"I am not a master fisherman but I know a bait when I see it. And I am not taking it" - Pete Buttigieg

Loved that. Perfect.

The Bernie bots are itching to call him a fag

Oh dear, R2. You are going to have to do better, much better.

It was a pleasure blocking R2.

I kind of want to wait a few months and then binge watch all of Mayor Pete's interviews.

Smart dude. Point Pete! But why, Andersen

^^^^^^^^

Anderson any day over the insufferable Chris Cuomo.

Well, it’s a good development because the other candidates have been to easily falling in the foreigners traps. The right wing does it too.

Democrats need to stop letting divisive issues define them.

There needs to be a strong subtext of unity when answering these intentionally dicey issue prompts.

R9 Yes, answer them, but not with an obviously practiced line. Be fucking authentic. It came off as craven and pandering.

R10, I thought it came off as decisive and smart. It basically said, I'm not interested in bullshit.

To what was that line in response?

r12 did u even watch the video in the link @ OP ?

r2 is probably correct this was a prepared line

I like Pete but he had that one saved and was just waiting to use that "clap back" (yes I hate that term too)

R14 Of course, and it sounded like it. I want to like Mayor Pete. He’s making it tough the more I learn. WAY too much Jesus for me. And, I’m not a Russian bot. Hillary supporter leaning towards Beto and Kamala.

[quote] I like Pete but he had that one saved

They all have lines saved up and ready to fire. "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy."

There's nothing wrong with having prepared responses for certain types of questions.

R12 is not paying attention, therefore does not deserve an answer.

R16 He is not so much about Jesus as he is about scripture which is tolerable to many and has universal understanding.

Who cares if it was a rehearsed line. If it was then good on him. Shows he’s a seasoned politician. The sentiment was genuine. I loved the face he made “I’m not the one to be messed with”. Bet republicans and many democrats are scrambling to find dirt on this guy lol

I actually thought the line was cheezy. I want to like him but he is so corny.

He’s for taking care of the poor and needy, the original meaning of Christianity. Cannot understand why so many are so threatened by the slightest mention of religion that is the complete opposite of Trumpism.

On the other hand, Warren has spoken about her religious beliefs in much the same way, but it’s wonderful when she does it and horrible when he says pretty much the same exact thing.

Great line.

He just is such a dweeb and his husband is grating, the possibility of having a gay president is exciting but he just is so nerdy. I guess that's how some females felt about Hillary Clinton, they were excited about a female president but wish it could have been somebody else.

How tall is Buttigieg? He's shorter than Anderson.

The comments in this thread are dumb. All politicians are over prepared and are coached in almost everything they do. Hillary Clinton was the most over coached candidate I have ever seen. If you can support the Hillary robot, then you can support Mayor Pete.

Love him.

It was a pleasure blocking R27

He did his homework. Refreshing! A million miles from COVFEFE, lol

What's Beto up to? I want to see his abs.

Boy Beto? King of the no answer, answer? He’s jumping on some restaurant table, or the roof of some car, to speak to his crowd. What a narcissist. Not impressed.

Lame.

Beto is wishing Mayor Pete was never born.

Looks like all the Google search interest is with Pete and, to a lesser extent, Warren.

Does Beto have cumgutters?

Another one.

A little on the smug side

I can't take Beto seriously with his fake latin name.

They were all better than Trump would have been at a similar town hall.

[quote]If you can support the Hillary robot, then you can support Mayor Pete.

But the thing is, we don't have to. There's plenty of other options. I like him, but I'm leaning toward Elizabeth Warren myself.

Kamala in Vermont. OK.

Bernie is so old. Come on. Haven't his positions been co-opted already?

R40 Trump can work a crowd very well, but everyone by now knows he's a liar and a psychopath by now

Lame dad joke

He's bland and Trump would walk all over him. The only good thing about Biden entering the race is that we'll finally stop hearing about this guy.

And his constant pandering about religion is massive turn off as well.

Yes, many of Pete's lines are rehearsed but he also has a quick wit. When he appeared on Bill Maher's show he ran circles around him so don't underestimate him if he does go head-to-head (no pun intended) with Trump. He'll easily hold his own.

And Trump won't be able to call him a faggot or a cocksucker like he wants to do

I don't like the Jesus stuff either, but I understand why he's doing it.

I'd rather Kamala.

I think Kamala is the most overrated of the bunch. She relies on RBF too much when she can't come up with a response to an unexpected question.

