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Cher is against the migrants coming into LA!

She has some valid points.

by Anonymousreply 402Last Friday at 5:50 AM

She's going to get dragged.

by Anonymousreply 104/14/2019

I hope she stays strong. Millions of Californians and Americans in general agree with her.

by Anonymousreply 204/14/2019

She could cut her daughter's food budget in half and use the money to feed the immigrants.

by Anonymousreply 304/14/2019

Lmao r3, oh it’s her “ son” now. Lol

by Anonymousreply 404/14/2019

this won't end well

by Anonymousreply 504/14/2019

I think all of you bitches should be forced to lick an immigrsnts asshole. You love them so much. Pigs.

by Anonymousreply 604/14/2019

R6, you have reading comprehension issues. Majority on DL are against illegal immigration and wants a limit on the legal ones.

by Anonymousreply 704/14/2019

Is immigrant asshole on the menu at Burger King?

by Anonymousreply 804/14/2019

we are full. it is true. california does not take care of it's own.....why the fuck should every migrant be allowed in the USA?

by Anonymousreply 904/14/2019

R9, because Trump is president. The media and the Democratic Party has no problem deporting and incarcerating illegals.

by Anonymousreply 1004/14/2019

When a Democrat is in the White House.

by Anonymousreply 1104/14/2019

and if Trump wasn't in office, the Democrats would acknowledge this a the crisis that it is

by Anonymousreply 1204/14/2019

LA and SF have an insane homeless problem right now. Bringing more people in just isn't a good idea at the moment.

JFC, it's not like we still have factories and manufacturing centers to employ all of these people, like it's still the 1900s.

by Anonymousreply 1304/14/2019

It’s beyond a crisis. We do not have the room!

by Anonymousreply 1404/14/2019

Cher is being welcomed into the Republican Party on Twitter, LOL

by Anonymousreply 1504/14/2019

I am a liberal too and I have been against uncontrolled massive migration to Europe.

by Anonymousreply 1604/14/2019

Cher is no dummie.

by Anonymousreply 1704/14/2019

this is the issue that will hurt Beto; talking about tearing down the existing wall in El Paso

by Anonymousreply 1804/14/2019

And Newsom.

by Anonymousreply 1904/14/2019

Isn't L.A. mostly Mexican now? It's only fitting; they owned it before the white men came over from Europe.

by Anonymousreply 2004/14/2019

R20 Like all those conquistadors that created Mexico?

by Anonymousreply 2104/14/2019

There were like 10 Mexicans in California, it was a desert land and they had no idea what the fuck to do with it. They basically gave it to the US at bargain basement prices just to be rid of it. Flash forward not too long later and Americans built a giant infrastructure and civilized the whole damn place. All of a sudden Mexicans were like "hey, that's OUR land!" They suddenly wanted it back, wonder of wonders.

by Anonymousreply 2204/14/2019

Everyone can’t live here. Nearly every other country has strict requirements about the value you’ll bring and won’t even consider you as a candidate unless you ADD value to their economy.

This is one of those issues where the hatred for Trump has people thinking irrationally.

Letting people flood in doesn’t really help them either. If you’re connected to the community, you’ll see instances of people being overworked, horrible conditions, not being paid (because what’s someone illegally here going to do, call the police). If they can’t make a livable wage, they end up living in the same type of crime ridden community they were trying to flee.

by Anonymousreply 2304/14/2019

Well, I don't see her volunteering at the soup kitchen. Talk is cheap.

by Anonymousreply 2404/14/2019

No other countries allow birthright citizenship, or for people to travel through different countries and to claim asylum. Trump has attempted to eliminate this, somehow other countries who don't allow this act like he is crazy.

The wall would be another solution, but that is insane, even though Democrats had this as part of their immigrant plan as well. Or maybe it was just fencing, but it was there.

The only other solution would be to get Mexico to help, but that never will happen. A wall on the southern border of Mexico to stop the flood of immigrants would be easy, since that border is very short compared to the US.

by Anonymousreply 2504/14/2019

Many countries have birthright citizenship and some allow asylum seekers from "safe" third countries, R25.

by Anonymousreply 2604/14/2019

Cher, you in trouble, gurl!

by Anonymousreply 2704/14/2019

R26, some countries only allow birthright citizenship if the parents have a specific type of visa.

You can’t just come to the country on a tourist visa, push out a kid there and claim citizenship for the kid.

by Anonymousreply 2804/14/2019

Didn't asylum used to be for war, or natural disasters, not I just want to come to the United States?

I thought only Canada allowed birthright citizenship at this point.

by Anonymousreply 2904/14/2019

Birthright citizenship - Jus soli.

Also, Canada accepts asylum seekers that have travelled from the US all the time.

by Anonymousreply 3004/14/2019

Why is she still in this country anyway??? She promised to leave if Trump got elected. Good riddance.

by Anonymousreply 3104/14/2019

I agree with her.

by Anonymousreply 3204/14/2019

This is cracking me up. She’s so anti-Trump, but when it’s in her backyard, then she immediately parrots his idea. Typical Hollywood. I love Cher and her outspokenness, but she is so pampered and isolated from the world that it’s hard to take her seriously in issues like this.

by Anonymousreply 3304/14/2019

Stolen, like everything else by the white man:

"In 1846, a group of American settlers in and around Sonoma rebelled against Mexican rule during the Bear Flag Revolt. Afterwards, rebels raised the Bear Flag (featuring a bear, a star, a red stripe and the words "California Republic") at Sonoma. The Republic's only president was William B. Ide, who played a pivotal role during the Bear Flag Revolt. This revolt by American settlers served as a prelude to the later American military invasion of California, and was closely coordinated with nearby American military commanders.

The California Republic was short lived; the same year marked the outbreak of the Mexican–American War (1846–48). When Commodore John D. Sloat of the United States Navy sailed into Monterey Bay and began the military occupation of California by the United States, Northern California capitulated in less than a month to the United States forces. After a series of defensive battles in Southern California, the Treaty of Cahuenga was signed by the Californios on January 13, 1847, securing American control in California.

Following the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (February 2, 1848) that ended the war, the westernmost portion of the annexed Mexican territory of Alta California soon became the American state of California, and the remainder of the old territory was then subdivided into the new American Territories of Arizona, Nevada, Colorado and Utah. The lightly populated and arid lower region of old Baja California remained as a part of Mexico. In 1846, the total settler population of the western part of the old Alta California had been estimated to be no more than 8,000, plus about 100,000 Native Americans, down from about 300,000 before Hispanic settlement in 1769.

In 1848, only one week before the official American annexation of the area, gold was discovered in California..."

by Anonymousreply 3404/14/2019

It wasn't stolen, Mexico failed to administer it properly.

"In 1821, the Mexican War of Independence gave Mexico (including California) independence from Spain. For the next 25 years, Alta California remained as a remote, sparsely populated, northwestern administrative district of the newly independent country of Mexico.

After Mexican independence from Spain, the missions, which controlled most of the best land in the state, were secularized by 1834 and became the property of the Mexican government.[47] The governor granted many square leagues of land to others with political influence. These huge ranchos or cattle ranches emerged as the dominant institutions of Mexican California. The ranchos developed under ownership by Californios (Hispanic residents native born in California) who traded cowhides and tallow with Boston merchants. Beef didn't become a commodity until the 1849 gold Rush.

From the 1820s, trappers and settlers from the United States and the future Canada arrived in Northern California. These new arrivals used the Siskiyou Trail, California Trail, Oregon Trail and Old Spanish Trail to cross the rugged mountains and harsh deserts in and surrounding California.

The early government of the newly independent Mexico was highly unstable, and in a reflection of this, from 1831 onwards, California also experienced a series of armed disputes, both between regional areas, and also revolts against the central Mexican government.[48] During this tumultuous political period Juan Bautista Alvarado was able to secure the governorship from 1836 - 1842.[49] The military action which first brought Alvarado to power had momentarily declared California to be an independent state, and had been aided by American and British residents of California,[50] including Isaac Graham.[51] In 1840, one hundred of those residents who did not have passports were arrested, leading to the Graham affair.[50]

One of the largest ranchers in California was John Marsh. After failing to obtain justice against squatters on his land from the Mexican courts, he determined that California should become part of the United States. Marsh conducted a letter-writing campaign espousing the California climate, soil and other reasons to settle there, as well as the best route to follow, which became known as "Marsh's route." His letters were read, reread, passed around, and printed in newspapers throughout the country, and started the first wagon trains rolling to California.[52] He invited immigrants to stay on his ranch until they could get settled, and assisted in their obtaining passports.[53]

After ushering in the period of organized emigration to California, Marsh helped end the rule of the last Mexican governor of California, thereby paving the way to California's ultimate acquisition by the United States.[54]"

by Anonymousreply 3504/14/2019

Thank God one of these celebrities has finally spoken some sense!

by Anonymousreply 3604/14/2019

Two years ago Cher was all for housing Dreamers in her mansion and urged everyone else to do so (though of course she didnt)

Funny to read this shit now.

by Anonymousreply 3704/14/2019

Cher is not exactly a tree of owls, but we've known that for quite some time.

by Anonymousreply 3804/14/2019

At this late date, who gives a shit about Cher. People used to have deeds written so they couldn't sell to Armenians. She really should know better.

by Anonymousreply 3904/14/2019

When was the last time Armenians were running the border?

by Anonymousreply 4004/14/2019

Dear Cher,

By "your city," I assume you mean Los Angeles. Fine. But you don't live in Los Angeles, Therefore, we will be sending the asylum seekers to the real "your city."

See you in Malibu, sweetie. You, Babs and Goldie can work it out.

by Anonymousreply 4104/14/2019

OP also wrote this:

-- Nancy Pelosi Was Right On Impeachment

[quote][bold]Trump will be re-elected[/bold]

[quote][bold]Democrats only care about destroying Trump and helping illegal immigrants.[/bold]

-- Depression over Mueller Report

[quote][bold]The final balloon of hope popped. It’s over[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 4204/14/2019

R23 gets it

by Anonymousreply 4304/14/2019

Yes, r23 presents a good explanation of reality, contrary to what many people would like to hear.

by Anonymousreply 4404/14/2019

R42, And? So what

by Anonymousreply 4504/14/2019

Has anything even started?

by Anonymousreply 4604/14/2019

An illegal hit my mom in her car a few months ago. No ID, no driver's license, no insurance. The cop just let him go. Thankfully she wasn't hurt. Last week, an 80 year old neighbor was driving and an illegal immigrant hit him, flipped the poor man's car over and fled the scene. Many of them drive very recklessly, because they know there will be no repercussions. Yet we as citizens have laws about our driving. There is something wrong with this scenario!

by Anonymousreply 4704/14/2019

It’s a real issue and it’s not just happening here. Europe is being inundated with migrants from the middle east and Africa. Ir’s a global trend and it must be dealt with because it’s only getting worse.

by Anonymousreply 4804/14/2019

She’s 70 years old. Who does she think she’s kidding with that pic in her Twitter bio?

by Anonymousreply 4904/14/2019

Illegal immigration and the economy will push Trump over the victory line again. Democrats are crazy when they insist on sanctuary cities and welcoming all of these fake asylum seekers (only small percentage are real asylees).

by Anonymousreply 5004/14/2019

We can control--or work to control immigration. But that is not the issue here. The issue is asylum seekers. People asking for asylum is what's out of control. But in order to contain it, the asylum laws have to change because for the most part they are international laws--not US laws.

It is legal for an asylum seeker to go to the border of a country and ask for asylum. If you're simply an immigrant, then there are rules and laws to follow before entry. However, if you're an asylum seeker, it an entirely different set of laws that must be followed that grants entry and then court appearances that will rule on your eligibility to remain based on your safety, political views, violence that you may be subjected to in your home country, etc. Asylum seekers, which is largely what is happening now regarding Central Americans, is the issue and the problem. Immigration, while still a problem, is quite a different issue regarding how we handle it.

by Anonymousreply 5104/14/2019

R47 Yes, one hit me going thirty miles an hour over the speed limit. The cops just let her go, they did give her a ticket, but by the time she was supposed to appear in court she was no where to be found. She also had cut-rate insurance that didn't think they should pay for anything, even though their client was at fault. It took almost two years to get a settlement, and it was so low my lawyer waved his fee.

R51 The problem is that the asylum system is being abused. Many of them are NOT true asylum seekers. They have been coached on the correct phrases to use to appear to be asylum seekers. Remember that Mexico offered many of them asylum and yet they said no thanks, we are going to the US.

by Anonymousreply 5204/14/2019

She has some valid points. There are some Democrats who hate Trump, but they also feel that there are problems with immigration and the asylum system. Sometime back, a relative of mine was posting links from a Facebook page called "Democrats Against Illegal Immigration". Some of Cher's points would probably be praised by the people on that page.

by Anonymousreply 5304/14/2019

LA already has too many migrants. The city is also overpopulated and lacks a sufficient source of water.

by Anonymousreply 5404/14/2019

[quote] Remember that Mexico offered many of them asylum and yet they said no thanks, we are going to the US.

