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This has to stop. I cringe every time a politician has to add another letter.

I'm trying to think of a word or phrase which encompasses everyone. Any ideas?

by Poppyreply 224Last Tuesday at 3:43 AM

Let's just stick to The Gay Community or LGBT. We have to stop somewhere.

A local politician who supports us said that the additional letters added to LGBT are too confusing - and he nailed it. People can't remember all these letters and it's getting to be ridiculous.

by Poppyreply 103/11/2019

Equity community.

by Poppyreply 203/11/2019

R1 Trannys have nothing to do with sexuality

by Poppyreply 303/11/2019

He-man tranny hater's club.

by Poppyreply 403/11/2019

Gays and Attention Whores.

by Poppyreply 503/11/2019

LGB. Stop letting the others stab us in the back at every opportunity they can trump up.

by Poppyreply 603/11/2019

I resisted adding the Q for the community organization that I used to run -- until the SJWs decided that another letter was "needed." It's ridiculous, but I doubt it will stop with Q.

by Poppyreply 703/11/2019

I thought Q originally was for "questioning" but morphed into queer?. Don't like either really. Questioning is not anything to declare.

by Poppyreply 803/11/2019

I liked “the alphabet people.”

by Poppyreply 903/11/2019

R9 how about just "village people"

by Poppyreply 1003/11/2019

I think you're right, R8. It was originally Q for Questioning. I think the intent was to include teenagers who were, in all probability, gay/lesbian, and needed our support, but didn't yet feel comfortable making an announcement.

by Poppyreply 1103/11/2019

EOESWP*

*every one except straight white people

by Poppyreply 1203/11/2019

Just keep gays and lesbians separate. Let the other ones figure out a name. We have nothing in common with them anyway.

by Poppyreply 1303/11/2019

LGB. Fuck the rest of this nonsense. Kick anyone in the balls/cunt who tries to change the Pride flag as well.

by Poppyreply 1403/11/2019

“El-gee-bee” or “el-gee-bee-tee” flows linguistically. Anything beyond is awkward, and forget moving “G” to the front to represent the majority - “gee-el-bee” sounds atrocious.

by Poppyreply 1503/11/2019

R14 Nothing screams “straight male” more than thinking browns and pastels look OK when they are inserted into a vibrant rainbow.

by Poppyreply 1603/11/2019

Queer. Obviously. It's what is used in the gay world outside DL.

by Poppyreply 1703/11/2019

R17 We are perfectly happy to refer to ourselves as homosexuals and lesbians as we are not chicken shit asswipes trying to pass as something else

by Poppyreply 1803/11/2019

That's ok r18 you or anyone can call rhenselves anything you want for all the world cares. Nomenclature is another thing.

by Poppyreply 1903/11/2019

R19 English?

by Poppyreply 2003/11/2019

My p0rtner and I just keep it simple with our own "GIBLETS" when making references to such.

by Poppyreply 2103/11/2019

Vivian Vinculum

by Poppyreply 2203/11/2019

R17 No it isn't. It's used only by idiot millennials who want to be gay-adjacent, but not gay. They're just fag hags who will get married to opposite sex partners, have kids and quickly forget they ever pretended to be "queer" in 3 years. Quit rewriting our history as Gay people.

by Poppyreply 2303/11/2019

LGB - if others want to join, great.

They don't add a new every time they make a new partner at a law firm, so why should we add a letter every time someone wants to join our organization.

If that makes them feel marginalized, then they should form their own organizations, just like we did.

by Poppyreply 2403/11/2019

"This has to stop. I cringe every time a politician has to add another letter."

Better get used to cringing, dumbass.

by Poppyreply 2503/11/2019

Anything including the word OTHERS will never fly. Being “othered” is seen as dismissive by that those who need to be recognized as the very special “Charzar attracted gluten-free Them” that they are. No one is going to jump up and say “I’m an other.” They’ll want official recognition.

by Poppyreply 2603/11/2019

R25 I syringe every time.

by Poppyreply 2703/11/2019

[quote]LGB.Stop letting the others stab us in the back at every opportunity they can trump up.

I would argue for LG ONLY.

B is the gateway drug to everything else.

by Poppyreply 2803/11/2019

Two-Spirit would be genuinely stupid--an appropriation from Native American and it doesn't really have the same meaning as any of the LGBTQIA letters.

by Poppyreply 2903/11/2019

R28 Indeed, you never meet a bisexual over 30 in a same sex relationship EVER

by Poppyreply 3003/11/2019

“Gay, lesbian, and the rest” (like the original Gilligan’s Island theme song.)

by Poppyreply 3103/11/2019

[quote]Nothing screams “straight male” more than thinking browns and pastels look OK when they are inserted into a vibrant rainbow.

I don't automatically think "straight male' when I see browns and blacks added to a pride flag----I DO,however, think :

SCAT FREAKS.

by Poppyreply 3203/11/2019

It always rankled my nerves that the L came first. If you do it alphabetically the B then G then L then T BGLT. makes more sense to me. But the alphabet soup lately is irking me even more.

by Poppyreply 3303/11/2019

How about "human beings"?

by Poppyreply 3403/11/2019

Q = Questioning in the acronym LGBTQ. It does NOT mean queer.

I hate the word queer. It is insulting and derogatory. It is a cruel word, and I don't want to "own" it. It is not worth owning. It should be thrown in the trash heap of unacceptable words.

by Poppyreply 3503/11/2019

R23 I noticed it’s not just gay-jacent wannabes using “queer” - for instance, real lesbians are using it too, or are calling themselves “gay” because both words have more lightness and snap than “lesbian,” which drags out of the mouth in comparison. Unfortunately, in the minds of some millennials, it also conjurs up the stereotype of a humorless, angry, misanthropic animal-hoarder wearing paid flannel.

