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Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker Teaser

Well?

by Anonymousreply 327Last Thursday at 7:39 PM

Yawns ... in Space!

by Anonymousreply 104/12/2019

These sequels make the prequels look brilliant. Revenge of the Sith is better than anything since.

by Anonymousreply 204/12/2019

That looks incredible, actually.

by Anonymousreply 304/12/2019

R2 are you fucking kidding me?

by Anonymousreply 404/12/2019

Right back at you, r4. These sequels are laughable shit. Not that prequels were much better.

Well, let me correct: the prequels had fascinating concepts that were pathetically executed. At least up until SITH, which has an argument for best entry in the entire...ugh..."saga".

Also, Christenson and Portman were better looking than anything in the current films. Though Portmanm, especially, is awful as an actress.

by Anonymousreply 504/12/2019

That's a great title. I'd love it JJ gave the finger to Rian Johnson and brought Luke back to life. That's the only way the franchise will bring back a lot of the die hard fans. That being said, aside from the title, the trailer is boring as hell. It really showcased how little Disney has brought much to the franchise, relying on the episodes 1-6 for story elements: Lando, the desert planet, the open trailer type ship on the desert planet similar to Return of the Jedi, the Emperor. I liked Rey in TFA but here I just don't care.

by Anonymousreply 604/12/2019

I wish someone would just teach that chick to act

by Anonymousreply 704/12/2019

R2 = Camille Paglia

Although, to be fair. Revenge of Sith did at least grant us a wonderful score from score from Williams, evocative at times of Bruckner, Sibelius, Barber and even Pärt, and the art direction that seemed inspired by the biblical paintings of John Martin.

I'd buy it if Lucas re-released it with an isolated score, as like the rest of the prequel it would play so much better as a silent film.

by Anonymousreply 804/12/2019

*Revenge of the Sith

by Anonymousreply 904/12/2019

Then why ask for more Luke Skywalker, R6? These movies are incredibly dull on concepts and thematics.

by Anonymousreply 1004/12/2019

I'd agree with Paglia that it's, for a mainstream film, a borderline masterpiece as 21st century postmodernism. All the prequels are clever as postmodern deconstructions...they just have trouble in so many other areas.

But SITH is close to something fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 1104/12/2019

Are they going to have to navigate a treacherous steep server to find a tiny electronic part with data to disarm a big weapon again? Or is that cliché plot device's use three times enough?

by Anonymousreply 1204/12/2019

Portman's bubble butt is better looking than Daisy Ridley's face. It should be, she borrowed it from Matt Damon. So, win for the prequels there.

by Anonymousreply 1304/12/2019

Always that boring ass desert planet.

WHY???

by Anonymousreply 1404/12/2019

Same reason for all this crap, R14: nostalgic fanboys want to watch the same regurgitated shit, again and again. It made Lucas billions.

by Anonymousreply 1504/12/2019

R10, because after 40 years there is, or was, potential for Luke's story to go in directions we haven't seen in the movies before. But Disney isn't being imaginative and decides to plug new characters into old story lines. In The Last Jedi Luke was basically Yoda to Rey's Luke.

by Anonymousreply 1604/12/2019

The Rise of Skywalker is such a weird tagline to me.

Rey is not a Skywalker, the only Skywalker left is Ben so it seems to give a spoiler about him turning good.

by Anonymousreply 1704/12/2019

I'm still dead.

by Anonymousreply 1804/12/2019

All these movies are about the spirit realm. Why couldn't it be Anakin or Luke, R17?

by Anonymousreply 1904/12/2019

Actually of all the new films, I still think Rogue One was the best.

As a long time Star Wars fan I have very mixed feelings about Episodes 7 & 8.

by Anonymousreply 2004/12/2019

[quote]Then why ask for more Luke Skywalker, [R6]?

Maybe because Mark Hamill has more gravitas than the rest of cast.

by Anonymousreply 2104/12/2019

So Kylo lied when he said Rey’s parents were nobodies. Gasp!

by Anonymousreply 2204/12/2019

Well, it was nice to see Lando.

by Anonymousreply 2304/12/2019

“The Rise of Skywalker” is not the tag line. It’s the title.

by Anonymousreply 2404/12/2019

[quote]So Kylo lied when he said Rey’s parents were nobodies. Gasp!

J.J. Abrams said he's not retconning Rey's parents, so they'll remain nobodies.

by Anonymousreply 2504/12/2019

McDiarmid is back in part 9?

by Anonymousreply 2604/12/2019

R26, the Emperor's laugh is at the end of the trailer.

by Anonymousreply 2704/12/2019

I don’t see how anyone else can “rise” a Skywalker. Ben has not been set up as a redemption character. I suppose Luke can rise from the dead, but that doesn’t seem motivated either.

by Anonymousreply 2804/12/2019

Whose voice at the beginning?

by Anonymousreply 2904/12/2019

From Rolling Stone:

[quote]One of the most fraught issues in Episode IX is the loss of Carrie Fisher as General Leia Organa, who died before the release of Last Jedi. “You don’t recast that part,” says Abrams. “And you don’t have her disappear.” He confirmed reports that the film will utilize unused scenes shot with her from Force Awakens, with scenes written around them. “She is there in these scenes, and in some scenes with her daughter. Princess Leia lives in this film in a way that’s kind of mind-blowing for me.”

What daughter?

by Anonymousreply 3004/12/2019

Carrie's daughter, Billy Lourd, is in the movies.

by Anonymousreply 3104/12/2019

Palpatin is at least fun. We'll see. If it's entertaining enough, I'm fine with it.

by Anonymousreply 3204/12/2019

Where’s the Nepotism! Troll?

by Anonymousreply 3304/12/2019

I won't be paying money to see this anti white male hate fest.

by Anonymousreply 3404/12/2019

Luke is now one with the force. He isn’t dead. The sequels are called the Skywalker trilogy. Luke is the story through all of them.

by Anonymousreply 3504/12/2019

Based on the trailer, I think it's going to be as bad as everyone feared.

JJ Abrams has stated that it's going to have a lot callbacks to the originals and prequels - most forebodingly, putting in new twists that will change how fans view TLJ. The originals and prequels weren't perfect and these don't need to be. However:

- Mary Sue Rey. The voice at the beginning (Luke's r29) echoes what Yoda told Luke when he left Dagobah to save Han and Leia. There has always been a timing controversy around how long Luke trained with Yoda, and more broadly how much training Luke actually had, similar to the question of how much training Rey received. However, the BIG difference is that Luke's force skills are not central to the story line. Vader was holding back during the fight on the Cloud City. Rey is a Mary Sue with little to no character development.

- The Return of the Emperor. That is Ian McDiarmid's Emperor cackle at the end. This will likely be used to explain Snoke. Between TFA and TLJ, the two biggest debates were who was Snoke and who were Rey's parents. Now, while one could argue that Kylo Ren was lying about her parents, the silliness with which Snoke was killed is more complex. Now, combined this fact with the Emperor and we get the bad feeling that there will be some exposition laden scene wherein we find out Palpatine had always been pulling the strings and Snoke was merely a puppet. This could be fine, depending on how it's executed on screen. HOWEVER, the critical element which is seemingly missing since Snoke has been debated and all clues parsed ad nauseum is that there is NO foreshadowing of the Emperor was pulling the string and now sign that Snoke was a puppet.

- Callbacks to the originals and prequels. In a series like this, fans demand and expect some level of fan service and callbacks. The problem with TFA was that the entire movies was essentially a rehash of ANH. TLJ used the majority of the callbacks to openly mock fans (Luke throwing the lightsaber over the cliff is a prime example). Neither of these are damning. However, Where these new movies have gone off the rails is that they attempt to "borrow resonance" from the previous movies, rather than creating it. You achieve resonance by creating characters and situations/plot points in which the audience is invested. What the two previous movies spent the majority of time doing was lazily borrowing from the first six movies to create the emotional touch points.

- Putting in new twists that will change how fans view TLJ. This MIGHT be worthwhile if we get a "No, I am your father" moment where everything we thought we knew from Obi Wan being a little squirrely when he tells Luke that "a young Jedi named Darth Vader...betrayed and murdered your father" to Vader's comment "the force is strong in this one" during the final trench run is recast. However, what made that reveal so good is that there were hints and foreshadowing. It didn't come out of left field with the silly justification of "subverting our expectations." Based the past couple years of Disney (Kennedy) and Johnson trying to rationalize and justify TLJ, if the sole purpose of these "twists" is to "fix" TLJ, it's a waste of time that will inevitably cause the pacing of this new movie to drag.

Contrary to the points above, I recognize that we're not talking about highly crafted cinema. However, the underlying mechanics of plotting and storytelling done well are what make movies enjoyable and entertaining. The reveal at the end of The Sixth Sense is great only because we all immediately recognize that we should have seen it from the beginning.

For the audience to feel satisfied, we need a reversed Chekov's Gun: "is a concept that describes how every element of a story should contribute to the whole. "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired." In this case if he's going to fire a gun (i.e., give the audience twists and reveals), there needed to be a gun hanging on the wall some time earlier in TFA or TLJ.

by Anonymousreply 3604/12/2019

Meh.

