The Ohio State Groper

[quote] OP: Ohio State has concluded that a team doctor sexually abused at least 177 men, [bold] including many varsity athletes, [/bold] while working for the university in the 1970s, ’80s and ’90s.

I know that OP is only quoting the article, but I laughed with black humor when reading this. As if the varsity team is more important than not.

Should I be offended that I was at OSU during that period and he never groped me?

Did he examine you?

No, but I did

It has been reported that many of the victims were Ohio State football players

I live in Columbus and have been hearing this for too long now. They've got like 150 accusers now with their hands out, trying to get some of the inevitable billionaire dollar $ettlement. How does one prove abuse? Or is the university like the Catholic church- dispersing blank checks just to get it over with?

My only question is: wtf lays there and lets someone grope their junk? They were all adults!

R6, he had power over them. Why are you siding with an abuser? Are you a sociopath?

And I loved it. I LOVED it!

Ended in suicide? God, what a cliché.

Without pics this thread is meaninglessness.

Yeah I need to see a picture of the doctor before I can decide if I'm appalled or jealous.

Look, I think we all wanna know how this (dis)impacts Sen Gym Jordan (R)-OH.

^^THIS!

R6 I asked that question about the young men at USC and was accused of being a sociopath on that thread. I guess I was just a cynical college boy because I would have identified Dr. Perverted's M.O. immediately.

[quote]Or is the university like the Catholic church-

You mean like letting it go on for a hundred years, covering up for pedophiles, transferring an accused abuser to another school without informing anyone who he was or why he was reassigned repeatedly, paying the rent on apartments solely used for criminal sexual escapades right there in the heart of the school's administration, and when victims came forward, harassing (or worse) them into silence, and pretending like the whole thing was just a one-off occurrence of a misguided individual who was excused because of the position he held in society?

[quote]dispersing blank checks just to get it over with?

You say that like it's a bad thing...

[quote]wtf lays there and lets someone grope their junk?

...queries someone who obviously never participated in the rarified air of highly competitive, exclusionary and patriarchal college sports, where one offhand remark can see you kicked off the team and banned from school sports nation-wide.

Is there video proof of all those virile young men who were asked to strip?

Video has surfaced.

I'm in no way excusing what happened here and elsewhere with my comments.

So much of the creepy shit we are now openly dealing with through MeToo and having Trump as president, this stuff was the norm when I was a kid. Adults were corrupt and self-seeking and demanded unquestioning obedience. Grift and graft were normal. Pedo rumors about adults were common and likely true. My parents warned us about several men in our town. But I learned as a teen that there were even more chesters that nobody knew about. If you were a kid in the 60s-90s, you were a potential molestation victim from many of the adults in your life. And yes, other adults protected the wrongdoers and attacked the whistleblowers every time.

How the hell is that on youtube.

I was young during that time. You know open nudity in locker rooms. Guys showering together. Coaches in the cages. Men and boys naked around each other.

I must have been too fucking ugly. It sure as hell didn't happen around me nor anybody I knew about.

And I'm not saying it didn't happen to others. Just that I was extremely homely and unattractive so that while it may have been swirling all around me I was completely oblivious.

18 posts before it's a Trump thread. Just a tinch below average for the treason gals.

r21, maybe you should have gone to Penn State or Ohio State

Groped 177 guys.....that's in Kevin Spacey territory

Dr. Perv obviously was quite pervy on those guys if so many remember how gross it was. Ohio State should pay out if they knew and swatted it away for years.

He was also in the Navy (of course) and was a team doctor at Harvard - did he abuse anyone there, too? Someone needs to do some digging.

R22's contributions to Datalounge including calling AIDS "ass cancer." Where is my pic of that one piece, I wonder?

I wrote ass cancer because the topic of what AIDS was being called at the time came up within the thread. Here's where you can read me calling you a cunt.

Some of the men suing Ohio State are football players who played in the NFL

" It sure as hell didn't happen around me nor anybody I knew about. "

Even now, talking about sexual abuse with your Bros is against the Guy Code, back then the average high school or college-age jock boy would DIE before he admitted that he'd been sexually abused by an older man. His pals and fellow jocks would be much more likely to attack him for being gay or submissive, or failing to defend his manhood or failing to control the situation, than to be sympathetic or supportive. So young men kept quiet.