That said, I hate the negative associations of “queer” - if women who sleep with women want to distance themselves from the stereotypes that accompany the frumpy linguistics of “lesbian,” “gay woman” sounds like a much better replacement, and I think the “gay community” could and should encompass both men and women.

by Poppyreply 3603/11/2019

I would happily share the word “gay” with lesbians. Then we can all be called “gay” or “Gay, and the rest…”

by Poppyreply 3703/11/2019

R35 “Questioning” = bisexual. Yay! Another unnecessary letter trimmed off.

by Poppyreply 3803/11/2019

Let’s just call ourselves queer because includes everyone. No need for any alphabet soup, even of the LGBTQ variety. Queer is one easy syllable that puts us all under one umbrella.

by Poppyreply 3903/11/2019

QUILTBAG.

by Poppyreply 4003/11/2019

[quote]“Gay, lesbian, and the rest” (like the original Gilligan’s Island theme song.)

Not a bad idea, and if anyone feels butthurt, you could remind them that “and the rest” were the only fuckable castaways on the island.

by Poppyreply 4103/11/2019

BLT.

by Poppyreply 4203/11/2019

R39 But queer means straight adjacent, not gay or lesbian adjacent, so fuck that stupid idea

by Poppyreply 4303/11/2019

R39. I hate the word queer. I would never use it. It's insulting. Go away.

by Poppyreply 4403/11/2019

I actually like your first option, OP. It's easier to remember and quicker to say than 'LGBTQIA+', doesn't have the baggage of 'queer', and the acronym is positive (GLO).

by Poppyreply 4503/11/2019

I'll have a BGLT. Hold the mayo.

by Poppyreply 4603/11/2019

Interesting fact: up through the 70s we had “gay rights” movements and “gay” organizations, and it wasn’t until the 80s that groups of lesbian identifarians started demanding that the nomenclature be changed to “gay and lesbian” much to the dismay of many, including Frank Kameny, who accurately predicted the division, infighting, and alphabet soup lunacy it led to. Thanks, lezzies!

by Poppyreply 4703/11/2019

Queer=a vile word

by Poppyreply 4803/11/2019

You are 100% right, R47, and I apologize on behalf of lesbians everywhere. If only we had known where it was going to lead...

by Poppyreply 4903/11/2019

Personal Freedom Coalition

by Poppyreply 5003/11/2019

R49 Aw, no need to apologize! I was kidding a bit, because only small, vocal groups of lesbian separatists initiated the mile-long string of letters. Anyhow, I agree with you and think that both “gay men” and “gay women” are more dignified terms than “gays” and “lesbians,” which sound more like mythical creatures from Greek mythology than people. Don’t even get me started on “queer!”

by Poppyreply 5103/11/2019

Oh, I know you were teasing us, R51, but you were still right! And, I must say, it's refreshing to encounter someone who still knows or remembers gay history of decades past.

Hopefully, "gay man/woman" catches on as the preferred terminology. I only use "lesbian" when I'm with other gay people ― not only is it a mouthful (albeit a classical-sounding mouthful), but straight people have fetishized the word so thoroughly that I feel uncomfortable using it around them.

by Poppyreply 5203/11/2019

It should just be The non- straight community and leave it at that .Fuck the trannies they should be out on their own anyway. I know that's harsh but they have never belonged bunched in with us gay/bi people at all. Since the 60s they have latched on to us and done us great harm. The enemy within. Let them go their own way.

by Poppyreply 5303/11/2019

What the hell does the I stand for in LGBTQI?

by Poppyreply 5403/11/2019

LGB.

Nothing against trans people, but they concern themselves with gender, not sexual orientation.

by Poppyreply 5503/11/2019

Homosexual man, homosexual woman, bisexual man, bisexual woman.

Everything else isn't a sexual orientation and homosexuality isn't anything other than a sexual orientation.

by Poppyreply 5603/12/2019

Gay rights has become a clown car with no actual meaning that's ignored by most. It's sad. Our brothers would be mortified.

by Poppyreply 5703/12/2019

Can someone explain what distinguishes someone as Queer instead of LG? I've never understood.

by Poppyreply 5803/12/2019

Do most DLers identify as Queer?

by Poppyreply 5903/12/2019

Im gay

by Poppyreply 6003/12/2019

What about asexuals? They are discriminated against. Don't they get a say?

by Poppyreply 6103/12/2019

Well I am post gay!

by Poppyreply 6203/12/2019

R58, Queer is an overarching term that includes gays and lesbians. This is why the term is so helpful: it is a shortcut label that includes all of us without having to list a string of 12 letters.

There is an extra bit of empowerment since it is a reclaimed word as well. We have taken a word that once was used to hurt, but now can give us strength.

by Poppyreply 6303/12/2019

How about just Gay? Gay is gender neutral.

by Poppyreply 6403/12/2019

I was told last night at a staff meeting it’s LGBTQQIA+ (queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, and “plus” which also includes anything else). For short, they told us we could pair it down to LGBT+.

by Poppyreply 6503/12/2019

It doesn’t help with being taken seriously especially as human beings.

by Poppyreply 6603/12/2019

The Gays.

by Poppyreply 6703/12/2019

I’m with r39.

But nobody cares that gay community doesn’t like “queer.”

We are not empowered to name ourselves. However, we are obligated to refer to straight men with female pronouns.

by Poppyreply 6803/12/2019

Oops pardon my typo. I’m with R44 not R39.

I’m not queer.

by Poppyreply 6903/12/2019

Actually, r63, queer is a slur.

by Poppyreply 7003/12/2019

The LGB community choosing to be known as Queer, would be like black people deciding to be known as the Ni%%#rs. It is just stupid. Don't reclaim words, just bury them.

by Poppyreply 7103/12/2019

[quote]which encompasses everyone. Any ideas?

OP, can you explain to us why you want to encompass everyone?

