Is this a better picture of me

You're average-looking.

Great brows, nice features, trim body.

Handsome

It's not really you, but that person is damn sexy. However, anyone - ANYONE - who takes a selfie loses 90% of their attractiveness. It's repulsive to be that self obsessed. I hope you can get counseling, then maybe you'll one day be in a real relationship.

You're not uncute, but your neediness is a bit off-putting,

Has the DL turned into hotornot.com?

This is like the third post I've seen this week of someone posting a selfie and asking for comments.

Get your shit together, bitches!

It looks like you’re wearing doll clothes. Just how tiny are you?

OMG! It's my nephew - Tony!

You look like a person who is hiding someone's body parts in their refrigerator

I thought you were hot when I thought you were husky and had some meat on your bones. But now that you show that you’re just a skinny twink, not that hot.

Why did the other guy's thread get shut down?

Show dick please

Cute, petite. Now shave and smile. I like.

How do I swipe left on this thing?

She asked a comparison question : is this a better picture. So where is the comparison pic?

Do you ever smile?

It's kind of fucked up that you're posting this dude's pictures publicly. Is this the... fourth thread about him? You're probably his stalker ex.

He was smart to dump you, clearly.

It's a female who's taken LOTS of testosterone to present as a male.

FTM, fuck off.

You're average at best. And I'm being very kind and generous.

You seem small, like a copy of a grown man made at the 85% setting. Not a bad thing, just not my thing.

i guess you can come over to my house and watch Golden Girls with me in bed.

Again, dear, the Amish beard is just wrong. Add a mustache. If trimmed properly, it will also give some fullness to your upper lip, which is a bit thin and, with your expression, makes you look rather stern, which is not my thing. Looks like your hair has a bit of curl, so let it grow out a bit.

shoe size? cock size?

Lesbian here. I can still tell if a guy is attractive or not. OP is average-looking IMO. Looked better in the previous "forest" pictures (though this one is probably truest to his real appearance).

I don't think OP was flamed last time. Many people found the previous pictures attractive.

Anyway, from this picture it's all going to be about personality. Either you've got a great personality and you can get ANYONE you want (I'm being truthful here) or you're average/creepy and then it's going to be a lot more work.

Have you even tried meeting guys you might like? Or trying to get to know better a guy you've met in an informal setting? Parties, festivals, concerts?

You've got bigger problems than your looks OP. Your fucking house is apparently sliding down one hell of a steep hillside. Are you in LA? Those mudslides can be deadly. Get out!

I think we've been very civil.

Go back to Party City where you belong!

NO! YOU ARE NOT. You have a weird creepy face. You are on the ugly side of average. You have thinning hair and psychotic eyes. You wear shitty clothes. You have no muscle tone. You don’t smile in pics because you obv have jacked up Kentucky MAGA teen teeth.

But some desperate person will fuck you because you’re young. Now go the fuck away.

Thanks but i'm not into trannies.

You're SO mean, R28 - fucking hell that was unnecessary.

I agree with R12: shave and smile

Sweaters are nice but not the dorky one that you are wearing.

I'd say your above average looking and actually pretty cute. Personally, I actually like:

A) the beard B) the semi-petite and skinny stature and even C) the anti-fashion sweater

the whole combination gives you a kind of elf-ish look, which I definitely dig (...maybe I'm just remembering the woodland pics?) and I also like the fact that you are being yourself and not attempting to morph into some hideous gay stereotype.

To sum up, I'd date you.

R24 I thought the thread that got closed was the other SUPER weird older dude who was inexplicably shirtless in a public park, with the glasses and the bad haircut. Now HE seemed like a serial killer. OP is fine, like I said on the other thread, but either shave the beard or grow a mustache. The beard without a mustache does not look good. I believe your main problem is your desperation. (As others have said). Your main goal should be to try to develop confidence.

That hairline is tentative at best. This pocket queen goes bald in 5 years.

Before I gave you a 6/7. You aren't my type, but I can see how you are somebody's type.

However, you keep posting, which reveals a bit about your personality (something I knew nothing about before). As a result, I'm lowering my rating to 5 or maybe even a 4. That may sound harsh, but you would probably be exhausting, and not in the fun, sweaty way.

If only desperation and insecurities made us more attractive, what a wonderful world this would be!

You are cute but is that the right head on your body in that picture? Head looks big for your smallish sized body.

Agree with all of r28. Your ugly. You can’t dress. I live in south beach Miami. You would be a 1.234446647. All these guys saying you are attractive are 80 year oils queens in bumfuck Arkansas. You are fug. Stop posting your fugly mug

this

Your head is too big for your body or rather too big for whoever’s body you photoshopped your head on.