And that's why pervs like that could get away with it for years and years, especially one like this who had the power to do harm. If he said there was a physical reason the jocks couldn't play they were off the team and lost their scholarships, so that kept them quiet. At least some of the guys had the balls to go to the administration, and if the administration kept that guy on after multiple complaints then they deserve to lose every dollar they're about to lose.

It’s a crappy University

Now, I am about to perform a penis procedure that sounds a lot like tonsillectomy. It's a tonsil.lick.do.me.

Wow R 29, if that's true though that some of the accusers are among the ranks of the NFL, methinks it's gonna be harder for the likes of Rep. Jordan to wriggle his way "scott free" this time.

[quote]Why are you siding with an abuser? Are you a sociopath?

Are you a woman?

If he was hot - or even average ( I'm a whore darlin' ) I'd have let him do it . If not I'd have stopped it . What's the big deal ?

This thread is making me INCREDIBLY HORNY.

It all sounds very hot - especially the rec center steam room activity back in the day

r35, what does being a woman have to do with it? The victims are all male. r38, it probably wouldn't be that "hot" to a straight man

Agree with those who said the guys he did this to were afraid to tell anyone.

Apparently, several of them told their coaches but the coaches dismissed it as nonsense. The coaches were probably afraid as well.

In those big, visible schools with the name recognition sports programs, nobody wants to jeopardize their own job or the school's reputation.

In the first place, many of those coaches are hoping to move up to the pro ranks. Even if they aren't, other coaches in the other athletic programs are and they won't take too kindly to have the school name and athletic departments dragged thru the mud.

Athletes who speak up can get kicked off the team and coaches who speak up can be "let go". People quickly learn this and learn to keep their mouths shut.

Especially then young men who may have been worried about being seen as "queers".

It's disgusting that people get away with this.

R40, thanks for a sane perspective. Can't believe some of the victim blamers around here.

In addition to what R40 said...

Some if not all college football programs are very authoritarian. The coach has the power to kick any player off of his team and cancel any athletic scholarships involved, so for anyone who's not a star player, your education and your future depends on the coach's goodwill. Some coaches abuse this power and are dictatorial assholes to their student-athletes, certainly there are coaches who'd ruin a kid's future because he might make the team look bad, because he was suspected of being gay, or he directly or indirectly questioned the coach's authority. And yes, the coach's first priority is to win enough games to get himself a job in the NFL, so they sure as hell don't want any scandal attached to their name, so yes. There are definitely college football coaches who'd hush up any perving done by their staff.

r2, I guess the doctor wasn't a chubby chaser.

More about the football players

[quote]I live in Columbus and have been hearing this for too long now. They've got like 150 accusers now with their hands out, trying to get some of the inevitable billionaire dollar $ettlement. How does one prove abuse? Or is the university like the Catholic church- dispersing blank checks just to get it over with? My only question is: wtf lays there and lets someone grope their junk?

You may lived there, but clearly you didn’t go to this or any other college, based on your writing skills.

I dated an OSU grad a few years ago. He told me some tales of 1980s cruising in the huge gymnasium, that had a new wing and an old wing with a sauna and a shower hall where lots of cruising, boners and outright sex took place. He liked to describe his college experiences as foreplay. Hot stuff.

Fuijui

What exactly did he do? Groped them? What else? Any penetration? I want details!!

R48, the full report is online. In a few cases, he jerked guys off until they ejaculated. In other cases, he digitally penetrated guys. There was one case where he sucked a patient off, then pulled down his own pants as if he wanted the patient to suck HIM off, but the guy got the hell out of there

[quote]There was one case where he sucked a patient off, then pulled down his own pants as if he wanted the patient to suck HIM off, but the guy got the hell out of there

Not before, though, huh?

most football players aren't that hot anyway. Most are just a bunch of fat oompa loompas anyway.

One thing I forgot is shower voyeurism, he'd shower with the athletes as an excuse to ogle them. One athlete said he'd take 6(!) showers a day.

The full report

"During the appointment, Strauss also asked Student B if he was gay and asked Student B questions about his sexual desires....Strauss had an erection and pressed up against Student B....Student B also stated that Strauss became immediately cool towards him when Student B told Strauss that he was in stable relationship with a partner."

bumping

The doc was not much into the rectal exams. Strictly into cocks.

The athletes needed this:

@AP

A smartphone app developed by Japanese police is being widely downloaded by women trying to protect themselves from gropers on packed rush-hour trains.

R56, I think at least a couple guys said he digitally penetrated them

As salacious as these details are, I just want the informatiin in this case to circle back around to Jordan NOW! Step down, get him off the playing field and resign in disgrace! Is that too much to ask?