Yet another example that the mobs showing up at the border are economic invaders.

by Anonymousreply 5504/14/2019

R55, yep

by Anonymousreply 5604/14/2019

She's getting called out on the past comment about wanting to house Dreamers. People's views can change over time. I remember when the late actor Ron Silver went from being a Democrat and then after 9/11 he started supporting W and he spoke at the 2004 Republican National Convention.

by Anonymousreply 5704/14/2019

This is what every other city and town in this country feels like, but if they speak out against this they are considered racist

The democrats need to get it through their simple, tiny minds that people do not want open immigration. To be honest, they really don't want any immigration. That's why trump won. If democrats would accept that this is how people feel and act accordingly, they'd win every election

It's the bottom 50% of the country that has to live with and deal with these immigrants. It's not so great. They don't like it. And they don't like a bunch of millionaire politicians telling us how great immigration is

by Anonymousreply 5804/14/2019

We have plenty of room. The US isn’t a Motel 6.

Unemployment is 4%. Anyone who can work, and wants to work, is working. These people won’t affect that.

The problem that Cher points out, is that there are people who need help - but we refuse to help them. That has nothing to do with immigrants or asylum seekers. .

by Anonymousreply 5904/14/2019

[quote]She’s 70 years old. Who does she think she’s kidding with that pic in her Twitter bio?

The best one is Catherine Zeta-Jones's Instagram profile pic. It appears to be from 1995 and it's STILL photoshopped to hell and back!

by Anonymousreply 6004/14/2019

we are not burger king

everyone and his unclebrothercousin just can't have it their way

get real. seriously. take care of our homeless. take care of our vets. vets 1st. always.

by Anonymousreply 6104/14/2019

Fucking hypocrite.

by Anonymousreply 6204/14/2019

EXACTLY r58!

by Anonymousreply 6304/14/2019

[quote] R25: No other countries allow birthright citizenship

You are incorrect. Most countries in the new world do.

by Anonymousreply 6404/14/2019

[quote]We have plenty of room. The US isn’t a Motel 6.

Neither is the US a flop house for all comers. Look no further than Western Europe for the chaos and social problems caused when laws and borders are ignored.

by Anonymousreply 6504/14/2019

Broken record. The people at the border haven't been vetted by the US immigration system. We don't know their standing.

Housing is an issue because the federal government uses tax revenue from blue states to prop up services in the Red states. So, federal grants for things like section 8 are less for services, R61, in blue states.

And, the Dems are subpoenaing trumps tax accountants tomorrow. I would expect nothing less than this subtle bashing of CA leadership.

Please continue

by Anonymousreply 6604/14/2019

R52. I didn't say that the asylum system isn't being abused or isn't working properly. I simply said there are different rules, laws and processes that apply to asylum seekers versus people applying to enter as an immigrant.

by Anonymousreply 6704/14/2019

R64 YOU are incorrect. The US and Canada are the last two first world countries offering birthright citizenship. On the other hand.

by Anonymousreply 6804/14/2019

Los Angeles and San Francisco have an insane homeless problem because other states bus them to California. Fact.

by Anonymousreply 6904/14/2019

[quote] R25: Didn't asylum used to be for war, or natural disasters, not I just want to come to the United States?

Central America is a violent mess. It is the equivalent of war, now.

by Anonymousreply 7004/14/2019

R59 These asylum seekers aren’t coming in ready to jump into a job. Most if not all of them are illiterate, have no education or skills and don’t speak the language. And the taxpayers will end up paying for their and their kids’ education, medical care and food (SNAP, WIC, medicaid etc. etc. and on and on.)

by Anonymousreply 7104/14/2019

[quote]Central America is a violent mess

And yet millions of people remain, are not paying traffickers thousands for a chance at an easier life in the US.

by Anonymousreply 7204/14/2019

It's not a question of whether we have space or if there is space in the world for this grave international problem of overpopulation. It's a question of the earth's resources to take care of everyone.

Climate change is going to put much more of a strain on the world's resources than asylum or immigration.

by Anonymousreply 7304/14/2019

R71. If they don't qualify for asylum, then they won't be granted asylum and will be sent back as many have been. Not everyone who applies for asylum is granted asylum. If they are simply trying to come here to live or think they are going to cross the border to get a job, then they have to apply for immigration--not asylum.

by Anonymousreply 7404/14/2019

[quote]Many of them are NOT true asylum seekers. They have been coached on the correct phrases to use to appear to be asylum seekers.

Source?

by Anonymousreply 7504/14/2019

Strict immigration laws in Alabama have ruined the farming industry, as immigrants have left the white Christian weird state.

by Anonymousreply 7604/14/2019

[quote] Two years ago Cher was all for housing Dreamers in her mansion and urged everyone else to do so (though of course she didnt)...Funny to read this shit now.

Asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are not the same as dreamers.

by Anonymousreply 7704/14/2019

If they don't get asylum, many of them will just disappear and live her illegally.

by Anonymousreply 7804/14/2019

R78 You betcha!

by Anonymousreply 7904/14/2019

[qute] Last week, an 80 year old neighbor was driving and an illegal immigrant hit him, flipped the poor man's car over and fled the scene. Ma

Seriously, you’ve jumped the shark with this ridiculous one.

The Right lies, it’s part of their brand. As usual.

by Anonymousreply 8004/14/2019

Take care of our own first!

by Anonymousreply 8104/14/2019

[quote] R52: Many of them are NOT true asylum seekers. They have been coached on the correct phrases to use to appear to be asylum seekers.

I wish I could shout this, but even the most deserving asylum seekers needs to be coached on the correct phrases.

by Anonymousreply 8204/14/2019

Send them to Vermont. It’s overwhelmingly white.

by Anonymousreply 8304/14/2019

[quote]LA and SF have an insane homeless problem right now. Bringing more people in just isn't a good idea

If you bother to look at their faces, 99% of them are white people. Migrants come to the us to work. Homeless people are mostly mentally ill and drug addicts who usually come from middle class families who feel no obligation to take care of them and dump then on society.

by Anonymousreply 8404/14/2019

Wait, wait, wait... hold on there, R83!

by Anonymousreply 8504/14/2019

[quote]Climate change is going to put much more of a strain on the world's resources

"Climate change" is the socially and politically acceptable term for overpopulation, tribalism, and corruption. Which are already putting a strain on the world's resources, as the invasion of Western Europe and the US show. Way too many people in failed, corrupt societies that produce nothing humanity vying for increasing scarce resources.

by Anonymousreply 8604/14/2019

[quote] R58: The democrats need to get it through their simple, tiny minds that people do not want open immigration.

The Dems don’t want “open immigration”. Listen to Pelosi. She wants “safe, secure borders.” She wanted to budget money for “border security”, but Trump REJECTED IT! Are you a troll, or what?

by Anonymousreply 8704/14/2019

R84, is a liar. Skid row is predominately black

by Anonymousreply 8804/14/2019

There IS no work for that many people r84. And LOL that California's homeless are all lazy whites. JFC.

by Anonymousreply 8904/14/2019

[R87] Beto wants open borders

by Anonymousreply 9004/14/2019

[quote] R61: ...take care of our homeless...

But you really aren’t willing to do so. So don’t pretend that this has anything to do with immigrants, because it doesn’t. 4% unemployment.

by Anonymousreply 9104/14/2019

My border is wide open for Beto.

by Anonymousreply 9204/14/2019

4% is a bullshit number. And many, many jobs that are filled do not provide living wages.

by Anonymousreply 9304/14/2019

R88 is an idot. So if most of the homeless people are black that kind of proves my point that they are all Americans. Tell me what country America is attached to where millions of black people are crossing the boarder?

by Anonymousreply 9404/14/2019

It's quite simple. You have masses and masses of unskilled, uneducated people who can't speak English who just cannot be assimilated into a first-world economy in those kinds of numbers.

by Anonymousreply 9504/14/2019

[quote] R69: Los Angeles and San Francisco have an insane homeless problem because other states bus them to California. Fact.

I don’t know about this, but the Right is lying so much in this thread, they are just not believable. Because they lie all the time,

by Anonymousreply 9604/14/2019

Oh please, my last Uber driver was a US citizen and couldn't speak a work of English, everything in Chinese including her google app. It's not just immigrants.

by Anonymousreply 9704/14/2019

[quote] R71: These asylum seekers aren’t coming in ready to jump into a job.

Like most immigrants. Though asylum seekers need our help as they are threatened with severe physical harm.

by Anonymousreply 9804/14/2019

I have no problem with what she said.

by Anonymousreply 9904/14/2019

[quote]Though asylum seekers need our help as they are threatened with severe physical harm.

Speaking of lies . . .

by Anonymousreply 10004/14/2019

[quote] R72: Central America is a violent mess...And yet millions of people remain, are not paying traffickers thousands for a chance at an easier life in the US.

Sure, and millions of Jews stayed in Germany.

Maybe they can’t afford the trip? Hope for a better day ahead? Gave up hope, maybe? Have family they can’t leave? Etc.

by Anonymousreply 10104/14/2019

I know white rednecks from Texas who can't speak English as well.

by Anonymousreply 10204/14/2019

We have a triggered SJW here. I hope they end up in your town

by Anonymousreply 10304/14/2019

What's the freakin deal? They become citizens, get jobs, buy products, go to school like everyone else... wtf cares?

It's because they're dark skinned. Or Muslim. And you know it. The Caucasians don' t want their white power diluted.

by Anonymousreply 10404/14/2019

[quote] R81: Take care of our own first!

We have 4% unemployment. And we’re not ever going to ever help people who are homeless today, more than we already do. It will never happen, get serious.

by Anonymousreply 10504/14/2019

Cher’s twitter points sound near identical to Repubs talking points on illegals, no? I see this not ending well for Cher.

Re: homeless, I disagree with the poster above who said we don’t really want to help them. I think the overwhelming majority of Americans do care, and do want to help. It is the politicians who lack the will to actually come up with a solution. In NYC, the mayor tasked his wife with creating some sort of plan that addresses homeless, as well as the mental illnesses many homeless suffer from. Fast forward, they can’t account for the $700mill she spent and yeah, still no plan for the homeless or their mental illnesses. Yet, there are still those who praise them “trying to do something”.

But I get the point - yes, however uncomfortable to admit, we don’t take care of our homeless, our veterans, our seniors, our developmentally disabled, our citizens suffering with mental illness, etc. - so yeah, this is something that resonates across party lines I think.

True or false, many on both sides view illegals as “getting” something that our government doesn’t give citizens. This will be one of the big issues in 2020, so our guys better come up with more than the talking points they have now that both address regular citizens’ concerns/worries, while still extolling the benefits to all of legal immigration.

I will tell you how we are turning off swing, independent voters - NYS Assembly passed legislation to give free public college tuition to illegal immigrants at a cost of $27mill about 2 weeks ago, then last week same Assembly voted down a bill to give free public college education to Gold Star children at a cost of like $600,000. Not a good look and I am sure Repubs will run with this - and yeah, it will sway some swing voters.

by Anonymousreply 10604/14/2019

Cher has taken in people before. In fact, she has a guest house that has been a revolving door ever since she built that house.

Plus, she has said many times she doesn't mind paying more taxes because she can afford it.

by Anonymousreply 10704/14/2019

Just a reality check on the unemployment figure...

The real unemployment rate  (U-6) is a broader definition of unemployment  than the official unemployment rate  (U-3). In February 2019, it was 7.3%. The U-3 is the rate  most often reported in the media. In the U-3 rate, the Bureau of Labor  only counts people without jobs who are in the labor force.

The U-6 rate counts discouraged job seekers and underemployed people who would like a full time job.

So in reality, unemployment is closer to 7.3%.

by Anonymousreply 10804/14/2019

This illegal immigrant situation has spiraled out of control. In New Mexico alone their capturing an average of 1000 illegals crossing the border every fucking day. No one in this state has ever seen something like this.

by Anonymousreply 10904/14/2019

No, R108, you don’t get to change the statistic we use when another one supports your argument. We use one number and have for decades, and we stay with the same number so we can say “wow, the economy today is so much better than anytime in the last 10 years”., because we used the same number 10 years ago.

We are at full employment.

by Anonymousreply 11004/14/2019

The homeless problem in LA seemed to strangely drastically increase starting last summer. I don't know why.

by Anonymousreply 11104/14/2019

R110, I'm not changing any statistics. There are 9 measures of unemployment that the government puts out each month. U-6 is actually called "real unemployment" by tge government because it's considered a truer number. The U-3 number is favored by the press. You can look utmup fo yourself, It's not an obscure fact.

by Anonymousreply 11204/14/2019

Here you go r110, this may help you better understand the unemployment numbers and why u-6 is more accurate.

by Anonymousreply 11304/14/2019

These are people who are bailing on their societies. All of that energy should be diverted into building up their own lands. These people can't work compromise within themselves.