It was brilliantly dismissive that Pete basically told the gay Repig lapdog Richard Grennell (the one from whom the question came) to go to hell.

Pete and Biden or Biden and Pete! Midwest meets progressives. ying and yang. Old and new. It’s fun to think about

Pete shut that convo down. It may have been a rehearsed line but he knew when till use it and his timing was perfect.

What was the question?

R52 Two privileged cis white male? No thanks.

EVERY FUCKING THREAD. EVERY FUCKING THREAD.

It was an attempt to bring the Pence controversy back to life but Pete is too smart for that.

Is a presidential candidate supposed to be unprivileged? I'm assuming anyone who wins the presidency was offered the best education and resources America can offer. All presidential candidates are privileged.

Anderson was kind of a cunt to Pete tonight.

How far back do you have to go to find an unprivileged President? Abe Lincoln?

Joe and Pete the ones to beat!

Love that Pete was able to work masturbation into the discussion.

I wish Anderson had asked top or bottom .

[quote] How far back do you have to go to find an unprivileged President?

LBJ

Too underprivileged. Today he'd be written off as a deplorable.

"I may not know much about politics but I know a good party man when I see one"

LBJ 's father was a state representative and his grandfather was president of Baylor University. I wouldn't call that underprivileged.

[quote] Who cares if it was a rehearsed line.

Everyone who sobbed like babies because Mean Mommy Hillary was "over prepared" better care, otherwise they're hypocrites.

I hate how trolls are pretending to be huge PB supporters so they can sow more division between liberals. The guy is pro corporation and too pro Jesus for me, personally, but if I say it suddenly I'm a homophobe and a Trumpster.

I'll vote for him if he wins the nom but let's not turn into gullible fools and pretend like he's not centrist or that this line was authentic or genuine. A politician is a politician.

To r60

Bill Clinton - single mother (father died before his birth), raised partly by grandparents who ran a small store, and an alcoholic stepfather. Received scholarships to attend college.

Barack Obama - was not a child of a wealthy family. He attended Punahou on scholarship from the 5th grade to high school graduation. Received scholarships to attend college.

Harry Truman - was a child of the middle class. (Farmers, etc.) Did not have funds to attend college. However, he was a successful businessman as an adult.

Nixon (may a pox be on his name) - also started life modestly. Eisenhower was from a solidly middle-class family.

Though they might have entered political life with the help of substantial donations, none of them started as wealthy men from wealthy families. (Some earlier Democratic Presidents were from wealth - Kennedy, Johnson, Roosevelt). Republicans since Nixon were born into wealthy families, (Bushes, Trump) or, in the case of Reagan, became wealthy fairly early in life.

There's no doubt that winning the presidency confers almost automatic wealth - book deals, board memberships, speaking deals, etc. I think that somehow presidential candidates get at least some of their campaign donations after the campaign is over, if there is any left over. (I think that should be illegal).

Of course it's prepared. It is because he is prepared.

What was the question!!!!!!

What is the question? I can’t get video right now,

Richard Grennell accusing Pete of "pushing a Jussie Smollett style hate hoax against Pence for several weeks".

[quote]Richard Grennell

That fucking dramatics queen

R2, Mayor Pete is no empty suit, but you're very much an empty head.

[quote]Anderson was kind of a cunt to Pete tonight.

Pics please.

Pete’s Jesus speak is a direct attack on Republicans hypocrisy on the true meaning and teachings of Christianity.

Listen between the lines, ladies. He’s making inroads in the heartland or 4 more years of Trump.

In formal Townhalls and debates, Pete needs to wear a suit jacket. He running for the presidency and should always look the part.

Good! It was exactly the right retort aimed at the ugly Trumpist toad Grenell.

Grenell is such a cunt and so shitty at his job that there are serious calls for declaring him persona non grata here in German politics.

He did a fantastic job last night.

I played the video 5 times and can’t make out the question. Is it why does he support Jussie Smollet? Or why does he not support Jussie Smollet?

It's so cute that people think that Pete has any chance of being Prez.

Once someone is overhyped they end up been a empty suit. They don't tend to live up to the extreme praise.

Yesterday morning Pete had to get up early and officially open a local holiday with a media event, signing some document and carrying out some ceremony. Then fly to New Hampshire and get ready for the Town Hall. He went on at 11pm last night. He had about an eighteen hour day yesterday. He was tired and it showed. Too bad it happened to be that exact same day and there was no getting out of either one.