I guess I'm in the minority but I liked the Last Jedi. The Force Awakens was literally a remake of The New Hope and I hated it for that. It wasn't bad, but it was a new low in un-originality. Looks like we are running back to the trough and vomit out the same old shit.

by Anonymousreply 3704/12/2019

TFA was a remake of A New Hope and The Last Jedi was a remake of both Empire and Return of the Jedi.

by Anonymousreply 3804/12/2019

Rian Johnson took such a big shit on the whole saga that I find it really hard to get excited about this. Thankfully they fired him and brought back J.J. Abrams since even though slightly boring The Force Awakens still was epic and true to Lucas's Star Wars.

I mean, honestly, I'm not really even a Star Wars fan but I was offended in the theater watching The Last Jedi. I kept thinking who is this fucking cunt who wrote and directed this.

by Anonymousreply 3904/12/2019

The Rise of Skywalker - Viagra in Space.

by Anonymousreply 4004/12/2019

[quote]However, Where these new movies have gone off the rails is that they attempt to "borrow resonance" from the previous movies, rather than creating it.

They tried with Space Leia.

by Anonymousreply 4104/12/2019

God help, but I am exited. The trailer looks great.

by Anonymousreply 4204/12/2019

Is this the last Star Wars film with this particular cast?

by Anonymousreply 4304/12/2019

"The Rise of Skywalker" sounds a bit clunky to me. The Rise of House Skywalker sounds better to me. Gives it more of a legacy kind of vibe.

by Anonymousreply 4404/12/2019

[quote]However, Where these new movies have gone off the rails is that they attempt to "borrow resonance" from the previous movies, rather than creating it.

[quote]They tried with Space Leia.

And that was an utter failure because:

- What little emotional impact that scene had was due to the audiences' investment in Leia from the original movies, not anything the new movies did to move her story forward or develop her character. Frankly, the close-ups of Kylo Ren and her face make it clear she KNOWS it's him about to fire. If they had actually had him fire, and she knew it, it would have done more for her story (albeit, at the cost of his).

- There has never been the slightest inkling that the force could save you after being ejected into space, let alone fly through space without any form of propulsion.

The single biggest mistake they made was to stick to the plan and have TFA be Han's movie, TLJ Luke's, and this one be Leia's. Carrie Fisher Died in 2016 almost a year before TLJ was released. They should have reshot portions with the other actors and built that scene into a set piece moment and killed Leia.

by Anonymousreply 4504/12/2019

[quote]Christenson and Portman were better looking than anything in the current films. Though Portman, especially, is awful as an actress.

Worse than Hayden Christensen?

by Anonymousreply 4604/12/2019

[quote]Christenson and Portman were better looking than anything in the current films. Though Portman, especially, is awful as an actress.

Oscar Isaac is very handsome. Ranking the men across all the main movies:

#1 by a wide margin: Harrison Ford

2. Ewan McGregor

3. Oscar Isaac

4. Mark Hamill

5. Hayden Christiansen

6. Billy Dee Williams

by Anonymousreply 4704/12/2019

Why is it singular? If Rey is a Skywalker, the so called Saga would end with Rey, Leia, and Luke as Skywalkers. Kylo Ren looks nothing like Han or Leia, so I don't buy him as a Skywalker.

by Anonymousreply 4804/12/2019

Awful dreck. It’ll make a brazillian dollars of course and the world will keep turning.

by Anonymousreply 4904/12/2019

[quote]She is there in these scenes, and in some scenes with her daughter. Princess Leia lives in this film in a way that’s kind of mind-blowing for me.”

[quote]What daughter?

It hasn’t been officially announced yet, but it’s rumored that Adam Driver will be playing Kylo Ren's twin sister Kylie Rae in drag. She’ll be one of the good guys and will have a baby pink lightsaber.

by Anonymousreply 5004/12/2019

[quote]J.J. Abrams said he's not retconning Rey's parents, so they'll remain nobodies.

Didn't he also say once that the people in Lost wouldn't end up being dead?

by Anonymousreply 5104/12/2019

No one's ever really gone....

Emperor's laugh.

Guess we know how that's going to go!

by Anonymousreply 5204/12/2019

The good guys (Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin) become Force Ghosts. What happens to the bad guys? I guess we'll find out.

by Anonymousreply 5304/12/2019

R50 Kylie Rae Santos. Has to have an ethnic angle for the SJWs.

by Anonymousreply 5404/12/2019

[quote]I guess I'm in the minority but I liked the Last Jedi.

Even the drawn-out, totally unnecessary Casino shit?

by Anonymousreply 5504/12/2019

R51 they weren't dead in the real timeline the show happened in. That parallel universe was not going to be purgatory but that plot was changed in the last season.

by Anonymousreply 5604/12/2019

Wait a minute. Is that a portion of one of the Death Stars I see at the 1:40 mark? Enough with the Death Stars. Please, not again. And again. And again. And...

by Anonymousreply 5704/12/2019

Fan service is the fried chicken of film.

by Anonymousreply 5804/12/2019

I don't understand the hate for The Last Jedi. It was fine.

I thought Mark Hamill was great. He's really matured into an excellent actor both in film and animation (voice work).

by Anonymousreply 5904/12/2019

Sometimes it feels like I'm the only one that enjoys every Star Wars movie -- even JJ Abrams's mystery-box fest. The Last Jedi made me weep,albeit I was high as hell on first viewing.

by Anonymousreply 6004/12/2019

[quote] "The Rise of Skywalker" sounds a bit clunky to me. The Rise of House Skywalker sounds better to me. Gives it more of a legacy kind of vibe.

That sounds too Dune like.

by Anonymousreply 6104/12/2019

[quote] Portman's bubble butt is better looking than Daisy Ridley's face. It should be, she borrowed it from Matt Damon.

Borrowed what and how from Matt Damon?

by Anonymousreply 6204/12/2019

Palpatine! Palpatine! Palpatine!

by Anonymousreply 6304/12/2019

Harrrison Ford's handsomeness, charm and charisma do make him tops. But Billy Dee Williams ranks below no one else on that list.

by Anonymousreply 6404/12/2019

I love the Prequels!

HATE the new Disney recreations of the original movies.

HATE JJ Abrams!

by Anonymousreply 6504/12/2019

Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker always read as gay to me. Especially in the first film.

by Anonymousreply 6604/12/2019

As long as I get to see Daleks I don't mind.

by Anonymousreply 6704/12/2019

If you enjoyed TLJ, then no one wants to hear from you.

We already know enough about you to tell you not to bother.

by Anonymousreply 6804/12/2019

[quote] The good guys (Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin) become Force Ghosts. What happens to the bad guys?

The point of Emperor Palpatine being killed in Return of the Jedi was that Sith fear death, an end to mortal life, and cling to mortal life while Jedi accept death as the will of the Force. So by Vader/Anakin killing Palpatine he was accepting death, which he’d feared since being a child and which fear turned him to the Dark Side while making Palpatine suffer his greatest fear and to deny him the wish of eternal mortal life. The Sith just die; they don’t become one with Force (Force ghosts). They’re separated from the power and life of the universe and existence.

by Anonymousreply 6904/12/2019

Until they decide Sith can become force ghosts, Star Wars fans always think they make the rules but the writers will do what they want.

by Anonymousreply 7004/12/2019

Please stop reading more into the stories and motivations of the characters than actually exist.

That sort of blind fanboy rationalization is one of the reasons that allow these things keep multiplying like roaches.

It's also the reason we have to have stupid backstories for minor characters who don't need them, like the one about how the rubber worm puppet from the Cantina is having a mad love affair with Rick Baker's werewolf mask from the same scene.

Just please stop.

by Anonymousreply 7104/12/2019

[quote]The Sith just die; they don’t become one with Force (Force ghosts). They’re separated from the power and life of the universe and existence.

And you got that where?

[quote]No one's ever really gone.... Emperor's laugh.

He's baaaaaack, bitches!

by Anonymousreply 7204/12/2019

Rehash of ROTJ. Why the fuck would they bring back the Death Star again. I pray the fanboys boycott this one too.

by Anonymousreply 7304/12/2019

I can't say I understand the obsession with the Death Star either.

by Anonymousreply 7404/12/2019

This new trilogy is really just resting on the laurels of the original trilogy. There's nothing new. None of the new actors or characters are as interesting or charismatic as the original cast/characters.

by Anonymousreply 7504/12/2019

Definitely r75. Ford, Fisher and Hamill made the first trilogy something unique because of their charisma and shared chemistry. The new crop of actors are very lacking in that department, except for Oscar Isaac.

by Anonymousreply 7604/12/2019

[quote]J.J. Abrams said he's not retconning Rey's parents, so they'll remain nobodies.

[quote]Didn't he also say once that the people in Lost wouldn't end up being dead?

He also swore up and down, back and forth, side to side, on all that the the nerd community had, has, or ever will have held as holy that Cumberbatch's character in Star Trek: Into Darkness was NOT, repeat, NOT Khan.

So, on points like this, his word is less than stellar.

by Anonymousreply 7704/12/2019

Oscar Isaac wasn’t even supposed to be in the trilogy. He was supposed to die in the crash in the beginning of TFA. He begged Abrams to please have him survive until Abrams’ agreed and rewrote it with him in.

That’s why he’s missing from most of TFA

by Anonymousreply 7804/12/2019

What did Oscar give in exchange for that?

by Anonymousreply 7904/12/2019

Even with the stupid writing of TLJ, Oscar Isaac's Po is by far the most interesting of the new characters.