Japan pulled themselves up. Nobody did it for them. Chile is thriving as well

by Anonymousreply 11404/14/2019

R113, I’m well aware of the various unemployment statistics. We use a single number for convenience, and compare it against what it was in past years. 4%, as it is today, is historically low, compared what it's been in the past and is generally considered “full employment”. You don’t get to switch your statistic just to support your argument.

by Anonymousreply 11504/14/2019

Actually it’s 3.8% unemployment, today.

by Anonymousreply 11604/14/2019

That's nice, r115. Using a number for convenience doesn't mean it's an accurate reflection of the actual unemployment situation. There's a reason why economists use u-6 and it has nothing to do with it being convenient. Again, I'm not switching anything. I repeat, nine unemployment figures are released each month so there's nothing being switched. U-6 is one of the nine numbers and it's the number that economists use vs the number a DL poster who doesn't understand the difference fixates on because it's convenient.

by Anonymousreply 11704/14/2019

Send the Mexicans to Israel, their biggest champion.

by Anonymousreply 11804/14/2019

Caravan

by Anonymousreply 11904/14/2019
by Anonymousreply 12004/14/2019

R23’s point: “If they can’t make a livable wage, they end up living in the same type of crime ridden community they were trying to flee.” It’s a good one.

by Anonymousreply 121Last Monday at 1:22 AM

I don't want to pay for these people's children. I don't want to pay for them to have more children all at the taxpayers expense

My great grandparents were immigrants and they had to pay back the hospital when they had children. There was no Medicaid or any other type of assistance. It's over $10,000 for a woman to give birth. These people have 4 or 5 children , who will all be on some kind of government assistance (Medicaid until they are 18, food stamps, WIC, etc). I don't give a fuck what their parents do, it is mathematically impossible for them to work enough in their life to pay back the taxpayers that $40,000 to $50,000 it costs for the birth of their children. They could live another lifetime and still never pay enough in taxes to repay the Medicaid, Food Stamps, WIC and other programs their children access. Paying all this money out is going to eventually hit this country like a fucking brick

And the kids they bring with them ruin the school systems and education for everyone else's children because the teachers have to spend so much time with people who don't speak a word of English and/or aren't up to par educationally

by Anonymousreply 122Last Monday at 2:20 AM

Heartless bitch. I on the other hand am setting up cots in the mall for them.

by Anonymousreply 123Last Monday at 2:25 AM

Is there a good solution to this?

We don't want to split kids from families. And we don't want to imprison kids. We don't want to just release everyone into the country. But we don't want to send them back if they are seeking asylum.

So what's the solution?

by Anonymousreply 124Last Monday at 2:31 AM

[quote]So what's the solution?

R124 Very simply. They should STAY HOME!

by Anonymousreply 125Last Monday at 2:35 AM

R124, the solution is to not allow them in.

by Anonymousreply 126Last Monday at 2:45 AM

[quote]I will tell you how we are turning off swing, independent voters

There are no swing voters anymore. You are either a Deplorable or not. And when you are a Deplorable, you are all the way in the Deplorable basket. NOTHING will make you vote the other way.

by Anonymousreply 127Last Monday at 4:14 AM

[quote]Parents who gathered at the bus station with their children to join the caravan say they can't support their families with what they can earn in Honduras and are seeking better opportunities.

Bitch, you have five children under the age of ten. What kind of job will you be looking for?

by Anonymousreply 128Last Monday at 4:18 AM

[quote]The homeless problem in LA seemed to strangely drastically increase starting last summer. I don't know why.

Oh, there is a reason for that. They all lived down town on Skid Row. But downtown is now being gentrified with dozen of high rises, condos, restaurants and creative business. They all got pushed out and they have to go somewhere. Now they are scattered all over the city in odd places they never were before. Simultaneous, Venice which used to be kind of seedy has become all million dollar properties over the last decade pushing that population of homeless inland.

by Anonymousreply 129Last Monday at 4:18 AM

To be fair R128, my maid who is from south of the boarder works very hard and sometimes is forced to bring her kids which she makes site outside while she works.

by Anonymousreply 130Last Monday at 4:21 AM

Do the US states have their own laws regarding migrants and asylum seekers, can they travel and work freely from state to state?

by Anonymousreply 131Last Monday at 4:57 AM

[quote]If they don't qualify for asylum, then they won't be granted asylum and will be sent back as many have been.

That's hilarious, R74. Have you ever considered becoming a sitcom writer? Now, back in the real world...

This is happening in the UK but don't pretend it's not happening in the US as well.

by Anonymousreply 132Last Monday at 5:00 AM
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by Anonymousreply 136Last Monday at 5:02 AM

[quote]If they don't qualify for asylum, then they won't be granted asylum and will be sent back as many have been

Unfortunately, the system is so strained that asylum seekers arriving today likely won't get a hearing until 2021. Most are released on their own recognizance with the promise they will show up before a judge when summoned. But many will just disappear into our vast country -- the government can't keep track of the immigrant children it's ripped from their parents, and they can't keep track of asylum seekers, either.

by Anonymousreply 137Last Monday at 5:07 AM

The thing is, when she says it, she genuinely means it. When republicans say it, they only do so to justify their racism. They don't actually care about helping people who are homeless, struggling, etc.

Anyways, she's right.

by Anonymousreply 138Last Monday at 5:14 AM

R137 Many of these immigrant children "ripped from their parents" aren't even related to the adults in question. It's well known that your chance of being granted asylum is higher if you have a child in tow and so they grab any child they can and pass it off as their own. That's why they're separated when they're caught. DNA tests and interviews have to be done etc. Sometimes it's just a case of an adult grabbing a kid to use to get granted asylum (to then be discarded like soiled toilet paper). Sometimes it's more sinister (child sex trafficking). Common sense and decency says one should investigate these instances instead of just blindly rubber stamping them through and hoping for the best.

The likes of Mira Sorvino and Daryl Hannah have been talking about child sex trafficking for years so you'd think they'd be happy with the current (or any) administration for investigating these "families" coming over the border but no. They're outraged. That tells me all I need to know about how much they really care about this issue. They' don't. Or their TDS is so severe that they've suddenly sided with child sex traffickers over Trump. Pathetic bitches.

by Anonymousreply 139Last Monday at 5:23 AM

[quote]Climate change is going to put much more of a strain on the world's resources

But climate change should not be so much of an excuse as of yet, not with so many cities in the USA that are built in hot desert, or arid climates and despite that are thriving. Or what about similar climates in Australia who spend billions on desalination plants to supply it's people with fresh water? It's the citizens who make the country, not the other way around.

by Anonymousreply 140Last Monday at 5:28 AM

[quote]Los Angeles and San Francisco have an insane homeless problem because other states bus them to California. Fact.

It’s good that Californians don’t believe in borders then.

by Anonymousreply 141Last Monday at 6:07 AM

[quote]Listen to Pelosi. She wants “safe, secure borders.” She wanted to budget money for “border security”, but Trump REJECTED IT!

She said Trump could have One Dollar.

by Anonymousreply 142Last Monday at 6:10 AM

R142 Don't confuse them with facts. They think the senile old bat Pelosi who can barely string a word together with her constant brain farts and freezes and who once referred to Trump as Bush is beyond reproach.

We call then Nancybottoms. Not unlike another set of bottoms that slavishly worship a certain other pantsuit wearing frau who's always falling down and coughing up a lung.

by Anonymousreply 143Last Monday at 6:15 AM

Asylum used to be reserved for people fleeing government-sponsored persecution because of ethnicity, religion, political viewpoints, etc.

Then it got expanded to people fleeing those things when committed by others not affiliated or sponsored by governments.

Now it includes domestic violence and fear of gang violence. The administration tried to rule those out as justifications for granting asylum, but a judge overturned the new policy in December.

by Anonymousreply 144Last Monday at 6:16 AM

The definition of "refugee" needs to be made very clear through legislation. Judges (federal district courts and immigration courts) have too much sway. Not saying it should be narrowed or expanded: it just needs to be made very clear who qualifies as a refugee.

by Anonymousreply 145Last Monday at 6:19 AM

R144 These activist judges should be made to be held accountable for any crimes their pets wave through. They're not working for the betterment of this country when they're automatically vetoing EVERYTHING Trump tries to put through just to "stick it to him". It's very childish. If Trump found a cure for cancer, these idiots would refuse to take it and probably try to find a way to jail him for it.

by Anonymousreply 146Last Monday at 6:20 AM

Not a fan of Trump, but people are freaking out because he's being blocked at every turn in his efforts to stem the flow. In particular, federal district court judges are doing it. So the problem at the border gets worse, and citizens are growing more reactionary, which could affect the coming election.

If they could just decrease the flow of asylum seekers.

If nothing's done, and things get out of control, I can see the US moving towards a very restrictionist position towards asylum. A new middle between now and what Japan has (0.1% are granted asylum).

by Anonymousreply 147Last Monday at 6:24 AM

Another thought: let's say Trump had complete control over what's put up and done on the border (northern and southern borders). Within six months, would the flow of people coming into the country illegally decrease dramatically? Would visa overstayers and others in the country illegally decrease?

How? What would the administration do in pursuit of its immigration-related goals?

by Anonymousreply 148Last Monday at 6:28 AM

There has to be a starting point for tackling this issue. Trump is the only one so far who has made an attempt to do something...flawed as it has been.

Democrats will not even admit there is a problem. How many of them went on record as saying “there is no border crisis?” How many of them said that border walls are “an immorality”?

by Anonymousreply 149Last Monday at 6:32 AM

[quote]visa overstayers

R148 People who get on a plane, fly to the US and don't go home at least are vetted. You can't get a visa if you've committed certain crimes. You can't get a visa if you're from certain problem countries. You can't get a visa if you have a dangerous disease. You can't get a visa if you don't have a certain amount of money to cover your stay. Border security knows that you are who you say you are. That's at least SOMETHING.

The same cannot be said for someone who tosses their I.D. in the trash then claims to be an asylum seeker or who jumps the border in the dead of night. Who knows who the hell any of them are? And, in the case of the border jumpers, nobody even knows they entered.

by Anonymousreply 150Last Monday at 6:51 AM

I think Dems have proposed more funding for more immigration court judges.

Immigration court judges want more independence from DOJ guidance: they want to be Article I courts so they can kind of rule however they want (i.e., more in line with their sympathies), free from executive administrative oversight. They argue that they'll be able to move things along more quickly, but I suspect it'll mean even more time- and resource-consuming procedural hurdles towards final adjudication of each asylum case — i.e.,. instead of taking 2 years to rule, it'll take 3-5 years. Then the immigration judges will come back and demand Congress increase their funding and number, blaming both for the slowed flow.

The best solution seems to be increasing the number of immigration court judges, but keeping them within the DOJ. That way, the DOJ can keep setting time limits for cases and can eliminate judges found to be ruling contrary to immigration law.

It's got to be a massive machine running at full speed. Otherwise, the political backlash will be huge. Which is what the administration might want politically.

by Anonymousreply 151Last Monday at 6:51 AM

And she's such a rubber stamp Democrat!

by Anonymousreply 152Last Monday at 6:52 AM

You have to remember that all these migrants know of the US is from what they see on American television shows where everybody is thin, rich and gorgeous and they all live in huge houses and apartments. They really believe that's what life in the US is about, they know nothing else. They really do think they're going to some utopian fantasyland, they have no idea what the US is really like.

by Anonymousreply 153Last Monday at 6:55 AM

Some of what's driving people from Guatemala.

by Anonymousreply 154Last Monday at 6:57 AM

Trump will be re-elected. Pelosi is doing damage control. She was 60 Minutes last night throwing that crazy Hispanic from Brooklyn under bus by stating that the Democratic Party does not embrace socialism

by Anonymousreply 155Last Monday at 6:59 AM

R154's article is classic agenda masquerading as reportage.

by Anonymousreply 156Last Monday at 7:01 AM

r156, how so?

by Anonymousreply 157Last Monday at 7:01 AM

How they do it in the EU.

by Anonymousreply 158Last Monday at 7:03 AM

Cali does not want these people!!

by Anonymousreply 159Last Monday at 7:03 AM

Where migrants go after being released.

by Anonymousreply 160Last Monday at 7:04 AM

This surge from Central America is partially Mexico's fault.

by Anonymousreply 161Last Monday at 7:06 AM

Mexico needs to help these people.

by Anonymousreply 162Last Monday at 7:08 AM

I think she meant to just keep out the gypsies, tramps and thieves.

by Anonymousreply 163Last Monday at 7:09 AM

Wit AND Wisdom to R22, who gets the history right. If Mexico held California, it wouldn't be California, it would be Chihuahua, or maybe Sonora. And pre-1840, pretty much nobody lived there. Mountains and long distances made it very difficult to reach California. Spain/Mexico had to reach it mostly by sea. Spain and Mexico begged for settlers to California, and had few takers.

by Anonymousreply 164Last Monday at 7:09 AM

[quote]Mexico needs to help these people.