R23, atheist here and I totally agree. He’s come out hard for the separation of church and state, but likewise about being a moral leader. wherever he gets that morality from I’m fine with, so long as my morality isn’t condemned

R82, that’s the fault of the praisers

Crazy to me that this offhand remark is getting all the attention instead of Warren's actual policy proposals.

I'm ready for those debates now.

Love the line or hate it, spontaneous or rehearsed, that is the type of comment that wins votes.

Unfortunately most voters don't study the issues, or the candidates policies, they vote on how the candidate makes them feel. That is why Trump got so many votes, Trump didn't act like all the other politicians and voters wanted something different.

Many see Pete as something different, clearly there are people who don't like him but it isn't about the individual voter it is about winning over the masses. Pete appears to be doing that with some voting groups but he will need to find a way to appeal to older women and blacks if he is going to win.

It was a pleasure blocking R81.

" I may not be a bottom, but I can tell when you're fucking me over!"

If he really wants to be President he should wait until 2024 when he won’t have to run against Trump.

why?

Candidates with extreme positions and cult followings will automatically cause division within the party. Non-Democrats trying to hijack the party will also cause division.

trump has extreme positions

Pete B is extraordinarily impressive as a speaker. I don't think a small town mayor should be jumping to the Presidency but I'd like to put some fire underneath the other Dem candidates

This is the first time I've seen a town hall debate and I've realised this format is just not for me as everyone keeps meandering and giving their life stories instead of answering the questions directly. Campaign talk exhausts me.

The rapid-fire debates can't come soon enough. We'll see who's all talk and who ready to do actual business then.

I see your point about the format, but it serves as an introduction to the candidates.

[quote] I don't think a small town mayor should be jumping to the Presidency

Then who should be jumping into the presidency? Phony, corrupt billionaires with zero government experience, but passable ratings on a reality show? I'd like Pete, even if he weren't gay. Well educated, severed his country, happily married, kind of corny in that dad joke kind of way. He inspires people He's perfect for the job.

On another note, I really wish you Kamala people would help me understand what you see in her.

^ Kamala (I'm assuming) has a vagina. Some people really want a woman to be president.

Kamala is not extra ordinary, and that’s why it’s difficult to prove she has any advantage above the norm.

I don't get it either. If anything, I find her obnoxious.

Her support also seems to benefit from a fear among white liberals that black voters will only be motivated if there is a black person on the ticket. I would counter that from my feelings by saying that for every person she "motivates", she will lose more than one voter who is turned off by her in places like Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.

I would love to vote for a woman to be president, but just don't throw me any woman. I was proud to vote for Hillary Clinton. That woman put in the work (maybe not so much in the Rust Belt) but I was honored to vote for her, because she was qualified and ready. I don't get that from Kamala at all. Maybe she needs to work on getting her story out there. For instance when Pete described his issues with being gay and coming out. He got me. I knew this guy and wanted to vote for him. Then I listened to everything else he had to say and I was all in.

So fed up with identity politics.. You are ruining this country. I want a woman therefore I vote in any woman?

[quote]Her support also seems to benefit from a fear among white liberals that black voters will only be motivated if there is a black person on the ticket.

She’s barely black.

I liked Kamala’s anecdote about how she hosted other prosecutors and taught a seminar about how to defeat the “gay panic” defense in court.

[quote]severed his country

That can’t be good.

The Kamala voters seem to have a segment, not all but some, who want either a black person or a black woman, and they want to attack anybody else. They’re like Berniebros, burn anything in their path.

That’s a big turn off for me and makes me take her less seriously. If you’ve got the goods, people are enthusiastic about your issues, not angry that anyone else dares to run against you and get any traction.

If you look at her overall as a candidate and not a minority group, she’s kind of blah.

Warren and Harris will be the final front-runners.

Trump will win in 2020, sad to say.

Clearly the subgroups in our Dem coalition are going to destroy each other.

I get so tired of people who lose their mind about "identity politics". Guess what sweet cheeks, all politics is identity politics. The republican party mantra "if it's straight, rich and white, then we're all right.

The strength of the democratic party is our diversity and inclusion. But in the primaries, I'm not just going to vote for someone because they check off a box. I will vote for Warren or Kamala if they are the nominees, but not in the primaries. They've done nothing to excite me and both seem kind of blah.

So will I, R109, but all these fanatics with their “my way or the highway” worry me. It looks like half the big Democratic voter blocks are going to refuse to vote for anyone but their Precious, even if that person isn’t doing well and we lose.