People are calling out Gym Jordan on facebook

Gym Jordan needs to be dragged into this scandal as frequently and loudly as possible.

He's such a drama queen toadie.

Gym is a fraud and a freeper asshole

Sounds like he worked his way through the football team:

Dayton attorney Michael Wright said he represents about 60 victims, including about 50 former football players, who will file suit later this week.

Approximately 30 wrestlers and gymnasts described a sexualized and voyeuristic atmosphere in the Larkins men's locker room, showers, and sauna area....The student-athletes described the voyeurs as men who appeared to be college-aged, as well as older men appearing to be in their 60s, who were routinely present in the men's locker rooms, showers, and sauna, watching the student-athletes shower....students also described how certain voyeurs would engage in masturbatory type of behavior (e.g. vigorously "soaping" their genitals), or masturbate while watching the students shower (typically from within a nearby toilet stall), as addressed further below

I wonder how many of the men were kinda stimulated by the groping (some of them ejaculated) and didn't report it due to feelings of shame about that?

"The student-athletes described the voyeurs as men who appeared to be college-aged, as well as older men appearing to be in their 60s"

Larkins Hall was open to anyone affiliated with the University: alumni, current and former students and staff, etc. I met several gay guys in the 80s who said they worked out there and I thought it was odd at the time, to go to a campus to do that.

What I find incredibly haunting is how eerily similar all these tales of sexual abuse by priests, teachers, doctors, and coaches are. The victims are vulnerable, conditioned to trust authority figures. And we live in a culture that prizes stoicism and assertiveness from men. It ends up with the victims blaming themselves for what happened, or experiencing shame that they allowed themselves to be used by these men.

Like the Catholic Church, this is an institutional failure on the part of universities and schools. They protect themselves at the expense of the victims.

Rep. Jim Jordan disgusts me. He knew what was going on. Like others, he turned a blind eye to what was going on. Now, he says the report vindicated him. He's just like the craven despot he serves, who believes the Mueller Report vindicated him!

Oh, the poor darlings. "He touched my wee-wee!! He touched my wee-wee!!"

R68 thinks straight men love being groped by other men

New lawsuit. 37 athletes are suing Ohio State for covering up the abuse. Most are football players.

Which football players got groped?

Why do they file these lawsuits after the perp is dead and, therefore, can’t do jail time? As far as I’m concerned, this guy got away with it.

R72, they are suing the university for covering up the abuse.

That doesn’t surprise me, they have the deep pockets. My point was this guy is dead. He will face no consequences for this.

One of the groped wrestlers is suing Gym Jordan's cousin for harassing him!

Gym Jordan is getting hammered on twitter

Gym should get hammered every day, everywhere.

True

Good

Gym Jordan has meth mouth and jock itch.

How many wrestlers did he suck off with that mouth?

When I read stuff like this I wonder- what was going on with those athletes? Yes he should have been disciplined- fired. I too was a college athlete- letter man (varsity) all 4 years. I was 6'2" and 180 lbs. If any coach groped me (against my will) I would have twisted his arm off or decked him. And I'm gay, and I knew I was gay back then. I didn't give a rats ass about power when it came to my personal safety, then or now. So I wonder.

Now if this happened to me when I was 11 or 12 or younger- very different.

"If any coach groped me (against my will) I would have twisted his arm off or decked him. And I'm gay, and I knew I was gay back then. I didn't give a rats ass about power when it came to my personal safety, then or now. So I wonder."

Sure you would *rolls eyes*

Guys say stuff like this, because they think it makes them seem more macho. In reality, you probably would have been too intimidated to do anything, like all those big football players and heavyweight wrestlers

R83, it wasn’t the coach, it was a team doctor. Big difference. They may not have put themselves in the mindset of “groping” as much as necessary for the exam at the time.

I hope I’m being clear. As a patient, if your doctor says “you need a prostate exam, bend over,” at college age, I doubt you’d think anything untoward of it. That’s how these guys get away with this shit.

“I need to feel for a hernia....”

More people are suing the school - and they're calling out Gym Jordan

Text of the new lawsuit

Gym Jordan is a piece of shit

Jeffrey Epstein's former best friend, Les Wexner is a BIG donor to Ohio State University

^ wow, I didn't know that.

[r71] Which football players got fingered?

r91, don't know. So far they are all anonymous.

Every time I see this thread I read it as "grouper" and think its about fish!