You are only responsible for defining your own group, which I assume is gay men.

by Poppyreply 7203/12/2019

R70, queer is no longer a slur. It hasn’t been for 5-10 years. Language evolves and whether you are in denial or not doesn’t change the fact that the word has been reclaimed.

Queer is defiant and powerful. It shows we mean business and won’t take shit from anyone. Queer is the word of a warrior. I don’t understand why people don’t want a word that shows our strength to stand for our community.

by Poppyreply 7303/12/2019

[quote]Queer is the word of a warrior.

MARY!

by Poppyreply 7403/12/2019

Ha, Mary me all you want, but you can’t deny it’s true!

by Poppyreply 7503/12/2019

That’s it! The “M” community. End of thread.

by Poppyreply 7603/12/2019

R29 Two Spirit was already appropriated. They took a pre-existing Native American term with spiritual meaning and now every LGBT person of remote Native descent is out here calling themselves 2S.

by Poppyreply 7703/12/2019

[quote]R65 I was told last night at a staff meeting it’s LGBTQQIA+ (queer, questioning, intersex, asexual, and “plus” which also includes anything else). For short, they told us we could pair it down to LGBT+.

This never happened.

by Poppyreply 7803/12/2019

"Queer is the word of a warrior."

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

by Poppyreply 7903/12/2019

I'll never be queer. The original use of the word is still in common parlance and it means and will continue to mean, "odd", "weird", "off..." I don't like, "non-straight" - never be described by what you're not.

I'm for LGB. Rearrange those letters as you please. These are groups that concern sexuality, anything to do with gender identity etc is a completely separate movement, one that currently not only has nothing to do with us but is actually inherently against us. Old school transexuals were one thing - they're small in number and often gay and often fabulous, no problem with them being part of the gang. But not non-binary, trans activists, autogynephiles etc.

Asexuals could put a solid case, but really, who's victimising them that they need to be part of a movement? And they leave the door for so many niche groups of romantic love and what not. Questioning helped path a way in for those not ready to come out because of societal fears. But in 2019 when every special snowflake wants a letter anyway, I'm fairly sure it's not needed.

by Poppyreply 8003/12/2019

/ I'll just, "Oh, dear!" myself at R80. Pave. Not path. Obviously.

by Poppyreply 8103/12/2019

But queer in common parlance does NOT mean “odd” or “weird” anymore. Queer is easily understood as referring to LGBTQ people and it’s not used any other way.

Sure, in the 1930’s and 40’s queer meant weird, but not today. If someone says, “That’s a queer looking sweater,” they don’t mean it looks weird, but rather it would be worn by an LGBTQ person. More likely, if someone wanted to insult a sweater they would call it “gay.”

by Poppyreply 8203/12/2019

Which is why I've said it here many times before - the younger generations embracing "queer" probably heard the phrase 'that's so GAY' time and time again from their friends all through school. So 'gay' is a pejorative to their pea brains.

But no one talks about trying to stop GAY from being used as an insult. They'd rather just say "LGBTQ" instead (which itself is rapidly turning into a joke with all the additional letters).

by Poppyreply 8303/12/2019

R73, me being gay has nothing at all to do with being a "warrior". I'm not at war with anyone. So take your Queer word and hateful attitude and go somewhere else.

by Poppyreply 8403/12/2019

It's all so exhausting

by Poppyreply 8503/12/2019

You just know R73 is the stereotypical straight white suburban fat gal with the blue hair and the nose ring

by Poppyreply 8603/13/2019

You can add all 26 letters of the alphabet, and many gay people will still just call it the gay and lesbian community. We lives with that for years, but then the circus arrived in town, and like Jimmy Durante said, "Everybody wants to get into the act". When I hear straight SJW females using the alphabet poop, I want to fart in their face, and NOT say, "Excuse Me".

by Poppyreply 8703/13/2019

When I hear anyone claim to be Queer, I assume they’re a Republican. They’re into co-opting cultures, transient fashion and pump and dump scams. As soon as whatever short term fashion trend has passed, they’ll dump it - ust like their Goth look from a couple of years ago.

Queerpublicans: as vacuous as supply siders, every bit as sanctimonious.

by Poppyreply 8803/13/2019

Queer people are not republican. We are anything but. Since queer people include all LGBT people, are you suggesting we are all Republican? As if!

by Poppyreply 8903/13/2019

I thought the R was really the T, not the Q

by Poppyreply 9003/13/2019

I know eldergays hate it, but I’m fine with queer. As they die off, it will probably become more commonplace.

by Poppyreply 9103/13/2019

R91 is a warrior!

by Poppyreply 9203/14/2019

[quote]Nothing screams “straight male” more than thinking browns and pastels look OK when they are inserted into a vibrant rainbow.

It screams "shit in a baby's diaper".

by Poppyreply 9303/14/2019

[quote]Queer is defiant and powerful. It shows we mean business and won’t take shit from anyone. Queer is the word of a warrior.

Queer is weird or freakish. It shows people that someone is desperate for attention and lives to annoy people. It is the word of a misfit who is ridiculed.

by Poppyreply 9403/14/2019

I can’t see R 91.

by Poppyreply 9503/14/2019

There should be no shortage of letters. I won't stop until we are at LGBTQIABCDEFG

by Poppyreply 9603/14/2019

What about symbols?

@&!$

by Poppyreply 9703/14/2019

[quote]Let's just stick to The Gay Community

Yes.

[quote]or LGBT.

No.

by Poppyreply 9803/14/2019

What's the 'I' stand for?

by Poppyreply 9903/14/2019

How about we say gay for gay men, lesbian for lesbians, bisexual for bisexuals, transgender for transgender, intersex for intersex, etc., etc. I cringe everytime I see "LGBTQIAA2SWTFWHENWILLITEND?" in news articles, particularly when it's dealing with only one letter of the alphabet (for example, discussing gay male issues or a specific gay man, but using "LGBT" instead of gay).