He could have filled the role that the Han Solo character filled in the originals. If only the script and dialog of TLJ didn't make him into a whiny, tantrum-throwing idiot, rather than a hero and heroic.

by Anonymousreply 8004/12/2019

R64 Billy is charming as fuck in the new trailer. He's in it just a little bit and steals the show.

by Anonymousreply 8104/12/2019

Is this really the last Star Wars movie ever?

by Anonymousreply 8204/12/2019

R82 you already know the answer to that.

by Anonymousreply 8304/12/2019

[quote]Is this really the last Star Wars movie ever?

It is the last in the "main line" Skywalker series of movies. From the beginning, they've said that it would close-out the story of the Skywalkers.

Future movies are said to feature new characters and potentially different eras of the Star Wars universe - though the backlash after TLJ caused Disney to "press pause" on additional movies which unfortunately includes the only one that the fans actually wanted - another Obi Wan movie with Ewan McGregor. No one wanted a Boba Fett movie and definitely don't want a new trilogy helmed by Johnson.

by Anonymousreply 8404/12/2019

Mark Hamills role was supposed to be large in TFA but that was scrapped by Abrams cause he felt his presence would take away from us getting to know the new characters.

And Oscar Isaac was gonna drop out of the film if his role wasn’t expanded. He was upset they killed him off early in The Bourne Legacy and didn’t want that again so he begged Abrams until Abrams agreed and figured out a way to have him missing from the film without being dead and reappearing late in the film.

by Anonymousreply 8504/12/2019

They should do a series of movies set during the original trilogy. Nothing beats the Empire as the villains.

by Anonymousreply 8604/12/2019

[quote]Future movies are said to feature new characters and potentially different eras of the Star Wars universe - though the backlash after TLJ caused Disney to "press pause" on additional movies which unfortunately includes the only one that the fans actually wanted - another Obi Wan movie with Ewan McGregor. No one wanted a Boba Fett movie and definitely don't want a new trilogy helmed by Johnson.

They're closing out the movies for now but are going to saturate their streaming site Disney+ with Star Wars content. There's "The Mandalorian", a series starring Diego Luna as his character from "Rogue One", there was talk of doing an Obi-Wan series instead of the film, no word on if that's actually happening and there will be four animated Star Wars series.

by Anonymousreply 8704/12/2019

R39, you're an idiot. And Raine Johnson is working on future Star Wars movies.

by Anonymousreply 8804/12/2019

BRING BACK JAR JAR!!!!

by Anonymousreply 8904/12/2019

The only Rise of Skywalker I want to see is Anakin and young Obi-Wan getting it on.

by Anonymousreply 9004/12/2019

Disney is mutilating the force.

by Anonymousreply 9104/12/2019

When a movie's sole raison d'être is to make money, it's bound to be pretty bad. There needs to be a desire by the writer/director to tell a story- to impart something. Even if it's just to entertain.

George Lucas' idea for Star Wars (Episode IV- I don't go in for this New Hope bullshit) was to bring back the fun of the Flash Gordon serials. He did it. He made it better than those. Then, with Empire, he decided to expand into religion, and family.

I actually think it started to go wrong with Return of the Jedi. I've heard the original idea Lucas had- much better than doing a retread of Episode IV with the rebuilding of the Death Star and the introduction of Ewoks which is what they ended up with.

Disney produced this new trilogy to make money. That's is the reason it exists. J.J. Abrahms had no new, exciting ideas about what Han, Luke and Leia would be up to 33 years later. There was zero passion or love of film making or the characters up on that screen. No reason to bring them back that served any story.

Take Game of Thrones. If you watch the first episode, there is foreshadowing to things that will be happening in season 8. It was methodically planned out. It is masterful. Whereas the fucking new trilogy seems like they took out a dart board and made their story choices with it. What the fuck was the purpose of Snoke? And it's like "OH, Carrie died? Let's let old, unused footage of her dictate where the story takes us." There's just no reason to want to see these movies. There's no magic behind them, no love of storytelling. Just random garbage thrown up on screen designed to pack 'em in like cattle on opening weekend.

by Anonymousreply 9204/12/2019

You are not wrong, R92.

by Anonymousreply 9304/12/2019

Here's the thing about this last trilogy.... it wasn't planned out. The first movie was made. Then the can was kicked to a totally different team, who made up a story that connected with the previous movie. And now this last entry was just made up to try and build on (or retcon) the second movie. There was no over-arching plan. It's just a "wing it" trilogy.

For this reason, I really don't expect the final movie to feel like a satisfying conclusion. I have a feeling that at best, it will be mindless yet contrived entertainment. Whole ideas and threads will be dropped with no explanation, closer, or exploration. It won't feel "complete". At worst, we'll all be rolling our eyes at just how beyond contrived or empty or whatever. Eye-candy and nothing more.

Sigh.

by Anonymousreply 9404/12/2019

Sadly, r92 makes some good points. I say "sadly" because there was so much potential to make a strong trilogy. You could tell Harrison Ford was phoning it in during TFA and couldn't wait to collect his pay cheque.

I know the prequels get bashed but I do think Lucas had a vision and was trying something unique but his execution didn't live up to his ideas.

I totally agree with r8, though, that Williams' score for Revenge of the Sith is absolutely outstanding. I think it may be the best score out of all the Star Wars films. You have to hand it to Williams. The man is NEVER lazy.

by Anonymousreply 9504/12/2019

[quote]I actually think it started to go wrong with Return of the Jedi. I've heard the original idea Lucas had- much better than doing a retread of Episode IV with the rebuilding of the Death Star and the introduction of Ewoks which is what they ended up with.

Didn't Lucas want a large part of Return to be about Han being on the run from Boba Fett? I thought I remember reading that. Whatever I read, I liked it better than what turned into RoTJ. The first half of that movie is a chore to get through. The magic is largely missing from it and I can't always put my finger on why.

I suspect Disney dictated that the main plot points of 7 & 8 be directly lifted from the original trilogy. Why else would 2 different writers not working with one another end up doing basically that? I think they were given free rein outside of that. I know they say they had complete control whenever they were asked, but I think Disney told them they had to say that when talking about the films. I know, call me a tinhat.

by Anonymousreply 9604/12/2019

None of the actors have any charisma like the originals

by Anonymousreply 9704/12/2019

How exactly does the last movie in any way parallel "Empire Strikes Back". I'm not seeing it at all.

by Anonymousreply 9804/12/2019

Jar Jar comes back as a Sith lord R89.

by Anonymousreply 9904/12/2019

It’s creepy and disrespectful to CGI Carrie Fisher. Let the woman Rip

by Anonymousreply 10004/12/2019

R98, 8 has elements of Empire and Return of the Jedi. In The Last Jedi, Rey is Luke from Empire. Luke is Yoda. Luke is separated from everyone on a faraway planet the same way Yoda was. Rey has a vision about her parents in that hole the same way Luke had a vision about Darth Vader in Empire. Rey leaves prematurely the same way Luke did. She meets Kylo Ren who is Darth Vader in this trilogy. He asks her to join her the same way Vader asked Luke to join him. Kylo ends up killing Snoke just like how Vader ended up the Emperor. And after Vader and Snoke are killed, they all have to leave because the thing they're on, the Death Star and Snoke's ship, are about to fall apart.

And there's something vaguely Cloud City-like about Canto Bight.

by Anonymousreply 10104/12/2019

Not to mention the visual parallels between Crait and Hoth.

by Anonymousreply 10204/12/2019

R102, exactly, right down to the AT-ATs. Disney can't even come up with original ships.

by Anonymousreply 10304/12/2019

[quote]George Lucas' idea for Star Wars (Episode IV- I don't go in for this New Hope bullshit)

That's correct. It's just plain Star Wars.

[quote]I actually think it started to go wrong with Return of the Jedi.

It started to go wrong with The Empire Strikes Back: there was never supposed to be a Yoda (although that turned out okay, at least for that installment), but more importantly, Darth Vader was never supposed to be Luke's father.

The choice to alter the story warped the path of the story, which ultimately sent the franchise down the wrong road (RoTJ, three unbearable prequels).

Given that one misstep is built on another like a house of cards, very hard to care about any of those movies now (unless viewing Star Wars as a standalone work).

by Anonymousreply 10404/12/2019

Why did they make Rey lose so much weight for this movie? she looked fine before.

by Anonymousreply 10504/13/2019

R105 she's pretty skinny to begin with. How much more could she lose?

by Anonymousreply 10604/13/2019

R104, where are you getting this "Vader was never supposed to Luke's father" bullshit?

by Anonymousreply 10704/13/2019

Will there be a gay storyline?

by Anonymousreply 10804/13/2019

R107 you obviously haven't been around long, have you?

Vader was never to have been Luke's father.

by Anonymousreply 10904/13/2019

Any cute critters in the new one?

by Anonymousreply 11004/13/2019

I don't want to eat them, I just wish Marketing had stopped dictating Muppet-y design and cutesy content sometime around 1980.

by Anonymousreply 11104/13/2019

There's a cute new droid.

by Anonymousreply 11204/13/2019

WHAT is that shitty bit of CGI supposed to be?

by Anonymousreply 11304/13/2019
by Anonymousreply 11404/13/2019

Jedi jesus Luke will rise from the dead

by Anonymousreply 11504/13/2019

Vader was never supposed to be Like`a father. Just like Luke and Luke weren't originally twins.

Luke Darth Vader killed your father.