Where’s the videos? Pictures? Only then can I make an informed opinion.

Here ya go:

"He saw me naked!"

"He touched my wee-wee!"

"My wee-wee got hard and so he started stroking it!"

"Precum started oozing out of my wee-wee, so he put it in his mouth."

"I ejaculated and he swallowed it!"

"He stuck a finger into my butt and I groaned, so he put two fingers in!!"

"He took out his erect penis and shoved it in my butt, and I screamed with pleasure!"

"When he was finished, he grabbed my head and kissed me aggressively and told me he loved me."

"When I got back to my dorm I started thinking I might be gay, and that's when I knew that HE WAS A MONSTER!!"

"I've thought about that encounter a thousand times when I masturbate, and after I'm done and wiping up my cum, I'm reminded that though this was the most exciting thing that ever happened to me, it was wrong and I cannot think of myself as gay."

"Whenever I have anonymous sex at truckstops and steam rooms, I think back to my time with the doctor, and hate him for falsely making me think I was gay."

"He must be destroyed."

r96 sounds like a loon. Since when is it okay for doctors to grope their patients? I guess you think every guy who doesn't want to be groped by their doctor is a homophobe (btw, at least one of the victims is openly gay)

People who are defending this guy are sick.

Of course he groped them. It was his job to spot hernias. Duh.

And if they got hard, they would still see it is as abuse, but he wouldn't. Double duh.

That said, I hope he had a three way with the Hamm brothers!

Speaking of Metoo, most serial killers are surgeons, but it will be years before people start taking a more skeptical view of them.

r99, he groped them in situations that had nothing to do with hernias. Try again. Did you defend Larry Nassar, too?

I read somewhere that guys who had been “examined “ by the doctor would laugh among themselves when they knew a new teammate was going in for his “exam” because they knew what was going to happen but wouldn’t warn the new guy.

When I was young I had a handsome young pediatrician. Every exam involved him examining the testicles and holding a finger to the taint and asking you to cough. Every doctor did this and it was considered just part of the job, like when a barber cutting your hair would press his penis into your arm as he was trying to cut your hair. Anyway, one time he did this and my dick sprang erect. He said, "oh" and went and locked the door. The nurse pounded on the door and demanded to be let in. She said, "I won't let you do this, doctor" and so there I was with a hardon for the entire rest of the exam as they bustled around. I tried a few of the moves I used with barbers, like crossing my arms on my chest and extending my hand under my arm to try to grope his crotch. Barbers usually liked this, but the doctor only pushed his pelvis back once or twice, the other times he pulled away which was embarrassing as the nurse could see how far my hand had wandered. Anyway after the exam they asked my mother to wait for fifteen minutes and then she went to see the doctor to "talk" about me. She idolized this doctor, and flirted with him, but when she got back to me she was all business. You're too old for a pediatrician now, she said, we have to find a new doctor. And that was that. I wonder what he said to her, if I was portrayed as a pre-teen sexual predator, or what, but nothing was ever said. Back then perverts had a place as barbers or pediatricians, and it wasn't the cause of hysteria.

[quote]He said, "oh" and went and locked the door. The nurse pounded on the door and demanded to be let in. She said, "I won't let you do this, doctor"

[quote]most serial killers are surgeons,

WTF?

Wow, there are some sick people posting here

30 more guys are suing, including a dozen ex football players

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? These adult MEN should have stood up, punched him in the face and called the police. That would have prevented years of assaults.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? These adult MEN should have stood up, punched him in the face and called the police. That would have prevented years of assaults.

"Whatever happened to personal responsibility?"

Um, doesn't that mean taking the responsibility to NOT assault guys? Why does responsibility apply to the victim and not the perpetrator.

"These adult MEN should have stood up, punched him in the face and called the police"

Assault is a crime - Spacey could call the police on THEM and lie about the situation. Who is to say the cops wouldn't side with a movie star over the victim? And Spacey has been beat up before (remember the phone stealing incident?) and it didn't deter him from assaulting other guys.

Whoops, I was getting this thread mixed up with the Spacey one. Disregard r110, although I think you are silly to think "personal responsibility" only applies to victims but not abusers. They were athletes on scholarship who could easily have their scholarships taken away if they "rocked the boat"

I bet the doc could spot immediately the type of guy he could molest. Probably some awkward, poor farmboy there on shot-putting scholarship or something, first kid in the family to go to college. Maybe a little horny, maybe a little bi (some of the guys ejaculated).