Besides, what, really, do any of these groups have in common? I can see the connecting thread of gays and lesbians; bisexuals only get the "oppression card" when they are in a relationship with someone of the same sex. Trans isn't a sexual orientation, and much of the current ideology surrounding it is in direct opposition to gay/lesbian issues. Queer is just for str8 folks who want to be considered "edgy." Intersex is a medical condition and they are often vocally opposed to being lumped in with "LGBT" and especially trans. Asexuals - how, exactly, are they "oppressed"? Two Spirit is mythologized historical concept. Stop the insanity!

by Poppyreply 10003/14/2019

r73, the only anti-gay slur I've heard in the past decade from a bigot was "queer"; sorry, but it has not been "reclaimed."

by Poppyreply 10103/14/2019

I used to like hearing "gay pride march". It was like just being there meant you were finally out and proud.

Now it's 'Pride Holiday' or some shit. Means nothing.

by Poppyreply 10203/14/2019

What about BLT, hold the mayo?

by Poppyreply 10303/14/2019

R73, queer keeps us on the fringes.

Why are you coercing us to be called queer when we have explicitly stated we don’t like that term?

Why do you want to keep us fringe?

by Poppyreply 10403/14/2019

Fairy

by Poppyreply 10503/14/2019

R89 "Queer" people are not gay. They're just millennials engaged in play acting. You'll get married to an opposite sex partner in a couple of years, have crotch droppings and start calling the cops on some Person of Color in a park for selling lemonade, walking a dog or having scary hair.

You're Republicans having a good laugh at gays, coopting us and erasing us. That's why we ignore you and won't buy into your bullshit about "Queer" or "Transphobia" or any other nonsense. We grew up with all these attempts to erase us before.

by Poppyreply 10603/14/2019

How about "just stop"

by Poppyreply 10703/14/2019

R99 The I stands for intersex

by Poppyreply 10803/14/2019

Intersex most definitely should have no place in there. It's an extremely rare birth defect ffs.

by Poppyreply 10903/14/2019

Send a memo to the Native Americans. We've "reclaimed" the term Redskins for them. We've "done the work" and people now think of football when they hear the term. See how that works?

Aside from term "queer", the vast majority of queers have little interest in the hard work of community building, supporting institutions, and uplifting gay men and lesbians. Queer culture is about critiquing, calling out, and disrupting. Queers are the first to tweet a link to their GoFundMe, and the last to volunteer at a gay elder care center.

Gay brothers and lesbian sisters, first and foremost.

by Poppyreply 11003/14/2019

R109 I felt the same way when someone explained to me what it meant.Hermaphrodite is NOT a sexuality!

by Poppyreply 11103/14/2019

R89 we are NOT all queer. Stop imposing this label on others - it's clear from this thread and the million others we've had here over the years that most are resolutely against it.

You and your fellow millennials can call yourselves what you want, but if you get out of your Tumblr echo chamber, you'll see the majority still associate it with being a slur.

Re: intersex. The above poster is correct. They want out of the TRA clusterfuck. Especially as transactivists often cite intersex as proving a third sex exists. It doesn't. Sex is binary. All intersex people are defined as male OR female. It's just a developmental disorder that happens to affect the sex organs to some degree. It's like being born with any other in-utero defect. There's some great gender critical Intersex advocates on Twitter who diligently explain their condition, repeatedly, as otherwise their condition is erroneously and cynically coopted and weaponised by the trans lobby. They could do with some support, because frankly, it must be exhausting when they're small in number.

by Poppyreply 11203/14/2019

R78 I wish I was kidding. I work at a community counseling center.

by Poppyreply 11303/14/2019

I’ve seen that R118. I’ve seen 2S too.

by Poppyreply 11403/14/2019

Or R113.

by Poppyreply 11503/14/2019

I use the phrase "sexual minorities community".

It rolls off the tongue better & no one will get offended unlike the alphabet soup letters.

If you miss just one, you could catch some flack by some sensitive group.

Just like racial minorities doesn't mean you are supportive of criminal groups like the Bloods or The Crypts, sexual minorities (community) doesn't mean you are supportive of criminal groups like Nambla or rapists in general.

by Poppyreply 11603/14/2019

[quote]How about we say gay for gay men, lesbian for lesbians, bisexual for bisexuals, transgender for transgender, intersex for intersex, etc., etc.

Thank you for thinking.

by Poppyreply 11703/14/2019

r73 is the posting of a moron.

by Poppyreply 11803/14/2019

r106 I don't think it's the Republicans who are calling us "queer" this time around. It's our enemies at the other end of the spectrum.

by Poppyreply 11903/14/2019

so LGBTQIA sounds like the planet where we are all from.

by Poppyreply 12003/14/2019

r18 homosexual

definition: Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.

lesbians or also homosexual

I vote for homos+ the plus is for the bi's

by Poppyreply 12103/14/2019

lesbian are also homosexual

by Poppyreply 12203/14/2019

[quote] What about symbols? @&!$

Pretty soon our designation will qualify as a strong password.

by Poppyreply 12303/14/2019

He, she, it.

by Poppyreply 12403/14/2019

So if “queer” has been reclaimed, could we maybe also call ourselves “fairies” “fruits” or “fags”?

by Poppyreply 12503/14/2019

I know some queer people who feel they have reclaimed Fag/Faggot and use it in empowering ways (e.g. no one tells this fag what to do!).

Personally the word doesn’t bother me. I never heard it as an insult except on TV or in movies. The only queer adjacent word I ever heard as an insult was “gay. “

Academia and the media (The Times to HuffPo) already use queer as our descriptor and no one seems to have a problem with it. If queer really were still a slur, would The NY Times really use it? Of course not!

by Poppyreply 12603/14/2019

Really? There was no uproar when HuffPo changed from Gay Voices to Queer Voices? Hahaha!

by Poppyreply 12703/14/2019

[quote]I never heard it as an insult except on TV or in movies.