They don't want to live in Mexico.

by Anonymousreply 165Last Monday at 7:10 AM

I think the EU shows us our future.

by Anonymousreply 166Last Monday at 7:12 AM

R155 If Nancy thinks AOC and Co are "just five people" as she dismissively calls them, why did she pose on a magazine cover with them? It seems like she was just using the "colored folk" as props for her own agenda. Now she's discarded them just two months later.

by Anonymousreply 167Last Monday at 7:14 AM

R167, duh, because they were popular two months ago. Now there's more nuance. It's called being strategic. Makes perfect sense.

by Anonymousreply 168Last Monday at 7:16 AM

Someone is probably financing and fomenting violence in these countries to force people to flee (north). Is it China? Russia? Saudi Arabia?

I still don't see what the problem is. This myth that they're going to cross the border, get on welfare and watch trash tv all day is dumb. Remember what the Statue of Liberty says. And this is a huge country with declining birthrates.

I wish we'd taken in Jews in the early 1940's. But we didn't and remember how that turned out.

by Anonymousreply 169Last Monday at 7:16 AM

[quote]Mexico needs to help these people.

Yes. That’s why Trump threatened Mexico with closing the border if they didn’t do more to stop the problem.

Of course Democrats blocked him like they have at every point.

by Anonymousreply 170Last Monday at 7:18 AM

R168 Popular with who? The media yes because they for some reason feel obliged to report AOC's every bowel movement. But the public? No. At least Sarah Palin was actually loved by some of the public in this country. She wasn't manufactured by the media simply as a way to "stick it" to the president with the added bonus of AOC and Co not being white and so any criticism of them can be automatically labeled racist or Islamophobic as a way to shut down discussion.

by Anonymousreply 171Last Monday at 7:21 AM

It’s not our responsibility to take in everyone. They hate us anyway. Pelosi and the dems better side with Trump on this or they are toast next year

by Anonymousreply 172Last Monday at 7:24 AM

R169, the big problem is multifactored and is driven by anxiety and resentment.

In their first years in the US, asylum seekers take up more public resources than the contribute towards those resources. Some people resent that.

They are increasing the number of low-wage workers, putting downward pressure on wages as more jobs are becoming automated.

There's the assimilation issue as well, in that it's perceived to be less robust because new arrivals find largely self-contained Spanish-speaking communities that they can join.

There's also the interpretation by some that illegal immigration undermines faith in our government's administrative capabilities and the rule of law (the weakness of the former leading to the latter).

Also, some are offended that asylum should include things like gang violence and domestic violence.

All these things cause anxiety in some. I'm not saying they're right (although I agree with some of them), but those are some of the factors causing it to be a big deal in some people's' minds.

by Anonymousreply 173Last Monday at 7:24 AM

The EU might be on to something, but I'm not sure Mexico will be up for it.

I think the best thing is to informally help them get to Canada (we can have our own "little green men" like Russia, doing the dirty work). The media will go crazy, but I think it's the way to go. They want to be in a wealthier country, and Canada is wealthier than the US even, so why not help them get there.

NGOs should do the same. Help them get to Toronto. They're using hotels to house refugees and everything's better there.

by Anonymousreply 174Last Monday at 7:26 AM

Most on here don't care about any of that R173 so long as they can keep their illegal immigrant maid they pay next to nothing for because they're too lazy to scrub their own toilet and do their own laundry (they actually brag about it on here). They're using illegals as modern day slaves. The only difference is they don't whip them anymore. How "progressive".

by Anonymousreply 175Last Monday at 7:32 AM

R171, Pelosi's people thought this would be good to mitigate the rift in the party and to co-opt the new progressives, welcoming them and trying to signal their belonging in a continuum of Democratic viewpoints. The popular perception two months ago was that the new women were popular among active Dems, so she ran with it. Now that they're demonstrably less popular, Pelosi is adjusting her position in the face of new developments. It's perfectly rational.

by Anonymousreply 176Last Monday at 7:34 AM

R175, I think you overestimate the number of DLers who are in any position to hire someone to do their laundry.

by Anonymousreply 177Last Monday at 7:35 AM

R176 That magazine cover will haunt Nancy like Cher's tweet from two years about inviting Dreamers into your house.

by Anonymousreply 178Last Monday at 7:36 AM

R177 If there aren't many of them then they're certainly very vocal in order to make the rest of us feel otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 179Last Monday at 7:38 AM

I will never, EVER understand why people who don't have a pot to piss in insist on having children. WTF? I was dead broke in my 20s and the thought of bringing even ONE child, let alone four or five like these people have in the situation I was in at the time, was abhorrent.

by Anonymousreply 180Last Monday at 7:43 AM

R180, they don't have access to birth control, and aren't that educated about it. It's the same all over the developing world, Add in Catholicism, and you get the most extreme cases (Central America, the Philippines).

by Anonymousreply 181Last Monday at 7:46 AM

Good article, r166. You don't fuck with the Greeks!

by Anonymousreply 182Last Monday at 7:48 AM

Trump agrees.

by Anonymousreply 183Last Monday at 7:54 AM

R181 So you're saying that blacks are browns are too stupid to put two and two together when it comes to how babies are made? Shit, let's flood the country with those imbeciles then!

by Anonymousreply 184Last Monday at 7:54 AM

R184, don't talk about the IQ thing... but do, because it's pretty compelling.

by Anonymousreply 185Last Monday at 7:55 AM

R183 LMAO! You know Cher must be in a rage right about now. Wigs will be tossed.

by Anonymousreply 186Last Monday at 7:55 AM

Go Cher!

by Anonymousreply 187Last Monday at 7:56 AM

She's dumb and she played right into his hands. He's not going to transfer migrants to sanctuary cities. As usual, he's trolling to elicit a response, and the lower IQ people step right up to the plate.

by Anonymousreply 188Last Monday at 7:56 AM

R183 Who is that Brian Krassenstein cunt who is ALWAYS the first person to respond to a Trump tweet? He claims to be stalking Trump's Twitter feed 24/7. When does he time to research/write articles?

by Anonymousreply 189Last Monday at 7:58 AM

[quote]Go Cher!

Go where?

by Anonymousreply 190Last Monday at 7:59 AM

Canada's anxious, too. RACIST!

by Anonymousreply 191Last Monday at 7:59 AM

R190 Canada? Is that where she was promising to move to if Bush got elected? Why is she still here?

by Anonymousreply 192Last Monday at 7:59 AM

She's NOT 70 - she's 73 in a few weeks time.

by Anonymousreply 193Last Monday at 7:59 AM

[quote]I will never, EVER understand why people who don't have a pot to piss in insist on having children

The Pope told them to.

by Anonymousreply 194Last Monday at 8:00 AM

Canada definitely has more room.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Monday at 8:01 AM

R195 What pisses me off about that is that I'm not eligible to move to Canada under their current laws despite being self-employed and having plenty of money to support myself. But the fuckers roll out the red carpet for those who don't even share the same culture and can't even speak the same language or support themselves. No wonder Trudeau will be a one-termer.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Monday at 8:05 AM

Cher's Tweet is big news right now.

by Anonymousreply 197Last Monday at 8:07 AM

R196, isn't there something you can use for the basis of an asylum claim? I'd see a lawyer about that.

Homophobia, or anti-trans violence, 2-spiritedness, etc. You might want to build a case history.

by Anonymousreply 198Last Monday at 8:09 AM

We need sensible, and real immigration reform, period. Politicians on both sides need to grow a pair. No one reform bill will make everyone happy, but that’s compromise.

What I’d like to see:

• get rid of birthright citizenship - we’re one of the few Western, “first world” countries that still have it. If you are born here to illegal immigrant parents, or while on vacation you shouldn’t get automatic citizenship. You are a citizen when born here only if you are born to a citizen or to a holder of a regular green card.

• current illegal immigrants in the country should be offered a legal status. I think permanent green card status, not citizenship, is the answer. Give them 2 years to apply, only make it applicable to those who can prove they were here before “X” date, and make some sort of nominal back tax repayment part of the deal.

• stiffen the penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants. Large cash fines, liens, even civil forfeiture.

• make it easier for individual employers and small businesses to sponsor an illegal immigrant.

• codify in law what determines who is a legitimate asylum seeker and political refugee and make sure it is written in such a way that there is no wiggle room to expand definitions without legislation.

• streamline the immigration courts with clear, concise laws and consequences so we don’t have backlogs of years. Judges should be looking at the laws as written (see above) and make their determinations based solely on that. Granting asylum, conferring political refugee status, even warranted deportation should not take years.

• create a new class of visas for migrant workers. Make the visas renewable every 5 years, and if the visa holder wants, allow them to apply for a green card after 2 renewals.

• allow familial chain immigration to continue - but only once the sponsor is a citizen. They should be able to sponsor parents, siblings, children only, though I think there should be exceptions baked in to allow sponsorship of orphaned minors (ie; nieces, nephews, even cousins).

• allow illegal immigrants to obtain green cards by joining the armed forces or the peace corps.

• disallow any benefits currently offered to illegal immigrants like drivers licenses and free tuition.

No one is going to be 100% happy, but I think it addresses both side’s concerns.

Just my two cents!

by Anonymousreply 199Last Monday at 8:11 AM

Eminently sensible, R199. Too bad our politicians have little to no sense.

by Anonymousreply 200Last Monday at 8:13 AM

Most of that sounds good, R199. But illegal immigrants are constitutionally entitled to free public education for children. And cutting off food stamps to illegal immigrants, available in many states, might be devastating.

by Anonymousreply 201Last Monday at 8:14 AM

R199, migrant workers already have the guest worker visa.

by Anonymousreply 202Last Monday at 8:15 AM

R201 Devastating to who? The ones taking advantage or the US taxpayers who are being forced to pay for it?

by Anonymousreply 203Last Monday at 8:16 AM

We educate their kids, not to be nice, but to forestall the feral child problem similar to that in Brazil or when the Fagans were running around London.

by Anonymousreply 204Last Monday at 8:21 AM

The responses from the Trumptards are supernatural in their stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 205Last Monday at 8:21 AM

Cher is kind of an idiot and should refrain from speaking about things that she has a superficial knowledge of.

by Anonymousreply 206Last Monday at 8:21 AM

What she Tweeted is the absolute truth. Have you been to fucking LA lately? Or San Francisco?

by Anonymousreply 207Last Monday at 8:23 AM

Guatemalans apparently love the American flag more than Puerto Ricans do...

by Anonymousreply 208Last Monday at 8:24 AM

Yeah it's pretty crazy in LA... we have tent villages.

by Anonymousreply 209Last Monday at 8:24 AM

R207 I have a number of friends who have lived in California all their lives but have recently fled to other states because, as they say, California isn't America anymore.

by Anonymousreply 210Last Monday at 8:26 AM

R205, you take in some immigrants then.

by Anonymousreply 211Last Monday at 8:27 AM

You know, she could hire some homeless people off the LA streets to work on her estate instead of the illegals. Oh, wait...

by Anonymousreply 212Last Monday at 8:27 AM

How is kind of quietly helping them along to Canada not a good solution? All the lefties who think the US is irredeemable will be "saving" the migrants by helping them avoid the "injustices" that would otherwise be inflicted upon them in the US.

by Anonymousreply 213Last Monday at 8:27 AM

Seattle.

by Anonymousreply 214Last Monday at 8:29 AM

R207 I live in LA. Yes there is a massive homeless problem. We have also neglected our vets since Vietnam. How exactly is the immigration problem affecting those two issues specifically? Other states have massive homeless problems, ex Washington.

by Anonymousreply 215Last Monday at 8:30 AM

R215 Money and resources that could be spent on our homeless and vets are instead going to rolling out the red carpet to illegals.

by Anonymousreply 216Last Monday at 8:33 AM

No surprise -- Trump has retweeted Cher's post. "I finally agree with Cher!"

by Anonymousreply 217Last Monday at 8:40 AM

R216 Your roll on the red carpet is your obvious gateway to your being a bigot and ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 218Last Monday at 8:41 AM

He's stopped wearing such tight pants, sadly.

by Anonymousreply 219Last Monday at 8:41 AM

R218 What does your personal attack have to do with anything I posted? Are you having a roid rage right now? Or is this just how you react to the real world penetrating your bubble?

by Anonymousreply 220Last Monday at 8:42 AM

R220 I am actually quite calm. Not sure to what bubble you're refer to. Do you live in Southern California yourself? Be more specific about this red carpet. Who do you think initially put so many vets and mentally unstable people on the streets? Go back to Ronald Regan. Show me the statistics of how immigration problems are draining funds that should be prioritized to help those on the streets.

by Anonymousreply 221Last Monday at 8:48 AM

I don't see it talked enough on here, but refugee-asylum treaties have a concept where one is required to seek and obtain asylum at the first border you cross. You can't shop nations. For Guatemalans on foot, that border would be Mexico. Yet nobody wants the Guatemalans to seek asylum in Mexico, except Trump. But those are the rules.

Mexico is extremely two-faced about immigration policy, dumping its poor onto the US while refusing to allow refugees to settle within its borders. Of course, Canada is experiencing a similar problem with people from Central America, or people who have already sought asylum in the US, crossing the US border into Canada, seeking asylum there.

by Anonymousreply 222Last Monday at 8:49 AM

R221 Quit blaming Ronald Reagan. The ACLU on their own website as recently as a couple of years ago bragging about shutting down the mental hospitals because of "human rights" etc.