I was just kidding. I didn't mean that literally. Now THAT was bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 11604/13/2019

Return of the Jedi is when Star Wars lost it’s cool factor. All of a sudden my bratty little neighbors were running round cuddling Ewok dolls. Jar Jar and that annoying little kid were exactly what I expected from Lucas. I just hope there is plenty of Chewie in this one.

by Anonymousreply 11704/13/2019

The recent ones aren't so bad but no way you want to watch them more than once like you did the first ones. I hope Lucas burns in hell for ruining the first Star Wars. The prequels with the exception to the first aren't that bad. The Star Wars are supposed to be escapist and fun. We could have done without sadistic deaths , when Darth kills the Jedis they are children and they made a whole movie with everyone I mean everyone died. These are not the Star Wars i grew up on.

by Anonymousreply 11804/13/2019

Agree R118. Did you enjoy Solo? For me It came closest to capturing the spirit of the 70s movies.

by Anonymousreply 11904/13/2019

[quote]Here's the thing about this last trilogy.... it wasn't planned out.

Neither was the original trilogy.

And Revenge of the Sith clearly had a little tweaking to make the story a little more relevant to the post-9/11 world. Which is probably why it's so good.

by Anonymousreply 12004/13/2019

Considering how things have turned out, in the long run, they'd have done just as well to film Splinter of the Mind's Eye for the first sequel.

by Anonymousreply 12104/13/2019

I hate Chewie. So fucking annoying. Just as bad as Jar Jar.

by Anonymousreply 12204/13/2019

He didn't start out that way.

by Anonymousreply 12304/13/2019

I don't understand where all the vicious criticism comes from. I understand the flaws in the new trilogy but, even as a lifelong Star Wars fan, they didn't stop me from enjoying 7 and 8.

And I think this new trailer looks fucking amazing.

by Anonymousreply 12404/13/2019

I don't understand where all the vicious criticism comes from. I understand the flaws in the new Rat Whopper but, even as a lifelong Burger King fan, they didn't stop me from enjoying 7 and 8 orders of their Shit Shrimp Whoppers.

And I think this new Mega Whopper, made from a mix of rat meat, rat semen and chinese sewage, looks fucking amazing.

by Anonymousreply 12504/13/2019

I actually always hated the treatment of Jar Jar Binks.

He was a major character in Episode 1. Then because adults hated him and he was believed to be gay he was made a background character in the next film.

He wasn’t that bad.

by Anonymousreply 12604/13/2019

[quote]he was believed to be gay

DL believes EVERYONE is gay.

by Anonymousreply 12704/13/2019

[quote]DL believes EVERYONE is gay.

Everyone IS gay.

by Anonymousreply 12804/13/2019

R7. I so agree. She is wooden as hell, she gets on my nerves. Much like this film franchise.

by Anonymousreply 12904/13/2019

No. Not just DL. I remember when the movie came out there were parents that felt the character was gay cause of how he acted.

I remember this making some parents upset.

by Anonymousreply 13004/13/2019

R129, she is as wooden as Natalie Portman, with none of the beauty. And she also lacks Matt Damon's bubble butt, which strangely appears on Portman in multiple film roles

by Anonymousreply 13104/13/2019

R124 you think it looks fucking amazing? You are too easily impressed. And also you are a moron.

by Anonymousreply 13204/13/2019

It's JJ Abrams, R132. Or Kathleen Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 13304/13/2019

Star Wars movies, original, prequels, sequels are way overrated.. At least the original ones innovated in special effects, but the storyline was already pointless.

by Anonymousreply 13404/13/2019

Who cares? It's only fucking Star Wars.

You know, the original popcorn movie? Sheesh!

by Anonymousreply 13504/13/2019

R135, there are many adults now paying $500 a pop for their action figures (which they call "statues"). Lucas has almost single-handedly destroyed civilization.

by Anonymousreply 13604/13/2019

[quote]Darth Vader was never supposed to be Luke's father.

But... but... Vader MEANS Father!!!!

by Anonymousreply 13704/13/2019

Making Vader Anakin is the most brilliant move in the original trilogy. Suddenly, scenes in the first movie work far better.

And the inherent nature of Anakin's fall is, truly, what gives the six films a throughline. Anakin/Vader as the true protagonist is a subversive stroke of genius.

by Anonymousreply 13804/13/2019

This article in Forbes talks about how Vader and Anakin were originally two separate characters.

by Anonymousreply 13904/13/2019

I thought Jar Jar was seen as a racist Black stereotype, not gay.

I actually love 'The Phantom Menace', especially the extended version on DVD. Ani's super-extended race is so fun!

Also, the underwater city is phenomenal.

by Anonymousreply 14004/13/2019

[quote]And the inherent nature of Anakin's fall is, truly, what gives the six films a throughline. Anakin/Vader as the true protagonist is a subversive stroke of genius.

Honestly, whatever Lucas' intention, Revenge of the Sith paid off Obi-Wan's "certain point of view" comment beautifully.

It's really a shame that he undercut so much of Padme with the absurd romance. If there had been more of the "so this is how liberty dies" moments, she'd be considered awesome.

by Anonymousreply 14104/13/2019

Spoken like a true, rabid fanboy, R132.

by Anonymousreply 14204/13/2019

R140 that also.

But Jar Jar was believed to be homosexual back in 1999 which led to many parents taking issue with the character.

Here’s a NY Post article about Jar Jar being gay from 1999.

by Anonymousreply 14304/13/2019

Ugh, the 90s. Where even gayness was co-opted by X-Files references.

by Anonymousreply 14404/13/2019

The main people that hated Jar Jar were straight white men that cried that his effeminate behavior and lisp “ruined” the franchise.

Also people that felt he was a stereotype of Jamaicans

by Anonymousreply 14504/13/2019

SJW wars

by Anonymousreply 14604/13/2019

[Quote] Vader was never supposed to be Like`a father. Just like Luke and Luke weren't originally twins.

If only they'd left this scene in......

by Anonymousreply 14704/13/2019

Genius, R138? Stephen Hawkins was a genius.

by Anonymousreply 14804/13/2019

R101, I feel you're really reaching.

by Anonymousreply 14904/13/2019

[quote] she is as wooden as Natalie Portman, with none of the beauty. And she also lacks Matt Damon's bubble butt, which strangely appears on Portman in multiple film roles

What do you mean that Matt Damon's ass appears on Portman?

by Anonymousreply 15004/13/2019

Star Wars isn't very deep. Lucas made sure of that. It's just random stuff that he calls canon and then writers come up with random stuff and add to that praying that the fans don't find an inconsistency.

by Anonymousreply 15104/13/2019

[quote] though the backlash after TLJ caused Disney to "press pause" on additional movies which unfortunately

It was actually Solo that caused the pause. It under performed.

by Anonymousreply 15204/13/2019

[quote]Making Vader Anakin is the most brilliant move in the original trilogy. Suddenly, scenes in the first movie work far better.

You're so full of shit, fanboy.

by Anonymousreply 15304/13/2019

They never could get rid of the age discrepancy introduced by ret-conning Vader as Luke's father rather than the man who killed Luke's father. There are a couple of sources that point it out and how you kind of have to hand-wave over it. But they were definitely conceived of as two distinct people when the first movie was written.

by Anonymousreply 15404/13/2019

They could also never get rid of the age discrepancy introduced by making Anakin a little boy in The Phantom Menace. The timeline "after" that doesn't make sense.

by Anonymousreply 15504/13/2019

The prequel trilogy is about Anakin, but all the titles are about Palpatine: The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith.

by Anonymousreply 15604/13/2019

R154. Obviously. And merging the two ruined the path of the story. And the stories demand that if you buy into one, you buy into all of them. No thanks.

Think of how Return of the Jedi might not have had to suck. Imagine prequels that weren't awful.

by Anonymousreply 15704/13/2019

[quote] I actually think it started to go wrong with Return of the Jedi. I've heard the original idea Lucas had- much better than doing a retread of Episode IV with the rebuilding of the Death Star and the introduction of Ewoks which is what they ended up with.

It did, but it was Lucas' fault. He should have used the director of The Empire Strikes Back for Return of the Jedi. After watching ROTJ, Irvin Kershner, the director of The Empire Strikes Back, said he could have done such beautiful things with that movie. Lucas is much better as a creator and producer than as a director. The Ewoks were his idea. He even told the staff on ROTJ not to be afraid to "think cute" when they balked at the idea of the Ewoks. He continued that with Jar Jar among other things in the prequel trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 15804/13/2019

The Ewoks are much worse than Jar Jar Binks.

by Anonymousreply 15904/13/2019

[quote]They never could get rid of the age discrepancy introduced by ret-conning Vader as Luke's father rather than the man who killed Luke's father.

What age discrepancy? Attack of the Clones took place about 10 years after the Phantom Menace.

by Anonymousreply 16004/13/2019

[quote] And you got that where?

George Lucas. Disney can change that of course. What happened to Saruman (played by Christopher Lee who also played Count Dooku in Star Wars) is that he chose to be separated from the power and life of the universe and existence after he lost in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 16104/13/2019

[quote]What age discrepancy?

Age discrepancy = Sebastian Shaw looking the same age as Alec Guinness at the end of RotJ , not roughly twenty years younger, as some embarrassing prequel / Special Edition retconning would imply.