You live a sheltered life.

by Poppyreply 12803/14/2019

R39, stop trying to make Queer work. Only bland straight people want to be called queer. GAFL.

by Poppyreply 12903/14/2019

white hetero troll alert

by Poppyreply 13003/14/2019

R118, it’s the same mentality that penis, aka “manhood,” can be feminine.

by Poppyreply 13103/14/2019

R126: that’s when I stopped reading huffpoo

by Poppyreply 13203/14/2019

LGB works because the first two mean “gay,” and the third means “semi-gay.” Feminism demands the “L.,” while the “B” is needed to warn others that you’re a timeshare. OK then.

Intersex and trans people who are attracted to the same sex, you’re gay also, so no need to designate the “T” and “I” - those are medical conditions. As for Q & A, - you’re not oppressed; please go away and flaunt your specialness elsewhere.

by Poppyreply 13303/14/2019

I just hate the word queer. LGBT community has been okay. But I don't really think Trans people should be together with gay because a lot of Trans people would technically be straight.

by Poppyreply 13403/14/2019

[quote]Let’s just call ourselves queer because includes everyone.

No, because is homophobic and stupid. Like your grammar.

[quote]Queer is one easy syllable that puts us all under one umbrella.

Someplace I will never be: underneath an umbrella with someone who calls me a queer.

by Poppyreply 13503/14/2019

R73, you’re pathetic. And desperate for a personality. Sorry. Being gay isn’t a personality. Cultivate your own character and quit with ‘reclaiming’ queer.

by Poppyreply 13603/14/2019

“Including everyone” defeats the fucking purpose. “Queer advocates” are always the dumbest. Too funny.

by Poppyreply 13703/14/2019

You are either gay or lesbian. If you aren't one of those two then fuck off.

by Poppyreply 13803/14/2019

What about bisexual or do you consider bi people under the gay umbrella?

by Poppyreply 13903/14/2019

No bisexuals. They deserve their own umbrella. My life would be a better life if it hadn't been for two bis.

by Poppyreply 14003/14/2019

I think any letters after LGB should be in lower case.

by Poppyreply 14103/15/2019

Deviators. It sounds like a group of superviilians, let's use it and scare the hell out of straight arrows!

by Poppyreply 14203/15/2019

I am a queer fibro warrior!

by Poppyreply 14303/15/2019

Gays and Lesbians. The others can have their own community.

by Poppyreply 14403/15/2019

Jesus Christ, enough with the "island of broken and confused souls" ! I v=belong to the Gay Community, period. Questioning? Get back to us when you decide! Bi? Get back to us when you decide! Trans? Start your own fucking club. Gay = emotionally, spiritually and physically attracted to the SAME SEX. Period. You can't be a MtoF trans who still has a dick and dates women and be in the gay community. You are STRAIGHT! Go away.

by Poppyreply 14503/15/2019

r145 for president.

by Poppyreply 14603/15/2019

[quote]Personally the word [queer] doesn’t bother me. I never heard it as an insult except on TV or in movies.

So you HAVE heard it as an insult. Yet you want to embrace it?!

[quote]The only queer adjacent word I ever heard as an insult was “gay. “

Please re-read R83’s post. He hit the nail on the head as to exactly why that is.

Can you imagine a politician standing at a podium and saying, “Yes, let’s pass this resolution. The queers will benefit from it. And you guys know I’m totally fighting for the queers”? Really?

by Poppyreply 14703/15/2019

AFAIC it is LGBQ now, and LGBQ forever.

by Poppyreply 14803/15/2019

R83 is correct R147.

by Poppyreply 14903/15/2019

R147, I had heard it used as an out of touch insult by TV writers, yes. The point is, you don’t hear it in real life. Certainly you’re not trying to say that TV and movies are an accurate depiction of real life.

I can totally hear a politician saying the queer community will benefit from this legislation. Absolutely! You don’t hear many politicians refer to “the Jews” either- it’s Jewish community or Jewish People. Queer community sounds great and includes everyone.

Go to college campuses across America and you will hear students talking about Queer people in a positive way. This coming generation has united has all and will deliver equal rights for us like you could only ever have imagined.

by Poppyreply 15003/15/2019

Add an "S" for Straight. Why exclude anyone?

Catch-all lumping is ridiculous.

T really needs their own stand alone identity, and that's intended to be respectful.

B should be for bullshit.

Q is fad crap.

GL is enough for same-sex attraction, personal identity, life-style, relationships, etc.

by Poppyreply 15103/15/2019

[quote]This coming generation has united has all and will deliver equal rights for us like you could only ever have imagined.

Please. This coming generation won't deliver jack shit. Like generations before them, they're desperate to hang with the trendy cool kids and the current thing to be is "woke." Goth and piercings were less obnoxious.

They're as crucial as the Occupy Wall Street kids who got a chance to stick it to the Man before graduating and going to work in daddy's hedge fund empire.

by Poppyreply 15203/15/2019

Yes R152. All the “queers” will be married to members of the opposite sex and have 2.5 kids within 10-15 years.

by Poppyreply 15303/15/2019

If 'queer community' "sounds great" then what is stopping politicians and the media from using it instead of "LGBTQIA" or variants thereof, where often they can't get the letters out without stumbling? Maybe because it doesn't sound so great outside of the insular world of academia.

Was going to make a comment about the supposed unity of coming generations and how much bullshit that is (you do know that there is a non-negligible segment of young people, college students included, who live for all things Trump, right?)- but R152 pretty much covered it.

by Poppyreply 15403/15/2019

[quote] The point is, you don’t hear it in real life.

I have heard "queer" used specifically as a slur against gay men and lesbians twice within the past year.

by Poppyreply 15503/15/2019

I’ve been called a queer by homophobes—zillions of times. Called a flamer here (Datalounge). F-ggot here (with the “a”).

by Poppyreply 15603/15/2019

Why are you all underestimating Gen Z? They are going to turn the political machine upside down like never before.