Typical predator.

I think this is so gross and sad. But honestly I wonder sometimes if the reaction to these admissions always needs to be lawsuits and settlements. The guy is long dead. Take down the statues for these perverts. Put firm policies in place so this will never happen again, but why does a football player need to be paid money from a college because in 1985 their doctor got them hard during a strep throat exam? I would really be annoyed if I was a student at Ohio State and my education was being cut or limited because of some payout.

Addendum I feel the Catholic Church is different and should pay up to the wazooo.

[quote]Whatever happened to personal responsibility? These adult MEN should have stood up, punched him in the face and called the police. That would have prevented years of assaults.

Yes, we all would have liked to have done that if we had been in their place. Chances are we would have acted no differently. This doctor was an authority figure to these young men. It's ingrained in us (especially men of their generation) to respect authority figures. This might even be more so with athletes on a team, where the word of the coach or member of the coaching staff is sacrosanct. Plus, oftentimes victims of sexual assault freeze up in terror/disbelief/survival as the assault or abuse is taking place. afterwards, there's a mixture of shame and guilt that keeps the victim silent. They probably beat themselves up asking why they didn't push him away or fight back.

We don't mean to do this, but we're playing into a notion that male victims of sexual abuse or rape are in part to blame for not fighting back. It's as if they were not acting as men should. The reality is that for the above-stated reasons, these men could not just "fight back."

Went in for heartburn, got milked.

The closet fucked up Strauss as it did any parish priest.

His actions were criminal, and he should have been punished for them.

[quote] We don't mean to do this, but we're playing into a notion that male victims of sexual abuse or rape are in part to blame for not fighting back. It's as if they were not acting as men should. The reality is that for the above-stated reasons, these men could not just "fight back."

I know what you mean and you are correct. I think it's hard for some of us to reconcile football players inaction while getting molested with the football players who would kick the shit out faggots like me for fun in school.

And to continue what R117 said -

we are talking about young men, barely older than HS age. And quite frankly, college men who were at OSU in the pre-Internet age, which meant that they were probably far less savvy about the world, about sex and about guys like Strauss.

Many of these guys came from small farm towns in the region. They may have been on a football scholarship. In any case, this is the bread basket of the country. People follow authority and it's not their first line reaction to question it, let alone reject it, and we are taught from young ages to respect doctors, like firemen and police officers.

I mean yeah and no. I would think even a small town kid on a scholarship knew that he didn't need to be masturbated to be diagnosed for strep.

Another contributing factor to the silence around this case and abuse in general was the lack of a supportive environment. To whom could these young men turn? As their testimony and interviews state, their concerns about going to this doctor were brushed off or ignored. Look how even in 2019 with a more supportive environment, abuse still occurs. And denial of it

R119 Of course. I meant more that they may not have been aware enough to know to question when the guy asked them to take off their pants, etc. for, say, strep.

And as R120 said, they wouldn't have known what to do after.

Am I the only one who finds this particular allegation just a little bit fishy:

[quote]Nutter said he once contracted poison ivy on his genitals from doing work outdoors, and the pain was so bad that he reluctantly made a late-night call to Strauss, who told him to come to his home. He said Strauss had him lie naked in a candlelit bedroom with photos of unclothed men on the walls and groped him for several minutes.

I’ve worked outdoors almost my entire life. I’ve never gotten it on my dick. In fact, I’ve cruised in woods and never gotten it there. How does that happen? So you call the doctor in the middle of the night, he says come to my house and puts you in a room with candlelight and pictures of naked guys. None of this raised a red flag to you? Then he groped you for “several minutes”?

To be clear, I’m not in any way saying these allegations didn't happen, I just get leery of potential “jump on the bandwagon” people who, since the doctor is dead, may see dollar signs.

R122 that sounds like a doctor I'd like to make a house call too!

Admittedly, me too.

"I would really be annoyed if I was a student at Ohio State and my education was being cut or limited because of some payout."

I'd be annoyed if people at my school knew the abuse was going on and did nothing to stop it. You are missing the point about why they are suing - it's not just that they were abuse, it's that people at Ohio State knew about Strauss and didn't do anything.

Back then, these boys most likely weren’t even aware of such thing as sexual abuse. They probably just thought the doctor is a big queer who discreetly made them feel good by jerking or sucking them off .

r126, at least a couple people reported the abuse AT THE TIME

There’s no way to defend this creep.

r128 is correct