It's as bad, or worse, than the whole "Greedo shot first" bullshit, or the obvious lie that George Lucas always "intended" for Jabba to be anything other than human.

by Anonymousreply 16204/13/2019

Vader was pretty banged up and disfigured, and his head had been encased in that helmet for 25 or so years. I don't think Shaw's age really mattered.

by Anonymousreply 16304/13/2019

Oh but it did!

by Anonymousreply 16404/13/2019

Stop making excuses. Especially when the character's restored "spirit" appearance was this:

by Anonymousreply 16504/13/2019

The durasteel closet ages!

by Anonymousreply 16604/13/2019

Old-ass Sebastian Shaw- not some young, pouty, sanpaku eyed, boyband refugee looking morherfucker who was obviously cast for what someone thought were swoonworthy looks.

by Anonymousreply 16704/13/2019

At the time Hayden gave good performance in a movie (forget title something about a house )

Yes 119 I liked Solo. It is too bad that it ended with a cliffhanger and it seems to killed the career of the actor who played Solo.

by Anonymousreply 16804/13/2019

Fans were right about wanting to keep Luke alive in 8 and that a Han movie was unnecessary. The Last Jedi lost its mojo after the first couple of weeks when everyone found out Luke died. A Solo story lost money. Now, if Disney were smart they'd look at that, see that fans want a Kenobi movie, and move ahead to get one made.

by Anonymousreply 16904/13/2019

No one wants to see someone NOT Harrison Ford playing Han Solo.

by Anonymousreply 17004/13/2019

Anakin is aged 9 and Padmé is 14 in TPM. It's ten years when they meet again in AOTC. Three more years for ROTS. Anakin is 22 years old. Nineteen years until ANH and another five to ROTJ. Anakin would be approximately 46 years old.

Obi Wan is 25 years old in TPM, so he'd be 57 when he died in ANH. Alec Guiness was 62 when he made Star Wars. Ewan McGregor was 28 when he did TPM (playing a 25 year old Obi Wan). Obi Wan spent 19 years living in a desert. By today's standards, he looks old, but he really wasn't that far off from the (retconned) age of the character.

by Anonymousreply 17104/13/2019

Lucas wrecked the series with those horrible prequel films. (Phantom Menance is one of the worst movies ever made). None of the main actors have any charisma whatsoever. There isn't a single memorable moment in any of those movies save for Jar Jar Binks, and that is not a compliment. Jar Jar was disliked because he wasn't very good. A wretched attempt at comic relief. Lucas should never have solely helmed any of those movies. All he seemed to care about was the glossy CGI.

The current series isn't great, but it does manage to capture some of the spirit and humor of the original trilogy. (None of which was in evidence in the prequels). Plus, you have the original cast back. That gives it an automatic edge.

Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie made since the original trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 17204/13/2019

[quote]By today's standards, he looks old, but he really wasn't that far off from the (retconned) age of the character.

True. This is what 62 looked like in the 70s. By today's standards, this would be 80.

We forget how much older people looked back then.

by Anonymousreply 17304/13/2019

[quote]There isn't a single memorable moment in any of those movies save for Jar Jar Binks, and that is not a compliment.

While I agree they were terrible, there were some very memorable moments.

- Maul vs. Qui Gon and Obi Wan / Maul and Qui Gon's first fight on tatooine.

- When the Viceroy was on the bridge of his ship and he cried, "they're still coming through" as Qui Gon used his lightsaber to cut through the door.

- Our introduction to R2D2 fixing the Naboo cruiser while all his buddies are being slowly picked off by laser gun fire

- the first view of Coruscant as they arrived

- Opening battle over Coruscant in ROTS

- Yoda vs. Dooku / Yoda vs. Sidious

- Anakin and Obi-Wan parting on Utapau when you realize that this is the last time they meet as friends / Anakin and Obi Wan fight

- The battle on Geonosis

- Execution of Order 66

- The scene where Palpatine tells the story of Darth Plagueis the Wise

by Anonymousreply 17404/13/2019

I hated HATED Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, but I though Revenge of the Sith was a great movie.

by Anonymousreply 17504/13/2019

Disney shill at R172. Propping up the Disney shit versions.

by Anonymousreply 17604/13/2019

replace her and the ethnic guy....otherwise wont ever be hits...

by Anonymousreply 17704/13/2019

u know its shit when they keep draggin carrie fischer from the grave.

cast sucks also...

by Anonymousreply 17804/13/2019

R176 is a Lucas shill still trying to generate some interest in those dreadful movies that are about as interesting and intoxicating as musky cunt sweat.

by Anonymousreply 17904/13/2019
by Anonymousreply 18004/13/2019

Carrie's corpse could still act circles around Natalie Portman

by Anonymousreply 18104/13/2019

Revenge of the Sith is an excellent movie. Hayden is adequate - still not great - but he is fine. What makes the film so great are the cinematography, which is stunning, John Williams delivers what I think is his best score of the series, and then you have Ian McDiarmid in the best performance of the entire series. He is absolutely brilliant, a true villain both charming and vicious. The fact he wasn't nominated for an Oscar is a crime.

Phantom Menace has its issues but Darth Maul was a great character.

I agree that Solo was very good. I wish, though, we could have gotten to see the original version be completed.

by Anonymousreply 18204/13/2019

What was the original version?

by Anonymousreply 18304/13/2019

The makers of The Lego Movie were directing it, but they were fired r183

by Anonymousreply 18404/13/2019

I need Kylo and Rey to fuck

by Anonymousreply 18504/13/2019

Solo definitely wasn't horrible, and the characters were pretty engaging. There's a certain blandness to it that I think Lord and Miller could have energized, but it definitely wasn't a disaster.

by Anonymousreply 18604/13/2019

r151 He sure had lots of ideas and created a lot, and he did have all kinds of philosophical allusions and thoughts; it wouldn't have captured so many nerds so much, if it wouldn't have depth and intelligence, many theatre actors involved as well, who wouldn't have embraced it as strongly, if it wouldn't be cultural and thoughtful, Harrison Ford also seems to be very intelligent, and he loves Indiana Jones and Han Solo. It was a copy of a Kurusawa (?) movie, who was a very cultural and artistic director, but it was also unique of course; yes, inspired by cartoons, serials, Westerns and B-movies, but also Kurusawa, literature, Wagner, Asimov, Gibbons et al. . It is a Space Opera, and the most important movies in history, he did create something anew, a world of its own and a fantasy, but also a telling of how dictatorships come about, republics end, the Decline of Rome and the hardships of totalitarianism; he tried to teach the greatness of democracy, human rights, freedom et al., trying to reach as many young, impressionable minds as possible, all of it happening during the height of Cold War and the Race of Systems. Lots of science and technology involved, but also history, philosophy, religion, psychology and military; both Lucas and Peter Jackson, his successor besides Spielberg being Jackson's other predecessor, seem to be big history and military buffs, Jackson being especially knowledgeable about military, Lucas might know more about history than Jackson and certainly doesn't have an equally militaristic but more historic, fantastic and operesque approach .

by Anonymousreply 18704/13/2019

Who gives a FUCK about fan service. I couldn’t give a fuck some pasty nerd who must have certain things happen to fit his ridiculously narrow view of how film works. Fuck off.

And I saw the original in the theater the year it came out as a child and have loved these films for years.

We don’t need some self appointed fucks who thinks they own the rights to these films and the characters. Newsflash, you don’t, and no one cares what you think other then you and your creepy cabal.

So fuck right off. You have zero power or authority in the creative process, and the only reason you have any kind of “voice”, if you can call it that, is because of the shithole that is the Internet.

NO ONE CARES WHAT FANBOYS THINK.

by Anonymousreply 18804/13/2019

R187 a lot of shit just came out of your mouth. R188 no one gives a fuck what you think.

by Anonymousreply 18904/13/2019

Darth Maul was NOT a great character.

Darth Vader is a great character.

Darth Maul is an unknown cipher, who relied on makeup to indicate that he was 'evil' because you never actually SAW it. There was no THERE there. Underwritten, underdeveloped, but brilliantly acted given what little the actor had to work with.

by Anonymousreply 19004/13/2019

No R188, no one gives a FUCK WHAT YOU THINK YOU FUCKING FANTARD. SHUT THE FUCK UP. BLOCKED. Fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 19104/13/2019

The new Madalorian series coming to Netflix is set in the timeline of the first trilogy, so maybe that will be decent.

by Anonymousreply 19204/13/2019

I meant R189 ^, and definitely blocked. Exactly the moronic shit I’m talking about. So fucking stupid.

by Anonymousreply 19304/13/2019

Absolutely no one gives a fuck about your opinion R68.

by Anonymousreply 19404/13/2019

Darth Maul is awesome and fans were thrilled to see him in Solo again.

by Anonymousreply 19504/13/2019

R92 you are the " think I know what happens in Season 8 "troll. Motherfucker you don't know shit about Season 8 yet save for episode 1 .Episode one was leaked. According to rumors, episode season 1 doesnt give you one fucking clue as to who wins in the end. We didn't see Night King and Euron until seasons later.

by Anonymousreply 19604/13/2019

I'm a fan and I thought Maul appearing at the end of Solo was dumb.

by Anonymousreply 19704/13/2019

[quote]Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie made since the original trilogy.

Rogue One pissed and shit all over some Lucas-approved canon, story points which Disney decided to discard en masse.

by Anonymousreply 19804/13/2019

[quote]I'm a fan and I thought Maul appearing at the end of Solo was dumb.

Apparently you had to watch The Clone Wars or something to get the story about how he somehow survived being sliced in half by a light saber, and what he did behind the scenes after that. So that post-credits scene was basically a gift of fan service to those who watched the show. I didn't. So I thought it was a "HUH?!?" moment that really took me out of the fun I had with teh Solo movie.