It’s traditionally been the custom that everybody fights until the primaries are over, then we all vote for the nominee. That ended with Hillary and Bernie.

Now it looks like we’ve gone to the next stage, 20 candidates and at least 3-4 cult groups who won’t vote for any of the rest, guaranteeing Trump a win.

They seem to have completely lost sight of the goal of getting rid of Trump. Or maybe they never cared to begin with.

[quote]Now it looks like we’ve gone to the next stage, 20 candidates and at least 3-4 cult groups who won’t vote for any of the rest, guaranteeing Trump a win.

If you'll remember, this is exactly how the Republican primary played out last time, and it doesn't seem to have hurt them. (Ted Cruz wouldn't even endorse Trump at the convention! That's a lot worse than Bernie and Hillary.)

The process is only just starting, you can't make predictions now about what happens by the time of the convention.

Last week it was speaking French. This week it is this corny quip. I predict that next week he will introduce the world to his rescue dog. And then the next week, he will reveal himself to be a weekly volunteer at his church's soup kitchen.

Buttigieg/Warren or Warren/Buttigieg, that's where I'm at.

[quote] I predict that next week he will introduce the world to his rescue dog.

His one eyed rescue dog

And no, one eyed isn't a euphemism for penis.

One eye, three legs.

Answers to Lucky.

[quote] This is the first time I've seen a town hall debate and I've realised this format is just not for me

Plus CNN has a history of planting stooges in the audience posing as ordinary random citizens, and then later we learn that questioner is a high ranking campaign worker.

R112, honey, you sound super naive, all politics in the US has always been that way.

Pick one to narrow the field:

Old white man: Biden or Bernie

Young personable: Pete or Beto

Black candidate: Kamala or Cory

Woman: Warren or Giilbrand or the kombucha lady

Biden/Pete/Kamala/Warren

Not a master fisherman - but is he a master baiter?

Biden

Pete

Kamala

Warren

Is Kamala not a woman?

The format probably has to do with the timing. Keep the big guns holstered but get your face out there.

Slap faces when Andy coop tells you

[quote]Trump can work a crowd very well

Not a random crowd or a CNN crowd in a venue he doesn't control. He can only work his rabid base. Everywhere else he tries, he's met with scorn and derision.

[quote] And, I’m not a Russian bot.

Of course not, Dmitri.

Trump can't work a crowd

Trump can barely speak English. He is not some charismatic orator.

I watched each of the town halls, personally I think Kamala would not answer some of the questions she kept talking about " having a conversation"...I am not a big Bernie fan but I thought he did well last night. Also not a huge fan of Warren but she has some very clear policy initiatives and how to pay for them, but she just does not seem to ignite a crowd. Mayor Pete did well overall and Klobuchar was at best ok. I am not presenting the matches below as what I want, because I want to see how the next 8 months play out, but I think Bernie & Warren would be a good ticket as they both have a lot of the same ideas and he is much more charismatic than her but she is the policy wonk. I also think Biden and Mayor Pete would be a good ticket mostly because of the strategy of Biden maybe taking back PA and Pete getting Indiana and the two of them cementing most ( not Ohio probably) of the mid west states...

R112, you are way behind the times. Remember, these are young people, they know how to use social media.

Everyone in South Bend knows these dogs by name. I saw a clip of an interview with the Buttigiegs (all four of them) last week. A well-known national news reporter called one of the dogs by name when he appeared. I think it was Buddy. The other one is Truman. Both rescues,

These dogs have 62,000 followers.

I've never heard of a "master fisherman."

I've heard of a master carpenter and a master gardener, but not a master fisherman.

Biden/Obama would be a great ticket. But she won't play.

R112, and what's so horrible about any of those things? He is what we need right now. Someone who is brilliant, articulate, compassionate and has a quick wit. Instead of a thuggish bully who has a vocabulary of 5 words, can't spell, puts babies in cages and likes to call people ugly nicknames and has temper tantrums like a toddler.

We need Pete and Chasten to adopt a cute but differently abled brown baby >WIN WIN

They already did, R136.

Buddy on twitter

I posted a while ago on a different thread that I thought Harris and Warren would eventually emerge as the front-runners.

I still feel the same way after watching last night’s town halls. Warren is very impressive and is the most qualified candidate. Harris has charisma and would easily trounce Trump in any debate and make him look like a fool.

Buttigieg and Klobuchar would be very strong VP candidates.