More than Academia uses queer. The NY Times, the most liberal newspaper in the country in the most liberal city in the country, uses queer. Do you think they would if it were still a slur?

by Poppyreply 15703/15/2019

[quote]F-ggot here (with the “a”).

Glad you clarified that. Without you letting us in on what letter went there I was lost.

by Poppyreply 15803/15/2019

NY is not the most liberal city and the NYT is nkt the most liberal paper.

by Poppyreply 15903/15/2019

^I’m not gonna type it out because I’m not an asshole, asshole. Blocked.

by Poppyreply 16003/15/2019

Oh lord..... You probably love AOC too, don't ya R157?

by Poppyreply 16103/15/2019

Lets just fast forward to the natural disastrous ending and use: LGBTQIAWTF

by Poppyreply 16203/15/2019

That was to R 158.

by Poppyreply 16303/15/2019

"This coming generation has united has all and will deliver equal rights for us like you could only ever have imagined."

are you fucking kidding me? all this generation is going to deliver is an antibiotic resistant form of ever STD known to man. But at least they know they have rent control and free college.....not that they go to college, mind you, but still...

by Poppyreply 16403/15/2019

r164, it's in college that they learn these absurd ideas, that, for example, biology doesn't really exist and that you are what you feel.

by Poppyreply 16503/15/2019

R165: I agree! today I feel black, not white, so Im going to spend my afternoon applying for NAACP scholarships. Biology is a construct. If I say Im black, then dammit, Im black!

by Poppyreply 16603/15/2019

Yes I do love AOC and dream of her being President sometime. She has given new life to the political system and restored hope for many that change can occur.

by Poppyreply 16703/15/2019

I had a sense you loved her. Just a hunch.

by Poppyreply 16803/15/2019

R165: forgot to add I will, of course, be demanding that the NAACP change their name to more accurately reflect MY ideas: thus, new name: NAACWANALMRUUTAHDYPeople (Colored/White/Asian/Native American/Latino/Mixed Race/Undecided/UnwillingToAnswer/How Dare You (I will not be labelled by you or any other racist. You are literally doing VIOLENCE to me by asking!)

by Poppyreply 16903/15/2019

R160 is trig-GURRED.

Calm down. A) it was just a joke; B) words don’t scare most of us.

by Poppyreply 17003/15/2019

[quote]Hi! Nice to meet you. My name is Michael.

Hi, Mike! Nice to meet you, too!

[quote]Thanks! I go by Michael, btw.

That’s great, Mike.

[quote]lol. Please call me Michael.

[quote]”Mike” is shorter & easier to remember. Plus you look like a “Mike.” I knew a “Michael” a long time ago. That’s an old name...so traditional sounding. “Mike” is cooler.

[quote]Ok...but my name is Michael.

Glad we settled that, Mike. Have a great day!! See ya around 😊

by Poppyreply 17103/15/2019

Excellent R171! GREAT analogy.

by Poppyreply 17203/15/2019

Actually it’s a pretty bad example. No one is erasing gay, lesbian or whatever with queer. Queer is an umbrella term that holds these groups, but doesn’t negate them.

A better example is the taxonomy naming system: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species.

Instead of running around as separate Genus/Species groups (cis lesbian; trans male), Queer is the family name that unites all the species together. We realized we are stronger fighting together than apart. This is why queer is a unifier and not a divider.

Laugh all you want at warrior queer, but it’s a good description and we will be proven correct when we stamp out legal bigotry for good.

by Poppyreply 17303/15/2019

Why do I assume that warrior queer has a pink scabbard? Is that wrong?

by Poppyreply 17403/15/2019

I assume it's a fat chick with blue hair, thick rimmed non-prescription glasses, lots of tattoos and a septum piercing.

Oh, and who loves the D.

by Poppyreply 17503/15/2019

R173, what “legal bigotry” remains in the US? Other than the lack of federal protection for gays and lesbians in employment and housing, I honestly don’t see anything that qualifies as “legal bigotry.”

by Poppyreply 17603/15/2019

Actually, r173, erasing gay/lesbian culture and history is precisely what is happening. That's another reason to resist "queer."

by Poppyreply 17703/15/2019

[quote]Hi! Nice to meet you. My name is Michael.

Hi, Asshole! Nice to meet you, too!

[quote]What? Why are you calling me asshole??

Because it’s a unifying name. Everybody has an asshole. “Asshole” is an umbrella term that contains all groups of people within it. Yet it does not negate your inherent dignity & worth.

[quote]Calling me “asshole” is just wrong. Please stop it.

Relax, Asshole. It’s just a naming taxonomy. It was an insult in the 20th century, but now “asshole” is a unifying term.

[quote]Ok...but my name is Michael.

Glad we settled that, Mike.

[quote]I asked you nicely to please call me Michael.

by Poppyreply 17803/15/2019

R177 Calling someone a certain name does NOT erase history. I think “queer” is stupid and offensive, but you sound like Laverne Cox saying that words are “literal violence.” No - words are not violence, and no - they don’t magically erase history.

by Poppyreply 17903/15/2019

Calling someone a certain name against their will is unjust, r179.

White people used to call Native Americans “injuns.” But Native Americans stood up & said: “Don’t call us that. We don’t like it. We are not injuns.”

Whites didn’t respond by saying, “it’s just a word. And it suits you. We don’t mean it as an insult. Don’t be such a baby, Injun. “

And if words are not violence, then why must we use female pronouns when referring to Caitlyn & Laverne Cox? Why is it literally against the law in some places to “misgender” someone?

by Poppyreply 18003/15/2019

“Those who make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

by Poppyreply 18103/15/2019

That is why I like to use the word Queer, just one word and not this rainbow of letters to deal with it.