I really enjoyed the Solo movie, and feel it's badly under-rated. It wasn't perfect, but it was good, and I'd love to see a sequel.

by Anonymousreply 19904/13/2019

I loved Rogue One, thought it was great. It had the spirit of the original films.

by Anonymousreply 20004/13/2019

This version of the preview clip includes the Buttigiegs including their one eyed dog.

by Anonymousreply 20104/13/2019

The teaser trailer for Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker has been viewed 13,665,350 times since its release Friday. Collider reminds us that while George Lucas oversaw the original Star Wars trilogy and worked on its prequel trilogy, the final three movies in the franchise had moved ahead without direct involvement from the 74-year-old director:

To recap, Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney in 2012, setting Kathleen Kennedy as the new head of Lucasfilm and handing over his treatments for Episode VII, Episode VIII, and Episode IX -- the final three films in his Skywalker saga. Kennedy and J.J. Abrams reportedly threw out much of what Lucas handed over (much to the Star Wars director's chagrin) in favor of charting their own path, and Lucas has been pretty mum on the new direction of Star Wars under Disney thus far -- save for high praise heaped on Rogue One and a visit to the set of Solo after Ron Howard took over the director's chair.

But it appears everything has come full circle, as Abrams revealed at Star Wars Celebration in an interview with IGN that when he signed on to direct Star Wars 9, he consulted Lucas before beginning work on the script. "This movie had a very, very specific challenge, which was to take eight films and give an ending to three trilogies, and so we had to look at, what is the bigger story? We had conversations amongst ourselves, we met with George Lucas before writing the script," Abrams revealed...

Having seen the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker trailer, this makes sense. The film looks to be leaning heavily on the original trilogy given the inclusion of that medal, the Death Star, and of course the return of Emperor Palpatine. And given Abrams' comments here, it sounds like he was very strongly thinking about Star Wars 9 as a conclusion to the entire Star Wars saga.

After that conclusion, Disney CEO Bob Iger says, "There are movies in development, but we have not announced them. We will take a pause, some time, and reset because the Skywalker saga comes to an end with this ninth movie.

"There will be other Stars Wars movies, but there will be a bit of a hiatus."

by Anonymousreply 20204/13/2019

the series has lost its appeal

will never be up to par again, fans have moved on to other franchises....

pity some bright young writers/producers were not involved with the last few

its over

poor cast indeed.

by Anonymousreply 20304/13/2019

Star Wars will never be over. It just needs a break.

Having said that, I think Rogue One and Solo were far better than the sequels. Rogue One proved they could move away from the Skywalkers and Solo was the only movie to actually capture the light-hearted spirit of the original film.

by Anonymousreply 20404/13/2019

Star Wars wouldn't need to take a break if the movies had better characters, stories, and didn't rely so heavily on plot points taken from the original movies. Marvel is still a juggernaut and has released a gazillion movies. Star Wars has only released 4 since The Force Awakens.

by Anonymousreply 20504/13/2019

[quote]Star Wars will never be over.

It was over May 17, 1980 .

by Anonymousreply 20604/13/2019

they make good trailers but only saw the first new one and was confused (cause not much of a fan) and the other ones look like I could have an epileptic seizure along with the "pew pew" sounds. Fuck I hate being in early 30's sounding like an elder but I've kinda always been that way.

by Anonymousreply 20704/13/2019

In CLOSER, V FOR VENDETTTA, and ATTACK OF THE CLONES, Natalie Portman appears onscreen with a distinctive bubble ass. For years I have studied this issue, and I have come to the conclusion that this is Matt Damon's femine fat bubble ass. Now, the question is, how did Portman get it, R150?

This is a question I intend to answer. Also, how did Matt Damon get a fat, feminine female ass in the first place? Is he,gulp, intersex?

by Anonymousreply 20804/14/2019

Dear, this is a gay discussion board. No one cares about Natalie’s ass.

by Anonymousreply 20904/14/2019

I am shocked to notice that DL has a Natalie Portman's bubble ass troll. That's so random even for a Star Wars thread.

by Anonymousreply 21004/14/2019

Natalie's ass is directly connected to Matt Damon's bubble butt, that's what this is about R209. Please pay attention.

And this is about STAR WARS, as I first noticed that Natalie had the same bubble butt as Matt in ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Don't try to shut this investigation down. Are you worried we will discover that Matt is intersex, R209?

by Anonymousreply 21104/14/2019

Comparson shot of Matt's bubble butt.

by Anonymousreply 21204/14/2019

Portman's. It's the samne damned ass, what is going on?!

by Anonymousreply 21304/14/2019

I liked Solo overall. The Emilia Clark character, and her story line, fell a bit flat for me.

The animated Star Wars TV shows provide unlimited opportunities for Star Wars movie franchises which don't depend on the any Skywalker or Han Solo.

Disney will milk Star Wars for eons. I wouldn't be surprised that in 2000 years Star Wars will be a religion with the movies being adapted into a Bible format.

by Anonymousreply 21404/14/2019

isn't it already a religion, r214? The OT fans are like hardcore Talmudists.

by Anonymousreply 21504/14/2019

Jedi is, I believe, a religious preference that you can choose on certain federal forms. Unsure how seriously it's all taken.

Also, the person going on about the conspiracy of Natalie's bubble ass is hilarious. So dumb and absurd and persistent.

by Anonymousreply 21604/14/2019

[Quote] At the time Hayden gave good performance in a movie (forget title something about a house )

Life As A House with Kevin Kline. I like that movie too.

[Quote] There isn't a single memorable moment in any of those movies save for Jar Jar Binks, and that is not a compliment.

Uhh I disagree. The Qui Gon/Obi Wan vs Darth Maul fight was extremely memorable thanks to the amazing score.

by Anonymousreply 21704/14/2019

Honestly, despite their quality, there are tons of memorable moments in the prequels. They're hardly forgettable... at least in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 21804/14/2019

A better tag line would be: "Episode IX: The Skywalker Family Keeps Fucking Up"

by Anonymousreply 21904/14/2019

I read that Lucas purposely told the actors in the prequels how to read lines. Apparently they didn’t know how to be good bad actors.

by Anonymousreply 22004/14/2019

The investigation will not be stopped ! LOL.

by Anonymousreply 22104/14/2019

I guess "Star Wars: Keeping Up With The Skywalkers" was a bit on the nose.

by Anonymousreply 22204/14/2019

One reason I liked Rogue One so much was because there was none of that fucking Force shit. It was a straight-ahead action/adventure movie.

So sick of the Force.

by Anonymousreply 22304/14/2019

R220, what else do you know about the prequel productions? Was Matt Damon ever seen on set? Is it possible that he Lucas digitally grafted Matt's ass on to Portman's little body?

by Anonymousreply 22404/14/2019

It was fine, in the first movie. Even acceptable in the second one. After that.....not so much, especially with the Midchlorians. You really can't come back from something that embarrassing, because it's established and required by canon, that all Force-related action involve this stupid shit that no one bothered to mention for three prior films --because it hadn't been thought up.

by Anonymousreply 22504/14/2019

Lucas' early drafts -- from the 70s -- mention midichlorians explicitly. Yet, implicitly, they are still an issue that was always embedded. Empire makes this clear by detailing Luke's struggle as a bloodline narrative; Vader, Palpatine, and Yoda all see Luke as dangerously powerful because of who his father is.

The "power of belief" nonsense, that elides midichlorians/blood, is why we have such a terrible character in Rey: she just has to "believe in herself", and no training is even required.

by Anonymousreply 22604/14/2019

Will R2D2 be in it?

by Anonymousreply 22704/14/2019

Haven't seen anything about R2, but 3PO is definitely in it based on pics.

by Anonymousreply 22804/14/2019

r5, you actually called Portman out in the prequel, but Christensen you did not comment about his acting. Your posts in this thread have no credibility.

I've been enjoying the sequels.

by Anonymousreply 22904/14/2019

I think she's worse than he is, R229. He at least did anger very well in both prequels.

But he was horribly wooden in many other scenes.

by Anonymousreply 23004/14/2019

I want Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi standalone movies.

by Anonymousreply 23104/14/2019

No one gives a shit about the Jedi. Everyone wants a Darth Vader film.

by Anonymousreply 23204/14/2019

r82, there will continue to be the stand alone films like Rogue One and Solo's story

by Anonymousreply 23304/14/2019

Overall this trilogy has seemed like a failure to me. It was their chance to expand the Star Wars universe but no one can think of a plotline different from the original, scrappy rebels fight their authoritarian regime. Even their attempt to introduce a new villian in Snoke they gave up on and now have to return to the Emperor again.

by Anonymousreply 23404/14/2019

The story is about Rebels trying to rid themselves of evil overlords and the legend of the Jedi masters. It has to have the same inclusive stories to draw from. The death star needs to go away. They need a new weapon already. The Force Awakens was bad ass to me. The Last Jedi had some mis-hits but I enjoyed it nonetheless but to suggest the prequels (episodes 1 & 2) were better? Cmon. The Last Sith was good but 1 and 2 NO.

by Anonymousreply 23504/14/2019

[quote]It has to have the same inclusive stories to draw from

It doesn't though. They can do anything they want with this universe. Yet here we are, rooting for our orphan Jedi to defeat the Empire, redeem the evil Skywalker and finish off Palpatine's tyranny.

