fault is it that you lost control of the narrative, r55?

I’m sorry but as much as this is revisionist bullshit, so are many of the stories and bullshit you all are saying.

Stonewall was not only white men, there was always at least a couple of black gay men in there also, and a couple of lesbians and Hispanics. There was almost always at least 1 black man with his white gay friends there. This idea it was all white is NONSENSE.

Many Trannys were not allowed in gay spaces back then. Many gay bars did not allow Trans people in, even in the 80s. Stonewall did. That is one bar Trannys and Drag Queens frequented.

Marsha and Sylvia were street hustlers, LIKE MOST NYERS AT THE TIME. You know, ACTUAL NEW YORKERS. Not TRANSPLANTS like yourselves.

R63 It's true. Look at any RPDR thread. Any place on Reddit where young gays congregate. They speak in absolutes; they don't do shades of gray. And always, always hyperbole.

R65 Tell us all about the thousands of trannys running around NYC in the 60s, great wise lying cunt

NOOO!

r64, you are still CREATING MORE "FACTS"!!

Stonewall was NOT EVER A TRANNY BAR! You sound delusional, so unwilling are you to admit that actual HISTORICAL facts do not comport to your silly SJW gibberish!

That poster didn't say it was "tranny bar" - only pointed out that occasionally trannies got away with being inside.

I never said it was a Tranny Bar. You put those words in my mouth r67. You also sound hysterical.

I said it was a bar that did allow them.

[quote]I said it was a bar that did allow them.

Stonewall did NOT ALLOW them! It was NO HAVEN to anyone wearing women's clothing, although a couple might have slipped by! It was as intolerant as any because cross dressing was AGAINST THE LAW and would get an already illegal "gat bar" shut down! Where are you getting your information? Your friends who are under 25 years old? Try Google!

Pete and Chasten Buttigieg promote these lies.

The revisionism is nauseating. The SJW/Trans activists are taking advantage of the fact that 99% of the people who were actually there are long-dead.

Kamala Harris, another Gay Rights historian has also stated that these brave trans women of color gave us our rights! That's how I knew she was a craven opportunist and idiot!

Why are you all bitching about it now? The WORLD Pride Parade was literally dedicated to these two.

[quote]Many gay bars did not allow Trans people in, even in the 80s. Stonewall did. That is one bar Trannys and Drag Queens frequented.

Then this loon says:

[quote]I never said it was a Tranny Bar. You put those words in my mouth...

I don't believe that children are our future.....

"most" NYers were hustlers? That seems illogical, if the majority were hustlers, who would hire them?

In the late 60s, 70s and 80 NYC had a lot of street hustlers. Whites were a minority and fleeing the city.

Preach it r28! I can only imagine the courage it took for people like Frank Kameny and Barbara Gittings to be openly gay back in those days. We owe them so much, but all you ever hear about are these junkie street whores and how they were responsible for everything.

Oh shut the fuck up.

Yes it’s so brave for white People to risk not making as much money.

Give me a fucking break. Thank God you all are the minority worldwide and it’s getting smaller by the year.

r64 absolutely DID imply stonewall was a tranny bar, and everyone calling her out is 100% correct. I was going to post about it later, but found you beautiful historically accurate queens beat me to the punch. r64, stop with the LIES!

I never said it was a Tranny bar. I said they would go there. Doesn’t mean it’s THEIR bar.

r79 They did in fact risk everything.

Sylvia Rivera herself said that trans weren't allowed in Stonewall.

Is it me or does the wording on the sign in R78 look fake and not a font one would expect for that era?

They risked NOTHING. R82

R84 it’s photoshop

Their livelihoods for one r85. But anyway there's no arguing with a person like you so just forget it.

Good. Maybe they need to feel what their black and Hispanic counterparts feel everyday r87

Keep on being a victim, and you'll get nowhere in life.

I’m 32 and somewhere trash. Maybe you should step in our shoes before looking down on us CRACKER

R90 Fuck you are an idiot, never breed

r91 none of us are breeding, that's what being gay is all about. Anyway, r88 is a troll confirmed.

[quote]I’m 32 and somewhere trash.

You got that right, at least.

Read up on Barbara Gittings. We owe her so much.

You old white men think the world still revolves around you. Things are changing. That’s why now you need to claim non whites as white to keep your numbers up.

Thank GODDESS r95 has Oprah Winfrey to pray to every day.....

Otherwise his exalted racism wouldn't look quite so "sassy"!

Minorities can’t be racist.

R95 Are you The Vixen? Your inferiority and persecution complexes are really strong

[quote]Minorities can’t be racist.

Hardy HAR!!

This trans appropriation of gay men of history reminds me of the Mormons who "convert" non-Mormon historical figures.

Erase and rewrite history......we are so in Orwellian times it is unbelievable.