Of course some DLers are really fuckin triggered by it.

by Poppyreply 18203/15/2019

Except it’s not outside groups calling us queer. It is LGBT people who came up with the idea to use queer as the umbrella term. We were the ones who fought to reclaim the word. Straight people didn’t reclaim it and then give it back- we took it from them.

In Academia, it was LGBT professors who reclaimed queer theory and queer cinema.

Queer is internally chosen. It’s not like injun at all. Now if native Americans want to reclaim that word and empower it today, that would be their right.

by Poppyreply 18303/15/2019

R180 Seriously - it’s illegal to “misgender” someone? Please cite how many have been arrested for it. On the other hand, if a pronoun is used in a derogatory way, persistently, that should fall under workplace harassment. The same would go for “queer” or even using a stupid nickname against the person’s wishes. A friend of mine - not trans - had a straight coworker who constantly called him “she” and “gurl” because he’s gay. The idiot was let go (not arrested), although I supposed civil charges could have been filed against the employer if they had not terminated the harasser.

by Poppyreply 18403/15/2019

R182 has just outed himself as a troll.

by Poppyreply 18503/15/2019

I just stick with LGBT. And if I'm feeling particularly foxy, I'll throw in "and fuck the TERFs!" too. No one needs those needy cunts. No one.

by Poppyreply 18603/15/2019

r56 so closed minded. But...but... fludity man. It's a spectrum

by Poppyreply 18703/15/2019

For r184: A man has described police as using George Orwell's novel 1984 as an "operating manual" after he was investigated over alleged transphobic comments posted on social media.

An officer from Humberside Police interviewed Harry Miller by telephone after the force received complaints over his posts on Twitter.

One tweet questioned whether transgender women were real women.

Mr Miller said he was "utterly shocked" to be questioned by a police constable.

'Shutting free speech' "He said even though I had committed no crime he needed to check my thinking," said Mr Miller.

"We are heading absolutely towards some Orwellian state and the police are using 1984 as an operating manual and this frightens the life out of me."

Orwell's novel, published in 1949, describes a future totalitarian state ruled by Big Brother where people are arrested for "thought crime".

Mr Miller, who is a former police officer, denied being transphobic and claimed the police were "shutting down free speech".

In a statement, Humberside Police said: "We received reports of a number of transphobic comments being posted on social media.

"We take all reports of hate related incidents seriously. We will always investigate to determine if a hate crime or incident has been committed and we will then take proportionate action."

by Poppyreply 18803/15/2019

I say gay. That includes lesbians and gay men. I'm a lesbian. I don't like the word queer, and I understand that it's because I'm over 40. Under 40 probably don't have the same experience of hearing that word hurled at us. I'm fine with queer if you want to use it but it doesn't mean gay. Half the people I know who use the word to describe themselves are straight people who want to be interesting and need a term to announce coyly that they've dabbled.

by Poppyreply 18903/15/2019

Anyone can claim to be anything. There’s no brain scan or blood test to prove that someone is gay, straight, bi, trans, etc. so how do we know who’s telling the truth? For instance, was Freddy Mercury gay or bisexual? Based on his actions, he was bisexual. Based on his identity, he was gay.

So, even if the LG splits from all the other letters, we would have to exlude those those who are not “gold star” gays and lesbians, which means we get to decide whether or not the closet case who comes out after being married to a woman for 30 years is allowed to identify as “gay,” and whether or not he is allowed to receive services from the local, newly-minted “LG Center.”

by Poppyreply 19003/15/2019

^^ Oh Dear - I meant “Freddie” and “exclude.”

by Poppyreply 19103/15/2019

[quote]Except it’s not outside groups calling us queer.

Bullshit.

HuffPo & academia are both an outside groups.

I don’t know of a single gay person who calls themselves queer.

We are gay & we are telling you NOT to call us gay. Yet you insist on imposing it on us.

Stop coercing us to accept being called a slur. If even just one gay person were offended by it, then that’s enough to stop using it.

ACT UP! reclaimed it only out of desperation to call attention to AIDS which was being ignored because it seemed to initially only affect gay men.

But now straights are using it for themselves because they’re weird or abnormal.

I’m gay. I’m not a freak. I’m not queer.

How does it feel to call me queer knowing that I don’t like it? Does it bother you at all?

Why are you so invested in calling us a slur? Why can’t you just accept that we don’t like it??? Why can’t you let it go?

by Poppyreply 19203/15/2019

Sorry.

* we are gay and we are asking you not to call us queer.

by Poppyreply 19303/15/2019

For r192

*jumps up and gives a standing ovation*

by Poppyreply 19403/15/2019

[quote]Straight people didn’t reclaim it and then give it back

They've reclaimed it as an insult then.

by Poppyreply 19503/15/2019

Just say gay.

by Poppyreply 19603/15/2019

I'm also not calling myself cis. That's a relational term, not a purely descriptive term for one thing:

"denoting or relating to a molecular structure in which two particular atoms or groups lie on the same side of a given plane in the molecule, in particular denoting an isomer in which substituents at opposite ends of a carbon–carbon double bond are on the same side of the bond."

It's a shitty word that nontrans people didn't popularize to describe me and I reject it.

I say I'm a natal gay women if pressed to come up with an alternative to cis queer. Fucking hell how did we get here.

Having said all that, I do want to use only the term anyone says is correct for them.

by Poppyreply 19703/16/2019

What’s wrong with cis? It is totally harmless.

by Poppyreply 19803/16/2019

R102, in a wacky 2019 plot twist lesbians are being banned from Pride celebrations all over the globe because they don’t believe cross-dressing fetishistic narcissistic men are actually women. Refusing to accept or utter the dictum ‘Trans Women Are Women’ is the new heresy, and dudes in Dollar Store wigs are starring as the opposition (aka the Inquisition).

by Poppyreply 19903/16/2019

[quote]and dudes in Dollar Store wigs

Look at this one, throwing shade!

by Poppyreply 20003/16/2019

R198, there's nothing wrong with it if you like the term. I don't like it. It sounds awful. It's not that I have a problem with a term to identify what cis refers to, I just don't like that word. It's not like the stronger aversion I have to "queer."