And I am not saying the prequels were better, but at least the prequels were more creative, they didn't just try to be a repeat of the original trilogy. They were just terribly executed movies. Star Wars really nailed it with their "member berries", that's all this trilogy is, milking the the nostalgia of the original.

by Anonymousreply 23604/14/2019

South Park really nailed it*

by Anonymousreply 23704/14/2019

I had really hoped this thread would be speculation about the cool or exciting things the trailer suggested we might see in the new movie.

But just like everywhere else on the internet, it just ends up being a bitch fest about whether or not the prequels sucked.

by Anonymousreply 23804/14/2019

[quote] Everyone wants a Darth Vader film.

We did. They're called Star Wars 1-6.

by Anonymousreply 23904/14/2019

Mark Hamill can not act at all.

by Anonymousreply 24004/14/2019

Yeah there are people bitching on here and maybe they need to get a life.

I though the teaser was good because it didn't give away the plot. I hope that we get a little more the next one out but I don't want to see everything in a trailer. I'm very excited.

by Anonymousreply 24104/14/2019

These sequels are not amazing but literally ANYTHING is better than the prequels. Even Coleman Francis. Sorry millennials, “your” Star Wars movies were dogshit.

by Anonymousreply 24204/14/2019

The best thing about Solo is the score. The story is forgettable.

by Anonymousreply 24304/14/2019

[quote]Yeah there are people bitching on here and maybe they need to get a life.

I've never understood this as a reasonable retort.

Every message board would be empty if everyone decided to "get a life" and not participate in a discussion. Isn't discussing stuff the whole point?

Also, aren't you here also, so by definition don't have a life either - pot/kettle?

by Anonymousreply 24404/14/2019

R244, let me break it down. The point is the topic of discussion not your own bitching about something off topic. The OP asked about the teaser to the new episode - The rise of skywalker.

If you hate the sequels you have no life in the thread talking about them. I enjoy the sequels so I'm discussing it and it's an exciting topic for me to discuss not just being a killjoy and trying to trash them - that is having no life. Discuss a topic you enjoy.

If I started to post on thread about topics I dislike or care nothing about, it would reflect badly on me, no?

by Anonymousreply 24504/14/2019

Man, you should see the SNL threads. There are users who frequent it weekly to bitch about the same exact shit.

by Anonymousreply 24604/14/2019

[quote] The point is the topic of discussion not your own bitching about something off topic. The OP asked about the teaser to the new episode - The rise of skywalker.

You do see the irony of this statement in light of your post at r241 - to which I was directly responding - don't you.

[quote]If you hate the sequels you have no life in the thread talking about them. I enjoy the sequels so I'm discussing it and it's an exciting topic for me to discuss not just being a killjoy and trying to trash them - that is having no life. Discuss a topic you enjoy.

What a sadly immature point of view that allows for no dissension or differing points of view. So, what you're really saying is you want an entire thread of people blowing sunshine up each others' asses.

But, beyond that, you again ironically don't follow your own premise since OP was asking about the trailer, so a discussion about the sequels would be off topic, as well.

A discussion will go wherever it goes. Having an infantile tantrum because other people may disagree with you, then making up your own rules about who can post about what is even sadder.

Rather than SCREECHING that other people need to get a life - again, pot/kettle - why don't you articulate an argument about what makes the sequels good beyond an unsupported opinion. You could discuss the improved quality of the visual effects or the rebut the plot flaws or lack of character development noted by other posters. You could even posit that the "subversion of expectations" that Johnson pushed is actually valid as the franchise needed to jumpstart from its current enervated position AND provide support for that position.

Now, go ahead and lash out about how I'm babbling on about nothing blah blah blah.

by Anonymousreply 24704/14/2019

R247 most DL cunts have the intelligence and sense of a 4 year old still sucking on their binky. Lol.

by Anonymousreply 24804/14/2019

[quote]No one gives a shit about the Jedi. Everyone wants a Darth Vader film.

FUCK YES!

by Anonymousreply 24904/14/2019

Vader vs. Prince Xizor

There is your movie!

by Anonymousreply 25004/14/2019

A Darth Vader movie set during the original trilogy timeline would be fantastic.

by Anonymousreply 25104/14/2019

[quote]A Darth Vader movie set during the original trilogy timeline would be fantastic.

A Vader movie where he "hunts down and destroys the Jedi Knights" who survived the initial Order 66 massacre might be interesting though much too dark for Disney - if you count that as during the original trilogy timeline.

Although that would cover the same time period as the Rebels animated show, that show focused on the rebels, not Vader. We could get a hero Shaak Ti or even more interestingly Ahsoka Tano who would get all the nerds on their feet cheering (contrary to the belief that they all hate the idea of a hero female character). Frankly, a movie version of the Force Unleashed story with a hidden Vader apprentice could be great.

by Anonymousreply 25204/14/2019

Footage of The Mandalorian was shown at Celebration. It's made it's way onto Youtube already. Get ready for more of the same: stormtroopers, a desert planet, and a Boba Fett-looking character who isn't Boba Fett.

by Anonymousreply 25304/14/2019

SO will we see that ass in Nine, R213?

by Anonymousreply 25404/14/2019

Rey is not a bad character in a series that has forgotten how to create them.

by Anonymousreply 25504/14/2019

I'm ok with Rey even though she'd a bit bland. My real problem with the new trilogy is Kylo Ren. Why is he on the dark side? Does it skip a generation? Why does he wear a mask? Very little about his character makes sense to me. For now I'm ok with Rey's magical powers because there's still room for explanation. I think Kylo's character has been painted into a corner with little room for plausible explanations regarding his turn to the dark side and his motivations.

by Anonymousreply 25604/14/2019

The idea is that Snoke lured him to the dark side, but Snoke was given zero development and backstory r256.

by Anonymousreply 25704/14/2019

Well, it would have been nice if they actually showed that. But maybe it will be in a book!

by Anonymousreply 25804/14/2019

R258 definitely a comic.

by Anonymousreply 25904/14/2019

There was a book. I believe it was called "Bloodline," or something similar. It explained how Snoke was manipulating Kylo since he was in the womb. I don't like when movies rely on outside material to fill in plot points.

by Anonymousreply 26004/14/2019

I'm so sick of the desolate planets. Ice planets, desert planets etc. They need to show the "regular" planets in that universe, the ones that are populated and where most of the galaxy's citizens live.

by Anonymousreply 26104/14/2019

I'm with R204. I enjoyed Rogue One (amazing) and Solo (pretty good) far more than the sequels. Last Jedi was fine (with the exception of the boring casino subplot) and TFA was a xerox of the first. This teaser gave me a shrug. Even the prequels, for all their many flaws, had a vision and a story.

Give me more non-Skywalker spinoffs, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 26204/14/2019

Yeah, I'm done with the Skywalkers.

Didn't care for the casino scenes either. Went on too long. And that Rose girl was such a fucking unnecessary character. Just awful. Of course she was a fangurl stand-in, it couldn't have been more obvious.

by Anonymousreply 26304/14/2019

I wish they spent more time developing Rogue One. The third act was amazing. The first two acts were a little messy with too many locations and character introductions. The orphaned hero trope needs to be put to bed. And I hated the Princess Leia cameo at the end, not because of the CGI, but because it was so unnecessary.

by Anonymousreply 26404/14/2019

R263 I thought the actress was fine but they stuck her in a shitty subplot, and she suffered for it.

Of the three main characters, John Boyega is my least favorite. He just seems to constantly be thinking "OMG, I'm in Star Wars" with a big cheesy grin on his face.

by Anonymousreply 26504/14/2019

I didn't think it was unnecessary. I thought it was the perfect capper to the movie, tying it in perfectly with the opening of A New Hope. I just wish the CGI had been a little better.

by Anonymousreply 26604/14/2019

I liked the Leia cameo. It was a great way to end the film, and to segue into "Star Wars," which starts just a few minutes later.

by Anonymousreply 26704/14/2019

R264 I can see that, but I also liked that it was a self-contained Star Wars story. Forget about trilogies and Skywalkers and just expand Star Wars

by Anonymousreply 26804/14/2019

Yeah the Leia and Harkin CGI cameos made sense to me. Their characters were involved in those stories.

But yes Rogue One has a great final act but the first two thirds of that movie is pretty weak. It definitely needed better development.

by Anonymousreply 26904/14/2019

I think most SW fans like the Leia cameo, aside from the CGI, so I recognize I'm in the minority in not liking it.

As for Fin, I would have liked for the Force to have awakened in him too, not just Rey. It would have made sense for what happened to his character in TFA and made for a more interesting trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 27004/14/2019

Eh, I cared more about Jyn and Cassian in one movie than I've ever cared about Rey, Finn and Poe.

But I will admit I couldn't tell you the names of his entire crew.

by Anonymousreply 27104/14/2019

R149, this is for you.

by Anonymousreply 27204/14/2019

It's still completely reaching.

TFA was a clear and obvious rip-off of A New Hope.

There is nothing "clear and obvious" about the points being made about TLJ and ESB.

by Anonymousreply 27304/14/2019

You watched the whole thing in 5 minutes? Kudos to you, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 27404/14/2019

And judging by the reaction to videos like this one, most people see the similarities.

by Anonymousreply 27504/14/2019

I don't see Daisy Ridley's career lasting more than 5 more years

by Anonymousreply 27604/14/2019

r247, you are babbling on and on. Yes you are.

by Anonymousreply 27704/14/2019

[quote][R247], you are babbling on and on. Yes you are.