Harris and Klobuchar would also make excellent Attorneys General possibilities if they don’t make it to the final ticket.

Anybody can beat Trump in a debate. Hillary wiped the floor with him. The voters proved they don't care about those things. I hate to sound like a dick, but some of you really need to get your head out of traditional politics. The voters have shown, they don't care about experience, tax returns, possible Russian involvement, decorum, the power to appoint qualified individuals for high level cabinet positions, whether or not he first lady was a whore and on and on and on.

It's a new day. All bets are off. There is nothing they can hit us with, that we can't hit back with a million times over.

[quote]Anybody can beat Trump in a debate. Hillary wiped the floor with him.

No she didn’t. Trump owned her with his “because you’d be in jail” remark. That’s all most people remember about those debates .

Can you all not see the irony?

Even when the Democrats have the most inclusive and diverse group of candidates EVER, it's the THREE WHITE MEN who are ahead in the polls. One hasn't even declared himself a candidate (yet).

I agree R142. That means people say one thing, and vote another way.

Or possibly the amount of minorities that vote isn’t enough to push a candidate over, and they mainly act as spoilers stopping a particular candidate, but don’t have enough votes to make a candidate win.

...or the other candidates suck and are just using their "diversity" to get votes.

I hope you guys realize that Mayor Pete is a minority. If you include Bernie in this discussion, he is Jewish (a minority).

[quote] Trump can't work a crowd

If your definition of "work a crowd" = disregarding facts/truth and telling whatever blatant lies the audience desires to hear.

If your definition of "work a crowd" = spewing overt white supremacist rhetoric to white supremacists voters.

Then yes Trump is very talented at working a crowd.

So does that make him a master baiter?

[quote]Muriel is bought and paid for by the DNC.

The DNC pays its fucking buck-fifty per month. On time. No fucking chargebacks.

Can you say the same r146?

R144, left that one out out of politeness. But that’s probably the real one.

People will vote for a cantaloupe if they like it. That’s another reason, and probably the main one. So they don’t like the failing candidates as well, evidently.

I inherited a bankrupt DNC. Obama wasted all the money.

Just like white women, gay white men are considered minorities. Mayor Pete is also a diversity candidate if we are being completely honest.

R152 While technically true; I'm not sure that people really buy that.

Mayor Pete is a man married to another man. He's a minority. Also, all of these comments from gay men about how America won't elect a gay president further illustrates that he is a minority.

R162, the comments I read by people attacking him describe him as a “white man.” As in, white men are ineligible to run for the Presidency because it’s Kamala’s turn. I don’t see anyone else’s supporters that are so vehement.

So, Pete's no master baiter?

he needs to become a mass debator

The fact that Pete has prepared lines, well thought out, for expected questions, means he’s smart enough to be prepared. It’s a qualification, not a disqualification.

Anybody who can’t do similar should be disqualified.

Donald Trump might be the only politician who doesn't adequately prepare before speaking in public. Most, however, prepare a lot.

Smart and good, I say Warren and Pete. Rest are meh.

Biden's a fool. Bernie is nasty. Kamala is calculating. Cory is closeted. Kristen is mean. The rest I don't remember. And that's the problem with Beto: vague.

Beto should have done a town hall with the others. It made him seem like the other were serious and he wasn’t. People would like to hear more details from him.

I really like Pete - I am a little worried that Chasten is coming off too fem and that will be what makes it hard for some to vote for Pete that might otherwise be able to if looking at two masculine men together.

How is going to win if all he talks about is masturbation and buttplugs?

I'm in love with Pete. I wish I wasn't , but he's my favorite ! I wanted anyone but Bernie , but Pete has my heart now. I might donate to him (something I rarely do before a primary).

Chasten is the best thing going for Pete, like Michelle was for Barack.

Chasten does remind me of Michelle. He has that very cordial “I love everybody” attitude. And he runs the Buddy and Truman twitter and Instagram accounts.

Biden/Warren

Warren ain't doing shit. Stop mentioning her.

Warren shot herself in the foot with that DNA test bullshit. And doing it right before the midterms pissed a lot of the establishment Dems off.

Also that reparations bs she’s bringing up will turn off white voters. It doesn’t poll well at all across ages and political affiliations. Any democrat going into the general with that as part of their campaign can kiss any hope of winning the presidency away.

I don’t even want Warren as Senator anymore, with her stupid budget busting ideas.