As to your other point:

[quote]A new study from FAIR finds that providing education, health care, law enforcement, and social and government services to illegal aliens and their dependents costs California taxpayers $25.3 billion a year, which is an increase of some $4.7 billion since 2010. These costs amount to a $2,370 a year burden per California household headed by a U.S. citizen.

by Anonymousreply 223Last Monday at 8:52 AM

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed

by Anonymousreply 224Last Monday at 8:58 AM

Ironically, it was JFK who got the ball rolling by closing psychiatric hospitals. Reagan cut the funding to community based outreach help and the ACLU put the final nail into the homeless coffin by arguing several cases that ultimately gave the homeless the right to live on the streets with no forced intervention like medical care or even to get them off the streets in subzero temperatures.

by Anonymousreply 225Last Monday at 8:58 AM

R217 Did Donald Trump just admit he was trolling all along?

by Anonymousreply 226Last Monday at 9:26 AM

[quote]Your roll on the red carpet is your obvious gateway to your being a bigot and ignorant.

Like you would be rolling out the red carpet if migrants were white Christian Evangelicals. Let's see how liberal you would be in that situation.

by Anonymousreply 227Last Monday at 9:27 AM

Saving this thread. Impressed by how reasonable most of these posts are. I'd say 80% show more common sense than the entire field of Democratic candidates.

by Anonymousreply 228Last Monday at 9:28 AM

R227 They have already said no to whites from South Africa but they are ready to roll out the red carpet for Venezuela and Syria.

by Anonymousreply 229Last Monday at 9:31 AM

[quote]The Dems don’t want “open immigration”.

Beto O’Rourke plans to tear down already-existing border walls.

by Anonymousreply 230Last Monday at 9:32 AM

R87, some of the kind of do.

by Anonymousreply 231Last Monday at 9:33 AM

Forget about this immigration issue, and the Mueller report, I want to see those tax returns!

by Anonymousreply 232Last Monday at 9:35 AM
by Anonymousreply 233Last Monday at 9:36 AM

And don’t forget about Hillary’s grand plan to force 65000 more Syrians on the US.

Voters told her where she could shove that.

by Anonymousreply 234Last Monday at 9:38 AM

The 4% unemployment troll - what kind of jobs are you talking about? Jobs that pay a living wage with insurance? Or jobs that need to be cobbled together in order to survive?

Almost every Lyft I get in to the driver has a sob story. Often they are professionals who lost their job, or retirees whose money has run out. Others are working multiple jobs to get by, and they're all using their cars as a credit card.

In his second State of the Union, that dumbfuck George Dubya talked about transforming American into a "service economy" and that's exactly what happened.

When automation comes, formerly white-collar professionals are going to be fighting to get jobs picking fruit.

by Anonymousreply 235Last Monday at 9:38 AM

R235 Did you care about any of that when Obama was proclaiming unemployment numbers?

by Anonymousreply 236Last Monday at 9:39 AM

Yes, I did, R236. As someone who has been active in politics for decades, I think that both parties have lost the plot. The Democrats right now seem to be controlled by the identity politics Twitter mob and seem to have lost any capacity for critical thinking, while the GOP is composed of the most rank group of criminals that this country has possibly ever seen. Well, except for Cheney's crowd, who were Satanic.

by Anonymousreply 237Last Monday at 9:44 AM

Sure you did, R237.

by Anonymousreply 238Last Monday at 9:47 AM

[quote]And don’t forget about Hillary’s grand plan to force 65000 more Syrians on the US. Voters told her where she could shove that.

No doubt you were one of them. You deplorable piece of Democrat hating shit.

by Anonymousreply 239Last Monday at 9:47 AM

[quote]There were like 10 Mexicans in California

There were 7 Mexicans for every 3 white Easterners in 1800. Today, most Californians must be carrying the Mexican gene.

by Anonymousreply 240Last Monday at 9:50 AM

If the richest state in the union can't house them, where the fuck do they go? Detroit?

by Anonymousreply 241Last Monday at 9:52 AM

R239 hates the truth. Here's Hillary in her own words in regard to taking in more and more refugees.

by Anonymousreply 242Last Monday at 9:52 AM

We are a nation of immigrants. So let them in.

by Anonymousreply 243Last Monday at 9:53 AM

[quote]If the richest state in the union can't house them, where the fuck do they go? Detroit?

Um, the US is $21.97 TRILLION in debt. This country - and no state within it - is rich.

by Anonymousreply 244Last Monday at 9:54 AM

R243 doesn't know the difference between legal and illegal immigrants and doesn't care so long as he gets his foreign born maid he can pay next to nothing for because he's too fucking lazy to scrub his own toilet or do his own laundry.

Immigrants are the new slaves, right, R243?

by Anonymousreply 245Last Monday at 9:56 AM

R96, don’t be a baby. All you do is embarrass your side. Point out specific lies. Back up your claims. Be an adult.

by Anonymousreply 246Last Monday at 9:56 AM

Bring them out of the shadows.

by Anonymousreply 247Last Monday at 9:59 AM

[quote] If Nancy thinks AOC and Co are "just five people" as she dismissively calls them, why did she pose on a magazine cover with them? It seems like she was just using the "colored folk" as props for her own agenda. Now she's discarded them just two months later.

Rashida Tlaib agrees.

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They put us in photos when they want to show our party is diverse. However, when we ask to be at the table, or speak up about issues that impact who we are, what we fight for & why we ran in the first place, we are ignored. To truly honor our diversity is to never silence us.

by Anonymousreply 248Last Monday at 9:59 AM

R237, that's the whole thing with the different employment numbers the government puts out monthly. The U-6 number takes into consideration the underemployed like your Lyft driver. People on this thread like to hold onto the number the media reports as gospel and pretend the reported number magically rid the country of the inconvenient underemployed, discouraged and marginally attached because they aren't included.

by Anonymousreply 249Last Monday at 10:02 AM

I like r199 s plan except the last bullet. If we don’t give drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, they will drive anyway and there will be more hit and run issues. This happens enough already with the ones who chose to drive without licenses.

by Anonymousreply 250Last Monday at 10:28 AM

Are any like this? He's Mexican.

by Anonymousreply 251Last Monday at 10:44 AM

More along these lines

by Anonymousreply 252Last Monday at 10:50 AM

They're coming to get you, Cher!

by Anonymousreply 253Last Monday at 10:53 AM

[quote]She's getting called out on the past comment about wanting to house Dreamers. People's views can change over time. I remember when the late actor Ron Silver went from being a Democrat and then after 9/11 he started supporting W and he spoke at the 2004 Republican National Convention.

Because Israel. Next.

by Anonymousreply 254Last Monday at 10:58 AM

I’m starting to change my tune on immigration. It does seem to be out of control. But a wall will not work. I know probably hundreds of undocumented people through my work, and I don’t know a single one who walked across the border. I’d say the majority came through tunnels and then the others just flew over and stayed. Several came in cars with fake documents, and a few by boat. A wall is an ineffective waste of money.

by Anonymousreply 255Last Monday at 11:39 AM

R255 Then why are border patrol asking for it?

by Anonymousreply 256Last Monday at 11:40 AM

R246 That's because R255 knows more about the border issues than the border agents at the scene, silly. Right, R255? Dumb fuck.

by Anonymousreply 257Last Monday at 11:41 AM

R255 are they?

by Anonymousreply 258Last Monday at 11:42 AM

That’s right, r257.

by Anonymousreply 259Last Monday at 11:43 AM

R255 If a wall (or any border for that matter) doesn't work then when are you going to remove your fence, your doors and your windows from your home so strangers can just traipse on in?

by Anonymousreply 260Last Monday at 11:43 AM

Trump made those statements to troll the progressive left into showing how hypocritical they are and it's working. God, he's going to get a 1972 Nixon majority next time.

by Anonymousreply 261Last Monday at 11:44 AM

Yep. Thank yourselves.

by Anonymousreply 262Last Monday at 11:45 AM

R260 All I’m saying is that the money spent on a wall is not likely to pay off with a significant reduction in illegal immigration in my opinion. It’ll never get built, so it’s a moot point.

by Anonymousreply 263Last Monday at 11:48 AM

[quote]And LOL that California's homeless are all lazy whites. JFC.

You can stop LOLing then. They majority of homeless people in California (and the US at large) are White.

Here is the kicker, a great part of them are transplants from the South and Midwest as the one ticket program drove states to ship their undesirables, veterans, mentally ill, and poor into a sanctuary state like California.

by Anonymousreply 264Last Monday at 11:51 AM

R263 Back in the 1980s the Democrats were all for a wall so long as Reagan granted amnesty for the millions of illegals. Or so they said. Unfortunately, be believed them and granted them amnesty. Then, like Lucy yanking the ball away, they laughed and refused to build a wall.

Years later, Hillary was for the wall before she was against it. But what else is new?

by Anonymousreply 265Last Monday at 11:57 AM

R264 That's because the illegals took their jobs and schools and accommodation. You don't think flooding a country with cheap workers (i.e. slaves) isn't going to have an affect on low-wage citizens?

by Anonymousreply 266Last Monday at 11:58 AM

[quote} These activist judges should be made to be held accountable for any crimes their pets wave through.

Yep, here I am, the only Supreme Court judge who is an admitted alcoholic, deplorable behavior in front of congress and known rapist.

by Anonymousreply 267Last Monday at 12:09 PM

They're all drunks. And a known rapist? In your fevered dreams. You still voted for serial rapist Bill Clinton didn't you? You can't think too low of them then.

by Anonymousreply 268Last Monday at 12:13 PM

No R266, stop lying and diverting the facts. The reason homeless are shipped to California from those other states is they have failed to responsibility for their own people. This is typical of Red states, they love to blame everyone but themselves and by the same token ask for the most handouts.

by Anonymousreply 269Last Monday at 12:14 PM

R267 still supports the lieutenant governor of Virginia however.

by Anonymousreply 270Last Monday at 12:17 PM

I didnt say the Supreeme court was all drunks, I said Judge Kavanaugh is a know drunk. Its a fact.

And FYI Bill Clinton was never accused of rape, all those woman slept with him by choice than later turned on him when they wanted money. AKA Paula Jones. Kavanaugh was and is a known rapist. The woman he raped testified before congress. Get your facts straight.

by Anonymousreply 271Last Monday at 12:18 PM

[quote] You don't think flooding a country with cheap workers (i.e. slaves) isn't going to have an affect on low-wage citizens?

Farm Workers' union and democratic party saint Cesar Chavez understood this when he sent patrols of union leg-breakers to the border to discourage "wetbacks" (his term). An element of his biography generally whitewashed out now.

by Anonymousreply 272Last Monday at 12:18 PM

Judge Kavanaugh is a known Rapist

by Anonymousreply 273Last Monday at 12:24 PM

This illustration is very interesting. He uses 1 gumball to represent 1 million people, and shows hows the numbers add up. 3 Billion people make less than $2/day (as of filming of this video).

[quote]Immigration - Global humanitarian reasons for current U.S. immigration are tested in this updated version of immigration author and journalist Roy Beck's colorful presentation of data from the World Bank and U.S. Census Bureau. The 1996 version of this immigration gumballs presentation has been one of the most viewed immigration policy presentations on the internet.

by Anonymousreply 274Last Monday at 12:25 PM

R272, you are using some false event from 50 years ago to address today issues? WEAK! In that case, lets go all the way back to when my ancestors (yes I am Native America) were rapped, murdered, and had their land stolen from them by all the white men from Europe.

by Anonymousreply 275Last Monday at 12:31 PM

California, Arizona, Florida, and Texas are the main destinations of the One-way Bust ticket program which red states abuse in order not to be responsible for their homeless citizens . Los Angeles county alone adding 20,000 homeless people from out of state in the last few months, and L.A. is the top destination where states send their homeless veterans and homeless young adults.

At least New York is starting to ship their homeless to Atlanta and Orlando instead of their old preferred destination of Austin (TX) and Los Angeles (Ca). NY's main homeless shipping destination in mainland United States is now the cities of Atlanta and Orlando.

Of the thousands of Bus one way tickets New York handed out in the last few months the top destinations were to Atlanta (GA) and Orlando(FL) followed by tickets to Los Angeles(Ca.), Miami (FL), and Austin (TX).

by Anonymousreply 276Last Monday at 12:35 PM

Conservatives ALWAYS use this line when they talk about limiting Refugees and Immigrants - saying "What about the homeless"

However when Conservatives are in power, what do they do for the homeless? NOTHING.

by Anonymousreply 277Last Monday at 12:36 PM

Most homeless are mentally ill, drug addicts or have emotional problems. There are not jobs being taken away from them because most could not handle a job if it was handed to them on a silver platter. What they need is help.

I dare you to put your money where your mouth is. Fire you undocumented cleaning person at work or home, go to skid row and offer 30 bucks to have them clean your house.

by Anonymousreply 278Last Monday at 12:44 PM

[quote]However when Conservatives are in power, what do they do for the homeless?