I understand why I have an aversion to queer, and how subjective it is. I remember older gay men who objected to the term "gay" and wanted to be referred to as homosexual.

by Poppyreply 20103/16/2019

One problem with ‘cis’ is that it makes women a subset of their own category. Signs at Pride celebrations and articles published describe ‘women and cis women’ as belonging to this notional super-category of ‘woman’ when only the latter meet the actual definition.

by Poppyreply 20203/16/2019

[quote]‘women and cis women’

^^^the very definition of female erasure

The same cult also believe that transwomen have vaginas & women have frontholes. And they will threaten anyone who disagrees.

by Poppyreply 20303/16/2019

I think the acronym is getting absurd too. I don't know what the answer is. But, gay seems simple enough to me. Why do we have to have all these friggin letters? Queer has a slightly geeky, aggressive, angry protest vibe to it to me. NO.

by Poppyreply 20403/16/2019

Gay is never used as an insult. There's no "stupid gay" being said. It's "stupid fag" or "stupid queer". That's "gay" is not used as widely now and basically marks an individual as the village fucking idiot.

I swear that some of you people have to be deaf.

by Poppyreply 20503/16/2019

Mostly just straight men over 50 still use “gay” to mean “weak,” “effeminite,” “stupid,” etc., but thankfully they are starting to die out. Unfortunately, it’s still prevelent among roided-up “bros” on the tail end of the dying-out generation, but be patient... most of these apes will succumb to brain aneurysms or scrotal cancer soon.

by Poppyreply 20603/16/2019

Lesbian and Gay encompasses everyone, OP.

by Poppyreply 20703/16/2019

People Who Need People

by Poppyreply 20803/16/2019

Cis sound like sissy, and no thank you. Being called a sissy is not something I want passed on to gays who are quite masculine or to others who don't like the mincing, effeminate pejorative meaning it calls to mind.

by Poppyreply 20903/16/2019

{quote]Having said all that, I do want to use only the term anyone says is correct for them.

Seen on the Internet:

Knock knock.

Who's there?

David.

What are your pronouns?

#WokeHumor

by Poppyreply 21003/16/2019

Lesbians in the US and other countries are abandoning Ye Olde Alphabet Soup due to harassment by transgenders, specifically transbians (heterosexual men with peni who are attracted to women and insist that lesbians ride their Lady Dicks):

[quote] Caught in the crossfire between trans activists and feminists over the nature of what it is to be a woman, calls for a break-up of the longstanding LGBT+ alliance back to its constituent elements are starting to emerge..

by Poppyreply 21103/16/2019

[quote]it’s still prevelent

Oh, dear!

by Poppyreply 21203/17/2019

[quote]Gay is never used as an insult.

Right. And if you didn’t know that, that’s so gay!

by Poppyreply 21303/17/2019

Sweet r211

by Poppyreply 21403/17/2019

Rose, no not Rose Nyland, but a Rose by any other name would still smell as sweet. Rose because of where we have rose from(I know it is risen but I am on a roll here give me a break).

Our theme song could be The Rose by Bette Midler.

by Poppyreply 21503/17/2019

Reddit has a brand new subReddit where people fed up with how the Transgender Lobby has taken over gay organizations and are sponsoring legislation that will actively hurt homosexuals, like the "Equality Act." Gays, lesbians and allies can post and organize on the subReddit to create organization actually focused on gay rights.

More than 8500 LGB and some Ts have signed a petition asking the UK's most prominent LGBT+ organization, Stonewall, to change its focus on transgenders and its insistence that "gender identity" be included in the legal definitions of biological "sex," because this has led to the destruction of women and gay rights. Signatories include many prominent gay men, including many of the founders of Stonewall itself.

[quote] Stonewall’s promotion of the concept of 'gender identity’, which has it that a man or woman is anyone (of either sex) who identifies as such, is also undermining the basis of lesbian, gay and bisexual identities as orientated around same-sex attraction. Lesbians in particular are coming under pressure to accept male-bodied trans women into their spaces and as sexual partners.

by Poppyreply 21603/17/2019

RAINBORES

by Poppyreply 21703/17/2019

My friend refers to himself as a homo since it refers to his sexual attraction as well as subbing for the word cis ("same"). And of course it means "man, human." I don't think it'll catch on but I'd like to see an alternative to LGBTQIA that is focused on sexuality.

by Poppyreply 218Last Monday at 4:08 AM

r218 (and your friend): Just say "gay."

by Poppyreply 219Last Monday at 4:41 AM

They added three letters to the already existing four and it seems many can’t keep up. Well, the word ‘because’ has seven letters. Are you able to remember that one at least??

by Poppyreply 220Last Monday at 6:51 AM

"Because" is a word; "LGBTQIAA2SWTAFITI?" is an acronym that is unpronounceable as a word.

by Poppyreply 221Last Monday at 7:38 AM

See R116 &

CALL IT A DAY.

by Poppyreply 222Last Monday at 10:12 AM

No, r222. I’m gay. Homosexual. Same-sex attracted.

Straights don’t call themselves the “sexual majority.”

Pulse wasn’t shot up because it catered to “sexual minorities.” It was a gay bar. And the massacre was during Gay Pride month.

Not a single tranny was killed at Pulse. Because trannies are homophobic & wouldn’t be caught dead in a gay club.

by Poppyreply 223Last Monday at 1:27 PM

R219: I do say gay. It's my friend who says homo as an act of defiance. I think we'll have to come up with a new term to mean what we want to convey.

by Poppyreply 224Last Tuesday at 3:43 AM
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