The Dems will lose with reparations talk and transkids talk/policies

This is what it boils down to:

Blacks: I want reparations. If you won’t give them to me, I won’t vote for you.

Everyone else in America: I hate reparations. If you give them to blacks I won’t vote for you.

Native Americans: If you’re going to be giving out reparations... *cough cough*

Blacks: I don’t care. Nobody deserves reparations except us.

Now what?

R171 the latest is Boston Bomber voting

Yes, R173, definitely. Stupid! What a brilliant, winning position.

Reparations talk and transkids talk/policies and the Boston Bomber voting

Do they want to lose? Is it because they are rich and want Trump's tax cuts? Is it because they get Wall Street money and will do nothing about healthcare and widening economic inequality/misery/job loss etc.

[quote] Everyone else in America: I hate reparations. If you give them to blacks I won’t vote for you.

I thought it was just as much, if not more so, an sjw white thing?

That’s a great talking point for Republicans, although last night outraged were attacking anyone that didn’t agree with St. Bernard.

I can even see that as a Republican attack ad:

“Democrats want the Boston Bomber to vote! (Film footage of one orange-jumpsuited infamous murderer and rapist after another). Do you want these votes cancelling yours out? Are these the people you want deciding your family’s future? Stop them! “

Bernie just walked right into it, but of course he doesn’t care.

R175, there may be some white SJWs that want reparations, but when it comes down to it, I doubt they’re going to boycott the nominee over it. Maybe stay home or vote for Bernie, who probably won’t be the nominee again.

It’s really hard for me to take people seriously that have all these extremist views and think every single one of them is a deal breaker. “Free ice cream or I won’t vote! Free sammiches or I won’t vote! Open all the prison doors and let everyone out, I am against all prisons!” I actually read that last one today. These people are either Russian trolls or the stupidest people that ever existed.

I'm really dismayed at all the gay male vitriol directed at Warren.

She's gutsy, smart, and tough as nails. Petey's the next best thing to a born-again Xtian, Kamala slept her way up (Willie admits it!), Beto is pretty but vapid, Bernie's issues are best left unsaid, Biden is decrepit (but less so than Bernie), and nobody knows any of the other candidates.

It's a shame the way you guys hate women. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

R139, your slip is showing!!!

[quote]Petey's the next best thing to a born-again Xtia

Holy fuck, he talks about dating apps and drinking too much, you’re a fucking troll. Trump loves ad hominem attacks, keep it up, he’s super pleased right now

R170, what budget bust? Trump has increased the deficit ten fold, what the fuck are you yammering on about??

R178 Warren is the main one championing stupid policies like reparations. She needs to sit down.

R144, you’re right. Many people still shrink at the idea of a Jewish leader. ANd many many, regardless of background consider a gay man, “other”. They are both minorities.

I meant r145

Warren:

Debt forgiveness for college debt

Wealth tax, on income already subject to income tax, to pay for affordable housing

Reparations

Instead, how about this:

Raise the inheritance tax from 0% to 5% on estates over $5 million. Index it so billionaires pay far more, maybe 70%.

Repeal the other Trump tax cuts.

Allocate a third to a half of that new government tax income to deficit reduction

Then allocate the remaining money towards tuition and housing help. But in neither case, should it be completely free. People need to contribute, when they get subsidies.

Tired of people who are hostile to all possible mentions of God or religion claiming “they’re all the same.” Are Jerry Falwell and Dr Martin Luther King Jr really just the same? Franklin Graham and Gandhi? Spoiler: NO.

If you’re not smart enough to realize that just because somebody believes in God, it doesn’t make them automatically evil, you have no powers of discernment. There’s a broad spectrum of people that believe in God and/or were raised in a religion of some kind. On one end is Hitler, the other end is Jesus. If you want to sit there and argue that Jesus and Hitler are of equal value, you’re an idiot.

That’s like the people who said they weren’t voting because “Hillary and Trump are exactly the same.” And they’re idiots too.

Why'd OP get greyed out?

R187, Some Trump troll is going around FFing Democratic threads. Go up there and WW.

The fawning over this dude is sad. "Quote of the year?" Why are your standards so ridiculously low?

R186, indeed, jimmy carter, a born again, is as progressive as it comes, he sort of is the exception that proves the rule about fundies, but it’s a weirdly unfair claptrap

I still want to know what this statement was in response to. Can't see anything in the OP.

R191 It’s on YouTube.

I’m a master

It made me think of "master baiting"

Master badger

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