Nothing $75,000 worth of plastic surgery can’t fix.

You’re wearing out your welcome.

R39 Hahahahahaha!!!

To OP and R41 actually a slight nose job could potentially bump you into 7 or 8 category

Why is this happening here? I hate this.

that sweater is hideous.

If this is really you, then don't do this to yourself. If it's not you, then you should be very ashamed. Anyway, pretty cute.

The sweater is hiding the taped down breasts as well as the very thin womanly arms, this is a female person. You people are so gullible.

Nice looking guy.

Just assume anyone attacking you looks like this:

You're ok but you look like you take yourself way too seriously. Lighten up.

You are a quite attractive guy OP. But again, either shave off the beard or grow a mustache. For you to have a beard and no mustache just accentuates the thinness of your top lip. You have the perfect upper lip line for a nice mustache. I feel if you grew one you'd be an 8 to 9 out of 10.

Super average looking.

You need to lose that awful facial hair. I could see you being better looking with a rhino and a bit of filler to the upper lip. How are your teeth, OP? NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE, is good looking with bad teeth. It's just not possible, so if you're on a mission to improve your appearance and your grill is jacked up, that's your first order of business.

You also need to hit the gym.

I knew the gym was coming.

R52 wants op to be the cookie cutter American gay.

OP, you're doing this too much. You seem to have obsessive tendencies and are too susceptible to what people think of you.

Also, go work out, you'd benefit from getting a larger chest.

At this point, I'm going to go ahead an assume that anyone who places a picture of themselves on DL to solicit opinions re their physical appearance is a MASOCHIST! That will be all....

OP, stop using Datalounge for validation. That's what Instagram is for.

I agree with R47. Either this is you, and it's not going to convince you of anything to create threads like this. Or, it's not you, and you're posting someone else's pictures, which is even more lame, and, likely, criminal.

We can only respond to the pic not whether it's a good pic of you.

What are you hiding in your pic? That's what I think when I see staged selfies. As others have mentioned, no smile (jackd teeth?), heavy sweater (FTM), no mustache (can you not grow one, folks have weird facial hair patterns sometimes), clipping off part of your head (hairline?).

You have an Anabaptist Mennonite/Brethren/Amish face structure, which could be why you've chosen the facial hair pattern, or the beard pattern could make you look like them. It doesn't look bad, it's just not common outside those communities.

.......And OP, you're fine exactly the way you are - period! Stop being so focused on physical appearances. There's a lot more to a person than their looks. Even so, I'm sure there are those out there who will think you're the cat's pajamas! Don't allow the shallowness of others influence your own outlook about such things or anything else.

R52 Not everyone actually finds an artificial appearance attractive. For some, it's actually a major turn-off. Your recipe of rhino, filler, teeth, gym seeks to morph OP into an archetype/stereotype...where next, eyebrow work? That might work just fine for you (and, sure, many others, for that matter) but it's not for everyone.

r37 & R40 It's a little thing called perspective. His head is closer to the camera/mirror making it look bigger ...for an additional example, see how big his hands appear in relation to his body, same thing.

OP are you FTM?

Men (in my opinion) are not sexy unless they have some imperfections in their facial features. I find a receding hairline at the temples sexy as can be. It means a man has extra testosterone. The spider lines some men get going from the outer edges of their eyes is also sexy. A man with a thin upper lip with a nice full mustache is so hot, especially if he has a fuller lower lip.

Perfect classic beauty on a man is boring, and more often than not guys like that know they're pretty and their personalities suffer greatly because of it.

I get what you're saying R62, but let's be real, DLers love their perfected clones and will not accept anything less.

Is this guy Bulgarian?

She’s baaaaaack!

[quote] DLers love their perfected clones and will not accept anything less.

They always want what they can never have.

You are cute. Relax and enjoy it.

Why is obvious fail tranny trying to catfish us? Fuck off tranny

You're cute, but you're coming to the wrong place to get approval.

Show of hands: when’s the last time anyone here read a copy of Out Magazine?

Honey... SHAVE.

That mangy excuse for a beard makes your chin look weak.

You are much more slight and petite than I thought in your previous pictures. Are you F2M trans? Can you show your dick to prove you’re not trans?

Why should he be trans? Suddenly everyone's trans.

This thread is still going on? No wonder he keeps posting his mediocre pics.

You're gorgeous!

What do you think about Gap In-Store Playlists?