Not true! We take them off the street and into a bus to California !!!

by Anonymousreply 279Last Monday at 12:45 PM

[quote] Conservatives ALWAYS use this line when they talk about limiting Refugees and Immigrants - saying "What about the homeless"

Cher is conservative ?

by Anonymousreply 280Last Monday at 12:45 PM

Is Cher Armenian Orthodox or Armenian Rite Catholic? I know the Kardashians are Orthodox as they had their babies baptized at the Armenian Orthodox church in Jerusalem.

by Anonymousreply 281Last Monday at 12:48 PM

R273 Anyone who reads DailyKos much less links deserves a bullet to the head.

by Anonymousreply 282Last Monday at 12:51 PM

R276 And what do all those states have in common? Oh that's right. They're warm. So the homeless wont' freeze to death when they refuse to enter homeless shelters because they'd rather drink and/or do drugs.

by Anonymousreply 283Last Monday at 12:53 PM

[quote]Cher is conservative ?

No, she campaigned for Hillary in the last election. So not ultra liberal, but not a Trumpeter or Repug.

by Anonymousreply 284Last Monday at 12:59 PM

R282 is about to get a visit from the local police. Keep it up, they have your IP.

by Anonymousreply 285Last Monday at 1:00 PM

R284 That person was being facetious. Some cunt upthread was calling anyone who points out the homeless situation is a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 286Last Monday at 1:01 PM

You've written worse about others on here (including on this thread), R285. Keep playing.

by Anonymousreply 287Last Monday at 1:02 PM

Really relieved to see some common sense being bantered about here on the DL. Unemployment, race has nothing to do with it. It's all about Americans looking out for their own and the generations coming up. That's all it has ever been about for true Americans who are not ignorant.

I've made a few enemies here who stalk me around the board from my posts back in the fall of '18. Apparently one of these empty headed trolls is upset because his parents were immigrants from some 3rd world hell hole. Couldn't even pick up on me being a naturalized US citizen myself. While I adore birth land Canada my loyalty is to the US & to my fellow citizens. No one else. The US IS my family.

Jumped right on my thread opening with reply #2. These people are confused traitors.

by Anonymousreply 288Last Monday at 1:06 PM

Whoever advised Trump on this knows what "Liberal" Democrats are really like. He knew how bad it would make us look. It's just another case of hypocrisy. We're all for helping immigrants just not in my backyard.

I think immigration is something whoever the Democrat nominee is better stay far away from. Stick with healthcare, poverty, hunger, education, making the rich pay their fair share and leave it at that, with 80% of what they talk about healthcare and good paying jobs and maybe 2% about the environment and the other 18% about the rest.

by Anonymousreply 289Last Monday at 1:07 PM

Migrants bring all of there problems with them. Just visit London and see what has happened to this once fine City.

by Anonymousreply 290Last Monday at 1:12 PM

[quote]Migrants bring all of there problems with them. Just visit London and see what has happened to this once fine City.

I know exactly what you are saying R290 As an Native American, look what happened to my country with all the Europeans and their Small Pox Blankets.

A once beautiful country now full of white men and shit holes.

by Anonymousreply 291Last Monday at 1:17 PM

[quote]Voters told her where she could shove that.

Yes, by voting for her in much larger numbers than Dump. Take that, Hillary!

by Anonymousreply 292Last Monday at 1:20 PM

Some here are getting lost in the semantics of it all & are falling into digressions.

Let us focus on taking care of ourselves & then working together with Mexico to extend a better standard of living south of our border. Eventually Mexico, US & Canada will become a self sufficient continental entity. We're witnessing the issues now that will lead up to this fabulous trio of nations. Every nation outside of our borders is in real deep shit with no way out in the foreseeable future. Once we tackle this problem with immigration we're gonna be thriving like it is nobody's business. Truth can't be said about South America, China (just wait for their collapse), Russia, Middle East & Europe. Overcoming our obstacles will be a cakewalk in comparison. First step is taking care of ourselves and then teaming up with Mexico & Canada. Continental self reliance. We really won't need anyone else.

by Anonymousreply 293Last Monday at 1:26 PM

R291, you don't speak as a Native American Indigenous person.

by Anonymousreply 294Last Monday at 1:30 PM

[quote] Of the thousands of Bus one way tickets New York handed out in the last few months the top destinations were to Atlanta (GA) and Orlando(FL) followed by tickets to Los Angeles(Ca.), Miami (FL), and Austin (TX).

Not certain about Orlando but otherwise these cities are each aggressively progressive. This suggests there is at least tacit consent for NY 's actions.

by Anonymousreply 295Last Monday at 1:32 PM

She is right that California needs to take care of her own before taking in new customers. Problem is that Trump is the one threatening to ship them there. Under a normal administration 85% of them would have been deported back to their countries already but that is not what GOPers want. They want to create a problem so that it helps them hold on to Arizona and Texas.

The 2000 crisis under the Clinton/Bush years was worse, yet president Clinton pardoned those immigrants in order to prevent a human rights crisis under the incoming Bush Jr. administration, erected fencing in certain parts of the Southwest in order to manage the flow of illegal immigration into California and Arizona, his deportation rate was 52%, and in the end his efforts paid off because the the flow of illegal immigration dropped. Bill Clinton accomplished his goal [bold]without violating the human rights of men and women[/bold].

If the racist Republicans were smarter, they would take a page out of the Clinton administration and this problem would have been contained already.

by Anonymousreply 296Last Monday at 1:37 PM

So does that mean you’re going to sponsor a family too, R296?

by Anonymousreply 297Last Monday at 2:02 PM

Child, I have sponsored two homeless men from Kentucky, a red state that consistently votes against gay rights. I have aided a Russian asylum seeker and a North Korean woman that parted from China.

Here in California we have walked the walk. This caravan crisis is all on Republicans, so it's time they take care of their own made problems. Turn your attention to them, and then come here and tell us how it panned out.

by Anonymousreply 298Last Monday at 2:10 PM

Fuck Cher right up her big sloppy ass.

by Anonymousreply 299Last Monday at 2:13 PM

[quote] I have a number of friends who have lived in California all their lives but have recently fled to other states because, as they say, California isn't America anymore

This is hilarious to me as my neighborhood was mostly minorities when I moved it.

It’s mostly insufferable young white couples with a baby [italic] and [/italic] nanny these days.

by Anonymousreply 300Last Monday at 2:24 PM

“...when I moved in.” I meant.

And “insufferable entitled young white couples”, I meant.

I’m white, if it matters. So, my neighborhood “looks like (Fox’s) America”, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 301Last Monday at 2:27 PM

[quote]I have a number of friends who have lived in California all their lives but have recently fled to other states because, as they say, California isn't America anymore

Were this your friends by any chance?

by Anonymousreply 302Last Monday at 2:40 PM

We are a nation of immigrants. No human being is illegal. Bring them out of the shadows. They do the jobs Americans won't do.

by Anonymousreply 303Last Monday at 3:36 PM

Here's what Trump is really threatening if you look between the lines. Firstly, he's taking Pelosi & Newsom to task. Putting the onus on them in their own backyards. Secondly, he knows that legal American Mexican citizens and Mexicans with work visas will flip the fuck out of these Central American economic migrants are allowed to enter & claim amnesty. Trump knows Mexican Americans & those waiting for their legal status will back him. This is the tactic he is using. Because applying for amnesty is a slippery slope. If Central Americans are claiming they're running from danger then any Mexican can argue the same thing as Mexico has slid down into dangerous corruption itself. Life is rife with danger for the good, decent Mexican people. Now THEY need our help & deserve it but we need to get our own house in order first. Our seniors, our vets, our homeless. Our black communities urgently need attention. Especially our black citizens because their ancestors go way back. No Central American migrant should ever have the audacity to take support of any kind at the expense of the American population. Shouldn't dare come before our animals our 1st world society is still forced to euthanize because of overpopulation. We're never gonna up our standard of living to that of Canada, Japan & Switzerland but considering our size & diverse population, we're doing alright. We strive to become better but we'll just be spinning our wheels & fall into disrepair if we don't stem the influx of people who have no business being here. It's robbery. Breaking & entering. With technology increasingly switching to robotics for menial tasks these poor 3rd world migrants will be of no use. They're a drain now & a hemorrage in the future. They're loads.

by Anonymousreply 304Last Monday at 4:10 PM

R303, you need to educate yourself. That's old rhetoric. There were so many jobs Americans would do if they weren't undercut, UNDERCUT! by illegals. Plenty of high school & college kids helped themselves by running their own lawn cutting services. Not economically feasible when they get UNDERCUT by illegals willing to work for pennies. Plenty of seniors on a limited budget could make a little bank on the side working child care services. These American kids & seniors would also be paying in some state & federal taxes.

All at the expense of the American. Every one of us.

by Anonymousreply 305Last Monday at 4:24 PM

R301, doesn't matter if you're white, hispanic, black, native. Keep to the subject. Race does not factor in here. Race does not factor in with our homeless problem. In all actuality, race doesn't factor in ANYWHERE when it concerns what is best for our family; American citizens.

Americans for Americans. Let's face it, who else do we have? Who else is gonna have our backs?

Once this reality sinks in for ourselves there are two words. Just two words.

by Anonymousreply 306Last Monday at 4:36 PM

[quote]A once beautiful country now full of white men and shit holes.

Don't forget the blacks and Hispanics!

by Anonymousreply 307Last Monday at 4:44 PM

So you think the homeless are all illegal immigrants? Uh. No. They are the metal health sufferers that can not get any help. The drug addicts with no support structure to stop.Theyy are the jobless, who cannot get a job that pays a livable wage. They are the disenfranchised from society. Immigrants come into our country, move into cities and become tax payers. Crime even goes down when a large immigration population is around. So, comments that LA are somewhat disingenuous; support living wage, universal healthcare, economic financial policies that evenly distribute wealth instead of the top 1%.

by Anonymousreply 308Last Monday at 4:55 PM

r308 read this from the above poster:

[quote]With technology increasingly switching to robotics for menial tasks these poor 3rd world migrants will be of no use. They're a drain now & a hemorrage in the future. They're loads.

by Anonymousreply 309Last Monday at 4:57 PM

[quote] No human being is illegal.

close enough

by Anonymousreply 310Last Monday at 5:01 PM

[quote]I have a number of friends who have lived in California all their lives but have recently fled to other states because, as they say, California isn't America anymore.

Yeah, I know people like that, they are mostly white racists Boomers. They think if you are not white, you are not American. Never mind the fact that some Chinese have been here since the turn of the 19th century and the lower part of CA used to be Mexico before it became a state. Mexicans have been a part of LA for hundreds of years before it was a city.

by Anonymousreply 311Last Monday at 5:03 PM

People are feeling by the thousands. That's why a shack is $500k.

by Anonymousreply 312Last Monday at 5:07 PM

[quote]A once beautiful country now full of white men and shit holes.

[quote]Don't forget the blacks and Hispanics!

Blacks were brought here by the white man, they didn't have a choice. Hispanics were always part of the country from California, Nevada, New Mexico until that area became part of the use.

by Anonymousreply 313Last Monday at 5:08 PM

That's foreign investors, laundering their ill-gotten money r312. Where the fuck have you been? LA, Vancouver, NYC etc. You think most of those places are being bought by Americans? There are condo towers in NYC that are sold-out but nobody's living there full-time.

by Anonymousreply 314Last Monday at 5:09 PM

[quote]Hispanics were always part of the country from California, Nevada, New Mexico until that area became part of the use.

Yeah, and they stole the land from the Indigenous Americans lol!

by Anonymousreply 315Last Monday at 5:10 PM

R291 living up to those stereotypes. You've GOT to be on an alcohol laden bender. Hoping you're sleeping it off. But you're not a Native American. Well maybe if you count the 2.8%. Then you could also factor in your maybe 12% Euro-Caucasian and identify as a white American. You're not fooling anybody as to the rest of your DNA makeup.

But by all means keep on banging on about WHITE people. Those white people who are your family.

If China AND/or Russia declared war on our nation your head would spin as Americans unite overnight. Solid back up..up the ass from Canada & Mexico.

By stemming the hoards of economic migrants we force those nations south of our border to take responsibility for themselves like adults do. Only they can up their level of existence. These caravans are bailing on their own people. Self determination has to be earned by the very people of a nation. Nobody else can bestow it on you. Just ask the Japanese.

Once all Americans shift their perceptions as being PERSONAL examples, representatives, ambassadors under that star spangled banner then the sky is the limit.

The media has conjured up propaganda of internal racial strife in the US. Scare mongering articles sure do garner up a lot of hits. Those hits determine the amount of $ to run ads. The media (especially Brit Daily Mail) is emotionally abusing American citizens to put money in their own coffers. They don't care about us. We have a cop problem that mistakenly came to be perceived as a citizen problem. That's where BLM lost their steam & their way. Leaders of clarity are needed all around.

Media run propaganda is all it is. In fact the majority of Americans have never been so united at this time in our history. You can thank affordable at home DNA kits for that victory.

by Anonymousreply 316Last Monday at 5:42 PM

Trust me, there are bidding wars going on over houses in CA and they are not foreign investors.