To quote Vader: "All too easy."

by Anonymousreply 27804/14/2019

r256, I thought he turned to the dark side after he saw Luke getting ready to attack him. He fought back because he felt betrayed and then he was branded a traitor.

I think they need to explain why Riley has Jedi powers.

Still on here eh r247. lol.

by Anonymousreply 27904/14/2019

One of the big issues I have with the sequels is they're not better than the EU. I grew up reading the book series that came later and yeah, they weren't perfect but Luke's Jedi Temple and the Solo twins were far more compelling than Rey and Kylo Ren.

by Anonymousreply 28004/14/2019

R279, I'd find that plausible if they bothered actually showing that as part of his character development, but, you know.

by Anonymousreply 28104/14/2019

I just watched the teaser for the Mandalorian show and that has me infinitely more interested than Another Skywalker Movie.

by Anonymousreply 28204/14/2019

I'm quite disappointing that hack Abrams (like Lucas without the vision) is returning to direct the follow up. Rian Johnson really freshened up TFA with his clean and meticulous style.

by Anonymousreply 28304/14/2019

* really freshened up The Last Jedi

by Anonymousreply 28404/14/2019

Freshened up as in “completely shit all over established characters like the most important character of the original trilogy?”

So much so that Mark Hamill is clearly calling him out for doing this on multiple occasions?

Oh and let’s not get started with the idiotic treatment of using hyperspace capable ships as weapons.

Completely idiotic.

by Anonymousreply 28504/14/2019

[Quote] So much so that Mark Hamill is clearly calling him out for doing this on multiple occasions?

Which I'm sure Disney talked to him about because it didn't take long for the backtracking to start.

by Anonymousreply 28604/14/2019

Mark hated last Jedi

by Anonymousreply 28704/14/2019

I though Mark was fine in Last Jedi. Carrie on the other hand was awful. She did improve slightly in the second half, but it was getting to the point I'd almost cringe when ever she would show up, and with the Laura Dern character she was pretty much pointless anyway. I did think she was okay in The Force Awakens though.

by Anonymousreply 288Last Monday at 12:13 AM

Honestly, I loved what they did with Luke in The Last Jedi. People bitch about it... Mark included, but he was the most compelling part of the film and his performance was great.

by Anonymousreply 289Last Monday at 3:31 AM

First they killed Han then Luke surprised they dint kill Leia

by Anonymousreply 290Last Monday at 4:05 AM

They killed Han because Harrison clearly didn't give a fuck about this trilogy.

by Anonymousreply 291Last Monday at 6:06 AM

Carrie’s voice made me sad for her.

by Anonymousreply 292Last Monday at 7:02 AM

[quote]They killed Han because Harrison clearly didn't give a fuck about this trilogy.

He didn't really give a fuck about the original one either.

by Anonymousreply 293Last Monday at 7:05 AM

He wanted to be killed back in Jedi.

by Anonymousreply 294Last Monday at 7:28 AM

I don't care for Adam Driver.

by Anonymousreply 295Last Monday at 7:34 AM

I did not like Adam Driver in his role as "Kylo Ren."

by Anonymousreply 296Last Monday at 7:35 AM

Adam Driver is easily the best part of this new series of films.

by Anonymousreply 297Last Monday at 7:45 AM

Hopefully we'll get another Kylo Ren tantrum.

by Anonymousreply 298Last Monday at 8:00 AM

[quote]I did not like Adam Driver in his role as "Kylo Ren."

I agree. They should have gone with someone like Jack O'Connell, Jack Reynor, Joe Alwyn (though a bit young), Iwan Rheon, or Sebastian Stan

by Anonymousreply 299Last Monday at 8:00 AM

There's exactly one element in the trailer that looks completely new: BB8's droid friend. Everything else is directly or indirectly taken from the other movies.

by Anonymousreply 300Last Monday at 11:24 AM

R293 cares about his other sci-fi franchise, BLADE RUNNER. He has always cared about the original film artistically, and was angry for years about the voice over, and his character's nature (being a replicant). He has never cared as much about STAR WARS.

The only film he seemed to wake up for and actually act in recently was BLADE RUNNER 2049. Of course, it's a much better film than anything SW.

by Anonymousreply 301Last Tuesday at 8:16 AM

*that should be: Harrison Ford cares about his other sci-fi franchise, BLADE RUNNER.

by Anonymousreply 302Last Tuesday at 8:18 AM

Star Wars and Empire were better than Blade Runner.

by Anonymousreply 303Last Tuesday at 8:19 AM

R303 is someone born in 1970. Ugh. Star Wars fans and Brady Bunch fans. No wonder Ben Stiller married Marcia Brady.

by Anonymousreply 304Last Tuesday at 8:21 AM

The original STAR WARS (ANH, nerds) was not a very good film.

BLADE RUNNER is a great film. Maybe the greatest piece of hard sci-fi made in the last forty years.

by Anonymousreply 305Last Tuesday at 8:22 AM

I'll go all-in: REVENGE OF THE SITH is better than the original STAR WARS. By a hell of a lot.

by Anonymousreply 306Last Tuesday at 8:25 AM

1977 r304. And I've never seen the Brady Bunch. Blade Runner was a good movie, but SW and ESB were better.

by Anonymousreply 307Last Tuesday at 8:45 AM

The tastelessness you carry, R304, is called 'arrested development'. A 1977 brat that grew up in the womb of STAR WARS. Nostalgia is not quality.

by Anonymousreply 308Last Tuesday at 8:47 AM

that should be directed at r307. But that's obvious.

by Anonymousreply 309Last Tuesday at 8:49 AM

"Tastelessness" Ha! We happen to have a difference of opinion, and yours is no better than mine. STAR WARS was a great escapist fantasy, BLADE RUNNER is a dystopian nightmare. They're both good films.

You go all over this board touting your opinions as Gospel, and it ain't necessarily so.

by Anonymousreply 310Last Tuesday at 8:50 AM

r308 is also the insane anti-smoking whack job.

by Anonymousreply 311Last Tuesday at 8:52 AM

In my opinion, you lack taste -- that is no contradiction of logic on my part. That you can't understand this is humorous, R310. Stay triggered.

by Anonymousreply 312Last Tuesday at 8:52 AM

Again, r312 your opinion.

by Anonymousreply 313Last Tuesday at 8:53 AM

r308 is also one of the Chalamet loons.

by Anonymousreply 314Last Tuesday at 8:53 AM

What are you talking about, R311? I don't give a shit about smoking.

Though, if you're r307, I do have to wonder what you've been smoking.

by Anonymousreply 315Last Tuesday at 8:54 AM

Are you a bot, R313? Or a parrot? What a mindless response. Matches well with r307's taste in film.

Do you dress up as Princess Leia? Han? Chewie? Or just play with...oh, I mean lustfully admire your $500 STAR WARS action figures (aka "statues")?

by Anonymousreply 316Last Tuesday at 8:56 AM

Enough with you, you fucking nut.

From the trailer, are we going to have another 10-15 minutes of a lightsaber duel? Is anyone overly excited about yet another one of those?

by Anonymousreply 317Last Tuesday at 8:57 AM

Yes, one must be "nuts" to think that the original STAR WARS is a far lesser film than BLADE RUNNER, r317. So much for respecting others' opinions. But then, logic isn't a top quality of a nostalgic nerd that still plays STAR WARS dress up at 40.

by Anonymousreply 318Last Tuesday at 8:59 AM

There's a bad recording on Youtube of a scene from The Mandalorian that was shown at Celebration. It wasn't the sizzle reel. The recording is pretty bad but it was far more interesting than the trailer to Episode IX.

by Anonymousreply 319Last Tuesday at 9:01 AM

R317 toys himself (herself?) with this 1999 Jar Jar toy...while complaining about how the prequels "raped" her/his/its childhood, natch.

by Anonymousreply 320Last Tuesday at 9:03 AM

I'm definitely going to give the Mandalorian a chance. At least it's set in the original trilogy timeline.

by Anonymousreply 321Last Tuesday at 9:08 AM

"I'm definitely going to give the Mandalorian a chance. At least it's set in the original trilogy timeline." - r321

Arrested develpment from a nostalgic nerd. Look at that second sentence. Ugh. The holy grail of cinema for these dorks is a mediocre scif-fi homage to Buck Rogers from 1977.

by Anonymousreply 322Last Tuesday at 9:11 AM

It's always fun when the nutcases project their own bizarre shit onto everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 323Last Tuesday at 9:16 AM

You've already admitted it, dullard (R323). That you can't figure that much out, even while belaboring it ("I only watch original trilogy timeline, guys" - said like it's a Penfolds Grange Hermitage 1951) is very, very funny. Keep posting.

You are a tasteless, nostalgic nerd.

When do the Star Wars red wines hit shelves, honey?

by Anonymousreply 324Last Tuesday at 9:20 AM

Agreed R319. So over the Skywalker story.

by Anonymousreply 325Last Tuesday at 1:08 PM

The interesting thing about the Star Wars merchandise this round is... that shit isn't selling.

And I say this as a big Star Wars fan who has been able to collect a lot of SW stuff in clearance sales.

Headphones, toys, app droids, Lego... expensive stuff that has eventually been reduced.

by Anonymousreply 326Last Thursday at 7:29 PM

r326 people just aren't that into the new characters.

by Anonymousreply 327Last Thursday at 7:39 PM
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