OP is not a masochist, he is a malignant narcissist and the FBI should be taking a look at his fridge.

His or whoever it is who's been posting these threads.

Also, if OP is indeed FtM... Christ... What do you want??

R76 She is a tranny and like all trannys they want whatever they cannot have, in this case gay male approval

There's more here than meets the eye.

Did you have bleached tips circa 2000?

You’re not ugly, I can tell you that much, but whether or not you’re attractive depends on more than a selfie. Even the most gorgeous person in the world can be unattractive if he doesn’t project confidence, if he lacks good body language and a sexy smile, if his voice is annoying/whiny. We can’t tell any of that from a selfie, although your need to post them says your confidence is probably low.

R80 Or if he lacks a cock and is a compulsive liar

“He”

OP, do you have a cock?

OP your constant need for attention is beyond creepy, no one who wants you can possibly contact you on DL, if these pictures are indeed you, make a profile on a dating site but please warn them of your constant need for validation.

OP must be exhausting IRL. Btw, if the person on these selfies is not OP, what they are doing here is illegal. I wonder if Muriel couldn't get these shut down. I mean, who's to say these posts aren't some creep torturing somebody else? Whatever this is, it's creepy all around.

PS. OP you need to find something to do with your life. This isn't it.

Can hormone therapy cause an FTM to lose so much hair upfront that quickly? Also you have no upper lip, OP.

Yep, classic FtM. The pubescent facial hair always gives it away.

OP is probably just another Aspie contrarian of Datalounge trolling for attention again. I doubt the person in the pics is offering up these photos and Elaborate Scenarios.

I liked this place before it became the mental asylum society won't provide anymore. 15 years ago, at least the loons here were funny.

Now they're just creepy stalkers, repeating themselves, imitating others' talking points with copycat, redundant threads and trying to trick and snare the Time of Day out of people they can't get in-person.

Exhausting.

RUMPLEFUGLY.

R88 just described his own self perfectly! haha you know it's true.

Photoshop Phuckery

Keep lying to yourself r90.

You’re a troll.

R92 felt the need to write a passion piece, a lengthy essay about the decline of discussion on this site like it's some earth shattering thing... sounds very aspie to me!

I was thinking the same, R90...and his response @ r92 confirms it

Average white guy. Why is it so important to you that we know what you look like?

R95 The context here is that OP originally started a different thread, featuring a semi-obscured selfie-pic, in which he said that a work colleague had told him he was ugly and he was therefore concerned that he would never find a guy who liked him.

OP, if this is in fact you, then yes, that is a much better photo. You’re really handsome and I’d date you (or whoever the guy is in these pics).

OP has made multiple threads. Enough is enough.

I think you look swell.

Also, the clothes and facial hair are fine. Please keep in mind, OP, that a significant proportion of Dataloungers have never been in a significant relationship and at this point are only able to become sexually aroused by looking at porn. That skews (warps) their perspective quite a lot.

OP , the fact that some on here suspect possible FTM is the most alarming signal you could receive.

When I look at OPs pic I get a FTM vibe, part of it is the baggy sweater which hides a lot and the obsession with his look.

The eyebrows say male. Thick.

Why do FTMs want gay men?

Why don't they stay unmutilated and just get straight men?

Some men are legitimately petite. I’m 5’4 with smooth skin and a receding hairline. If I posted my pic on here, I’m sure I’d be accused of being FtM as well (I’m not).

And I’d still fuck the guy in the pic, trans man or not.

The receding hairline says male.

R101, it says way more about the people posting than it does about the OP. Knowing how transphobic this forum is, I wouldn’t let it bother me at all.

OP, the bitch at work who said you were ugly is just that...a bitch. Don’t let her, or the depressive malcontents here get you down. Stop looking to others for validation. It doesn’t matter how cute you are, if you don’t have self-confidence, most decent guys are going to steer clear of you.

I'm surprised OP doesn't know anyone IRL who could settle this matter once and for all. Also, does it matter really? This is one of the weirdest/creepiest threads in a long time. For the sake of whoever is on those photos, I hope it's not somebody else posting them.

The neck beard is very off putting. If you can’t grow a real beard, shave it off.

What R76 said.

All you bitches playing along with this nonsense and making "It's probably not true, but..." posts that provide OP with the commentary he/she is looking for are just as bad as the idiots who think it's real.

If it is real, it's a fucked up narcissist who needs constant validation--which is pathetic and not sexy at all. If it isn't real, then it's some fucked up stalker/catfisher--which is potentially criminal.