I don't give a fuck about some tacky condos in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 317Last Monday at 5:47 PM

Wait until you come home and these illegals are in your house, stealing your things, tying you up and raping your family. That’s what they do. Keep those people out of here.

by Anonymousreply 318Last Monday at 5:51 PM

Cher and The Cher Show take over Jimmy Fallon tonight at 11:30!

by Anonymousreply 319Last Monday at 5:53 PM

I just remembered the “boat people” from Vietnam and Cambodia who were taken in by our suburban CT church in the 70s. I remember them but not any controversy about them. There must have been, but I was just a kid and mostly felt awful for them.

And honestly, I’m not worried as much about the South and Central Americans coming here. I think the vast majority want to work and make good.

I’m most resentful of the Russians who come to NYC and immediately start working the welfare system. Absolute scammers.

by Anonymousreply 320Last Monday at 6:03 PM

[quote]Yeah, and they stole the land from the Indigenous Americans lol!

Wrong again Dipshit. I see you failed high school History. There were no boarders back then, all the areas blended back then. Native Americans didnt have "a wall".

by Anonymousreply 321Last Monday at 6:43 PM

Mexico long before America was fully formed.

by Anonymousreply 322Last Monday at 6:47 PM

R320 preach it. Here in NYC & was outraged at how those Russians are raping American tax payers. Stories I could tell you. Bet we can both swap stories & end up knowing the same Russian scammers. They're disgusting! All running lucrative gigs off the books. Doubly fucking Americans by hoarding $ that should be paying income tax. Fucking loads. They also generally make shitty parents so we're guaranteeing them costing our generations coming up. Now a clouded mind will bring their caucasian race into it. A sharp mind inherently knows race doesn't factor in here.

Now if one insists upon dwelling on race & ethnic origins then it is to our benefit to make the distinction between a Central/South American vs Mexican.

That "hard work ethnic" made infamous by Mexicans shall not be bestowed upon Central/South Americans or other hispanics like PRs & Cubans. Don't buy that these Central Americans just want to work & better themselves. That's cultural appropriation right there! Mexicans can claim this. They've proven themselves. Archeological finds are proving just how deeply ingrained this work ethic is innately within them. Their historical archives alone support the existence of this trait. That's not all if you take in DNA findings. You know what they discovered re: Mexicans vs Central South American phenotypes if you've been a longtime reader of the DL.

by Anonymousreply 323Last Monday at 6:52 PM

R323 I’m with you. Mexicans are not always hard workers and we don’t need them for a jobs. Their undercutting of labor is what helped this mess.

by Anonymousreply 324Last Monday at 7:04 PM

r321 Native Americans were LIVING on the land, the Spanish came in and took it. Dipshit.

by Anonymousreply 325Last Monday at 7:05 PM

R321/322, don't know why you're bothering with that dope. Just on the premise of the lol alone.

But will support your replies. Just gonna tweak it up a bit beyond high school history as it was known back in the day. You know where we're going with this, right?

DNA testing widely available to all these days is such a blessing. Not only for nabbing murderers but to prove just how interrelated the population of North America really is. Americans are so tightly woven together on the whole & that knit becomes exponentially intricate with upcoming generations. We've unwittingly bred ourselves into a super race of human over here.

It's no coincidence Prince Harry chose an American. It's no wonder heiress Chloe Green used her $ to entice Jeremy Meeks into sperm donor gig. There is no other option available to them to assure their progeny will inherit desirable dominant traits. Snag an American. The 3rd fact that nails this argument is that wealthy Brits are the largest foreign supporters of our egg & sperm bank industry. That right there tells you everything you need to know.

We have no idea of who we really are as a people. A wunderkind, in essence.

Not all Native Americans died off. They're around still but mostly absorbed into the population since time immortal on this continent. So if you have some pioneer ancestors or those from the slave trade chances are pretty good one of these fierce people managed to get themselves in there. They're like the Irish in that respect. They got around 😂 Also share the unenviable trait of alcoholism. That seemed to help them 'get around' though. A theory for future pondering.

In even minute percentages this is what we have coursing through and veins and the rest of the world does not.

Please make a note of it

by Anonymousreply 326Last Monday at 7:46 PM

R323 here. I agree with you R324. We don't need them and especially Central & South Americans. The latter need to be barred by the Mexicans, though. We could use their help by them returning to Mexico and start showing up for their heritage & end the corruption. Go home & take power.

by Anonymousreply 327Last Monday at 7:52 PM

R327 here. I meandered. Digression. The point I was making is that Mexicans, in general are genetically worlds apart than your average Central American as much as they are from South Americans. A similar but different beast altogether. They produce fine beer we must say. How very North American of them 😅

by Anonymousreply 328Last Monday at 8:01 PM

R324 fully supports R323. But I thought you were the same person?

by Anonymousreply 329Last Monday at 8:10 PM

R329 no not the same. We’ve got to keep these damn Russians out too because they are awful.

by Anonymousreply 330Last Monday at 8:15 PM

I would love to welcome foreign college student who overstay their visas, only. The most I could bend over on this matter.

by Anonymousreply 331Last Monday at 8:15 PM

[quote] Native Americans were LIVING on the land, the Spanish came in and took it. Dipshit.

No shit Sherlock, but Mexicans were also sharing the same land as the Native Americans.

by Anonymousreply 332Last Monday at 8:16 PM

Understand the confusion because R323 was backing up my R305 so I, R324 support R323.

I'm all over the place w/my points tonight which reminds me, gotta go out & grab some Coronas. Be back though..

by Anonymousreply 333Last Monday at 8:16 PM

[quote]I think immigration is something whoever the Democrat nominee is better stay far away from. Stick with healthcare, poverty, hunger, education, making the rich pay their fair share and leave it at that, with 80% of what they talk about healthcare and good paying jobs and maybe 2% about the environment and the other 18% about the rest.

You can't talk about healthcare, poverty, hunger, education, and good paying jobs without talking about the strain that immigration, especially illegal immigration, puts on those issues. If they talk about those issues without talking about fixing the immigration system they are NOT talking about solutions, only band-aids.

by Anonymousreply 334Last Monday at 8:20 PM

[quote]Please make a note of it ...Not all Native Americans died off.

Of what? you are just babbling about things the rest of us already know.. I am Native American AND I have the DNA test to prove it. Always strikes me funny how white people always speak as if this country was always theirs and that their ancestors almost complete annihilation of an entire race does not factor into their fake outrage.

by Anonymousreply 335Last Monday at 8:25 PM

I'm also R323 agreeing w/R320 (you R330). Oops, I am R323 & I agreed with R324 over my initial commentary of how Americans are being UNDERCUT by Mexicans et. al.

Do my own yard work & when I don't I only hire Americans. People say I'm being foolish but I throw out the retort "I'm the only Indian allowed to care take my lands"

by Anonymousreply 336Last Monday at 8:28 PM

R333 I would just knock off the detective work.

by Anonymousreply 337Last Monday at 8:29 PM

She tweets Trumpian.

by Anonymousreply 338Last Monday at 8:30 PM

Really R335? Care to share what tribe? Come on, tell us.

by Anonymousreply 339Last Monday at 8:31 PM

[quote]You can't talk about healthcare, poverty, hunger, education, and good paying jobs without talking about the strain that immigration, especially illegal immigration, puts on those issues.

The problem is, Repug and Deplorables only want to talk about that one thing, Immigration. Where is the plan for Better, Cheaper, Faster healthcare Trump promised his voters 2 years ago? He had both the house, senate and the Presidency and still couldn't get the job done. If it was such a great plan, why did it hinge on one Republican vote? A truly great plan would have brought along all the Democrats as well. AND it was just to kill healthcare act. There WAS NO REPLACEMENT PLAN AND STILL DON'T HAVE ONE.

by Anonymousreply 340Last Monday at 8:31 PM

Come on R335! Tell us. Can't wait for this response. You don't know who you're messing with here😎

by Anonymousreply 341Last Monday at 8:34 PM

R334 gets it. TY R334. Some sense finally

by Anonymousreply 342Last Monday at 8:36 PM

R334 is cherry picking concepts. Where is the Health Care Plan from Republicans? Throw it into the immigrate discussion. Link Please, I am waiting. Oh wait, you cant do that BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!

by Anonymousreply 343Last Monday at 8:39 PM

I find it fascinating that anyone with a brain can't see a capitalist society like America wouldn't survive a month without illegal immigration.I find it even more fascinating seeing kids of immigrants opposing it.

by Anonymousreply 344Last Monday at 8:39 PM

Are they going to take back her Oscar? I did Fatal Attraction that year. I'll take it.

by Anonymousreply 345Last Monday at 8:43 PM

R335, while you're informing us of your tribal association would you also come clean about idenifying as African American as well? Because indigenous people don't go on & on about white people. Blacks do that. Not the Shinnecocks, though.

by Anonymousreply 346Last Monday at 8:45 PM

^all minorities talk about white people like this.

by Anonymousreply 347Last Monday at 8:51 PM

R337, explained because blocking people to identify them messes w/their permissions.

Waiting on R335...

by Anonymousreply 348Last Monday at 8:51 PM

[quote]We have no idea of who we really are as a people. A wunderkind, in essence.

What the hell are you smoking?

by Anonymousreply 349Last Monday at 8:56 PM

I once tweeted to Cher if she would attend a class I was teaching where I was showing Silkwood to teach about the nuclear power controversy. She tweeted back when is it, where etc. and then she suddenly blocked me. Bitch. The class was even in Mailbu!!!

by Anonymousreply 350Last Monday at 8:56 PM

R347, no, we don't. Especially NAs or Asians. That's a black hang up if ever there was one. So, what tribe? Just answer the question, scaredy cat fronting. Come on. School us. Please.

by Anonymousreply 351Last Monday at 8:56 PM

[quote]No shit Sherlock, but Mexicans were also sharing the same land as the Native Americans.

And Mexicans stole the land from Native Americans.

by Anonymousreply 352Last Monday at 9:04 PM

[quote]It's no coincidence Prince Harry chose an American. It's no wonder heiress Chloe Green used her $ to entice Jeremy Meeks into sperm donor gig. There is no other option available to them to assure their progeny will inherit desirable dominant traits.

Because they hate their families and wanted to piss them off. Not so they could breed genetically superior children. JFC.

by Anonymousreply 353Last Monday at 9:06 PM

Yes R353, to piss off their families😂 How underclass a response.

Because thinking of their future children has absolutely no input in their decisions, right? You've GOT to be black.

You're also stalling on telling us the tribe you're affiliated. You also blocked me & realized you're going head to head with the author of R304. Also that I frolicked onto this thread @ R288

by Anonymousreply 354Last Monday at 9:19 PM

Ownership by right of conquest was how national relations worked for most of history. Including first people’s history, too. It was only outlawed between WWII and 1974.

by Anonymousreply 355Last Monday at 9:35 PM

His 87% black ass skeddadled😂

by Anonymousreply 356Last Monday at 10:36 PM

R351 is right. East Asians love white people. Some people say it's lame of them, but that makes me like them back.

Non-white Latinos have aligned with African-Americans. I'm glad that whites have Asians on our side. Not that there are sides at all times of course.

by Anonymousreply 357Last Monday at 11:29 PM

Asians not showing solidarity with other minorities isn't a good thing. They're selling out. Assimilationists.

by Anonymousreply 358Last Monday at 11:32 PM

Native Americans tend to have the worst statistics and poverty rates out of all racial groups. They also get killed at higher rates by police officers than Black Americans. Maybe Native Americans should double check their opinions of white people.

by Anonymousreply 359Last Tuesday at 12:01 AM

A lot of Asian Americans don't appreciate their Asian culture for some reason. My Asian friends are literally the only people I've heard say that they wish they were white.

by Anonymousreply 360Last Tuesday at 12:04 AM

Keep digging that hole, black troll. Take your racial preoccupation elsewhere. So predictable to pull the asian card. You're not damaging whites or asians. You have no power. Just spinning your wheels and displaying your envy. So fucking sorry for you. What a burden you must carry.

by Anonymousreply 361Last Tuesday at 12:37 AM

That Datalounge, which used to be a bastion of liberal/progressive thought, has at least a number of people defending Trump on this issue indicates how opinions are moving to the right in this country. The supporters are not all Boris, in fact I think none are. The idea that Russia would expend trolls on Datalounge is laughable.

by Anonymousreply 362Last Tuesday at 5:02 AM

R360, they appreciate some of their Confucian inheritance Andrew other aspects of their respective Asian backgrounds, but they're Americans, so they like *their* culture — American culture.

I'm grateful for the melting pot.

by Anonymousreply 363Last Tuesday at 5:15 AM

R351 is right. I'd say they're African-American and Latino ("gringos") hangups.

I suspect it has something to do with being less wealthy on average.

by Anonymousreply 364Last Tuesday at 5:18 AM

[quote]Yes [R353], to piss off their families

Harry and that British heiress are empty-headed twits who love sticking it to their families, upper-class or not. The fact they found two of the most unsuitable people to marry is pretty clear as to their anger and motivations. Breeding "good stock" children is the least of their worries, probably never even crossed their minds. And in that heiress's case, the guy is a convicted felon and a career criminal.

And your notions of race and class are truly bizarre. But anyway back to the topic of this thread....

The amount of unskilled, uneducated people clamoring to enter the US, and those that are already here, are basically dead weight in the era of automation, and automation is only going to become greater in the next 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 365Last Tuesday at 5:22 AM

No one's brought up IQ yet. They're slipping.

by Anonymousreply 366Last Tuesday at 5:25 AM

[quote]Yeah, and they stole the land from the Indigenous Americans lol!

No. Mexicans are the hybrids of Natives/Europeans. They did not exist prior to them Meeting. There is a reason Natives of Mexico and Native Americans from the Southwest share the same DNA.

by Anonymousreply 367Last Tuesday at 6:02 AM

Which means that Mexicans are not pure Native. And they used that privilege against the Natives.

by Anonymousreply 368Last Tuesday at 6:24 AM

I just don't get Democrats and this migrant shit. We have and underclass of literally millions of native-born Americans (of all races) who are struggling without health care and unable to make a living wage, and Democrats want to roll out the carpet for millions of migrants who are unskilled and basically unemployable who will be on benefits and dropping anchor babies. It's madness. Taxpayers can only take so much.

by Anonymousreply 369Last Tuesday at 7:47 AM

[quote]I just don't get Democrats and this migrant shit.

The “deplorables” in PA, MI, and WI who voted for Obama, and then Trump in 2016... figured this out a while ago.

by Anonymousreply 370Last Tuesday at 9:29 AM

The far left is killing the Democrats

by Anonymousreply 371Last Tuesday at 9:36 PM

Still in the Billboard Top 200 after months

by Anonymousreply 372Last Tuesday at 10:40 PM

R367/R368 just back here. On a work break b/final shipments.

What was forgotten yesterday because just marvel at the self loathing POC trolls..you all know. They chase us into physics threads 😂 there's no way to shake them. So sad. They're begging for abuse it seems but their motive entails getting a chance to touch into our worlds. They stand no chance IRL.

Back to R367/R368. Let's explain it like this. My makeup consists of 3+ races. Mish mash of phenotypes common of the land I hail from. Now, Native Americans in Canada are known as "First Nation". I'm from the NE of Oh Canada. Now since forever we go back. There were so many different groups of migrations on the NA continent (Mexico, US & Canada) & DNA mapping has proven this. I am First Nation (métis=metizmo?) yet I'm also Inuit (Eskimo). There is a distinction there as to why Inuits ARE NOT considered 1st Nation. Inuits actually fall under the category of Mongolian race, not NA/1st nation. They're migration was of a group from Asia but of the Mongolian regions. So your Inuit came from elsewhere & made their way down from the arctic for trade. Because of their makeup & liver enzymes, the worst most violent drunks on the planet. Liquors usually banned in their communities. Dangerous.

They're all from same area but an inuit is not a mi'kmaq. Latter hails from Hokkaido Japan. Their quill work is legendary.

An inuit from Alaska is a different breed than an Inuit from Nunavut.

Mexicans aren't really NAs. A NA from the NW is of a different origin & separate migration that worked themselves throughout the land. The Plains for instance.

The Mexican is really an Inuit. An Eskimo. Not a Native American Indian. I mean, look at them. Body types built for harsh arctic climate, non? They made their way down the coast from Alaska in kayaks & just kept going south. Didn't stick around the NW. Now the inuit is the hardest working race at survival. Fact.

And there you have their built in work ethic, their stout bodies. DNA results sealed the deal. It really falls in line if you perceive from an anthropological perspective.

Forgive me taking so long to get to the point. Not the same beast as a Central &/or South American or even some NA tribes of the US. Sure there's overlap in the SW but the same can be said for the Canadian NE.

by Anonymousreply 373Last Wednesday at 3:02 AM

Back in the day starting in the mid 1500s in a god damned inhospitable freezer, these people made something out of nothing (exported en masse to Germany making fortunes). From the bark of birch trees & foraging for porcupine quills up in God's country. Bark & quills. That's all. From the land.

There's even a museum in Germany. This satchel is in an Ontario museum. Exquisite.

So what is the excuse of these self deserving cowardly caravan bands of thieves thinking they can sponge off of us?

by Anonymousreply 374Last Wednesday at 3:21 AM

R335 is now privy to info his ghetto ass wouldn't LEARN anywhere else.

Oh & the Mi'kmaq believe in 3 sexes. In fact to be a shaman "iron lady" requires being a gay male.

Pity R335. Not a soul could envy such a bitter, resentful individual. Mexican landscapers laugh at R335 & would never trade places.

by Anonymousreply 375Last Wednesday at 4:58 AM

[quote]That Datalounge, which used to be a bastion of liberal/progressive thought,

DL lost that distinction when it began defending and supporting authoritarian, regressive, homo-hating cultures and ideologies.

by Anonymousreply 376Last Wednesday at 6:23 AM

[quote] R369: Taxpayers can only take so much

“Taxpayers” just gave millionaires and billionaires a huge tax cut, so “no”, taxpayers can apparently take a lot more abuse than you give them credit for.

by Anonymousreply 377Last Wednesday at 6:42 AM

While that is somewhat true, r376, I am sure there is a place for even Zionism, somewhere in this world.

by Anonymousreply 378Last Wednesday at 6:48 AM

R378 steps right up to prove the point.

by Anonymousreply 379Last Wednesday at 6:53 AM

Cher's latest outburst shows how dim she is, and how Trump can play people. All she's done is show him she's upset, which was the intention all along. Salty liberal tears! His cult love that, and he knows it.

by Anonymousreply 380Last Wednesday at 6:57 AM

Cher has a right to speak out, just like anyone else.

by Anonymousreply 381Last Wednesday at 7:05 AM

Cher does a lot of good.

by Anonymousreply 382Last Wednesday at 7:09 AM

Trump's army: More than 300 asylum seekers surrender to armed militia of New Mexico citizens, made up of veterans and ex-cops, after crossing the US border

by Anonymousreply 383Last Wednesday at 9:03 AM

One of the biggest hypocrisies with white Democrats is with sanctuary cities. These liberals defend the presence of illegal aliens and advocate importing more of the poorest, least skilled workers into our communities. But once the invaders actually arrive, these same Democrats seem to run away faster than anyone else!

White flight is NOT strictly limited to Republican areas. It has been INTENSE in Democrat areas. You don't need the stats because it is SO easy to see it with your own eyes. There are cities and towns all over that used to be majority white Democrat areas. But now these same areas don't even look like the same place anymore - because once the non-white immigrants started flooding in, these white Democrats quickly ran away! When you think about the towns overrun by illegal aliens (and I think many of you can think of examples), many of these places are/were traditionally Democrat-leaning areas, and yet the whites STILL fled!

Do you really think any of the liberal talking heads you see in the media actually themselves live in one of these areas overrun by illegal aliens, and send their kids to those local schools? HECK NO! They don't do it, because they know better. They know better than to believe the rhetoric they espouse. Poverty and crime are connected - that's indisputable. So when an area is overrun by poor, low skilled illegal aliens, all of a sudden you're hearing stories of gang activity and brothels popping up where there used to be none of this stuff!

by Anonymousreply 384Last Thursday at 3:44 PM

Many in LA who support illegal immigration are the same people who are evicting them from their houses to give to gentrifying whites, and who then next get the cops to sweep the newly homeless Mexicans from the streets, mostly by insisting that if they are homeless, they must be mentally ill. In the meantime, they don't seem to have a problem with the truly mental homeless who are also arriving -- shit in the streets seem to perk up these real estate agents, and other members of their ilk.

by Anonymousreply 385Last Thursday at 3:49 PM

[quote]It's because they're dark skinned. Or Muslim.

See this proves you are just virtue signalling. MUSLIMS are not part of the Central American caravans trying to seek asylum or come to the US.

But it's become de rigeur to co-mingle "black and brown" people with "Muslims" when the 2 have nothing to do with each other.

LEFT wing troll alert.

by Anonymousreply 386Last Thursday at 3:54 PM

The hypocritical media (who would never themselves live in any of these destroyed areas) like to push that cherry-picked stat on how immigrants commit less crimes than citizens. First of all, we're talking ILLEGAL ALIENS, not immigrants. Second of all, it's not just the illegal aliens themselves - it's about the environment and culture they bring in, and many of the gang members and juvenile deliquents are THEIR KIDS and other "Dreamers". Every so often you'll get a cherry-picked example of the illegal alien becoming valedictorian, but that BY FAR does NOT represent most illegal aliens. Most illegal aliens struggle in school, and are susceptible to gang influence. Again, you CANNOT separate poverty and crime. So how does it help us to import poverty?

When you flood a once pleasant place with illegal aliens, it becomes not as nice a place anymore, and it's NOT about skin color. Liberals and pro-illegal aliens scream racism because they have no real argument and are shamelessly trying to defend lawbreakers. But it has NOTHING to do with skin color. It has to do with a once nice areas being destroyed. Many of us can list examples. And the Democrats themselves seem to know this too, which is why they themselves move away, even as they defend verbally these illegal aliens to try to feel better about themselves.

by Anonymousreply 387Last Thursday at 3:58 PM

Liberal hypocrisy is real.

by Anonymousreply 388Last Thursday at 4:00 PM

[quote] R362: The supporters are not all Boris, in fact I think none are. The idea that Russia would expend trolls on Datalounge is laughable.

I have no idea, but I recall that the pro-Trump posters practically disappeared completely overnight the day after his election. How could that happen, normally?

by Anonymousreply 389Last Thursday at 4:01 PM

[quote] So how does it help us to import poverty?

We’re the richest society in the world. There’s no reason we can’t afford this.

by Anonymousreply 390Last Thursday at 4:03 PM

r390 = Spending other people's money (from a heart based in Tel Aviv).

by Anonymousreply 391Last Thursday at 4:05 PM

[quote]We’re the richest society in the world. There’s no reason we can’t afford this.

No we're not morong. We're #11.

Ask Quatar, Singapore, Brunai, kuwait or UAE. They're top 5.

by Anonymousreply 392Last Thursday at 4:07 PM

[quote] R369: I just don't get Democrats and this migrant shit. We have and underclass of literally millions of native-born Americans (of all races) who are struggling without health care and unable to make a living wage, and Democrats want to roll out the carpet for millions of migrants who are unskilled and basically unemployable who will be on benefits and dropping anchor babies. It's madness. Taxpayers can only take so much

The Dems are the party of healthcare for all. Blame the Republicans if people lack it. This is recent history. There’s no reason for anyone not to know this.

Dems want secure borders. Obama deported more illegals than any President. It’s the Republicans who are deflecting with an expensive, ineffective wall.

The Republicans just gave the wealthiest a huge tax cut. If you can’t take so much, grab a musket and go see Mitch McConnell.

by Anonymousreply 393Last Thursday at 4:09 PM

R392, oh, only #11! Well, that explains why we can’t have nice things!

by Anonymousreply 394Last Thursday at 4:10 PM

[quote] R384: One of the biggest hypocrisies with white Democrats is with sanctuary cities. These liberals defend the presence of illegal aliens and advocate importing more of the poorest, least skilled workers into our communities. But once the invaders actually arrive, these same Democrats seem to run away faster than anyone else!

This is just in your head. All a sanctuary city means is an undocumented person can call for police or fire help without fear of deportation. And healthcare, and so forth. We all benefit from this.

by Anonymousreply 395Last Thursday at 4:14 PM

Heating up in here

by Anonymousreply 396Last Thursday at 4:22 PM

R391, ZING!😅😎

by Anonymousreply 397Last Thursday at 4:23 PM

[quote]Ask Quatar, Singapore, Brunai, kuwait or UAE.

Those countries would shoot them dead at the border.

by Anonymousreply 398Last Thursday at 5:38 PM

You cannot combine a bunch of socialist programs with open borders. Even Sanders has acknowledged this.

[quote]Dems want secure borders. Obama deported more illegals than any President.

The party has changed since Obama. Castro talks about open borders. Beto talks about tearing down existing border walls. I'm sure some Dems are still in favor of secure borders, but not all of them.

If Congress wants to secure the border, they should sit down and come up with new policies to do so, instead of pointing the finger at the other side. I'm sick of nothing getting done because of all this political posturing by both sides, while our country goes down the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 399Last Friday at 2:06 AM

She says:

[quote]WE ARE SANCTUARY CITIES BECAUSE WE DONT THROW PPL 2 DOGS

Um, yes, you DO!

The homeless situation in LA is hideous and has been for YEARS - meanwhile many people like her have MILLION$- they're SO GREEDY.

by Anonymousreply 400Last Friday at 2:23 AM

She’s ridiculous and a hypocrite.

by Anonymousreply 401Last Friday at 5:48 AM

shit look at paris and most of Europe, they cum in and tear up the place, shit ev where, ho out the native gals, are most rude!

by Anonymousreply 402Last Friday at 5:50 AM
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