Either way, stop giving this loser the responses it wants by commenting on whether the person is attractive or not.

OP isn't hot enough to be a Insta hoe R56

*an

You're cute OP. And if you're a top, you'll be the belle of the ball!

Your face is too masculine for your small body. One doesn't suit the other. Go get bigger, or get a more delicate face.

How can a FTM be a "top"?

Lovely young man. Will be going places.

This is the last place I’d beg for compliments. OP was drunk.

"Lovely young man. Will be going places."

Yeah, back to his mom's basement where he lives.

Where "he" lives.

[quote]How can a FTM be a "top"?

By spinning around in a circle, Rose.

What will the justification for the troll's next thread be?

Facts

1. Woman can have thick eyebrows.

2. Testosterone can make some women who taking it, to develop a receding hairline. Men with male pattern baldness have a higher amount of testosterone usually.

3. An FTM can be a top by being the dominant one (i.e. the "inserter"). Whether it be fingers, fist, or various synthetic devices.

4. "Transphobic" is a bullshit, made up word. De-legitimizes actual homophobia that we as gay men and lesbians will experience off and on throughout our lives despite being able to get married and being on t.v. shows and in commercials. I as a gay male, have nothing in common with someone who has gender dysphoria, and is usually caught up in the "trans hysteria". Stop latching onto our "thing". Same sex attraction is vastly different from your "confusion". Kindly fuck off OP.

But OP looks FTM!

No offense, but your picture did make me wonder if you were FTM., so I understand why some people are thinking that.

OP you belong on a FTM site not here.

Trans-hate invades many DL threads. This individual did not say he was trans. Maybe he is. Maybe he is not.

If OP is posting an anonymous pic to spur Trans attacks, shame on him. If he is genuine, he picked the wrong forum.

The obsessed TERF with her facts list claiming to be a gay male should address her own deception.

Sick to death of the trans agenda, you guys are tedious as fuck.

OP, in that photo you look eminently fuckable. If you have no tattoos, you're good to go! But if you have inked yourself, you're unthinkable, untouchable, trash.

Get some therapy r126, it's out there.

Poor little tink-tink.

This is not a man!! This is a woman!! She has posted this shit here before and I’ve had enough. I’m tired of the trannies coming here to get some type of validation to see if they can pass or not.

Notice the OP ran away and stopped responding the moment we clocked HER.

Yes. HER.

You can't change sex.

R132. Yep, I’m sick and tired of the trans trying to insert themselves with the gays.

I dealt with an FTM on words with friends of all places. She went by the name of Frank Stevenson. Tricked me initially, then I started to see who else she had as friends. All FTMs.. When confronted, she got defensive and played dumb/coy. Sick group of individuals

i hope you know how to fuck ass with your feet.

If you want to know who holds the power, just look at the people you aren't allowed to criticise.

You look like Hal Sparks brother.

Whether that is good or bad in our community now...I don't know.

FTMs can pass as men if they pose right and if the lighting is right as in OPs pic, if you meet them in person no.

Why do these bizarre creatures need constant validation that they look good?

R139 Please stop talking about Ariana Grande's brother.

He'll come back here if he thinks anyone misses him.

R!39 They have spent a ton of money on surgery and drugs to get to where they are, what they want is approval to justify the time and expense. Most are barely passable.

In the last thread OP looked kinda normal and passing as male, but in this thread they look like FTM meets serial killer meets bad photoshop.

R122 - the reason Test causes some FTM women to recede / go bald is genetic. They always had the genetic predisposition for male pattern baldness but untill they started taking T they didn’t have enough hormones on their system for that trait to express itself.

Same with beard thickness & lots of body hair - some FTM inherited the genes for them at birth some didn’t - on the exact same dose of T two different FTMs can have very different results - until the body is exposed to enough T got those Secondary Sexual Traits to express the question is basically moot.

It works the same in men - the variations in bear / baldness / body hair in most men isn’t related to them having higher or lower T than average - it’s their genetic predisposition when exposed to T.

Super high levels of T (steroids) effect muscle mass much more than overall levels of baldness or body hair because most men already have enough T for those traits to be fully expressed.

I see a lot of FTM try to grow facial hair and the best they can hope for is a neck beard. Hideous.

Yep, R138. A lot of them are almost passable in pics, but in person they're easy to clock.

Giveaways: short, female hips/thighs, wispy facial hair, and teen boy puberty voice.

They're every bit as clockable as the hulking Gamestop - type MTTs.

^It’s ma’am. Don’t you call me sir!